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Speaker 1: We tow Lorenzo and this is the Pop Style Opinion Fest. Hell, look,

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it is welcome back to another edition of the Pso

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I am the Tea and you're te Lo Tom Fitzgerald,

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and I'm here with the Low and your Tilo Lorenzo,

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because my husband and we are going on an adventure.

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Speaker 2: Tight.

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Speaker 1: It was my birthday this week and the one thing

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I wanted to do was take my man to a

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Phillies game. Lorenzo is not into sports all and I'm

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not into sports either, but I am a Phillies fan

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from way back. You can't be a you can't live

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and you can't grow up in Philadelphia and not have

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some hometown pride. And over the years, like we never

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went to games together because Lorenzo doesn't like to go.

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And this year, I said, you know what, it's my

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birthday and the Friday after my birthday is Pride Night

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at Citizens Bank Park here in Philadelphia, So we're going

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to Philly's game. And we had to go out and

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get him a special shirt and get him a special

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cap so that he was all ready to go tonight.

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Speaker 2: I knew, but he is.

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Speaker 1: He needs some encouragement. Because Lorenzo was not feeling particularly

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excited about this prospect.

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Speaker 2: It's fine. I keep telling you it's.

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Speaker 1: Not your thing, but I keep telling him, like, yeah,

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but you go to these games and it's nothing but

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really cute guys to look at all night long. It's

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all cute guys getting a little drunk and rowdy, and

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you can just sit there and take it, hold in,

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neat and eat. We're gonna eat like crazy. My brother

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and his husband are season ticket holders and they're going

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to be there tonight, so the four of us are

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just going to have a little gay time. I met

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the Phillies game tonight and they're playing the Mets, and

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it should be very.

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Speaker 2: It's a big game, right it is. They are both.

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Speaker 1: Neck and neck. They're based Actually they're tied as of

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last night for the National League game. It's interesting, yes,

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very exciting. So we're going to that. Also, we're going

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to make our final announcement, our final appeal to come

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out to see us in Dallas, Texas next week on Wednesday,

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the twenty fifth, we will be at the Bishop's Arts

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Theater in o'cliffe to talk about, you know, all of

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our trends and queer forebears and how they fought and

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created the world that we live in today. If you

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sign up now, if you sign up early, and you

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can go to our site Tom Lorenzo dot com pinned

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on the front pages all the information about where you

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need to go, and if you sign up ahead of time,

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you will get a pre signed copy of our book.

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Can you believe how incredible a deal that is?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's Wednesday, June twenty fifth, in Dallas at the

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Bishop's Arts Theater. I don't even know what time it's happening,

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but it will be in the evening and hope to

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see you there. I know we had a zoom meeting

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with the organizers earlier this week and people are signing

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up and people are coming. So if you want your

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free book, you better sign up now.

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Speaker 2: It's seven pm, seven pm.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. And if you don't sign up, just show up.

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I mean, come on, we're going to give you a night.

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Speaker 2: It should be fun. It should be funun We're going

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to have fun.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see you there hopefully. Alrighty, we are going

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to I think we're going to keep this a little

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short this week.

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Speaker 2: Because we always see that and we do well.

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Speaker 1: We might not have much of a choice. If you've

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been listening to us, then you know there's a saga

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of the building. It's much better behind us being built.

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And it's also the building that we are semi attached

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to on one side is being renovated at the same time.

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It's all part of one big project. And they damaged

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They pulled the roof off the building next door because

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they were raising they were building a roof deck on it,

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but there were several weeks where there was no roof

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on the building next door and it rained, and all

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the hallway outside are loft is all. There's all this

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water damage. So on top of the construction going on outside,

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there are men literally right outside our door sanding and

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scraping and vacuuming up all this dust because they're spackling

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all these walls and everything.

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Speaker 2: Fun.

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Speaker 1: Fun, fun, And I honestly we may have to cut

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this short, like with no warning whatsoever, because we literally

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sat around all morning like, Okay, I think they're going

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to go to lunch. I think they're going to go

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to lunch.

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Speaker 2: We should be fine, we should be fine.

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Speaker 1: We're going to dive into the latest horrifying, horrifying episode

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of and just like that, God but before we do that,

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guess what time it is? Everyone, It's Lorenzo's tiktoktok.

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Speaker 2: I know people were talking about a lot about a

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lot of things, interesting things. Anyway, where should we start?

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Oh we should start with the light one, very right.

