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Speaker 1: I made a decision pay sunny sun on.

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Speaker 2: I had a vision.

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Speaker 1: It's what's up, hocksuckers. Sorry we abuse you, guys, but

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we do love love. Yes, we deal with love.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 1: It's Friday? Oh, it's Friday. He are you interested in

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seeing the Michael Jackson?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I thought we were all kind of an agreement

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that Michael Jackson did molest some kids, Like yeah, I

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mean from everything that I know, I think it seems

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pretty obvious he did sleep in bed.

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Speaker 1: Okay, That's what I was thinking. Then this morning, I'm

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reading threads and people are like, yeah, assholes, don't you

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feel stupid?

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Speaker 2: Like Michael Jackson didn't do anything, He's totally innocent. And

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then there's all these people like, yeah, yeah, there was

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an FBI investigation for ten years and they never found anything.

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Speaker 1: What what?

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Speaker 2: And then they're saying that they were.

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Speaker 1: They're romanticizing him. Now, that's what I think. Like Natalia

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was dying to see the movie, and she went to

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see it with her boyfriend. I think we talked about

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it last I was going to go with her, but

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I didn't, and she came home and she's like, I

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don't think he did anything with little kids or whatever

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like that. And I'm like, well, girl, you were like

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a kid. First of all. I remember the day he died.

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We were teaching you how to swim in the swimming pool.

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It was in June. Oh, Wendy was in town and

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Sunny Natalia are probably like four when he died. Anyway, Yeah,

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and did Mark garre Goes like represent him for a

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little bit for hot second.

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Speaker 2: I think he did. Maybe that sounds possible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, Yeah, so now people are probably I think

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these people on reads that are talking about are probably

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of the younger generation that never really that didn't like,

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didn't live we lived through his whole trial. Was kind

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of older and was like, you know, I've read all

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of the FBI reports, I've combed through everything, and there's

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no credible whatever. And you know, they took him to

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court and he was not convicted on any of the charges.

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That's right, he wasn't convicted, right.

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Speaker 2: No, he wasn't convicted. But didn't the nanny like know

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that he was sleeping in bed with these kids?

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Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of instant And then

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also didn't Oprah do a show and wasn't he showing

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them porn? Yeah? Yeah, And like didn't Oprah do a

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whole show with like his survivors.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's that movie that's like a Surviving Wonder

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surviving uh Neverland or yeah, with those two guys that

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seemed very credible that told their stories. I don't know,

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like they're like, oh, they just wanted money. Everybody that

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assued him was like just a money grab.

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Speaker 1: Now I think that he you know, here's the other

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thing that's interesting though. I think it was TMZ that

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did a documentary about it. It was like the thirty

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seconds that changed his life, which was basically Michael Jackson

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when he looked like Michael Jackson doing the moonwalk right,

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did the Pepsi commercial and when his hair caught on fire.

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That was the beginning of the end of Michael Jackson

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because that was when he started getting addicted to pain

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medicine and the propofall and all that shit like that,

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and then he started doing all the operations and like

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that changed him was when his hair caught on fire.

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So that was pretty interesting. But yeah, I think that

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he was just had a horrible childhood and wanted to

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relive his childhood. And thought it was okay to have

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these kids sleep in his bed. And I also thought

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it was okay to like diddle these kids, you know,

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because he had this like immature mindset in that way

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memory showed up to the grain emmis with Brookshields at

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one time, and it's like, yeah, that didn't seem like

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it didn't seem like he was no, not a lady's

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single grown woman has ever even said they kissed him? Right? Then?

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He had these two kids with that woman. Yeah, but

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they used a spring, right, right, He just wanted a kid.

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so he was interested in Yeah, little kids.

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Speaker 2: That's what I mean. I don't know. And then people

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are like, well, uh, if he slept in bed with

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little with the young boys, whose fault is that? That's

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the parent's fault. They shouldn't have like let him do that, right, Okay,

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So to me, that's the same as blaming the victim,

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blaming the parents of these kids for what. Like they

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trusted Michael Jackson, right and didn't think that he was

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going to be sleeping about with their kids and showing

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them porn.

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Speaker 1: Right, I agree, right, yeah. I just think now because

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this movie's out, people are like, you know, just seeing

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it in a different way now, you know. And then

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I heard the Devilwaar's product came out this weekend. I

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heard it was terrible.

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Speaker 2: That's what I've heard.

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Speaker 1: That it was unwatchable, like no plot. And also like

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Justin Threw's face looks different because he had a facelift

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or something. Oh no, yeah, because I like Justin Threw. Yeah,

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he's sexy. He's in a Netflix show right now that

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I hear is really good. What it's something that he's

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Speaker 2: Kate. Uh, what's her face? Hudson?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, the two of them are in it. Something

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about a basketball like team. It's supposed to be really good.

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Speaker 2: I'm just feeling lucky that I just said the right Kate,

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because I feel like there's a lot of Kates.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you nailed it, but I think you and I

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are on the same wavelength a lot. Yes, it's so weird.

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Speaker 2: That Tuesday episode that Homicide.

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Speaker 1: Orleans, Right, Yeah, and then you brought up let's plug

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our Patreon. I was just thinking about our old Patreons.

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And then you brought it up on Tuesday show. Yeah,

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that we're putting you.

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Speaker 2: Guys listened to yesterday's Thursday's Classic episode because it's a

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I'm releasing a few patreons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now people can listen to us back in the

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day when we had like a lot of shit going on,

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and we had kids running around and we were overwhelmed

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and bumming like diapers and pirate booties off of other

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moms at the park, and I was.

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Speaker 2: Having a lot of like mixing it up with elementary school.

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, and I was telling teachers that they

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need to take hormonal paletts so they don't have to

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freeze my kids out in their classroom.

