Speaker 1: We tow Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest. Hell, look,
it is welcome back to another edition of the Pso
I am the Tea and you're te Lo Tom Fitzgerald,
and I'm here with the Low and your Tilo Lorenzo,
because my husband and we are going on an adventure.
Speaker 2: Tight.
Speaker 1: It was my birthday this week and the one thing
I wanted to do was take my man to a
Phillies game. Lorenzo is not into sports all and I'm
not into sports either, but I am a Phillies fan
from way back. You can't be a you can't live
and you can't grow up in Philadelphia and not have
some hometown pride. And over the years, like we never
went to games together because Lorenzo doesn't like to go.
And this year, I said, you know what, it's my
birthday and the Friday after my birthday is Pride Night
at Citizens Bank Park here in Philadelphia, So we're going
to Philly's game. And we had to go out and
get him a special shirt and get him a special
cap so that he was all ready to go tonight.
Speaker 2: I knew, but he is.
Speaker 1: He needs some encouragement. Because Lorenzo was not feeling particularly
excited about this prospect.
Speaker 2: It's fine. I keep telling you it's.
Speaker 1: Not your thing, but I keep telling him, like, yeah,
but you go to these games and it's nothing but
really cute guys to look at all night long. It's
all cute guys getting a little drunk and rowdy, and
you can just sit there and take it, hold in,
neat and eat. We're gonna eat like crazy. My brother
and his husband are season ticket holders and they're going
to be there tonight, so the four of us are
just going to have a little gay time. I met
the Phillies game tonight and they're playing the Mets, and
it should be very.
Speaker 2: It's a big game, right it is. They are both.
Speaker 1: Neck and neck. They're based Actually they're tied as of
last night for the National League game. It's interesting, yes,
very exciting. So we're going to that. Also, we're going
to make our final announcement, our final appeal to come
out to see us in Dallas, Texas next week on Wednesday,
the twenty fifth, we will be at the Bishop's Arts
Theater in o'cliffe to talk about, you know, all of
our trends and queer forebears and how they fought and
created the world that we live in today. If you
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can go to our site Tom Lorenzo dot com pinned
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you will get a pre signed copy of our book.
Can you believe how incredible a deal that is?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Yes, it's Wednesday, June twenty fifth, in Dallas at the
Bishop's Arts Theater. I don't even know what time it's happening,
but it will be in the evening and hope to
see you there. I know we had a zoom meeting
with the organizers earlier this week and people are signing
up and people are coming. So if you want your
free book, you better sign up now.
Speaker 2: It's seven pm, seven pm.
Speaker 1: Thank you. And if you don't sign up, just show up.
I mean, come on, we're going to give you a night.
Speaker 2: It should be fun. It should be funun We're going
to have fun.
Speaker 1: So we'll see you there hopefully. Alrighty, we are going
to I think we're going to keep this a little
short this week.
Speaker 2: Because we always see that and we do well.
Speaker 1: We might not have much of a choice. If you've
been listening to us, then you know there's a saga
of the building. It's much better behind us being built.
And it's also the building that we are semi attached
to on one side is being renovated at the same time.
It's all part of one big project. And they damaged
They pulled the roof off the building next door because
they were raising they were building a roof deck on it,
but there were several weeks where there was no roof
on the building next door and it rained, and all
the hallway outside are loft is all. There's all this
water damage. So on top of the construction going on outside,
there are men literally right outside our door sanding and
scraping and vacuuming up all this dust because they're spackling
all these walls and everything.
Speaker 2: Fun.
Speaker 1: Fun, fun, And I honestly we may have to cut
this short, like with no warning whatsoever, because we literally
sat around all morning like, Okay, I think they're going
to go to lunch. I think they're going to go
to lunch.
Speaker 2: We should be fine, we should be fine.
Speaker 1: We're going to dive into the latest horrifying, horrifying episode
of and just like that, God but before we do that,
guess what time it is? Everyone, It's Lorenzo's tiktoktok.
Speaker 2: I know people were talking about a lot about a
lot of things, interesting things. Anyway, where should we start?
Oh we should start with the light one, very right.
I mean it exploded on the internet because everyone loves
Jonathan Bailey and he was at the footocoal was it photocol? Yes?
Was photocoil London, I believe, wearing flip flops. So everyone
had what uh for the Jurassic uh rebirth? Yeah, so
everyone was dressed up and he was wearing, you know,
flip flops, and so the Internet had some opinions about it,
and I thought it was interesting because it's always like, oh,
he's so key, it doesn't matter, you know, it's always
that's always the approach. But I don't know I would.
And it's funny because sometimes, you know, we put those
posts together and I don't pay attention to every detail,
but sometimes I do. Uh, And I'm like, oh, he's
wearing flip flops.
