Speaker 1: I made a decision pay sunny sun on.
Speaker 2: I had a vision.
Speaker 1: It's what's up, hocksuckers. Sorry we abuse you, guys, but
we do love love. Yes, we deal with love.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 1: It's Friday? Oh, it's Friday. He are you interested in
seeing the Michael Jackson?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I thought we were all kind of an agreement
that Michael Jackson did molest some kids, Like yeah, I
mean from everything that I know, I think it seems
pretty obvious he did sleep in bed.
Speaker 1: Okay, That's what I was thinking. Then this morning, I'm
reading threads and people are like, yeah, assholes, don't you
feel stupid?
Speaker 2: Like Michael Jackson didn't do anything, He's totally innocent. And
then there's all these people like, yeah, yeah, there was
an FBI investigation for ten years and they never found anything.
Speaker 1: What what?
Speaker 2: And then they're saying that they were.
Speaker 1: They're romanticizing him. Now, that's what I think. Like Natalia
was dying to see the movie, and she went to
see it with her boyfriend. I think we talked about
it last I was going to go with her, but
I didn't, and she came home and she's like, I
don't think he did anything with little kids or whatever
like that. And I'm like, well, girl, you were like
a kid. First of all. I remember the day he died.
We were teaching you how to swim in the swimming pool.
It was in June. Oh, Wendy was in town and
Sunny Natalia are probably like four when he died. Anyway, Yeah,
and did Mark garre Goes like represent him for a
little bit for hot second.
Speaker 2: I think he did. Maybe that sounds possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyway, Yeah, so now people are probably I think
these people on reads that are talking about are probably
of the younger generation that never really that didn't like,
didn't live we lived through his whole trial. Was kind
of older and was like, you know, I've read all
of the FBI reports, I've combed through everything, and there's
no credible whatever. And you know, they took him to
court and he was not convicted on any of the charges.
That's right, he wasn't convicted, right.
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't convicted. But didn't the nanny like know
that he was sleeping in bed with these kids?
Speaker 1: I think there was a lot of instant And then
also didn't Oprah do a show and wasn't he showing
them porn? Yeah? Yeah, And like didn't Oprah do a
whole show with like his survivors.
Speaker 2: I mean there's that movie that's like a Surviving Wonder
surviving uh Neverland or yeah, with those two guys that
seemed very credible that told their stories. I don't know,
like they're like, oh, they just wanted money. Everybody that
assued him was like just a money grab.
Speaker 1: Now I think that he you know, here's the other
thing that's interesting though. I think it was TMZ that
did a documentary about it. It was like the thirty
seconds that changed his life, which was basically Michael Jackson
when he looked like Michael Jackson doing the moonwalk right,
did the Pepsi commercial and when his hair caught on fire.
That was the beginning of the end of Michael Jackson
because that was when he started getting addicted to pain
medicine and the propofall and all that shit like that,
and then he started doing all the operations and like
that changed him was when his hair caught on fire.
So that was pretty interesting. But yeah, I think that
he was just had a horrible childhood and wanted to
relive his childhood. And thought it was okay to have
these kids sleep in his bed. And I also thought
it was okay to like diddle these kids, you know,
because he had this like immature mindset in that way
memory showed up to the grain emmis with Brookshields at
one time, and it's like, yeah, that didn't seem like
it didn't seem like he was no, not a lady's
single grown woman has ever even said they kissed him? Right? Then?
He had these two kids with that woman. Yeah, but
they used a spring, right, right, He just wanted a kid.
She was a surrogate. Yeah, basically, yeah, yeah, so hebby whatever.
They didn't have sex, right, They were not romantically linked, right,
so he was interested in Yeah, little kids.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. I don't know. And then people
are like, well, uh, if he slept in bed with
little with the young boys, whose fault is that? That's
the parent's fault. They shouldn't have like let him do that, right, Okay,
So to me, that's the same as blaming the victim,
blaming the parents of these kids for what. Like they
trusted Michael Jackson, right and didn't think that he was
going to be sleeping about with their kids and showing
them porn.
Speaker 1: Right, I agree, right, yeah. I just think now because
this movie's out, people are like, you know, just seeing
it in a different way now, you know. And then
I heard the Devilwaar's product came out this weekend. I
heard it was terrible.
Speaker 2: That's what I've heard.
Speaker 1: That it was unwatchable, like no plot. And also like
Justin Threw's face looks different because he had a facelift
or something. Oh no, yeah, because I like Justin Threw. Yeah,
he's sexy. He's in a Netflix show right now that
I hear is really good. What it's something that he's
in it with.
Speaker 2: Kate. Uh, what's her face? Hudson?
Speaker 1: Yes, Oh, the two of them are in it. Something
about a basketball like team. It's supposed to be really good.
