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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow sikos. I am joined by Andrew

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Jay Claudio from Knick's Film School. Once again. It has

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been many minutes since we last talked. I guess you

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can guess what we're gonna talk about, though, it'll be

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the New York Knicks. Follow Andrew on Twitter as on Twitter,

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excuse me as always at Andrew J. Claudio underscore. If

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you can't see the underscore on the screen on YouTube,

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it is there, so when you go to follow him

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on Twitter or if you actually call it x Y,

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but also just go follow him there. G Mac, how

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are you doing?

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Speaker 2: What's cracking? Mister Fravalley. It's been a long time since

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I've been with you in podform? You thermonuclear AFR?

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Speaker 1: What does af stand for? Are you able to tell me?

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Is it?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Andrew Friedman, the general manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers, Yeah, Andrew,

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Andrew's a fool. It's like a shortened A at the end.

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That's probably what people say when they hear my takes.

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Speaker 1: I've you know, I've never asked this because I've always

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assumed I wasn't on I wasn't listening to the episode

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or episodes plural that this was the genesis of and

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I've always just assumed I know what GMAC actually stands for.

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Speaker 2: But so I go give you the backstory. So to

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be clear, it's gmac, like it's the actual four letters.

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A lot of people have made it g mac.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to continue to call it gmac.

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Speaker 2: G mac. That's fine, that's fine. It's J Mack and

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G mac over at Knicks Film School. Uh So, two

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years ago during the off season, when it was very

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clear that a lot of the things happening at Nick's

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Film School were under my supervision, under my direction, we

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have a we do our super chats, and a longtime

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patron and contributor to Nick's Film School and supporter, uh

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named Robert. Of course it's Robert Cross just started referring

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to me as general manager Andrew Claudio.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I got by guessing what it stood for.

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I just don't pronounce it the correct.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, So he just started calling me gmac and

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like in super chats, and who would ask for like

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the most ridiculous gmac? Can we get a party bust

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for the playoff run this year? Gmac? Can we uh

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send the in? Can we do a Knicks Film School

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road trip out to Oregon to visit me gmac this

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and that, and I was like, you're ridiculous, but this

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name is gonna stick and lo and behold two years later,

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I remain a version of gmac or gmac.

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Speaker 1: Now, how do you know did he separate it differently

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when he was typing? How do you know it's gmac

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and didn't mean to be gmac?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Did he space it out like GM space ac? Like

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how do we know you? Like a blink one eighty

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two situation where some people have actually mostly internationally, will

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pronounce it blink one eight to two.

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Speaker 2: Really, Oh yeah, I didn't know that. That's amazing. And

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he's called me gmac on our town halls before. We

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do a town hall every month for our patrons. So

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I just I went with his propost.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to the NIXT Film School Patreon think that will

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be in the podcast and YouTube description much appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Uh on on Patreon he uh pronounced it that way,

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and yeah, just gmac it became and it has stuck since. Uh,

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mister Favalley, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Glad I at least knew what it stood for. Without

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knowing what it stood for, is I don't remember Jenny's.

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I am very familiar with Robert Cross, who I assume

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has to be based off the number of super chats

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he sends you guys whenever I'm chopping in for a

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postgame or an emergency pod has to spend the most

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money of anyone of any Patreon member or just Nick's

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film school listener.

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Speaker 2: Low key and investor in Knicks films. Yeah, it's much appreciated.

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Speaker 1: Robert. If you're listening, you should probably be asking for

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equity stakes at.

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Speaker 2: This point, Valley, what are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I did not bring you on to just ask you

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about your title abbreviations. I wanted to bring you on

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to talk about the Knicks off season in general. This

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is not their look ahead, even though they're probably mostly

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done with their business. The precious Totua resigning felt like, okay,

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like this is the they'll settle into here and this

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is the roster. Let's see what it looks like. But

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before we get into each individual move, would you like

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to apologize to me for informing myself and my listeners

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on multiple occasions that the Nets would not trade with

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CaAl Bridges to the Knicks, or do you want to

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wait to warn persons you could properly do it.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what I'd have to do in person.

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Speaker 1: I'm a hugger, like I'll lug it out.

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Speaker 2: I'll hug it out. As an apology, I I'll say this,

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I apologize. And it's been the consistent thing since that

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because I told not just you, but just about anybody

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that suggested, Michael Bridges, it's just not happening. And it

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was never a basketball thing. It was always like these

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teams don't make trades, The Mets and Yankees don't really

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make trades. The Rangers and Islanders like never made trades.

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us were saying it. Like Fred Katz had a mailbag

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on his podcasts and shoot last month or two months ago,

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and someone asked like, why would the Knickson Neetts never

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make a trade? Like can you can you spell it

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out why this doesn't happen? And he said it was

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an ego thing that if you're trading with your crosstown rival,

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there's a risk to it because if that succeeds and

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you don't. It hits your fan base even harder because

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you have to live with every day what the other

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side of the trade is. And so I just thought

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it was never gonna happen. These teams hadn't made a

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trade since Michael Jordan was in high school, and for

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them to make this version of a trade, this level

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of a trade, and I don't know if you said this,

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I will give you the kudos. But like Julius, Randall

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also doesn't leave the team, So they were able to

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get McHale without trading Randall. It's it's mind blowing to me.

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So I apologize I was wrong. I've had to eat

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a lot of crow over the last three weeks in

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this new world of the Nixon Nets making trades and

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lo and behold, it's led to, in my opinion, and

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improved Nick's roster and what I'm excited to talk about

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and cover this season.

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Speaker 1: What anonymous scout in the Eastern Conference apparently disagrees. But

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honest now I almost feel bad. I wasn't expecting an

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actual apology, but now you're making me feel bad over

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here for a little bit. I'm trying to do. I

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always just framed it as the Nixon Nets were never

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actual rivals, and the closest they came to was when

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Kevin Durant signed with them instead of the Knicks. And

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or what Fred Katz is saying about the ego element

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of it, but I just couldn't buy into And I

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guess that's more of a criticis of the Nets, where

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it's even when they were good, it was just still

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a Knick town. I do find it easier though, if

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you are crosstown rivals to make a trade like this,

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where you're on such polar opposite ends of the spectrum,

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where the Nets intend to be deliberately bad for the

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next three to five years and the Knicks are trying

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to contend for a title in the next three to

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five years. It's almost like and have a justifiable reason

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to think that they will even if things go wrong

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there'll be trolls. But it almost feels like the two

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different extremes kind of contribute to making it possible in

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing that's interesting also is the player you're

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trading out like Kevin Durant was the last time I

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think I had this conversation with people like Knicks fans

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were seeing what was going on in Brooklyn when he

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first asked for a trade and said, like, what about

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the Knicks, Like we've been waiting for the blockbuster trade

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to happen. Why not Kevin Durant And I thought he

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meant too much to that franchise to then suddenly give

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the Knicks a championship window that I didn't think that

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that front office would want to let that happen. To

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your point, not only is it that the Nets are

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gonna be very hard in the in the Cooper Flag

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sweet Steaks next season, the white Flag for Cooper flag.

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Speaker 1: I've tried to get in the Pooper for Cooper going.

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Speaker 2: Cooper, That's a good one. I like the white Flag

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sweep Steaks, I think is the better one for me.

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feeling with a Nets fan. There's like no good relationship

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from the few Nets all fourteen Nets fans that exist,

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all of them hate mckel Bridges. So I thought the

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fact that they're able to get a male content in

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a way out and kick off a rebuild earlyly kickstar

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to accomplish both. You're able to take out like, oh fine,

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let him do good with the Knicks, like we're trying

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to Our franchise is going a different way, and our

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fan base didn't really like Michel Bridges, so it worked

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Speaker 1: So looking at I won't even say just their off

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season and some but because we talked very briefly before

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we got on about just how it went from the Knicks. No,

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I wouldn't say pearl clutching their youth, but to valuing

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their youth or or holding onto them, and then they

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just trade all of them within the same like six

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month period or whatever. It ends up going factory in

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that to where you are now after the they are

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now with the off season whirlwind, getting Mchael Bridges, losing Isaiah,

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losing Isaiah Hartenstein, the jail in brunts an extension, what like,

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what are you how are you feeling about this team

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just coming out of this. I mean we're still in

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the off season, but coming out of this whirlwind transaction

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period for them.

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Speaker 2: I'm the highest I've ever been on them since the nineties,

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and that includes like the one mellow year where I

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was pretty high on them. It's higher than last year

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after the Og trade. Obviously, it becomes a perfect offseason,

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regardless of what an anonymous scout that's irrelevant to me says.

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Speaker 1: Riley identified as a scout.

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Speaker 2: I know, right, yeah, so, but anonymously is the point.

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of course yea. So no matter what a chicken shit

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scout is going to say off the record, I don't

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necessarily need to care what she said because the Knicks

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have arguably the best wing tandem in the NBA. They

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have the best, I think, set of personnel to guard

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the defending champs. There was a version of this team

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in January that I wanted to see what it looked

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like against the current NBA champs, and look, if deployed correctly,

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I think they can bring a style of basketball that

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the Warriors brought into effect. With Ognobi potentially playing some

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like guarding the five with Randall being your hub on

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the offensive end. I just think they have a chance

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to be really good. They they're the Deuce McBride, de Vincenzo,

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Josh Hart We're all like high minutes starter in the

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playoffs and the end of the regular season last year,

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and they're your bench at the moment. So I'm the

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highest I've been in a long time. And the Hartenstein,

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like God bless him, the Nick signed him to too

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good a deal that he ended up becoming a thirty

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million dollars player two years later, So like, this is

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just a rare thing that happens. But even with losing him,

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it went from being a perfect offseason too, in my opinion,

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a great offseason.

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Speaker 1: I think the answer to even that question just lies

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in what we're debating about the Knicks, and it's are

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they just the second best team in the East behind Boston?

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Where like that's it's almost surreal that even three years

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ago that wasn't something that was on anyone's radar, And

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now we're splitting hairs over We'll like, well, is it

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the Sixers? Could it be you know, the magic gonna

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like wedge their way in there? Is it Cleveland? If

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everything hits right? So it's like the Knicks, I feel like,

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are probably still I think Philly is the team that

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a Knicks fan, but just based off covering the NBA

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for the past fifteen years, the Knicks have not been

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in that discussion since I've started covering the league. There

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was that year with mellow at twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,

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but like it was a year, it wasn't. This is

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just like they've now incrementally built something to where they're

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really good. And I would say the prevailing assumption is

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that they are the second best, no worse than the

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third best team in the East, and that there's Philly, Milwaukee,

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there's Cleveland, but that the Knicks based off what they

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did last year with a less talented set of personnel.

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Even when you're factoring in Isaiah Hartenstein's departure, it feels

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like they have a unique claim to that number two spot.

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Speaker 2: You add in that last year they went into the

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season with a lot of questions, what is Julius Randall

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post injury? Can they make year four of RJ Barry

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sustainable off his playoff success and obviously we got the

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answer there this what's up with Emanuel Quickly's extension. There

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was like so many questions about that version of the team,

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and then January happened and they went twelve and two

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with Anonobi and brunts In and Randall. Then Randal gets

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hurt and then Anonobi goes down the following day with

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a mystery elbow injury that turned out to be a surgery,

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and we never got to see that team whole. They're

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now going into next season with a ton of depth

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and a ton of talent, and this maybe from day

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one the version of the team that we wanted to be.

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So I'm with you that having them in the pole

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position for second or third or I'll respect Milwaukee because

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I think we all kind of forgot that Milwaukee has

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like really good basketball players on it. But like they're

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in the top four conversation, I don't know if their

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floor has been that high outside of that one mellow season.

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And like to your point, like there's a Kamelo Anthony

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shoulder overm excuse me, Kamal Anthony shoulder behind me. It's

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like very injured. I tore it because shout out to

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his torn labor that ruined the twenty thirteen playoffs. But

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there's a Carmelo Anthony Jersey over my right shoulder at

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the moment, so obviously I have an affection and appreciation

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for that season. Jason Kidd was a starting two guard

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on that team. Kenyan Martin was the big mid season pickup.

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Both of them were out of the league within the

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next two years. That did not.

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Speaker 1: Lend it.

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Speaker 2: That's the that's the bone spurs the Kurt Thomas here,

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not Joe him, No, Rashid Wallace was on the bench

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of that team that was a much older team where

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the run did not seem like it was gonna be sustainable.

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And this team, the oldest player on the on the

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roster is Julius Randall. So they've now created something that

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seems like we're gonna get a couple of cracks at

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this that. I don't think Knicks fans have been able

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to have that feeling since the nineties.

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Speaker 1: What do you make And I'm not going to get

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into I did justify it. I think the pick cost

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it was a lot for Michal Bridges. But the two

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things that stood out to me is one, you were

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always going to have to give up a lot to

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get mckel bridges out of Brooklyn. And two, even if

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you knew that they were going to get their own

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picks back from Houston. When you're not sending back actual

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players that the other team wants, the pick equity is

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going to be inflated. However, when I was coming up

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with mcal bridges trades, I too did not send Julius

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Random the nets. I was told by irate Knicks fans

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that I was having the Knicks give up too much

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for mcale Bridges, only to then see the Knicks give

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up more to get McHale Bridges, and everyone was on

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board with it. That's not toa troll. That's the way

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fake trades are working. I'm actually not bitter about that.