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I mean it exploded on the internet because everyone loves

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Jonathan Bailey and he was at the footocoal was it photocol? Yes?

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Was photocoil London, I believe, wearing flip flops. So everyone

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had what uh for the Jurassic uh rebirth? Yeah, so

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everyone was dressed up and he was wearing, you know,

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flip flops, and so the Internet had some opinions about it,

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and I thought it was interesting because it's always like, oh,

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he's so key, it doesn't matter, you know, it's always

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that's always the approach. But I don't know I would.

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posts together and I don't pay attention to every detail,

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but sometimes I do. Uh, And I'm like, oh, he's

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wearing flip flops.

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Speaker 1: And I was like oh, and this erupted on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, everyone was talking about it. Should we should be

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people wear flip flops? Should they be yellowed to wear

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whatever they want, you know, the same conversation. But it's

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always the same. Women have to wear heees, and how

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dare them wear anything else? But the man? You know,

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it's cute. Oh he's so hot. I don't care, you know, well,

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Speaker 1: Don't know if that actually flies about this whole women,

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about whether there's sex and sexism involved in this, because

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women wear sandals on the red carpet all the time.

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Speaker 2: Feet, but flip flops is different.

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Speaker 1: I understand that, but that to me is not It's

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sort of like, well, we're going to get into this.

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men wear dress shoes without socks, and I'm like, okay,

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but women wear dress shoes without socks. Why is it

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not considered disgusting when they do it. There's this whole

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weird thing. Believe me, nearly two decades of writing about this,

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there is a very weird conversation about footwear right between

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men and women and what's considered acceptable and what's not,

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based on, you know, ideas about what's appropriate for each gender.

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for a red carpet because they're so casual. You can

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wear flat sandals, and a man can wear flat sandals

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on a red carpet, of course he can, but flip flops.

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flip flops at a gas station. And I'm sure his

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flip flops are expensive, and they're probably leather. They're probably

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not rubber salt, they're not habiyanas you know, but so

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I'm sure they're very But just the style is considered

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very casual and very basic, and if you want to

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air your toes out on a red carpet, I think

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there are better options than that.

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Speaker 2: I know it's a photocol and it felt it felt

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when you look at the whole picture, everyone in the picture,

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you like, it feel like somebody just told me, you know,

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there's a photocol going on right now, right you need

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to go. Yeah, And he just left the hotel, you know,

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the city. I see this conversation a lot about people

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wearing flip flops in the city, and flip flops should

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only be for the beach. You know, you should wear

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flip flubs in the city on the sidewalks because it's dirty.

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Blah blah blah. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's a different question. But yeah, in terms of of

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whether it's formal enough for something like a photocol or

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a red carpet, I don't think so. I don't think

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it's appropriate.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's appropriate. And again, it's just.

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Speaker 1: A very casual design and it's it implies a certain

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level of right.

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Speaker 2: I noticed with this whole so far, because we don't

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know so far, with this whole promoting the movie, he's

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very casual, more than usual because he usually he tends

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to wear something interesting and I don't know, a little

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more formal, more put together. So far, his looks have

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been very like, kind of a dude look. I don't care.

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I don't know if it's a new approach with his stylist.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, actually, I think what he's doing is he's

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dressing up as characters from Jurassic Park.

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Speaker 2: I guess so people mentioned that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's doing like a Sam Neil stuff and he's

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doing like Jeff Goldbloom.

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Speaker 2: So whatever, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't like this sort of theme dressing, but whatever, that

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doesn't bothers me less than flip flops on the red carpet.

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Speaker 2: Right anyway, So that's that about the flip flop. But anyway,

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it boils down to, oh, he's so cute, I don't care,

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you know, compensation anyway. The next topic is also on

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Age star anyway, because he was feature in Juq magazine

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and he gave an interview about lots of things, but

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he also mentioned about bottoming, uh, And the whole conversation

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was apparently, you know, the whole it was all about

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him saying that he he feels like he's creatively that

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he's bottom because he collects all these information from people.

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learning a little language and paying attention to what people

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see and so he gathered all that, uh, and so

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he feels like he creatively that he's being at bottom.

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guys can't bottom, you know. The whole thing about dominance

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and submission and had all sexual relationships and this whole thing.

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talking about straight men bottoming. So anyway, I just thought

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it was interesting. I don't know, I find it interesting.