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Speaker 2: I'm having an issue with a kid. So I was

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thinking about this for a Patreon and then I was like, no,

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because I think that people might even know suffice it

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to say that one of my kids is having an

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issue with a kid at school, and the kid at

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school is definitely in the wrong, you know, And I'm

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say call out my kids for them being wrong. No,

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I wouldn't be the first one. I'd you know, it

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would have to really be proven to me that my

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kids are not perfect angels. But I'm telling you I've

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been there from the beginning of this situation. I've seen

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texts this other kid is is an asshole, right, you know,

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is being an asshole. And I was having this thing

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of like, you know what, maybe I'm going to write

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to the school and like write to the counselor and

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be like this is unacceptable. And then I was like,

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the fuck am I thinking about It's the end of

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senior year. Like I was like, Stephanie, get I get

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very tired. You are done. You are so done.

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Speaker 1: It does not matter the keyboard away to retire. I'm

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gonna miss so I listen to our old patrons.

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Speaker 2: I know, but I was like that. First of all,

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the kid in question would absolutely kill me. They'd be like,

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I can handle this on my own, thank you. I

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do not like but you know, in my mind, I'm like, well,

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I don't my kid already went to the counselor, And

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I'm like, I don't feel like the counselor is doing

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anything about it. And then I realized, you know why,

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because they have bigger fish to fry, Because my kids

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are not really in trouble right ever, Yeah, they're not yes,

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something that was like really egregious and ridiculous, and then

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that my kid's being called into the counselor's office and

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asked for their side of the story. But then that

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the counselor got distracted and was like, we'll pick this

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up another time. And my kid was like, well.

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Speaker 1: It's fucked up because like I did get to say

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my side, and I go, yeah, that's because they know

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that you didn't do anything, and they don't care, right,

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They just they're going through the motions exactly.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, you're not in trouble. They're like, yeah,

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but still I want to say. I want to say

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what happened. And I'm like, they don't care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but still they got kids green and out the

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bathroom like right, being taken from school in an ambulance.

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Speaker 2: They got drug snippet. They don't care about.

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Speaker 1: The small potatoes. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Did you hear?

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I just heard the story this morning, this Orange County.

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It happened in Orange County or Lake Forest wherever that is.

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This Orange County fourteen year old boy had a e

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bike electric bike, and well he's okay, Oh, but he

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was doing wheelies and was driving it recklessly through the neighborhood,

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hit and killed an eighty five year old man, a

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veteran from like a Korean veteran, like he survived the

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wars and shit and walking his dog in his neighborhood.

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who got arrested for manslaughter? The mother? Yeah, why I

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just heard this on the way into the podcast today.

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Because he's fourteen and she let him. He's not supposed

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to be driving this electric bike. I guess around the

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neighbor I don't know, but the parent is being held responsible.

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She got arrested. Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now that seems crazy, but I guess if you

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have like an expected outcome, like if you're if it's dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Those cases where kids who have gotten guns, yes, right,

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and committed shootings, the parents were held responsible. Yeah, but

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that's because the one I'm thinking of in particular, the

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parents literally bought their kid a gun. I remember that story.

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I followed the story. Oh yeah, we talked to Michigan. Yeah, Michigan,

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the kid was Your parents went and tried to hide out.

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Speaker 2: Remember they like split town yet and they're like living

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Speaker 1: Mom like bought the the dad bought the kid a gun.

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But then the mom posted it on Instagram like mommy,

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Mommy Sunday at the shooting range was teaching him how

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to shoot the gun. Then he was like putting in

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his diary and stuff like I want to see a

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therapist and they're like no, you're fine, Like it's like

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I'm hearing things and like no, and then like the tea. Yeah,

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that was a crazy story. Then they got called to

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the principal's office. They found stuff on his book, like

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on his a diary or writing something in his textbook

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and his notebook, and they're like, yeah, the you parents

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have to come in.

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Speaker 2: You got to get him help. And they're like okay,

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Speaker 1: And they left the kid at the school and the

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kid had the gun in the bag that day and

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shot up the school.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, those parents were held responsible and they're both

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in jail, those two. It's also a little different than

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like letting your kid write an ebu.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, now I know. So I'm going to follow

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that story and fire e bikes like like driving a car.

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Sonny has an e bike. It's it's it's both. It's

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like hybrid. It's like a prius, like you can peddle it,

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but then you can kick it into the power, like

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if you're going up pail. I don't know, it's like that.

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But this kid, he hit the guy and he took off.

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He didn't stop or say anything or ask for help.

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he hit it and like panicked and took off. I know.

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and his dog. That is really sad. You know what

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something great because that is a good segue.

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and support with Honeylove. Whoop ooh oom. Okay, how's Matt Fondelier.

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I know, I miss Matt Fondalier. I think he's doing good. Yeah,

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seem sometimes on face book. Still in Austin. Still in Austin,

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working and I'm not sure what he's doing. It was

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doing that podcast with the lawyers for a while.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's doing that it.

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Speaker 1: And then he was like doing some documentary for some

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movie or something, some crime documentary.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh, yeah, we should find out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I should reach out to him. But

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speaking of crime documentaries, yeah, hey, should I marry a murderer?

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Speaker 2: Okay? I have a lot to say about this and

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also kind of nothing to say at the same time.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, Like it was so stupid.

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Speaker 2: It was stupid, right, yes, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of ridiculous, and even like I love

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a good crime doc and when it came up on

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my Netflix thing, I looked at it and I did

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think something about it was kind of off, and then

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you sent the text and said we should watch it,

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and kind of like, you know.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to be kind of stupid or bad or something. Right,

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it did have certain vibees that reminded me of abducted

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in plain sight. Yeah, here's here's the situation. This woman

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starts dating this guy. She has a very bad track

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record with dudes. But she's smart, she said, she's a

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she's a doctor, forensic forensic. She she you know, takes

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does the autopsies, right, yeah, she does autopsies. But she's

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also like very cute and young and blonde and chatting

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some mental illness issues that come out that are going

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to come out, but she, I don't know, maybe the

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last guy kind of fucked her over. She thought they

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were going to be together for a long time and

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he broke up with her, and now she's like, oh

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my god, nobody treats me right, you know. So she

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meets this guy. He starts love bombing her right away. Yeah,

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super super love bombing. You're you're the one for me,

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and they start that. It gets hot and heavy right away.

