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everyone back to the Pecanana Show. Sebastian from Anelo Pill
is here. How are you doing, Sebastian, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: I'm doing very well. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Cool. Tell everybody a little bit about yourself as much
as you as much as you're willing to give.
Speaker 2: Of course. Well, I have been working for Lapill for
a couple of years now, and I recently became the
editor in chief, and it's been a very rewarding journey.
It's a job that I absolutely love doing, have a
lot of passion for. So, as I'm sure your listeners know,
you guys we're interested in talking about with Danunzia and Fiume.
So I read this book recently and I think it
is a very fascinating case study of a piece of
history that we actually don't know very much about it.
And in fact, I didn't know very much about it
until we decided to publish it, and I had to,
you know, kind of read through it from to get
this thing out the door. So it's about so there
was a poet and an aviator like a veteran in
the Italian army during the First World War named Gabrielle D'Annunzio.
And in the aftermath of the First World War, as
I'm sure a lot of you historically literate people know,
Europe was basically carved up very differently than it was
before the war started, and naturally, not everybody felt very
warm and tingly about this, to say the least. As
a matter of fact, there was a lot of your
identist feelings in Italy specifically where the victorious power is
actually carved up what was once Italy, and they took
this coastal city which is now in Croatia at the time,
it's called for you May, and they gave it to
what is essentially not like like I said, Croatia, but
it was populated largely by ethnic Italians. And this this
anger Denudesio and a lot of his his loyal men,
the the Rditi as they were called. They were actually
basically the first shot troops of the First World War,
alongside the more well known German stormtroopers. Actually I think
they're a little bit underrated, if you ask me so.
So Danuzzio took a bevy of his ardity and marched
right into for You Make It, said, this is mine. Now,
We're not going to let We're not going to let
this get handed over to a foreign power. There's no
way this is an Italian city and we're not going
to let it happen. And he actually petitioned the Italian government, said, hey,
I've taken the city. All you have to do is
just annex it like I've already done all the heavy lifting.
Just just just signed the paperwork. And of course they
weren't super thrilled about the as they you know, kind
of filled a knife on their neck from the victorious
Allied powers to okay, let's maybe we'll just see what happens.
And anyway, so long story short, that occupation lasted for
a few months before it came to an end. But
it's there's a lot of fun bumpastics that happened in
the meantime. So that was kind of a fun little
intro for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that a lot of that happened in World War One.
After World War One, I was reading recently. It's a
little known diary by Anna eisen Manger called Blockade. And
she was middle to middle upper class woman in uh
in Austria and in Vienna. And yeah, just what she
talked about there about how how checks got part of
Germany and Italians were actually controlling part of Germany too,
and the kind of of the way they were treated
the Germans who lived the Yeah, and she considered herself
even though she lived and she considered herself a German.
She says it in her in the diary that the
way that Germans weren't being treated that, yeah, just because
this treaty decided to carve things up, and you know,
as she she even made the point that it seemed
like this was done to create chaos. And I think
we use this kind of thing, the kind of thing
we see today with like the way they do immigration,
where it seems like the immigration but there's many reasons
for the immigration, but one of them is just chaos.
Is to throw throw a population into chaos.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What's interesting is the Germans and Poles really aren't
even that different from each other, and even that was
enough to cause problems. Now today we decided it's a
great idea to drag as many people that are as
unlike each other as possible and throw them all into
one geographic area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you have people who historically have lived next
to each other and you know pretty much, can you
start doing genetic testing? Yeah, we're well, we're pretty close. Yeah.
My big thing is I used to live in South Florida,
so I've been around Haitians, as around Haitians for a
lot of years. So as soon as I saw what
they were doing, you know, and even here in Alabama,
I was like, all right, this is this could be
the thing that puts people over the edge because there's nobody.
They haven't brought anyone up. I mean, Somalis in Minnesota.
In Minneapolis are you know, if you gunns ahead, you
have to make a choice to live around them or
live around Haitians. I'm gonna live around the Somalis because
I don't think people understand. I don't think people understand exactly,
you know, the how just how different the Haitian population is.
So yeah, I mean now it's obviously much worse, but
even even back then, you were still going to have
tensions between people who were Polish and people who were
who were German, just because you know, it's cousin instead
of brother kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. It's interesting. Yeah. You know, Haitians have been
in the news a bit lately with the happening since Springfield, Ohio.
As I'm sure you're aware.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the I've been all over that and the
when you so like the way Czechoslovakia took over certain
parts of Austria and Germany after after World War One
and just basically started to wreck there. There was no there,
started raping the forests and the forest deforestation and you know,
just treating treating the the people native to that land.
That Yeah, dropping twenty thousand, and I've heard from people
up there who say it's more into a town of
fifty thousand that was already suffering, and not only dropping
them in there, but giving them wads of cash and
claiming that this is what is you know, this is
what's going to fix the economy, when they could have
just given the people, the white people in Springfield that
money to fix the economy. Yeah, you have to think
there's something there's something really wrong. And I guess that's
something that Dinanzio felt too, is like, if you're going
to if things are going to start getting carved up,
then somebody should probably do something about it. At this point,
at that point.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's funny how many parallels there are even today,
at least like back in the day there were clearly
demarcated areas on the map. This goes to polls, this
goes to Italians, this goes to Germans, et cetera, et cetera.