Speaker 2: I'm just feeling lucky that I just said the right Kate,
because I feel like there's a lot of Kates.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you nailed it, but I think you and I
are on the same wavelength a lot. Yes, it's so weird.
Speaker 2: That Tuesday episode that Homicide.
Speaker 1: Orleans, Right, Yeah, and then you brought up let's plug
our Patreon. I was just thinking about our old Patreons.
And then you brought it up on Tuesday show. Yeah,
that we're putting you.
Speaker 2: Guys listened to yesterday's Thursday's Classic episode because it's a
I'm releasing a few patreons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now people can listen to us back in the
day when we had like a lot of shit going on,
and we had kids running around and we were overwhelmed
and bumming like diapers and pirate booties off of other
moms at the park, and I was.
Speaker 2: Having a lot of like mixing it up with elementary school.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, and I was telling teachers that they
need to take hormonal paletts so they don't have to
freeze my kids out in their classroom.
Speaker 2: I'm having an issue with a kid. So I was
thinking about this for a Patreon and then I was like, no,
because I think that people might even know suffice it
to say that one of my kids is having an
issue with a kid at school, and the kid at
school is definitely in the wrong, you know, And I'm
I would be I would I be the first to
say call out my kids for them being wrong. No,
I wouldn't be the first one. I'd you know, it
would have to really be proven to me that my
kids are not perfect angels. But I'm telling you I've
been there from the beginning of this situation. I've seen
texts this other kid is is an asshole, right, you know,
is being an asshole. And I was having this thing
of like, you know what, maybe I'm going to write
to the school and like write to the counselor and
be like this is unacceptable. And then I was like,
the fuck am I thinking about It's the end of
senior year. Like I was like, Stephanie, get I get
very tired. You are done. You are so done.
Speaker 1: It does not matter the keyboard away to retire. I'm
gonna miss so I listen to our old patrons.
Speaker 2: I know, but I was like that. First of all,
the kid in question would absolutely kill me. They'd be like,
I can handle this on my own, thank you. I
do not like but you know, in my mind, I'm like, well,
I don't my kid already went to the counselor, And
I'm like, I don't feel like the counselor is doing
anything about it. And then I realized, you know why,
because they have bigger fish to fry, Because my kids
are not really in trouble right ever, Yeah, they're not yes,
So this other kid accused one of my kids of
something that was like really egregious and ridiculous, and then
that my kid's being called into the counselor's office and
asked for their side of the story. But then that
the counselor got distracted and was like, we'll pick this
up another time. And my kid was like, well.
Speaker 1: It's fucked up because like I did get to say
my side, and I go, yeah, that's because they know
that you didn't do anything, and they don't care, right,
They just they're going through the motions exactly.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, you're not in trouble. They're like, yeah,
but still I want to say. I want to say
what happened. And I'm like, they don't care.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but still they got kids green and out the
bathroom like right, being taken from school in an ambulance.
Speaker 2: They got drug snippet. They don't care about.
Speaker 1: The small potatoes. Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Did you hear?
I just heard the story this morning, this Orange County.
It happened in Orange County or Lake Forest wherever that is.
This Orange County fourteen year old boy had a e
bike electric bike, and well he's okay, Oh, but he
was doing wheelies and was driving it recklessly through the neighborhood,
hit and killed an eighty five year old man, a
veteran from like a Korean veteran, like he survived the
wars and shit and walking his dog in his neighborhood.
Hit and killed the guy. And guess who's responsible. Guess
who got arrested for manslaughter? The mother? Yeah, why I
just heard this on the way into the podcast today.
Because he's fourteen and she let him. He's not supposed
to be driving this electric bike. I guess around the
neighbor I don't know, but the parent is being held responsible.
She got arrested. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that seems crazy, but I guess if you
have like an expected outcome, like if you're if it's dangerous.
I mean, there's been.
Speaker 1: Those cases where kids who have gotten guns, yes, right,
and committed shootings, the parents were held responsible. Yeah, but
that's because the one I'm thinking of in particular, the
parents literally bought their kid a gun. I remember that story.
I followed the story. Oh yeah, we talked to Michigan. Yeah, Michigan,
the kid was Your parents went and tried to hide out.
Speaker 2: Remember they like split town yet and they're like living
in like a warehouse, right, and the.
Speaker 1: Mom like bought the the dad bought the kid a gun.
But then the mom posted it on Instagram like mommy,
Mommy Sunday at the shooting range was teaching him how
to shoot the gun. Then he was like putting in
his diary and stuff like I want to see a
therapist and they're like no, you're fine, Like it's like
I'm hearing things and like no, and then like the tea. Yeah,
that was a crazy story. Then they got called to
the principal's office. They found stuff on his book, like
on his a diary or writing something in his textbook
and his notebook, and they're like, yeah, the you parents
have to come in.
