Speaker 1: My name is Will and I'm Garon, and unlike moulderin Scully,
Speaker 1: want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery.
Speaker 2: We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and
Speaker 2: metaphysical world.
Speaker 1: We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even
Speaker 1: joined a coven of witches.
Speaker 2: And wait, you joined a coven yep.
Speaker 1: All on the interest of finding something, anything, that will
Speaker 1: prove that there's something beyond this physical.
Speaker 2: Three dimensional world we all live in.
Speaker 1: This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. This episode of The Skeptic
Speaker 1: Metaphysicians was recorded live at the Edgar Casey Are Today
Speaker 1: we're tackling a very popular topic in this space, the Toureau,
Speaker 1: and our guest today has studied, read, and taught the
Speaker 1: Toureau for over fifty years, so you know that her
Speaker 1: information is rock solid. Her collecting background allows her to
Speaker 1: bring diverse spiritual elements and practices to her readings, giving
Speaker 1: her a very unique perspective. And she also teaches and
Speaker 1: needs workshops in charm casting, creating, vision boards and pendulum
Speaker 1: design and dowsing. I'm thrilled to welcome to the show,
Speaker 1: Russa Harju, thank.
Speaker 3: You so much for coming on, Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Tourou is a stalwart right in when you think about
Speaker 1: psychic fairs or things like that, or or in Newage movement.
Speaker 1: The tourou has been around for a very very long time.
Speaker 1: It's what you think of crystals to row things like that, right.
Speaker 1: So my biggest question, and I know we're going to
Speaker 1: go deep into it, and you're graciously going to be
Speaker 1: giving us a quick little mini reading later on, so
Speaker 1: we're excited about that. But when you when a reader
Speaker 1: uses the cards, do the cards have the messages in
Speaker 1: them themselves? Or is the toroau are the cards actually
Speaker 1: just a gateway for your intuition to come through both? Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you, I thank you for joining us.
Speaker 2: Well let's even start before that. What are turo or
Speaker 2: tarot or how do you pronounce it are? What are
Speaker 2: the cards?
Speaker 3: Okay? Well they are not as old as people think
Speaker 3: they are. People think, oh, ancient Egypt, all that stuff.
Speaker 3: They first deck they have on hand is from about
Speaker 3: mid fourteen hundreds in Italy and it was a card game.
Speaker 3: But with any kind of game they turn into divination
Speaker 3: tools and so these cards. This particular deck, the wait
Speaker 3: Smith deck, is one of the most popular ones there is.
Speaker 3: And this one came out in about nineteen ten, so
Speaker 3: it's public domain and it's very different from the earlier cards.
Speaker 3: And they were designed to be a gateway. They were
Speaker 3: designed that each symbol opens you up. But you don't know,
Speaker 3: you don't need to be working in your psychic development.
Speaker 3: You can read the cards by noting the symbol. You know,
Speaker 3: the Emperor's card number four, that's stability and structure. His
Speaker 3: corresponds with the sign of ares. The rams show you that.
Speaker 3: So there's pints and all the cards and so it's uh, basically, yeah,
Speaker 3: the messages are in the cards. You hear from spirit.
Speaker 3: It opens you psychically. If you do a little ritual
Speaker 3: before you read, like I do, opens you psychically. So
Speaker 3: it comes at you from all different angles.
Speaker 2: Okay, and you mentioned something I was going to ask about.
Speaker 2: You said, you do a ritual before you start. What
Speaker 2: what is that like? And do you have to do one?
Speaker 3: No, you don't. That's the one thing that drives men
Speaker 3: says there's so many weird myths about taro, you know,
Speaker 3: like you can't buy your own deck. That's that's a nonsense. Okay,
Speaker 3: if you had to wait till someone gave you one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been waiting all this time.
Speaker 3: That's given.
Speaker 1: No one's giving one. If anyone's out there, I'll need
Speaker 1: to do it.