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weeks into it. He's like, listen, you are so fucking hot.

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I'm so attracted to you. Also, I really trust you,

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but like, can I tell you something?

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Speaker 1: Got a secret?

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Speaker 2: She's like, sure, what's on your mind? And he's like, well,

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I kind of in a way, Well, I definitely hit

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a biker, hit a guy on a bike. It was

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with my brother. We hit a guy on a bike

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and we kind of didn't tell anybody, and then we

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just buried him, right And she's like, what the what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? And also the guy he's a farmer and he

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lives out in the middle of bumfuck. The first time,

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like when she was like going out with him, she's

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like she just didn't give a shit. She just drove

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out to the middle of nowhere to meet some guy

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she met on like a hinge.

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Speaker 2: Who kills animals for a living by works in like

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a he slaughters animals.

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Speaker 1: Just turned it off because when I when I saw that,

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because I'm like, I can't want, I don't want to want,

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and I hate I hate hunting shit, I can't watch it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh he teaches hunting yess, but he also

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kills any any skins them or whatever. It's so they

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both had they both had that.

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Speaker 1: In common because she's she does autopsy right and so

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does her.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, oh my god, we are so we

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are so twins right now, we both like dead bodies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, come over and he's like, sure, what the fuck,

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let's do it like the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Because she's not making great decisions from the

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beginning of this documentary. She's making bad decisions. So then

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he tells her this, and what does she do. She's like,

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oh shit, that sounds pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: Like like wait a minute, yeah again again. The other

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guy's looking a lot better now, not another asshold no gosh.

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Then she doesn't do anything about it right away. She's like,

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well he kills is it that bad? But let me

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let me not be super hard on him, yeah, because

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we get along really well, right, other than the killing somebody.

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But then she's then he starts telling her more details

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about it, and he's like, yeah, like we buried the

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body and we didn't like tell anybody, and then we

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took out the car to our sim cards out and

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like it starts seeming worse.

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Speaker 2: It's harder for her.

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Speaker 1: To deny that this is like right fucked up. But

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at the same time, she's getting married. She's engaged now

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to this guy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: She gets the.

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Speaker 1: Wedding dress and everything, so like simultaneously he's telling her

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that he like you know, killed the guy and like

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buried him and destroyed the evidence. But then also, hey,

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you want to get married, right, And she's like okay.

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Speaker 2: So then she's like, okay, maybe, like what would I

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do in the same situation, Like maybe they just got

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scared and they felt really bad, but like they were

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scared and they didn't know what to do. So at

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first she tries to tell herself that I'm pretty sure.

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He's like, no, we weren't really that scared. We just

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you know, I mean, what were we going to do?

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Speaker 1: But then I feel like it was it at that

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point that he's like, oh, by the way, this one

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other tiny detail about it. He was still alive, right,

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and so we didn't like call for help or anything, right,

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because he was probably going to die soon anyway, so

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we buried him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So then she starts like kind of freaking out,

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and then she look, oh, I know, she looks up

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the guy like in the newspaper, right, and she's like,

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oh my god, this is like for real, for real

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missing cyclist. Yes he was. He was driving on his charity. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. He was an older like a dad, and he

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was dry. He was riding his bike. He didn't want

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to take breaks. He was on a charity run and

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it was at night, and they happened to collide into him,

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and then yeah, he was He was still alive when

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they and so.

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Speaker 2: The problem was like not that they hit him, but

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that they didn't call for help. So she's trying to

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make this okay in her brain for a little while,

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and then she's like, well, this guy was missing and

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the parents and the kid looking for their dad and

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like so she's like, shit, I got to tell the police, right,

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So then she tells the police and they're like Okay,

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well we need evidence. Yeah, so you got to go

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like hang out with them and get it collect evidence.

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Right now, This is where I had a question for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So now she's freaked out because she knows she went

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to the police and she's got to pretend like nothing's

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wrong and hang out with him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Does she have sex with him?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, okay, because throughout this whole thing, he's not

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sensing that anything's wrong, right, because she's acting like everything's

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fine and they're still getting married. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then she goes to her parents' house. Oh, I know,

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they're at her parents' house. And then she tells her

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parents right, and they're like, oh no, not another one. God,

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you have the worst taste in men.

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Speaker 1: When you're stupid bad joys.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they're all Scottish es and like, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, like you have a good life, Like

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why do you got to pick these losers all the time?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So then she starts kind of having some mental health,

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like she's started there. She stressed out, she threw she she.

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Speaker 1: Took the red bull can. She found out. She went

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out with him and got him to say where they

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buried the body, Yes, and she was taking a secret

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uh voice recording, right, she recorded a lot of conversations

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with this guy, yes, to share the police that she's

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not some crazy chick.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So she discarded the red bull can and he

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was like, what are you doing? And she's like, oh, sorry.

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She pretended to go back and pick it up.

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Speaker 2: She pretended it first to just be littering, right, like,

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which I pictured to be very a very funny moment

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where she just takes her red bull like like scrunches

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it in her hand and just throws it. And he's like,

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what dude, what the fuck you're littering?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be with somebody who litters.

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Speaker 1: He's like, go pick it up, right, So she pretended

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to pick it up, but she left it there to

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some market for the police to find the body where

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the body was buried, right, yeah, so then they have

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to take the body and have the autopsy result. Right,

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they're waiting on them.

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Speaker 2: They no, no, no, they can't find the body, is

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the thing. So she's told the police and the police

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are like, yeah, but without the body, we can't, like,

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we can't charge this guy. We have to find the body.