Nowadays you don't have that. We just have one big
country that all the states are effetively open boarders with
each other, so anybody can go anywhere at any time.
So it just turns into one giant Hodgepod so to speak.
It's quite a different situation in many ways.
Speaker 1: And then you have places like Appalachia, you know, who
are historically I'm talking about for hundreds of years, as
you know, my mom's side of the family is from
is from Appalachia, and this is this is several hundred
years of a culture. And now because of you know,
storms and because of our crumbling infrastructure, because you know,
we have this competency crisis crisis quote unquote, which is
just basically white people, white people can't run things anymore,
so they put people in there who don't know how
to do anything. They don't allow white people to run
anything anymore. Now Appalachians are under or under attack the
you know in what there, the FEMA is like arresting
people who are trying to go in there like normal
people are trying to go in there and help these people.
I mean, it's just basically a war of displacement at
this point.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a war of attrition, and it's a war
of moving people. And I just finished reading I just
released an episode reading Martin van Krebl's Warren Migration, and
it's just this whole paper he did on historically, how
migration has been war, you know, displacements of whole swaths
of people, and in ways that people had to be
treated at first in order to be either driven out
of there or driven so far into poverty or this
despair that they can just bring another group in and
replace that displace that group.
Speaker 2: I've actually said for a long time, it's funny that
you mentioned that. I've said for a long time that
the condition is that white people are in today are
actually much harder than a lot of post war like
treaties that were inflicted on a defeated population, like, for example,
what happened in the Italy and after the First One War.
I would argue that what we're facing today is actually
even more severe than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you don't you don't have to fire a shot. No, Yeah,
it's like they're not it's not like they're coming in
and they're they're shooting people. It's not like they're the
All they have to do is allow allow infrastructure to crumble,
Let nature take its course. You know, you're gonna have her.
You're gonna have hurricanes, even this late in the season.
I mean a Hurricane Andrew, which I lived through, which
is a famous one when I lived in South Florida
that was very late in the season too. It's the latest,
the late ones that always do the most damage. And
you know, and then you have you watch that and
you're seeing they're just allowing people they're going to let
try and kill, let these people die basically, and then
you have what's happening Andrew was nineteen ninety one, nineteen
ninety or nineteen ninety No, it's ninety ninety one. Yeah,
And then you and then you have this the dropping
increasing the size of a town by by thirty three percent,
with people who don't speak English and who are from
a culture where they practice voodoo and have cannibalism and
also have a history of killing all the white people
on the on the island, even the Mulattoes just killed
anyone who's not black, just kill them all. And they're
most of the people on that island are pretty aware
of their history, so much so that they share an
island with a country Dominican Republic, who, because they understand
the Haitian pace people, they turn into these like mulatto
white supremacists who are like, yeah, you're not allowed to
come here. We're going to shoot you if you try
and come over our border.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. This doesn't take any special knowledge to
realize this. All it takes it to not have a
propagandaized population. And even that, I don't think we're I
think it's more just a carrot in the stick situation
and more of a stick situation where did you speak
up about something you just get punished. You take that
away and everyone understands the problem.
Speaker 1: So denunzio are we talking about We're talking about proto
proto Italian fascism here, Yes, that's right.
Speaker 2: Actually, the Italian fascist us Leni one on actually took
a lot of inspiration from the Hydiens of Dnusu and
his loyal RDV, which again, before before we decided to
publish this book, I wasn't even aware of this period
of history, so it was a very enlightening thing to read.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's it's also an interesting period in time
because a lot of countries are having fascist movements, but
because they tend to be more nationalists, they can be
different from country to country. You know, the the Action
Franseie and the British Union of Yeah, the British Union
of Fascists are going to be too, going to operate
two completely different ways, but they're still going to on
an international level be able to talk to each other
and have a lot in common.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Plus Europe is so geographically small. I mean,
it's like roughly the size of the US. And that's
that they're including like the parts of Russia like before
the you reach the Urals, like mainland. Europe is actually,
if you're not including Russia, is actually quite tiny all
things considered, which I think it makes it all the
more important to preserve.
Speaker 1: So Dennzio just had his army left over from World
War One. Who who's fighting with him?
Speaker 2: Yes, so basically a bunch of these loyal shock troops
that with them during the First World War. Obviously, these
guys were also not very happy about the the post
war treaty that were giving over this city. So it
stirred up a lot of your a dentist energies, as Hey,
that that's our city. We're not going to to let
some piece of paper decide that our city is just
going to be up for drabs. There's no way we're
gonna let that happen without a fight. We just thought
a war and we're not gonna let that happen, so
especially since the Italians were, you know, on the winning
side of that time.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I guess one of the things that
you could really look at if you wanted to compare
this with today is I mean the fact that they
are Italian and we're you know, when we look at
what's happening here, we're Americans and some it's I'm not
going to use the term melting pot because I know
we're melting. That term came from and it's such a
horrible term, but it is a bunch of groups who
are There are many different cultures in the United States,
and there.
