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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us. And I'm Stephen, and.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a podcast all about the weird and wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>world of the dark comedy anthology series Inside number nine.

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<v Speaker 1>On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Pemberton and Reese Shearsmith's twisted tales, putting it under

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<v Speaker 1>a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.

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<v Speaker 2>So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea, and

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<v Speaker 2>join us for the ninth degree.

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, No, let me say that again. That was really camp.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying a sort of injective bit of energy and then.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like hello, speaking yes exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I can go on as an outtake, hello.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, Hello, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I was gonna say ticking along, but I said

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<v Speaker 1>it every week.

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<v Speaker 2>We have such thrilling lives, don't I know? What have

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<v Speaker 2>you been at to? Anything exciting?

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<v Speaker 1>Took my partner to the theater at the weekend for

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<v Speaker 1>his birthday present. Went to see Waitress, Oh Nice, one

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<v Speaker 1>of his top favorite musicals and it also starred his

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<v Speaker 1>one of his favorite performers, carry Oute Fletcher.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard of her, Yes, I don't know who she is,

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<v Speaker 2>but her.

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<v Speaker 1>She is Tom Fletcher of mcflyer's sister.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, I didn't, Yes, I remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Yeah, and yeah, he absolutely like worships her for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason. I mean she was very good, good.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I don't know anything about it. I assume

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<v Speaker 2>it's about a waitress, but it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's based on a film actually, as

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of musicals are these days. But is it's

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<v Speaker 1>set in America and a diner and this waitress who's

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<v Speaker 1>in an abusive marriage and she's got no money, and

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<v Speaker 1>then she finds out she's pregnant, and it's like she

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<v Speaker 1>wants to sort of find a way to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>escape this horrible life for the baby and for her

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. So sounds quite miserable when you get that.

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<v Speaker 1>But there, it's a lovely show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you're enjoying the very sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>Country vibes to it, which he loves as well. So good,

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<v Speaker 1>how about you.

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<v Speaker 2>No, not a lot of hair, No nothing exciting, No

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<v Speaker 2>games like look forward to this weekends? That would be fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's good, but nothing nothing at the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Shall we reveal last week's hair?

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, it was one of yours? Yes, did a little dumpling,

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<v Speaker 2>but no, it was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a good time, just you know, coming in

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<v Speaker 1>and sitting on the carpet singing, Hey diddle diddle dumplings

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<v Speaker 1>and gravy in the lunch hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Weldne thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really curious with these sort of much slightly more

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<v Speaker 1>obscure ones if they become easier to get or harder

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<v Speaker 1>to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, message in, let us know how you find that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's no. I did get a few messages about

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<v Speaker 1>the Bernie Clifton's dressing room one. Oh good, someone said,

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<v Speaker 1>oh fiendishly audacious hair this week or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a really good one.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, we're here this week for Well You tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Us, Series seven, Episode three, nine Lives Cat hard as nails.

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<v Speaker 2>Detective Inspector Katrina, a divorce and single mum, is determined

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<v Speaker 2>to crack the case of a missing boy. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>also her drinking, her love life, and her in a

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<v Speaker 2>demon's She doesn't want help, but it turns up anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>That sums up the whole episode and leaves nothing out.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't it. Just yeah, yeah, in it's your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my thoughts are quite complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, right, like, yeah, same.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I appreciate it and I think it's clever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but do I enjoy it is another question.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sort of the same. I'm not really sure that

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<v Speaker 2>she's going to go today.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we shall see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I like it for what it's doing, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>how different it is. Well, I think it's well executed.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure, but I get very confused, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to sound thick, but yeah, oh no, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't think so. I think, you know, sometimes we sort

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<v Speaker 1>of dance about show, we talk about the twist or not,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think we'll just sort of be yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think for me, I think what I find

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<v Speaker 1>difficult about it is because of the nature of it

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<v Speaker 1>that you've got a story within a story within a

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<v Speaker 1>story of you know, these layers of characters and fakeness.

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<v Speaker 1>Each layer has to be a little bit more two

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<v Speaker 1>dimensional to make it work with the structure. Yes, so

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<v Speaker 1>when especially when you start with Katrina and it's like

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<v Speaker 1>she's the innermost Russian doll of this these fictional characters,

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<v Speaker 1>She's so two dimensions. And I know that's the whole point.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they make her two dimensional and cliched, but

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<v Speaker 1>I just it just as you're watching it, it's very

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<v Speaker 1>hard to connect and sort of care.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially when it's only one character that's that bottom level. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>someone that was a bit new to this and didn't

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<v Speaker 2>real No, this is your first ever episode, you might

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<v Speaker 2>go yes, well she said, why if they hired her?

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<v Speaker 1>She's awful exactly, And obviously when you get to the end,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of look back and you think, oh, that

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense and that's quite clever. Yeah, but I just think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I said, it's hard. It's kind of hard to

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<v Speaker 1>watch and not particularly enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Sophie that plays Katrina. They've been trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>hers since like series three or something, and she's just

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<v Speaker 2>too busy, Like, yeah, couldn't get her in. And then

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<v Speaker 2>Steve apparently apologized to her, being like, we're really sorry

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<v Speaker 2>that we finally got you in to do this and

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<v Speaker 2>you've got such a cliche character, and she's like, I've

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<v Speaker 2>played worse, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>But also she's quite I think she's quite good casting

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<v Speaker 1>because she seems like the sort of actress that you

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<v Speaker 1>would get to play like a that sort of detective

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<v Speaker 1>character in an ITV drama or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I can totally see it. Yeah, yeah, sort of grizzled,

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<v Speaker 2>struggling with Drake goalie sorts of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because yeah, on first few week that's what I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we think we're watching and is some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>drama about this disgraced detective.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so ITV And that's not in a good way.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I was gonna say, is that a compliment or not? No?

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<v Speaker 2>No. And the fact that later they're pitching to ITV

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<v Speaker 2>for the filming rights of.

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<v Speaker 1>It, well, I feel like it tv is always uses

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a punchline on BBC shows, Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>vice versa.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably probably.

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<v Speaker 1>I always remember that bit in Doctor Whom Blink when

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<v Speaker 1>they say about Sparrow and Nightingale the game ITV is.

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<v Speaker 1>I find it curious that she puts Coca pops in

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<v Speaker 1>the cat bowl. M m, yes, she just doesn't care.

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<v Speaker 2>She doesn't care. Plus, I wonder if it's a nod

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<v Speaker 2>to the author has researched her that little that he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't he's not even research the fact that cats are

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<v Speaker 2>allergic to chocolate and this would kill the cat. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that was intentional or whether it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just is that true? I thought that was just dogs.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's cats and dogs apparently, is it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've had cats on my life, but I've never

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<v Speaker 1>fed them chocolates, so I haven't had to worry about it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>there is actually any chocolate in Coca pops, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Something chocolate is adjacent, something pretending to be chocolate. Yeah. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously it's just the thing of like her kitchen only

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<v Speaker 1>literally has cocoa pops and vodka in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that has to make do. Yeah, that would be awful.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine that being nice.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but it is. It is that kind of cliche,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it of Like, yeah, it's like a sad, pathetic

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<v Speaker 1>life that she's sitting there eating Coca Pops in vodka.

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<v Speaker 2>At least get Bailey's.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I do quite like how so Steve appears,

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<v Speaker 1>and he appears like quite a lot throughout these first scenes,

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of talking to her, And I like the

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<v Speaker 1>way that he's introduced, like we're not told who he

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<v Speaker 1>is and we just have.

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<v Speaker 2>To infer and he's just there.