Speaker 2: You got to get him help. And they're like okay,
yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And they left the kid at the school and the
kid had the gun in the bag that day and
shot up the school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, those parents were held responsible and they're both
in jail, those two. It's also a little different than
like letting your kid write an ebu.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, now I know. So I'm going to follow
that story and fire e bikes like like driving a car.
Sonny has an e bike. It's it's it's both. It's
like hybrid. It's like a prius, like you can peddle it,
but then you can kick it into the power, like
if you're going up pail. I don't know, it's like that.
But this kid, he hit the guy and he took off.
He didn't stop or say anything or ask for help.
Oh hit and run and run. He took it and
he hit it and like panicked and took off. I know.
It's like eighty three year old man with his walk
and his dog. That is really sad. You know what
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I know, I miss Matt Fondalier. I think he's doing good. Yeah,
seem sometimes on face book. Still in Austin. Still in Austin,
working and I'm not sure what he's doing. It was
doing that podcast with the lawyers for a while.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's doing that it.
Speaker 1: And then he was like doing some documentary for some
movie or something, some crime documentary.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh, yeah, we should find out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know I should reach out to him. But
speaking of crime documentaries, yeah, hey, should I marry a murderer?
Speaker 2: Okay? I have a lot to say about this and
also kind of nothing to say at the same time.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Like it was so stupid.
Speaker 2: It was stupid, right, yes, it was.
Speaker 1: It was kind of ridiculous, and even like I love
a good crime doc and when it came up on
my Netflix thing, I looked at it and I did
think something about it was kind of off, and then
you sent the text and said we should watch it,
and kind of like, you know.
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be kind of stupid or bad or something. Right,
it did have certain vibees that reminded me of abducted
in plain sight. Yeah, here's here's the situation. This woman
starts dating this guy. She has a very bad track
record with dudes. But she's smart, she said, she's a
she's a doctor, forensic forensic. She she you know, takes
does the autopsies, right, yeah, she does autopsies. But she's
also like very cute and young and blonde and chatting
some mental illness issues that come out that are going
to come out, but she, I don't know, maybe the
last guy kind of fucked her over. She thought they
were going to be together for a long time and
he broke up with her, and now she's like, oh
my god, nobody treats me right, you know. So she
meets this guy. He starts love bombing her right away. Yeah,
super super love bombing. You're you're the one for me,
and they start that. It gets hot and heavy right away.
Not very long into it, I want to say, like
weeks into it. He's like, listen, you are so fucking hot.
I'm so attracted to you. Also, I really trust you,
but like, can I tell you something?
Speaker 1: Got a secret?
Speaker 2: She's like, sure, what's on your mind? And he's like, well,
I kind of in a way, Well, I definitely hit
a biker, hit a guy on a bike. It was
with my brother. We hit a guy on a bike
and we kind of didn't tell anybody, and then we
just buried him, right And she's like, what the what?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And also the guy he's a farmer and he
lives out in the middle of bumfuck. The first time,
like when she was like going out with him, she's
like she just didn't give a shit. She just drove
out to the middle of nowhere to meet some guy
she met on like a hinge.
Speaker 2: Who kills animals for a living by works in like
a he slaughters animals.
Speaker 1: Just turned it off because when I when I saw that,
because I'm like, I can't want, I don't want to want,
and I hate I hate hunting shit, I can't watch it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh he teaches hunting yess, but he also
kills any any skins them or whatever. It's so they
both had they both had that.
Speaker 1: In common because she's she does autopsy right and so
does her.
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh my god, we are so we
are so twins right now, we both like dead bodies.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, come over and he's like, sure, what the fuck,
let's do it like the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Because she's not making great decisions from the
beginning of this documentary. She's making bad decisions. So then
he tells her this, and what does she do. She's like,
oh shit, that sounds pretty bad.
Speaker 1: Like like wait a minute, yeah again again. The other
guy's looking a lot better now, not another asshold no gosh.
Then she doesn't do anything about it right away. She's like,
well he kills is it that bad? But let me
let me not be super hard on him, yeah, because
we get along really well, right, other than the killing somebody.
But then she's then he starts telling her more details
about it, and he's like, yeah, like we buried the
body and we didn't like tell anybody, and then we
took out the car to our sim cards out and
like it starts seeming worse.
Speaker 2: It's harder for her.
Speaker 1: To deny that this is like right fucked up. But
at the same time, she's getting married. She's engaged now
to this guy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: She gets the.
Speaker 1: Wedding dress and everything, so like simultaneously he's telling her
that he like you know, killed the guy and like
buried him and destroyed the evidence. But then also, hey,
you want to get married, right, And she's like okay.