Speaker 3: You can go to the gest store. At the bookstore,
Speaker 3: they have some really nice ones. But yeah, you don't
Speaker 3: none of that. You know, don't let other people touch
Speaker 3: your cards. I let other people touch my cards all
Speaker 3: the time. There's a lot of silly myths about it.
Speaker 3: But uh, the same thing with the rifle beforehand. Some
Speaker 3: people say, oh, well you have to cut the cards
Speaker 3: three times and then this, and you know, that's what
Speaker 3: happened is somebody saw someone else's a ritual and didn't
Speaker 3: understand why they were doing it. So there's a lot
Speaker 3: of that nonsense, like that old story about the family
Speaker 3: who every time they had a pot roast, they cut
Speaker 3: a piece off, put it to the side, and for
Speaker 3: two generations and then somebody said, why are we doing that?
Speaker 3: They asked a great grandmother and she said, oh, when
Speaker 3: I was first married, my pot was too small. So
Speaker 3: it's just doing something without knowing why. So a ritual
Speaker 3: is to set you up. For example, I always use cloths.
Speaker 3: I make claws, they sell cloths. I never put my
Speaker 3: cards on a blank, bare table because and first all,
Speaker 3: I don't know what's been on that. And secondly, when
Speaker 3: I see this, it starts to wretch at me, right
Speaker 3: into the alpha state, which I want to be in
Speaker 3: in order to read. So when I see this, it's
Speaker 3: like you seeing teable set for dinner. You know it's
Speaker 3: time to eat. I know it's time to read. God, okay, So.
Speaker 1: Put you in the mind space absolutely.
Speaker 3: And that's the start. And then before each reading, I
Speaker 3: do a little breath work. I have a certain hand
Speaker 3: motion that helps me get in the alpha state. It's
Speaker 3: something I've trained myself to do over the years. So
Speaker 3: immediately I'm in the alpha state, I do a quick
Speaker 3: little intentional prayer. I ask my ancestors, I ask the Goddess.
Speaker 3: I ask all beings of light to help make my
Speaker 3: reading as accurate and helpful as possible. You know, for
Speaker 3: the high it's good of all concerned. Just that's my ritual.
Speaker 3: Other people do all, yeah, whatever works for them, cutting
Speaker 3: the cards, knocking the cards, there's a lot of different
Speaker 3: things you'll see people do. And if they've worked that out, themselves.
Speaker 3: It's great. If they're just copying someone else, it's really not.
Speaker 1: Very helpful right now. It can't hurt though to incorporate
Speaker 1: some else.
Speaker 3: Does it hurt out? I love the aesthetics, but I
Speaker 3: keep my cards at a box wrapped in silk. Do
Speaker 3: you have to do that? No, but I like the
Speaker 3: tradition of it. I like the aesthetics as well. I
Speaker 3: clean my cards with selenite in between each reading.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't do that at home if
Speaker 3: i have like a one on one, but if I'm
Speaker 3: in a psychic fair, I'll do it for a minute.
Speaker 3: Can you hold that up so we can see it celenite?
Speaker 3: And what does that do for the selenite cleans anything.
Speaker 3: I'm a very lazy person, so if I've got to
Speaker 3: clean my cards, I'm not going to stand there and
Speaker 3: wave seventy eight cards over POLOSOFTA. I'm just not going
Speaker 3: to do a lot of work. It's too much. And
Speaker 3: I buy I make jewelry, but I buy a lot
Speaker 3: of vintage jewelry at state sales. I don't know who's
Speaker 3: warrant come home put it on my selenite. I don't
Speaker 3: have to do any other kind of cleansing. I don't
Speaker 3: even cleanse the selenite. It cleanses itself. So it's just
Speaker 3: really handy. And you know, I'm not going to smudge
Speaker 3: stuff all the time. I'm not going to put it
Speaker 3: in a bowl of salt and forget it. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you know all that it's just too much work.
Speaker 2: If only would clean the bathrooms, put it in there,
Speaker 2: you come back the next morning.
Speaker 1: Try.
Speaker 3: I haven't if it if it had a possibility, I
Speaker 3: would have tried.