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<v Speaker 1>You obviously assume he's like a colleague mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And the fact that he just appears and that

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<v Speaker 2>no one questions it as well, Yeah exactly is a

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<v Speaker 2>bit unnerving. Yeah, yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose Yeah, on first viewing, one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>you might be wondering is is this one of those

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<v Speaker 1>stories maybe a bit like Twelve Days of Christine where yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're sort of you're dipping in and out and like

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<v Speaker 1>she's having blackouts and you don't really know like you're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing it from her perspective, but is she missing huge

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<v Speaker 1>chunks when he says about, oh, you know, I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen you for months, yeah, and she says it was

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<v Speaker 1>only the other day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they're playing on the fact that you're

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<v Speaker 2>connected to Twelve Days of Christine. Yeah, and assume there's

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<v Speaker 2>some there's something a bit more realistic going on, not

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<v Speaker 2>so abstract. Yeah, And the fact that he never it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like he's interrogating her the whole time, Like he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't actually say anything himself, Like everything is just him bouncing.

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<v Speaker 1>Off with about her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he doesn't add anything new to the conversation. It's

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<v Speaker 2>all what she has to say, saying he then responds

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is it is a nice one for a

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<v Speaker 1>rewatch in that way, when you know from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>he's the author, well supposedly within this area, he's the

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<v Speaker 1>author and the questions he's asking because you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>can sort of see that, you know, writers having almost

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<v Speaker 1>a dialogue with their own characters.

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<v Speaker 2>What would you say right now? Kind of yeah, when

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<v Speaker 2>you've got the writer's block and you don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>to say next, you can imagine them imagining the conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>which is essentially what's happening here.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got Kidney Spears and David Mawi.

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<v Speaker 2>I love a good pun. I like them. I like

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<v Speaker 2>them a bit of a mouthful. But well, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>we just get yet more just more stock cliche. It's

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<v Speaker 2>such a basic story that she's living through here, of

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<v Speaker 2>missing child, blah blah blah blah blah, like the lack

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<v Speaker 2>of imagination. It's crazy, it's very basic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've also written down just like almost every line

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<v Speaker 1>she says, it's a cliche.

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<v Speaker 2>M hm, none of it's original. No, even to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where she quotes prime she says the word prime suspect.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, And then on a second watch, she realized,

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<v Speaker 2>but Ezra's I'd rather be helping with our inquiries, like

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather use a better word than that, because yes.

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<v Speaker 1>To be fair, like, you know, an actress of Sophie's

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<v Speaker 1>caliber and then giving her this kind of part. But

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<v Speaker 1>she does do it very well, like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of oh yeah, like.

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<v Speaker 1>We said, all the cliched lines and stuff, like she

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<v Speaker 1>she gives them conviction, but also with a slight sense

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<v Speaker 1>of this is so crap.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that it works both ways of yeah, just all

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<v Speaker 1>A good choice having it be a police thing because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of crossover there of like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>researching people and creating characters, the kind of a little crossover.

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<v Speaker 2>Because ultimately until a good chunk of police work is

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 1>I like how she tells her the story about keeping

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<v Speaker 1>like that thing of write what you know and like

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<v Speaker 2>the daughter, how old you reckon? The daughter would have been? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>The way she says it, remember when you lost your

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<v Speaker 2>teeth and blah blah blah. Oh, I see she's kid,

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't would barely have even started losing teeth this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that's a very good one. Just things that

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't You don't really notice it on the first one.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't twig it now, but it's just another thing

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<v Speaker 1>is very creepy. Yeah, there's this like scary moment where

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<v Speaker 2>I don't get this, but I don't get that. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what that's.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem to fit.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's one of those things that they just put

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<v Speaker 2>in to throw you off, yes, and to make it creepy,

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<v Speaker 2>but that doesn't actually have a resolution later that makes

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<v Speaker 2>it make sense. No, it's a bit like the eggs

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<v Speaker 2>in Twelve Days of Christine, but they have a purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose Ezra was just maybe trying an idea out.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll say there was a twig banging at his window

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<v Speaker 2>or something while he was asleep, and he wrote into

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but so yeah, we get this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of repeating thing of her waking up suddenly, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like I think we're supposed to probably think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>new day, but it almost feels like, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a second, this is another draft. Now he's trying it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Like with differences.

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<v Speaker 2>He's taken out of the drawer and having another bash it. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>see if he can make it better.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you can imagine him being like, oh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I quite like the waking up from a nightmare thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll keep that, yeah, but then we'll do it a

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<v Speaker 1>bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The evidence is all gone from.

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<v Speaker 2>The wall because he's realized maybe even that's too cliched.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, he's not been thinking about this project basically.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think her waking up maybe is the idea waking up

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<v Speaker 1>in his head again of you know, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>I could do something with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I took it that it was opening the drawer

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<v Speaker 2>up again and like, yeah, when he opens the drawer,

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<v Speaker 2>she wakes back up again. Can I say? Yeah. The

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<v Speaker 2>thing that really struck me on this and they talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it in the podcast, So I was validated when

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<v Speaker 2>when they said, how, how like the Legal Gentleman film

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<v Speaker 2>it is oh yes, so yeah, so they said that

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<v Speaker 2>the film and this episode kind of come from the

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<v Speaker 2>same sort of origin point of what if the writers

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<v Speaker 2>met their characters?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I really love that idea, yeah, in general, and.

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<v Speaker 2>How it was kind of quite original at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>back at League of Gentlemen Times anyway. Yeah, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>Steve said, imagine if he came back to the office

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<v Speaker 2>and said he'd just seen Pauline and Budgeons, Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>like it looked like Pauline, No, it was Pauline, Like

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<v Speaker 2>what would happen? Yes, and yeah, so they decided to

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<v Speaker 2>us that off again and use that here, Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>thought it might work quite well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, it's a bit of a tangent, but

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<v Speaker 1>that was genius in that film because like you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the extra layer there of obviously them being the actors

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the writers that portray them. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>they portray multiple characters, and so it's it's really bizarre

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<v Speaker 1>having this sort of character that exists and does look

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<v Speaker 1>like the writer and the performer in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>is their own distinct person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very trippy and.

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<v Speaker 2>The characters finding out, like her Lip for example, that

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<v Speaker 2>his whole reason for being is the butt of a

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<v Speaker 2>joke exactly. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very metai and very very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they said that they did consider doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>They just thought it would be funny to add another

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<v Speaker 2>layer on and have it that Matilda wakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Up and step Yeah. I was thinking that they should

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<v Speaker 1>have done it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that would have worked really well. Of

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<v Speaker 2>like a knock on the door or something and Reese

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<v Speaker 2>is there and you pull back and it's Steve, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>answering the door and all of these characters. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you could, even if you want, have had like throwing

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<v Speaker 2>tubs and Edward or random other characters just running around

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<v Speaker 2>this house. You could have actually, yeah, and imagining that

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<v Speaker 2>they live with these characters full time. Yeah, that would

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<v Speaker 2>have been interesting just in the last sort of thirty seconds,

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<v Speaker 2>not even thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>But I definitely do think a final shot, at least

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<v Speaker 1>of just recently being the final kind of layer of

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<v Speaker 1>the cake, Yeah, would have been cool because that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of I guess that's kind of implied anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>In a way. Yeah, Yeah, I think they should have

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<v Speaker 2>done that. Personally. Yeah, I can see why people might

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<v Speaker 2>say it's a bit cheesier or.

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<v Speaker 1>It's jumping the shark a little bit. Yeah, but no,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it would have been a nice touch.

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<v Speaker 2>But I agree. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're then introduced to Reese's character barnabas Bull Barnabas Ball.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's just trying to.