Speaker 2: Is some truth to it. I mean, white Americans effectively
today are their own ethnic group if you ask me, Like,
obviously it's more complicated than that, Like there's still people
that have like strong Italian identity, for example, are Irish
or Greek or god as well. But for the most part, everybody,
all the white people today like nominally identify as Americans first,
and then their ancestry is kind of just a nice
little bonus thing for them. I don't really think there's
anybody who's like, yeah, I'm like only Italian and I'm
kind of just here as a guest in this country.
I think that that sentiment has been long long gone,
so excuse me. I think if there were ever like
an American nationalist movement, I think people would just cling
to their American identities. I think, based on my own
life experience, that's that's how everybody feels today, like the
whole Uh it's funny actually non whites kind of make
fun of white people, you know, in a way to
actually find kind of funny and lighthearted, which is that
we are always talking about our ancestry like, oh, I'm
like three quarters Italian in a quarter Polish, Like there's
like a little one sixteenth of like English in there.
And it's funny because like I've heard, you know, black
colleagues and whatnot say it like, hey, we never do
any of that. Come that's only white people do something
like that, And I guess it's actually true. That is
something that's unique to us. So I've never really heard
non whites talking about themselves that way. I mean, obviously,
like they'll have their ancestry like they're maybe they're from
like Thailand or something, but it kind of just ends
there and it's not really a point of topic, the
topic of conversation really like it is with us. So
I'd like to think that we have a little quirk
about us and it's something I don't really want to
give up, even though we are all at the end
of the day, like Americans.
Speaker 1: That yeah, I wasn't saying that like a lot of
white Americans, European Americans still like I identify with the
old Country. First, I'm saying it's just trying to get
everybody to come together in the United States under the
banner of of something is hard because when you see
yourself as American, well that also that also includes a
lot of groups that are destroying America. You know, a
lot of groups will fall under that naturally because of
our civic religion, that are destroying America. And you know,
I don't think that it's white Europeans that are destroying America.
So yeah, yeah, I mean having people just getting certain
people to understand that. You know, watch cable news, watch
cable news for the last ten years and you'll see
that they Yeah, I was talking about this today. I
can't remember who I was talking about with. But when
when it comes to like victim status and you you
have all these groups historically, you know, Blacks, Jews, all
these that claim victim status, but it's really not victim
status because they're getting they're getting preferential treatment. And like
no one has you know, no one in the United
States has declared war upon any racial group, any ethnic
group except whites.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like you're actually oppressed. If you claim
to be a victim, nobody would listen to me. You
wouldn't get a spot on cable TV. I just listen
to the way that white people are talked about in
mainstream discord. We're effectively just an obstacle for other people
to overcome.
Speaker 1: And the well and it's also I forget what the
guy's name is. I think it was at the A
c l U. Or was he at the A c
l U. Or it's Southern.
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about. You about more potox
uh the calendar of white the white population percentage. Yeah,
that's what you're talking about. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine, I mean if it was black, if
it was like if the black population was dwindling and
some white guy at at like ABBY the Abbeyville Institute
had that had that and that came out, it'd be war.
I mean they their their licenses would be taken away,
I mean everything, they'd be destroyed. But no, it's and
you know, that's the problem is is just getting you know,
most white people, especially older people who have power, people
who have wealth, to understand that because they're very because
their wealth and there and what power they have is
still insulating them from a lot of a lot of
this where a lot of a lot of younger whites
can't even get the jobs to be able to even
start making wealth. Getting people to come together and basically
understand what this war actually is is. You know, it's troubling.
And then you know, you take into consideration that once
you start doing that, you're going to be infiltrated. You're
going to have Feds in there, and they're going to
be looking to shut you down. Even if you if
you're not infiltrated, they're going to shut you, try to
shut you down from the outside.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting this country is so geographically expansive that
the problems aren't bad enough yet where you can't just
run away and find somewhere that's still nice, which is
a double edged sword. Obviously, it's nice that you can
do that However, the downside to that is that it
makes it easy for people to bury their heads in
the sand and not feel like they're forced to politically
fight the problems that are being inflicted inflicted upon us.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, after living in Atlanta for so many years,
I decided I wanted to get I wanted to get out,
and I mean I live pretty damn rural. Some people
could say running away, but even but then, you know,
how far can you run for? I live fifty minutes
from Silicaga, Alabama. I don't know if you've heard that name,
but that's one of those places where Haitians were just
dropped off in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing how they don't just get dropped off
into Atlanta or other major population centers. Have to strategically
inject them into the most strategically white places in the country.
It's almost like it's being done intentionally.
