1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,439 Speaker 1: Moved on to Chicago. Would you be do you have 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:04,000 an open would you be so kind to take us 3 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:05,000 through their offseason? 4 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:05,759 Speaker 2: Vitals? 5 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 3: Sure? 6 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:08,759 Speaker 4: They have got about twenty eight million dollars in cap space. 7 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,160 That puts them about sixty four million below the Tacks 8 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:14,320 seventy two point six million below the first Apron. 9 00:00:14,519 --> 00:00:17,519 Speaker 3: All this is via a fourteen player projection. 10 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,839 Speaker 4: That includes Caleb Wilson, Dalen Swain, Leonard Miller's team option, 11 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,640 and Cam Jones. Does not include free agent holds Franferony Simons, 12 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,160 Colin Sexton or Zach Is that Zach Collins? 13 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, Zach Collins. 14 00:00:30,399 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 4: They are hard capped at the first Apron because of 15 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,799 the Nick Claxton trade, which I guess could still just 16 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,960 continue to expand who knows. At this point, they'll have 17 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,640 the nine point one million dollar room exception. They've got 18 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:44,200 a a TPE worth eighteen million dollars from the Kevin 19 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:48,240 Herder deal. The usban Jang TPE is worth six point 20 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,719 seven million. They got to renounce both of those for 21 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,880 cap space if they want to play that game. Notable 22 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,560 free agents Zach Collins, Nick Richards, Colin Sexton, Simons, Grishaon Yabusele, 23 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,920 Those guys are all unrestrict did Yuki Kawamura, Mac McClung, 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,239 Lachlan Olbrick are restricted. They've got team options on Leonard 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,840 Miller for two point four million and Mohammadu Gay at 26 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,280 two point four million as well. Simons and Sexton are 27 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,359 both eligible for extensions. Three years and one hundred and 28 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,959 four million would be Simons, Max Sexton's would be three 29 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:21,920 years and seventy two million. Nick Richard, Zach Collins, Leonder 30 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,760 Miller all also eligible for extensions, as is Isaac kccorro. 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,120 First round pick situation, they got all their own firsts 32 00:01:29,159 --> 00:01:30,799 going forward, they can trade up to four of them. 33 00:01:31,079 --> 00:01:33,319 Those would be in the odd years coming up. So 34 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:38,280 twenty seven, twenty nine, thirty one, thirty three highest paid 35 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,840 players Josh Giddy at twenty five million dollars, which is 36 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,519 that's I mean, how there cannot be many more teams 37 00:01:43,519 --> 00:01:46,319 that have their highest paid player making twenty five or less. 38 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,359 Nick Claxton twenty three million, Patrick Williams eighteen, isaacccoro just 39 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:54,079 under twelve, Kale Wilson just under eleven. That's that's wild too. 40 00:01:54,239 --> 00:01:56,920 Their first their most recent first round pick, or highest 41 00:01:56,959 --> 00:01:59,400 recent first round pick is their fifth highest paid player. Yeah, 42 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:03,760 so some of the cap space they had has gone 43 00:02:03,799 --> 00:02:07,280 to Claxton I suppose is one way to think of it. 44 00:02:07,359 --> 00:02:11,439 And they are kind of starting over under bryceon Graham. 45 00:02:11,479 --> 00:02:15,800 Now Thiego Splitter is the new head coach. This is 46 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:20,439 a pretty much ground up rebuild at this point. So 47 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,680 what do you start with, like I guess, and how 48 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:27,680 long is this going to take? And and like where 49 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,280 do they go from here? As they they really they 50 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,159 finally did it right, So that's great. We're happy for 51 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:37,840 this is a fresh start. What's like move number one, 52 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,919 what's the direction, what's the what's the overall plan here? Now? 53 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: I I'm I think it's they're just an asset accumulation 54 00:02:46,439 --> 00:02:49,879 mode where you could hope that Caleb Wilson or maybe 55 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,840 modest Bouzellis is your primary building block. But it's TBD 56 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:55,520 for sure. On kayleb Wilson, we have he was a 57 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:56,919 top four pick. He was one of those in the 58 00:02:57,039 --> 00:02:59,639 draft where it thought, oh there's four cornerstones and he 59 00:02:59,759 --> 00:03:02,120 was number four. But you need to see it on 60 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:05,479 the court and what does he turned into offensively? I 61 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,479 am curious. One of the things I'm asking first as 62 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,039 this team is Who's I don't want to say is 63 00:03:13,479 --> 00:03:17,599 who's untouchable, but it's is modest Buzzellis, Does Bryson Graham 64 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,400 view him as a building block? Does he view jobs 65 00:03:19,479 --> 00:03:21,919 like those are two names that, no, you don't have 66 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,080 to make a decision on, but for the team that 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,199 you're building, are those players that you view as these 68 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:30,039 are long term fits for us? And I always find 69 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,879 it interesting because what's not mentioned probably enough about the 70 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:35,240 maybe they'll melow ball thing as Charlotte is he was 71 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,599 never that front office's draft pick. And so you come 72 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:40,479 in with these new regimes, and even if these players 73 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,960 are there for a while, you don't necessarily know how 74 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,240 they truly feel until these guys maybe are starting to 75 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,080 get paid. And with Motus Buzzellis, he's gonna go in 76 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,439 a year three, He's going to be extension eligible after 77 00:03:50,479 --> 00:03:54,000 next season. And so I think that that's a conversation Internally, 78 00:03:54,039 --> 00:03:56,520 you're probably having to say, Okay, what is is anything 79 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,120 here bolted down? Aside from I think you start Caleb 80 00:03:59,159 --> 00:04:03,599 Wilson untouchable, who else is bolted down into this core? 81 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:04,719 Speaker 3: Nobody? 