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<v Speaker 2>Say yeah, I don't know how what it is about

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<v Speaker 2>certain names that do just sound made up. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>that just it just sounds like a character. It doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>No one has that name.

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<v Speaker 1>It does.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no reason why they couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>But exactly some do just sound a bit over like

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<v Speaker 1>thought about.

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose the alliteration always helps.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, So he's introduced as a colleague that they

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<v Speaker 1>had supposedly she has a love hate relationship with. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>although she doesn't really know who he is. He's literally

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<v Speaker 1>just been introduced. So yeah, there's lots lots of hints

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<v Speaker 1>that things aren't what they seem.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you might not have worked out why, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know something weird is going on. Yeah. Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 2>seven series into this thing. We know there's something weird

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<v Speaker 2>going on.

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<v Speaker 1>So he is written as a kind of well, they

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<v Speaker 1>call him a bit spectrumy mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Thoughts on this. I don't know whether this is acceptable,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's.

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<v Speaker 1>What well, I think you can get They can get

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<v Speaker 1>away with it because it's a story within a story

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<v Speaker 1>within a story, So it's like that type of it's like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because when you realize that Ezra isn't even real,

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<v Speaker 1>he's written autistic stereotype as a character because that's something

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<v Speaker 1>people do, but it's it's exaggerated to the nth degree

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<v Speaker 1>or the ninth degree. Even so, yeah, I do find

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<v Speaker 1>it a bit. The thing I don't like is when

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<v Speaker 1>she calls it unspecified mental illness because he says spectromy

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<v Speaker 1>so we're obviously talking about autism, which is not a

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<v Speaker 1>mental illness.

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<v Speaker 2>True.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was the one thing I took issue with

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<v Speaker 1>was her saying mental illness. But I know what she

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<v Speaker 1>means about unspecified. It's like you get a lot of characters,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, Sheldon Big Bang Theory.

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<v Speaker 2>Where they just pick the bits they want.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that he is.

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<v Speaker 2>He is very funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the bit when she says I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>think and he says, well, strictly speaking or thinking is subconscious.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't try to think. And that reminded me of

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<v Speaker 1>someone I think who him superedantic like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who you're talking about. Let's move on quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>I also liked when he left the room and Zra

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<v Speaker 1>when he's quite a care it's like, well he's quite

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<v Speaker 1>a character, but he's also a character.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's something people say.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>They said in the podcast that Barnabas is based on

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<v Speaker 2>Sargana Wren. Have you ever watched The Bridge? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, is that the Scandinavian.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's very good, very good, Okay, but yeah, she

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<v Speaker 2>is that stock in inverted columns spectrum type of character, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>of unspecified whatever. I think she was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>first like main like big, big what like that type

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<v Speaker 2>of character. I know. Obviously Sherlock Holmes you can argue

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<v Speaker 2>as well, but yeah, I think he was the one.

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<v Speaker 2>She was one of the ones. The modern day ones

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<v Speaker 2>ye have made it famous and then they started doing

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<v Speaker 2>having lots of those types of characters.

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<v Speaker 1>But it makes sense because you know, pattern recognition and

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<v Speaker 1>everything like it just it does kind of make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>You do kind of notice things.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It feels almost a bit lazy though

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<v Speaker 2>as the writer that you just go, oh, well, this

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<v Speaker 2>person can spot all these things. Oh yeah, And it

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<v Speaker 2>means I don't have to worry about like putting in

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<v Speaker 2>clever bits because they can just work it all out.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, that's why I think it works well on

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<v Speaker 1>this level of the thing that we're in in this

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<v Speaker 1>because it's deep down in that it's it's a parody

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<v Speaker 1>of a parody of a parody almost, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it loses all its nuance at this point exactly.

427
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's like I said at the beginning, like

428
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<v Speaker 1>that's that's kind of why I find it hard to

429
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<v Speaker 1>watch and get on with it, because it's it is

430
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<v Speaker 1>just so m like yeah, like two dimensions, one dimensional even,

431
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<v Speaker 1>you know, like.

432
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for a series where they're so known for their

433
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<v Speaker 2>character work, exactly.

434
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<v Speaker 1>And I know, you know, people could think I'm talking

435
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<v Speaker 1>rubbish because that's the whole point. And I know that's

436
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<v Speaker 1>the whole point, and it all makes sense when it

437
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<v Speaker 1>gets the twist comes through at the end. But I'm

438
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<v Speaker 1>just saying from a point of view of actually sitting

439
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<v Speaker 1>down and watching it, it's a bit like it's not

440
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<v Speaker 1>gonna lie.

441
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<v Speaker 2>It's a little bit of a slog a bit like

442
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<v Speaker 2>Galen in oh yeah exactly, thinking out loud. How yeah,

443
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<v Speaker 2>he's just like this stereotype character exactly, like deliberately bad. Yeah,

444
00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:09.200
<v Speaker 2>it's like not do this accent like no, no you can.

445
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<v Speaker 1>But intentional And the fact that it's intentional is very clever,

446
00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:16.359
<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't make it any less gratings. Watch, Yeah,

447
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<v Speaker 1>so this next section is quite interesting actually, where she

448
00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:23.519
<v Speaker 1>starts to she really starts to question her surroundings and

449
00:21:23.559 --> 00:21:25.920
<v Speaker 1>start to think a lot of this is not making sense,

450
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<v Speaker 1>and that must be you know, for someone who, yes,

451
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<v Speaker 1>she's a fictional character, but she doesn't know that, she

452
00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:34.000
<v Speaker 1>thinks she's real. Yeah, that's quite scary.

453
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I started to wonder whether it was

454
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<v Speaker 2>some sort of the chef Alzheimer's or exactly something like that.

455
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<v Speaker 2>This is how it's presenting, we're being presented.

456
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<v Speaker 1>It, mm hmm.

457
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just literally that is we bothered to imagine

458
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<v Speaker 2>any more of her house than he absolutely has to exactly.

459
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I suppose you know, Okay, he hasn't flushed

460
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<v Speaker 1>her out very much because he's just experimenting at this stage.

461
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<v Speaker 1>But any fictional character is never going to be as

462
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<v Speaker 1>fleshed out as a real human being. No, So you know,

463
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<v Speaker 1>any if any character this happened to them they discovered

464
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<v Speaker 1>they were a character, it would be the same, wouldn't

465
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<v Speaker 1>It would be like yeah, it's like I tell you

466
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<v Speaker 1>what it reminded me of. And again going down to

467
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<v Speaker 1>a doctor who tangents. Sorry listeners, if you're not into

468
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<v Speaker 1>doctor I.

469
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<v Speaker 2>Know where you're going.

470
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<v Speaker 1>But Forest of the Dead yes with Donna. Yes, I

471
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<v Speaker 1>love that episode and that the moment when you know

472
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<v Speaker 1>she people starts pointing out to her that you know,

473
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<v Speaker 1>your children aren't real and stuff, and she's sort of

474
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<v Speaker 1>she's very resistant to it, but then they you know

475
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<v Speaker 1>that she can't, they just disappear. Yeah. Then it reminded

476
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<v Speaker 1>me of that.

477
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, also a Steve episode.

478
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<v Speaker 1>Weirdly, oh yes, but yeah, I can't imagine. It's a

479
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<v Speaker 1>very cool idea, this thing of a character becoming aware

480
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<v Speaker 1>that they're a character.

481
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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. It's like what's the most, what's the most

482
00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:53.200
<v Speaker 2>they ever could get away with it? Like, no writer

483
00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:55.640
<v Speaker 2>is ever going to a filled in in their mind

484
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<v Speaker 2>on the paper. I guess it's got to literally be

485
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<v Speaker 2>written on the paper as well for her to know it,

486
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<v Speaker 2>like what's in every cupboard of the kitchen?