Speaker 2: The energy of the bat.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the cards are you mentioned a gateway to a
Speaker 1: large extent, The right of wait is the traditional deck everything.
Speaker 3: It's the most popular deck there is. It's not traditionalist
Speaker 3: and old, but it's right.
Speaker 1: But it's the one that people most think of when anythink.
Speaker 3: Toro, they do, and most modern decks are based on it.
Speaker 3: You know, there are a couple of different like the
Speaker 3: Crowley decks a little different, and the artisan Taro is
Speaker 3: a little different. But ninety eight percent of your decks,
Speaker 3: even the novelty ones, are based on the way deck.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh, I was going to ask about the novelty
Speaker 2: ones because I saw like a Britney Spears. Will that work?
Speaker 3: I have a couple because they're pretty, you know, But
Speaker 3: and I have the Buffy the Vampire Slayer one because
Speaker 3: I wanted to say Spike, but it's it could work.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't use them because this deck has a depth
Speaker 3: of symbolism that those decks aren't going to have. I
Speaker 3: think they're just for fun.
Speaker 1: Right. You can bring up a good point because symbolism
Speaker 1: symbols are powerful. So when you say that the act
Speaker 1: is a gateway, the symbols themselves might bring something out
Speaker 1: based on the symbolism. We talked about Sacret, Jim Amitri
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. There is something to
Speaker 1: be said about I always say traditional, but the writer
Speaker 1: wait for me. Whenever I see it it it lists
Speaker 1: a certain response. Where I pick up the Britney Spears deck,
Speaker 1: It's not going to give me that same response. It's
Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Does not the gravitas.
Speaker 1: It doesn't have the gravitas.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean this was developed for that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Weight and Pamela Coleman Smith, who was the artist, were
Speaker 3: members of the Golden Dawn and the Golden Dawn is
Speaker 3: a magical society. Back in Victorian times, and it was
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of rich, you know, British guys.
Speaker 1: Sure, so they.
Speaker 3: They work. They had like a magical brotherhood I guess
Speaker 3: called the Golden Dawn, and this incorporated a lot. They're
Speaker 3: the first ones who in modern times correlated the Taro
Speaker 3: and the Kabbala and Taro and astrology. So every single
Speaker 3: card has an astrological correspondence. The major arcana, which is
Speaker 3: the twenty two cards, like the Emperor and the Tower,
Speaker 3: they are either correspond to is a sign of the
Speaker 3: zodiac or a planet. The minor arcana. Each of the
Speaker 3: four suits pentacles corresponds to earth, cups corresponds to water,
Speaker 3: swords correspond with air, and ones correspond with fire. Although
Speaker 3: there's a little controversy about that. Sure, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of controversy in Terrance.
Speaker 1: Everybody with how you've pronounced or whatever a time.
Speaker 3: Car But Young studied the tarot and we use a lot,
Speaker 3: or at least I do use a lot of his
Speaker 3: terminology when I read, you know, the cards fall how
Speaker 3: they're supposed to fall, that synchronicity. The major arcana cards
Speaker 3: are archetypical images, and that's another reason they have power
Speaker 3: when you see the hermitage, you see the wise man
Speaker 3: who gives you information. When you see death, you have
Speaker 3: an impact from that guy.
Speaker 1: Yet, if I'm not mistaken, death is not a negative card.
Speaker 1: Is just a transition.
Speaker 3: It's a transition that's so intense that it's as if
Speaker 3: you died and were reborn. It's that kind of a transformation.
Speaker 3: It's huge.
Speaker 2: So does it make a difference if they're upside down
Speaker 2: or right side up and following up to that upside
Speaker 2: down or right side to the reader or to the reading.
Speaker 3: That's another controversy. Yeah, people will tell you different things.
Speaker 3: Some people don't read reversals at all. Yeah, that's when
Speaker 3: they're upside down. I do, because there's seventy eight cards.