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And again another guy, handsome guy who apparently is very

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open about everything. But I don't know, are these people

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really I mean, listen, I love the guy. I think

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he's a great actor. He's stunny, he's very very handsome,

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and he's an interesting guy. Based on the interviews I've

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I've watched and read, he's he's an interesting guy and

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kind of an intellectual guy. So I don't know if

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this whole approach is I don't know. I feel like

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these days Darren Chris is another example, like, oh I

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feel gay, I feel queer, you know, like, I don't

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know are these people oh?

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Speaker 1: I was kinda asked because I'm like, what is the

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issue here?

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Speaker 2: Well, the issue that people feel is that, you know,

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it's a little bit of a queer baiting here. You

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know that these people are yes, they're open, they're actors there,

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but at the same time, like I don't know, trying

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to be queer.

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, I mean, I don't know, but I think

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the issue with Darren Chris always was that he maintained

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his heterosexuality while I mean, he states it outright that

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he's straight, that he's not queer, right, but that he's

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culturally queer, And I think that's kind of bullshit. Morg inspector.

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I don't know that he's one hundred percent straight, like

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I don't. He has not come out and said that

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the way Darren Chris did, and I wouldn't make that

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assumption first off, based on how we act, like, I'm

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not one hundred percent sure that guy's fully strong. I mean,

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I know he's married to a woman, but bisexuality exists, right,

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using queer language because for all I know, he is

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looks like that. I'm just gonna say it. The idea

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that he hasn't had any experiences with men, probably doesn't

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hard to believe. I'm not making accusations here, I'm just saying, like,

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of commentary. It doesn't bother me to hear it. It's

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when when celebrity guys are taking on all of the

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trappings of queerness while maintaining their own heterosexuality, that to

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Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. It's just interesting that you see

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more and more guys talking openly about things like that,

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you know, queerness, and I don't know. But at the

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same time, I don't know if he feels like a

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little force, a little promo like you know.

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and he knows that the Gilded Age probably has a

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lot of gay male fans. And I am sure that

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he he has received an awful lot of attention from

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gay men because of the way that he looks. So yeah,

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there's a certain amount of of you know, condescension. You

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him trying to be an ally or whatever. That's the

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way he likes to dress. He dresses in these very

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sort of wild, somewhat queer tinged clothing styles.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean you could say the same thing

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about Bad Bunny, like the way he dresses, and well,

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bad you know another example of street guy.

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I mean, he doesn't make little comments about being queer

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or anything like that. I mean, he's clearly right.

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Speaker 2: But every editoria he's wearing something, you know.

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Speaker 1: But that doesn't feel like right now to me.

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Speaker 2: No, But I'm just saying that it's you see more

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and more so called straight guys, you know, be open

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Speaker 1: But it's fine by me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine by me. But at the same time,

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it's like, you know it I understand having a conversation

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about you know, these guys really open or you know,

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in terms of acceptance or just using queerness to you know,

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promote something anyway. That's that was the conversation and the all.

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Speaker 1: Right, let's take a short break and we'll come back

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with more TikTok stuff. Yep, we're back, and Lorenzo has

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one more TikTok time story for you. Lorenzo, go, well.

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Speaker 2: Now this one it was all over the internet, but

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also TikTok a lot. It's the new show by Ryan Murphy,

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The American Love Story, So, which is about Carolyne Bassett

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and Kennedy and j F. Kennedy Junior. It's about their

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love story and whatever happened. We don't really know. As

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far as I know, we don't really know what Ryan

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Murphy is covering. I guess they're covering all the way

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to the end when they died.

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Speaker 1: I would imagine, Yeah, I mean, it's gonna be allacious

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and have no and be of questionable taste.

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Speaker 2: So Ryan Murphy Production posted what he calls now test

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shots out on Instagram, and it exploded because people saw

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a picture of the two actors who are going to

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play the two people. I think it's what their name,

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I can't remember, Sarah A pigeon And what the other

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guy's name I can't remember right now. I remember lated anyway,

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So people were immediately people were looking at them and

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complaining that they don't look like like, you know, the

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real people, and that it was very funny because the

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hair colorist talked about the hair, that the hair wasn't right.