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What do you make of the opportunity cost in terms

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of assets for mcal bridges.

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Speaker 2: It's it's an overpay. Like I'm very okay saying that

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they overpaid in picks for mckel Bridges, but they underpaid

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and picks for og and Andobi in my opinion, so

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I don't I know, I shouldn't like in a vacuum,

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it's an overpay to give five picks for and Protected

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and this Milwaukee pick that's gonna convert next year for

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mckel bridges. Like I concede that I combine the two

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and if you say, okay, they traded RJ. Barrett and

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Emmanuel quickly and four first and the Milwaukee pick for

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Ananobi and mckel Bridges, I think that is the perspective

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I've had in justifying an overpay for mckel Bridges, because

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now your team's complete. Now you have the fully realized

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version of this roster that you can now take into

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hopefully round three and I'll just say it, round four

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of the playoffs and make deep playoff runs and look

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the none x's and oh's salary cap part of this

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that just plat out matters to the culture that the

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Knicks are building. The man went to Villanova with three

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important Knicks players, and they now have the final Infinity

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stone from that team on the roster. So it just

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it now completes the puzzle that it's not even necessarily

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the opportunity cost of how good the team can be.

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It's how much fun they're gonna have and how much

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fun they're gonna be to root for. That I think

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justifies the I mean just all in move that the

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team made.

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Speaker 1: I almost wondered too how much Jalen Brunson's soon to

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be extension at the time factored into I'm not saying

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he wouldn't have signed that deal if they don't go

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out and get Mchaal Bridges, but if that was something

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that pushed him over the edge, it makes it to

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me more worth it because of how it's set up

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your team to be sustained financially moving forward beyond just

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the next one or two.

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Speaker 2: Years, right right, And I think the thing I'd like

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to know that the Knicks will never never tell me, obviously,

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but they should, but they should listen. Next time I

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run into Dolan, I'll make sure I ask him that

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you know the Jim's.

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Speaker 1: Aren't you like? Best buzz with Rick Brunson now at

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this point, after.

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Speaker 2: Something stin that one fist bump, that's all it mattered,

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is like gave for those who don't know. When the

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Jalen brought to the extension was announced, I was sitting

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in the Lobby Cafe Lobby bar of the Encore Hotel

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in Las Vegas, where the nixt Summer League team was staying.

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So Rick Brunson was walking around on a phone on

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his cell phone when the extension was announced, and I

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just like being the who I was, I was getting

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ready for us to have an emergency live stream from

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said laptop that I was on. I just went over

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to Rick and said, your son is our hero. And

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I gave him a fist bump and I said congratulations,

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and he said thanks and then went back to his

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fake phone call. All that to say, I would actually

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be curious if the Knicks did that, like went all

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in and we're like, all right, Jalen, like you see

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how all in we are? How all in are you?

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Or if Jalen went to them and said, I'll sign

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this extension if you go all in for macal Like,

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I wonder what came first, and if it matters what

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came first, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would have to think. Maybe it wasn't

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make or break in that regard, but it definitely would be.

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You would have to think it's a factor. And the

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other thing that could be a factor here is does

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it make McHale bridges next summer more likely to extend

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off of his current number rather than waiting to hit

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free agency where I don't know at that point if

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he would get the max. But my guess is he

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would get more than what one hundred and forty percent

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of his salary is going to be off that extension.

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So and if that's part of it too, it makes

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the cost even more justifiable. But I think even in

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the vacuum, just because you weren't giving up, like forget

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about the net situation, they ended up getting their own

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picks back. So maybe if they make that move independent

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of mcale bridges. They opened the bidding anyway, you weren't

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sending any blue chip prospects out, and the way you

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framed it, I've not framed it that way at all.

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If you want to look at it all in a

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vacuum of what they gave up, you know, you could

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factor in what they also have to give up to

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get boil and mcdonovitch, because then he gets sent down

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the deal. It's still you know, Quentin Grins just folded

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into there, and that second round pick still pretty I

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would think of justifiable costs for where the Knicks are

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in the competitive landscape right now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it was you or if it

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was somebody else that I was talking to you about

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this the day of the trade deadline when the Knicks

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got Alec Burks and Boyon for just grimes and fourty

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years contract and like a late second right and I

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forget who it was that pointed out. So the Knicks

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just made two in season trades without giving up a

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first round pick. Like they were able to improve the

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roster in both senses without trading any future first round assets.

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So they still have their cupboard completely stocked if they

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want to make some type of all in move now.

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I think the curious thing for a lot of us,

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which is why the Michael Bridges trade was so shocking,

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is that, you know, you build up an expectation that, like,

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the Knicks are eventually going to go go all in

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for one of the big guys, like it's gonna be honest,

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it's gonna be Kevin Durant, it's gonna be h Embiid.

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Obviously it was like the big name, and then you

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spend six games slandering his name in a playoff series.

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I don't think the fan base would have been happy

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to root for Joel Embiid anymore. But the point is,

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like mckel Bridges is the name I think we all

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had in mind, and yet we sit here on the

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other side of the trade, and we're like, so the

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move that they the all in move that they eventually

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made was for Anonobi and Michel Bridges, and I think

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their championship equity he got significantly higher. Like like, I can't,

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I can't complain that the fact that they didn't get

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an MVP candidate, And so where this relates to Jalen Brunson,

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him becoming an MVP candidate also helped in the calculation.

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And the fact he's gonna be making less than twenty

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percent of the salary cap for the next three years

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is it is pretty incredible.

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Speaker 1: I would feel more uncomfortable about the cost they paid

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to not get someone who's like mkel Bridge is not

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going to make an All NBA team. That would be

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it's not outside the realm of possibility, but it's most

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likely not going to happen. I think it's fair to

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say they gave up all this for someone who's not

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going to do that. You have to point to the alternative.

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And just like even if you wanted Joelle Embiid, I

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still think that would have been a disaster. Joean Bee's

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not an option, Giannis isn't an option. Luka Doncics isn't

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an option. And they'd been sitting on some of these

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assets for so long that some of the assets they

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already kind of started, like R. J. Barrett was on

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his next contract and Manuel quickly was extension eligible. You

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can't sit on these theoretical trade pieces for too long

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because you either get locked into contracts that become less

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movable and less valuable, or you trade them. In this scenario,

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for okay, maybe Knicks fans and NBA fans in general

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thought they had bigger fish in their sites. What was

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who did they pass on the aside from Donovan Mitchell,

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who this Jalen Brunson assent never happens if they make

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the Donovan Mitchell trade. So like, I didn't see anyone

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who's criticized the trade or anyone who thinks that they

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somehow got worse. Are you related, Tyza Hartenstein, or point

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me to like point me to who they passed on

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throughout all this. And I'm not saying they had to

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make the move. I think by getting out of NOBE,

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they could have justified we're gonna sit on the picks

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for another year. They could have done that, like they

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they moved over all their young players already, So this

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wasn't an issue of worrying about extensions or next deals now,

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but you were thinking about Brunson's next deal, Randall's next deal,

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like it would have gotten financially harder maybe to have

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matched salary without sending out one of the Villanova guys too,

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like you Boyan was expiring. So that's the thing that

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I haven't seen a ton of criticism of the Mchal

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Bridges trade, but everyone's like, man, the Knicks gave up

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so much for this player, and it's who who is

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the alternative? Like, who is the guy that was like

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shake Gilliers down? Zander not gonna be like you can

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go through the list of the all NBA players, like, no,

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the breaking up Jahn Bradham, Jason Tatum was never a

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thing and it's certainly not a thing now. So that's

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the I can't wrap my head around that slant of

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the trade where yes, they gave up a lot, but

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would you would you have criticized them for them not

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making a move and just staying where they are because

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there there was no If it wasn't Mikail Bridges, it

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00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,599
was nobody.

476
00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'd look the other name that has been

477
00:24:02,039 --> 00:24:05,519
mentioned was Devin Booker, and I think that's like two

478
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:10,359
off seasons away, and I wasn't I agree with the

479
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,720
Knicks in this window that they have. I think that's

480
00:24:13,759 --> 00:24:17,240
I think the best thing about at least from my

481
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,720
perspective as a fan and whatever we do cover in

482
00:24:19,759 --> 00:24:24,599
the team, right, like they assessed this season and realize

483
00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:27,960
their windows now. And if the all in move this

484
00:24:28,039 --> 00:24:31,880
offseason was to go get Michel Bridges about to enter

485
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,440
his prime, put him in arguably the best situation possible

486
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,480
to succeed where he isn't the primary guy like he

487
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:40,559
was in Brooklyn, can go back to being the second

488
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,359
or third guy like he was in Phoenix. Like you're

489
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,640
putting him next to another stud wing defender to create

490
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:53,000
something pretty elite with Danonobe. And look the reality of

491
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,799
the Ananobe situation when he plays the Knicks, don't lose that.

492
00:24:57,799 --> 00:25:01,880
That's a should you say if he listen if may

493
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,680
be a unimportant part of the conversation too, But like

494
00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,519
when he plays the next one twenty six and five

495
00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:13,079
last year, so I understand that's only thirty one games,

496
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,680
but you're hoping that that peak now exists and now

497
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,319
he doesn't have as much of a defensive toll because

498
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:22,279
he's next to Michel Bridges and vice versa, Michel Bridges

499
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:25,519
gets the playoff of the other best wing defender in

500
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:30,319
the NBA. So you know, they've now created this thing

501
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:35,079
that could potentially be pretty pretty special this year. And look,

502
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,279
I can't believe I'm I'm saying this, especially uh with

503
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:42,799
with yourself and we've we've moved on from from articles

504
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:46,599
calling for people's jobs, But the fact that Tibbs is

505
00:25:46,599 --> 00:25:50,160
also extended and you've built like the team he would

506
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,400
want to, like the defensive team you'd probably want him

507
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,680
to coach outside of like an actual rim protector that

508
00:25:55,759 --> 00:25:59,480
stays healthy on the roster, Like I think they could

509
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,119
be pretty spell number one defense of the NBA, like

510
00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:04,880
top three offense next year. Like they have a chance

511
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,079
to be really special next year.

512
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: Devin Booker is a good name to mention, but the

513
00:26:09,319 --> 00:26:12,200
Rockets have cornered the market on Phoenix Sun's picks specifically

514
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,079
for that reason. That's another name that almost came off

515
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:16,880
the board if they weren't gonna make this move. So

516
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:21,119
what should Knicks fans and also just NBA fans in general, Like,

517
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,880
what is the most impactful aspect of McHale Bridges is

518
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,720
fit with like what is the thing that you're most

519
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:29,480
excited to see about how he impacts this team.

520
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,759
Speaker 2: He could play the three, he could play the two,

521
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:37,480
he could play the four, he can run your second unit.

522
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:40,319
That's one thing they really lost when they traded RJ

523
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,680
and quickly is those were two important guys in your

524
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,720
second unit, and the non bruns in minutes just became

525
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:48,200
a disaster. Even the January that we all speak to

526
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,279
as like magical Tims was still figuring out, like, oh,

527
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,160
I can trust Precious to Chua with like seven backup minutes,

528
00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,839
and like the week that Randall got hurt Anonobe, that's

529
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,319
when he finally stopped playing him forty five minutes. And

530
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,559
he added like this second sub where Ananobe would come

531
00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:09,680
out for Josh Hart midway through the fourth and the

532
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:12,920
fourth and then come back in for either de Vincenzo

533
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:17,680
or Hart down the stretch. And now like it's MIKEL Bridges,

534
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,359
like you heard me be frustrated with the Pistons minutes

535
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,400
that I had to watch last season, like the Alec

536
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,160
Burks and Boy and Bogdanovi's experience during the regular season

537
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,839
was for the large part awful, and now all of

538
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,359
those minutes will be played by MIKEL Bridges. So just

539
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,119
the talent upgrade in being able to put a guy

540
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,599
that never misses games and play him for Tom Thibodeau.

541
00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,799
I it's it's just I can't find the downside, you know.

542
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,839
And you can play him in multiple lineups. You could

543
00:27:47,839 --> 00:27:50,000
play with Brunson, you can play with Randall, you can

544
00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:52,039
play him at the four in certain lineups if you

545
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:56,000
want to go de Vincenzo, Deuce McBride and Brunson. He's

546
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:01,359
Ananobe insurance if Antobe plays fifty games next year, Like I,

547
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,000
how many more things should I say? That are the

548
00:28:03,079 --> 00:28:05,400
positives about the cal Bridges on the team.

549
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:07,759
Speaker 1: I think what I almost fascinated to see because even

550
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,160
dating back to Phoenix, maybe earlier on, but there was

551
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:15,279
never a point in his career where he hasn't needed

552
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:19,480
to be the top defender and one of the two

553
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,079
top offensive options on his team. It's like in Brooklyn

554
00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:24,119
he immediately shoots up that offensive pecking order and then

555
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,240
remains super important on defense. But Adaobi is your best

556
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:29,319
defender on and even if you want to limit it

557
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,839
to the scope of wing defender that's still Anonobi and

558
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,440
then you have two better shot creators on the team

559
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,440
in Julius Randalin runs and he's familiar with the latter

560
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,200
role for sure, but defensively like he's always been, he's

561
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,359
still missing critical, but he's always basically been the top

562
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,599
guy on the good teams or if the Nets thought

563
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:48,400
they were gonna be good. Now he doesn't have to

564
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,279
do either of those things.