Speaker 1: And I was like oh, and this erupted on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone was talking about it. Should we should be
people wear flip flops? Should they be yellowed to wear
whatever they want, you know, the same conversation. But it's
always the same. Women have to wear heees, and how
dare them wear anything else? But the man? You know,
it's cute. Oh he's so hot. I don't care, you know, well,
I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know if that actually flies about this whole women,
about whether there's sex and sexism involved in this, because
women wear sandals on the red carpet all the time.
Women are exposing their own.
Speaker 2: Feet, but flip flops is different.
Speaker 1: I understand that, but that to me is not It's
sort of like, well, we're going to get into this.
It's how people will always claim that it's disgusting that
men wear dress shoes without socks, and I'm like, okay,
but women wear dress shoes without socks. Why is it
not considered disgusting when they do it. There's this whole
weird thing. Believe me, nearly two decades of writing about this,
there is a very weird conversation about footwear right between
men and women and what's considered acceptable and what's not,
And none of it actually makes any sense. It's all
based on, you know, ideas about what's appropriate for each gender.
Having said that, I don't think flip flops are correct
for a red carpet because they're so casual. You can
wear flat sandals, and a man can wear flat sandals
on a red carpet, of course he can, but flip flops.
As we wrote it at the time, you can buy
flip flops at a gas station. And I'm sure his
flip flops are expensive, and they're probably leather. They're probably
not rubber salt, they're not habiyanas you know, but so
I'm sure they're very But just the style is considered
very casual and very basic, and if you want to
air your toes out on a red carpet, I think
there are better options than that.
Speaker 2: I know it's a photocol and it felt it felt
when you look at the whole picture, everyone in the picture,
you like, it feel like somebody just told me, you know,
there's a photocol going on right now, right you need
to go. Yeah, And he just left the hotel, you know,
and I don't know, didn't care about what he was wearing.
I don't know. I find it a little strange. Phet flops. Yeah,
I don't know. There's this whole thing people living in
the city. I see this conversation a lot about people
wearing flip flops in the city, and flip flops should
only be for the beach. You know, you should wear
flip flubs in the city on the sidewalks because it's dirty.
Blah blah blah. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's a different question. But yeah, in terms of of
whether it's formal enough for something like a photocol or
a red carpet, I don't think so. I don't think
it's appropriate.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's appropriate. And again, it's just.
Speaker 1: A very casual design and it's it implies a certain
level of right.
Speaker 2: I noticed with this whole so far, because we don't
know so far, with this whole promoting the movie, he's
very casual, more than usual because he usually he tends
to wear something interesting and I don't know, a little
more formal, more put together. So far, his looks have
been very like, kind of a dude look. I don't care.
I don't know if it's a new approach with his stylist.
Speaker 1: Well, no, actually, I think what he's doing is he's
dressing up as characters from Jurassic Park.
Speaker 2: I guess so people mentioned that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's doing like a Sam Neil stuff and he's
doing like Jeff Goldbloom.
Speaker 2: So whatever, I.
Speaker 1: Don't like this sort of theme dressing, but whatever, that
doesn't bothers me less than flip flops on the red carpet.
Speaker 2: Right anyway, So that's that about the flip flop. But anyway,
it boils down to, oh, he's so cute, I don't care,
you know, compensation anyway. The next topic is also on
TikTok a lot is about also more inspector the Gilded
Age star anyway, because he was feature in Juq magazine
and he gave an interview about lots of things, but
he also mentioned about bottoming, uh, And the whole conversation
was apparently, you know, the whole it was all about
him saying that he he feels like he's creatively that
he's bottom because he collects all these information from people.
He likes to collecting, you know, somebody else's ideas and
learning a little language and paying attention to what people
see and so he gathered all that, uh, and so
he feels like he creatively that he's being at bottom.
And then got into a conversation about you know, straight
guys can't bottom, you know. The whole thing about dominance
and submission and had all sexual relationships and this whole thing.
And then it exploded, of course, because you know he's
talking about straight men bottoming. So anyway, I just thought
it was interesting. I don't know, I find it interesting.
And again another guy, handsome guy who apparently is very
open about everything. But I don't know, are these people
really I mean, listen, I love the guy. I think
he's a great actor. He's stunny, he's very very handsome,
and he's an interesting guy. Based on the interviews I've
I've watched and read, he's he's an interesting guy and
kind of an intellectual guy. So I don't know if
this whole approach is I don't know. I feel like
these days Darren Chris is another example, like, oh I
feel gay, I feel queer, you know, like, I don't
know are these people oh?
Speaker 1: I was kinda asked because I'm like, what is the
issue here?