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And then people were complaining about the clothes that it's

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very hard to you know, come up with the clothes

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she wore, and I don't know fashion people were complaining

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about anyway. So they were all complaining about everything, and

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finally Ryan Murphy came out with the statement say, there

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was a mistake to put to put these test images

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out because people were, you know, complaining about something that

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they don't even know yet and and you know they

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don't actually gonna look like that. I don't know how

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not anyway, So it's this whole thing. It's it's very

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interesting that people are already hating the show and questioning

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the show, you know, way ahead of time more often

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than you know, more it's kind of I mean, they

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people always complain about these shows, but this one, I

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don't know, apparently has triggered everyone and they're all talking

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about it on TikTok and and fashion sites and everything.

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I guess because of her, because she was kind of

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a fashion icon, right, people people feel a little. I

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don't know, but I just thought it was interesting. I

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don't know, I find the whole thing grows. And then

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JFK junior nephew Jack Schlossenberg Schlossberg, he put out a

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bit of a drama queen or himself, right, So he

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put out a statement on an Instagram, I believe, complaining

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about the show, calling the show grotesque and and that

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you know that it's it's outrageous that they're doing a

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show about those two, and then that they I hope

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they take the whole situation or whatever happened seriously. And

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then he complained that you know, the show never contacted them,

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never asked for their peru, but they don't have to

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as a show.

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Speaker 1: Now, I mean, go ahead, Yeah, this this always comes

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up in biopics and that sort of thing about whether

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or not the family or friends approve of it, and

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that's never I don't think that's a consideration. I don't

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think it has to be a consideration. Now, having said that,

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the freaking Kennedy family has every right to be like,

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could you please stop making movies about us? And uh, personally,

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I just the idea of moving on to the next

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generation and we're now we're going to start doing movies

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about these losers, like we've got the fucking RFK Junior

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in the White House destroying public health. The fascination with

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this family needs to die.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's an interesting take.

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Speaker 1: It needs to die. These people are not interesting. They

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were slightly interesting sixty years ago, but they're not interesting anymore.

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They are a tawdry family with a bunch of fucked

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up people in it, and the fact that they're wealthy

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doesn't make them interesting. I'm sorry, I am ranting, but

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I can't stand the fascination with the Kennedys. I just can't.

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They're not interesting people, and the entire cottage industry that

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sprung up in the last fifty years, of telling these

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salacious stories about them over and over and over again,

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has only elevated their them beyond any sense of you know,

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we shouldn't be this fascinated with this one friggin family.

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we keep making movies about them. It's not like they

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have done anything interesting as a family in fifty years. Well,

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especially him, I mean well, I mean I get it,

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and I'm actually surprised it's taken this long for someone

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to make a movie about these two because they were glamorous,

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they were gorgeous, they were very glamorous. We're just stylish

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people who died terribly and died young. So I mean,

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I get it, I get it. But there's also a

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lot about that marriage that is a little salacious and tacky.

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There were problems throughout that marriage. There were drug issues

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and that sort of thing. So I don't know. I

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just and you know, Ryan Murphy has just made a

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career out of He just keeps getting sleezier and sleezier

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in his old age, and I just I find him

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so embarrassing as a as a gay male creator.

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Speaker 2: I know, it feels very much like a cliche. Whatever

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he picks for his shows, you know, it's.

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Speaker 1: Just sleazy, cleazy, pleazy.

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Speaker 2: So he came out and said he's going to donate

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some money into what app I know some of the

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prophets blah blah blah, and it's just I don't know,

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this is going to be another one that people will

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be talking about and hating it and watching it at

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the same time. Like everyone of whose shows, right, they're terrible,

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They're terrible, they're terrible and they're terrible ideas, and it's

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very again, it feels like a very old gay cliche of.

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Speaker 1: That's what I find embarrassing about him. It's like, boy,

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you were just every cliche about gay men.

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Speaker 2: Old gay man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just gossip and and and it's icons.

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Speaker 2: It's these people that you admire and and then you're

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going to make shows about them. You know. It's just

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I don't know, it feels weird. Yeah, I I don't know.

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I honestly I don't see the need for a show

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about these two, but I guess.

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Speaker 1: And I don't see. I don't see an audience for it.

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Is there some you know, are young people really all

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that interested? They died twenty what thirty years ago? They

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even know she is, you know, exactly Like they're so

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like gen X icons. They're not really like millennials and

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gen Z don't care about them. They've been dead most

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of their lives. So I don't get the point of it.

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But you know, I hate most of what Ryan Murphy

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puts out, and he gets an audience every single time.

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Speaker 2: So because he's smart about getting Kardashian a Kardashian you know, yeah,

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to be on his show, and so people watch that's

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why people watch it. Yeah, it's not because it's quality.

