WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.480 --> 00:00:04.400 My name is Will and I'm Garon, and unlike moulderin Scully, 2 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:07.480 want to believe. So we've embarked in a journey of discovery. 3 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:10.119 We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and 4 00:00:10.160 --> 00:00:11.000 metaphysical world. 5 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:14.320 We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even 6 00:00:14.400 --> 00:00:15.800 joined a coven of witches. 7 00:00:15.560 --> 00:00:18.280 And wait, you joined a coven yep. 8 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:21.039 All on the interest of finding something, anything, that will 9 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:23.559 prove that there's something beyond this physical. 10 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:24.839 Three dimensional world we all live in. 11 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:32.479 This is the Skeptic Metaphysicians. This episode of The Skeptic 12 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:36.640 Metaphysicians was recorded live at the Edgar Casey Are Today 13 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:41.079 we're tackling a very popular topic in this space, the Toureau, 14 00:00:41.679 --> 00:00:44.799 and our guest today has studied, read, and taught the 15 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:48.079 Toureau for over fifty years, so you know that her 16 00:00:48.399 --> 00:00:52.600 information is rock solid. Her collecting background allows her to 17 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:56.679 bring diverse spiritual elements and practices to her readings, giving 18 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:59.880 her a very unique perspective. And she also teaches and 19 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:05.319 needs workshops in charm casting, creating, vision boards and pendulum 20 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:09.719 design and dowsing. I'm thrilled to welcome to the show, 21 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:11.120 Russa Harju, thank. 22 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:12.959 You so much for coming on, Thank you for having me. 23 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:18.680 Tourou is a stalwart right in when you think about 24 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:22.719 psychic fairs or things like that, or or in Newage movement. 25 00:01:22.799 --> 00:01:26.719 The tourou has been around for a very very long time. 26 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:30.879 It's what you think of crystals to row things like that, right. 27 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:35.599 So my biggest question, and I know we're going to 28 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:37.799 go deep into it, and you're graciously going to be 29 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:40.239 giving us a quick little mini reading later on, so 30 00:01:40.359 --> 00:01:45.719 we're excited about that. But when you when a reader 31 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:50.920 uses the cards, do the cards have the messages in 32 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:55.159 them themselves? Or is the toroau are the cards actually 33 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:59.120 just a gateway for your intuition to come through both? Okay, 34 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:02.000 thank you, I thank you for joining us. 35 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:06.159 Well let's even start before that. What are turo or 36 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:08.439 tarot or how do you pronounce it are? What are 37 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:09.000 the cards? 38 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:11.639 Okay? Well they are not as old as people think 39 00:02:11.680 --> 00:02:15.360 they are. People think, oh, ancient Egypt, all that stuff. 40 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:20.000 They first deck they have on hand is from about 41 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.639 mid fourteen hundreds in Italy and it was a card game. 42 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:28.000 But with any kind of game they turn into divination 43 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:33.439 tools and so these cards. This particular deck, the wait 44 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.520 Smith deck, is one of the most popular ones there is. 45 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:42.120 And this one came out in about nineteen ten, so 46 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:45.960 it's public domain and it's very different from the earlier cards. 47 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:51.400 And they were designed to be a gateway. They were 48 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:56.520 designed that each symbol opens you up. But you don't know, 49 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:58.800 you don't need to be working in your psychic development. 50 00:02:58.879 --> 00:03:02.759 You can read the cards by noting the symbol. You know, 51 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:07.159 the Emperor's card number four, that's stability and structure. His 52 00:03:07.919 --> 00:03:11.000 corresponds with the sign of ares. The rams show you that. 53 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:17.560 So there's pints and all the cards and so it's uh, basically, yeah, 54 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:20.879 the messages are in the cards. You hear from spirit. 55 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:25.000 It opens you psychically. If you do a little ritual 56 00:03:25.039 --> 00:03:28.159 before you read, like I do, opens you psychically. So 57 00:03:29.120 --> 00:03:30.800 it comes at you from all different angles. 58 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:33.639 Okay, and you mentioned something I was going to ask about. 59 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:36.560 You said, you do a ritual before you start. What 60 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.639 what is that like? And do you have to do one? 61 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:42.039 No, you don't. That's the one thing that drives men 62 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:45.840 says there's so many weird myths about taro, you know, 63 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:49.520 like you can't buy your own deck. That's that's a nonsense. Okay, 64 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:51.639 if you had to wait till someone gave you one. 65 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.319 Yeah, I've been waiting all this time. 66 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:54.800 That's given. 