82 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: I think I don't feel like you you would have 83 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,759 to say that the environment did not really give anybody 84 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,960 an opportunity to to prove like, well, I look like 85 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:19,920 a winning player on a team that's relevant like Bozelle's 86 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,319 probably comes closest to that, but I would I would 87 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:25,800 argue that still his biggest, like the biggest point in 88 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,120 his favor is the mystery box thing, like nobody's really 89 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,240 sure what his what he's going to be or or 90 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,879 if he's like anything more than a high energy role 91 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:37,439 player that's like maybe a decent starter, Like that's still 92 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,399 like a low end possibility. 93 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: So yeah, no, you don't. 94 00:04:42,399 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 4: You don't get to be like Josh Giddy is beyond 95 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:48,040 like like just the untouchable. 96 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 3: That's ridiculous. 97 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:50,519 Speaker 4: Like if you would trade him in a heartbeat, if 98 00:04:50,519 --> 00:04:53,720 you could get a pick or two or like a 99 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,319 couple of rookie scale salaries. I think so to me, 100 00:04:57,399 --> 00:05:00,600 it's an easy answer, like, yeah, you're gonna what Caleb 101 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,000 Wilson can do. Literally everybody else is like, well what 102 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:04,959 do you give me for him? 103 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 3: Right? It has to be that And. 104 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:09,639 Speaker 2: A correction that was a mistake on my end. 105 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:11,519 Speaker 1: They're not hard capped at the first apart because I 106 00:05:11,519 --> 00:05:13,879 forgot they took Nick Claxton into cap space that you 107 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,120 were talking about, so even more flexible? 108 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: Would you could you move? Like, wouldn't there be a. 109 00:05:20,879 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: Market for Josh Gutty if you said we want to 110 00:05:23,399 --> 00:05:25,480 move him? 111 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 4: I think I don't think he's a negative value contract, 112 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:32,360 which I would have been surprised by. 113 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: Uh. 114 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 4: I'm sure I was critical enough of it when they 115 00:05:36,319 --> 00:05:40,759 signed it to There's probably something out there of me 116 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:43,600 suggesting it might be a negative value contract at some point. 117 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: Twenty five million. 118 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: Stick the sticker price still get you a little bit, 119 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,160 right when you take it percentages of the cap it 120 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:49,680 makes sense. 121 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: But then it's all hundred million dollars for Josh Guiney. 122 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,759 Speaker 4: I mean twenty five million dollars is like a low 123 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,480 end low end. It is like not a not a 124 00:05:58,519 --> 00:06:02,240 great starter salary, right anymore, So, if you think Josh 125 00:06:02,199 --> 00:06:04,879 Getty can be your fifth best fourth or fifth best starter, 126 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,800 he's probably worth that. He's still not even twenty four like, 127 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:13,040 So I think I think he's a positive value player. 128 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:14,439 Speaker 3: Uh. 129 00:06:16,879 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 4: More like whatever is slightly more than marginally? So yeah, 130 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,120 I do you agree with that? Like's not he's not 131 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:26,279 neutral value? Is he's better than that? 132 00:06:27,399 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: I would guess, but who's giving you I struggle to 133 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,279 find the fit for Josh Getty. I suppose is who's 134 00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:38,720 giving you something for for Josh Getty? 135 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,519 Speaker 2: Would he make sense? Is the second guy next to 136 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:42,439 Caden Detroit? 137 00:06:45,319 --> 00:06:48,879 Speaker 4: That's interesting. The defensive infrastructure is probably still good enough 138 00:06:48,879 --> 00:06:51,800 to accommodate him if the shooting's real, if you can 139 00:06:51,879 --> 00:06:54,759 just make the spot up stuff. He's not like breaking 140 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:56,800 the defense down so much, which is still I think 141 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,160 what we kind of think Detroit needs in its secondary guy. 142 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,160 He's at least interesting in Detroit and would not cost 143 00:07:04,399 --> 00:07:06,639 you know, like doesn't take up the salary, like he 144 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,279 just slots into like what Tobias Harris made last year 145 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,839 or not even quite that. So that's an I had. 146 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:12,879 Speaker 3: That's an interesting one. 147 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 1: What about would Charlotte without LaMelo Ball have interest and 148 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,120 you have to use basically the Miles Bridges salary do 149 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,160 you prefer as Charlotte? They seem to be obviously they 150 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,439 have Kobe White and the Balls. You know we've already 151 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:27,079 seen that movie. 