Speaker 2: So then she's like, okay, maybe, like what would I
do in the same situation, Like maybe they just got
scared and they felt really bad, but like they were
scared and they didn't know what to do. So at
first she tries to tell herself that I'm pretty sure.
He's like, no, we weren't really that scared. We just
you know, I mean, what were we going to do?
Speaker 1: But then I feel like it was it at that
point that he's like, oh, by the way, this one
other tiny detail about it. He was still alive, right,
and so we didn't like call for help or anything, right,
because he was probably going to die soon anyway, so
we buried him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then she starts like kind of freaking out,
and then she look, oh, I know, she looks up
the guy like in the newspaper, right, and she's like,
oh my god, this is like for real, for real
missing cyclist. Yes he was. He was driving on his charity. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was an older like a dad, and he
was dry. He was riding his bike. He didn't want
to take breaks. He was on a charity run and
it was at night, and they happened to collide into him,
and then yeah, he was He was still alive when
they and so.
Speaker 2: The problem was like not that they hit him, but
that they didn't call for help. So she's trying to
make this okay in her brain for a little while,
and then she's like, well, this guy was missing and
the parents and the kid looking for their dad and
like so she's like, shit, I got to tell the police, right,
So then she tells the police and they're like Okay,
well we need evidence. Yeah, so you got to go
like hang out with them and get it collect evidence.
Right now, This is where I had a question for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now she's freaked out because she knows she went
to the police and she's got to pretend like nothing's
wrong and hang out with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Does she have sex with him?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: I'm sure, okay, because throughout this whole thing, he's not
sensing that anything's wrong, right, because she's acting like everything's
fine and they're still getting married. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then she goes to her parents' house. Oh, I know,
they're at her parents' house. And then she tells her
parents right, and they're like, oh no, not another one. God,
you have the worst taste in men.
Speaker 1: When you're stupid bad joys.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they're all Scottish es and like, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, like you have a good life, Like
why do you got to pick these losers all the time?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then she starts kind of having some mental health,
like she's started there. She stressed out, she threw she she.
Speaker 1: Took the red bull can. She found out. She went
out with him and got him to say where they
buried the body, Yes, and she was taking a secret
uh voice recording, right, she recorded a lot of conversations
with this guy, yes, to share the police that she's
not some crazy chick.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she discarded the red bull can and he
was like, what are you doing? And she's like, oh, sorry.
She pretended to go back and pick it up.
Speaker 2: She pretended it first to just be littering, right, like,
which I pictured to be very a very funny moment
where she just takes her red bull like like scrunches
it in her hand and just throws it. And he's like,
what dude, what the fuck you're littering?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: I don't want to be with somebody who litters.
Speaker 1: He's like, go pick it up, right, So she pretended
to pick it up, but she left it there to
some market for the police to find the body where
the body was buried, right, yeah, so then they have
to take the body and have the autopsy result. Right,
they're waiting on them.
Speaker 2: They no, no, no, they can't find the body, is
the thing. So she's told the police and the police
are like, yeah, but without the body, we can't, like,
we can't charge this guy. We have to find the body.
So you've got to stay with him and like pretend
to be into him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now she's like, fuck, well, I guess I better
do a bunch of drugs and drink a lot.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So then she's starting and it's him and his twin
brother are the ones that did it, right, I forgot
the guy's name, but the brother Andy and yes, Sandy
and Robert or something. Yeah. Okay, So she's hanging with
Sandy and Robert and she's like, yeah, you know, it's
just really hard to like hang out without like just
I guess you just got to do a bunch of
coke and just drink a lot. Yeah, so you can
kind of forget about it, right. So I'm like, okay,
so you're just in like a drug fueled binge. And
then she's like yeah, and then also I just got
really manic. Okay. So then the parents are like, what
the fuck are you doing? You got to get away
from this guy? Oh okay, wait when did they? So
they find the red bull can the police and they
kind of have a suspicion that the body is buried there,
but they have not found the body. So they go
and they arrest him though, right right, And then she's like,
oh my god, he's gonna know. I'm the one that told.
And the police are like, he probably won't, and she's like,
who the fuck else would have told?
Speaker 1: It? Would have told the police, right.
Speaker 2: So then they then though. Sandy is like what the fuck?
Like somebody somebody rap us out and he thinks that
somebody else. He thinks it's like like maybe his brother
got drunk and told somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: How did they not suspect her? I like, that's like, man,
somebody is not being supportive right now. I guess like,
I mean that sucked now.
Speaker 1: I know I fell asleep through this thing like three times.
That's why I'm when did they? So they arrest them,
but then they let him go. They had to let
him go, right, They have to let him go because
they had nobody and he cannot PreTect it.