Speaker 3: If you read reversals as well, then you've got whatever
Speaker 3: that is one hundred and fifty six or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: So to me, yeah, reversals can mean the opposite, or
Speaker 3: they can be like when a planet's retrograde. You know,
Speaker 3: whatever that change is, whatever that energy is, it's taking
Speaker 3: a little longer to manifest, gotcha. So I read it
Speaker 3: as facing me because it would just be too much
Speaker 3: metal gymnastics, and I it's like reading a book it's
Speaker 3: right in front of me. So that's how I do it.
Speaker 3: Some people don't read reversals at all, and everyone has
Speaker 3: different opinions, and you do what works for you. You know,
Speaker 3: if your readings are helpful and accurate, that's what counts
Speaker 3: if your client is satisfied.
Speaker 1: So can anyone just pick up a deck and start
Speaker 1: reading off the bat or is a special type of
Speaker 1: training you have to.
Speaker 3: Have ETI to practice. I mean, you can't just throw
Speaker 3: them down and do see. There's three ways to read.
Speaker 3: There is totally this is what the card means. This
Speaker 3: is what the card means in this position. You know,
Speaker 3: that's a very you know, straightforward, you lose a little
Speaker 3: book till you have it all memorized. Another way to
Speaker 3: read is just to look at the pictures and make
Speaker 3: up stories. So you have your book learning, you have
Speaker 3: your intuitive and then you have the way I do it,
Speaker 3: which is a hybrid. So I know what the cards mean,
Speaker 3: but I also have flexibility in that. You know, each
Speaker 3: time I look at a card, I might notice a
Speaker 3: different symbol, and so that would shift the meaning for
Speaker 3: me a little bit.
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's not as easy as just looking at
Speaker 1: that because I know the weight deck actually has descriptors.
Speaker 3: Of each card, and what it means is that a
Speaker 3: little white book.
Speaker 1: So somebody might be seeing the deck in reading from it.
Speaker 1: It's perfectly fine. But the more you use it, the
Speaker 1: more in depth the message.
Speaker 3: And when I was learning, what I did was go
Speaker 3: to a lot of different readers so I could see
Speaker 3: how they did it, because everybody had different methods. You know,
Speaker 3: some people would just randomly pull cards and not to spreads.
Speaker 3: Some people to spread, some people don't just spreads. Some
Speaker 3: people have the quarrent pick a card. There's so many
Speaker 3: different ways to do it. You do what works for you.
Speaker 3: To me, the most important thing about a reading is
Speaker 3: people come to you and some people are scared. You're like,
Speaker 3: oh gosh, I don't want to hear anything bad. And
Speaker 3: to me, your reading should be empowering. So if you
Speaker 3: couldn't do something about what your reading says, I get one.
Speaker 3: But to me, if you know, first of all, you're forewarned,
Speaker 3: and second Tara tells your potentials the way things are
Speaker 3: right now, these are the energies in play, These are
Speaker 3: the forces in play. If you like how that's going,
Speaker 3: you keep going that way. If you don't like how
Speaker 3: it's going, Let's explore how you can change it or
Speaker 3: at least get a lesson out of it to have
Speaker 3: it be of benefit to you. So no one should
Speaker 3: leave a reading feeling scared or nervous or anything but
Speaker 3: empowered and positive.
Speaker 2: See. I love that intention that you're putting behind your reading.
Speaker 2: But we all know that there are people out there
Speaker 2: that are making a quick book, and a lot of
Speaker 2: our audience they don't know how to tell between someone
Speaker 2: who is legit like you've been doing it forever. You're
Speaker 2: obviously very well educated and well versed, and someone who's
Speaker 2: just trying to make a quick book. How can you tell?
Speaker 2: How can you protect yourself with someone going to get
Speaker 2: a reading?
Speaker 3: That is like one of the most frustrating things, because
Speaker 3: I think what people come to read for you for reading?
Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes it's for fun, like it's affairs here,
Speaker 3: But most of the times people come to you because
Speaker 3: they have a problem or they have a worry a concern,
Speaker 3: And so to me, to take advantage of someone's vulnerability
Speaker 3: like that, it's just awful. I would say. The big
Speaker 3: thing is how they talk to you, you know, do
Speaker 3: they are they trying to scare you or are they
Speaker 3: trying to help you find a way out of whatever
Speaker 3: situation you're in, you know, because yeah, I watch myself
Speaker 3: too when I read, because I have a tendency if
Speaker 3: I look at the card that says to do this,
Speaker 3: oh you should, and then I stop, because that's one
Speaker 3: thing I hate people saying to me you should, So
Speaker 3: I always try to say it would serve you best too,
Speaker 3: or you might do well too. You know, I don't
Speaker 3: have to listen to me. I'm just telling you what
Speaker 3: the cards say, so if they are trying to steer
Speaker 3: you in a direction. And then there's the fear thing,
Speaker 3: I mean, some of the stuff people believe. I knew
Speaker 3: a woman once who she'd had a horrific year. I mean,
Speaker 3: her brother was murdered, she was thirty, she had a hysterectomy,
Speaker 3: her house burned out, my mom. She had this year
Speaker 3: from help, and she went to a reader. This is
Speaker 3: before I ever knew her, and the woman told her
Speaker 3: she was cursed and if she gave her five hundred dollars,
Speaker 3: she would, you know, burn it and take it off.
Speaker 3: And she, under normal circumstances would never ever have fallen
Speaker 3: for that. But her life. She was just so damaged.
Speaker 3: Then that's right. Yeah, that's to me the worst thing
Speaker 3: someone can do.
Speaker 1: Peebaging off the fear topic. There are some people that
Speaker 1: feel that to row cards and things like that maybe
Speaker 1: aren't from the light side of things. What would you
Speaker 1: say to someone that says, oh, this is like a
Speaker 1: demonic thing or something like that.
Speaker 3: I've had people say that. Actually here, once I was
Speaker 3: reading it, some woman ran into the reading room and said, please, please, please,
Speaker 3: can you convince me they're not of the devil? And
Speaker 3: they're not.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: The really the old old decks are all church symbols.
Speaker 3: You know. The Higher Effect was originally the Pope, the
Speaker 3: High Priestess was Pope Joe. I tell people, if you're
Speaker 3: nervous about it, go get an angel deck. You get
Speaker 3: something that makes you feel better. It's a tool to
Speaker 3: help people. There's nothing demonic about it at all. And
Speaker 3: if some people they're just not going to believe, you're
Speaker 3: into that particular mindset. But I think when when you
Speaker 3: talk to people about what these cards mean, this and
Speaker 3: they are to help you navigate through life. Because you
Speaker 3: don't even have to be spiritual to use tarot cards.
Speaker 3: You can use them as a psychological tool. You can
Speaker 3: use them for personal development. You don't have to have
Speaker 3: any sort of spiritual beliefs whatsoever, and you can still
Speaker 3: read terror.
Speaker 1: That's good to know, But I would still like to
Speaker 1: have a spiritual belief before you.
Speaker 2: So I hear the different readers about different spreads. How
Speaker 2: many spreads are theres just like those thousands of cards,
Speaker 2: Like how many like card ranges and from like two
Speaker 2: to fifty You're like, how oh, there's way.
Speaker 3: More than that.
Speaker 1: Some people use all the cards right.
Speaker 3: A single and you don't have to put you the
Speaker 3: spread either. You could just put cards down randomly. What
Speaker 3: I do sometimes at the end of a reading is
Speaker 3: I just fan the cards that have people pick a
Speaker 3: few randomly so that they're getting more involved. But yeah,
Speaker 3: there's loads and loads of spreads. There's a few famous
Speaker 3: ones like the Celtic Cross, or I do an astrological
Speaker 3: spread that I like a lot. But there's so many,
Speaker 3: And you could my whole books just full of taro
Speaker 3: spreads right right, like one hundred and ten perisprits, you know,
Speaker 3: fifty tarot spreads.
Speaker 1: You can wow, you don't realize that, see to me,
Speaker 1: I just or wwhelms me.