Speaker 1: And for many reasons. I mean, people are being paid off,
people are getting rich to do this. I mean that's
come out of Springfield that there are a few names
in Springfield. Yeah, the factory owner, the mayor. The mayor
owns eight rental properties which he's kicked all the white
people out. He only rents to Haitians now, and he
doubled the rent. There's a guy named George ten who
has like an employment agency which is just basically human trafficking.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: He gets he has Haitians bust in from all over
the country. He gets them, play, gets them jobs there,
busts them all over the place. Whenever they get in
the bus to go from wherever, from like home to
work and everything, he charges each one of them twenty
dollars for the ride, and then he takes I've heard
he takes half their paycheck and everything. So there's a
lot of problems because first of all, you know, you
have Alexander Alejandro Majorcas, who is obviously i mean, like
the the modern day caricature of you know, somebody in
seven eleven in seven eleven AD who would have been
opening the gates of Toledo in Spain to and he's
basically busting in and flying in anyone and everyone who
wants to come here, no matter whether they can speak
the language, have money if they're European. I mean, it's
just so you have that which is ideological, then you
have people who are making money off of it. You
have the NGOs, and then you have people on the
local level. I mean basically, if you would need like
somebody an attorney general with the balls to be like, Okay,
I'm filing a reco case and I'm just taking all
you down because this is a criminal enterprise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would also require having government figures in. The
Attorney general does ideologically be in on this whole process
as well. Fortunately not the case for us.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we I guess we shall see. But
it's it seems like really the only the only thing
that anyone can control right now is locally. Is you know,
if you if you have a good sheriff and you
get with your sheriff and you get with people, and
you try to figure out how how to handle this
if it if it comes to you. Because now I
get the idea that it's just going to come for
every everyone, I mean the whole you know, the the
idea that every that everyone who comes here is an
economic boon on on the for the country is you know,
then you have people like matt Mattie Iglesias, who is like, well,
I mean I guess if that's true, then we need
a billion you know, we need a billion Americans.
Speaker 2: People are at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's just everybody's an economic unit and
that's all that's all we are. And if you're an
economic unit, then you can be you're easily replaced by
the next economic unit. And if you run out of
you know, if if they you know, like if they
flood your town with opioids and you get everyone, you
get half the you know, half the white population hooked
and you kill them off or you you basically disable them. Well,
that's just an econo. That's just a loss of an
economic unit, and it's very easily replaced with another economic unit.
And we don't care where that comes from.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you know. Actually, I visited my hometown again recently.
I hadn't been there in many, many years, and I
was very happy to see that it's still nice and
I couldn't still shake off this feeling and how much
longer is this going to last before this place gets
an injection of diversity or something, you know, you know,
just having this worldview, it can be a little bit
taxing sometimes because I don't know, it seems like so
many other people don't even kind of realize the the
conditions being inflicted on us by our elite that are
hostile to us. It's a little bit lonely sometimes, you know,
kind of happy to be around everybody who doesn't even
realize it. But you know, maybe ignorance is bliss. But
that said, I was still very happy to be back
and see the old family members and everything. But so
it's hard to shake off that feeling. It's like, I've
known too many people that experience seeing their hometown get
overrun with foreigners and kind of decline materially. And I'm
glad that that didn't happen to me, but maybe one
day it will, and that kind of upsets me just
a little bit. So I kind of understand. I really
understand the feeling other people that have to see their
homes have, Like these big population transfers like we were seeing,
for example, in Europe at the end of the First
World War, Like it kind of gave me an appreciation
for obviously it's a different situation, but seeing like two
countries swap their populations, I mean, even after these people
have been living in an area for hundreds of years.
It I feel like for me, just the experience of
going back home again, it kind of reminded me, give
me a taste of reality that like these things all
happened in the real world. It's not just something I
read out of the book. It kind of humanized for
me all of these these people that had to go
through this. So I thought it's valuable for me.
Speaker 1: Well, the where I grew up I never live again,
you know, which is which is unfortunate because is I
would say, growing up in a city, and especially in
a big city, it's not so bad if your life,
if you can live a life that's that's peaceful, If
you can live a life where you can prosper, if
that's what you want to do. Unfortunately, that is just
impossible in this country at this point. So if you
want to live have more peaceful life, you're going to
have to leave. And I don't regret it because it's
it was a really good decision, especially considering where you know,
the way things are now. But you know, people really
shouldn't have to do that, and what you mentioned elites there,
and one of the one of the main issue with
ialy eats is is that when you have a system
like we do in the United States, people can come
from anywhere and become elites. And that doesn't mean that
they're going to they're they're going to be a they're
gonna they're going to become American. They're still going to
have they can still have allegiances somewhere else. So if
you have elites that are you know, share a bloodline
with you, and you know, you know place like Iceland
where pretty much at three hundred thousand people and almost
everyone's related to each other in some way, shape or form,
sure your elites may watch out for you. Have a
have a give a better chance of your elites watching
out for you. I still think it's interesting that Iceland
was really the only place that after the two thousand
and eight crash track down their bankers and put them
in jail, you know, because you know, they escaped after that,
and they were like, well, you punish our people, and
you go there now. And I remember going there. I
was there for like two weeks and I never saw
a cop, never saw a police officer like the whole
time I was there. And it's just because it's a homogeneous, homogeneous,
massive people who are not going to kill each other.
I think there was two murders in the last two
years before I got there, and they were both committed
by foreigners and committed by tourists, and you know, we
look at what we have here, you know, and it's
rather difficult. It's rather difficult.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: There was a time in this country where people from
different parts of Europe, they congregated amongst themselves, still considered
themselves to be Americans. But they you know, they had
something in common, and you know, they were just in
a new land and making a new life for them.
And that pretty much all went away after, you know,
after after World War Two, when basically every you know,
the world just dumped every Yeah, the world just started
dumping every other. Countries started dumping everyone they didn't want here.
And people who came here weren't coming here to be
Americans or to join the America. Most weren't coming to
join the American They were coming to get theirs.
Speaker 2: And it reminds me of actually a bit of a
funny story. I used to work in an office and
with a lot of like h one B visa Indians
and they would always talk very fondly of their home country, India.