Speaker 2: So then then they freaking find out that the Red
Bull can they find the Red Bull can, and then
he's like what the fuck and he calls her and
he's like, I'm gonna fuck you up, like the Red
Bull Can you set me up? Man? Like it was you?
It was you all along. And then he's like I'm
coming over right, So she doesn't call the police. She's like,
oh man, he's gonna come and kill me. So he
comes over and he's like upset. Yeah, and then she's
like but he was like fine, he was totally.
Speaker 1: Because she like recorded and he was like, hey, I
can't blame you for doing it. I want to do
a line.
Speaker 2: What the fuck? What is going on in this?
Speaker 1: Like stories, this is nuts? Yes, it's crazy. So then
she's like, well he was like cool, cool. Yeah, he's
like cool, cool, Yeah, it's kind of for the best.
I guess that whatever, we probably won't get in trouble anyway,
they'll never find the body. So then she's mad at
the police because she's like, these freaking cops didn't even
try to protect me, Like they didn't arrest him, and
they basically told him that they found the red bull can,
which implicates me. So like fuck all y'all, and I'm
gonna hang out with these guys. Her parents were like,
what are you talking about that? It's like dangerous, and
she goes, I'm gonna go live with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So she goes to where they like kill animals, yes,
and she like on their farm with them, and she's
like yeah, so then we just like started just doing
drugs all the time, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what the hell? And then so okay,
so that happens. Okay, So then and also the police
were supposed to give her like some kind of witness
something program to help.
Speaker 2: Her and like a victim Yeah, yeah, like a way
did it? Yeah they didn't. But that doesn't even come
up until later. So right now she's like living with
these guys. So then she's pretending to play a chess
game online, which is so relatable, right, And she decides
that while she's playing chess, she's gonna like voice record.
They start talking about it, right, And she starts voice recording,
and she realizes that neither of these guys have any empathy.
They don't give a fuck. They're just talking about it.
And they're like, yeah, that guy's a cunt, which shouldn't
have been not the same as us saying cunt.
Speaker 1: Right it is. They're like they're a Scottish or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's a little more cash. Yeah, but they're like, yeah,
he's just a stupid cunt. She shouldn't have been there. Yeah,
they don't feel bad, and she's like, but don't you
feel kind of bad about it? And they're like, no,
not really.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Then she's like, oh my god, these are bad guys.
No shit, this is where I was like, this is
like objected in plain sight. And they're like, oh my god,
you're going to kidnap our daughter again. Well you're just
now realizing that these are not good guys. She's like, hmmm,
I'm going to go back to my parents' house, right,
So she leaves, goes back to her parents' house, and
then she turns in the recording of them saying like
that guy's a cunt and yeah. So now the police
are like, well, now we're really mad at these guys,
and now we got to really look into it. Yeah, yeah,
now we're serious about this.
Speaker 1: They look into his car, they found out that he
got the car fixed right after the accident, and then
they find out the bicycle. They don't find the bible,
they don't find the bicycle, but they find out or
they're looking for the bicycle. Oh no, she recorded, didn't
she record him saying that he threw the bicycle into
one of the waterfall yeah, waterfall?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So so then they're gonna go to court. Then they're
going to charge him, and then they call her and
they're like, hey, good news, we charged him, and she's
like okay, great, but they're like we're going to need
you to testify. But then she's like, fuck, I'm like
so fucked up on drugs, Like that's all this is
going to come out. I'm gonna look totally unreliable. I've
got bipolar disorder. Yeah, like, no one's gonna believe me.
This is going to totally ruin my reputation. So she
goes kind of crazy. The day that she's supposed to
show up in court to testify.
Speaker 1: She gets she decides like she goes boy, yeah, she bounces,
but then she's like all drunk. She gets up in
the morning, she does a bunch of cocaine, she drinks
a bunch of she's wine in the comanic, she takes.
Speaker 2: The one and she's like, I'm gonna find the bicycle,
and she's videotaping herself the whole time, Yeah, with like
like stars above her head, like when TikTok with like
a dog nose, Yes, like her face is fat one
minute and then it's like like what the fuck She's
like on Snapchat this whole time, videotaping herself. Look I'm
gonna find the bike because then I'll look I won't
look like a crazy nut job, right, So I'm gonna
do that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do everybody a face. Yeah, too late. She
goes out there, she looks for She's like driving and
walking and talking to herself and talking to the camera.
And then she's like, you know what this is getting,
I'm tired of walking, so I gotta find something. She's
different modality.
Speaker 2: Full him bike.