152 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:32,279 Speaker 4: So no, that's a bad Yeah, Yeah, I don't know. 153 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,959 Speaker 3: I mean, like he's he's a tricky player. 154 00:07:34,959 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 4: This is this is really the thing with him, is 155 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,399 that like he's a tricky player to build around because 156 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:43,720 he's best with the ball. He's improved his offensive value 157 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,000 without the ball. That there's no denying that the shooting 158 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:51,120 has has made him slightly more like, uh, scalable. And 159 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,959 it's not like just I guess he's he fits. He 160 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:57,480 makes sense in more places than he used to. I 161 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,360 still view him as someone that like there's a ceiling 162 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:02,959 on how good you can be if he's in a 163 00:08:02,959 --> 00:08:06,600 really big role and he doesn't really make sense still 164 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:08,480 if he's not in a big on ball role. 165 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 3: Do you agree with that? 166 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:11,319 Speaker 4: By the way, are we still like is that where 167 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,279 we still are on Josh Giddy or am i am 168 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:15,439 I anchored to like a year and a half ago? 169 00:08:16,839 --> 00:08:19,759 Speaker 2: What you think he needs to be on ball? 170 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,399 Speaker 4: I think you get the most out of him if 171 00:08:22,399 --> 00:08:25,800 he's got the ball a lot, Yeah, because there's no 172 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,800 defensive value and there's some off there's off ball value, 173 00:08:29,839 --> 00:08:32,799 but it's still not like he's not a just he's 174 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:34,759 not out there to snipe, you know, he's. 175 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, And he's similar to Luka Danjich or Lamel Ball himself, 176 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:40,840 where his biggest defensive strength is the fact that he 177 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:43,519 is not undersized. He's a six seven guy, so it's 178 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:45,519 easier to hide him damning well. 179 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 4: But it also means that that's a guy that, like 180 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,840 it limits your it limits the type of roster you 181 00:08:52,879 --> 00:08:56,639 can build because he definitely can't guard smalls and so 182 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,279 you sort of have to put him on like a 183 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,320 bigger guy, and so then you still need another guard 184 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,440 so you're a little small. 185 00:09:02,519 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 3: Like It's just I don't know, this is all. 186 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: This is all in the book of Josh Giddy that 187 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,799 we've been writing for years, like that, this is not 188 00:09:08,879 --> 00:09:11,559 new information. I like him more than I used to, 189 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,240 but again I don't think the bulls The only argument 190 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:18,960 for the bulls like really viewing him as as difficult 191 00:09:19,039 --> 00:09:21,759 to acquire is that he does kind. 192 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,639 Speaker 3: Of make other players' lives a little easier. 193 00:09:23,639 --> 00:09:26,159 Speaker 4: And you just added Caleb Wilson and that might be nice, 194 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,919 you know, and to some extent Bozellos too. Right, Like 195 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,279 he is he is someone that's unselfish and he does 196 00:09:33,399 --> 00:09:36,159 move the ball and that might make your developmental curves 197 00:09:36,159 --> 00:09:39,200 a little less painful for some of your younger guys. 198 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: This if they were looking to get a little cheaper 199 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:46,360 and the guy coming back certainly fits what seems like 200 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,360 Bryce and Graham is trying to build with Thiago Splitter 201 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:55,559 in Chicago, Josh Giddy for Jalen Suggs could do Josh 202 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,039 Giddy and Isaaca Korro too would put like the money 203 00:09:58,039 --> 00:09:59,080 would basically work there. 204 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:03,279 Speaker 4: I believe that's pretty interesting. That's pretty interesting boy that. 205 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:08,039 I mean Orlando's so big, which which is a good thing. Well, 206 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,799 I mean they just have two like power forward sized 207 00:10:10,799 --> 00:10:12,159 guys and they have two. 208 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:13,519 Speaker 3: Like bigger guards. 209 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 4: You'd really be counting on Giddey's off ball value as 210 00:10:19,279 --> 00:10:21,799 an offensive player because you still you want to be 211 00:10:21,879 --> 00:10:28,480 running everything. Yeah, that's interesting. I mean he's been more 212 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,320 durable than Suggs. There's that what most most guys have. 213 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: Uh, that's it on getting I would I'm curious to 214 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,039 see what happens with Modest Buzzellis in Chicago. I think 215 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,240 his offensive role next season will maybe say because I 216 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:42,919 don't expect them to move him unless they're trying to 217 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,519 acquire someone different. I think his offensive role will inform 218 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:51,600 a lot about how this regime feels about him moving forward. 