I would always kind of problems like, so why are
you here? And the answer was always the same money.
These people aren't oppressed, These people aren't like escaping some
horrible divisions. They're just here for money and they would
happily go back home anytime. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean I've never been to India,
and I know people who've been to Indian that they
don't want to go back, like one time's enough for them.
But yeah, it's that's basically what it is. You know,
people talk about how, you know, if you wanted to
end some of the problems with people coming over the
southern border, you would tax remittances and things like that
and tax them heavily, or you know, just make past
get regulations that would make it take away people's companies
for for hiring people who are illegal, things like that.
But yeah, in the end of the at the end
of the day, it's all about will and it's do
people have the will to change? You know, you hear
Trump used the term remigration. You hear JD Events say
you know, a lot of people need to a lot
of people need to go. Hear a lot of people
on the rights saying that is, do they have the
will to do it? Do you have a will to?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you have and all it is is will. You know,
Will is a will is an amazing thing. Just ask
Boo Kelly. You know, Boo Kelly's done something to l
Salvador that no one who knows the history is El Salvador.
And strangely, I do know the history of El Salvador
since like since you know, the early eighteen hundreds, just
because I've studied the banana the Banana Wars and United
Fruit and stuff like that companies like that. But yeah,
I mean, who would have thought that people are like
going on vacation to El Salvador Now Americans are like,
oh yeah, let's go check this out. Yeah, it's still cheap.
Let's go while it's still cheap. And it goes from
the murder capital of you know, the Western Hemisphere to
like the safest country in North America, the safest country
in the America.
Speaker 2: And he's just goes to show you that government power,
like if if people actually want to get something done, wow,
what do you know you can actually do it? Just
because it shows like the what the United States government? Like,
are youably the most powerful entity on earth? Can't control
its or I come on, I know what?
Speaker 1: And the thing I love about Boo Kelly is he's
totally leaning into it. The way he dresses. I mean
he's dressing like a like a fascist. I don't know
that he's a fascist. He sounds pretty you know, he's
into bitcoin and things like that. But he's leaning into it.
He's like, I'm a strong man and I'm going to
do this and I'm going to we are going my
people are going to be safe. Why would you have that?
How can you possibly have that here when all we
are is in an economic zone?
Speaker 2: I think it's hilariou is that a guy making his
country safer is a point of contention. It's just something.
It's just something really weird about that situation, where like
if you took someone from two hundred years ago and
you brought them here today, like trying to explain why
he's controversial and must make no sense whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, God, yeah, it's you know somebody who even just
a caesar or something like that hold, you know, wondering
about what barbarian hordes are coming. And it's like if
he were to be like, well, you know, you don't
even have to come here and conquer, just come on in,
just you know, no one needs to no one needs
to swing sing a swing a sword, you know, just
come on in. I mean, no one. I forget who
was saying it recently, but it were saying, can you imagine,
like for like three or four hundred years ago, like
any king in Europe, any ruler in Europe, being like,
you know what, I'm just gonna replace screwed, screw you guys.
I'm just going to replace the whole population with you know,
we're gonna bring a bunch of a bunch of Northern
Africans in here. We're gonna bring a bunch of wars
in here, and you know they're gonna work. They'd have
your head. Yet look where we are, Look where we are.
Speaker 2: Yea. Revolutions have been fought for far less in.
Speaker 1: History, Kings have lost their heads for for far less.
But you know, we have such it's such a decentralized
you know people, this is something I started saying a
few years ago, was people talk about how centralized the
United States government is. I'm like, it's not. It's decentralized.
Just like where would you even begin to cut?
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. It's like, no, I think conspiracy theories really
flourish here in the West because nobody really knows who's
in charge or what their motivations are. At least if
you're living in I don't know, say El Salvador and
you're not happy, you can point your finger at Naive
bu Kelly is sad. That guy's the reason that all
these problems exist. So if you live in Russia and
you point your finger at Vladimir Putin, at least you
know who's in charge. Here in the West, not so much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's a gigantic corporation and
we have a CEO. But much like many corporations, the
CEO is just a hired hand unless they own, you know,
unless they're the majority stockholder. And you just have all
these employees. I mean, I was when I researched the
that the executive branch has over like three point one
million employees. It's like, well, okay, what do you do
with that? You know, IM, well, you fire three point
you know, three point all, but like five thousand of
them because you don't you don't need it, you know,
the state, you don't need the State Department. The State
Department is like the president on a zoom call, you know,
with a couple talking with a couple of his advisors,
and this is all just a gigantic business and it's
all a way to create you know, It's like they
said that all that affirmative action was was just an
excuse to create a false black middle class in upper
middle class. And like the same thing with like the
music industry and professional sports was to give a fake
black one percent because we're just going to pay them
millions and millions upon millions, and now we can say
we have this, you know, we have this group, and
then we find out that, you know, even they're compromised
in some kind of Jeffrey Epstein way recently, because why not,
Because I mean that's the way we live in Jeffrey
Epstein world right now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can visit pretty much everybody in the
entertainment industry retire as of what raised there as some
sort of p Diddy scandal is waiting to come out,
like you step out of line one time, you make
one little misstep, and all of a sudden, all your
black mile material is out in public.
