WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:05.839 Meaning a light man like this man letting butterfly flapping 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:07.440 his wing big down in a forest. 3 00:00:07.480 --> 00:00:10.240 Man, it gonna cause the tree fold, letting five thousand 4 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:10.880 miles away. 5 00:00:10.960 --> 00:00:18.480 Man, nobody seen, nobody else see. You don't need to 6 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:22.039 know many flu You followed another story and. 7 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:25.359 You got back to flect that man's man got back 8 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:25.800 to name. 9 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:28.239 On the panel. Man, Man, you don't don't matter. Man. 10 00:00:35.759 --> 00:00:38.000 All right, Brax and McCoy, welcome back to the Jay 11 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:38.479 Burton Show. 12 00:00:38.479 --> 00:00:42.399 How you doing that? Good dude, how are you doing well? 13 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:46.759 I think you and I might have the highest delta 14 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:49.960 between how often you and I talk on the phone 15 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:52.479 and how much you and I talk on the internet. 16 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:55.960 It's been shoot, almost two years since you and I spoke, 17 00:00:56.520 --> 00:00:58.000 you know, on a podcast or whatever. 18 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:01.039 Wow, but uh where I I have. 19 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:02.280 To talk to you at least once a week, and 20 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:04.120 it's punishing. I wouldn't wish on my worst end. 21 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:07.120 I hear that in many such cases. I hear this 22 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:10.799 all the time. Yeah, yeah, you're supposed to be out 23 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:12.480 here bear hunting for the second year in a row, 24 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:13.840 and we're not going to do it. From what I 25 00:01:13.840 --> 00:01:18.400 can tell, Yeah, I know, I'm honestly it is a 26 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:21.799 character flaw. I'm just horrible at planning things, because you 27 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:26.159 probably noticed as evidence actually by this podcast where we 28 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:29.079 planned it a week in advance, with no specific time 29 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:32.760 and no specific topic past I think like two lines 30 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:37.280 I gave you twenty seconds ago. So the kids say 31 00:01:37.319 --> 00:01:39.480 it's a skill issue. I really had nothing better than that. 32 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:43.519 I get it. I got the same problem. Well, you 33 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:48.719 got like a TBI. I was just born this way. Yeah. 34 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:51.519 Well I was like I was bad before, you know, 35 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:55.040 so it's just like increased. I was born retarded. Did 36 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.159 you know my mom had me tested when I was 37 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:59.159 a kid because she thought I was retarded. Did I 38 00:01:59.159 --> 00:01:59.920 ever tell you about that? 39 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:00.799 No? 40 00:02:00.959 --> 00:02:04.840 But I got tested too, And they're like, uh no, 41 00:02:05.040 --> 00:02:07.719 And I think, honestly, this is like the early nineties, right, 42 00:02:07.760 --> 00:02:10.319 So if it was now, they'd be like, your kid's autistic, 43 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:13.199 you know, But back then they were just like, no, 44 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:15.479 we don't we don't really know what's wrong with them. 45 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:17.599 He's not retarded. 46 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:20.879 But well I got I got tested the same thing 47 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:25.439 my parents. I was not doing well. My parents pulled 48 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:27.639 me out at homeschooled me and they're like, there's there's 49 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:30.960 something ain't right because I was like eight or nine 50 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:33.479 and just refused to learn how to read. I just 51 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.439 wouldn't do it. And so they bring me in and 52 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.159 they like gave me the like pig drink and the headphones, 53 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:42.199 the whole thing. And lady's like, all right, I don't 54 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:44.840 know how to tell you this. Your son's not autistic, 55 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:48.560 he's not retarded. He's just really stubborn. And they're like, 56 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:50.599 all right, well, I mean you know that's not a 57 00:02:50.680 --> 00:02:51.759 medical condition. 58 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:58.199 Yeah, this sounds like my middle son. Dude, he's totally 59 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:00.520 like that. Like for a while, I was even like, 60 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:02.520 is he We're gonna have to help him a little bit, 61 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:05.479 like with reading and stuff. But then he'll like blurt 62 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:09.759 out something that's like a systems level analysis. I'm like, 63 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:13.080 there's no way that you understood that by yourself, and 64 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:16.319 like are struggling with certain parts of reading. 