Speaker 2: Well, the issue that people feel is that, you know,
it's a little bit of a queer baiting here. You
know that these people are yes, they're open, they're actors there,
but at the same time, like I don't know, trying
to be queer.
Speaker 1: Or yeah, I mean, I don't know, but I think
the issue with Darren Chris always was that he maintained
his heterosexuality while I mean, he states it outright that
he's straight, that he's not queer, right, but that he's
culturally queer, And I think that's kind of bullshit. Morg inspector.
I don't know that he's one hundred percent straight, like
I don't. He has not come out and said that
the way Darren Chris did, and I wouldn't make that
assumption first off, based on how we act, like, I'm
not one hundred percent sure that guy's fully strong. I mean,
I know he's married to a woman, but bisexuality exists, right,
And so I'm not willing to uh criticize him for
using queer language because for all I know, he is
a queer man. I don't know Otherwise, someone like Darren
Chris uses queer aesthetics and queer language while maintaining his heterosexuality,
And for me, that's that's problematic morganspector. Talking about bottoming.
You know, he's a New York theater actor and he
looks like that. I'm just gonna say it. The idea
that he hasn't had any experiences with men, probably doesn't
fly with me. I just would find that a little
hard to believe. I'm not making accusations here, I'm just saying, like,
I don't think that guy's one hundred percent straight, and
as such, I think he's perfectly fine making this sort
of commentary. It doesn't bother me to hear it. It's
when when celebrity guys are taking on all of the
trappings of queerness while maintaining their own heterosexuality, that to
me is problematic.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. It's just interesting that you see
more and more guys talking openly about things like that,
you know, queerness, and I don't know. But at the
same time, I don't know if he feels like a
little force, a little promo like you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he knows, he knows what he looks like,
and he knows that the Gilded Age probably has a
lot of gay male fans. And I am sure that
he he has received an awful lot of attention from
gay men because of the way that he looks. So yeah,
there's a certain amount of of you know, condescension. You
could look at it in a certain way, like but
I just don't get that off this guy, mainly because
I mean, have you seen the way he dresses. Yeah,
I know, and that's not a put on, that's not
him trying to be an ally or whatever. That's the
way he likes to dress. He dresses in these very
sort of wild, somewhat queer tinged clothing styles.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean you could say the same thing
about Bad Bunny, like the way he dresses, and well,
bad you know another example of street guy.
Speaker 1: I guess he's yeah, but he doesn't he doesn't play around.
I mean, he doesn't make little comments about being queer
or anything like that. I mean, he's clearly right.
Speaker 2: But every editoria he's wearing something, you know.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't feel like right now to me.
Speaker 2: No, But I'm just saying that it's you see more
and more so called straight guys, you know, be open
about this.
Speaker 1: But it's fine by me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine by me. But at the same time,
it's like, you know it I understand having a conversation
about you know, these guys really open or you know,
in terms of acceptance or just using queerness to you know,
promote something anyway. That's that was the conversation and the all.
Speaker 1: Right, let's take a short break and we'll come back
with more TikTok stuff. Yep, we're back, and Lorenzo has
one more TikTok time story for you. Lorenzo, go, well.
Speaker 2: Now this one it was all over the internet, but
also TikTok a lot. It's the new show by Ryan Murphy,
The American Love Story, So, which is about Carolyne Bassett
and Kennedy and j F. Kennedy Junior. It's about their
love story and whatever happened. We don't really know. As
far as I know, we don't really know what Ryan
Murphy is covering. I guess they're covering all the way
to the end when they died.
Speaker 1: I would imagine, Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be allacious
and have no and be of questionable taste.
Speaker 2: So Ryan Murphy Production posted what he calls now test
shots out on Instagram, and it exploded because people saw
a picture of the two actors who are going to
play the two people. I think it's what their name,
I can't remember, Sarah A pigeon And what the other
guy's name I can't remember right now. I remember lated anyway,
So people were immediately people were looking at them and
complaining that they don't look like like, you know, the
real people, and that it was very funny because the
hair colorist talked about the hair, that the hair wasn't right.
And then people were complaining about the clothes that it's
very hard to you know, come up with the clothes
she wore, and I don't know fashion people were complaining
about anyway. So they were all complaining about everything, and
finally Ryan Murphy came out with the statement say, there
was a mistake to put to put these test images
out because people were, you know, complaining about something that
they don't even know yet and and you know they
don't actually gonna look like that. I don't know how
not anyway, So it's this whole thing. It's it's very
interesting that people are already hating the show and questioning
the show, you know, way ahead of time more often
than you know, more it's kind of I mean, they
people always complain about these shows, but this one, I
don't know, apparently has triggered everyone and they're all talking
about it on TikTok and and fashion sites and everything.