67 00:03:55.120 --> 00:03:58.479 No one's giving one. If anyone's out there, I'll need 68 00:03:58.520 --> 00:03:58.840 to do it. 69 00:03:59.439 --> 00:04:01.599 You can go to the gest store. At the bookstore, 70 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:04.800 they have some really nice ones. But yeah, you don't 71 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.400 none of that. You know, don't let other people touch 72 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:09.479 your cards. I let other people touch my cards all 73 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:13.319 the time. There's a lot of silly myths about it. 74 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:18.079 But uh, the same thing with the rifle beforehand. Some 75 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:20.160 people say, oh, well you have to cut the cards 76 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:24.319 three times and then this, and you know, that's what 77 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.800 happened is somebody saw someone else's a ritual and didn't 78 00:04:27.879 --> 00:04:31.600 understand why they were doing it. So there's a lot 79 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:35.040 of that nonsense, like that old story about the family 80 00:04:35.120 --> 00:04:37.680 who every time they had a pot roast, they cut 81 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:40.800 a piece off, put it to the side, and for 82 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:44.079 two generations and then somebody said, why are we doing that? 83 00:04:44.360 --> 00:04:46.160 They asked a great grandmother and she said, oh, when 84 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.519 I was first married, my pot was too small. So 85 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:54.720 it's just doing something without knowing why. So a ritual 86 00:04:54.959 --> 00:04:58.800 is to set you up. For example, I always use cloths. 87 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:03.360 I make claws, they sell cloths. I never put my 88 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:08.199 cards on a blank, bare table because and first all, 89 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:12.240 I don't know what's been on that. And secondly, when 90 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:15.199 I see this, it starts to wretch at me, right 91 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:18.040 into the alpha state, which I want to be in 92 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:20.680 in order to read. So when I see this, it's 93 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:23.959 like you seeing teable set for dinner. You know it's 94 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:28.560 time to eat. I know it's time to read. God, okay, So. 95 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:31.519 Put you in the mind space absolutely. 96 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:35.319 And that's the start. And then before each reading, I 97 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:38.439 do a little breath work. I have a certain hand 98 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:41.920 motion that helps me get in the alpha state. It's 99 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.439 something I've trained myself to do over the years. So 100 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:47.839 immediately I'm in the alpha state, I do a quick 101 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:53.120 little intentional prayer. I ask my ancestors, I ask the Goddess. 102 00:05:53.240 --> 00:05:56.160 I ask all beings of light to help make my 103 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.639 reading as accurate and helpful as possible. You know, for 104 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:03.040 the high it's good of all concerned. Just that's my ritual. 105 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:06.600 Other people do all, yeah, whatever works for them, cutting 106 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.720 the cards, knocking the cards, there's a lot of different 107 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:15.199 things you'll see people do. And if they've worked that out, themselves. 108 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.680 It's great. If they're just copying someone else, it's really not. 109 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:23.279 Very helpful right now. It can't hurt though to incorporate 110 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:23.920 some else. 111 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:26.959 Does it hurt out? I love the aesthetics, but I 112 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:29.399 keep my cards at a box wrapped in silk. Do 113 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:32.279 you have to do that? No, but I like the 114 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:36.079 tradition of it. I like the aesthetics as well. I 115 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:38.839 clean my cards with selenite in between each reading. 116 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:40.319 I was going to ask you about that. 117 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:43.079 Yeah, I mean I don't do that at home if 118 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:44.639 i have like a one on one, but if I'm 119 00:06:44.639 --> 00:06:47.439 in a psychic fair, I'll do it for a minute. 120 00:06:47.600 --> 00:06:52.439 Can you hold that up so we can see it celenite? 121 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:55.639 And what does that do for the selenite cleans anything. 122 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.639 I'm a very lazy person, so if I've got to 123 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:01.639 clean my cards, I'm not going to stand there and 124 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.600 wave seventy eight cards over POLOSOFTA. I'm just not going 125 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:07.360 to do a lot of work. It's too much. And 126 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.360 I buy I make jewelry, but I buy a lot 127 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:14.120 of vintage jewelry at state sales. I don't know who's 128 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.279 warrant come home put it on my selenite. I don't 129 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:20.000 have to do any other kind of cleansing. I don't 130 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:23.800 even cleanse the selenite. It cleanses itself. So it's just 131 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:27.240 really handy. And you know, I'm not going to smudge 132 00:07:27.240 --> 00:07:29.439 stuff all the time. I'm not going to put it 133 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:34.120 in a bowl of salt and forget it. Yeah, and 134 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:36.639 you know all that it's just too much work. 135 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:39.120 If only would clean the bathrooms, put it in there, 136 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:40.319 you come back the next morning. 