487
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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, but no, I think even even what you're

488
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<v Speaker 1>saying there, but even if it's in their head like you,

489
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<v Speaker 1>I don't think the human brain is capable of creating

490
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<v Speaker 1>a whole real life no, so.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Not less asked no, like specifically what's in this cupboard?

492
00:23:16.759 --> 00:23:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then you'd have to think of it you know, yeah,

493
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<v Speaker 1>and so.

494
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<v Speaker 2>You could come up with it there and then, but

495
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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't have.

496
00:23:20.839 --> 00:23:23.160
<v Speaker 1>There's always going to be gaps, like yeah, you know,

497
00:23:23.799 --> 00:23:25.960
<v Speaker 1>they could look at their window and see nothing. Just

498
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<v Speaker 1>why it's based because I wondered that, Yeah.

499
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<v Speaker 2>Because they made the point of the window has always

500
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<v Speaker 2>been the curtains always been drawn or BLI or whatever.

501
00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I wondered if at some point they were going to

502
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<v Speaker 2>open the curtains and it'd just be nothing outside.

503
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<v Speaker 1>This is a lot of interesting stuff in this episode.

504
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I feel like it could have been a

505
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<v Speaker 2>film almost, Like there's a lot more that they could

506
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<v Speaker 2>have fleshed it out with.

507
00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:50.599
<v Speaker 1>So Ezra has come to the conclusion that this character

508
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<v Speaker 1>is just not working. No, and he's going to yep,

509
00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:57.240
<v Speaker 1>and that's the end of Cat And.

510
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<v Speaker 2>That's why he's introduced Barnabas. At this point, he's tried

511
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<v Speaker 2>to make her more in a friend and a colleague

512
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<v Speaker 2>and on again off again love interesting.

513
00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:05.799
<v Speaker 1>But Barnabas is better.

514
00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we can go here. This might have legs. Yeah.

515
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:13.680
<v Speaker 1>I like how when he's realized it's a cliche and

516
00:24:13.720 --> 00:24:15.880
<v Speaker 1>she's like I said that on page bloody one.

517
00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Even she knows it's page one, exactly exactly.

518
00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.240
<v Speaker 1>It's almost like it just comes out of her without realizing,

519
00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:26.400
<v Speaker 1>like she she probably meant to say like the other day,

520
00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:28.039
<v Speaker 1>but it just comes out of her. She knows it's

521
00:24:28.119 --> 00:24:31.319
<v Speaker 1>page one. Yep, it's I love that. It's like now

522
00:24:31.480 --> 00:24:33.880
<v Speaker 1>now the curtain's been pulled back, It's like it's.

523
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Just so obvious you can see it all. Yeah.

524
00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:40.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And Barnabas says she's a bit generic, and she

525
00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:45.880
<v Speaker 1>just shoots that him funk off rain Man. Yeah, yeah,

526
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted to. I haven't watched rain Man. You'll

527
00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:48.920
<v Speaker 1>be surprised to know.

528
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:51.960
<v Speaker 2>I have seen it years ago, but i'd like to.

529
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<v Speaker 1>It's on my list.

530
00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:54.839
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember a lot about it, but I don't

531
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:55.519
<v Speaker 2>remember it being good.

532
00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:57.920
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, I've heard good things about it. Yeah.

533
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This interesting scene of of Katrine not wanting to

534
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:04.119
<v Speaker 2>accept that she isn't real like she's having this debate

535
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:06.559
<v Speaker 2>ultimately boils down to if she doesn't even know her

536
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<v Speaker 2>daughter's name.

537
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I love that bit. That's really good actually.

538
00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:11.799
<v Speaker 2>Because is not bothered to give her one.

539
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's desperately trying to produce it and she just

540
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.200
<v Speaker 1>can't m m and she goes running off to you

541
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:21.640
<v Speaker 1>verify that her daughter's there. Yeah, and she's got no face.

542
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Also reminded me of Forrest that did she hasn't got

543
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<v Speaker 1>a face.

544
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<v Speaker 2>I'm an idiot's London.

545
00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:31.720
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well yeah, now I was that too, But

546
00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:37.440
<v Speaker 1>it's specifically Catherine Jake saying that, Yeah, that is a

547
00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:39.839
<v Speaker 1>creepy bit when when the faceless child is just.

548
00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Really creepy. Yeah, and I guess we put her to

549
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<v Speaker 2>bed at this point for the time being.

550
00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:50.880
<v Speaker 1>What's his name? Barnabas is going to get a three

551
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:55.599
<v Speaker 1>book deal? Oh yeah, Red Rags or Bull, the Bull's

552
00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Eye and bull Shit in a China Shop.

553
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Hope he doesn't have more box because we're going to run.

554
00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:04.559
<v Speaker 1>Out of exactly there are any more bull idioms of

555
00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 1>it cock and bull story. I don't want to know

556
00:26:12.400 --> 00:26:13.079
<v Speaker 1>what happens in that one.

557
00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it stops, it stops being flattering at a point.

558
00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 1>Again, I know, I said, you know, the autistic stereotype

559
00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>and all that. It's very funny when they say about

560
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:29.240
<v Speaker 1>unspecified mentoror literally just runs out and stop.

561
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Shouting, stop shouting, so on the nose.

562
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:40.039
<v Speaker 1>On the nose, it's very funny. I think that's that's

563
00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.519
<v Speaker 1>the that's what makes it so funny because they've literally

564
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:44.759
<v Speaker 1>just pointed out he's a stereotype, and think he just

565
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:47.039
<v Speaker 1>goes and does the most stereotype thing you can imagine.

566
00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, sort of going over like flashing the lights

567
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:52.480
<v Speaker 2>on and off and on enough or something.

568
00:26:52.519 --> 00:27:01.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, lining up toy trains or something. Yeah. Yes,

569
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>so he has to let the character go yep, and

570
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.680
<v Speaker 1>we jump forward and Ball has become a huge success.

571
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.759
<v Speaker 1>This bit makes me die with laughter. When he's on

572
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 1>the phone talking about you know who they could get

573
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:21.640
<v Speaker 1>to play and just like pops up behind.

574
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.039
<v Speaker 2>It's so perfectly timed, appears out of the back.

575
00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah genius. Yeah, I think everyone needs a little Reee

576
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Shearsmith just popping up like the bad devil on the shoulder.

577
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, Reese would definitely be the devil on the shoulder,

578
00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>and Steve would.

579
00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, Oh my god, I love that. Just encouraging you

580
00:27:49.359 --> 00:28:00.079
<v Speaker 1>to call everyone. His wife Philippa comes.

581
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>Home, Yeah, she lost the phone or a phone's been nicked. Yes,

582
00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:07.799
<v Speaker 2>she will go to Waitros.

583
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:14.480
<v Speaker 1>That's a little dig there, could have made it little.

584
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh no littles the better supermarkets?

585
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Is it?

586
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Well? I don't. I don't know why I don't like Asda.

587
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 2>I just really don't. I can never find anything in

588
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:36.640
<v Speaker 2>an Asda Arra Morrison's fascinating, yes, riveting conversation. Feel free

589
00:28:36.680 --> 00:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>to trim this out.

590
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:42.079
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, that's going to be the clip for social media.

591
00:28:43.200 --> 00:28:45.079
<v Speaker 2>I have a poll on favorite supermarkets.

592
00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:50.839
<v Speaker 1>So yes. The kind of shocking bit is that nobody

593
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:54.559
<v Speaker 1>has picked up their san Ashley from swimming. Yes, because

594
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 1>somebody has sent a text to him saying that, you know,

595
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:00.960
<v Speaker 1>you don't speak him out, and like, who's done that?