65 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:19.479 You just don't want to do it, you know, which 66 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:22.919 I mean, honestly, there's a discussion for another day. But 67 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:27.120 in my mind, one of the real flaws of education 68 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:32.639 is that it tracks guys like that into like the 69 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:36.560 special bus, you know, and it's like, Okay, maybe we 70 00:03:36.599 --> 00:03:38.960 need to do this a different way. Whatever you are, 71 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:42.240 you're not the same as like the kid who can't 72 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:44.759 tie his shoes or like blow snot bubbles, Like those 73 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:49.719 are two both problems from a certain perspective, but completely 74 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:53.199 separate things. But Braxton, since the last time we spoke 75 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:58.919 on air, you went on Tucker, you started a conservation organization, 76 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:01.039 or at least I became a way of it. So 77 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:05.039 I'm curious before we get into this, where did this 78 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:05.639 come from? 79 00:04:05.759 --> 00:04:05.879 Right? 80 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.759 Where did this kind of passion for the outdoors, you know, originate? 81 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:11.719 And well, to be honest, man, why do you step 82 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:16.439 up and start something? I mean, my youth is where 83 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:17.519 it all really started. 84 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:21.079 Like we outside all the time, you know, with Grandpa 85 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:24.399 and just the whole family. Grew up rural and we 86 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:26.959 were constantly up on the mountain fishing or hunting or whatever. 87 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:30.560 And then I was with a different organization like ten 88 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:37.399 years ago working on this kind of stuff. Uh, dude. 89 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:40.279 And I used to tell them all. I can remember, 90 00:04:40.279 --> 00:04:44.120 like multiple conversations sometimes even in DC, talking to these 91 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:46.959 guys before we'd go, you know, sit down with senators 92 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:49.759 or whatever, and telling them like, look, man, you have 93 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:53.279 got to approach this from a right wing perspective as 94 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.000 far as like sales and transfers and this sort of 95 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:58.800 stuff goes. The left is not the one, at least 96 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.720 back then that was pushing for that. It was always 97 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:04.600 the right. So bringing these kind of lefty talking points 98 00:05:04.680 --> 00:05:08.240 is not going to sway right wing congressman at all, 99 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:12.920 because he knows instinctively that you do not represent his voters. Right. So, 100 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:15.199 in fact, one time, the head of the organization, we were 101 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:17.079 having lunch and I was like, is your goal to 102 00:05:17.160 --> 00:05:19.439 just have a liberals who hunt group? Because if that's 103 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:23.319 your goal, then you've done it. So anyway, so I 104 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:25.199 was doing that kind of stuff back then, and I 105 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:29.639 just couldn't really get my position within the organization pushed forward. 106 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.759 A couple other guys had the same complaint and left, 107 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:35.480 So then I just kind of started writing about it 108 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:38.560 and talking about everywhere I would go. And then Mike 109 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:42.959 Leathan came up and you know, with the with the 110 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:46.279 big beautiful bill stuff, and they were absolutely trying to 111 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:48.519 sell off all of the BLM. Like they'll try to 112 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:50.560 tell you they weren't doing that, and that forrest too, 113 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:52.879 Like one map they tried to say was a bullshit 114 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:56.319 map was not anyway, the main goal was selling all 115 00:05:56.360 --> 00:05:58.639 off and this was like a gateway in. So when 116 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:00.879 I was reading kind of behind the scenes and then 117 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:05.519 talking to friends, I just basically made it my job 118 00:06:05.600 --> 00:06:09.800 for two weeks to troll Mike Lee. I told my wife, 119 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:11.079 I was like, this is all I'm going to do 120 00:06:11.199 --> 00:06:12.800 for two weeks. We're just not going to let this 121 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.040 guy breathe, right, So I started doing that and then 122 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:22.399 somehow that got the attention of Sean, Ryan's former producer, 123 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:26.079 and he reached out and was like, can you be 124 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:30.519 out here in like two days? And I said yeah, 125 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.079 no matter what. And he's like, can you handle the travel? 126 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:35.360 And I said, yeah, whatever, dude, I'll be there, Like 127 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:39.519 this is a big deal for me. And so I 128 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.360 wrote kind of what the show outline would look like. 129 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:45.759 You know, Sean's a passionate outdoorsman, but this is like, 130 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:50.399 this topic is hyper niche, right, so you've got to 131 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:53.160 be into it, and it takes a long time to 132 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:56.639 understand all the different kind of political machinations behind the 133 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:58.920 scenes and all that, so you really sort of need 134 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:02.079 somebody who's been steeped in it. So I wrote the 135 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.720 show outline and sent it to him, and obviously they 136 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.319 made adjustments. They're pros and they were like, hey, we'll 137 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:11.639 see you on Thursday or whatever it was. And then 138 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:13.120 I flew out there and did that, and then that 139 00:07:13.240 --> 00:07:16.319 got the attention of Tucker and I had a friend 140 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.720 hit me up, Philip, I think it was it was Philip, 141 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.040 and he was like, you know, you have to start 142 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:26.560 an org. You have to kind of start your own organization. 