I guess because of her, because she was kind of
a fashion icon, right, people people feel a little. I
don't know, but I just thought it was interesting. I
don't know, I find the whole thing grows. And then
JFK junior nephew Jack Schlossenberg Schlossberg, he put out a
bit of a drama queen or himself, right, So he
put out a statement on an Instagram, I believe, complaining
about the show, calling the show grotesque and and that
you know that it's it's outrageous that they're doing a
show about those two, and then that they I hope
they take the whole situation or whatever happened seriously. And
then he complained that you know, the show never contacted them,
never asked for their peru, but they don't have to
as a show.
Speaker 1: Now, I mean, go ahead, Yeah, this this always comes
up in biopics and that sort of thing about whether
or not the family or friends approve of it, and
that's never I don't think that's a consideration. I don't
think it has to be a consideration. Now, having said that,
the freaking Kennedy family has every right to be like,
could you please stop making movies about us? And uh, personally,
I just the idea of moving on to the next
generation and we're now we're going to start doing movies
about these losers, like we've got the fucking RFK Junior
in the White House destroying public health. The fascination with
this family needs to die.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's an interesting take.
Speaker 1: It needs to die. These people are not interesting. They
were slightly interesting sixty years ago, but they're not interesting anymore.
They are a tawdry family with a bunch of fucked
up people in it, and the fact that they're wealthy
doesn't make them interesting. I'm sorry, I am ranting, but
I can't stand the fascination with the Kennedys. I just can't.
They're not interesting people, and the entire cottage industry that
sprung up in the last fifty years, of telling these
salacious stories about them over and over and over again,
has only elevated their them beyond any sense of you know,
we shouldn't be this fascinated with this one friggin family.
But the only reason we're fascinated with them is because
we keep making movies about them. It's not like they
have done anything interesting as a family in fifty years. Well,
especially him, I mean well, I mean I get it,
and I'm actually surprised it's taken this long for someone
to make a movie about these two because they were glamorous,
they were gorgeous, they were very glamorous. We're just stylish
people who died terribly and died young. So I mean,
I get it, I get it. But there's also a
lot about that marriage that is a little salacious and tacky.
There were problems throughout that marriage. There were drug issues
and that sort of thing. So I don't know. I
just and you know, Ryan Murphy has just made a
career out of He just keeps getting sleezier and sleezier
in his old age, and I just I find him
so embarrassing as a as a gay male creator.
Speaker 2: I know, it feels very much like a cliche. Whatever
he picks for his shows, you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Just sleazy, cleazy, pleazy.
Speaker 2: So he came out and said he's going to donate
some money into what app I know some of the
prophets blah blah blah, and it's just I don't know,
this is going to be another one that people will
be talking about and hating it and watching it at
the same time. Like everyone of whose shows, right, they're terrible,
They're terrible, they're terrible and they're terrible ideas, and it's
very again, it feels like a very old gay cliche of.
Speaker 1: That's what I find embarrassing about him. It's like, boy,
you were just every cliche about gay men.
Speaker 2: Old gay man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just gossip and and and it's icons.
Speaker 2: It's these people that you admire and and then you're
going to make shows about them. You know. It's just
I don't know, it feels weird. Yeah, I I don't know.
I honestly I don't see the need for a show
about these two, but I guess.
Speaker 1: And I don't see. I don't see an audience for it.
Is there some you know, are young people really all
that interested? They died twenty what thirty years ago? They
even know she is, you know, exactly Like they're so
like gen X icons. They're not really like millennials and
gen Z don't care about them. They've been dead most
of their lives. So I don't get the point of it.
But you know, I hate most of what Ryan Murphy
puts out, and he gets an audience every single time.
Speaker 2: So because he's smart about getting Kardashian a Kardashian you know, yeah,
to be on his show, and so people watch that's
why people watch it. Yeah, it's not because it's quality.
Uh you know television.
Speaker 1: Agreed, are we?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's done with that.
Speaker 2: That's it for the TikTok conversation.
Speaker 1: That's it for Lorenzo's TikTok time. And we'll we're gonna
take a short break and then we're gonna come back
and rip Carrie Bradshaw to shred. Oh my god, we'll
be right back. We're back. And I just need you
to know that at the end of last night's episode
of Been Just like that, Lorenzo turned to me and said,
I fucking hate this show.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I said, it's official.
Speaker 1: I hate this show anyway, I strongly dislike this show.
I hate this show too.
Speaker 2: What am I?
Speaker 1: Why am I trying next? Sugarcoated? It's bad? And this episode,
I mean every episode at least once I turned to
you when I go, this is not interesting. Like long
conversations about stupid shit that just is not interesting.