565
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:53,519
Speaker 2: Yep, he's back in Phoenix. But like obviously like Chris

566
00:28:53,599 --> 00:28:56,960
Paul's better Pete, Chris Paul's better than Jalen Brunson, and

567
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:59,640
I the Knicks don't really have a Devin Booker, but

568
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,119
like he now can just be the third guy and

569
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:07,960
it be fine and in certain lineups be the second guy. Yeah,

570
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,119
I everything you said, I co sign or do.

571
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:14,079
Speaker 1: You have any concerns about it? Like if there isn't

572
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,519
just the you're scaling phone and it's out go we

573
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:18,519
paid the Knicks paid a lot for him, and does

574
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:21,400
this prohibit them from making upgrade? Like what is there

575
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,119
a concern about Michal Bridges is fit on this team?

576
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:26,359
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with you, not one of my

577
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,640
concerns for the Knicks right now have anything to do

578
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,440
with Michael Bridges. It's all like rest of the roster related,

579
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:34,400
you know, Like.

580
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,039
Speaker 1: When you look at his durability and you combine that

581
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,079
with the scalability of his skill set, he's one of

582
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:40,799
the you could probably count them on one hand, not

583
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,039
one hand, but there are just few players where he

584
00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:45,559
could talk about no concerns putting them on a new team,

585
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:48,160
and he's just one of them. Like even right now,

586
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,960
if I had a name off the cuff, it's Devin

587
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,640
Booker would actually be another one for me, because he's

588
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,759
like he might be the most scalable superstar in the NBA,

589
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:56,759
where's it doesn't really matter who he's playing alongside, like

590
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:59,039
co find we're seeing it with Team USA now and

591
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:01,680
so it's just like the only concern you could have

592
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,519
and I'm struggling here to reach is he's been so durable.

593
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,640
And this is me being an alarmist. It's like it

594
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,720
feels like he's due to not be super durable.

595
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: Well, if there's any coach that's gonna test his durability,

596
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:19,359
oh man, guys that missed the game since high school

597
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,720
and top Tibodau is sitting there like Birdman on the

598
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,440
other challenge. Except yeah, exactly, oh Man built in a

599
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:28,599
lab to play for Tom Thibodeaux too, guy that doesn't

600
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:30,960
miss games and is a defensive mastermind.

601
00:30:31,599 --> 00:30:34,759
Speaker 1: Let's talk about og five years, two hundred and twelve million.

602
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,799
What did you make of that contract? I was surprised

603
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:41,799
at how many people were surprised that he cost that

604
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,119
much when I think, I mean, this wasn't it common

605
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,000
knowledge that there were multiple teams that would have just

606
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,039
given him four years in one hundred and eighty one

607
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:52,400
plus million dollar max. And so I'm just I was

608
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,319
just I was a little call, even in the sticker

609
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,440
shock era, Like, I was just surprised that how many

610
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,799
people were surprised by the number he ended up with.

611
00:30:59,119 --> 00:31:02,039
Speaker 2: I'm just being one hundred percent honest here. I was

612
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:04,319
surprised that wasn't more. I thought he was gonna get

613
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:06,720
the full max. I thought he was gonna more right like,

614
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:08,880
but I thought he was gonna get the five two

615
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,680
twenty like. I thought he was gonna get more than

616
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,920
the five to twelve that he got. And yes, it's

617
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,400
like eight millions to who cares. But I actually went

618
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:24,000
into like the day after the interneview, era, like the

619
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:26,960
day after the trade was made, as like so unrestricted

620
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,000
free agent. If this works, he has all of the leverage.

621
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,240
He just needs one other team to drive up the price.

622
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,319
And like you heard like Philly wanting to Like this

623
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:39,880
is before we knew Paul George was going to Philly.

624
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,759
But like the pivot they might do is him going

625
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,640
to Philly and they'd throw the full max at him.

626
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,359
And the Knicks were not gonna be the Clippers in

627
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,799
this situation. They recognized they gave up a ton for

628
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,640
to get him in the first place. They probably have

629
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,359
to just meet his his number, which is why I

630
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:00,839
gotta be ask. I never got to a place and

631
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,440
mister Macri did, some other Knicks fans did that. It

632
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,880
was like, I'm a little worried about Anonobe leaving. I

633
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,240
just I had enough people behind the scenes telling me

634
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:12,160
like this is, this is how it's done. I'd be

635
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,920
shocked if Ananobe left and lumb Behold, the day of

636
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,640
the draft we find out that he's he's resigning. And

637
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,359
I think that also was part of the mchel calculation

638
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,000
was listen, we're probably gonna lose Hartenstein. Let's make this

639
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,200
all in move lock up Anonobe and then go to

640
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:32,119
war with these two wings, and I think it's look,

641
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,400
I understand if there's some sticker shock, I would be

642
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,319
prepared for even more sticker shock as the CBA continues

643
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,359
and then the TV deals that exist continue to dictate

644
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,799
how much these guys get on as we talk about

645
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:51,680
to deal. Indeed, indeed, I would tell anybody that has

646
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,200
sticker shock for Ananobe that it's only gonna get crazier

647
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,799
the sticker shock for certain NBA players.

648
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,079
Speaker 1: And there's you did mention people, well, Paul George went

649
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,599
to Philly and it's Ogi Ananobi would have just Detroit

650
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,599
would have offered him that Utah would figure out another

651
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,039
way to have the cap space to renegotiate extend market

652
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:11,160
in That's a player that fits everywhere, and what he

653
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,440
does defensively you can count on when he's when he's healthy,

654
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:15,160
you can count on one hand the same players that

655
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,920
are able to do it. So I guess there's risk

656
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,079
obviously because of his injury history. But that's again, that's

657
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:24,000
also part of the cacus of why you probably didn't

658
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:26,640
have to give up picks to get him first round

659
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,880
picks anyway, because yes, the raptors were clearly prioritizing players,

660
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,519
but he was in a contract year. He was going

661
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:34,400
to cost a boatload to retain. That's gonna drive down.

662
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,160
It's why Pascal Siakam went for like three whatever first

663
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,039
round picks I would call them. So I was just

664
00:33:41,119 --> 00:33:42,920
I wanted your thoughts on it, because I was surprised

665
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,000
at how many people were surprised by it, and I think,

666
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,480
you know, I saw some people floating around numbers like, oh,

667
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,119
if he takes like thirty two million a year, and

668
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,720
I'm wondering if that's what did it? Where the expectation

669
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,240
was set that he might sign for an average annual

670
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:57,640
value of thirty two or thirty five, and I just

671
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,440
don't think that was ever the case. But because it

672
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,319
was floated so many times that it felt like people

673
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:04,119
adopted that as reality.

674
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,759
Speaker 2: I am not one of those people, and I ran

675
00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:11,039
into some of those people. I never, I never once

676
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,719
thought that this thing wasn't starting with a two. And

677
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:16,440
when the number came out, I was like, yeah, that

678
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,480
he had them, but he had all the leverage. He

679
00:34:20,559 --> 00:34:24,840
had them by the you know what's like the moment

680
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,360
that the Nicks traded for him and were successful with him,

681
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,760
they they were gonna have to pony up. And one

682
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,199
thing that's that's been good about this front office with

683
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,239
Leon Rosenco is it they really haven't screwed around with

684
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,800
guys like the RJ. Barrett negotiation that seemed to be

685
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,559
like listen, we're gonna trade you for Donovan Mitchell or

686
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:48,719
we're gonna extend you. Like they were transparent from the beginning,

687
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,519
and the An Andob conversation, it seemed like from the

688
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,599
beginning like they were interested in giving him like it

689
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,239
was a negotiation. But from what I've been told, it

690
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,760
was like very clear that they made him a priority and

691
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,400
they didn't even they didn't let it get to the

692
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,360
official start a free agency. And I I'm very okay

693
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,800
with the process. And I'm not one of those people

694
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,199
that were shocked when it hit the number came out.

695
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, I was shocked in the sense of KFS

696
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,400
was all over this and there was reporting that said

697
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,000
he was gonna sign it. But I kept saying until

698
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,280
Jalen Brunston puts pen to paper on the four year,

699
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,639
one fifty six million dollars extension, I'm just not gonna

700
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,360
believe it because he's reached a point even if it's

701
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,199
in New York specific, anything could happen next season, catastrophic injury,

702
00:35:34,199 --> 00:35:36,800
the Nick suck, whatever he is going like he could

703
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,760
have he would have gotten five if he wanted it.

704
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:40,960
The Knicks would have had to give him five and

705
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,000
two sixty nine to two seventy, whatever it ends up being.

706
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,760
That is, even if I did it catch you off

707
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,719
guard at all someone who covered it, but I know

708
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,280
you guys talked about him accepting it, and so it

709
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,559
was it was in me the offing, So I understand

710
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:55,360
why you wouldn't be surprised, but I was still just

711
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:57,679
I think my ration was, oh, holy shit, he really

712
00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,199
did it. It was just that's that's how I felt

713
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:01,559
when I saw the news come down.

714
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 2: Like you said, because we were indeed all over it.

715
00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:07,800
I wasn't shocked to the point where I thought it

716
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,920
was going to happen the night before, like I was

717
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,400
ready for it to happen at midnight, and then he

718
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,800
waited until around noon the next day, and part of it.

719
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,559
Speaker 1: Away another display of him being considerate as to not

720
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:20,599
ruined all of our late nights.

721
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 2: I got an extended version of that, so that that

722
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,480
happened on a Friday afternoon, right the thursday my wife

723
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:31,159
and I were on our anniversary trip to we were

724
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:34,039
in Vegas for that week before Summer League, and we

725
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:38,440
were at the Stratosphere, the restaurant that spins and like

726
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,760
it's a whole view of Las Vegas. But our reservation

727
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,880
was for eight thirty Pacific, So at nine o'clock, potentially

728
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:50,159
Jalen Brunton's about to sign this very generous extension, which

729
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:53,360
would have meant emergency content mode. But I would have

730
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,559
been at the top of the Stratosphere, not able to

731
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:58,840
jump right in. And I like I had the artwork ready,

732
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,599
I had like to give people high the scenes, like

733
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:03,480
I had everything the plan ready to go, Like Okay,

734
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:06,039
I guess we'll go live if this happens. And like

735
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:10,199
you said, Jalen Brunson proved that he is God's gift

736
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,639
to New York basketball in being considerate to me there

737
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:19,639
and then in a serious way, Look, I'm a Mets fan.

738
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,159
And for those outside of New York that don't understand this,

739
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,280
like the Mets don't win a lot, we don't get

740
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,920
to root for the greats. We get to root for

741
00:37:26,039 --> 00:37:30,239
like the B list athletes, like the David Rights of

742
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,199
the world, the Jose Reyes of the world. Francisco Lidoor

743
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,360
is a future Hall of Famer, but he's a met

744
00:37:35,559 --> 00:37:38,039
you know, I never got to root for a Derek Jeter.

745
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,320
I never got to root for like a great Yankee

746
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,719
that the country appreciates and understands. His greatness is not

747
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,679
just in his ability, but what he does for the team.

748
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,239
And the name that has been associated with Jalen Brunson

749
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:55,760
this last three weeks since signing the extension has been

750
00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,639
Derek Jeter, and I think the comp is adequate. Look

751
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:04,280
the things that he continues to do for the culture

752
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,280
of this franchise that hasn't experienced a lot of confidence.

753
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,840
They just continue to the resume continues to get bigger

754
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,599
and better and longer, and I just I'm really happy,

755
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,239
just as a fan to get the root for him,

756
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,519
and the Knicks are just really lucky that they invested

757
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,800
in this guy two years ago, and especially with what

758
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,920
he's become on the court and what he has done

759
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:25,679
for this city.

760
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,199
Speaker 1: As a result, to have him in to just mention

761
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,960
him in the same breath as Derek Jeter. And he's

762
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:32,760
been with the Knicks for two seasons two.

763
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 2: Years, two years. Yeah, and like he's got to win.

764
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,920
Don't get me wrong, They gotta go and win some things.

765
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,719
But this also is the state of what New York

766
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,800
was like again over my shoulder, Carmelo, Anthony Jersey and

767
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,840
mellow like he obviously he said the public comments about

768
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:53,519
like I wouldn't have taken that deal. Listen, you can

769
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,480
know that. I could just remind everybody, Oh, Jinnobi didn't

770
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,679
take that deal. He could have opted in and extended

771
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,400
off of that number. I say Hertenstein didn't take that deal.

772
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,039
He took a bag to go live in the middle

773
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:06,840
of nowhere, Like you don't fuck guys are doing that.

774
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,079
It should be unprecedented. I may be a little bitter.

775
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:15,159
I just watched Twisters, right, Isaiah, enjoy your new neighborhood

776
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:19,800
all right. Anyway, I think it should be commended what

777
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:24,119
Jalen Brunson did without well or not even without having

778
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:26,880
to criticize anybody else. It should just be understood this

779
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,960
is not a normal thing. Like in any labor negotiation,

780
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,079
you're like, you know, I'll take less for the company,

781
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,639
Like no one does that, and Jalen Brunson did. I

782
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:38,559
think they're gonna take care of him. Down the other end,

783
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,159
I also recognize because godfather is the president of basketball

784
00:39:42,199 --> 00:39:45,280
of well yeah, president of basketball operations. His dad's on

785
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,119
the team as an assistant coach. His agent is Leon

786
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,559
Rose's son. Like I understand the family part of it too,

787
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,440
But from a union perspective, they're all gonna look at

788
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,039
him be like, what are you doing? And he did

789
00:39:58,079 --> 00:39:59,599
it anyway, so I.