Speaker 1: I can't find it, She's like, so she she she
hijacks a uh what do you call it? A tractor? Right? Yeah,
So she steals the tractors like, yes, they left the
keys in. She gets in the tractor, drives the tractor
to the waterfall, gets like halfway into the water, and goes,
it's cold, it's cold, I can't and then starts singing
some French song. Yes, like she's like, yes, videotaping herself
by the waterfall or something. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way,
helicopters are circling above her head. Not stars, but helicopters
are now like looking for her because she was supposed
to be in court that day and now they're like
she's on the run. They got a warrant out for
her rest. She like hides out in some barn for
a second, and then she just decides to give up
by the waterfall and sing some French song and then
the cops come and swoop and take her away. Yes,
and then she gets arrested and puts in jail.
Speaker 2: She gets arrested and goes to jail.
Speaker 1: The story is insane.
Speaker 2: But then the guy's spoiler alert falls forward. What happens? Yeah,
then they plead, so then she doesn't have to testify.
Speaker 1: What's with this, like the video of them in court
by the way, Like what's with all the close ups
of the two the twin brothers and the close up
of the judge And can we like retire the hair
wig thing? You know, it's their tradition, but it's kind
of silly for US Americans to see. It is a
little shocking. Yeah, but yeah, So they go to the
they plead guilty. So they and then she's sitting in
jail and they're like, hey, great news, you're out of
jail because we're done.
Speaker 2: They plied guilty. Yeah, crazy fucking story. And basically the
whole thing is about how sad it is for her
that they didn't the police didn't treat her well and
like which agree, But also she was already had mental illness.
It wasn't just the trauma from this, right, she was
already a little bit of a mess.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, crazy documentary.
Speaker 2: Ye have you watched it? Oh and you were going
to tell me that you did. Finally listen. I listened
to Witness. What was it date?
Speaker 1: It was a dateline, right, it's forty eight hours and yeah,
I found it on iTunes and I listened to it,
and it's it's a sad story basically where I like
to watch it. I like to see these these shows.
But I listened to it because you wanted me to
hear the story. Yes, and you know this woman she
gave up her kids for she had to give up
her kids for adoption or put him in the foster y.
Speaker 2: She had she had to put him in foster care.
Speaker 1: Okay, and they were she had like a he was
two and a four year old.
Speaker 2: Two and a yeah, no, like I want to say
the one was like eighteen months and the other one
was three at the time.
Speaker 1: Oh, right, okay. And basically the eighteen month old was
in this home with these the foster parents that have
agreed he was.
Speaker 2: Two, yeah, maybe he was two yeah, the other one
was like three and a half.
Speaker 1: He had a great track record, these foster parents, they
fostered lots of kids, ninety kids. Yeah, they've been doing
it for years. And they also interviewed like adults that
were in their care and said that they were great parents.
They were never nothing. But you know, the dad was
stern but never laid a hand on anybody. And the
eighteen month old was wound up in the morning, blew
and unresponsive and wasn't breathing right, and they called nine
to one one and well basically they they looked at
the kid like something happened. He was suffocated, and I
don't remember how did they figure it. They thought it
was the dad told that said that the foster dad.
His brother three and a half year old, said that
he saw his the foster dad put the pillow over
his brother's head and to get him to stop crying.
Speaker 2: Right, So the dad got arrested.
Speaker 1: The foster the foster guy, right, cals whatever, yeah, right,
And then he got a defense team going and basically
they said no, no, no, no, like he didn't do it.
The kid, the brother did it. The three and a
half year old did it. And it was like, that's
your defense, it.
Speaker 2: Was, but see that's the thing. Yeah, I agree with you.
I'm sure the foster dead did do it. But I
thought they made kind of a good point because the
kid was like a really traumatized, seemed a little sociopathic, right,
But I feel like threatened the he had threatened his
brother with violence a lot, right to kill him.
Speaker 1: That's true. But I feel like the defense.
Speaker 2: And the auster mom had had made complaints about the
kid the other trying to hurt his brother, right right, Yeah,
that both of that ever happened.
Speaker 1: I think both of the kids were pretty rambunctious and like, yeah, yeah,
hard to settle down, right, And the dad said he
was going in there and his back and trying to
get him to go to sleep. But the brother said
the dad put the pillow over and smothered the kid.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well he said he pushed him into the
pillow so he was face down, right. He said he
was pushed him into the pillow and held him like
that because he was rubbing his back yeah. But then
and then they were like, well, maybe what you thought
you saw was he was giving the kid CPR. Oh right, right,
And the kid was like no, but the kid did
not definitely did not have the story straight.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: No, And he was like no at the time, Yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 1: And also they had experts that came in and said,
a four year old kid does cannot have the strength
or the whatever to suffocate his brother. He's four, and
you know, the experts were, I don't know, so I
don't you think that the little boy did it.