596
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And as far as you're awareing a first watch,

597
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.400
<v Speaker 2>this is reality now exactly. So suddenly the episode takes

598
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.519
<v Speaker 2>a very dark turn. Yeah, exactly, and you're starting to think,

599
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.240
<v Speaker 2>is it some sort of real world like copycat of

600
00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:18.440
<v Speaker 2>his story or yeah, is his story coming to life?

601
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Or what's happening?

602
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:22.359
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I did think on my first watch.

603
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 1>I did. My first thought was what Kat because he's

604
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:28.319
<v Speaker 1>wronged her, you know, and it would make sense for

605
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.480
<v Speaker 1>her to then want revenge or something.

606
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:35.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't know if I realized how, whether I

607
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:37.039
<v Speaker 2>assumed there would be another level to this.

608
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I didn't think that.

609
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I did a lot. I think

610
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:44.599
<v Speaker 2>I did. The second that you saw Ezra wake up

611
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:46.279
<v Speaker 2>in the same way that Katrina does.

612
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I was gonna say that's that's a very much

613
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:49.799
<v Speaker 1>a deliberate nod.

614
00:29:49.720 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 2>Which is a long way before you get the reveal though.

615
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:55.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's nice foreshadowing. Ye, he's waking up the

616
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:57.000
<v Speaker 1>same way that his character was.

617
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's still something a little bit odd about that

618
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>whole Who's got the Sun thing that I guess is

619
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:06.839
<v Speaker 2>it's probably intentional, but that doesn't quite feel real, Like

620
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't feel the same amount of panic as they

621
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:08.920
<v Speaker 2>should be.

622
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>No, and the wife, the acting of the wife is

623
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:14.599
<v Speaker 1>a little bit like stilted. Yeah, And I'm like, she's

624
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>doing that deliberately, Like you realize when you watch back

625
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.119
<v Speaker 1>she's doing that deliberately for the for the fictional fictionality

626
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:22.759
<v Speaker 1>of it. But on a first watch it is a

627
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:25.160
<v Speaker 1>little bit like, oh, you know what we're doing here.

628
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.960
<v Speaker 2>It should be a bit more panics than you are exactly. So.

629
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So in the middle of the night there they're

630
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>up in the night sort of panicking about all this,

631
00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 1>and then we get Misilda Gordon mm hm.

632
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:41.400
<v Speaker 2>That makes house calls in the middle of the night. Apparently,

633
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh apparently.

634
00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've not even considered that, but yeah, I just

635
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:45.799
<v Speaker 1>used your catchphrase.

636
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:48.839
<v Speaker 2>It.

637
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, now, I obviously you know, the final twist being

638
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:58.119
<v Speaker 1>that she's actually the author. Yeah, I kind of wish

639
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.839
<v Speaker 1>she hadn't introduced herself as family liaison.

640
00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I agree.

641
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I wish it had been like Steve at the beginning,

642
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:05.759
<v Speaker 1>and she just appeared and we just had to sort

643
00:31:05.759 --> 00:31:06.759
<v Speaker 1>of infer who she is.

644
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Infer what she was there for. Yeah, and it might

645
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:13.240
<v Speaker 2>seem like she's just from the police or whatever. Yeah, yeah,

646
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:14.519
<v Speaker 2>you'd square it in your head.

647
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:17.559
<v Speaker 1>And because the fact that she says she's family Laison

648
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:19.720
<v Speaker 1>then feels like it's just a lie just to cover

649
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:20.079
<v Speaker 1>it up.

650
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I've got written my notes like I don't understand Matilda,

651
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:27.759
<v Speaker 2>like what and then why she dies? I don't, But

652
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:30.599
<v Speaker 2>then she isn't it I don't. Yeah, I don't really understand.

653
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:33.480
<v Speaker 2>I get I get what the whole point is. I

654
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:36.720
<v Speaker 2>get that she's like all this, but oh yeah, there's

655
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 2>two there's a bit too much of obfiscating the truth

656
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.200
<v Speaker 2>by just sort of outright lying.

657
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is a bit weird, the fact that she

658
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:47.759
<v Speaker 1>dies like that, because it's like, has she become a

659
00:31:47.839 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Speaker 1>character in her own story?

660
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd have rather either her be vague, like you say,

661
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>of this Liaison character being an entirely new character exactly. Yes,

662
00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:59.160
<v Speaker 2>in fact, yeah, if you'd had her in an entire

663
00:31:59.240 --> 00:32:01.640
<v Speaker 2>new character and her be really basic. And then when

664
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>it cuts to the real Matilda or the writer rather yeah,

665
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.000
<v Speaker 2>go oh she isn't working. She's so so two dimensional.

666
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't need that character. I've killed her off. Yeah,

667
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.839
<v Speaker 2>and that's why she's died. Like, but it's the fact

668
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:16.200
<v Speaker 2>that it's the same person playing it.

669
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:18.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is very weird.

670
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't make sense to me.

671
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>No, I very much agree.

672
00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.920
<v Speaker 2>So then we get the weirdness with all these characters

673
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 2>coming together in the kitchen and I don't I don't

674
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.200
<v Speaker 2>quite know what's going on here. So these characters seem

675
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>to have sentience over what's going on.

676
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.559
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I don't get any because Ezra is the one

677
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>who's confused and like what's going on. He's discovering that

678
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 1>he's not real, whereas like Philippa seems to just know

679
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:47.720
<v Speaker 1>that she's a character and not care.

680
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Kat suddenly seems to think she she is,

681
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.440
<v Speaker 2>like she's got some sort of agency here, and she

682
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.039
<v Speaker 2>wants she's fully aware that she's a character, but wants

683
00:32:57.079 --> 00:33:00.960
<v Speaker 2>her story to be told. And I don't Yeah, yeah,

684
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:03.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm a bit a bit confused here.

685
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:04.160
<v Speaker 1>It does get a bit confusing.

686
00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:07.359
<v Speaker 2>It's enjoy it, it's very enjoyable to watch, but don't

687
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:12.359
<v Speaker 2>really understand the sort of real world in inverted commas

688
00:33:12.400 --> 00:33:14.599
<v Speaker 2>of what's actually going on.

689
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.400
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of dream like, isn't it. Just Yeah, yeah,

690
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:21.519
<v Speaker 1>and obviously you know at the end of the day,

691
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>it's just Matilda playing around with stuff.

692
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:28.599
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think, but why is Matilda playing around

693
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:29.119
<v Speaker 2>with it.

694
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.079
<v Speaker 1>To try stuff and see what works? I don't know.

695
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she's considering making Philipper lesbian I guess.

696
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I suppose, And whether she's considering killing off Barnabas.

697
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, Kat decides she wants to him to

698
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:49.519
<v Speaker 1>finish her story so she can be a hero and

699
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>be on the shelves.

700
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:53.279
<v Speaker 2>God Lie not self.

701
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Published on Amazon as a shy Kindle exclusive. Yeah, venom

702
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:03.160
<v Speaker 1>in that that, Yeah.

703
00:34:01.319 --> 00:34:04.039
<v Speaker 2>Without wanting to go back into it not making sense. Yes,

704
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Cat's back, but Kat could only be back if Ezra

705
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:11.559
<v Speaker 2>is wanting her to be back. Was my understanding before.

706
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:13.920
<v Speaker 1>No, Well, for me, I think it's because Matilda is

707
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:17.199
<v Speaker 1>writing a story in which a writer is haunted by

708
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>his characters. So within in Matilda's story, the character of

709
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.679
<v Speaker 1>Cat has come out of the story, right, yes, yeah.