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 1: I just like, you know, here's the three cards, or
Speaker 1: maybe I'll do a Celtic cross or something like that,
Speaker 1: but anything other than that. It's just like I had
Speaker 1: a reading done once where kept pulling cards, you kept
Speaker 1: playing cards, like, when is it ever going to end?
Speaker 1: They so it was just it was just too much
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: Well, it's you get used to it. And the great
Speaker 3: thing with this is it corresponds to so much. You know,
Speaker 3: if you're weak on tarot but you know astrology, you've
Speaker 3: got that tiet. If you're weak in taro, but you
Speaker 3: have numerology, got that. Yeah, there's just there's a book,
Speaker 3: there's a big bye. What's her name, Keith Susan Chang.
Speaker 3: That's all correspondences. There is a correspondence for every card.
Speaker 3: There's you know it's a zodiac, there's this's that. But
Speaker 3: there's also a music note for each card. There's a
Speaker 3: crystal for each card. There's just anything you can think of,
Speaker 3: the Hebrew word for each card. There's just so many correspondences.
Speaker 3: I've been doing this. I got my first deck when
Speaker 3: I was eleven, and learn I'm seventy one and so
Speaker 3: i learned stuff every day, you know, every day I
Speaker 3: learn more and more.
Speaker 2: How accurate are the readings? Like, I mean, like how
Speaker 2: details can they get?
Speaker 3: It can get insanely accurate. But a lot depends on
Speaker 3: the input too, you know, because a terror reading should
Speaker 3: be a conversation. You know, you don't yet you don't
Speaker 3: just sit there passively, right like.
Speaker 1: Those people come and goes, okay, the psychic tell me
Speaker 1: about me.
Speaker 3: That's the worst. I'm like, you want to waste your
Speaker 3: time and your money for the cards always fall how
Speaker 3: they're supposed to fall. It will if you start doing it,
Speaker 3: it will always amaze you. It's like funny sometimes the
Speaker 3: way they fall. It's like, oh yeah, could you be
Speaker 3: more blatant? They always fall how they're supposed to fall. We, however,
Speaker 3: may not interpret them correctly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, sometimes I have no problem with asking I
Speaker 3: think this means this? Does that mean anything to you?
Speaker 3: Or do you think it could be something different? Because
Speaker 3: it should be a conversation. And the idea too is
Speaker 3: the person has there's levels of openness. Sure, when you
Speaker 3: do a reading with someone, you link on a subconscious level.
Speaker 3: You know. That's why I prefer in person to you
Speaker 3: know over the phone or zoom, even though we know
Speaker 3: time and space is just an illusion, right, It's just
Speaker 3: you feel more of that connection when we when you're
Speaker 3: next to someone, so anyway, you're picking up from their subconscious.
Speaker 3: Your subconscious knows basically the way things are going, what's
Speaker 3: going to happen to you. And what happens is the
Speaker 3: reading articulates it for you. You should be sitting there.
Speaker 3: It should resonate like, oh I know that. I know
Speaker 3: that because you knew it. They're just pulling it out
Speaker 3: and like I said, articulating it for you.
Speaker 1: It just giving you information that you should already know
Speaker 1: and then helping you to move it forward.
Speaker 3: Right, And that's that's the big thing too, is you know,
Speaker 3: what do you want to do with it? You know,
Speaker 3: if all your cards look great, yay, if you do
Speaker 3: it you say, oh yeah, there is a little you
Speaker 3: know issue here, you know, with some family issues. Then
Speaker 3: you take the cards, you do a new spread on
Speaker 3: how can I best you know, alleviate these issues? How
Speaker 3: can I best bring harmony to my family? So, you know,
Speaker 3: just you keep working leading it to the result you want.
Speaker 1: Well, you, before we started recording, you graciously offered to
Speaker 1: do a very small little reading for us. I think
Speaker 1: Karen had a question that she was going to ask.
Speaker 2: I did well. First, My question is so you said
Speaker 2: like yes or no? But could you do like a
Speaker 2: three card spread? Is this table too small for that?