Speaker 2: It was kind of That's why I wanted you to
listen to it, because I was like, why do I
kind of think that that's possibility?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I did think of it. I was
looking at it both ways. I definitely was like, I
feel like a three and a.
Speaker 2: Half year old could if he was strong, and he
was that's fl functious that he just got on top
of him.
Speaker 1: And was you know yeah. And then he had to
testify in trial say what he saw, and then the
defense was like blaming it. Yeah, and then the mom,
the biological mom, was like, you know, fighting for her son,
like he wouldn't he didn't do it? You know the
dad did it or whatever. Yeah, And then so the end,
basically the dad was like, got found not.
Speaker 2: Guilty because they couldn't prove it. They couldn't prove it.
Now here's the thing that would lend more to your
theory and probably ninety nine point nine percent of the
population that listened to its theory, which is he did
admit the foster dad did admit that he was kind
of mad as the kid wouldn't stop crying and he
was like basically like shut up, stop crying.
Speaker 1: And he was working like you know, double hours or whatever.
He was tired, and he couldn't get the kid to
stop crying.
Speaker 2: Right, But how come no other kid said that he
was like violent in any way.
Speaker 1: Right, So that's what made me think people can snap.
You know, maybe he snapped, but like, how did they
find him not guilty that, you know what I mean?
Just so if he's not guilty, then who did it?
Did they think the kid did it?
Speaker 2: I mean, that was the reasonable doubt was maybe the
kid did do it. I guess yeah, I don't know,
because the jury when they were talking to them afterwards,
they're like, well, we don't think the kid did it,
But we're also not sure if he did it right.
Speaker 1: There wasn't enough proof. Yeah, yeah, it was an interesting
story though.
Speaker 2: I thought it was pretty good. Yeah yeah, let's see.
I also wanted to tell you. I wanted to your
opinion on this. So it's almost the end of the year,
as you know, the school year, not the end of
the year. It's almost the end of the school year.
Speaker 1: I still have school aged children, and by that I
mean Sadie and Xander.
Speaker 2: I'm not really counting LB. By the way, Xander committed
to Chapman. Yes, congratulations, thank you. Oh my god, that's great. Yeah,
it's it's it's really good. I think it's going to
be great.
Speaker 1: I think so too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we were going back and forth a
little bit between Santa Barbara and Chapman. Santa Barbara being
a great school, good reputation, Yeah, more academic.
Speaker 1: But I think that I think it's going to be
perfect for him. That program that people talking about, yeah,
Dodge College. Yeah, I think that's going to be perfect.
I think that's Gonnave. I think so too.
Speaker 2: It's like an hour and a half.
Speaker 1: No, it's very social, like, Yeah, I think it's perfect.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to make friends. I think he's
going to enjoy the classes. I think there's plenty of
stuff to do there. But then, you know, I was
getting myself like worked up about like is it too small?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: But I think it's going to be totally fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah I think so too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but okay, So coming to the end of the year,
Xander is super overwhelmed. So Sadie has been working on
There's something about Sadie. Even though she's not going to
like for your school, she still takes everything very serious.
She's trying to get good grades. In my mind, but
I don't want to be a bad influence. I'm like, why,
it doesn't matter? Who cares?
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 2: Literally, who cares? It doesn't matter. I did terrible in
high school. It didn't matter. But you know, she wants
to be like, try hard, go ahead, so she's doing it.
She's always been that way though, I know, and she's
my little struggler, so it's extra. It's pretty cool to
see her like, even though things don't come as easy
to her, she's still really try the effort. So she's
got this AP studio art project, so they don't do
a traditional AP test the project and it's due today
when you're listening to this on Friday, it's due today, okay,
And she's still it's just been like it eats up
every day. She's super stressed about it. She's having to
run these photo shoots. We bought equipment for it. She's
doing wardrobe for people because it's it's rock and roll
music through the day. It's the culture of relationships because
of music through the decades.
Speaker 1: That's really cool.
Speaker 2: So it's like friendships. It's like, how does music bring
people to how has it been a.
Speaker 1: Cod Me and Suday and are best friends because of
Bruce Springstein. Oh my god, yes, exact Stewart our best
friends as a Bruce br Yes.
Speaker 2: So her thing, though is to take these different genres
of music. So like she just did a shoot yesterday
for SKA. So it's really cute, like skateboard. They did
it at a skateboard place, but they were doing music anyway.
It doesn't really know she.
Speaker 1: Collaborates with other students or it's just her own.
Speaker 2: It's her own project. Oh boy. So she's getting people
to be part of it. She's getting people to like help.
She's done music concerts. I think I even showed you
some of her pictures that she took, but those aren't
the ones of like gigs right. But anyway, here's the thing.
I keep getting these notifications from school about how many
tarties she has. Uh huh, She's got like twenty five
tarties right now?