Speaker 2: The fact that there are so many interviews out there
with Sarah Jessica Parker. She is so defensive and now
yes and Cyti Nicks and no, actually I just saw
an interview They're all talking about their characters and defending
their characters because they know people.
Speaker 1: First off, one of the main problems with the show
is that the actresses all came back as executive producers,
and they all came back with ideas about their characters.
And what happened is they turned Miranda gay because Cynthia
Nixon is gay exactly. And then they made Carrie Mike. Oh,
she's got a cat and she's very worried about teenagers now,
and I'm like, yeah, that's not who Carrie Bradshaw is.
Speaker 2: I know, that is not who she is.
Speaker 1: That's who Sarah Jessica Parker is because she has kids
that age.
Speaker 2: I just saw an interview I can't remember where with
Cydia Nickson and maybe I posted in the lounge anyway,
it was her basically saying that they were talking about
the person interviewing asked about the material, and she said, well,
you know, they know us so well by now, you
know the creators of the show and the writers that
you know, they know what we want, they know what
we like. So so this is pretty much just a
job for these people. It is. It is just to
keep these people employed.
Speaker 1: And they just like there's no understanding of their characters.
I'll just point this out. It didn't occur to me
until after the episode was over. Well, I mean, I
think it was like this morning, I was thinking about it.
There was an entire storyline devoted to Charlotte Harry not
being able to get it up, I know. And it
was this cute little scene where she told him it
was fine and we're getting older and things are changing.
And never once was it mentioned that there was an
entire arc for Charlotte that lasted two whole seasons about
her first marriage failing because her husband was impotent. Right,
How can you not even bring that up? How can
you not acknowledge, like if the point of that scene,
and I don't think that I was gonna say, the
point of that scene was to show that Charlotte has
grown and this thing that bothered her so much two
decades ago doesn't bother her anymore, because that's what happens
as you grow. But that's not what that scene was.
That scene completely You can tell no one in the
writing of that scene ever thought, oh wait, her first marriage.
This was a huge issue in her first marriage. Why
wouldn't they Why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you use that moment.
Why wouldn't she say, you know, there was a time
in my life where this would have mattered to me
or blah blah blah. I mean he was her divorce attorney,
so he knows exactly what the problems were in her
first Why why would you even write this scene and
not have these characters unpack it.
Speaker 2: Because there's no growth, no pun intended. These people that
do not these characters do not develop, they don't follow anything.
Speaker 1: There's no continent. So yeah, like that would have been
a great example where you could have had a slightly
humorous scene and then have them unpack it about aging
and how your priorities. But that's not it because they
don't freaking think at all, and.
Speaker 2: All the men are all the men, all the male
characters are like falling apart with age, you know, and they're.
Speaker 1: Just like, I know, it's actually a little yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean there's borderline. It's borderline offensive. And the gay
one is a sleazy whore so like back in the
eighties or gay whore. I mean, it's just like everything
is a cliche. Everything is a cliche, and and people
I actually saw I wasn't gonna mention because I don't
know if I kind of agree, but I guess I do.
Now several articles mentioning that it's not Miranda anymore, it's
into Nixon's life. Now, that's just it. I mean.
Speaker 1: Again, Miranda actually went through several moments in the original
series where her sexuality was questioned and she came out
on the side of heterosexuality. And it was very clear
throughout Miranda's whole single years she loved getting laid, she
loved having sex with men.
Speaker 2: So remember the scene at the game, the Firm's game
or whatever.
Speaker 1: That that's the one I'm talking about. They thought she
was a lesbian. She kissed that girl, and she's like,
I'm definitely not a lesbian. Now that is not right.
You can tell a story here about a woman reaching
late middle age and having a realization about herself, but
that's not what happened. She met Chay and that was it.
I mean, suddenly she was off men completely, and we
were supposed to believe that she was never into men
to begin with. And I'm like, yeah, but that's not
the character. I am not arguing against making Miranda queer,
but Miranda as she was written would have to be
written bisexual because she really liked Dick back in the day.
Speaker 2: She never mentions her husbandmember. What happened to me is
he did? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean they just mishandled her so so badly. I
think she could have had a late midlife awakening to
realizing that she is attracted to women, and they could
have her navigating that as a bisexual woman and you know,
approaching sixty. But no, she's full blown all chicks all
the time. And I'm like, yeah, this has nothing to
do with the woman that we used to watch Looking
for Boyfriend. I get it. I listen, I have been
in the closet.
Speaker 2: I get that.