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Uh you know television.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, are we?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That's done with that.

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Speaker 2: That's it for the TikTok conversation.

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Speaker 1: That's it for Lorenzo's TikTok time. And we'll we're gonna

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take a short break and then we're gonna come back

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and rip Carrie Bradshaw to shred. Oh my god, we'll

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be right back. We're back. And I just need you

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to know that at the end of last night's episode

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of Been Just like that, Lorenzo turned to me and said,

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I fucking hate this show.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so I said, it's official.

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Speaker 1: I hate this show anyway, I strongly dislike this show.

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I hate this show too.

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Speaker 2: What am I?

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Speaker 1: Why am I trying next? Sugarcoated? It's bad? And this episode,

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I mean every episode at least once I turned to

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you when I go, this is not interesting. Like long

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conversations about stupid shit that just is not interesting.

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Speaker 2: The fact that there are so many interviews out there

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with Sarah Jessica Parker. She is so defensive and now

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yes and Cyti Nicks and no, actually I just saw

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an interview They're all talking about their characters and defending

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their characters because they know people.

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Speaker 1: First off, one of the main problems with the show

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is that the actresses all came back as executive producers,

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and they all came back with ideas about their characters.

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And what happened is they turned Miranda gay because Cynthia

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Nixon is gay exactly. And then they made Carrie Mike. Oh,

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she's got a cat and she's very worried about teenagers now,

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and I'm like, yeah, that's not who Carrie Bradshaw is.

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Speaker 2: I know, that is not who she is.

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Speaker 1: That's who Sarah Jessica Parker is because she has kids

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that age.

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Speaker 2: I just saw an interview I can't remember where with

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Cydia Nickson and maybe I posted in the lounge anyway,

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it was her basically saying that they were talking about

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the person interviewing asked about the material, and she said, well,

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you know, they know us so well by now, you

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know the creators of the show and the writers that

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you know, they know what we want, they know what

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we like. So so this is pretty much just a

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job for these people. It is. It is just to

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keep these people employed.

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Speaker 1: And they just like there's no understanding of their characters.

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I'll just point this out. It didn't occur to me

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until after the episode was over. Well, I mean, I

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think it was like this morning, I was thinking about it.

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There was an entire storyline devoted to Charlotte Harry not

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being able to get it up, I know. And it

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was this cute little scene where she told him it

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was fine and we're getting older and things are changing.

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entire arc for Charlotte that lasted two whole seasons about

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her first marriage failing because her husband was impotent. Right,

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How can you not even bring that up? How can

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you not acknowledge, like if the point of that scene,

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and I don't think that I was gonna say, the

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point of that scene was to show that Charlotte has

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grown and this thing that bothered her so much two

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decades ago doesn't bother her anymore, because that's what happens

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as you grow. But that's not what that scene was.

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That scene completely You can tell no one in the

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00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:32,359
writing of that scene ever thought, oh wait, her first marriage.

471
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,039
This was a huge issue in her first marriage. Why

472
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,359
wouldn't they Why wouldn't you Why wouldn't you use that moment.

473
00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:42,680
Why wouldn't she say, you know, there was a time

474
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,759
in my life where this would have mattered to me

475
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:48,559
or blah blah blah. I mean he was her divorce attorney,

476
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,079
so he knows exactly what the problems were in her

477
00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:55,319
first Why why would you even write this scene and

478
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,839
not have these characters unpack it.

479
00:25:57,799 --> 00:26:01,279
Speaker 2: Because there's no growth, no pun intended. These people that

480
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,839
do not these characters do not develop, they don't follow anything.

481
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: There's no continent. So yeah, like that would have been

482
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,880
a great example where you could have had a slightly

483
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,519
humorous scene and then have them unpack it about aging

484
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,480
and how your priorities. But that's not it because they

485
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,160
don't freaking think at all, and.

486
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:23,599
Speaker 2: All the men are all the men, all the male

487
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,000
characters are like falling apart with age, you know, and they're.

488
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: Just like, I know, it's actually a little yeah.

489
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,759
Speaker 2: I mean there's borderline. It's borderline offensive. And the gay

490
00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:36,839
one is a sleazy whore so like back in the

491
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,720
eighties or gay whore. I mean, it's just like everything

492
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:45,279
is a cliche. Everything is a cliche, and and people

493
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:48,160
I actually saw I wasn't gonna mention because I don't

494
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,799
know if I kind of agree, but I guess I do.