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So you've got to stay with him and like pretend

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to be into him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So now she's like, fuck, well, I guess I better

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do a bunch of drugs and drink a lot.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So then she's starting and it's him and his twin

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brother are the ones that did it, right, I forgot

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the guy's name, but the brother Andy and yes, Sandy

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and Robert or something. Yeah. Okay, So she's hanging with

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Sandy and Robert and she's like, yeah, you know, it's

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just really hard to like hang out without like just

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I guess you just got to do a bunch of

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coke and just drink a lot. Yeah, so you can

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kind of forget about it, right. So I'm like, okay,

470
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,079
so you're just in like a drug fueled binge. And

471
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,720
then she's like yeah, and then also I just got

472
00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:39,599
really manic. Okay. So then the parents are like, what

473
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,279
the fuck are you doing? You got to get away

474
00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:44,599
from this guy? Oh okay, wait when did they? So

475
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,200
they find the red bull can the police and they

476
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:50,880
kind of have a suspicion that the body is buried there,

477
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,359
but they have not found the body. So they go

478
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,920
and they arrest him though, right right, And then she's like,

479
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,359
oh my god, he's gonna know. I'm the one that told.

480
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,119
And the police are like, he probably won't, and she's like,

481
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,680
who the fuck else would have told?

482
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: It? Would have told the police, right.

483
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 2: So then they then though. Sandy is like what the fuck?

484
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:17,640
Like somebody somebody rap us out and he thinks that

485
00:25:17,759 --> 00:25:21,200
somebody else. He thinks it's like like maybe his brother

486
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:22,519
got drunk and told somebody.

487
00:25:22,599 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

488
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,559
Speaker 2: How did they not suspect her? I like, that's like, man,

489
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,759
somebody is not being supportive right now. I guess like,

490
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,519
I mean that sucked now.

491
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:39,079
Speaker 1: I know I fell asleep through this thing like three times.

492
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,160
That's why I'm when did they? So they arrest them,

493
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,839
but then they let him go. They had to let

494
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,519
him go, right, They have to let him go because

495
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:47,680
they had nobody and he cannot PreTect it.

496
00:25:48,319 --> 00:25:52,759
Speaker 2: So then then they freaking find out that the Red

497
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,119
Bull can they find the Red Bull can, and then

498
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,599
he's like what the fuck and he calls her and

499
00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:01,279
he's like, I'm gonna fuck you up, like the Red

500
00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:03,640
Bull Can you set me up? Man? Like it was you?

501
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,160
It was you all along. And then he's like I'm

502
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,920
coming over right, So she doesn't call the police. She's like,

503
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:13,000
oh man, he's gonna come and kill me. So he

504
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,640
comes over and he's like upset. Yeah, and then she's

505
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,039
like but he was like fine, he was totally.

506
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: Because she like recorded and he was like, hey, I

507
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,200
can't blame you for doing it. I want to do

508
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:23,799
a line.

509
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 2: What the fuck? What is going on in this?

510
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: Like stories, this is nuts? Yes, it's crazy. So then

511
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,559
she's like, well he was like cool, cool. Yeah, he's

512
00:26:33,599 --> 00:26:36,279
like cool, cool, Yeah, it's kind of for the best.

513
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:39,279
I guess that whatever, we probably won't get in trouble anyway,

514
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,359
they'll never find the body. So then she's mad at

515
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,559
the police because she's like, these freaking cops didn't even

516
00:26:45,599 --> 00:26:48,400
try to protect me, Like they didn't arrest him, and

517
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,640
they basically told him that they found the red bull can,

518
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,640
which implicates me. So like fuck all y'all, and I'm

519
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,480
gonna hang out with these guys. Her parents were like,

520
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,920
what are you talking about that? It's like dangerous, and

521
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,400
she goes, I'm gonna go live with them.

522
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, So she goes to where they like kill animals, yes,

523
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,160
and she like on their farm with them, and she's

524
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,319
like yeah, so then we just like started just doing

525
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,839
drugs all the time, right.

526
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what the hell? And then so okay,

527
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,359
so that happens. Okay, So then and also the police

528
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,680
were supposed to give her like some kind of witness

529
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:27,599
something program to help.

530
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: Her and like a victim Yeah, yeah, like a way

531
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,640
did it? Yeah they didn't. But that doesn't even come

532
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:36,200
up until later. So right now she's like living with

533
00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:40,880
these guys. So then she's pretending to play a chess

534
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,680
game online, which is so relatable, right, And she decides

535
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:47,160
that while she's playing chess, she's gonna like voice record.

536
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,279
They start talking about it, right, And she starts voice recording,

537
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,720
and she realizes that neither of these guys have any empathy.

538
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,240
They don't give a fuck. They're just talking about it.

539
00:27:56,279 --> 00:27:59,960
And they're like, yeah, that guy's a cunt, which shouldn't

540
00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:02,240
have been not the same as us saying cunt.

541
00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:04,759
Speaker 1: Right it is. They're like they're a Scottish or whatever.

542
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a little more cash. Yeah, but they're like, yeah,

543
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,359
he's just a stupid cunt. She shouldn't have been there. Yeah,

544
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,319
they don't feel bad, and she's like, but don't you

545
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:15,240
feel kind of bad about it? And they're like, no,

546
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:15,720
not really.

547
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

548
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 2: Then she's like, oh my god, these are bad guys.

549
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:23,680
No shit, this is where I was like, this is

550
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,559
like objected in plain sight. And they're like, oh my god,

551
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,039
you're going to kidnap our daughter again. Well you're just

552
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,640
now realizing that these are not good guys. She's like, hmmm,

553
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,599
I'm going to go back to my parents' house, right,

554
00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:41,720
So she leaves, goes back to her parents' house, and

555
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:45,039
then she turns in the recording of them saying like

556
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:47,920
that guy's a cunt and yeah. So now the police

557
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,119
are like, well, now we're really mad at these guys,

558
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,759
and now we got to really look into it. Yeah, yeah,

559
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,559
now we're serious about this.