137 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:41.319 Try. 138 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:45.319 I haven't if it if it had a possibility, I 139 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:46.160 would have tried. 140 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:48.439 The energy of the bat. 141 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:50.480 Yeah. 142 00:07:50.519 --> 00:07:54.319 So the cards are you mentioned a gateway to a 143 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.959 large extent, The right of wait is the traditional deck everything. 144 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:02.920 It's the most popular deck there is. It's not traditionalist 145 00:08:03.000 --> 00:08:04.319 and old, but it's right. 146 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:07.399 But it's the one that people most think of when anythink. 147 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:10.399 Toro, they do, and most modern decks are based on it. 148 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:12.480 You know, there are a couple of different like the 149 00:08:12.519 --> 00:08:17.360 Crowley decks a little different, and the artisan Taro is 150 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:20.480 a little different. But ninety eight percent of your decks, 151 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:23.439 even the novelty ones, are based on the way deck. 152 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:25.600 Okay, oh, I was going to ask about the novelty 153 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:28.959 ones because I saw like a Britney Spears. Will that work? 154 00:08:30.160 --> 00:08:33.279 I have a couple because they're pretty, you know, But 155 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:36.200 and I have the Buffy the Vampire Slayer one because 156 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:42.480 I wanted to say Spike, but it's it could work. 157 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:46.879 I wouldn't use them because this deck has a depth 158 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.879 of symbolism that those decks aren't going to have. I 159 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:51.000 think they're just for fun. 160 00:08:51.279 --> 00:08:54.559 Right. You can bring up a good point because symbolism 161 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.519 symbols are powerful. So when you say that the act 162 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:01.480 is a gateway, the symbols themselves might bring something out 163 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:04.919 based on the symbolism. We talked about Sacret, Jim Amitri 164 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:07.960 and all that kind of stuff. There is something to 165 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:12.120 be said about I always say traditional, but the writer 166 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:14.799 wait for me. Whenever I see it it it lists 167 00:09:14.799 --> 00:09:17.759 a certain response. Where I pick up the Britney Spears deck, 168 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.120 It's not going to give me that same response. It's 169 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:21.240 gonna it's gonna. 170 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:22.159 Does not the gravitas. 171 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:23.720 It doesn't have the gravitas. 172 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:25.559 Well, I mean this was developed for that. 173 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:26.360 Uh. 174 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.919 Weight and Pamela Coleman Smith, who was the artist, were 175 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:32.679 members of the Golden Dawn and the Golden Dawn is 176 00:09:32.679 --> 00:09:36.679 a magical society. Back in Victorian times, and it was 177 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:40.320 you know, a lot of rich, you know, British guys. 178 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:41.840 Sure, so they. 179 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:48.039 They work. They had like a magical brotherhood I guess 180 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:51.799 called the Golden Dawn, and this incorporated a lot. They're 181 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:56.080 the first ones who in modern times correlated the Taro 182 00:09:56.200 --> 00:09:59.919 and the Kabbala and Taro and astrology. So every single 183 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:05.039 card has an astrological correspondence. The major arcana, which is 184 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:11.519 the twenty two cards, like the Emperor and the Tower, 185 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:16.600 they are either correspond to is a sign of the 186 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:21.320 zodiac or a planet. The minor arcana. Each of the 187 00:10:21.399 --> 00:10:26.799 four suits pentacles corresponds to earth, cups corresponds to water, 188 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:31.879 swords correspond with air, and ones correspond with fire. Although 189 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:34.200 there's a little controversy about that. Sure, there's a lot 190 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:35.480 of controversy in Terrance. 191 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:41.840 Everybody with how you've pronounced or whatever a time. 192 00:10:44.559 --> 00:10:50.320 Car But Young studied the tarot and we use a lot, 193 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:52.240 or at least I do use a lot of his 194 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:55.000 terminology when I read, you know, the cards fall how 195 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:59.200 they're supposed to fall, that synchronicity. The major arcana cards 196 00:10:59.679 --> 00:11:03.440 are archetypical images, and that's another reason they have power 197 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:08.320 when you see the hermitage, you see the wise man 198 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:13.679 who gives you information. When you see death, you have 199 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:14.919 an impact from that guy. 200 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:18.759 Yet, if I'm not mistaken, death is not a negative card. 201 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:19.799 Is just a transition. 202 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.639 It's a transition that's so intense that it's as if 203 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:27.279 you died and were reborn. It's that kind of a transformation. 