219 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,399 I did want to ask you, you are the Bulls. 220 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:56,279 Speaker 2: What's the you have? 221 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: Modest Buzzellis and Caleb Bowls and what's the best way 222 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:01,559 to build around them right now? Like what is the 223 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,120 prototypical This gets into what did they what do they need? 224 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:04,759 Speaker 2: Now? 225 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: They have a center Nicholas Claxton, But do you need 226 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,039 a different type of center? Do you want to see 227 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,000 Caleb Wilson playoff at center? 228 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: A little bit? 229 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: Like, what is the ideal you're fleshing out a lineup 230 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,879 with these two in it? What are kind of the 231 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,799 archetypes you want surrounding them? 232 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 3: Josh, I was just gonna say, like, you're discraced. 233 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,159 Speaker 4: So what I just said, I I think someone that's gonna, 234 00:11:26,279 --> 00:11:28,519 you know, get them a bucket or two that they 235 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:29,799 don't have to work very hard for. 236 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 3: I think I think. 237 00:11:30,879 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 4: That that is a real like value add and Getty 238 00:11:33,919 --> 00:11:38,679 does provide that. I kind of like the Claxton fit 239 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:41,399 because he's pretty versatile defensively and last year. 240 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: He showed the ability to. 241 00:11:42,879 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 2: So many hated that trade. 242 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 4: By the way, despite I think we're probably we're higher 243 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,759 on Claxton than most, I think the playmaking stuff. Every 244 00:11:53,759 --> 00:11:55,360 time I talk about him now, I just like, did 245 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:57,879 you see what he did as as a passer last year? 246 00:11:57,919 --> 00:11:59,399 Like that's I don't know how real it is, but 247 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:02,919 I'm interest in finding out as the bulls. And again 248 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:08,039 that's another guy that like, well it's a give and take, right, 249 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,480 do you want Bozellis and Wilson to have to like 250 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,639 not to the Cooper flag extent, but like really strain 251 00:12:14,759 --> 00:12:17,600 on offense to see like what's there, you know, and 252 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,039 there's maybe some merit to that. Personally, I would rather 253 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,320 have enough guys around them to run a functional offense 254 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,639 where the ball moves and they learn how to play 255 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,399 without having to just like kill themselves trying to create 256 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,360 their own offense, which is like neither of them is 257 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:33,279 going to be good enough to do. 258 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,159 Speaker 3: That in a high usage role. 259 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 4: So yeah, I think both Claxon and Giddy are pretty 260 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,240 sensible pieces for if you're trying to just maximize the 261 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:47,360 young guys, which has to be the goal. But like 262 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:51,799 I would also say, like because the way, I don't know, 263 00:12:51,799 --> 00:12:53,960 you didn't intentionally phrase it this way, maybe, but like 264 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:59,039 build around Wilson and Bozellis, I think, how can you 265 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,360 know at this point, like how could you have any 266 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:04,279 idea what those guys are gonna need. There's like they 267 00:13:04,279 --> 00:13:07,480 haven't been playing in a serious basketball environment for you know, 268 00:13:07,799 --> 00:13:10,000 Wilson hasn't played in one at all, and Buzilli certainly 269 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,159 didn't over the last two years. 270 00:13:11,279 --> 00:13:14,279 Speaker 2: Are you trying to say bad things about UNC? What 271 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:15,320 are you playing about UN? 272 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,879 Speaker 3: Just a function an NBA environment? 273 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: How about that? 274 00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 3: Although what's the difference anymore? 275 00:13:20,759 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 2: Really? Do you? 276 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 4: So? 277 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,519 Speaker 1: I guess that infury It makes it tough to peg 278 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,360 down what does this roster need? 279 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:29,519 Speaker 2: But I would sit back and say you. 280 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: Still kind of need a five of the future that 281 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:34,480 because I don't think that that's Caleb Wilson's role, and 282 00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:38,279 they definitely need shooting, right Who is the best? 283 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,799 Speaker 2: Who are the best shooters? Ranked? 284 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:39,919 Speaker 1: Me? 285 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: The three best shooters? I'm the post roster right now? 286 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:44,799 Speaker 3: I mean, where does Giddy rank? 287 00:13:44,879 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: Is? 288 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:45,279 Speaker 3: That is? 289 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 4: That's that's probably mean Buzille's actually Buzillis. I think there's 290 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,919 some promise there, Like he was around eighty percent from 291 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:55,200 three or from the free throw line, and you know, 292 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,399 doubled his volume and maybe maybe there's some shooting there. 