790
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: Would have see. The one point I would disagree on

791
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:06,480
is that people were wondering is this bad for the

792
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,719
players' union or more star is gonna be expected to

793
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,440
do this? And we might reach that point, but that's

794
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,920
not because of Jalen Brunson. This is someone who's a

795
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,159
sent to like real stardom has been two years. He

796
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,920
might have looked at it and said, I want to

797
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,079
lock up this money now. I'm a smaller guard. They're

798
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:25,840
offering it me now if there's an injury, yes, I

799
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,599
might be able to get money down like next summer. Still,

800
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,559
but not that he wouldn't have been guaranteed to get this.

801
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,360
But it's not. This wasn't like a top like an

802
00:40:35,639 --> 00:40:39,119
entrenched top ten NBA player accepting all this money money

803
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:41,320
less and the other thing too, that I think we

804
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,639
all need to be prepared for. The contracts are getting

805
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:47,320
so huge that these players might just look at it

806
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,880
and decide it doesn't matter. Like this the next deal,

807
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,559
everyone's framed it. And I was gonna ask you about

808
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:55,559
this because I find the framing disingenuous, because I don't

809
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:57,119
know who needs to hear this. Jalen Brunson is not

810
00:40:57,159 --> 00:41:00,079
getting the four hundred and seventeen million dollar contract in

811
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:02,960
twenty eight and that's not because he's gonna accept another discount.

812
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,039
It's just he's not getting that deal. To think that

813
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:07,119
he's gonna get the five year the boat, it's just

814
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,840
it's not I will be shocked if that happens, more

815
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:11,679
shocked than I am by the extension. If he gets

816
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:14,519
the five year, four seventeen number. I don't think that

817
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,800
that's something that's They might have said like, oh, you're

818
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,480
gonna be here for life, like you'll be doing. It's

819
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:21,480
just he's not getting that number. And so when the

820
00:41:21,519 --> 00:41:23,920
people are saying like, oh this is this is tampering,

821
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,719
so to speak, I just he's not getting the number.

822
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,639
So I can't bring myself to think that way. But

823
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,360
think about that number four hundred and seventeen million over

824
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,559
five year. Jalen bruns In taking a discount at that

825
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:36,239
stage is him except like, y'all take three hundred and

826
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,440
fifty million, Like the money is so ridiculous in raw

827
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:41,960
terms of forget about percentage of the salary cap. I'm

828
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,679
not gonna fault the player if they get max offers

829
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,920
for taking it, because they should take it. It's on

830
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,719
the team to figure out how to spend around that

831
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,760
then if that's their market worth. But I think we're

832
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,880
getting to a point where the contracts are so massive

833
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:56,719
that taking a steep discount still gets you not rich,

834
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,760
it gets you generational wealth, and we just need to

835
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,920
be that more stars might look at it. Oh, if

836
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,280
I can win and still make a quarter of a

837
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,639
million dollars over my four or five year contract, I

838
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:08,559
think that's coming.

839
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: So I agree with you that the number is getting

840
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,800
so ridiculous that there's incentive to take a more team

841
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,639
friendly extension like what Brunson did. I agree with that

842
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,840
point in a vacuum. So you're saying you don't think

843
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,480
in three years like the length of this extension, right,

844
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,760
you don't think the Knicks would offer him the full max.

845
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: No, I would be like, it's I mean, if it's

846
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,000
truly a family affair, and that's what Okay, Leon Rose

847
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:41,000
is still there, Rick Brunson is still there, and it's

848
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:43,719
you're looking at it through that lens. But that if

849
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,960
you're trying to actually build a winning basketball team at

850
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,320
that point, investing that much money in Jalen Brunson at

851
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,519
the age of that's gonna be him entering his age

852
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,440
thirty two season. That's going to be a recipe for disaster.

853
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,840
And it's just I think we're even gonna I think

854
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,679
this isn't Jalen Brunson specific. I think we've seen it

855
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:03,960
with James Harden. I think we saw it with the

856
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:07,239
Clippers and Paul George. I'll be it disingenuinely disingenuously on

857
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,199
the Clippers part. Teams are gonna be thinking twice, three times,

858
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:14,719
four times about maxing out these players entering the middle

859
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,159
of their thirties. And am I saying Jalen Brunson's not

860
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,679
gonna get maybe more money than another team would give

861
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,159
him in a vacuum per year. No, But I will

862
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:27,000
be flabbergasted if the Knicks in three years give Jalen brow.

863
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:29,440
I mean, I guess if he's coming off in MVP

864
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:33,440
a couple first team All NBA appearances, but he's I

865
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:35,840
look at it, he's not gonna First of all, given

866
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,199
what he just showed, would he even take that number?

867
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:39,360
If he might have decaid, well, I don't, I take

868
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,960
a little less and this will allow us to keep

869
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,519
the band together. I don't think they're gonna offer him

870
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:47,000
that number. I think that's the number that's gonna be

871
00:43:47,039 --> 00:43:50,760
reserved for your top ten player, which Jalen Brudson could

872
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,039
be at that point. I'm not saying he won't be

873
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:54,519
your top ten player. This deal is not gonna take

874
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:56,679
you through your age thirty six season, though, and so

875
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,480
if you're saying they're gonna max him out for two

876
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:02,199
years three years, he's not. He is not getting the fight.

877
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,280
I will be floored. I'm not even trying to be

878
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,840
if I'm coming off condescending to people.

879
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I just think we should should, we

880
00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:12,760
should bookmark this and maybe you'll be apologized. Someone will

881
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,000
be apologizing to somebody at the beginning of a pod.

882
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: You actively think he's going to get that deal. Yes,

883
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,360
that's interesting. I never would have thought that that would

884
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,800
have been your stance on it.

885
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: His godfather is the president of basketball operations. His agent

886
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,400
is the son of said president of basketball operations. His

887
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,000
dad is on the assist one of the assistant coaches

888
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,119
for the team. The coach is someone he's known since

889
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:38,519
he was six years old. The team traded for every

890
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:41,400
one of his friends in college. He runs a team.

891
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,159
He's there, Lebron like whether he's qualified to be that

892
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,039
or not. As an interesting conversation, I think Jaylen Brunson

893
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,599
is going to be a consistent top twelve player over

894
00:44:51,639 --> 00:44:53,360
the next four years, and I thought this year was

895
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,599
just the beginning of that. I also think they're gonna

896
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,559
win a ton over the next couple of years. But

897
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,599
Jalen Brunson as the engine, which is why you're gonna

898
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:03,519
pinch pennies with him now, after all you've accomplished over

899
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:06,360
the next couple of years. Now, some injuries may change that,

900
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:08,599
and him being a small guard may change that. But

901
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:14,239
if he's got any hint of production that warrants like

902
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,840
max contract extension in a couple of years now, he

903
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,760
may just take the extension, like you said. But if

904
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,280
he's like I'm gonna take this one to the market.

905
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,639
And I just compared them to Derek Jeter. You want

906
00:45:25,639 --> 00:45:27,880
to become public enemy number one, Let Derek Jeter go

907
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,960
to free agency and test the market.

908
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,159
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, it's tough to have this conversation

909
00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:36,119
when we haven't seen the next three years play out.

910
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:37,599
But if these next three years play out and they

911
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,280
haven't made the NBA Finals, I don't think anyone's gonna

912
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,280
look at the Knicks's public enemy number one if they

913
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,519
decide not to lock themselves into a half decade of

914
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,679
Jalen Brunson. I guess this is more a compliment. I

915
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,519
mean it more of a complex to Jalen Brunson that

916
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:53,000
I believe there's real risk in the sense of, like,

917
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:55,360
he's not gonna get the four hundred and seventeen million

918
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,880
dollar contracts, So you, to me, you can't just pencil

919
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,880
him in for that and diminish the concession that he's

920
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,800
making right now. And I think even so, the worst

921
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,920
way to frame the concession is for the next three years.

922
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,199
I've said he's saving them a Dante DiVincenzo per season

923
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,519
with the pay cut he took. That's substantial when you're

924
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:16,280
looking at the percentage of his salary and as someone

925
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,920
who did not make rookie like real rookie scale top

926
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,119
pick money during his first contract, and then it ends

927
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:25,079
up somehow on a second contract, Okay, it's nine figures,

928
00:46:25,159 --> 00:46:26,800
and it still ends up being one of like the

929
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,280
two to five best deals in the NBA over that span.

930
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,880
So he took a real risk here, and I think

931
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,079
people have been diluting it by justice I'm not saying you,

932
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,400
but by just assuming, well, he's gonna get the four

933
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,400
hundred plus million dollar deal in twenty twenty eight. And

934
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,119
I just and I'm not this is me independently saying

935
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,599
that maybe he'll take the extension or he'll just sign

936
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:47,960
for less if they're making availablem too.

937
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:48,079
Speaker 2: Ma.

938
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: Anyway, I just can't see organizations for a player in

939
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:55,519
his situation. I think there will be four to seven

940
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:57,559
players that teams are going to get to a point

941
00:46:57,599 --> 00:46:59,719
where they'll do that for like those full blown thirty

942
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,800
five percent max is at that age. Uh. And I

943
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,760
just don't think Jalen Brunson is gonna be the fourth

944
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,840
best player in the NBA in twenty twenty eight.

945
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: Look, twenty twenty eight is along ways away, which is

946
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,159
why you're right in that the unknown of the next

947
00:47:14,159 --> 00:47:17,960
three years is the risk, which is why him choosing

948
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,239
to extend now rather than wait until he could potentially

949
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,760
get a bigger bag a year from now. There's no

950
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,920
guarantee that four years from now, not even that he's like,

951
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,079
maybe he is like really good in four years. Maybe

952
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:33,559
the Knicks are also like the who knows what they accomplished,

953
00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:36,599
Maybe everybody gets fired, like we know who the owner is, Like,

954
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,840
that's the risk he's taken the unknown of of the

955
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,480
next three years. So I agree with you that that

956
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,199
needs to be factored into the decision. I'm also very

957
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,280
confident that if there's one player they're never gonna pinch

958
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,119
pennies with, it's Jalen Brunchon. That's that's my take on

959
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,199
my observations and my understanding of how the organization is run.

960
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: That will be something to bookmark. Then I am curious

961
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,199
Julius Randall extension eligible. How do you think that? I

962
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,199
think it always would have been a difficult negotiation. And

963
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,280
as we were recording this, the Athletic Reporter that the

964
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,840
Knicks aren't looking to trade Julius Randall for anywhere or

965
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,679
not cares about that. How do you think Jalen Brunson.

966
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,360
I don't. Oh, g Anobi did not take a pay cut.

967
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:21,360
But when you have the best player in the organization

968
00:48:21,679 --> 00:48:25,800
making the concession that he did, does that impact how

969
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,199
the Knicks like go about the Julius Randall extension? And

970
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:31,239
then if you're Julius Randall sitting there, it's well, what's

971
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,159
the case for you to argue that you should be

972
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:38,159
paid substantially more than Jalen Brunson moving forwarded? It doesn't.

973
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,000
Does the Jallen Brunson extension complicate the Julius Randall negotiations

974
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:42,480
in any way?

975
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: I actually think it clarifies it a little bit because

976
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:53,039
I think you could reasonably extend Randall this offseason, which

977
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:56,679
the mortar I am the ability to extend him is

978
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:58,639
on Saturday. I don't know when this is coming out,

979
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,199
but August third, my birthday, is the day that they

980
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:07,679
can extend Julius Randall. They like, it becomes very simple,

981
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,440
like we either extend you and you're on the team

982
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:14,360
all of next year, or we don't extend you and

983
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,559
you're a candidate for us to potentially trade you because

984
00:49:17,559 --> 00:49:19,239
we're not gonna let you walk for nothing at the

985
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,920
end of next year. So I know what Fred's reporting

986
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,559
has been, and I, like, I have no reason to

987
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:27,920
doubt what the athletic is saying about not looking to

988
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,360
trade Julius Roland. I don't think the Knicks are looking

989
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,599
to trade Julius Randall, but post moratorium, if he's like,

990
00:49:34,639 --> 00:49:37,119
I'd rather see what my value is on the market

991
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,400
next summer. That changes things, especially for a team that

992
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,760
just went all in and look, I tend to defend

993
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:47,760
Julius more often than others. I'm part of that subset

994
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,400
of the Knicks world that wants to remind people how

995
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,440
good Julius Randall is and can be. I also saw

996
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,000
this team look really good in the playoffs with Evencenzo

997
00:49:57,039 --> 00:49:59,400
at the two and like Josh Hart at the three,

998
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,559
and now it's kel Bridges, like that's not afraid to

999
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:06,079
shoot three pointers. So you know I I I think

1000
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,360
the Knicks can be really good with Julius next year.

1001
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,719
But just from a financial standpoint, if he's not extending,

1002
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,920
then we you become a little bit more expendable if

1003
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,159
he extends, like, let's try to win something with you. Also,

1004
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,199
this new world of second apron and first apron trade

1005
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,320
hindrances where if you have more money going out, your

1006
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,199
capped at the first apron, but if you have more

1007
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:33,719
money going in coming in, then now if you have less.