204 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:27.960 It's huge. 205 00:11:28.440 --> 00:11:30.279 So does it make a difference if they're upside down 206 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:33.200 or right side up and following up to that upside 207 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.960 down or right side to the reader or to the reading. 208 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:41.399 That's another controversy. Yeah, people will tell you different things. 209 00:11:41.679 --> 00:11:45.240 Some people don't read reversals at all. Yeah, that's when 210 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:49.639 they're upside down. I do, because there's seventy eight cards. 211 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.200 If you read reversals as well, then you've got whatever 212 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:54.080 that is one hundred and fifty six or whatever it is. 213 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:58.720 So to me, yeah, reversals can mean the opposite, or 214 00:11:58.799 --> 00:12:01.279 they can be like when a planet's retrograde. You know, 215 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:04.200 whatever that change is, whatever that energy is, it's taking 216 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:08.559 a little longer to manifest, gotcha. So I read it 217 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.120 as facing me because it would just be too much 218 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:15.480 metal gymnastics, and I it's like reading a book it's 219 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:17.679 right in front of me. So that's how I do it. 220 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.519 Some people don't read reversals at all, and everyone has 221 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.759 different opinions, and you do what works for you. You know, 222 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:29.559 if your readings are helpful and accurate, that's what counts 223 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:32.200 if your client is satisfied. 224 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:36.440 So can anyone just pick up a deck and start 225 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:38.879 reading off the bat or is a special type of 226 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:39.720 training you have to. 227 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:44.480 Have ETI to practice. I mean, you can't just throw 228 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:47.159 them down and do see. There's three ways to read. 229 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:52.080 There is totally this is what the card means. This 230 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:54.600 is what the card means in this position. You know, 231 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.080 that's a very you know, straightforward, you lose a little 232 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:01.000 book till you have it all memorized. Another way to 233 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:02.879 read is just to look at the pictures and make 234 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:06.360 up stories. So you have your book learning, you have 235 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:09.000 your intuitive and then you have the way I do it, 236 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:12.120 which is a hybrid. So I know what the cards mean, 237 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:16.679 but I also have flexibility in that. You know, each 238 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:19.120 time I look at a card, I might notice a 239 00:13:19.200 --> 00:13:23.559 different symbol, and so that would shift the meaning for 240 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:24.279 me a little bit. 241 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:28.440 Okay, So it's not as easy as just looking at 242 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:32.960 that because I know the weight deck actually has descriptors. 243 00:13:32.440 --> 00:13:34.000 Of each card, and what it means is that a 244 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:34.639 little white book. 245 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.720 So somebody might be seeing the deck in reading from it. 246 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:40.759 It's perfectly fine. But the more you use it, the 247 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:42.679 more in depth the message. 248 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:44.759 And when I was learning, what I did was go 249 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:46.480 to a lot of different readers so I could see 250 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:50.000 how they did it, because everybody had different methods. You know, 251 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:54.840 some people would just randomly pull cards and not to spreads. 252 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:57.799 Some people to spread, some people don't just spreads. Some 253 00:13:58.039 --> 00:14:01.159 people have the quarrent pick a card. There's so many 254 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.279 different ways to do it. You do what works for you. 255 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:07.279 To me, the most important thing about a reading is 256 00:14:08.639 --> 00:14:11.080 people come to you and some people are scared. You're like, 257 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:14.480 oh gosh, I don't want to hear anything bad. And 258 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:18.720 to me, your reading should be empowering. So if you 259 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:23.320 couldn't do something about what your reading says, I get one. 260 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:27.720 But to me, if you know, first of all, you're forewarned, 261 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.879 and second Tara tells your potentials the way things are 262 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:34.639 right now, these are the energies in play, These are 263 00:14:34.679 --> 00:14:37.399 the forces in play. If you like how that's going, 264 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:40.039 you keep going that way. If you don't like how 265 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:43.399 it's going, Let's explore how you can change it or 266 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:47.120 at least get a lesson out of it to have 267 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:50.320 it be of benefit to you. So no one should 268 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:54.440 leave a reading feeling scared or nervous or anything but 269 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:56.559 empowered and positive. 