710
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.280
<v Speaker 2>So in Matilda's eyes, yes, okay, yeah, that makes sense.

711
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

712
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:33.440
<v Speaker 2>Like about Stephen King, as she says, I can't which

713
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:35.039
<v Speaker 2>one isn't I want to say it's somewhere in the

714
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:37.639
<v Speaker 2>dark tower where I've not read them, but I really

715
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.599
<v Speaker 2>want to where I think they spend a whole chapter

716
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:43.360
<v Speaker 2>or two these characters trying to break out of the

717
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.800
<v Speaker 2>book to wake up Stephen King, who's in a drug

718
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 2>bender or something. Oh really, and isn't writing their story anymore?

719
00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Or something to that.

720
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Effect that rings a bell.

721
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Yes, which I order is whatever they're sort of joking on.

722
00:34:56.360 --> 00:35:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Probably, yes, yes. I also find it interesting how she

723
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>says she can't do endings, but yet she says that

724
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.079
<v Speaker 1>all her books are famous for having a final twist.

725
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>So how do those two things fit together?

726
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Or it's just that she really struggles to write them.

727
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.920
<v Speaker 2>She gets them there eventually, but it's the thing that

728
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.559
<v Speaker 2>she struggles with the most. But then I imagine that's

729
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:21.480
<v Speaker 2>The thing that most writers struggle with the most is

730
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:24.920
<v Speaker 2>ending them, and that's particularly unusual.

731
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.039
<v Speaker 1>No, I hate endings. I much prefer beginnings.

732
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so much easy. You don't have to worry

733
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.480
<v Speaker 2>about how it works exactly. The murder happened in this

734
00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:37.239
<v Speaker 2>locked room. That's exciting. Yeah it is. How did it happen?

735
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:40.320
<v Speaker 2>No idea, I'll get that later.

736
00:35:41.800 --> 00:35:43.360
<v Speaker 1>I think the trick is to work out the end

737
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 1>in first.

738
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 2>And work backwards. Yeah, should be. Yeah.

739
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:53.320
<v Speaker 1>I really like the bit with the book, Yes, realizing

740
00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.119
<v Speaker 1>that it's, you know, real, this book he's written and

741
00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>that's published and everything. It's Actually it's very much like

742
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.239
<v Speaker 1>a dream, isn't it that you you know, isn't there

743
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:03.000
<v Speaker 1>That famous thing of how to tell if you're in

744
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>a dream is to open a book and look at

745
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>the page. Yeah you heard of that, Yes, And it's like,

746
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:10.880
<v Speaker 1>if you can read the text, then it's real, and

747
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:11.840
<v Speaker 1>if you can't, then it's not.

748
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Something I have often in dreams that I don't

749
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:18.639
<v Speaker 2>I've never actually said any before is checking what time

750
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:21.320
<v Speaker 2>it is, right, and you're looking at the time and

751
00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:24.960
<v Speaker 2>in a dream and if you blink, the time changes. Oh,

752
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I find I don't know if that's just the me thing.

753
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and the time never concrete because I don't

754
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:35.880
<v Speaker 2>know what time. It is interesting, right, And if you're

755
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:40.800
<v Speaker 2>as weird as I am, well, I don't think.

756
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I would remember that specifically dream because

757
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:45.360
<v Speaker 1>my dreams send to be if I have, If I

758
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>do remember them, they're quite vague. M I don't think

759
00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 1>I've ever been aware like Lucid in a dream, to

760
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 1>be like thinking about it, whether it's a dream or not.

761
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:56.159
<v Speaker 2>I have occasionally. It doesn't app very often, but I have.

762
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:59.079
<v Speaker 2>I do every now and then. Yeah, it's a lot

763
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:03.639
<v Speaker 2>of fun. You shuddenly realize it's a dream and you

764
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 2>can just fly and do anything. But you generally, or

765
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:08.800
<v Speaker 2>at least I generally, wake up quite quickly afterwards.

766
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, i'd imagine you were. But yeah, I love the

767
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:19.280
<v Speaker 1>louramipsum stop chext on the back. It's just like if you.

768
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Know, you know, it's a great little joke.

769
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then all the pages a blank, which is

770
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:31.360
<v Speaker 1>funny because you saw Cat reading it just a few

771
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:32.039
<v Speaker 1>minutes ago and.

772
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 2>There were words of the page then Yeah, but.

773
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.039
<v Speaker 1>It's only now he's actually looking at it. You can't

774
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>see anything.

775
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:40.639
<v Speaker 2>I imagine it's more a production thing if they couldn't

776
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:43.079
<v Speaker 2>be bothered to actually print lamps them all over the

777
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.519
<v Speaker 2>actual full book. Yeah, but it was easier just to

778
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:47.280
<v Speaker 2>have a blank book.

779
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 1>But I was thinking, you know, they could have they

780
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.079
<v Speaker 1>could have filmed the scene with Cat so that you

781
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>can never see the inside.

782
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Of the book. True, but I guess.

783
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't matter, because, like I said, it's it's only

784
00:37:56.920 --> 00:37:59.840
<v Speaker 1>when he actually actively looks at it, you see, because

785
00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:01.239
<v Speaker 1>it's just like imaginary.

786
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 2>But I didn't notice as well. I don't think you

787
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:05.719
<v Speaker 2>ever see him pick the book up. He just has

788
00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.400
<v Speaker 2>it when he needs to hold it, Oh, which is

789
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 2>a nice touch. So yeah, Ezra gets the cat treatment. Yeah.

790
00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh fuck, none of this is real either.

791
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:23.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the end of him m hmm.

792
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 2>And presumably Barnabas and Cat and poor Katie Perry and

793
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:30.360
<v Speaker 2>all the other felines.

794
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:34.159
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's it, then, isn't it.

795
00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Have you watched the credits of this one? I

796
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.400
<v Speaker 2>normally skip, well, like skip the credits because it just

797
00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:43.920
<v Speaker 2>comes up with the play next thing.

798
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:44.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

799
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you only get the first few seconds he

800
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:49.840
<v Speaker 2>watched this. You've got a really creepy little song by

801
00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:50.360
<v Speaker 2>the daughter.

802
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember hearing that, yeah, about.

803
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 2>These two little ducklings and only one came home and yeah,

804
00:38:56.320 --> 00:39:00.199
<v Speaker 2>and it's really creepy. The background of the behind the

805
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.039
<v Speaker 2>credits slowly shifts to be this door. Its door opens

806
00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:08.119
<v Speaker 2>and the faces girl just appears and then it ends

807
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:08.719
<v Speaker 2>very creepy.

808
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. I need to have a look

809
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:11.159
<v Speaker 1>at that.

810
00:39:11.840 --> 00:39:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't know whether they do all other episodes. I'm

811
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 2>going to start watching now. That's a good point I've

812
00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:16.360
<v Speaker 2>never noticed before.

813
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:19.719
<v Speaker 1>I know that song very well because when I worked

814
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 1>in a school. If I was ever a nursery, we

815
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:22.519
<v Speaker 1>always used to.

816
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.960
<v Speaker 2>Sing it a song for this No.

817
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:27.679
<v Speaker 1>No, it's one of those where you know where they're like.

818
00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:30.079
<v Speaker 1>So it starts off five little ducks when swimming one day,

819
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:30.760
<v Speaker 1>and then it's like.

820
00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I was thrown by it being two.

821
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.800
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, why is children singing so creepy?

822
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:48.039
<v Speaker 2>No idea, but it is main reason I don't want kids.

823
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.639
<v Speaker 2>Can imagine the little just creepily singing away in a

824
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:56.079
<v Speaker 2>room somewhere like yeah, no, they just sat in the

825
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 2>corner of the room singing to themselves.