1008
00:50:33,559 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: Money you know what I'm saying, have more money coming in,

1009
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,079
your capped at the first apron if you have more

1010
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,760
money going out than your capped at the second.

1011
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 2: So you almost kind of need Randall to extend because

1012
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:48,880
if you need to put him in a trade that

1013
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,039
doesn't cap you at the first apron, you need that

1014
00:50:52,159 --> 00:50:54,599
number to be higher. If it's like Carl Anthony Towns

1015
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:56,440
has been the name that's been thrown out there as

1016
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,840
a potential number, and him and Mitch if if he extends,

1017
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,400
is the is the way you get to not be

1018
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:09,119
capped at the first aprin. So I, from my understanding,

1019
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,559
I actually think he's going to sign an extension with

1020
00:51:11,639 --> 00:51:16,639
the Knicks. I don't think necessarily what Brunson did changes it.

1021
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,440
I also also wonder Randall might be wondering what his

1022
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,920
market is like, who's looking to sign to more than

1023
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,000
what the Knicks might offer him. A guy like that

1024
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,159
has all the playoff questions that he has, and it's

1025
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:30,840
now coming off of a shoulder injury that ended his season,

1026
00:51:31,559 --> 00:51:33,239
you know, as he's entering into his thirties.

1027
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's maybe this offseason ends up being a one

1028
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,239
year blip because teams are trying to figure out the

1029
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,079
realities of these new financial limitations. But I kind of

1030
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:45,400
just feel like Jared Allen just signed a panic extension

1031
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:48,119
to me, because I think people look at oh, thirty

1032
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:50,360
million dollars a year basically for it's like I thought

1033
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,119
he was gonna get more and take this to free agency,

1034
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:54,199
to be honest with you, but I think you're fine.

1035
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,039
I think maybe players are finding out that unless you

1036
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,519
are Paul George and you have that cachet of not

1037
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:02,920
just an all NBA player, but an all NBA player

1038
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:07,719
who fits anywhere with anyone, you might have a tougher market.

1039
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,760
And we're seeing it. Randall's always Randall. He's an All

1040
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,360
NBA player twice over. That doesn't happen by a mistake.

1041
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,239
But I also think he's kind of in the same

1042
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,719
boat of Brandon Ingram, where we're talking about talented players

1043
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,760
that the Knicks do shop him or if he does

1044
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,400
take this to free agency, I don't think his market's

1045
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:24,320
just gonna be all. They'll be teams just lining up

1046
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,039
to give Randall the max or more than the Knicks

1047
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:28,840
would offer. That would benefit the Knicks, I would think.

1048
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,760
But I'm also looking at it from the perspective of

1049
00:52:31,159 --> 00:52:35,079
does Randall have some zemblance of leverage here because the

1050
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:38,639
Knicks decided to go all in on McHale Bridges, Where Okay, yes,

1051
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,800
he will never need to be your top option, but

1052
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,599
even him as like your second best offensive option, or

1053
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,400
if you want to frame it as your second best

1054
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,480
shot creator, shot generator, that is still if the territory.

1055
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,840
To me, just after watching him in Brooklyn, I think,

1056
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:55,519
is it possible? Sure, I was open to the idea

1057
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:56,960
that he might be a number one guy, but after

1058
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:58,880
watching him last season, I was just like, and through

1059
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,079
the playoffs that first year, it just I can't get there.

1060
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,079
And so if you're Julius Randold, you're still, to me

1061
00:53:04,199 --> 00:53:07,639
very clearly the second best self starter on this team.

1062
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:09,960
Doesn't that kind of give him a form of leverage

1063
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,920
that Okay, the Knicks decided to go all in on

1064
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,280
this guy in Michal Bridges, who doesn't usurp me in

1065
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,119
that department, And so when they don't necessarily have the

1066
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:20,039
assets to go out there and get someone who's going

1067
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:23,159
to be an upgrade over Michale Bridges, let alone Julius

1068
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:26,519
Randall in that department. Does that give him some lever

1069
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,199
or let's not call it leverage? Is he more important

1070
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:32,079
to the Knicks than you would have expected following a

1071
00:53:32,119 --> 00:53:34,800
trade in which they just gave up five first round.

1072
00:53:34,679 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 2: Picks from a financial standpoint? So let me start here.

1073
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:48,320
Let me start here. Do playoff offensive and defensive ratings

1074
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,800
matter to you? Like? I know they're small sample sizes

1075
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:52,639
and you're only playing like two teams, but do they

1076
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:53,719
matter to you? They?

1077
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: I cannot read into individual offensive and defensive ratings. So

1078
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,280
if it's like a Julius Randall offensive defensive rating, it's

1079
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:02,239
it's a team.

1080
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 2: It's a team past year in the playoffs had the

1081
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,079
second best offensive rating without Julius Randall. The year before

1082
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:11,079
they had the second worst with Julius Randall.

1083
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to read into Julius Randall's struggles.

1084
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:20,000
But if you would put that team that the Knicks

1085
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,920
had this past playoff run around Julius Randall that year,

1086
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,760
does Julius Randall get better just because the floor is

1087
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,960
going to be a little bit more open with Dante DiVincenzo, and.

1088
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 2: It's it's why I'm highly interested in Julius Randall being

1089
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:33,719
on the team this year. I think they can have

1090
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,920
a top I think they can. I just got and

1091
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:37,519
say it. I think the Knicks can win sixty games

1092
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:39,280
this year. Like, that's how good I think they could

1093
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:40,239
potentially be fifty.

1094
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,079
Speaker 1: I would normally say there's no way, but Tom Thibodau

1095
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:45,599
will coach to win sixty games if.

1096
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: It's exactly yeah. So with the fact that there's no

1097
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:53,159
games off, there's no load management days, I think that

1098
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:58,199
the Knicks are really good as is. I also saw

1099
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,320
that they can have a pretty good team without Julius

1100
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,679
Randall last year, which is why as far as leverage

1101
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,239
is concerned, I almost wonder if they're like Julius, we

1102
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,960
have options at the four if we need to. You've

1103
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,679
been hesitant to play the five. You can't play the three.

1104
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:18,039
You can't really guard anybody. Like the benefit to having

1105
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,280
you on our team is creating space and letting you

1106
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:25,000
bullyball with your gravity and potentially losing Hartenstein sucks, but

1107
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:27,480
you can be the new hub that we run the

1108
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,960
offense through because we're putting three high volume three point

1109
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,639
shooters around you, so catch and shoot opportunities are a plenty.

1110
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:39,519
And then if Tips decides to play an Anobi or

1111
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,559
Julius with four shooter lineups and like ob Anob's guarding

1112
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:45,280
your five and then is spacing the floor on the

1113
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,639
other end, then you have a chance to have a

1114
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:50,519
really special offense where he's averaging like seven assists a game.

1115
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,400
So I almost wonder if he looks at it more

1116
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,960
from from the Knicks perspective, or maybe he doesn't look

1117
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,440
at it from the Knicks perspective, but like the leverage

1118
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,079
actually lies with the Knicks because they're like, we're the

1119
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:04,559
best position for you to succeed right now. So you

1120
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,159
may want to go into the following off season a

1121
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:11,320
free agent after that really good position to succeed. But

1122
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:14,199
who's gonna be able to offer you the same environment

1123
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,760
that helped you succeed like we did here and is

1124
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,400
willing to give you the contract that we're willing to

1125
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,280
give you. So that's whe where I look at it.

1126
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: I have probably always been lower on Julius Randall than you,

1127
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,360
but I am even interested to see him with this team,

1128
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,039
because I thought before he got injured, there could still

1129
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:34,199
be maddening Julius Randall moments. I think that's part of

1130
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,079
the Julius Randold experience. I thought he got a lot

1131
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:40,079
better the accessory work on offense, and maybe not even better,

1132
00:56:40,119 --> 00:56:42,199
but a lot more willing to do it. And so

1133
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,039
now in the context of this team that can open

1134
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:47,000
the floor even more around him and make life even

1135
00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:50,239
easier on him. It feels like this could be the

1136
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:52,960
most optimal version of Julius Randall we see in part

1137
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,760
because there's a question. You've already alluded to it and

1138
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:55,920
I'm going to ask you it in a little bit,

1139
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:58,239
but I want to ask you this question. First, you're

1140
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,800
running the Knicks, which you basically I mean, what's your

1141
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,559
familiar tree relation to Leon Rose.

1142
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,639
Speaker 2: At this point? That's Cia that just called me way,

1143
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:07,679
I'm part of that family.

1144
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: You know, what is the number that you're comfortable extending

1145
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,199
Julius Randall at If you want to frame it as

1146
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,519
per year or total over this many years, like what

1147
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,519
is the walkaway number? Where it's no, then you can

1148
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,960
well you can take this to free agency or your

1149
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,719
player optionever you want to consider it.

1150
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest, Like I've been thinking about this

1151
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,960
this question you were talking about sticker shock. I've never

1152
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,400
really had a good sense of the value of what

1153
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,639
like is a good number in that sense.

1154
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: If it makes you feel any better. I'm normally pretty

1155
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,760
good at this, but we did an over under podcast

1156
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:48,079
on per year contract values before free agency. I went

1157
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:50,199
back and just briefly looked and stopped because of how

1158
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:53,360
many we just completely whipped on. Like I got to

1159
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,800
Simifontecio and I had him getting more than the non

1160
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,039
tax Payammell and he gets eight million bucks. So I

1161
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:00,800
have like no feel for this either. If that makes

1162
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:01,400
you feel.

1163
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: Better, it does. Listen, there's like one person I've ever

1164
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:06,480
met that has had a perfect feel for it, and

1165
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:09,960
it's Jeremy Cohen of Knicks Film School or Kapologist. Man

1166
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,320
went on Fred Katz's pod last week and said, I

1167
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,039
think Precious is going to resign with the Knicks for

1168
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:20,199
six million dollars. What happens twenty four hours later? Like, well, okay,

1169
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:22,159
that happened two days ago, so it actually what happened

1170
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:25,159
like seventy two hours later, But guess what happened pressures

1171
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,039
you a resigned with the Knicks for six million dollars,

1172
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,719
so he's been able to assess that that market the

1173
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:37,599
better than I have. I would say that there's as

1174
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:39,760
long as he extends off the current number. There's no

1175
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,559
real number that way to make me walk away, like

1176
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:46,039
I don't want him hitting free agency next next offseason.

1177
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:49,480
But if they went with like the version one eighty

1178
00:58:49,519 --> 00:58:52,039
one was the number that I had seen as far

1179
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:54,920
as a full contract extension, that I'd probably be fine

1180
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:57,159
with if he goes four to one one off of

1181
00:58:57,199 --> 00:58:58,000
this current deal.

1182
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: You know, and you said if you had to make

1183
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:03,920
a prediction, you would expect him he's extension eligible. I

1184
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,480
think it's. Oh, you mentioned it August third, you would

1185
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,159
expect maybe not on the day, but you would expect

1186
00:59:09,199 --> 00:59:10,840
him to sign an extension before the season.

1187
00:59:11,159 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 2: Yes, I think so. I've been wrong before, but I

1188
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:18,000
think this is headed towards Julius extension.

1189
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,519
Speaker 1: I think I would agree with you, at least from

1190
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:23,639
the perspective of I think extending is probably what's best

1191
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:26,639
for his career, because I do agree with you that

1192
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:29,280
I don't know that he's going to have the level

1193
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,199
of agency or opportunity anywhere else other than New York.

1194
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,599
But it's is they're not building around him anymore, but

1195
00:59:35,599 --> 00:59:37,880
they're still tailoring a chunk of their offense to what

1196
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,599
he can do. Isaiah Hartenstein is gone. The center rotation

1197
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:47,119
is Mitchell Robinson, Jericho Simms. Precious that you is there.

1198
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:53,400
How concerned are you about the actual center rotation.

1199
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,639
Speaker 2: It's the only concern I have about this team. It's

1200
00:59:56,679 --> 00:59:58,880
really I know that there's a head coach that loves

1201
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,519
her in protection. The centers on this team have been

1202
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,400
an alternating You have to be a true center, like

1203
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,159
He's never he never experimented with Obi Toppin at the

1204
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:13,480
five like we saw in Indiana. He never experienced with

1205
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:15,800
Randall at the five and maybe going with our j

1206
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:16,719
remember or.

1207
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: Like two seasons ago at this point wherever it was,

1208
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,079
they did it against Philly. Top and Randall were playing

1209
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:23,280
together because it happened intermittently, but it was like it

1210
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:23,840
was minutes.

1211
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, Twitter, whether oh my god, what's happening, happening,

1212
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:29,320
Oh my gosh, it's happening. It was like game five

1213
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,719
of the season and he played them in crunch time.