143 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:29.040 I said, all right, So we set that up and 144 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.839 so that's how we got here. That's that's the rambling 145 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:38.240 version of how the organization got started. Well, I think 146 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:44.439 it the issue of a public lands and the kind 147 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.519 of like natural birthright of our country. I think it's 148 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:49.879 an interesting one because it sort of strikes at this 149 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:55.360 fault line right between To be honest, it's like what 150 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.120 are we conserving? Like what is the point of this country? 151 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:02.279 And you know they're this fight has been raging for 152 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:04.759 longer than you or I are been alive. But it's 153 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.759 sort of this perfect encapsulation of it is the point 154 00:08:07.800 --> 00:08:10.199 of America to be this sort of strip mall where 155 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:12.920 anyone can come and get rich and as long as 156 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.759 the business is doing well, you get a positive cash 157 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.680 flow and that's a good country. Or is it a 158 00:08:18.720 --> 00:08:21.959 place for a people a place for Americans to live, 159 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.279 and it really, I think, struck a chord with a 160 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:30.480 lot of people because it's there are few things as 161 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:35.200 popular as in natural parks and public land. Don't get 162 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:37.639 me wrong, there are issues you know better than I 163 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:40.919 the whole situation with water rights and grazing and all that. 164 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.159 But the number of people who say, yeah, we should 165 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:49.440 take that, sell it to property developers and move the 166 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:53.440 entire population of Mumbai there is next to zero. It's 167 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:55.279 not particularly popular. 168 00:08:55.440 --> 00:08:59.440 And especially in an era where immigration is such a 169 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:03.159 live is you and where you have people who describe 170 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:08.360 themselves as you know, hardline MAGA conservatives and seemingly they'll 171 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:10.159 say that, you know, they'll say like, oh, we've got 172 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:11.879 to you know, all the problems that you know, mass 173 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.120 migration and all the problems that have started to affect 174 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:15.720 our communities. 175 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:16.279 That's bad. 176 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:18.840 And then you lift the curtain up a little bit 177 00:09:18.840 --> 00:09:22.919 and you're like, wait a minute, Bud, you're selling that's 178 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.960 the amount of land to your bodies to provide space 179 00:09:27.039 --> 00:09:30.559 for like low rent housing. What do you think happens there? 180 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:33.159 And I think that I'll be the first to admit 181 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.720 before you started talking about it, wasn't even an issue 182 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:37.720 that I really thought about because I live in a 183 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:39.080 part of the country where there aren't a lot of 184 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.159 public land, and you know, like a lot of East 185 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:45.919 Coast guys, was shocked and amazed when I went out 186 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:49.320 west and saw like, oh, this like incredible natural beauty. 187 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.159 And then to be told by an immigration restrictionist, maga 188 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:57.000 hardliner like Lee or any others, oh wait, we're going 189 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:58.720 to sell that off because we did it with the 190 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:01.320 private market. It's okay, It's like we look, man, I 191 00:10:01.360 --> 00:10:04.360 don't care, like I don't care about that part. The 192 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:06.799 reason I care about America is because it's a home 193 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:09.000 for people like me, you know, not because it's a 194 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.120 balance sheet, says USA at the top. 195 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:15.600 I can yeah, man, that's exactly right. And a lot 196 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.360 of it is so. Mike Lee has been wanting to 197 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:20.879 do this since he got in office. In fact, you 198 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:25.200 can go back. Somebody found a campaign flyer from twenty eleven. 