826
00:39:57.639 --> 00:40:01.719
<v Speaker 1>No, So I believe I don't believe in ghosts. Or

827
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.440
<v Speaker 1>like reincarnation or any of those things. But I do

828
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>sometimes find myself going down a rabbit hole on Twitter

829
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.519
<v Speaker 1>when you see those threads of like creepy things that

830
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:13.119
<v Speaker 1>children have done. People share their stories and it's like, yeah,

831
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:16.880
<v Speaker 1>my favorite one is the one about the child that

832
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.159
<v Speaker 1>said to their parents the people in the wall don't

833
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 1>like you or something. And then and then they were

834
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:24.920
<v Speaker 1>the persons like what should I do? Someone replied on

835
00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:27.000
<v Speaker 1>twisham was like, you should spend less time asking what

836
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:28.840
<v Speaker 1>you should do and more time thinking about how to

837
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:30.559
<v Speaker 1>be a person. The war people would approve of.

838
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.599
<v Speaker 2>My favorite was the parents saying good night and the

839
00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:46.440
<v Speaker 2>kids saying goodbye, and the parent going no, we say

840
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.599
<v Speaker 2>good night, and the kid goes, yes, I know, but

841
00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:49.679
<v Speaker 2>tonight it's goodbye.

842
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, it's awful.

843
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is what I could for. Yeah, get that

844
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 2>straight to a nunnery. Yeah, abandon that on the church

845
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:07.840
<v Speaker 2>steps immediately. I don't want to live in a horror film,

846
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.599
<v Speaker 2>thank you very much. There's a great I can't it's

847
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 2>called but it's a great parody horror film with the

848
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.119
<v Speaker 2>creepy child and with its mum and the stepdad and

849
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:21.159
<v Speaker 2>the stepdad can tell that this kid is creepy and

850
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:24.480
<v Speaker 2>evil and the mom can't trying to kill the dad

851
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:30.199
<v Speaker 2>the whole time. Its great, it's so obvious but you

852
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:30.920
<v Speaker 2>can't see it.

853
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, that sounds amazing. Any who?

854
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Any who? Indeed, Yes, what were ranking this? Then?

855
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh it's tough. I've got a number in mind, and

856
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't want people to crucify me.

857
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:53.519
<v Speaker 2>Hmm, you can go first, Okay, do you want me

858
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:54.320
<v Speaker 2>to go now?

859
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:57.639
<v Speaker 1>I'll go first. I think I'm going to say three.

860
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I was thinking three or four?

861
00:42:01.960 --> 00:42:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, I think I've explained my reasons why. Like

862
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.400
<v Speaker 1>I said, I do appreciate it, and I think there's

863
00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:09.519
<v Speaker 1>a lot of very interesting stuff in it. There's a

864
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of clever stuff in it. But I just I

865
00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:13.480
<v Speaker 1>don't find it particularly enjoyable.

866
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I have flashes where and I think it

867
00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:20.920
<v Speaker 2>could be great. But I think it's one of those

868
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:24.000
<v Speaker 2>great examples of the concept is great, but that doesn't

869
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.920
<v Speaker 2>mean it can translate into a story like you have

870
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.039
<v Speaker 2>plenty of you've seen the film in time. I think

871
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.440
<v Speaker 2>it is justin Tim Blake film, which obviously tells you

872
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:36.960
<v Speaker 2>all you really need to know about it, but it

873
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.119
<v Speaker 2>has the great concept of instead of in this universe,

874
00:42:40.159 --> 00:42:43.079
<v Speaker 2>instead of money, you have time. So everyone has like

875
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:45.679
<v Speaker 2>a year on them that ticks down and you can

876
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.880
<v Speaker 2>get paid in time, and like rich people have thousands

877
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:51.800
<v Speaker 2>of years and poor people have minutes and seconds, and

878
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.400
<v Speaker 2>it sounds it's a really interesting concept. But the film

879
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 2>is shit. There's no real film I see, Like, how

880
00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:59.199
<v Speaker 2>do you translate that into a story?

881
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a shame that happens.

882
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:08.440
<v Speaker 2>See three or four. I'll go three as well. I think, okay, fair,

883
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:13.159
<v Speaker 2>we never actually big thing we've missed here? What is

884
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:13.679
<v Speaker 2>the nine?

885
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:15.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

886
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:18.920
<v Speaker 2>The kind of sort of isn't one other than we

887
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.880
<v Speaker 2>randomly see a teally chart at the start, but that

888
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.480
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really link to anything.

889
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>That This might be the most abstract nine we've had

890
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Speaker 1>so far.

891
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I'd have liked the reveal at the end to be

892
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.400
<v Speaker 2>that the name that the book she's writing is called

893
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.039
<v Speaker 2>the nine or something or whatever.

894
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that's a very good point. We're not we're

895
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:40.440
<v Speaker 1>not insider nine at all.

896
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:43.760
<v Speaker 2>And it's not like the character's name is it Like

897
00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:48.039
<v Speaker 2>it's a nickname at best. Yeah, And we're not really

898
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:53.679
<v Speaker 2>it's not really her. The whole episode anyway, no, Yeah,

899
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:57.480
<v Speaker 2>pedant me strikes again. Yeah, I don't really understand.

900
00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:58.920
<v Speaker 1>No, that's a very good point.

901
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.679
<v Speaker 2>It's very good point as far as we know that

902
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:04.159
<v Speaker 2>this is house number nine and it's all irrelevant. Yeah,

903
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:05.679
<v Speaker 2>we just just never get shown it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, if you love this episode, listen, we're sorry.

905
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is all just our opinions, exactly, exactly. And

906
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:18.599
<v Speaker 2>as I'm sure I've said a thousand times before, like

907
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:22.559
<v Speaker 2>some episodes were like sometimes you don't and you might

908
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.119
<v Speaker 2>think the exact opposite and their fone valid. And that's

909
00:44:25.159 --> 00:44:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the great thing about this show.

910
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, So I'm sure anyone who makes a podcast

911
00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:34.239
<v Speaker 1>or puts content out online, it's not that unusual to

912
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:36.039
<v Speaker 1>imagine that you might once in a while have a

913
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<v Speaker 1>little Google and see what people are saying about it.

914
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, I do do that from time to time,

915
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:44.360
<v Speaker 1>and we're very lucky that the vast majority of it

916
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:47.400
<v Speaker 1>is very positive. People are very lovely about what we do.

917
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I did have a little Google the other

918
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<v Speaker 1>day and I came across somebody absolutely ranting about the

919
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.239
<v Speaker 1>scores we were giving in to certain episodes. Yeah, and

920
00:44:56.760 --> 00:45:00.559
<v Speaker 1>I was a bit like, wow, we do make it

921
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.440
<v Speaker 1>very clear this is just our opinions, and it's just

922
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:05.800
<v Speaker 1>also it's just our opinions sort of on a whim

923
00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:07.480
<v Speaker 1>almost at the time of how we're feeling.

924
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially the scoring bit at the end, very much

925
00:45:11.400 --> 00:45:13.239
<v Speaker 2>just finger in the air at the moment.

926
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:15.280
<v Speaker 1>It's just, yeah, it's just a bit of fun, really,

927
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:17.639
<v Speaker 1>isn't it to give it a number? Yeah, but yeah,

928
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I feel like this, this thread I was reading was

929
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.400
<v Speaker 1>a little bit like we're offending people by scoring certain

930
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<v Speaker 1>episodes lowly. But yeah, sorry if you feel that way.

931
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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, and like we love this series. We wouldn't

932
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<v Speaker 2>be doing this if we didn't love it exactly exactly.