1214
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:35,079
I was like, oh my gosh, it's actually happening. The

1215
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,800
we did this bit at Dick's film school called Claudio Casino,

1216
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:42,599
where I create these fake betting lines for everyone to

1217
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,480
for John and Jeremy to say over under before the season,

1218
01:00:45,519 --> 01:00:49,320
and it's basically our season preview. And I gave Macriy

1219
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,079
the over under of one hundred minutes for Randall and

1220
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,000
Obie to play together that season that you're talking about,

1221
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:00,239
and he took the over and I was like, I'm

1222
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:02,400
taking the way under and it got to like fifty

1223
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:08,480
five minutes total. So like I'm I'm a little concerned that,

1224
01:01:09,039 --> 01:01:11,719
especially with the health of Mitchell Robinson, that if he

1225
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,280
goes down, which I believe at a certain point, mister

1226
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,639
Robinson will miss time. You know, he's got Pressures to

1227
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:20,559
Chua and Jericho Simms on the team, and he's gonna

1228
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:21,960
be like, well, I have to have a true rim

1229
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:27,239
protector and won't experiment a bit and see what Randall

1230
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,639
at the five or Annobe at the five, however you

1231
01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:35,760
want to, however you want to classify it, which I

1232
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:39,679
think could be a pretty lethal lineup. Last year he

1233
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:41,679
played pressures to Chew a lot at the four, but

1234
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,599
then there were also a lot of lineups for pressious

1235
01:01:43,639 --> 01:01:45,840
at Chua, a six to eight forward, like he could

1236
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,840
say he's the backup center. Pressus che Is, a six

1237
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,559
to eight forward, played a lot of five last year

1238
01:01:50,639 --> 01:01:53,880
next to Ananobi. There was a playoff game where he

1239
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:58,519
closed with Isaiah Hartenstein available, he closed Presses Chua and

1240
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:01,840
og Nanobi taking turns of Joel Embiid And it's the

1241
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,559
best defensive game the Knicks played in the playoffs. So

1242
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:10,519
I'm hoping that he leans into more of the experiment

1243
01:02:10,639 --> 01:02:13,960
of I've called it the Knicks Golden States, the version

1244
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,599
of the Golden State lineup that we all loved before

1245
01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:19,559
they got Kevin Durant. I've added the caveat every time

1246
01:02:19,559 --> 01:02:22,519
the Knicks don't have Steph Curry but Steve Kurry.

1247
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 1: What if Steph Curry could win Defensive Player of the

1248
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,440
Year in Duce McBride, do they not?

1249
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,119
Speaker 2: Obviously yes, yes, But like the Knicks version of that

1250
01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:37,800
is Brunson at the one, Devincenzo Michel Bridges, Anonobi and

1251
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,000
Julius Randall. And as much as we look at that

1252
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:43,480
Golden State team and we're like, oh, he probably Steve

1253
01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:45,519
Kerr went to that death lineup all the time, right

1254
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:48,639
it played two hundred and twenty two possessions. The first

1255
01:02:48,679 --> 01:02:51,519
year that Steve Kerr was there played three forty seven.

1256
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,679
The second year that he was there, it was the

1257
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:57,639
fifth most used lineup the first year, the third most

1258
01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:00,639
used lineup the second year, and he only were pivoted

1259
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:03,320
to it as a starting five in the playoffs. In

1260
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,599
game four of that first finals, when they were down

1261
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:09,519
two to one against the Calves, when Delladova was getting

1262
01:03:09,559 --> 01:03:11,760
ivy fluid shot up in him and he was like,

1263
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,360
all right, I'm gonna go to my death lineup as

1264
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,519
a starting five and just send Andrew Boge to the

1265
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,000
adul drums. Right. And then the second year that the

1266
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:22,559
year they won seventy three and nine and then lost

1267
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:26,559
in the finals, that lineup get out scored. Like I

1268
01:03:26,599 --> 01:03:29,000
say all of these that I don't need tips to

1269
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:31,280
do this full time. I just need it to be

1270
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:34,199
an option. I need to see that he realizes that

1271
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,960
rim protection isn't the most important thing, and that he'll

1272
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,280
experiment a bit, like he doesn't need Jericho, Like I

1273
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:44,199
don't need closing lineups with Jericho Simms. Ever, because Mitchell

1274
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:48,440
Robinson is hurt or precious at you a situational fine,

1275
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:50,400
you need to play a true center because the other

1276
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:52,159
team has two bigs out there that are killing you

1277
01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:55,840
on the boards. I think they can get really flexible

1278
01:03:56,159 --> 01:04:00,239
with some positionless lineups and just putting like five really

1279
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,000
good basketball players out there, and I think that's how

1280
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:08,199
you get around the legitimate loss of Hartenstein and potential

1281
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:14,320
potential uh depth, a lack of depth at the center position.

1282
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: I know a lot of it was by necessity, but

1283
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,480
I actually do think that we will be pleasantly surprised

1284
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:22,920
with how much, if not in the regular season, with

1285
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:26,239
how much Tips busts out that look in the postseason,

1286
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:29,559
because it seems like, again part of it was by necessity.

1287
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:31,880
But even look at how small his fours have been,

1288
01:04:32,239 --> 01:04:34,559
look At how small his one, two, three rotations have

1289
01:04:34,599 --> 01:04:37,239
been at points where there's basically three guards on the court.

1290
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,519
It feels like the past two years, season and a

1291
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:43,840
half whatever, he's a way more flexible coach when it

1292
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,320
comes to lineup structure, and they've almost forced him to

1293
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,719
a point where it's okay, you like, even if it's

1294
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:53,360
precious to Chua instead like that still counts as like

1295
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,960
him being sort of flexible there. So unless we do

1296
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,519
see Jericho Simms all of a sudden, playing every single

1297
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:01,599
minute that Mitchell Robinson is not. It almost makes you

1298
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:04,199
feel like it feels like the Nicks had put him

1299
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:05,519
in a situation where you if he didn't want to,

1300
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:07,559
it's not like he has much of another option other

1301
01:05:07,639 --> 01:05:09,159
than to lean into this.

1302
01:05:10,199 --> 01:05:12,679
Speaker 2: You have the exact same takeaway that I have that

1303
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:18,119
the roster they've given him demands that we see Randall

1304
01:05:18,119 --> 01:05:21,079
Anonobi at the four and five lineups, you know, and

1305
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:24,400
like to your point about the flexibility, I mean, I

1306
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,960
spent how many years talking to you about I hope

1307
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,920
Timms plays quickly like starts quickly eventually and we get

1308
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:33,239
like he was just afraid to play Brunson and quickly together.

1309
01:05:33,519 --> 01:05:36,480
And then we get to the end of last season,

1310
01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:38,719
we get to Game five of the playoffs last year,

1311
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:43,199
and he's putting a lineup out there of Brunson, Deuce McBride,

1312
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:47,079
the Vincenzo, Josh Hart. It's four guards like Joshart can

1313
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:50,440
say like.

1314
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 1: He's at best a wing man, but he's six '

1315
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:54,719
five like Josh Hart is not not a forward.

1316
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 2: And he played a lot of four last year, and

1317
01:05:57,559 --> 01:06:00,559
he threw those four out there in playoff games with

1318
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:03,880
Miles Turner and Pascal Siakam on the other side of

1319
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,360
the floor. Now, I'd argue that as many Knicks fans

1320
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:07,880
that were like, this is the lineup you have to

1321
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,039
go to, he was spooked that Siakam would dominate and

1322
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,920
in Game six and seven, guess what Pascal Siakam did.

1323
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:20,360
But man, I am also open to the flexibility that

1324
01:06:20,719 --> 01:06:23,760
TIBs will have this season, especially since I think the

1325
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,079
roster dictates.

1326
01:06:24,639 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: It is there kind of moving on here are do

1327
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:32,960
you have any early impressions of Pacomb Dottier or Tyler

1328
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:35,440
Kohlik after summer week?

1329
01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:39,199
Speaker 2: So seeing him in person really informs my opinion here,

1330
01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:43,119
Tyler Kolak's passing just like jumps off off the screen

1331
01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:45,280
and then like seeing it in person. The joke I

1332
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:50,440
made during the on Twitter about Tyler Kohlik is that, like,

1333
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,880
the guy could probably find Bigfoot with a no look

1334
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:55,960
pass like the ways he was breaking down the defense

1335
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:58,159
and then you just you see him disappear into a

1336
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,079
crowd and the ball just comes flying out and you

1337
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:03,880
just see, oh wow, that guy's wide open. And I

1338
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,639
couldn't wait to see what those passes looked like to

1339
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,639
NBA players, So I'm already there with Tyler Kohlik. I

1340
01:07:10,679 --> 01:07:13,679
believe the reporting that he's already factored into not the

1341
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,800
opening day rotation, but in the pecking order. He's already

1342
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:20,280
ahead a campaign. So I'm very bought in on the

1343
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,960
Tyler Kollick experience. Pecomdaddie is a bit of a raw prospect,

1344
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:26,760
and I think the Knicks knew that, which is why

1345
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,199
they were able to get him on the deal that

1346
01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:31,159
they got him. Guy's gonna be nineteen in a couple months,

1347
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:35,039
so I look at him as like we'll see in

1348
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:37,760
a couple of years. Duce McBride didn't crack the rotation

1349
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,360
until year two. I could see Percomb cracking the rotation

1350
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:46,519
in three years. The thing overall from both Summer League

1351
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:50,039
and how they've done the roster this year. For those

1352
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:53,280
who don't know, the Knicks suffered a plethora of injuries

1353
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,199
last year during the regular season, to the point where

1354
01:07:56,239 --> 01:07:58,519
Tibbs was like, I got seven guys tonight, that's what

1355
01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:02,880
we're gonna go with. Because Evan Fournier, who he refused

1356
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,079
to play and probably justifiably if he wanted to win.

1357
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:10,199
Uh and like Jared Jared Jefferies, de Kwon Jeffries and

1358
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,199
Dwayne Washington and Obi Toppins's little brother were just filling

1359
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,560
roster spots on the team and they weren't expected to play.

1360
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,199
And now you have NBA players on the team that

1361
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,279
if you need to break glass in case of emergency,

1362
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:29,319
you have the option to do so. So, Yeah, my

1363
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,520
impressions of both of them or that I think they

1364
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:35,720
the one will absolutely factor into the NBA product this year,

1365
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:40,600
and one is a product or project that they can

1366
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,119
because the team's so good that they can, you know,

1367
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:44,439
wait and see what he turns into.

1368
01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:47,159
Speaker 1: I forgot to ask you this about the centers, and

1369
01:08:47,159 --> 01:08:49,600
I'm sure they're gonna want to see the games and

1370
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,680
the rotation unfold. What do you view as the level

1371
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,000
of likelihood that New York winds up chasing another big

1372
01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:56,880
for this roster in the middle of the season. I'm

1373
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,960
not saying to make if Julie s Channel doesn't sign

1374
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,479
an extension, we could talk about trying to make a

1375
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,439
bigger move, but just in a vacuum where it's okay,

1376
01:09:03,880 --> 01:09:08,079
Todge Gibson isn't in Charlotte anymore, like reunion with him,

1377
01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:09,720
they would.

1378
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,159
Speaker 2: Kick the tires on a TAJ reunion one more time

1379
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:16,159
before they actually went and got an NBA center. Right now,

1380
01:09:17,079 --> 01:09:18,680
I think if there's a move for them to be made,

1381
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,319
it's that the Deuce McBride of it all. His contract

1382
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:22,800
is outstanding.

1383
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: And you can't trade any of the Villanova wild because

1384
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:27,680
at least for a year, I'm assuming like they have

1385
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:29,520
to be considered off limits.

1386
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,159
Speaker 2: You want to talk about job security if you went

1387
01:09:32,199 --> 01:09:35,720
to Villanova, like you have more job security playing for

1388
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,119
the New York Knicks than anybody in the NBA has.

1389
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:42,039
Like you want to talk about trade value rankings, like

1390
01:09:42,039 --> 01:09:44,680
like least likely to be traded. It starts with the

1391
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:47,199
four Villanova Wildcats on the Knicks, and then it's like

1392
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:48,560
Luca or Wemby.

1393
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:49,239
Speaker 1: You know.

1394
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 2: I think if there's a move the Knicks make this year,

1395
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,079
it's for a backup center. That's just the full stop.

1396
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,159
I don't think they'd go after a point guard. I

1397
01:09:58,199 --> 01:10:00,720
don't think they'd go after I've when I don't think

1398
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:03,880
they go after a wing barring some pretty significant injuries happen.

1399
01:10:05,039 --> 01:10:07,600
I think it's a the Walker Kesler of it all

1400
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,439
has made sense to me. I would need Danny ainge

1401
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:13,920
to come back to reality. But if he's willing for

1402
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,720
a center, that would be was just playing G league.

1403
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:21,600
Excuse me, Summer league basketball about to be extension eligible.

1404
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,880
If you're willing to get Duce McBride and a couple

1405
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:26,920
of picks out of it the Knicks still have left,

1406
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,279
then maybe that's the deal that can be made.

1407
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,880
Speaker 1: You would give up Deuce and those two first round

1408
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,479
picks for not both.

1409
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,319
Speaker 2: But I recognize who you're talking to, and if the

1410
01:10:35,399 --> 01:10:37,960
Knicks are desperate and Deuce is playing seven minutes a

1411
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,039
game for a team that's already got all these wings

1412
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:44,800
available and you don't have a center, like, look, there's

1413
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,960
a world that prefer Kessler over Mitch because of his

1414
01:10:48,199 --> 01:10:52,319
ability to play games. You know, it's not even trying

1415
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:54,119
to be like me and to Mitch Robinson. We're in

1416
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:56,279
here seven of the sample though you haven't played a

1417
01:10:56,279 --> 01:10:57,319
full season yet.

1418
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: I would be against them doing that in the aussee

1419
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:02,479
in just because then you just know we're never going

1420
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,760
to see the O. G. Julius Randall line up there.

1421
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 2: I'm not saying you asked in season like I think

1422
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,840
they're going as is the into the season.