Speaker 1: Oh politics too, yeah, I mean you have to assume
that pretty much every politician except like Tomas Massey at
this point is you know, in some way it is,
they have something on them. And I had a friend
who was a lobbyist in d C. And he said
the way he made it to d C was he
was just working on a regular Texas on a Texas
campaign for a guy who was running for United States House.
And when the guy won, and he ran on like
a Ron Paul kind of libertarian is kind of thing.
And when he won, he said, you know, do you
want to come to DC and work for me, be
on my staff. And he's like sure, and he said
he went there. He said, within a week the guy
was part of the swamp. He completely forgotten everything. And
he's like, uh, you know, I'll do this just to
get for a little bit longer, to get some experience.
But then you know, you got snapped up by lobbys,
by lobbyists. And then he just basically told me how
all that stuff worked. And it's just like, this is
not this is not. My friend Oliver hates this term.
This is, which is why I like using it. It's
not governance. This is not governance. This is not how
you govern. This is not I like the term rule more.
This is not how you rule. If if there was
a ruler who had my best interests. Even if there
was a ruler who was just basically neutral when it
came to me, like, just didn't really care about my existence,
I'd be perfectly fine with having a ruler. The problem
is is that my existence, and you know, what I
believe and what I advocate for, is completely opposite of
what this regime, what this regime stands for. So what
do you what do you do? You can just only
hope at some point to get get your friends and
get your you know, people get in power who you
share your value, share values with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's one of the reasons I've kind of
been enjoying world events lately. Finally watching the people running
our country have problems overseas, so to speak. Finally someone's
cousing and headaches. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, the things that they do overseas have a
habit of pulling us into them because in more ways
than one, if it's not monetarily then you like Tennessee
right now, Eastern Tennessee is the section my buddy lives
in is flooded. He lives up on a hill. He's
doing fine, but bridges are down, all this everything and
half of the National Guard right now is in Kuwait,
the Tennessee.
Speaker 2: National What are they doing in Kuwait? Geez? Who knows
the National guard is supposed to be national?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know when g when Global War on
Terror started. I have a I have a friend who
was in the who was in the Coastguard. I have
video of he has video he's shared it with me
of him and his coast guard cut him and his
coastguard cutter off the off the coast of Somalia fighting
Somali pirates.
Speaker 2: So I know that. I actually didn't know that the
Coastguard went out that far.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, I didn't. I didn't know our
water is like spread to like East East Africa.
Speaker 2: You know, everywhere's America, don't you know?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, if you're a gigantic commercial zone, that's that's
all that is is here is just you're there are
certain straits there that need to be opened up so
that oil can flow and you know, the commerce can flow.
And that's the main reason they the main reason the
Huthis are even you even know their name right now, Yeah,
because they're able to disrupt commerce and that is the
cardinal sin in an economic zone, which basically the whole
West is now and they want to make trying to
make the Middle East that way and make everywhere that way.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's really crazy seeing, uh, what appeared
to us to be like a ragtag group of scrappy
rebels just shutting down the international trade like that. I
didn't think i'd ever lived to see something quite like it.
Speaker 1: Some of the missiles that they're they're firing now are
very very interesting. I mean, you have hyper they have
hypersonic missiles, and I've a former former CIA guy i know,
said that some of these missiles have been seen like
changing direction in air in mid air. Okay, and and
apparently they're not Russian, So what the heck? You know,
I mean historically, you know, we have to remember the
whole idea that that Arabs are like really low IQ
retards is some propaga, is some propaganda. I mean, these
are some of the like historically some of the smartest
people on the planet, you know, and it seems like
they're they're putting their smartest to good use.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, Well, did jew fears the hypersonic ruth
her In?
Speaker 1: Well that was something yesterday watching that rain down, watching
some of those missiles rain down, and some of the
telegram channels I'm on it was. I was just like, wow,
and they're so and you know, the these bloodthirsty Muslims
who aren't aiming for aren't aiming for civilian.
Speaker 2: Well did you see the CNN reporter crowing about That's like,
oh God, the Masad headquarters is an in densely populated area.
If I ran were to hit it, who knows how
many civilians might die? Like, you guys are really going
to go there after the last year.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if it's been confirmed yet or not,
but I mean I saw one video on telegram that
was claiming to be them combing through the rubble of
Massad headquarters, But I don't know that that's been confirmed yet,
and that would be the last thing that Israel would confirm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't imagine they'd want that getting out. They
really thrive off of having an image of being everywhere
and being invincible and being all knowing, and if that
were to crumble, they look a lot weaker.
Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, this morning I was monitoring their well, starting
last night, I was monitoring their incursions. They're trying to
go over the order and go into southern Lebanon and
they're getting repelled and they're taken cat heavy casualties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't sure exactly what's going on there. I
heard that they got they've basically been turned back, but
I didn't know if that was because they just felt
they were unprepared, or if they were actually getting fired
at and having their tanks destroyed or anything. I'm not
entirely sure what's going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if their tanks are being destroyed,
but I know they were taken. They've taken heavy, not
heavy casualties, but heavy casualties for in proportion to the
size of the forces that they're trying to send them there.
Speaker 2: Well, they've they've been fighting in Gaza for a year.