199 00:10:25.279 --> 00:10:27.519 I think it was the year he first was campaigning 200 00:10:27.600 --> 00:10:30.279 to for I think Congress and then Senate is how 201 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:31.960 he did it. But he might want straightened the Senate 202 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:35.320 either way. Clear back on the campaign flyer, he's talking 203 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:37.720 about this and if you look at like his his 204 00:10:38.279 --> 00:10:42.120 prior work, he worked as a litigator for or in 205 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:47.720 house council rather for energy solutions, So it really it's 206 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:49.759 kind of a you don't have to scratch your head 207 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:52.240 to figure out why he even ran for office to 208 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:55.639 begin with, right, So in some ways this is his 209 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:59.720 main things and as far as the immigration restriction is part. 210 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:05.840 This is my view of politics is that different. Everyone 211 00:11:05.960 --> 00:11:09.240 is representing an interest of some kind, and a lot 212 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:13.120 of the reason that Republicans will look as if they're 213 00:11:13.159 --> 00:11:17.480 like flip floppy or wishy washy on stuff is they're 214 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:22.000 reading the tea leaves of like political discourse, and then 215 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:25.120 they'll try to kind of chameleon into one little part 216 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:27.279 of it in order to look a certain way, but 217 00:11:27.320 --> 00:11:30.840 they didn't actually change their fundamental purpose for being there. 218 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.799 Look at like Ted Cruz with Zionism, Mike Lee with 219 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:36.600 public land. You see this kind of pattern emerge, and 220 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:40.120 they'll pretend to be super based on something, but really 221 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:43.720 it's just in furtherance of whatever reason they were elected 222 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.480 to begin with. So that's something to all in my 223 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.919 view to bear in mind. When you're watching these people, 224 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:53.519 they're they're not as some people say, oh, they just 225 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:58.399 you know, this guy will change his position sort of 226 00:11:58.559 --> 00:12:01.080 at a whim, you know, if that's what people want. 227 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:04.840 It's like, yes, so now why is he there? Right? 228 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.279 You have to ask the next question, and most people 229 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:12.679 don't do that. And to your other point, as far 230 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:14.960 as like my GDP and line go up and all 231 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:19.919 this stuff, libertarianism sort of libertarian economic theory kind of 232 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:25.600 infected all of right wing populist politics through I don't know, 233 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:28.639 I guess I'm not a person who should tell you 234 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.000 when it started. But for most of my life this 235 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:35.080 was like the definitional conservative was the guy who says 236 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:39.559 less government, less taxes, all this stuff that doesn't address 237 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.559 the main question like what are you conserving if you're 238 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:48.919 a conservative? So that sort of ethos, in my view, 239 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:50.519 has got to go. And it's not to say it's 240 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.600 like a wrong economic theory. It's just got a bad 241 00:12:53.639 --> 00:12:56.399 starting point. So like, let's go back to the starting 242 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:59.679 point and then if you want to overlay this economic 243 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:01.639 theory back in and see how it works out, and 244 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:04.080 then maybe we can do that. But the starting point 245 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:08.279 should be, uh, is this good for American families? Because 246 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:11.960 that's what I'm trying to conserve is that people Well, 247 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.039 I don't know if you saw this, Braxton, but there's 248 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:17.519 been a viral post going around Twitter of this guy 249 00:13:17.600 --> 00:13:22.879 who basically, you know, made his son, you know, sell 250 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:25.799 like pistained carpets so that he could buy his first 251 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:29.159 car when he turned sixteen. And okay, fair enough, like 252 00:13:29.360 --> 00:13:31.879 I worked crappy jobs by my first car. Whatever. 253 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:35.200 But the objectionable part, at least in my mind, is 254 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:38.120 he gave him a loan for like fifteen hundred bucks, 255 00:13:38.559 --> 00:13:41.080 but his loan to his dad is like twenty five percent. 256 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:44.080 It's like the mostly regius interests. Yeah, and so people 257 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:46.679 are you know, doing the normal reactions like, oh, this 258 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.200 is everything wrong. But I think it's kind of interesting 259 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:53.759 because I think that a lot of a lot of 260 00:13:53.799 --> 00:13:59.840 conservatives rightly have this understanding that like, you know, you've 261 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:02.679 got to you've got to practice tough love, and you've 262 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:04.240 got to raise your kids in such a way that 263 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:06.960 they understand, you know, they can't depend on hand numps, 264 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:09.879 which I understand that's a laudable goal. And you know, 265 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.720 I'm sure we've all seen examples of you know, kids 266 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.080 who are given way too much and they become monsters 267 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:18.200 as an adult. And so all right, fair enough, we're 268 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:22.279 seeing that instinct to leave something to your children, a 269 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:24.799 less right, something that will prepare them for the world 270 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:27.039 after you're gone. And I think that's an instinct that 271 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:28.399 conservatives naturally have. 272 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:29.080 They get that. 273 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:33.039 But on the other end, there is a part that 274 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:36.000 there are assets that are not yours to dispose of. 275 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:38.559 You know, you own them now, but it's like the 276 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:42.720 family farm. You know, it's something to be passed through generations. 