495
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,480
Now several articles mentioning that it's not Miranda anymore, it's

496
00:26:55,519 --> 00:26:58,839
into Nixon's life. Now, that's just it. I mean.

497
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: Again, Miranda actually went through several moments in the original

498
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:12,519
series where her sexuality was questioned and she came out

499
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:16,640
on the side of heterosexuality. And it was very clear

500
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:22,680
throughout Miranda's whole single years she loved getting laid, she

501
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:24,119
loved having sex with men.

502
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: So remember the scene at the game, the Firm's game

503
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:29,440
or whatever.

504
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:31,559
Speaker 1: That that's the one I'm talking about. They thought she

505
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,720
was a lesbian. She kissed that girl, and she's like,

506
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:37,039
I'm definitely not a lesbian. Now that is not right.

507
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,319
You can tell a story here about a woman reaching

508
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,799
late middle age and having a realization about herself, but

509
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,640
that's not what happened. She met Chay and that was it.

510
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,880
I mean, suddenly she was off men completely, and we

511
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,880
were supposed to believe that she was never into men

512
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,839
to begin with. And I'm like, yeah, but that's not

513
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:59,279
the character. I am not arguing against making Miranda queer,

514
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:03,240
but Miranda as she was written would have to be

515
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:07,359
written bisexual because she really liked Dick back in the day.

516
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: She never mentions her husbandmember. What happened to me is

517
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,079
he did? Yeah.

518
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean they just mishandled her so so badly. I

519
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,599
think she could have had a late midlife awakening to

520
00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:24,079
realizing that she is attracted to women, and they could

521
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,039
have her navigating that as a bisexual woman and you know,

522
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,400
approaching sixty. But no, she's full blown all chicks all

523
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,119
the time. And I'm like, yeah, this has nothing to

524
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,920
do with the woman that we used to watch Looking

525
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,880
for Boyfriend. I get it. I listen, I have been

526
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:39,720
in the closet.

527
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:40,359
Speaker 2: I get that.

528
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,319
Speaker 1: When you're in the closet, you put on a front

529
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:44,519
and you try it. But that wasn't what Miranda was

530
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:46,920
doing all those years on the show. She was a

531
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,000
woman who was into men, very very much so, and

532
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,319
there was a way to do that storyline that would

533
00:28:53,359 --> 00:29:00,319
have been intelligent and thought provoking and would have felt

534
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,599
like a continuation of Miranda's journey. But now I'm looking

535
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:05,559
at this character and I'm like, Okay, you're just a

536
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:13,559
different You're just different, You're someone else. Uh, I don't know.

537
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,759
I ironically Miranda's storyline is the one I have the

538
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:22,559
least problem with, although because first off, she's not making

539
00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:24,079
an ass out of herself.

540
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:25,759
Speaker 2: Not anymore.

541
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,839
Speaker 1: She is doing what they all do, which is like

542
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,400
pining after people that she wants to like her so badly,

543
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,680
and it just looks bad on a woman that age

544
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,759
to be acting that way. But okay, you're newly out,

545
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,240
you're newly queer, you're trying to figure it out, right,

546
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,640
all of that actually kind of works. But the thing

547
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,000
about this whole and I like the British woman, They

548
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,759
actually have some nice chemistry together.

549
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: She's just a great actor, the British one.

550
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:56,599
Speaker 1: And she fits like That's the thing. The first couple

551
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:58,759
of seasons of this show, they kept shoving people in

552
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,039
and I'm like, no, this doesn't fit, Like Jay just

553
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:04,079
doesn't fit in this world. They're not part of that world.

554
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:09,160
And Carrie's young podcasting friends like, no, I'm sorry, Carrie

555
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,480
would not be friends with these people, let alone inviting

556
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,039
them to her apartment. They kept shoving people in that

557
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:16,720
didn't fit. And now they're at a point with like

558
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:21,000
Seema and Lisa, those characters actually fit. They feel like

559
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:24,759
a friend group. That makes sense. This gay British woman

560
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,400
actually does I like where this is going. But here's

561
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,599
the thing. They introduced that character at the end of

562
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,440
last season, the gay British woman. Why is it taking

563
00:30:35,519 --> 00:30:38,440
like four episodes from Miranda to ask her out? Why

564
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,440
did we spend time with Rosie O'Donnell. You introduced a

565
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,880
potential love interest, and then I don't know what was

566
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,319
there some I don't know. I don't understand why they

567
00:30:49,319 --> 00:30:51,279
waited so long for them to kiss or for them

568
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,559
to actually ask each other out. Similarly, at the end

569
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,680
of last season, Aiden makes this big announcement like, oh,

570
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:03,400
we have to pause because of my children and problems

571
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,599
and we're gonna have to wait five years, and then

572
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:09,079
right right from the jump from the beginning of the season, well,

573
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:10,640
oh no, never mind, we're not going to do that.