293 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 3: What did Giddy shoot? I've really overrated it. 294 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 4: Thirty six percent from ZEP last year, but more five attempts. 295 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:08,039 He's been at thirty eight. Maybe I over sold Giddy's 296 00:14:08,039 --> 00:14:10,399 off ball shooting value a little bit. 297 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 2: Is it? 298 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: No, Simon's is not on the book, Like like you 299 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,519 almost to me. I'm looking at this roster and think 300 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,480 you need to bring Anthony Simon's back? 301 00:14:21,159 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: Could you do that for the mid level? 302 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: You think fifteen? I mean that's what I'm trying for 303 00:14:26,879 --> 00:14:28,519 what team? I guess we could look at and say, well, 304 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:30,840 which teams are good? Would if Detroit misses out on 305 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:32,080 Powell that could. 306 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:33,679 Speaker 2: Be an Athrey Simon's team. 307 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,919 Speaker 4: Just I want to double check this before I say it, 308 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:41,679 because it would be hilarious. Is is Patrick Williams the 309 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:42,440 best three point. 310 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: Shoot from the trost? Well that. 311 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,799 Speaker 1: Should they extend Patrick Williams, He's extended. 312 00:14:49,799 --> 00:14:50,559 Speaker 2: I got to do it. 313 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 4: You gotta do it now before the market gets wise 314 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,799 to this guy. Yeah, no, you're right there there's a 315 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,919 there's a pretty big and again, if you're trying to 316 00:15:01,919 --> 00:15:07,240 make life easier for Wilson and bozellis spacing the floor 317 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:10,080 goes a long way. Like if you're good passers in 318 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,159 good spacing just makes the lift a little bit lighter 319 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:14,519 for both of those guys. 320 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: What's up, fella, Sako. 321 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: Do you want all of our episodes ad free, then 322 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:22,240 please support the show by joining our Patreon or we 323 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,360 have a YouTube membership program where there are tiers that 324 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:27,720 you could choose from bonus content, discord access, merch codes 325 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:30,720 and throw our over under competition's mailbag priority. 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They 339 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,360 kind of seem, what's a contract out there that a 340 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,519 team doesn't. 341 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,679 Speaker 2: Want and you, you know what. 342 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: Should there be players that they're targeting in that man 343 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,080 and maybe those players then end up filling the need 344 00:16:18,159 --> 00:16:20,279 of oh, can we get some extra shooting? 345 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: And I don't think shoot like. 346 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: The contracts where shooters are like going out, They don't 347 00:16:25,399 --> 00:16:26,600 if you're going to overpay someone. 348 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:28,279 Speaker 2: My point is it might as well be a shooter. 349 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,559 Speaker 1: But could they you know, if if Cleveland comes in 350 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:34,440 and they're looking to get out of the second Apron, 351 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:37,519 Max Druce or Sam Merril just to get some more 352 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:41,480 functional floor spacing in here. But those are also guys 353 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,679 where you probably it easily to give up seconds if Cleveland, 354 00:16:43,679 --> 00:16:46,200 even if Cleveland's just kind of dumping them. But I 355 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,720 was trying to look, and we're struggling to find to 356 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:52,039 be sure, all right, what would be like the contra, 357 00:16:52,159 --> 00:16:54,519 like what some of the unsavory contracts that would make 358 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:57,799 sense for Chicago to take on now rather than should 359 00:16:57,799 --> 00:16:59,919 they wait and roll this into the middle of this 360 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:01,200 and see what emerges? 361 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:02,279 Speaker 2: All right? 362 00:17:02,399 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 3: Unbalanced trade? 363 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 4: You send Patrick Williams to the Kings, bring Zach Lavine 364 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:09,079 back after he picks up his player option. 365 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:12,319 Speaker 3: You get a pick with Levine and you just wave 366 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:15,880 and stretch him or you let him shoot for you. 367 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:17,000 There's your shooting. 