Speaker 1: When you're in the closet, you put on a front
and you try it. But that wasn't what Miranda was
doing all those years on the show. She was a
woman who was into men, very very much so, and
there was a way to do that storyline that would
have been intelligent and thought provoking and would have felt
like a continuation of Miranda's journey. But now I'm looking
at this character and I'm like, Okay, you're just a
different You're just different, You're someone else. Uh, I don't know.
I ironically Miranda's storyline is the one I have the
least problem with, although because first off, she's not making
an ass out of herself.
Speaker 2: Not anymore.
Speaker 1: She is doing what they all do, which is like
pining after people that she wants to like her so badly,
and it just looks bad on a woman that age
to be acting that way. But okay, you're newly out,
you're newly queer, you're trying to figure it out, right,
all of that actually kind of works. But the thing
about this whole and I like the British woman, They
actually have some nice chemistry together.
Speaker 2: She's just a great actor, the British one.
Speaker 1: And she fits like That's the thing. The first couple
of seasons of this show, they kept shoving people in
and I'm like, no, this doesn't fit, Like Jay just
doesn't fit in this world. They're not part of that world.
And Carrie's young podcasting friends like, no, I'm sorry, Carrie
would not be friends with these people, let alone inviting
them to her apartment. They kept shoving people in that
didn't fit. And now they're at a point with like
Seema and Lisa, those characters actually fit. They feel like
a friend group. That makes sense. This gay British woman
actually does I like where this is going. But here's
the thing. They introduced that character at the end of
last season, the gay British woman. Why is it taking
like four episodes from Miranda to ask her out? Why
did we spend time with Rosie O'Donnell. You introduced a
potential love interest, and then I don't know what was
there some I don't know. I don't understand why they
waited so long for them to kiss or for them
to actually ask each other out. Similarly, at the end
of last season, Aiden makes this big announcement like, oh,
we have to pause because of my children and problems
and we're gonna have to wait five years, and then
right right from the jump from the beginning of the season, well,
oh no, never mind, we're not going to do that.
And then four episodes later they come, so we're back
to where we were at the end of last season. Well,
all of this feels like just spinning wheels, wasting time.
Speaker 2: Actually even worse because it feels like Carrie is just
justerately trying to do whatever she can to hold on
to him.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna let yeah, we're putting Carrie on the
back burner because we know that's going to take most
of our time. I'm trying to cycle through everything. So
Charlotte's whole I don't get what. They don't seem to
have any idea what to do with Charlotte, And like
that scene is a perfect example. You could have done
something with that. We went on that journey with Charlotte.
We know how hard it was for her to be
in a marriage with a man who couldn't get it
up for her. This would have been a great moment
and instead it was like ha haa a little joky.
Everything with that family, everything in that apartment is just
very light and never amounts to anything. And have you
noticed that the non binary child is now wearing makeup
and they never refer to that child being non binary anymore.
They still call them rock. But I don't know what
the deal is.
Speaker 2: She's just too busy with bananas now and going now.
Speaker 1: Oh, the other daughter has a boyfriend, but he's he's polly, polysexual, polyamorous.
Speaker 2: Whatever the creators are. The writers are trying so.
Speaker 1: Hard embarrassing because it's like, oh, these young people with
their non binary and their polyculs a little it just
makes you all sound really old and dumb, and why
couldn't she just have a boyfriend? Like why when?
Speaker 2: Okay, whatever, because they have to be inclusive.
Speaker 1: They have to be inclusive and it's a new world
and it's whatever.
Speaker 2: That way they can address all the you know, criticism
that they're.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what it is. The whole the whole theory
is them being defensive about all the criticisms of the
first series. So Charlotte lives in like Queer Polycules Central
or whatever. For whatever reason, she just needs to be
surrounded by these people. And I actually think it's weird
that Anthony comes for dinner every night with his boyfriend.
That's kind of weird. Do you not have a life,
Do you not have a place to live?
Speaker 2: I know, it's just weird.
Speaker 1: Miranda fine perfectly okay with her seema. There's no storyline there.
They're still dragging this thing out about her starting her
own company.
Speaker 2: I still remember the first episode how strong this woman was,
so how accomplished and all that, and now she's just
like nothing.
Speaker 1: There's not like three minutes and it's just a continuational
last week where it's like, okay, go start your own Lisa.
Speaker 2: How many episodes about this damn documentary. Man, it's just
like a complications with the documentary, that's all.
Speaker 1: I don't mind that. I mean, being a documentary filmmaker,
there's a lot of interesting things that you could do.
But she's talking in her sleep an entire episode about yes, Yes.
And then there's this thing where they just randomly shove
hot eyes at these women. They just throw hot guys
at these women wear.
Speaker 2: It's a gardener.