574
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,119
And then four episodes later they come, so we're back

575
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,480
to where we were at the end of last season. Well,

576
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,480
all of this feels like just spinning wheels, wasting time.

577
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,559
Speaker 2: Actually even worse because it feels like Carrie is just

578
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,039
justerately trying to do whatever she can to hold on

579
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:28,359
to him.

580
00:31:28,519 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna let yeah, we're putting Carrie on the

581
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,599
back burner because we know that's going to take most

582
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,359
of our time. I'm trying to cycle through everything. So

583
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,799
Charlotte's whole I don't get what. They don't seem to

584
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:43,720
have any idea what to do with Charlotte, And like

585
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:46,240
that scene is a perfect example. You could have done

586
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:49,599
something with that. We went on that journey with Charlotte.

587
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:51,519
We know how hard it was for her to be

588
00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:53,359
in a marriage with a man who couldn't get it

589
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,960
up for her. This would have been a great moment

590
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000
and instead it was like ha haa a little joky.

591
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,559
Everything with that family, everything in that apartment is just

592
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:05,200
very light and never amounts to anything. And have you

593
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,759
noticed that the non binary child is now wearing makeup

594
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:11,960
and they never refer to that child being non binary anymore.

595
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,319
They still call them rock. But I don't know what

596
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:15,960
the deal is.

597
00:32:16,359 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: She's just too busy with bananas now and going now.

598
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh, the other daughter has a boyfriend, but he's he's polly, polysexual, polyamorous.

599
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: Whatever the creators are. The writers are trying so.

600
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:36,279
Speaker 1: Hard embarrassing because it's like, oh, these young people with

601
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,519
their non binary and their polyculs a little it just

602
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:44,079
makes you all sound really old and dumb, and why

603
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:45,920
couldn't she just have a boyfriend? Like why when?

604
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: Okay, whatever, because they have to be inclusive.

605
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,759
Speaker 1: They have to be inclusive and it's a new world

606
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,160
and it's whatever.

607
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,279
Speaker 2: That way they can address all the you know, criticism

608
00:32:57,359 --> 00:32:58,000
that they're.

609
00:32:57,839 --> 00:33:00,119
Speaker 1: Well, that's what it is. The whole the whole theory

610
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,240
is them being defensive about all the criticisms of the

611
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:09,880
first series. So Charlotte lives in like Queer Polycules Central

612
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,799
or whatever. For whatever reason, she just needs to be

613
00:33:12,839 --> 00:33:17,720
surrounded by these people. And I actually think it's weird

614
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:20,319
that Anthony comes for dinner every night with his boyfriend.

615
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:23,000
That's kind of weird. Do you not have a life,

616
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:24,480
Do you not have a place to live?

617
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,599
Speaker 2: I know, it's just weird.

618
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:33,759
Speaker 1: Miranda fine perfectly okay with her seema. There's no storyline there.

619
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,119
They're still dragging this thing out about her starting her

620
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:37,640
own company.

621
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,559
Speaker 2: I still remember the first episode how strong this woman was,

622
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:42,799
so how accomplished and all that, and now she's just

623
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:43,720
like nothing.

624
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,279
Speaker 1: There's not like three minutes and it's just a continuational

625
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,720
last week where it's like, okay, go start your own Lisa.

626
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:54,119
Speaker 2: How many episodes about this damn documentary. Man, it's just

627
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,440
like a complications with the documentary, that's all.

628
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,559
Speaker 1: I don't mind that. I mean, being a documentary filmmaker,

629
00:33:59,559 --> 00:34:01,359
there's a lot of interesting things that you could do.

630
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,680
But she's talking in her sleep an entire episode about yes, Yes.

631
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,159
And then there's this thing where they just randomly shove

632
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,719
hot eyes at these women. They just throw hot guys

633
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,760
at these women wear.

634
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: It's a gardener.