368 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,799 Speaker 4: How mad would Zack Lavine be? He's like, I'm only 369 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:21,759 allowed to play for the Kings and the Bulls. Like, 370 00:17:21,799 --> 00:17:24,400 what did I do in the past life to get 371 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:27,720 to make everyone so mad at me? No? I, As 372 00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:29,160 you were talking, I was trying to think of who's 373 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,599 a good shooter that the Bulls could take on with 374 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,160 that to get assets, And it's Cam. 375 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: What about Cam Johnson if Denver's looking to really cut? 376 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:40,640 Because I thought Chicago might have been an interesting Peyton 377 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,440 Watson or Tarry Easton's team in free agency, but I 378 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,400 think having Wilson and Bouzellis takes them out of that. 379 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 2: Maybe not, but they also have Dalen Swayne now too. 380 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,279 Speaker 4: You can just take Johnson into cap space, right because 381 00:17:52,319 --> 00:17:57,240 we've got him with enough. Uh And maybe you're I 382 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,759 guess you're probably giving Denver what's the to going great 383 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,519 for Wiggins and Joe's two seconds? Maybe you have to 384 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:07,200 give three seconds or something or like a fake first 385 00:18:07,319 --> 00:18:08,000 well form. 386 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:11,039 Speaker 1: Part of the value is they're saving them twenty plus 387 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:14,440 million dollars versus Wiggins and Joe are making less than 388 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,359 half that. 389 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 3: That's what I mean. 390 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,079 Speaker 4: It's more than either of those guys. It's it's well, oh, 391 00:18:20,079 --> 00:18:22,039 I see it should it be less because you're saving 392 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:23,319 Denver more money. 393 00:18:23,079 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: I would says, I certainly don't think you need to 394 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:27,839 send out more for Cam if you're saving Denver just 395 00:18:27,839 --> 00:18:30,920 twenty plus million dollars off rip. I don't know that 396 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,960 they have the lever you need to give us five 397 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:34,160 second round picksure. 398 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:38,519 Speaker 4: But Cam Johnson's better than either of those two guys. 399 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 2: The Bulls aren't. 400 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,319 Speaker 1: It'd be different if another team, if Detroit wants a 401 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:44,559 Cam Johnson or something, and that's the moves they're trying 402 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:46,839 to make for Okay, but the Bulls aren't. They're not 403 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,240 getting Cam Johnson to go make a playoff push. They're 404 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,200 getting Cam Johnson to open up the floor for their 405 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:52,880 younger guys. 406 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 4: Well, then just pivoting here, Why aren't the Bulls a 407 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,240 resche or too, John Salon or Cody Williams. Why aren't 408 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,200 they We'll take your your failed lottery pick, Like, why 409 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,000 aren't they that team? 410 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 3: Why like, give us that guy? 411 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: They have enough of failed lottery equity. 412 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 3: I mean, if they. 413 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 2: They're gonna cut him loose. So yeah, I don't know. 414 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,559 Speaker 4: I'm just trying to think, like I do. They are 415 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,359 just at absolute zero here, So why wouldn't you be 416 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:26,319 taken on guys. 417 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: Like that, Well, does Denver have enough to get like 418 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,359 for them to take on Christian Brown. 419 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,519 Speaker 2: That's really double down on these guys who could defend 420 00:19:36,519 --> 00:19:39,039 and maybe move without the ball, but not the questionable jumpers. 421 00:19:39,599 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: Denver can give you a like first round swaps essentially, 422 00:19:43,559 --> 00:19:46,400 and I think they might have one second round pick 423 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:46,759 to trade. 424 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 2: I'll go, I'll go double check that. 425 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 4: But I'm just looking for who you could if there's 426 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:55,960 anything worth like sending back like it could obviously be 427 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,000 a super unbalanced trade because of Chicago's cap space, but 428 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:01,240 you could send out like who with Denver? 429 00:20:01,519 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: Here it is it's some permutation. Well, so maybe it's 430 00:20:05,319 --> 00:20:06,240 Trey Jones. 431 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: They got to take on the Patrick Williams contract, but 432 00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:12,839 they get off of Cam Johnson and Christian Brown. 433 00:20:13,319 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 2: That's the baseline there might be. 434 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: I don't a Chicago's cap space might not get because 435 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:21,720 so Brown and Cam Johnson are at what combined next season. 436 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,319 Speaker 2: I'm gonna look that up right now, we know what. 437 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,079 Speaker 4: You're doing both so that then that's like close to 438 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,440 fifty million dollars I think, right, So. 439 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: The Bulls have let's just say if the Bulls are 440 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:33,200 working with twenty five they could take Christian Brown just 441 00:20:33,279 --> 00:20:36,599 in to cap space or Cam Johnson into cap space 442 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,960 at twenty three because they make forty about forty four 443 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,240 point five forty four. 444 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:44,759 Speaker 4: Points Brown, Yeah, Brown's like twenty just twenty one and 445 00:20:44,759 --> 00:20:47,200 a half. Okay, so we're forty five million dollars. 446 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: Can you only need seventeen to make up the difference? Really, 447 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,480 Patrick Williams does that, so you can do Patrick Williams 448 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:54,920 for those two. 449 00:20:55,599 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 3: I mean, Denver fans would riot, wouldn't they. There'd be like, 450 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,720 this is the last straw, just this is awful. You 451 00:21:04,759 --> 00:21:05,799 get so much worse. 