270 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:59.879 See. I love that intention that you're putting behind your reading. 271 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:02.799 But we all know that there are people out there 272 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:06.039 that are making a quick book, and a lot of 273 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:08.600 our audience they don't know how to tell between someone 274 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:11.120 who is legit like you've been doing it forever. You're 275 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:14.200 obviously very well educated and well versed, and someone who's 276 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:16.759 just trying to make a quick book. How can you tell? 277 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:18.840 How can you protect yourself with someone going to get 278 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:19.200 a reading? 279 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:22.759 That is like one of the most frustrating things, because 280 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:25.679 I think what people come to read for you for reading? 281 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:27.919 I mean, sometimes it's for fun, like it's affairs here, 282 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:30.240 But most of the times people come to you because 283 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.120 they have a problem or they have a worry a concern, 284 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:37.000 And so to me, to take advantage of someone's vulnerability 285 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:41.080 like that, it's just awful. I would say. The big 286 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:45.960 thing is how they talk to you, you know, do 287 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:47.799 they are they trying to scare you or are they 288 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:51.279 trying to help you find a way out of whatever 289 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:56.799 situation you're in, you know, because yeah, I watch myself 290 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:59.639 too when I read, because I have a tendency if 291 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:01.159 I look at the card that says to do this, 292 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:05.519 oh you should, and then I stop, because that's one 293 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:07.519 thing I hate people saying to me you should, So 294 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:10.080 I always try to say it would serve you best too, 295 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:15.559 or you might do well too. You know, I don't 296 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:18.200 have to listen to me. I'm just telling you what 297 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:21.799 the cards say, so if they are trying to steer 298 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:25.000 you in a direction. And then there's the fear thing, 299 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:28.440 I mean, some of the stuff people believe. I knew 300 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:32.279 a woman once who she'd had a horrific year. I mean, 301 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:37.639 her brother was murdered, she was thirty, she had a hysterectomy, 302 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:41.240 her house burned out, my mom. She had this year 303 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:43.919 from help, and she went to a reader. This is 304 00:16:43.960 --> 00:16:46.639 before I ever knew her, and the woman told her 305 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:50.440 she was cursed and if she gave her five hundred dollars, 306 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:52.639 she would, you know, burn it and take it off. 307 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:56.679 And she, under normal circumstances would never ever have fallen 308 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:59.759 for that. But her life. She was just so damaged. 309 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.240 Then that's right. Yeah, that's to me the worst thing 310 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:03.879 someone can do. 311 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:09.519 Peebaging off the fear topic. There are some people that 312 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:13.880 feel that to row cards and things like that maybe 313 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:17.000 aren't from the light side of things. What would you 314 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:19.240 say to someone that says, oh, this is like a 315 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:20.559 demonic thing or something like that. 316 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:23.519 I've had people say that. Actually here, once I was 317 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:27.559 reading it, some woman ran into the reading room and said, please, please, please, 318 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:31.079 can you convince me they're not of the devil? And 319 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:31.440 they're not. 320 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:32.480 I mean. 321 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:37.319 The really the old old decks are all church symbols. 322 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.440 You know. The Higher Effect was originally the Pope, the 323 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:44.079 High Priestess was Pope Joe. I tell people, if you're 324 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:46.599 nervous about it, go get an angel deck. You get 325 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:50.400 something that makes you feel better. It's a tool to 326 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:55.119 help people. There's nothing demonic about it at all. And 327 00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:59.759 if some people they're just not going to believe, you're 328 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:03.920 into that particular mindset. But I think when when you 329 00:18:04.039 --> 00:18:07.000 talk to people about what these cards mean, this and 330 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.880 they are to help you navigate through life. Because you 331 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:13.680 don't even have to be spiritual to use tarot cards. 332 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:17.119 You can use them as a psychological tool. You can 333 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:21.160 use them for personal development. You don't have to have 334 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:24.400 any sort of spiritual beliefs whatsoever, and you can still 335 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:24.960 read terror. 