They are a depleted army. Frankly, they're war tired. I mean,
there's nothing that many people in Israel period to draw
conscripts from. You only have so many soldiers, and they're
all exhausted. As I imagine air power alone. This is.
Speaker 1: Well, how many IDF soldiers are really that idea? I mean,
if you the from what I understand the settler army is,
I mean they're insane. These are actually actually insane people
and very low IQ from what I understand, I mean,
the average IQ in Israel. Most people don't know this
is ninety two because it's because of the Israehi.
Speaker 2: These hyperla people. Yeah, I think they're also more contented,
just quite frankly, like terrorized civilians in the West Bank.
I don't know how effective of the actual idea of
soldiers those guys are. Plus the ultra Orthodox, and I
know all these settlers aren't necessarily altra Orthodox. The ultra
Orthodox already just don't serve anyway. Yeah, yeah, narrows down
their conscription.
Speaker 1: Believe more, it's amazing that there's a lot of there's
a lot of Orthodox Jews that live there that are
not Zionists. They are like rabbit anti Zionists. It's like, okay,
what do you doing? What are you doing there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it's like. Okay, you're gonna complain about
Zionism and then you're gonna enjoy the bets A.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, but it is one of those yeah, true,
but it is one of those things where a lot
of these people were born there. I think, if I'm
not mistaken, Nya, who is the first Prime minister who
was actually born there, even though he went to school
in Philadelphia and went you know, went to high school
in Philadelphia, went to M I T and everything, but
I think he was born there. Yeah, but yeah, I
mean it's a it's it's it's a terrible thing when
you're when you're used to being somewhere, when you've been
somewhere a long time, and it along comes a group
that that seeks to dis to displace you. And yeah,
I can understand winning a war, you know, and going
in and saying, Okay, we're gonna take this land and
we're just gonna kick all these people out and everything,
but then just keeping them hostage so you can use
them as an excuse on the world staged to be like, look,
we have these we try to be nice to these people,
but they're just our enemies. We're doing our best in
our I mean, how scummy. Just what's kind of scum
do you have to be? I mean, I would.
Speaker 2: Treats the Palestinians knee winds. And I'm supposed to be
like a big, bad, you know, pro white person, which
is basically like the medieval equivalent of being a witch
in our in our society, and even I look at them,
and I'm like, jeez, guys, you want to tone it
down a little bit. Guys are cruel beyond measure. I
can't even imagine myself doing this and treating anyone like that.
Speaker 1: Well, there's no reason to, you know, if you get power,
there's no reason. If you have an enemy that's among you,
there's no reason to keep them there. Just get rid
of them. They ship them off. I'm not saying kill
them all. I'm saying gather them up and get rid
of them. It's your land. If it's your land, you
can choose who you want to be there. If you
if you're rolling over this land, you get to choose
who's there. It's just like in your house. If you're
in your house, you get to choose who comes in
your house. If you have a land, you get to
kick them out. If they would have just went in
there in nineteen forty eight and went okay, everyone out,
get the hell out.
Speaker 2: I try a problem with that, Well they tried to. Obviously,
the situation is a little bit more complicated than that.
I am sure that if if the Israelitis could just
kick out all the Palestinians tomorrow, they would, but it's
not as easy as that. Obviously, we're seeing the consequences
of their attitude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean these are these are fierce warriors.
Speaker 2: I mean they they surely become that way out of necessity. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, i mean even back then they had the ones
that they can't get. People are like, oh, well, there
weren't even a lot of those people who were there.
They came from other countries because because the Jews were
coming there. Yeah, listen to what you're saying. These are
people who share a religion and in many cases sharonth knows,
and they're coming to the aid of their friends, and
they're coming to say aids to their friends and family,
and there their brothers and sisters. It's like, wouldn't you
do the same? Oh, but you can't say that because
it's this one protected group that you know, something bad
happened to them once or one hundred and nine times
or you know, two thousand times, and you know, so
you're they have all these excuses. They can do anything
they want.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm watching this, these missiles rain down on Israel yesterday
and I'm waiting for the body count, and I'm like,
I'm not here in a body count yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, they tried to say that like one palace Citian
man with the only victim, Like, yeah, all right, I
don't believe that. There's no way that.
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, there had to have been, but you know,
it seems like a lot of these hits were perse
were pretty precise, and they were concentrating on military intelligence targets.
Speaker 2: I heard that Israel lost something like twenty thirty five.
I mean, who knows that that's true, but that is
what I heard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're they're not claiming Israel hasn't said that yet,
but the but that is what was reported pretty immediately,
pretty immediately. But you know, and just think about what
they did to what they did to kill what's his name,
Marsala from himself? Yeah if if if what what's his name?
On on Judge Napolitano's show, said Alistair Crooks said they
dropped eighty two ton bombs and in an area in
a in a urban area, Okay, I mean basically from
what I've heard from people who know people who you know,
are live in Lebanon, everybody knows someone who died this
past weekend. At least one person who died this last weekend.
Speaker 2: Crazy because what we were seeing now is like effectively
like Bronze Age warfare brought to the modern world, and
it really shocks people's modern sensibilities. I mean, imagine, like
if Iran wanted to assassinate Benjamin and Yahoo and what
they did yesterday, it was like they dropped like a
freaking like eighty ton like bunker buster bomb on his home,
or like he was in a bunker and like he
blew up like two apartment abilities and killed thousands of
people to do it. Like I can't even imagine like
Russia killing like Zelenski like that. I'm sure they could
if they wanted to, Like you know, it's just like
killing like the political leaders of your country like that.