560
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:57,359
Speaker 1: They look into his car, they found out that he

561
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,000
got the car fixed right after the accident, and then

562
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:04,759
they find out the bicycle. They don't find the bible,

563
00:29:04,759 --> 00:29:06,799
they don't find the bicycle, but they find out or

564
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,559
they're looking for the bicycle. Oh no, she recorded, didn't

565
00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:12,720
she record him saying that he threw the bicycle into

566
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,880
one of the waterfall yeah, waterfall?

567
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:16,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

568
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

569
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 2: So so then they're gonna go to court. Then they're

570
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,400
going to charge him, and then they call her and

571
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,359
they're like, hey, good news, we charged him, and she's

572
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,440
like okay, great, but they're like we're going to need

573
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,960
you to testify. But then she's like, fuck, I'm like

574
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,079
so fucked up on drugs, Like that's all this is

575
00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:38,759
going to come out. I'm gonna look totally unreliable. I've

576
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,920
got bipolar disorder. Yeah, like, no one's gonna believe me.

577
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:44,519
This is going to totally ruin my reputation. So she

578
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:47,519
goes kind of crazy. The day that she's supposed to

579
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:50,279
show up in court to testify.

580
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 1: She gets she decides like she goes boy, yeah, she bounces,

581
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:58,440
but then she's like all drunk. She gets up in

582
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,519
the morning, she does a bunch of cocaine, she drinks

583
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,039
a bunch of she's wine in the comanic, she takes.

584
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: The one and she's like, I'm gonna find the bicycle,

585
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,079
and she's videotaping herself the whole time, Yeah, with like

586
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:12,839
like stars above her head, like when TikTok with like

587
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,359
a dog nose, Yes, like her face is fat one

588
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,279
minute and then it's like like what the fuck She's

589
00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:22,720
like on Snapchat this whole time, videotaping herself. Look I'm

590
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,279
gonna find the bike because then I'll look I won't

591
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:28,160
look like a crazy nut job, right, So I'm gonna

592
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:28,400
do that.

593
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,559
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do everybody a face. Yeah, too late. She

594
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:33,599
goes out there, she looks for She's like driving and

595
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,079
walking and talking to herself and talking to the camera.

596
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,799
And then she's like, you know what this is getting,

597
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,000
I'm tired of walking, so I gotta find something. She's

598
00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:45,680
different modality.

599
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:46,079
Speaker 2: Full him bike.

600
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: I can't find it, She's like, so she she she

601
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:55,440
hijacks a uh what do you call it? A tractor? Right? Yeah,

602
00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,759
So she steals the tractors like, yes, they left the

603
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,839
keys in. She gets in the tractor, drives the tractor

604
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,559
to the waterfall, gets like halfway into the water, and goes,

605
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:06,319
it's cold, it's cold, I can't and then starts singing

606
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:10,400
some French song. Yes, like she's like, yes, videotaping herself

607
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,400
by the waterfall or something. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way,

608
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:19,039
helicopters are circling above her head. Not stars, but helicopters

609
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:21,519
are now like looking for her because she was supposed

610
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:23,559
to be in court that day and now they're like

611
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:25,559
she's on the run. They got a warrant out for

612
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,000
her rest. She like hides out in some barn for

613
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,000
a second, and then she just decides to give up

614
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,839
by the waterfall and sing some French song and then

615
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,279
the cops come and swoop and take her away. Yes,

616
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:37,400
and then she gets arrested and puts in jail.

617
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:39,319
Speaker 2: She gets arrested and goes to jail.

618
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: The story is insane.

619
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:47,319
Speaker 2: But then the guy's spoiler alert falls forward. What happens? Yeah,

620
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:51,279
then they plead, so then she doesn't have to testify.

621
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,119
Speaker 1: What's with this, like the video of them in court

622
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,319
by the way, Like what's with all the close ups

623
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,599
of the two the twin brothers and the close up

624
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,559
of the judge And can we like retire the hair

625
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:06,839
wig thing? You know, it's their tradition, but it's kind

626
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:09,680
of silly for US Americans to see. It is a

627
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:13,480
little shocking. Yeah, but yeah, So they go to the

628
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:18,079
they plead guilty. So they and then she's sitting in

629
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,920
jail and they're like, hey, great news, you're out of

630
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,640
jail because we're done.

631
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: They plied guilty. Yeah, crazy fucking story. And basically the

632
00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:28,759
whole thing is about how sad it is for her

633
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:31,400
that they didn't the police didn't treat her well and

634
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:36,119
like which agree, But also she was already had mental illness.

635
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,359
It wasn't just the trauma from this, right, she was

636
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,079
already a little bit of a mess.

637
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:43,839
Speaker 1: Yeah.

638
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:48,839
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639
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640
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641
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,720
in my bedroom and Bob, as I told you on

642
00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:02,759
two today's episode, Bob has puked on it twice and

643
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,400
it was very easy to just wipe it up.

644
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,319
Speaker 1: Wish I had that one, unlike the.

645
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,079
Speaker 2: Shagrug I had in there before, which did not do that.

646
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647
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648
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649
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650
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, crazy documentary.

661
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,839
Speaker 2: Ye have you watched it? Oh and you were going

662
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,319
to tell me that you did. Finally listen. I listened

663
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,000
to Witness. What was it date?

664
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: It was a dateline, right, it's forty eight hours and yeah,

665
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,559
I found it on iTunes and I listened to it,

666
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,840
and it's it's a sad story basically where I like

667
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,239
to watch it. I like to see these these shows.

668
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,360
But I listened to it because you wanted me to

669
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,679
hear the story. Yes, and you know this woman she

670
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,840
gave up her kids for she had to give up

671
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,320
her kids for adoption or put him in the foster y.

672
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:35,599
Speaker 2: She had she had to put him in foster care.

673
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,639
Speaker 1: Okay, and they were she had like a he was

674
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,480
two and a four year old.

675
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,079
Speaker 2: Two and a yeah, no, like I want to say

676
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,320
the one was like eighteen months and the other one

677
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,400
was three at the time.