336 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:28.880 That's good to know, But I would still like to 337 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:30.200 have a spiritual belief before you. 338 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:35.920 So I hear the different readers about different spreads. How 339 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:41.359 many spreads are theres just like those thousands of cards, 340 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:43.480 Like how many like card ranges and from like two 341 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:45.680 to fifty You're like, how oh, there's way. 342 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:45.920 More than that. 343 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:47.519 Some people use all the cards right. 344 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:51.200 A single and you don't have to put you the 345 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:54.519 spread either. You could just put cards down randomly. What 346 00:18:54.680 --> 00:18:56.519 I do sometimes at the end of a reading is 347 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:58.640 I just fan the cards that have people pick a 348 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:02.039 few randomly so that they're getting more involved. But yeah, 349 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:08.799 there's loads and loads of spreads. There's a few famous 350 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:12.119 ones like the Celtic Cross, or I do an astrological 351 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.160 spread that I like a lot. But there's so many, 352 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.839 And you could my whole books just full of taro 353 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:22.200 spreads right right, like one hundred and ten perisprits, you know, 354 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:23.359 fifty tarot spreads. 355 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.960 You can wow, you don't realize that, see to me, 356 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:28.640 I just or wwhelms me. 357 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:29.640 It's a lot. 358 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:33.039 I just like, you know, here's the three cards, or 359 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:35.240 maybe I'll do a Celtic cross or something like that, 360 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:37.680 but anything other than that. It's just like I had 361 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:40.599 a reading done once where kept pulling cards, you kept 362 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:42.160 playing cards, like, when is it ever going to end? 363 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:43.599 They so it was just it was just too much 364 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:43.839 for me. 365 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:49.000 Well, it's you get used to it. And the great 366 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:52.359 thing with this is it corresponds to so much. You know, 367 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.039 if you're weak on tarot but you know astrology, you've 368 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:58.359 got that tiet. If you're weak in taro, but you 369 00:19:58.440 --> 00:20:03.240 have numerology, got that. Yeah, there's just there's a book, 370 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:06.319 there's a big bye. What's her name, Keith Susan Chang. 371 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.720 That's all correspondences. There is a correspondence for every card. 372 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:14.839 There's you know it's a zodiac, there's this's that. But 373 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:18.279 there's also a music note for each card. There's a 374 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:23.119 crystal for each card. There's just anything you can think of, 375 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:29.039 the Hebrew word for each card. There's just so many correspondences. 376 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.799 I've been doing this. I got my first deck when 377 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:38.680 I was eleven, and learn I'm seventy one and so 378 00:20:38.839 --> 00:20:42.119 i learned stuff every day, you know, every day I 379 00:20:42.279 --> 00:20:43.079 learn more and more. 380 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.880 How accurate are the readings? Like, I mean, like how 381 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:48.039 details can they get? 382 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:53.000 It can get insanely accurate. But a lot depends on 383 00:20:53.079 --> 00:20:57.039 the input too, you know, because a terror reading should 384 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:00.839 be a conversation. You know, you don't yet you don't 385 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:02.400 just sit there passively, right like. 386 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:04.200 Those people come and goes, okay, the psychic tell me 387 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:04.599 about me. 388 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:07.319 That's the worst. I'm like, you want to waste your 389 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:10.839 time and your money for the cards always fall how 390 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.160 they're supposed to fall. It will if you start doing it, 391 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:18.480 it will always amaze you. It's like funny sometimes the 392 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:20.680 way they fall. It's like, oh yeah, could you be 393 00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:24.279 more blatant? They always fall how they're supposed to fall. We, however, 394 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:25.880 may not interpret them correctly. 395 00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:26.839 Yeah. 396 00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:29.920 So yeah, sometimes I have no problem with asking I 397 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:32.119 think this means this? Does that mean anything to you? 398 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.319 Or do you think it could be something different? Because 399 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.680 it should be a conversation. And the idea too is 400 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:42.839 the person has there's levels of openness. Sure, when you 401 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:45.880