277 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:44.879 And you know, I think of you know, one of 278 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.960 my best friends, his family farm is deeded to them 279 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.639 by the king, right, that's how long it's been there, 280 00:14:51.440 --> 00:14:54.799 and you know, every subsequent generation has you know, maybe 281 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:57.519 they managed it well, maybe they managed it poorly, but 282 00:14:57.559 --> 00:15:01.320 it was never something for someone to burn. And now 283 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:03.480 it's something that sort of serves as you know, an 284 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.320 economic engine, a retirement plan for you know, their eighty 285 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:10.919 five year old grandfather. And so that's something that yeah, sure, 286 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.799 any one person at a point in time could have 287 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.679 cashed in their chips, right, they could have sold they 288 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:24.320 could have individually made their lives better. And conservatives, right wingers, libertarians, 289 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:27.519 that whole side of things really like property rights, and 290 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:31.960 I understand why right, because the government, the lefties whatever, 291 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:34.679 they're attacking that, you know, they want you to own 292 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.519 nothing and be happy quote unquote, But like the correct 293 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:41.159 understanding of property is like, yeah, it is yours, you 294 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:44.799 own it, but it's not yours in the sense that 295 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:47.000 it is right for you to do whatever you want 296 00:15:47.039 --> 00:15:50.559 with it. Right, just as you have an obligation or 297 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.879 you were given something by those people before you, you 298 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:56.080 have an obligation to those people who come after you. 299 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:59.720 That's the conservation. You're sort of conserving, the like civil 300 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:03.120 as a seed corn and the idea that like, well 301 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:05.440 it says my name on the deed, so I can 302 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:08.320 burn everything down so that I can go out on 303 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:09.840 a cruise ship or whatever. 304 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:10.879 It's. 305 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:16.480 It's it's like penny wise and pound foolish. And perhaps 306 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:21.360 the worst example of this is George Bagbee, who's routinely 307 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:24.200 on my show has made no secret about the fact 308 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:26.799 that he's worked on cruise ships. Right, it's how he, 309 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:30.919 you know, funds his life. And here's this little telegram 310 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:34.200 channel maybe six hundred people in it, or he'll leave 311 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:38.120 either these texts or voice messages of talking to people 312 00:16:38.159 --> 00:16:40.399 on cruise ships. You know, after the fact like, oh, 313 00:16:40.399 --> 00:16:43.559 this is the conversation I had. Man, let me tell you, 314 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:46.279 it's the most black billing thing you'll ever listen to 315 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:48.960 the world, because it'll be people like sitting around joking 316 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.399 about like, yeah, this, I'm on my kid's college fund 317 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.039 right now. You know this, twenty thousand dollars voat trip 318 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:57.480 My kids are going to be working for every set 319 00:16:58.080 --> 00:17:00.759 And look like, you know what, I don't grudge anyone 320 00:17:00.799 --> 00:17:04.119 enjoying their retirement, right, but taking that and sort of 321 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:07.200 turning that into a joke and like laughing about it 322 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.640 that I am going to, you know, take everything with me. 323 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:15.359 Obviously that's not literally what you know, Mike Lee or 324 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:17.799 any of these guys are saying. But it's that same thing, 325 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:22.839 right of like effectively burning this asset and for what 326 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:26.559 to make up a fraction of the debt that we're 327 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:29.759 never going to pay back anyway, to line your pockets 328 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:33.319 in your friend's pockets. It's like, one that is far 329 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:38.359 from a conservative impulse. And two, once it's gone, it's gone. 330 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:41.839 You can't sell the farm twice. You can't you sell 331 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:46.799 more of this effectively irreparable or irreparably irreplaceable kind of 332 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:50.119 natural beauty and I don't know, man, it's it's an 333 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:51.640 attitude that really bothers me. 334 00:17:53.559 --> 00:17:55.480 Well I would, uh, I would take it a step 335 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:59.400 further and say that it's it's fundamentally an anti American. 