Speaker 1: And now this guy like, oh, is her marriage in trouble?
And I mean, I guess if that's what you want
to do, But I don't know what would make a
more interesting storyline for Lisa. But whether she's going to
cheat on her very supportive husband doesn't sound very feeling
to me. So distractions, distractions like there's no storyline here,
Lisa's talking in her sleep, Charlotte's husband can't get it up,
like that's it. That's it, and there's no further exploration,
like here's the thing much like Charlotte's storyline where they
could have taken it somewhere. I thought she was going
to say something about the hot guy in her sleep.
I thought that was the right that would have been
a storyline who's this guy's name that you're calling out
in your sleep kind of thing? But nothing ever goes anywhere.
There's no dramatic tension, there's no nothing. It's just little
vignettes with people, and then we move on to the
next vignette.
Speaker 2: And every now and then they say something. It's more
that could that could could have been explored, you know,
a little more like when her husband says, well, he's black,
isn't he. Okay, Well, that's enough about the the guy
that she wants to hire, which has a line there about,
you know, like people the whole thing about okay, because
he's black, then people are gonna accept that situation better
than well, they're not going to unpack I know, but
stuff like that that would be a lot more interesting
to explore than some silliness about you know, she can't
sleep or whatever and talk. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So all of that, I mean, all of those characters
dumb storyline right, and have no consequence that go nowhere.
Oh oh, we didn't even get into random being a meme.
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, this is what I mean.
Speaker 1: It feels like old people writing, and which is weird
because last week I said it felt like young people
trying to write older people. I have to go look
up the ages of everyone on this writing staff, because
sometimes they all sound like eight year olds, and sometimes
they all sound like.
Speaker 2: They're from Sex and the City.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was a different writing No, no.
Speaker 2: She in the latest interview I read, Cintia mentioned that
they're they're from Sex and the City. The two creators
at least two right now, I know, I'm sorry, two writers.
I'm sorry, two writers. At least two writers are from
the old shoe.
Speaker 1: All right, So Carrie storyline, Oh yeah, okay, she's ill
equipped as a character to deal with a storyline like this.
As it was unfolding, I thought, well, this isn't terrible, right,
It's a true family drama. There's real stakes here. There
are various you know, interpersonal relationships, you know, intersecting what
you know with the the you know, aiden and his
ex wife there at that you know, they don't agree
on a proper course of treatment. The boys are not
getting along, that the two older brothers are not actually
all that supportive of the younger brother who is, yes
and asshole but also clearly dealing with some mental health issues.
And then there's the whites boyfriend who's kind of weird
and creepy and and and just the whole family vibe
is way off. And that's kind of interesting, you know,
It's it's real drama. It's it feels like there are stakes.
But the whole time I was like this, this is
not where Carrie Bradshaw should be. It's that character was
not created to be in the middle of these like
domestic dramas about teenagers and adderall and substance. That's just
not who she is.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing about creating something based on the
on on how characters would react, as opposed to creating situa,
so that you can tell a certain story you know
that has nothing you know, and and the characters would
not behave that way at all. Like Carrie would have
asked Aiden about the pills, he would have mentioned it
to him. She would have mentioned it to him like say,
you know, your wife is asking me for this? Is
that okay? We do?
Speaker 1: I mean exactly, yeah, you exactly, and then telligent adult acts.
Speaker 2: But I just, by the way, I just got a
text from your wife and she was asking for you know,
I just want to run that by you, not not
not necessarily asking permission, but just so you were you know,
in the compensation. Now she go ahead.
Speaker 1: And then the fact that the wife even did that,
like why would you put your your ex husband's girlfriend
on the on the hook like that. It's kind of
a shitty thing for her to deal.
Speaker 2: And how often does this woman call Carrie? You know,
like I don't Yeah, again I thought, why is she
calling Carrie? Does she call Carry often? Or text Carry?
You know what I mean? It's the whole thing is weird.
It That's what these writers do. They create these situations. Okay,
we're just going to present because we feel like we
need to it, you know, talk about this or explore this,
so it doesn't matter if the characters are you know,
would react that way or or even do whatever they
make them do.
Speaker 1: And then I mean, this is what I mean about
Carrie being I don't know if they try and write
her this way or but like she finds out that
in the middle of this party that is already incredibly
tense and weird that you know, Aiden and his wife
do not agree on adderall. So she decides to confront
Aiden about this in the middle of this party, and
he says, Carrie, not now, not tonight, and every once
in a while, I'm like, do the writers understand that
they're making her look like an asshole right now? Or
do they just not see that? Because when when she
gives interviews Sarah Jessica Parker, she talks about Carrie like, oh, no,
she's people are so unfair to Carrie. No, actually, Carrie's
kind of an asshole. Like how do you nut see
all the time?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of the point of the character.