678
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:53,559
Speaker 1: Oh, right, okay. And basically the eighteen month old was

679
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,920
in this home with these the foster parents that have

680
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,079
agreed he was.

681
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 2: Two, yeah, maybe he was two yeah, the other one

682
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:00,679
was like three and a half.

683
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,559
Speaker 1: He had a great track record, these foster parents, they

684
00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:07,039
fostered lots of kids, ninety kids. Yeah, they've been doing

685
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:10,360
it for years. And they also interviewed like adults that

686
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,239
were in their care and said that they were great parents.

687
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,119
They were never nothing. But you know, the dad was

688
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:20,000
stern but never laid a hand on anybody. And the

689
00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:24,480
eighteen month old was wound up in the morning, blew

690
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,119
and unresponsive and wasn't breathing right, and they called nine

691
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:34,400
to one one and well basically they they looked at

692
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,679
the kid like something happened. He was suffocated, and I

693
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,719
don't remember how did they figure it. They thought it

694
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,840
was the dad told that said that the foster dad.

695
00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:48,119
His brother three and a half year old, said that

696
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,639
he saw his the foster dad put the pillow over

697
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,360
his brother's head and to get him to stop crying.

698
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: Right, So the dad got arrested.

699
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,039
Speaker 1: The foster the foster guy, right, cals whatever, yeah, right,

700
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,039
And then he got a defense team going and basically

701
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,360
they said no, no, no, no, like he didn't do it.

702
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:12,599
The kid, the brother did it. The three and a

703
00:36:12,639 --> 00:36:15,800
half year old did it. And it was like, that's

704
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,679
your defense, it.

705
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,079
Speaker 2: Was, but see that's the thing. Yeah, I agree with you.

706
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:25,280
I'm sure the foster dead did do it. But I

707
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,119
thought they made kind of a good point because the

708
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:33,880
kid was like a really traumatized, seemed a little sociopathic, right,

709
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,760
But I feel like threatened the he had threatened his

710
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,280
brother with violence a lot, right to kill him.

711
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: That's true. But I feel like the defense.

712
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 2: And the auster mom had had made complaints about the

713
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,599
kid the other trying to hurt his brother, right right, Yeah,

714
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:52,239
that both of that ever happened.

715
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,079
Speaker 1: I think both of the kids were pretty rambunctious and like, yeah, yeah,

716
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,960
hard to settle down, right, And the dad said he

717
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,039
was going in there and his back and trying to

718
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,039
get him to go to sleep. But the brother said

719
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,199
the dad put the pillow over and smothered the kid.

720
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, well he said he pushed him into the

721
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,440
pillow so he was face down, right. He said he

722
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,280
was pushed him into the pillow and held him like

723
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,199
that because he was rubbing his back yeah. But then

724
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:21,679
and then they were like, well, maybe what you thought

725
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,840
you saw was he was giving the kid CPR. Oh right, right,

726
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,599
And the kid was like no, but the kid did

727
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,199
not definitely did not have the story straight.

728
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: No.

729
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: No, And he was like no at the time, Yeah,

730
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,199
that's true.

731
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:40,199
Speaker 1: And also they had experts that came in and said,

732
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,320
a four year old kid does cannot have the strength

733
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,400
or the whatever to suffocate his brother. He's four, and

734
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,599
you know, the experts were, I don't know, so I

735
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,360
don't you think that the little boy did it.

736
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,039
Speaker 2: It was kind of That's why I wanted you to

737
00:37:57,119 --> 00:37:58,719
listen to it, because I was like, why do I

738
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,760
kind of think that that's possibility?

739
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I did think of it. I was

740
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,400
looking at it both ways. I definitely was like, I

741
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:07,320
feel like a three and a.

742
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: Half year old could if he was strong, and he

743
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,519
was that's fl functious that he just got on top

744
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:13,159
of him.

745
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: And was you know yeah. And then he had to

746
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,719
testify in trial say what he saw, and then the

747
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,920
defense was like blaming it. Yeah, and then the mom,

748
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:26,400
the biological mom, was like, you know, fighting for her son,

749
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:28,599
like he wouldn't he didn't do it? You know the

750
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:32,679
dad did it or whatever. Yeah, And then so the end,

751
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,360
basically the dad was like, got found not.

752
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: Guilty because they couldn't prove it. They couldn't prove it.

753
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,039
Now here's the thing that would lend more to your

754
00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:46,119
theory and probably ninety nine point nine percent of the

755
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:49,519
population that listened to its theory, which is he did

756
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:52,079
admit the foster dad did admit that he was kind

757
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:54,480
of mad as the kid wouldn't stop crying and he

758
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,760
was like basically like shut up, stop crying.

759
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: And he was working like you know, double hours or whatever.

760
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,519
He was tired, and he couldn't get the kid to

761
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:03,159
stop crying.

762
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: Right, But how come no other kid said that he

763
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:10,960
was like violent in any way.

764
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:14,559
Speaker 1: Right, So that's what made me think people can snap.

765
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:19,079
You know, maybe he snapped, but like, how did they

766
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,079
find him not guilty that, you know what I mean?

767
00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:24,079
Just so if he's not guilty, then who did it?

768
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:25,320
Did they think the kid did it?

769
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: I mean, that was the reasonable doubt was maybe the

770
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,880
kid did do it. I guess yeah, I don't know,

771
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,159
because the jury when they were talking to them afterwards,

772
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:35,760
they're like, well, we don't think the kid did it,

773
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,440
But we're also not sure if he did it right.

774
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:42,119
Speaker 1: There wasn't enough proof. Yeah, yeah, it was an interesting

775
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:42,880
story though.

776
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,159
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty good. Yeah yeah, let's see.

777
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:50,199
I also wanted to tell you. I wanted to your

778
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,119
opinion on this. So it's almost the end of the year,

779
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,760
as you know, the school year, not the end of

780
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,599
the year. It's almost the end of the school year.