452 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 2: Man. 453 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: That would be that Denver fans better hate that. That 454 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,240 would just be a you're trading you're not even getting 455 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,400 maybe a rotation player. 456 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: Well you bring back Peyton Watson. 457 00:21:16,519 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 3: So there you go, Yeah, there you go. That's true. 458 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:20,039 We had to do it. 459 00:21:20,039 --> 00:21:21,559 Speaker 4: We had to do it for the to find the 460 00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:24,359 money for Peyton Watson. That's always that's always the fair 461 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:24,720 of us. 462 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:25,799 Speaker 2: Veer Jones. 463 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Look, you know, we just valued these guys 464 00:21:29,599 --> 00:21:32,440 that much that it was worth making this move so 465 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,440 we could retain the place. 466 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: If you're the Bulls, because you could do it without 467 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,519 Patrick Williams. You could send back maybe a Coro and 468 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:41,039 Trey Jones. Trey Jones would certainly help the Nuggets, but 469 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,720 like getting Cam Johnson isn't enough of a sweetener as 470 00:21:44,759 --> 00:21:47,839 the Bulls to say we'll just take Brown's deal. 471 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 3: Right, Probably not? Probably not? 472 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,279 Speaker 4: It makes he makes more sense on Chicago than Denver, right, 473 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,599 just because well he's young enough and he's kind of 474 00:21:56,599 --> 00:21:59,960 a starter, and who knows, like it's easier to accommodate 475 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:05,680 that guy, and the Bulls have like massive flexibility. So yeah, 476 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,200 I just I'm I don't know. We may have gone 477 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,200 too far down the road of how do we get 478 00:22:11,519 --> 00:22:13,559 how do we get a new fifty million dollars? Like 479 00:22:14,319 --> 00:22:18,440 they would be disappointing as Chicago that like that's where 480 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,880 the money went, like a couple I think so like Brown, well, 481 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:25,960 here's the thing you would immediately be looking like, what 482 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,839 can we get for flipping Cam Johnson right and Christian Brown? 483 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:31,519 Speaker 3: I don't know that's what I would be doing. 484 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: Well, but you could get value for Cam and there's 485 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,400 also to me there'd be value in opening up the 486 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,640 floor for Caleb Wilson, Nick Claxton, modest buzzellis is also 487 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,079 what I'm like the lens through which I'm looking at it. 488 00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:45,200 But I do understand your point. If that's the fifty 489 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,160 million dollars, just big move there. I mean, does Dever 490 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,200 want some really funky stuff? Does Denver want Josh Giddy? 491 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 4: That's no, I don't know what to say. I just 492 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,799 did that meme of that blonde lady. 493 00:22:57,839 --> 00:23:00,759 Speaker 3: That's like, uh no, what. 494 00:23:00,839 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: Do he don't have enough to get them to take 495 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:08,799 on Jovich? Right? What are you even attached to they have? Yea, yeah, they. 496 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,279 Speaker 1: Have a conditional Well, if you could get there, because 497 00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:14,279 they're picked next year's lottery protected, it's gonna if you 498 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,519 bet on it, keeping like conveying, they could trade their 499 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:20,279 twenty twenty nine first round it expires immediately if it doesn't. 500 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 2: Uh huh. 501 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:23,519 Speaker 1: But Yovich is on the books for four years and 502 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:25,000 sixty four and change. 503 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 4: What about Portland sweetens something and you take Jeremy Grant 504 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,480 as the bulls? Does that do anything for you? What's 505 00:23:33,519 --> 00:23:39,519 the sweetener need to be? Scoot a first round pick? 506 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 2: Right? 507 00:23:40,319 --> 00:23:42,599 Speaker 1: I mean, so now we have Jeremy Grant, Caleb Wilson 508 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,480 down sway, modest buzzell. I mean Jeremy Grant could definitely 509 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:49,359 cannibalize offensive touches, but I don't he might actually infringe 510 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,839 upon what you want to do with Caleb Wilson and modest. 511 00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 4: You don't have to play them, just yeah, just give 512 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,480 me one of give me some of those Milwaukee assets 513 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:00,799 that Portland has. I'll take Jeremy Grant and uh he 514 00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:03,960 can have backspasms for six months and just hang out. 515 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't, but that to me feels like what 516 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:09,839 they'll end up doing with it is those aren't the 517 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,359 names necessarily, but it feels like they will take on 518 00:24:13,839 --> 00:24:16,160 I don't know if Nick Claxton was considered unwanted money, 519 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,119 but they'll be maybe a trade facilitator more than they'll 520 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,000 be the trade aggressor here or target aggressor, because it 521 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,119 doesn't seem like they're looking to throw their money around 522 00:24:25,559 --> 00:24:28,559 in free agency to drum up the market on anything. 