1423
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: In season, Yeah, the cost honestly doesn't FaZe me because

1424
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,840
there's a chance that at least one of those Detroit

1425
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,119
slash Washington pictures doesn't convey.

1426
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,079
Speaker 2: Right it becomes two seconds, So as far as I'm concerned,

1427
01:11:25,119 --> 01:11:29,680
it's it's McBride and two seconds for Walker Kessler, who

1428
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:33,399
I assumed they'd extend. And you know you have your center.

1429
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 1: Interesting, Uh, you mentioned your only concerned about this team

1430
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:39,800
was the center position, so you don't have any other

1431
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,840
concerns about this roster?

1432
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,159
Speaker 2: What is what? A do you? What do you have?

1433
01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:45,399
I don't have another concern.

1434
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:48,359
Speaker 1: Uh, well, you seem like this is going to be combative.

1435
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,239
I worry about the playmaking on this team. I think

1436
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:55,000
they have that the guy in Jalen Brunson, of course,

1437
01:11:55,039 --> 01:11:58,359
no questions eleven to ten, no notes on Jalen Brunson.

1438
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,960
I think they have a lot of good secondary guys

1439
01:12:01,039 --> 01:12:03,159
or ball mover guys. When you're looking at Josh Hart,

1440
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:06,279
when you're looking at even mchal Bridges, Julius random kind

1441
01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:09,159
of feels sometimes like a he reminds me of like

1442
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:12,199
a like an eleventh hour path, like he'll he'll pass

1443
01:12:12,279 --> 01:12:14,479
by necessity. It's not like someone who's always looking to

1444
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:17,399
make plays for his teammates, and then it's I don't

1445
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,000
know what to make in deduce McBride of at all.

1446
01:12:19,119 --> 01:12:21,079
Tyler Kollock, of course, is a great passer. You already

1447
01:12:21,119 --> 01:12:22,880
pointed that out, but I assume that they're not going

1448
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,079
to lean on him that heavily. And so when you

1449
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:27,840
get into the half court, specifically with the minutes, maybe

1450
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,239
when Jalen Brunton is not on the floor, you can

1451
01:12:30,319 --> 01:12:32,279
roll out your best lineup that's come up with your

1452
01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:34,520
best five man lineup without Jalen Brunton, it could still

1453
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,680
be a really good lineup. I would still think there's

1454
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,960
like a playmaking the potential for there to be a

1455
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:42,079
playmaking deficit there when the offense needs to slow down.

1456
01:12:42,079 --> 01:12:43,439
I think a lot of the times when you watch

1457
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,640
the Knicks last year, including when they were shorthanded, they

1458
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,840
tried to offset that deficit by just playing at these

1459
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:51,920
ridiculous speeds or trying to make quicker decisions once they

1460
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:53,880
got to the half court. Again, that's a way to

1461
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,960
kind of combat it. But it's something that I look

1462
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,039
at this team, it's it feels like they lack that. Okay,

1463
01:12:59,039 --> 01:13:01,560
they have some slowed down creation thanks to Julius Randall,

1464
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,199
but that's not the necessarily the passing element me personally,

1465
01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:06,159
I would be looking for.

1466
01:13:07,159 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: So you don't think they could do a lot of

1467
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,880
the things they were doing with Hartenstein as a hub,

1468
01:13:12,039 --> 01:13:16,520
like moving brunts in off ball and running these warriors sets,

1469
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,600
these these blind pig actions, the Chicago gut actions that

1470
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:23,359
they were doing with Josh hart like the different things

1471
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:26,319
they were doing to create offense, not like naturally like

1472
01:13:26,359 --> 01:13:29,760
you're talking about with just here's a guy, offense runs

1473
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:31,640
through him. You don't think they could do a lot

1474
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,640
of that with Julius Randall next year in the second unit.

1475
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,039
Speaker 1: I think I would need to see more of it.

1476
01:13:37,119 --> 01:13:39,000
And you did point out how Tibbs has definitely gotten

1477
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:40,840
more innovative on the offensive end, because I think a

1478
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,039
lot of people's complaints is that the offense was too

1479
01:13:43,039 --> 01:13:45,319
stagnant at points in previous years.

1480
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:47,039
Speaker 2: Which it was, but he also had like a thought

1481
01:13:47,079 --> 01:13:49,640
of I'm just gonna kill everybody with offensive rebounding and

1482
01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,399
it worked. It just it disappeared in the playoffs, That's all.

1483
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,239
Speaker 1: I would be worried about how that ends up flying

1484
01:13:56,279 --> 01:13:59,239
against some of the better defenses in the league or

1485
01:13:59,279 --> 01:14:01,079
a fuller strength, like when you're even looking at the

1486
01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:03,840
playoffs specifically, you went up against a version of Philly

1487
01:14:03,880 --> 01:14:06,239
that was it was hobbled and you just barely beat them.

1488
01:14:06,239 --> 01:14:08,439
And then Indy, we lost too because you simply just

1489
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,800
ran out of players like it just but it wasn't

1490
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,159
this like they weren't an elite defense, like they were

1491
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:15,640
quite the opposite in fact, like throughout the regular season.

1492
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,520
And so I would be Curtsey, how that approach holds

1493
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,000
up over the course of an entire season. Yeah, sure,

1494
01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:22,920
we know what the Knicks' second units have done in

1495
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:25,359
the past as well. If Julius Rand's gonna be but

1496
01:14:25,399 --> 01:14:28,359
one teaccount and Julius Rand will be healthy and then two.

1497
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:29,960
The other bigger thing for me is how does that

1498
01:14:30,039 --> 01:14:35,119
fly in the playoffs against insert top ten deep Boston.

1499
01:14:35,159 --> 01:14:37,000
I mean, it's team was built to beat Boston, So

1500
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:40,399
what does that look like against Boston's defense if they're

1501
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:41,479
at full strength.

1502
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:46,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I gotta be honest, The Knicks offense isn't

1503
01:14:46,199 --> 01:14:47,880
my concern. If it was to be one or the other,

1504
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,800
they had the word the I know they had a

1505
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,439
one twenty defensive rating in the playoffs last year. But

1506
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,479
a lot of that was because Anonobi was off the

1507
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,600
floor for the last four game five games of the playoffs.

1508
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how to read anything we saw from

1509
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:03,800
the Knicks in the playoffs last year because they were

1510
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,600
just like people shell of themselves. So it's like it's

1511
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,239
a positive when you're looking at what they did, but

1512
01:15:09,279 --> 01:15:12,159
there's also still even questions with the positive or the negatives.

1513
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:14,039
And I see it's funny because I find myself not

1514
01:15:14,199 --> 01:15:16,319
their offensive ceiling is through the roof. In general, I

1515
01:15:16,319 --> 01:15:19,720
think largely because of Jalen Brunson and the versatility alone,

1516
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:24,439
I'm probably more I guess there's I'm still just more

1517
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,000
uneasy about what their secondary offense. When you're looking at

1518
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,680
their top lineups, I don't think they're gonna have a

1519
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:32,640
problem getting to elite defense or elite offense. It's the

1520
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:35,199
second when I start looking at the secondary lineups. To me,

1521
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,600
and I could be wrong. I recognize that I could

1522
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,279
be looking at this maybe from two surface level of

1523
01:15:39,319 --> 01:15:42,000
a perspective. It feels like they might have a harder

1524
01:15:42,039 --> 01:15:46,239
time getting to elite secondary offense than oh the defense

1525
01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:48,520
is holding up in some of those tertiary units.

1526
01:15:49,319 --> 01:15:55,079
Speaker 2: See I look at Michel now with like defenses have

1527
01:15:55,199 --> 01:16:00,640
to honor Jalen bruntson defenses have to honor Julie Randall,

1528
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:04,880
and like the shooting abilities of a de Vincenzo aducebrig

1529
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,760
Bride a an og Anobi, and it just it opens

1530
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,760
things up so much more.

1531
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,239
Speaker 1: Of not during the brunts in lineups. Just to be clear,

1532
01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:16,319
like I don't their offensive ceiling is through the roof

1533
01:16:16,319 --> 01:16:17,680
of Brunson is going to be on the floor.

1534
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,520
Speaker 2: And so I wonder if the fact that I'll just

1535
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,720
I'll say it again, the fact that the Burks and

1536
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:27,119
Bogie minutes are now mckel Bridges minutes, and if if now,

1537
01:16:27,239 --> 01:16:30,399
if I'm talking about Mickael Bridges against backups, you know,

1538
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:35,640
like that's not something I'm that afraid of. Fair Now,

1539
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,640
maybe I should be more afraid of, like if they

1540
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:42,640
stagger correctly, like against the Celtics backup unit. But I

1541
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,640
also I think they're going to be able to stagger

1542
01:16:46,039 --> 01:16:48,880
really well, fully healthy, fully healthy, I should say, but

1543
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:51,600
I think they'll be able to stagger really well when

1544
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,159
coming off the bench. For the Knicks, it's three starters

1545
01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:55,560
from last year's playoff rotation.

1546
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,159
Speaker 1: What I think to undermine. My own point would also

1547
01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:03,159
be if I'm looking at it through the postseason spectrum,

1548
01:17:03,359 --> 01:17:05,039
there's gonna be very few minutes where you have to

1549
01:17:05,079 --> 01:17:07,479
worry about your secondary lineups because it's the playoffs and

1550
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:08,319
tims as your coach.

1551
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 2: So true, but there's also like three guys that he

1552
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,520
trusts a lot that are now on the bench, like

1553
01:17:15,279 --> 01:17:16,840
you don't you know weird it's gonna be when Josh

1554
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,520
Hart plays eighteen minutes in a game at any point

1555
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,840
next year, when I'm used to him playing forty eight.

1556
01:17:22,079 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: And I still think he's checked out of there.

1557
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,359
Speaker 2: Still he's still on the MSG court right now with

1558
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:31,359
a microphone in hands, doing the roommates by, and just like, yeah,

1559
01:17:31,399 --> 01:17:33,159
coach told me I need to play ten more minutes.

1560
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,199
Speaker 1: Do you think that's gonna be an adjustment? Like? Is that?

1561
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:38,119
I guess? Could that be? Your concern is how is

1562
01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:41,680
he gonna juggle the minutes because you have three players

1563
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:46,479
now in mcal Bridges, Julius Randol and Jalen Brunson that

1564
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:49,319
you have to that you're just going to play heavy minutes.

1565
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,399
And I think you could look at it, well, maybe

1566
01:17:51,399 --> 01:17:52,640
they'll play og in and it will be a little

1567
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:54,520
bit less because of his injuries, but like, those three

1568
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,359
are gonna soak up so much of the rotation minutes

1569
01:17:57,399 --> 01:17:59,479
and because so many one because of how good they

1570
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,880
were with Oja already, but because of how important he

1571
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:05,039
is to their defensive infrastructure, with or without McHale. It's

1572
01:18:05,079 --> 01:18:07,439
almost like, oh, these are four dudes, They're gonna play

1573
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,039
a ton of minutes. And so is that the concern

1574
01:18:09,119 --> 01:18:11,079
that maybe we've overlooked of well, how are they gonna

1575
01:18:11,079 --> 01:18:14,279
figure out like how much Dante and Josh Hart are

1576
01:18:14,279 --> 01:18:15,680
going to play in these games?

1577
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,199
Speaker 2: It is a concern. I'll say that the deployment of

1578
01:18:19,239 --> 01:18:24,520
this roster will will matter. From everything you hear. Tips

1579
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,720
is big into lineup data, and I'm confident in the

1580
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,720
lineup that we talked about. And I think the I

1581
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:36,199
think the way you you make up for the fact

1582
01:18:36,199 --> 01:18:38,840
that these guys are now backups is you don't need

1583
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,399
a true center at all times. So that I think

1584
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:43,560
is a way. Yeah, that is the way, because there's

1585
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:46,000
twenty four available minutes. There. If mitter Robinson is a

1586
01:18:46,039 --> 01:18:50,560
twenty four minute player, right impresses it, you plays twenty

1587
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:53,560
four normally twenty four minutes as a backup center. If

1588
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:57,000
that's not one hundred percent working, and you've got eight

1589
01:18:57,039 --> 01:19:00,079
minutes a night where Anonobe's your center or guarding center

1590
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:03,800
and Julius is playing one on is the matched up

1591
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,199
against the center on the other side of the floor, Like,

1592
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:10,079
I think that could be extremely successful. And that's how

1593
01:19:10,119 --> 01:19:13,800
you get an extra eight minutes or so where for

1594
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:17,399
Anonobi or for Devincenzo, or for Hard or for whomever

1595
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:20,079
you know. And that's how you work around it.

1596
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:24,039
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, might just be beneficial to Josh Hard

1597
01:19:24,079 --> 01:19:25,600
to not have to play as many minutes as he

1598
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:26,199
did last year.

1599
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe. Now what's funny is like we got to

1600
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:31,000
Game six of the playoffs when he was playing forty

1601
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,960
minutes a night for three months before it actually wore

1602
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,079
on him apparently, and it I mean he got elbowed

1603
01:19:36,119 --> 01:19:37,920
in the stomach and that's what caused it. Now, who

1604
01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:44,479
knows if he was like ready to pop what. Look,

1605
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,199
the Knicks are now at a place where they have

1606
01:19:47,279 --> 01:19:51,039
extreme depth and they have again the best collection of

1607
01:19:51,079 --> 01:19:55,079
talent that I've seen since the nineties, and I'm very

1608
01:19:55,119 --> 01:19:57,920
optimistic about them, especially if deployed correctly, which I'm confident

1609
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:58,479
they will be.