781
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: I still have school aged children, and by that I

782
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:04,840
mean Sadie and Xander.

783
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,199
Speaker 2: I'm not really counting LB. By the way, Xander committed

784
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:14,559
to Chapman. Yes, congratulations, thank you. Oh my god, that's great. Yeah,

785
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,800
it's it's it's really good. I think it's going to

786
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:17,199
be great.

787
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,119
Speaker 1: I think so too.

788
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we were going back and forth a

789
00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:24,920
little bit between Santa Barbara and Chapman. Santa Barbara being

790
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,760
a great school, good reputation, Yeah, more academic.

791
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: But I think that I think it's going to be

792
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,079
perfect for him. That program that people talking about, yeah,

793
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:37,639
Dodge College. Yeah, I think that's going to be perfect.

794
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,519
I think that's Gonnave. I think so too.

795
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 2: It's like an hour and a half.

796
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: No, it's very social, like, Yeah, I think it's perfect.

797
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: I think he's going to make friends. I think he's

798
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,920
going to enjoy the classes. I think there's plenty of

799
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,559
stuff to do there. But then, you know, I was

800
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,760
getting myself like worked up about like is it too small?

801
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:57,119
Speaker 1: Right?

802
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,199
Speaker 2: But I think it's going to be totally fine.

803
00:40:59,239 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah I think so too.

804
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, but okay, So coming to the end of the year,

805
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:09,280
Xander is super overwhelmed. So Sadie has been working on

806
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,280
There's something about Sadie. Even though she's not going to

807
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:18,000
like for your school, she still takes everything very serious.

808
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,960
She's trying to get good grades. In my mind, but

809
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:24,119
I don't want to be a bad influence. I'm like, why,

810
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,159
it doesn't matter? Who cares?

811
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: Right right?

812
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: Literally, who cares? It doesn't matter. I did terrible in

813
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,360
high school. It didn't matter. But you know, she wants

814
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,079
to be like, try hard, go ahead, so she's doing it.

815
00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:42,400
She's always been that way though, I know, and she's

816
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,440
my little struggler, so it's extra. It's pretty cool to

817
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:50,480
see her like, even though things don't come as easy

818
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:53,559
to her, she's still really try the effort. So she's

819
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:57,400
got this AP studio art project, so they don't do

820
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,880
a traditional AP test the project and it's due today

821
00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:06,880
when you're listening to this on Friday, it's due today, okay,

822
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,719
And she's still it's just been like it eats up

823
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,599
every day. She's super stressed about it. She's having to

824
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:19,000
run these photo shoots. We bought equipment for it. She's

825
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:23,400
doing wardrobe for people because it's it's rock and roll

826
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:29,599
music through the day. It's the culture of relationships because

827
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,360
of music through the decades.

828
00:42:32,519 --> 00:42:33,519
Speaker 1: That's really cool.

829
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 2: So it's like friendships. It's like, how does music bring

830
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,920
people to how has it been a.

831
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: Cod Me and Suday and are best friends because of

832
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,199
Bruce Springstein. Oh my god, yes, exact Stewart our best

833
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:45,000
friends as a Bruce br Yes.

834
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:48,199
Speaker 2: So her thing, though is to take these different genres

835
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,760
of music. So like she just did a shoot yesterday

836
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,559
for SKA. So it's really cute, like skateboard. They did

837
00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:58,519
it at a skateboard place, but they were doing music anyway.

838
00:42:58,559 --> 00:42:59,519
It doesn't really know she.

839
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: Collaborates with other students or it's just her own.

840
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,599
Speaker 2: It's her own project. Oh boy. So she's getting people

841
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:07,800
to be part of it. She's getting people to like help.

842
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,199
She's done music concerts. I think I even showed you

843
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,519
some of her pictures that she took, but those aren't

844
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:18,920
the ones of like gigs right. But anyway, here's the thing.

845
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:23,519
I keep getting these notifications from school about how many

846
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:27,679
tarties she has. Uh huh, She's got like twenty five

847
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:28,960
tarties right now?

848
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: Right? Is that My kids had tartis too, but like

849
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,639
that many you got it? I mean they had a lot, yeah,

850
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,639
especially after COVID, like they were just like didn't take

851
00:43:39,679 --> 00:43:42,280
school seriously at the time. There was, yes, they had

852
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,320
a lot, and I was getting you just got to

853
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:44,800
suck it up.

854
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,519
Speaker 2: It's only like.

855
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,679
Speaker 1: A couple more weeks away for graduation, but like I

856
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,000
should suck it up, or the kids should suck it

857
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:52,559
up and try to get there on time.

858
00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: Or the school should suck it up.

859
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: Well all three. I told the school to suck it up.

860
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 2: I just don't respond. And then notification.

861
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: It was like towards the end of the senior year,

862
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,320
and they like the seniors feel like they can just

863
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,360
do whatever they want in senior year. So all their

864
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,239
friends were getting them too. I like moms where we

865
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,000
were texting each other like what do we do with

866
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:15,760
these tarty notices? It's like, I don't know what, tell

867
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,039
the school to stuck it up, right, right, it's almost over.

868
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,360
And by the way, they're getting their grades done, they're

869
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,639
getting good grades. They're like, you know, passing their classes.

870
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: So and also second semester of senior year, like it

871
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,440
doesn't matter. Yes, I don't even think those grades get reported.

872
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,159
So the schools at that point, because they've already committed,

873
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:38,360
they don't. I don't think they. I think you can

874
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,079
resend an offer by mid year grades. Well that ship

875
00:44:42,159 --> 00:44:44,800
is sailed, Like, yes, mid year grades already got turned in.