But it was the point. But at certain at some
point you age, Yeah, you go through life with you know,
you experience things. I mean, you can't be the same.
You just can't react like you reacted thirty years ago.
Speaker 1: I get that, and I agree with that, but I
also think there are limits to what you can how
you can expect these character and characters to act. And
Carrie like on a tractor.
Speaker 2: And oh I know all of that, all of that,
I'm like, that's not who she is.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand why you're trying to make her.
You're trying to make her into Sarah Jessica Parker. And
that's the problem. You tried to make Miranda into Cynthia Nixon.
Well that's what and now you're trying to turn Carrie.
And Carrie was shallow, Carrie smoked, Carrie was inappropriate. Carrie
didn't like children, right, didn't like family drama, you know,
like that's the person we all fell in love with
twenty five years ago. And yes, I get that life
is different and you change and this and that and
the other thing. But of course the show I was
not interested in that because, like I said, that whole Charlotte,
they could have done a whole scene about Charlotte unpacking
how she's changed. I just don't buy her going in Oh.
And that's the other thing. The show tries to do
this stuff where ooh carries in Virginia like some base,
scary thing and she goes to that dress shop and
she's been real snotty about the dresses, and I'm like, okay,
I just saw you in where was she Battery Park
wearing that big fucking hat in that and that ugly
dress a couple episodes ago, Like yeah, and like the
dresses that she was wearing and like making fun of them,
like how is that any different from the ship to
Wear in New York?
Speaker 2: And you tell me they don't have other stores in
the city.
Speaker 1: Come you can't buy a pair of shorts or something
like that.
Speaker 2: She has to buy it. You don't full blown dress
a gap or something. Come on.
Speaker 1: Everything about it was just silly and it never went anywhere.
And then at the end of it all I even
said to you, I was like, oh, well, while this
was all unfolding, tab almost knocked my microphone over or
a twenty pound cat. While this was all unfolding, the
arguments and everything, the kid breaking the window and all that,
I turned to you and I was like, oh, I
guess they're breaking them up, like that's what's going And
then of course no, they're not broken up. Actually, if
at the end of the episode Carrie had said, listen,
I love you, but this is not we can't. You
need to be here and I need to go back
to New York, but instead it was I love you,
you can't, but we're still together.
Speaker 2: Here's my key, and here's my key.
Speaker 1: You gave him a key after that night together. Like
where it was, there were so many red flags that
you can't even see past all the red flags, and
I had to say, I don't again. I don't know
how aware the writers are about how some of these
characters are coming across, but Aiden is coming across so
really bad, like really bad. Yes, every husband, not a
particularly good father, not a particularly good boyfriend, like just
being an asshole.
Speaker 2: To everybody, not really thinking about anything.
Speaker 1: Just again, that could have been interesting where Carrie sees
a side of him and she's like, I can't I
can't be with this person. He's got too many, you know,
too much shit going on. But no, she hands him
a key after.
Speaker 2: That night, like what, go write your book.
Speaker 1: Go write your dumb ass book, because every time they
quote it, I'm like, this sounds horrible. This makes Bridgeton
sound like pride and prejudice. Oh my god, Yeah, go
write your shitty book, in your in your Grammarcy part whatever.
I wish I liked these characters, but I don't. And
I used to love them, but they they aren't the
people that they were twenty five years ago. And they
did not turn them into more interesting people. They turned
them into lessons.
Speaker 2: I think I think Santhia said it all when she said,
you know, the writers know as well by now, and
you know they give us what we feel comfortable with.
That's pretty much. And so that's there's Yeah, it's not
about the characters anymore. Is about keeping these ladies employed,
and it is.
Speaker 1: It's about keeping them employed. Yeah, we're going to finish
this season out, but.
Speaker 2: We've done it.
Speaker 1: I don't even think we could do. You know, Sassy
Little podcast recaps. It's just bad television. It's badly written
and I don't even think it's all that well acted.
Speaker 2: And they're gonna keep going. I mean, of course, I have.
Speaker 1: A feeling the wheels are coming off. I feel like
the rhetoric surrounding this show is now. I mean, in
the first couple of seasons, it was always like, oh,
it's so bad that it's kind of entertaining, and now
it's it just seems like everyone's realizing it's just not
a good show.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I think that's it for this week. We got to
go get ready for the Phillas games, and we'll be
back next week. Oh, we'll be in Dallas on Wednesday,
which means we probably might not get a podcast. We'll say,
we'll see, but we'll be back soon with whatever cross
the rise acrosses our desk. Until then, take care of yourselves,
love you mean it.
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