523 00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: No doesn't doesn't. 524 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 4: They had the opportunity to do that, and they the 525 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,839 Claxton move makes that. I guess they're still threats, but 526 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,079 they're not like you know, like you said at the 527 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,640 like Duran and Kessler are not like leveraging the bulls 528 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:42,920 to get bigger deals. 529 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,839 Speaker 1: I would still if you're not worried about like your 530 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,759 cap space, like letting other moves happen. I still might 531 00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:50,680 take a look at Peyton Watson Atari Easton just to 532 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,519 mess with the books of Houston and Denver, and then 533 00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,559 if they don't match, it's all right, Well we'll just 534 00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:56,319 have like a bunch of wings that could do all 535 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,519 the different things on defense. 536 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 4: Right, the low the sort of second the not for 537 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,680 sure like thirty plus million dollars a year guys, they 538 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,200 can still get in there and mess with so that 539 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,000 makes sense, but the top two guys probably not. 540 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:14,039 Speaker 2: Grant. We did it all. 541 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,599 Speaker 1: Thirty teams all got at least twenty five minutes, twenty 542 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:21,039 plus minutes or more. I am tired graphics for all 543 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:24,160 of them. Mistakes were made, takes were given, no regrets 544 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,359 hashtag no regrets. This is the most in depth we've 545 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,599 gone on that end of season series. So if you're 546 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:33,279 new or you haven't yet, maybe consider joining our Patreon, 547 00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:36,200 Patreon dot com slash Hardware Knocks NBA. We do these 548 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,079 for the trade deadline, and we do even more in 549 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,519 depth with guests. For we had a lot of guest 550 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:42,000 shout out to our guests who came on to help 551 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,160 us with this series. Shout out to Grant, Shout out 552 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,119 to More, Shout out to mister Taporak for helping out 553 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,880 with those two. And then next up will be the 554 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,160 I need a break before then. I don't know about you, 555 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,640 but the regular season look aheads once the offseason settles down, 556 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,680 but we got Look, if the beginning of this offseason 557 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,119 is any indication we got you and I might be 558 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,599 recording some emergent We didn't record one for Giannis, which 559 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:07,079 is probably that's weird. I knew you were sleeping or 560 00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:08,400 at least getting ready to go to bed when that 561 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,440 news broke, so I didn't text you. But yeah, ifs 562 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,640 any indication we might have an emergency podcast or two under, 563 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:16,279 I think I think there's. 564 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:16,839 Speaker 3: A good chance. 565 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,079 Speaker 4: I mean maybe the Jaalen depending on where he goes, 566 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,440 the Jalen Brown one might be might be on deck uh, 567 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:23,759 and then I don't know. 568 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 3: Whoever, the war when the. 569 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 4: Warriors get Lebron will probably have to do a five 570 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,240 pod series on what it all means for everybody's legacies. 571 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,839 Don't you think if you're a miss if we didn't, do. 572 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 2: You have anything else? Or are you ready to take 573 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:39,119 us out of here. 574 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 4: No, I think that's gonna do it. Thanks everybody, especially 575 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,200 those of you in the comments. Thanks for listening, Thanks 576 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,000 for watching rate review, subscribe, do all the things. Those 577 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,079 are our good comment here Kawhi and the six Sure 578 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,079 let's get him back there. 579 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:56,599 Speaker 3: Uh what else? Join our Patreon please, that's the best 580 00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:57,559 way to suport the podcast. 581 00:26:57,559 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 4: As then mentioned, Dan mentioned patreon dot com slash Hard 582 00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:02,759 with Knocks NBA AD free content bonus episodes, one of 583 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:05,599 which we will be recording early next week. 584 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 3: You can join our just Fun More too, hopefully. I 585 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,240 mean it depends on how poorly you do that that'll be. 586 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 4: More fun because we're going to do another little blind 587 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,039 exercise here. I only choose on the other foot. 588 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 3: See how you like it? Uh think dain everybody shouts 589 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,119 Frank Miiliquin. Apologies. Jared Allen