876
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,320
Xander's and sades doesn't matter. I don't think anything could,

877
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,440
like unless he failed some classes, right, they might, I

878
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,920
don't know, but it doesn't. It doesn't matter. So I

879
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,480
don't know why they keep going like this is a problem,

880
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,679
you know, and it's like the next step is that

881
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,920
I get I'm gonna have to get called in and

882
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,920
I'm like, I don't know what I'm gonna say. Sadie

883
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,559
drives them to school every day. I wake them up

884
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,480
because a lot of times she does not get up

885
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:15,239
even though her alarm goes off. So I do go, hey,

886
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,480
get up, you got to get to school. Try to

887
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,440
be on time, right, But like they need to leave

888
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,960
the house by nine o'clock. Yeah, A lot of times

889
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,079
it's like nine oh five and they're just walking out

890
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:26,960
the door, and I'm like, they're probably gonna be tarty,

891
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:29,079
right right, Well, what can I do?

892
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean, talk to them and tell them, like, hey,

893
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:34,440
let's try and make an effort. It's like the last

894
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,480
happy I know, what else are you going to do?

895
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,360
I mean, that's like.

896
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: Why am I how do I get hurt? Exactly? Why

897
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,400
am I getting the name your kids are?

898
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:46,599
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, why are you saying to us?

899
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:49,519
Speaker 2: I know? But how like I can't force them to

900
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:53,760
be on time? Right, So I'm just like, why do

901
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,800
I feel guilty about it? Like, okay, any how many

902
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,480
more weeks are left? There's like four weeks to school?

903
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:02,159
I think four?

904
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:08,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm going to see doctor knock around tomorrow.

905
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: Oh tomorrow, Yeah, okay, you're going to show him you're

906
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,639
a thing on your neck.

907
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,159
Speaker 1: I did. I went to a dermatologist for the thing

908
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:16,519
on my back and my neck. My back one was hurting,

909
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,840
and I thought like they were going to take care

910
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,199
of it and get rid of the cyst then and

911
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,760
there right oh, she comes in and looks at it goes, okay,

912
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,480
we'll have to make an appointment for you to come back.

913
00:46:25,519 --> 00:46:27,920
And I don't do both cysts in one day. You

914
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,039
have to come back for twice twice why I don't know.

915
00:46:31,679 --> 00:46:33,639
I don't know. And I'm like, you can't do it today,

916
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,199
at least the one on my back, and she goes,

917
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:37,519
I could just give you a steroid shot for the

918
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:40,119
one on your back since it's hurting, but then come

919
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:42,639
back in two weeks and if it's still inflame, then

920
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:43,840
we'll just do the one on the neck.

921
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: And then you'll have to still wait to go, like

922
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:47,199
do I five?

923
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. So I'm gonna see doctor knock around

924
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,480
tomorrow and see what he thinks. Maybe he's got somebody

925
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,719
that can get rid of the cyst, because I know

926
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,360
what it is. She explained it to me. It's just liquid,

927
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,840
you know, that gets trapped under the skin. It's like

928
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,719
it's like a ZiT, but it's becomes a cyst and

929
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,000
it needs to be cut open and it needs to

930
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,239
the whole thing needs to come out. You can't just

931
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,079
squeeze it and be like okay, like a like a

932
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:13,320
regular ZiT kind of thing. Sorry, it's TMI, but like, yeah,

933
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,360
you have to cut it open so they numb it. Yeah,

934
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:19,079
Glunden sent me a text from last week. It's like

935
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:22,519
TMI on your Friday show. I'm like, I don't even remember.

936
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Oh yeah, we.

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Speaker 2: Talked about vitamin D constipation.

938
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Speaker 1: Ut sorry Glenn, Yeah, over your ears.

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Speaker 2: Well gosh, okay, I hope, I hope. Uh knock around

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can do something tomorrow. But do you have an appointment

941
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for to go back to the dermatology?

942
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Speaker 1: Yes in two weeks.

943
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well I'm glad. It's nothing though, Yeah.

944
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Speaker 1: It's nothing. I even saw it on I looked it

945
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up on the internet and I watched a video how

946
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they remove it, and I was like, oh god, I

947
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can't wae it and I couldn't watch it. Yeah, they like,

948
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I can't watch that stuff. Medical stuff where they cut

949
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you open.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ooh with like a like probably like an exact

951
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don't if?

952
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Speaker 1: Yes, like an exact? Yeah, like an exact don't I?

953
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you want me to do it?

954
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Speaker 1: Can you do it? Yes?

955
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Speaker 2: All right, I'll do it.

956
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Speaker 1: We create all crimes in New Orleans.

957
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Speaker 2: Yes, this was a fun. This was a fun episode.

958
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Let's say hi to our friends. We got uh Katie

959
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doing too much me Christ to get the drap. Sandra

960
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,840
is not easy being green. Aaron is a dirty Sanchez.

961
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Speaker 1: She still is.

962
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Speaker 2: Missy and Gabby are still there.

963
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: They're at that Netflix is a joke all week ye

964
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with one flip flop. Rebecca Lupin is adorable. Kelly Brandt

965
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is not your aunt, but she'll gass it up.

966
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Speaker 2: Yephan vaj Pe whoa Alicia Escalante from the city of

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Ete Leslie with the coughing Yeah, Dick is frolicking. Nicky

968
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needs to call your girl. Elizabeth Williamson's got a lot

969
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of kids, a lot of them. Rita's rocking them in

970
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her boss yet Holly, We love your pancake, Valerie, Bubba

971
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Fenwick kids and Katerina. Check that Miller also a couple,

972
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just a couple more. We Adams got a car. You

973
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know how much I love him? He does all everybody's cars.

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Go to Adams Got a Car dot com. If you're

975
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on the island of Kawhi, go to Sugar Skull and

976
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:24,000
check out Maren's gift shop. They have lovely desserts and

977
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fun gifty stuff and you can go to Sugar Skull

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eto eight to check out their Instagram page. If you're

979
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in Palm Springs or Palm Desert, go to Womanfrida and

980
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:37,480
listen to the podcast The Family Skeptical for raising kids

981
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:40,880
without religion and uh, you know, no dogma kind of

982
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how we raise our kids.

983
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, We love you guys.

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Speaker 2: You'r parent now many