Speaker 1: Right? Is that My kids had tartis too, but like
that many you got it? I mean they had a lot, yeah,
especially after COVID, like they were just like didn't take
school seriously at the time. There was, yes, they had
a lot, and I was getting you just got to
suck it up.
Speaker 2: It's only like.
Speaker 1: A couple more weeks away for graduation, but like I
should suck it up, or the kids should suck it
up and try to get there on time.
Speaker 2: Or the school should suck it up.
Speaker 1: Well all three. I told the school to suck it up.
Speaker 2: I just don't respond. And then notification.
Speaker 1: It was like towards the end of the senior year,
and they like the seniors feel like they can just
do whatever they want in senior year. So all their
friends were getting them too. I like moms where we
were texting each other like what do we do with
these tarty notices? It's like, I don't know what, tell
the school to stuck it up, right, right, it's almost over.
And by the way, they're getting their grades done, they're
getting good grades. They're like, you know, passing their classes.
Speaker 2: So and also second semester of senior year, like it
doesn't matter. Yes, I don't even think those grades get reported.
So the schools at that point, because they've already committed,
they don't. I don't think they. I think you can
resend an offer by mid year grades. Well that ship
is sailed, Like, yes, mid year grades already got turned in.
Xander's and sades doesn't matter. I don't think anything could,
like unless he failed some classes, right, they might, I
don't know, but it doesn't. It doesn't matter. So I
don't know why they keep going like this is a problem,
you know, and it's like the next step is that
I get I'm gonna have to get called in and
I'm like, I don't know what I'm gonna say. Sadie
drives them to school every day. I wake them up
because a lot of times she does not get up
even though her alarm goes off. So I do go, hey,
get up, you got to get to school. Try to
be on time, right, But like they need to leave
the house by nine o'clock. Yeah, A lot of times
it's like nine oh five and they're just walking out
the door, and I'm like, they're probably gonna be tarty,
right right, Well, what can I do?
Speaker 1: I mean, talk to them and tell them, like, hey,
let's try and make an effort. It's like the last
happy I know, what else are you going to do?
I mean, that's like.
Speaker 2: Why am I how do I get hurt? Exactly? Why
am I getting the name your kids are?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, why are you saying to us?
Speaker 2: I know? But how like I can't force them to
be on time? Right, So I'm just like, why do
I feel guilty about it? Like, okay, any how many
more weeks are left? There's like four weeks to school?
I think four?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm going to see doctor knock around tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Oh tomorrow, Yeah, okay, you're going to show him you're
a thing on your neck.
Speaker 1: I did. I went to a dermatologist for the thing
on my back and my neck. My back one was hurting,
and I thought like they were going to take care
of it and get rid of the cyst then and
there right oh, she comes in and looks at it goes, okay,
we'll have to make an appointment for you to come back.
And I don't do both cysts in one day. You
have to come back for twice twice why I don't know.
I don't know. And I'm like, you can't do it today,
at least the one on my back, and she goes,
I could just give you a steroid shot for the
one on your back since it's hurting, but then come
back in two weeks and if it's still inflame, then
we'll just do the one on the neck.
Speaker 2: And then you'll have to still wait to go, like
do I five?
Speaker 1: I don't know. So I'm gonna see doctor knock around
tomorrow and see what he thinks. Maybe he's got somebody
that can get rid of the cyst, because I know
what it is. She explained it to me. It's just liquid,
you know, that gets trapped under the skin. It's like
it's like a ZiT, but it's becomes a cyst and
it needs to be cut open and it needs to
the whole thing needs to come out. You can't just
squeeze it and be like okay, like a like a
regular ZiT kind of thing. Sorry, it's TMI, but like, yeah,
you have to cut it open so they numb it. Yeah,
Glunden sent me a text from last week. It's like
TMI on your Friday show. I'm like, I don't even remember.
Oh yeah, we.
Speaker 2: Talked about vitamin D constipation.
Speaker 1: Ut sorry Glenn, Yeah, over your ears.
Speaker 2: Well gosh, okay, I hope, I hope. Uh knock around
can do something tomorrow. But do you have an appointment
for to go back to the dermatology?
Speaker 1: Yes in two weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Well I'm glad. It's nothing though, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's nothing. I even saw it on I looked it
up on the internet and I watched a video how
they remove it, and I was like, oh god, I
can't wae it and I couldn't watch it. Yeah, they like,
I can't watch that stuff. Medical stuff where they cut
you open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ooh with like a like probably like an exact
don't if?
Speaker 1: Yes, like an exact? Yeah, like an exact don't I?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want me to do it?
Speaker 1: Can you do it? Yes?
Speaker 2: All right, I'll do it.
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