Speaker 3: Is there a three cards three card we could do
Speaker 3: for yes or no? You could do past present future.
Speaker 2: Let's the past present future.
Speaker 3: So I always have the person ask me the question.
Speaker 3: Some readers don't like that, but I find people don't
Speaker 3: know what to ask sometimes, or they just kind of
Speaker 3: ask in a wrong way. For example, you should I
Speaker 3: move here or there? It's like we do one at
Speaker 3: a time, and you don't want to say should I
Speaker 3: to yes or no? You want to say what are
Speaker 3: the benefits? Or how will I fare if I move
Speaker 3: to this place? What are the benefits? You know, how
Speaker 3: will it work out if I work there? So you
Speaker 3: want to keep it open but not too much, you know,
Speaker 3: like when will I find love? Yeah? People, oh I'm
Speaker 3: looking for a relationship. When will I find love? We
Speaker 3: could you could go adopt a puppy? Said, So you
Speaker 3: want to be open but specific to it. It depends. Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: So what exactly did you want to ask, well, so
Speaker 3: I'm kind.
Speaker 2: Of in the process of starting a new business and
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering. I mean, it's a little more challenging
Speaker 2: than I thought it would be. But I'm wondering, is
Speaker 2: this something that can ultimately be successful? And asking that
Speaker 2: incorrectly that.
Speaker 3: Would be good. So will my business ultimately be successful?
Speaker 3: Let's give it a time frame though, okay, like within
Speaker 3: a year, within two years, three years, because you know
Speaker 3: it's forty years from now, you don't care. Well, that's true,
Speaker 3: I'll still be here. Let's say a year, okay, So
Speaker 3: will your business be successful to the degree you want
Speaker 3: within the air? I've got to give you the cards
Speaker 3: and ask you to shuffle them with that question in mind.
Speaker 3: And I always tell people they're an awkward size. Okay,
Speaker 3: so I don't feel you have to look good.
Speaker 2: Well I'm awkward, so it's perfect. I know that. And
Speaker 2: you always look and I just rolled up my sleeves
Speaker 2: because yeah, the hard work.
Speaker 3: Just wants as many till you feel they're ready. I
Speaker 3: told you you don't have to look good. They're just
Speaker 3: a little bigger than usual. Okay, so this works. We
Speaker 3: tossing coins at work. There's a Yoruba system of divination
Speaker 3: where they toss pieces of coconut and if they're white
Speaker 3: or black. If there's two or three whites, it's yes.
Speaker 3: If there's two or three blacks, it's no. So this
Speaker 3: is the same way, except with reversals and upside down.
Speaker 3: You know, upright? All right? I give it longer than
Speaker 3: a year. The good thing about terror cards is this
Speaker 3: is a solid note because you got three reversed. But
Speaker 3: the cards give us insight into what's going on. Okay,
Speaker 3: the lovers love this card. It's a Gemini card. It
Speaker 3: people look at the say, oh, you know, soulmates all that.
Speaker 3: It's more of a Youngian concept of individuation of the
Speaker 3: male half the female half combine in order to know
Speaker 3: the higher self. So this says in your business, you
Speaker 3: really don't have a secure knowledge of where you want
Speaker 3: to go with it. Ultimately that there's more looking in
Speaker 3: where you have to do to find out why it's
Speaker 3: not happy. This is the card of dissatisfaction. So yeah,
Speaker 3: until you know exactly what you want, you're not going
Speaker 3: to find satisfaction until you know exactly who you are
Speaker 3: as a business person. And then the final outcome is
Speaker 3: I would not depend on it for my income for
Speaker 3: the next year, because this is the card of having
Speaker 3: lots of money, and you have it reversed so it
Speaker 3: would not be super financially profitable within the next year.
Speaker 3: The way to improve that is through self knowledge, through
Speaker 3: bringing together all the different parts of yourself that you're
Speaker 3: trying to express with this and self knowledge. That's the
Speaker 3: most important thing to have all your eyes dotted, your
Speaker 3: tea cross, to know exactly what it is you want. Hey,
Speaker 3: because even if you were financially successful, which we don't see,
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be satisfying to you. Yet you don't have
Speaker 3: it exactly.