1610
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: Anything else else I didn't ask you about that you

1611
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,039
think needs to be discussed before I let you skidada.

1612
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:06,119
Speaker 2: Well, I'll ask you how many wins would you say

1613
01:20:06,199 --> 01:20:07,199
the next win next season.

1614
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:10,760
Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten into my record projections yet. I'd

1615
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:14,399
probably say off rip. I would think like fifty four

1616
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,720
feels like the number to settle into. I think it

1617
01:20:17,239 --> 01:20:20,319
there won't be the East. The bottom of the East

1618
01:20:20,359 --> 01:20:22,279
is still the bottom of the East. But when you

1619
01:20:22,319 --> 01:20:26,319
look at having it, assuming some teams relatively healthy, like Indy,

1620
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,720
if Tyres Haliburton's healthier this year, they've gone through a

1621
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,359
training camp with Siakam Orlando just getting organically better and

1622
01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:35,520
they ad KCP. If Miami's a little bit healthier. I

1623
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:37,079
don't view them as a real threat, but they're a

1624
01:20:37,079 --> 01:20:39,079
team that can put like if Jimmy Butler and Tyler

1625
01:20:39,079 --> 01:20:41,279
Herro were playing in more games than they did last year.

1626
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,800
So like fifty four fifty five feels like that. I

1627
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:45,560
haven't even looked at their I try not to look

1628
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,199
at over unders until we actually do them. But that

1629
01:20:48,359 --> 01:20:51,600
feels like to me fair and it does. Just knowing

1630
01:20:52,359 --> 01:20:55,640
some weird stuff with Randall last year, with his availability,

1631
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,479
but just knowing that Og is going to miss time,

1632
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,239
Mitchell Robinson is going to miss time, and I'm kind

1633
01:21:00,279 --> 01:21:02,840
of just caking in, Like you have these billboards of

1634
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,359
durability elsewhere, like one of them is probably going to

1635
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,600
miss sometime. I would guess that's why, Like I guess

1636
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:10,720
sixty fifty seven, fifty eight, fifteen ice on out of

1637
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:12,960
the question, because of who this team is. It's not

1638
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,640
just tims By the way, Like that whole availability thing

1639
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:17,880
play as much as I can is ingrained into the

1640
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:20,920
fabric of the players. I think like fifty four is

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01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,439
probably the number. Okay, what do you actually have them at?

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01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:25,000
Is it sixty?

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01:21:25,079 --> 01:21:26,680
Speaker 2: Is that I have sixty to twenty two as the

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01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:29,720
record for next season. I think there's there's just so

1645
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:31,359
many teams in the East that are not going to

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01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,399
try to win basketball games next year, especially compared to

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01:21:34,399 --> 01:21:38,840
the West, and they won fifty games last year with

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01:21:40,119 --> 01:21:43,000
no Like the health of Van Andob's gonna matter obviously,

1649
01:21:43,239 --> 01:21:47,600
and like I could look really silly if he if

1650
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,399
he like suddenly misses four months of the season, which

1651
01:21:51,239 --> 01:21:53,560
for his injury history, I'm not going to completely rule

1652
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:56,760
it out, but they just don't lose when he plays

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01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,399
and now they add added Michel Bridges. So I'm I'm

1654
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:04,640
very bullish on this team, and like I just we'll

1655
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,640
wrap up here. You know. The five times they lost

1656
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:10,119
with Ananobi, like what had to happen. Like the first

1657
01:22:10,119 --> 01:22:13,640
time was a loss to the Mavericks on the road

1658
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,439
where Luca didn't play, and Josh Hart spoke to it

1659
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,960
during the finals because he was on the telecast, and

1660
01:22:19,039 --> 01:22:22,680
he said, like, we showed up Luca's not playing. Oh,

1661
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:25,199
we got this, and they sleep walked through the first

1662
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,960
two quarters and they got back into it in the

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01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:30,319
fourth and they were rebound away from time to game.

1664
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:36,560
The next lost was MLKY Mattina that Jalen Brunson didn't

1665
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,399
play in. The next loss was Ogi's first game back,

1666
01:22:39,399 --> 01:22:41,039
which is the second night of a back to back.

1667
01:22:41,079 --> 01:22:45,000
They had to go New York to Chicago and the

1668
01:22:45,039 --> 01:22:47,720
Bulls went to a oh and Josh Hart got ejected

1669
01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:50,319
in the first quarter for kicking somebody in the head.

1670
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:52,600
Those are the only three regular season losses the Knicks

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01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,439
had again with Og Andnobi in the lineup. Then the

1672
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:58,439
two playoff losses and Bead had to have fifty points

1673
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:00,279
in a game he should have been ejected than the

1674
01:23:00,279 --> 01:23:05,199
first quarter and MAXI when thermonuclear at the end of

1675
01:23:05,239 --> 01:23:07,439
Game five and the Knicks were up six with thirty

1676
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:10,600
seconds left, and blew it Like I could argue all

1677
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,279
five or games the Knicks could have won, and I'm

1678
01:23:13,279 --> 01:23:15,039
not going to because you obviously have to lose games

1679
01:23:15,079 --> 01:23:17,640
when you have a player. But that's just my confidence.

1680
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,800
They don't lose when they have an Andobi and now

1681
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:24,279
they also have mikel Bridges. I think it's a justified

1682
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:28,840
arrogance probably, but a confidence and the ability of this team.

1683
01:23:29,039 --> 01:23:31,399
Speaker 1: No, it's it's not an arrogance. I guess like I

1684
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,119
was so much higher on Isaiah Hartenstein five minutes than

1685
01:23:35,119 --> 01:23:38,279
Mitchell Robinson five man minutes that I think there's also

1686
01:23:38,359 --> 01:23:40,680
the chance that I know I just said Mitchell Robinson

1687
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:42,439
will miss time, which well, I do think would hurt

1688
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,680
their defense probably, but I'm like sometimes like that's not

1689
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,319
maybe the worst outcome in the world, because then it

1690
01:23:47,319 --> 01:23:49,960
does for at that point if Mitchell Robinson's not available,

1691
01:23:50,319 --> 01:23:52,640
It's okay, Jericho Simms will play. We know Tim's will,

1692
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,239
We'll pull that club out of his bag. But where

1693
01:23:55,239 --> 01:23:57,039
out you going? Tim's like it's random and over. You're

1694
01:23:57,079 --> 01:23:57,720
gonna have to like.

1695
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 2: It's staring right at you. This Draymond the five like

1696
01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:05,680
they've lost David Lee and created the death lineup as

1697
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:06,399
we now know it.

1698
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 1: This is disingenuous because of how injured Og and Randall

1699
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,800
were and basically played no time together. But do you

1700
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,279
know how much time in terms of possessions they spent

1701
01:24:14,319 --> 01:24:16,439
on the court without a big last year?

1702
01:24:17,239 --> 01:24:18,319
Speaker 2: Is it zero minutes?

1703
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 1: Two possessions?

1704
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,239
Speaker 2: Two possessions and I don't remember them.

1705
01:24:22,279 --> 01:24:24,279
Speaker 1: They are like over for Dex season. If anyone we

1706
01:24:24,359 --> 01:24:25,840
want to do optimism, I'll take the over on them.

1707
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 2: I'll take over two possessions next year too.

1708
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,039
Speaker 1: If anyone's aggrieved by me not going to fifty five

1709
01:24:31,039 --> 01:24:34,119
to sixty wins for the Knicks, just think about, like

1710
01:24:34,359 --> 01:24:37,479
this is the discussion we're having. Are the Knicks gonna

1711
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:39,760
win sixty games? Are they gonna be just the second

1712
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,359
best team in the East. There's invariably gonna be someone

1713
01:24:42,359 --> 01:24:45,079
that thinks that I'm too It's I always get accuse.

1714
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,039
Speaker 2: The internet works that way. I agree with you, but like, you're.

1715
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,359
Speaker 1: Probably too low at sixty. If someone told you, like sixty,

1716
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:51,239
what was the there?

1717
01:24:51,279 --> 01:24:53,119
Speaker 2: Do you not think sixty seven is what was.

1718
01:24:53,079 --> 01:24:56,479
Speaker 1: The hashtag wins A KFC last year was three three?

1719
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:58,359
So what's the number this year? Is it sixty three?

1720
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 2: Is it? Roberts switched it to hashtag the chip Like

1721
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,880
now it's not about wins and losses. We're just we're

1722
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:05,920
gonna win the championship.

1723
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: I want someone to start hashtag seventy four just they're

1724
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:11,000
gonna one up the twenty sixteen Warriors.

1725
01:25:11,159 --> 01:25:15,239
Speaker 2: Listen, if I come back here and they're like forty

1726
01:25:15,279 --> 01:25:17,840
and five, then you better believe I'm gonna be talking

1727
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:20,800
hashtag seventy four wins, okay, which I don't think they

1728
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,399
will be. I don't think they will be. That's always

1729
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:23,680
way they're gonna lose find games.

1730
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,159
Speaker 1: Just knowing and it's not just Tims, but just knowing

1731
01:25:26,199 --> 01:25:28,319
who's on this roster, and if they ever got I

1732
01:25:28,319 --> 01:25:30,479
would almost be concerned if they were that good, because

1733
01:25:30,479 --> 01:25:32,319
then I know that they're gonna kill themselves trying to

1734
01:25:32,359 --> 01:25:35,279
get to seventy four wins. I'm like, dude, just open

1735
01:25:35,359 --> 01:25:38,239
this season like nine and nine and then take off

1736
01:25:38,279 --> 01:25:40,600
or something so that we can we can ensure that's

1737
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:42,439
not gonna happen. I want to make sure everyone's healthy

1738
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,359
and has energy by the end of the season.

1739
01:25:44,399 --> 01:25:45,600
Speaker 2: There you go, There you go.

1740
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,359
Speaker 1: Uh, Claudio, this was great as a GMAC who is

1741
01:25:48,399 --> 01:25:49,720
now gonna call you because now that I know it's

1742
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:51,359
the wrong pronunciation, it makes me want to say it

1743
01:25:51,359 --> 01:25:53,920
even more. Gmac, thank you so much for your time.

1744
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:56,000
As always, everyone should already know with the number of

1745
01:25:56,039 --> 01:25:57,840
times you've been on this podcast and with just how

1746
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:02,119
fucking ubiquitous Knicks Film School is in the NBA lexicon,

1747
01:26:02,199 --> 01:26:04,039
Can you just tell everyone where they can find you

1748
01:26:04,119 --> 01:26:07,279
and all the fan fantastic work that you guys do.

1749
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:11,359
Speaker 2: Thank you for Vali as always for having me on.

1750
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,840
I always love talking ball with you. I always love

1751
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,720
talking NIX with you, So thank you for having me on.

1752
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:19,439
You can find me My Twitter is down there, but

1753
01:26:19,479 --> 01:26:22,159
if you're listening Andrew J. Claudio underscore on all of

1754
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:27,119
my social media, both Instagram and Twitter, you could find

1755
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:30,279
Nick's Film School wherever. Podcasts are available on our YouTube

1756
01:26:30,359 --> 01:26:34,000
channel obviously our Patreon, which was mentioned. We have a

1757
01:26:34,039 --> 01:26:38,920
newsletter on substack Jumpatan Macuri writes very well, and I

1758
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,600
think that's it, and I guess on social we're at

1759
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:48,199
Nick Film School skool because we're cool like that and

1760
01:26:48,479 --> 01:26:51,039
as always a film school with the k So you

1761
01:26:51,039 --> 01:26:56,079
know what happened the original Knicks Film School account back

1762
01:26:56,079 --> 01:26:58,279
in twenty nineteen because Nix Film School should started. It

1763
01:26:58,279 --> 01:26:59,960
was just an aggregation Twitter account.

1764
01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:02,680
Speaker 1: No, I don't remember that, dude.

1765
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 2: It got suspended the day, the day that Katie and

1766
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:10,800
Kyrie went to Brooklyn. It was an omen so that morning,

1767
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,000
the Knicks Film School Twitter account gets suspended, and I

1768
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,840
guess back then it was Ramsey decided. Nope, Knicks Film

1769
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,399
School's suspended. It was because of like some not non

1770
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:23,600
royalty free music from a breakdown two years earlier. That

1771
01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:27,600
does like like four people liked or noticed, and that

1772
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:31,600
account got suspended, and so when it got restarted, it

1773
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,159
was as this with s k O L because the

1774
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:36,920
other one, Knick's Film School, was not available.

1775
01:27:38,119 --> 01:27:40,079
Speaker 1: I always love hearing about the KFS roots.

1776
01:27:40,359 --> 01:27:42,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, the origin story exactly.

1777
01:27:42,279 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 1: Happy belated anniversary, happy daylight the early birthday, but almost

1778
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:49,279
smack dab on your birthday since that's coming up. Enjoy it.

1779
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,239
Always appreciate your time, love your work, and you do

1780
01:27:51,279 --> 01:27:52,640
over there and I will talk to you soon. Mister

1781
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:53,680
Claudio is there.

1782
01:27:53,800 --> 01:28:02,239
Speaker 2: Thank you. This smell long A

1783
01:28:04,119 --> 01:28:04,359
Speaker 1: Col