336 00:18:00.279 --> 00:18:02.880 Like if you if you go back all the way 337 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:06.160 to like John Smith, you know, he gets done killing 338 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.880 Turks and being a slave and all this stuff and 339 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:11.200 being a pirate and all this other cool shit, and 340 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:16.920 then he comes over to America and that original Jamestown colony. 341 00:18:16.960 --> 00:18:18.799 I know, there were a couple other attempts, but the 342 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.680 Jamestown Colony, the intent was exploitative. They had been seeing, 343 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:25.960 you know, the Spanish bringing back hordes of gold, and 344 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.559 they were like, well, I'm gonna go get mine, right, 345 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:33.240 So it was a purely profit driven venture to begin with. 346 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:37.319 But the real turn happens when John Smith realizes that 347 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:42.079 the land is actually what's valuable, like the place. So 348 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:46.759 at the very core route beginning of America is this 349 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:49.599 idea that the dirt is what makes this place what 350 00:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.319 it is, you know, or in terms of like value. 351 00:18:53.000 --> 00:18:57.400 So to ignore that and be like, well, whatever, how 352 00:18:57.400 --> 00:18:59.599 about some fiat for the you know what I mean, 353 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:01.519 I'm gonna I'm going to get rid of this thing 354 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:07.599 that actually was the you know, the foundation of what 355 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:10.440 the country became. I'm going to get rid of that 356 00:19:10.960 --> 00:19:14.799 for some printed you know money, like what what are 357 00:19:14.799 --> 00:19:18.519 we even doing here? Like? You know, So I would 358 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:22.200 argue that America as an idea begins with John Smith. 359 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:25.119 Many people make that argument, but it's the land itself. 360 00:19:25.440 --> 00:19:29.480 So an American is something tied to this idea of 361 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:31.400 an expanse from the very start. 362 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:35.720 So I'm going to do something. I realize you're Orthodox, 363 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:39.119 so I might scare you here by reading in English 364 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:44.680 from the script, but I've been going through with a group, 365 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:50.359 going through Ecclesiastes along with a great book by Peter Creeft, 366 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:53.480 Three Philosophies of Life. Creeft is Catholic. I am not, 367 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:57.519 but he's an exceptional writer. And so this section just 368 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:01.240 reminded me of that. This is from ecclesiastic If you 369 00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:03.759 see the oppression of the poor and the violent perversion 370 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:06.680 of justice and righteousness in the province, do not marvel 371 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:10.279 at this matter or high official for the high official 372 00:20:10.359 --> 00:20:14.079 watches over high official and higher officials over them. Most 373 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:17.119 interesting part, the last one, moreover, the profit of the 374 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:19.640 land is for all, even the king is served from 375 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:23.960 the field. And that idea, right that the land is 376 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:26.559 the nation that is where the prosperity sort of flows 377 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:30.000 up from, I think is one that has really been 378 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.599 we've really moved away from. You know, you can talk 379 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:36.799 to you know, listen to my buddy, you know, Peruvian Bull, 380 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:39.799 who's been on the internet forever talking about this, that 381 00:20:40.480 --> 00:20:45.160 there's sort of a maximum stable amount of your economy 382 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:49.039 that can come from finance, usury, right, moving money around. 383 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:51.960 I guess a useful thing. You know, it's helpful to 384 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:54.000 be able to get loans so you can do things. 385 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:57.920 I mean, like, let's be honest, the settlement of America 386 00:20:58.240 --> 00:21:01.039 was you know, in certain places done on right. You know, 387 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:02.799 you get a loan and then when you set up 388 00:21:02.839 --> 00:21:05.119 your farm you can pay it back. Right, we understand that. 389 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:09.240 But at the same time, the maximum number historically is 390 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.079 something like you know, five to twelve percent. 391 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:12.960 Like that's stable. 392 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:15.680 But as it gets bigger and bigger and bigger, you 393 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:18.440 start to get these weird per person sentives because you 394 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:22.359 make money not by doing anything providing a service, per se, 395 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:27.039 but by shifting things around on a spreadsheet. And I 396 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:30.480 think that you know, that instinct to basically take a 397 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:35.119 physical asset and reduce it into kind of fungible money, 398 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:37.839 right tokens on a balance sheet. 399 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:39.599 It really is. 400 00:21:40.960 --> 00:21:44.000 You were you were pulling something that is real that 401 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:47.000