933
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:37.960
<v Speaker 2>Even our least favorite said well empty orchestraside. I'm sorry,

934
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:40.000
<v Speaker 2>but we enjoyed them in some way, shape or form.

935
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<v Speaker 2>I love them all.

936
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<v Speaker 1>That was one of the ones that they were saying,

937
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't believe they scored it so low.

938
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and yeah, I can't understand. I wish I could

939
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.920
<v Speaker 2>see how people can exactly what they see how they

940
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 2>see it exactly. And that doesn't mean you're wrong, no,

941
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.159
<v Speaker 2>And I'm very happy.

942
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 1>For you that you like it, but yeah, we we

943
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.199
<v Speaker 1>just everyone has a different opinion. Yeah, and this we're

944
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:03.760
<v Speaker 1>sharing ours, and I know, yeah. I think one of

945
00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:05.559
<v Speaker 1>the issues was like, oh, the rating is a bit

946
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:08.960
<v Speaker 1>like is it based on how they feel or whether

947
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<v Speaker 1>they like it or whether they think it's objectively good?

948
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<v Speaker 1>And the answer is, I don't know. We're making happens

949
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<v Speaker 1>to go along.

950
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:15.800
<v Speaker 2>So a bit of all of them. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

951
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:18.159
<v Speaker 1>It's just vibes, babes.

952
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 2>It's not even consistent week on week.

953
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's going to be fun when we finished it

954
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:26.840
<v Speaker 1>all to look back at these numbers and be like,

955
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:29.039
<v Speaker 1>how much sens does that actually make?

956
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if we actually sought them by order, whether we'll

957
00:46:33.360 --> 00:46:35.760
<v Speaker 2>agree with it. I've just noticed though, we're within point

958
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:39.840
<v Speaker 2>three of having the same average score, which is yes,

959
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm slightly lower, slightly, only slightly.

960
00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:44.079
<v Speaker 1>It makes me slightly more pessimistic.

961
00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:46.559
<v Speaker 2>Then we round to the same number.

962
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:50.760
<v Speaker 1>True, but yeah, are you going to ask me your

963
00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 1>favorite question?

964
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Yet's go for it. Where was the hair? Did you

965
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:58.880
<v Speaker 2>spot it? I've got clue, no me, neither. I gave

966
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.880
<v Speaker 2>up to look up afterwards. But there are two sort

967
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:05.559
<v Speaker 2>of oh really so yeah. The main one is kind

968
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 2>of where I thought it was, but it's kind of

969
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 2>hard to see if it's in shadows, but it's behind

970
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Matilda's laptop when she's doing her bit at the end.

971
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:15.000
<v Speaker 1>That makes sense for it to be there because it's

972
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:16.519
<v Speaker 1>that's the reality.

973
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:20.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, that's a good point. Yeah. The other one

974
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:24.239
<v Speaker 2>sort of is it's the publisher's logo on the book.

975
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.239
<v Speaker 2>It's not. It's not the same hair exactly, but it

976
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.360
<v Speaker 2>is a hair's head okay, like a rabbit head is

977
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:32.320
<v Speaker 2>in the top left corner of the back of the book.

978
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:35.679
<v Speaker 2>That's nice, which is more a sort of I guess

979
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:39.440
<v Speaker 2>little nod rather. Yeah, it's not the air, but it's

980
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:42.039
<v Speaker 2>no Yeah cool.

981
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, there we go.

982
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, did you suppot our hair listen?

983
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:51.239
<v Speaker 1>Now you'll have to Yeah, you have to let us know.

984
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Just before we finish. I have a message to read

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00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:58.599
<v Speaker 1>out and this one comes from owlsome on Twitter from

986
00:47:58.639 --> 00:47:59.920
<v Speaker 1>who owl?

987
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, and why's Alson got in touch?

988
00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, they got in touch with us just after our

989
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Simon Says episode came out where we talked a little

990
00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:12.119
<v Speaker 1>bit about fandom and they said, Hi, I just wanted

991
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.000
<v Speaker 1>to thank you for your podcast. I listened to it

992
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:16.280
<v Speaker 1>every morning because one episode is almost as long as

993
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:19.559
<v Speaker 1>my drive to the office. I particularly enjoyed the Stakeout episode,

994
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:21.760
<v Speaker 1>obviously since it's one of my favorite in Side number

995
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:24.719
<v Speaker 1>nine episodes. But I'm still laughing at you calling Reese's

996
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 1>fans intense since I'm one of them. So keep up

997
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:35.760
<v Speaker 1>the good work from an intense Reese Shearsmith fan. So yeah,

998
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:38.039
<v Speaker 1>thank you for that message. And yeah, I'll just say

999
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:39.880
<v Speaker 1>what I said when I replied back to them, which

1000
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:41.320
<v Speaker 1>is that you know, as I think we said on

1001
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:44.159
<v Speaker 1>the episode, it's it's perfectly fine to be a fan

1002
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:47.480
<v Speaker 1>of somebody in their work, even you know, quite ardently.

1003
00:48:47.559 --> 00:48:50.039
<v Speaker 1>But I think we were just saying where it crosses

1004
00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:51.840
<v Speaker 1>the line when it gets a bit sort of personal

1005
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:53.400
<v Speaker 1>and a bit like sorcery.

1006
00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:56.079
<v Speaker 2>But don't go find them in Asda, no exactly or.

1007
00:48:56.079 --> 00:49:00.280
<v Speaker 1>Any supermarket, yes see earlier in the episode. Ye, so,

1008
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.320
<v Speaker 1>but I'm sure, I'm sure none of our listeners are

1009
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:07.480
<v Speaker 1>that sort of person. So yes, nice, But yeah, thanks

1010
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:08.159
<v Speaker 1>for getting in touch.

1011
00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:09.760
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Thank you very much.

1012
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Keep the messages coming in always a pleasure.

1013
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're lovely. Thank you.

1014
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Apart from that one thrill I found on Google. Now

1015
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm joking, actually, like I did say, actually it wasn't

1016
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:26.800
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't that bad. It was had some issues, but

1017
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:28.559
<v Speaker 1>it was also a little bit like you know.

1018
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:29.840
<v Speaker 2>It was optimistic as well.

1019
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:35.599
<v Speaker 1>And all that exactly exactly. And I said to you

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00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:36.760
<v Speaker 1>as well when I showed you, I was like, I

1021
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:37.360
<v Speaker 1>think we've made it.

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00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Now.

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00:49:37.480 --> 00:49:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I know you've got you know, being a bit negative

1024
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:44.199
<v Speaker 1>about you, it means you've really made it. So yes,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back next week for kid Slash nap.

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00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeh see you slash then, Yes, but.

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<v Speaker 1>For now, I think it's time to close the door

1028
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<v Speaker 1>on number nine.

1029
00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:07.280
<v Speaker 2>But you never leave, do you, especially if you're fictional

1030
00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:08.440
<v Speaker 2>and live in a drap. Yeah.

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00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as I say, this is where it gets revealed

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<v Speaker 1>that actually we're not real, we're just fictional characters. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone would read that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know when you watch like The Truman Show

1035
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:23.639
<v Speaker 2>or something and someone's like, oh, what if it is

1036
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:27.239
<v Speaker 2>all fake? No one's watching thirty odd years of this. No,

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00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 2>this program would have been canceled years.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening to the Ninth Degree. If you'd like

1039
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:39.079
<v Speaker 1>to get in touch, you can find us on Instagram, Twitter,

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00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:42.599
<v Speaker 1>and TikTok at Ninth Degree Pod or email us at

1041
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Ninth Degree Pod at gmail dot com. You can also

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<v Speaker 1>leave us a rating or a review wherever you get

1043
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<v Speaker 1>your podcasts