I don't know. I don't even recall stuff like that
happening in World War Two. Necessarily you just go up
the enemy government officials like that and right in the
middle of their city. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's I know that Putin. Putin probably could
have gotten Zelenski many times now. He's just they don't
kill civilians, you know, And people have to remember. I'm
I'm I'm well versed enough in my Middle East politics
to know that Iran has blot. These are Shia. They're
not sunny head shoppers. They're not Wahabis. Okay, they don't.
These aren't suicide bombers. They don't target civilians. They're very political.
They're very political. And I mean the thing about it
with all those with all those hypersonic missiles yesterday, they
could have rained those down into they could have aimed
every single one of them at civilian targets, and they didn't. Yet,
you know, Israel just concentrates on civilian targets. And what
is their excuse every time, well, there was someone hiding
in the basement human shields.
Speaker 2: They blew up. I heard from an era buddy of
the they blew up three UN schools in Gaza yesterday
and killed something like forty plus children, and of course
we don't hear anything about it. And their excuse to
naturally was like, oh, these were pub mosque command centers.
I don't even know why they bought four anymore either.
It's true, Like come on, guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm done with them.
You know, if all of this was happening and they
didn't also occupy my government, I'd be like, eh, you know,
this is pretty screwed up and everything.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a huge issue because these people were
our country is beholden to them. So everybody here in
America who thinks that it doesn't apply to them, like
you do, need to care about this issue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, people are like, well, you know, I
when I was fighting in the Global War on Terror,
I got to see what I got to see what
these Muslims were like on the ground, face to face
them killing my buddies and everything, and I'm like, I
get that. Believe me, I get that. None of them,
none of those control your banking, control, your press, brought
the porn industry to this country, control Hollywood control. Where
are yeah? Where are What have they done to you?
What have they done?
Speaker 2: It's funny that you say that, because it's kind of
ironic that that our military recruiters and in our government
are more than happy for to take advantage of drug
outgroup racism like that, like anti Muslims to them when
they want you to go fight a war in the
Middle East, but as soon as you come home, that's
totally forboding. You can't have any UGroup preference at all,
not all Muslims, etcetera. Etcetera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, anyway, we we we came on here
to talk about a book, and I think we covered it.
You covered it pretty good in like three or four minutes,
and then we basically jumped off, jumped off the theme
of the book.
Speaker 2: Well do think we did. I think a lot of
what we talked about, like thematically relates to the kind
of sentiments that the Italian passions were feeling at the time.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Europeans were feeling well, I
mean the Europeans that were you know that ended up
being on the short end of the Treaty of Versailles. Yeah,
I think that, and you would hope that that sentiment
is growing now because it's pretty much the only thing
that's going to say us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'll do a little a little plug for
the book. Then I have just said, there's nothing new
under the sun. However you're feeling today, there's always there's
somebody in the past who's going through the same thing.
So and I think that with an indoing fume, is
a very good representation of that. And I highly encourage
anyone to.
Speaker 1: Me Yeah, let me just for anybody who's watching it,
watching this video, share it on screen so they can
see what it looks like. You can get it at
Antelope Hill is at anaalop Hill dot com or dot org.
I can't, I can never.
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to come to my library, you would see a lot
of Antelope Hill books. Also, there are some times when
I need to do research, like immediately on a subject
and I just grab a quick ebook off of the
site and uh, you know, throw it and start control
fing and uh go crazy. So yeah, the kind of
things I mean, Spanish Civil War, Germany obviously Germany, Italyish
Union of British Union A, Fascists, Oswald Mosley, I mean
a lot of great stuff there, and you know poetry too,
And yeah, I can't say enough. I think you guys,
you know, are doing a really good job. And I
know that everybody that I'd talked to, you know, they
they appreciate, they appreciate the books they get from there,
especially the books that you guys have been able to
personally like translate out of different languages to put them
into English.
Speaker 2: Mm hm. It's always the real privilege to be the
first publisher to publish something in English, so you get
to break new ground all the time. I'm very honored
to be part of.
Speaker 1: That my thousandth episode, and I cleared it with the
with you guys. Before I did, it was reading, reading
all of the whole Burning Souls and commenting on it.
So yeah, that was that was quite a quite an
up a. So that was quite a five to six
hours of fun.
Speaker 2: I'm really glad you enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh, yeah, that one really speaks to me
because of Yeah, I think de Grell was one of
the most inspiring, inspiring men of the twentieth century. Yeah.
Speaker 2: He lived a very interesting life to say the least. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, my buddy Thomas seven seven seven
doesn't has bad things to say about Franco because of
you know that he wouldn't help He wouldn't help Adolph
in World War two the way the way he was
asked to. But you know he did take he did
harbor and keep safe a lot of guys who otherwise
may have may have met the hangman's noose. And de
Grel was one of them. So yeah, but Sebastian, I
appreciate it, and yeah, thanks, maybe we'll talk again sometime.
Speaker 2: I'd love that. Well, thank you so much for having
me on, Peter. It's been a pleasure.