Speaker 2: How you want it.
Speaker 1: Okay, does that make sense to you?
Speaker 2: It really makes sense. Yes it does.
Speaker 1: And knowing what I know, it makes fantastic sense to me.
Speaker 1: It is like and not exactly what we wanted to see,
Speaker 1: but it makes perfect It is absolutely what we should
Speaker 1: have expected to see.
Speaker 3: And the thing is you have you know a path
Speaker 3: you can follow. You know that this is what you
Speaker 3: have to work on. This card. If if this were
Speaker 3: my reading, I would take this card. If I had
Speaker 3: a deck or you could put These are public domain.
Speaker 3: They're all over the place. You can just print an offline,
Speaker 3: and I would hang it around my house as a
Speaker 3: vision board to remind me to explore myself more. Because
Speaker 3: you know, the male the female half the angel. The
Speaker 3: male represents your conscious mind, woman's your subconscious mind. The
Speaker 3: angel is the super conscious. The only way you can
Speaker 3: get any kind of spiritual enlightenment is through the inner self.
Speaker 3: That's why the man's looking at the woman's looking at
Speaker 3: the angel. So this is a whole union process of individuation,
Speaker 3: he said. That's why we're here to know ourselves completely.
Speaker 3: And so that's taken all your shadow, your light, all
Speaker 3: those parts and coming to understand them so you can
Speaker 3: move forward.
Speaker 1: Let's take you something you said earlier. This, like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: this is a solid no within this next year. That
Speaker 1: was a question that Karen asked. However, you did mention
Speaker 1: that this is malleable, so they could potentially change within
Speaker 1: absolutely a month and be a toy.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say a month, but I would say in
Speaker 3: three or four months. You could ask again.
Speaker 2: But if I make these changes here and look in
Speaker 2: myself and make sure I have the because I'm not
Speaker 2: a business person per se, I'm sure I'm missing a
Speaker 2: lot of tea's that I need to cross and yeah, there's.
Speaker 3: But there's things you can do, you can because it's
Speaker 3: not just knowing about the business, but knowing you know
Speaker 3: what parts you're going to hate, you know, because there
Speaker 3: are parts that are the pits. You know, you have
Speaker 3: to deal with the financially, you have to deal with
Speaker 3: all those other things at getting good advice, you know,
Speaker 3: I would I look on Score on their website all
Speaker 3: the time when I want information on how to run
Speaker 3: a business, that sort of thing. So there's there's things
Speaker 3: out there you can learn. But this is more within yourself. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's not just that, but knowing which aspects you would hate,
Speaker 3: Like I hate marketing. I hate putting myself out there
Speaker 3: going hi, you want to. It just embarrasses me. But
Speaker 3: other people love that part and they hate, you know,
Speaker 3: the financial part, or they hate you know, different other parts.
Speaker 3: So knowing what you want to deal with and what
Speaker 3: you don't.
Speaker 2: All right, that is vertin.
Speaker 1: This is spot on wonderful. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: doing this for us, as well as thank you for
Speaker 1: coming and helping us to get a grip to understand
Speaker 1: a little bit better the power of the terrorists.
Speaker 3: So much, so much to it. There is so much
Speaker 3: to it, and that's what's great about it is you
Speaker 3: know you'll never get bored. There's always more to learn. Now.
Speaker 2: I know you said you don't like marketing, so we're
Speaker 2: going to do it for you. If someone wants to
Speaker 2: reach out to you, to have a reading done, to learn,
Speaker 2: to attend a workshop or something, how's the best way
Speaker 2: for them to get in touch with you.
Speaker 3: Oh, lots of ways. I have a website russoreads dot com.
Speaker 3: I have a Facebook page that tells you what's coming up.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for coming and it was
Speaker 1: a pleasure to meet you. We look forward to learning
Speaker 1: more about the Torow with you in the future.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.