635
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: And now this guy like, oh, is her marriage in trouble?

636
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,639
And I mean, I guess if that's what you want

637
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,159
to do, But I don't know what would make a

638
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,440
more interesting storyline for Lisa. But whether she's going to

639
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:31,960
cheat on her very supportive husband doesn't sound very feeling

640
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:39,599
to me. So distractions, distractions like there's no storyline here,

641
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:45,639
Lisa's talking in her sleep, Charlotte's husband can't get it up,

642
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,840
like that's it. That's it, and there's no further exploration,

643
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,880
like here's the thing much like Charlotte's storyline where they

644
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,280
could have taken it somewhere. I thought she was going

645
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,679
to say something about the hot guy in her sleep.

646
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,719
I thought that was the right that would have been

647
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,400
a storyline who's this guy's name that you're calling out

648
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,800
in your sleep kind of thing? But nothing ever goes anywhere.

649
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,840
There's no dramatic tension, there's no nothing. It's just little

650
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,880
vignettes with people, and then we move on to the

651
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,280
next vignette.

652
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: And every now and then they say something. It's more

653
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,920
that could that could could have been explored, you know,

654
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,000
a little more like when her husband says, well, he's black,

655
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:28,639
isn't he. Okay, Well, that's enough about the the guy

656
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,800
that she wants to hire, which has a line there about,

657
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,119
you know, like people the whole thing about okay, because

658
00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:37,599
he's black, then people are gonna accept that situation better

659
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:39,840
than well, they're not going to unpack I know, but

660
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,679
stuff like that that would be a lot more interesting

661
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:48,000
to explore than some silliness about you know, she can't

662
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:49,760
sleep or whatever and talk. Yeah.

663
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,639
Speaker 1: So all of that, I mean, all of those characters

664
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,920
dumb storyline right, and have no consequence that go nowhere.

665
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,920
Oh oh, we didn't even get into random being a meme.

666
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, this is what I mean.

667
00:36:03,159 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: It feels like old people writing, and which is weird

668
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,159
because last week I said it felt like young people

669
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:11,360
trying to write older people. I have to go look

670
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,679
up the ages of everyone on this writing staff, because

671
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,360
sometimes they all sound like eight year olds, and sometimes

672
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:16,960
they all sound like.

673
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: They're from Sex and the City.

674
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: So I thought it was a different writing No, no.

675
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,079
Speaker 2: She in the latest interview I read, Cintia mentioned that

676
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:28,679
they're they're from Sex and the City. The two creators

677
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,159
at least two right now, I know, I'm sorry, two writers.

678
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,840
I'm sorry, two writers. At least two writers are from

679
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:35,079
the old shoe.

680
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:44,679
Speaker 1: All right, So Carrie storyline, Oh yeah, okay, she's ill

681
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,039
equipped as a character to deal with a storyline like this.

682
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,000
As it was unfolding, I thought, well, this isn't terrible, right,

683
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,719
It's a true family drama. There's real stakes here. There

684
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,519
are various you know, interpersonal relationships, you know, intersecting what

685
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,199
you know with the the you know, aiden and his

686
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,039
ex wife there at that you know, they don't agree

687
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:11,840
on a proper course of treatment. The boys are not

688
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,800
getting along, that the two older brothers are not actually

689
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,519
all that supportive of the younger brother who is, yes

690
00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:20,679
and asshole but also clearly dealing with some mental health issues.

691
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,360
And then there's the whites boyfriend who's kind of weird

692
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,400
and creepy and and and just the whole family vibe

693
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:32,679
is way off. And that's kind of interesting, you know,

694
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,840
It's it's real drama. It's it feels like there are stakes.

695
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,960
But the whole time I was like this, this is

696
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:43,119
not where Carrie Bradshaw should be. It's that character was

697
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:45,679
not created to be in the middle of these like

698
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:51,719
domestic dramas about teenagers and adderall and substance. That's just

699
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,360
not who she is.

700
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing about creating something based on the

701
00:37:56,039 --> 00:37:59,920
on on how characters would react, as opposed to creating situa,

702
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,239
so that you can tell a certain story you know

703
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,760
that has nothing you know, and and the characters would

704
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,800
not behave that way at all. Like Carrie would have

705
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:11,360
asked Aiden about the pills, he would have mentioned it

706
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,639
to him. She would have mentioned it to him like say,

707
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,559
you know, your wife is asking me for this? Is

708
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:16,159
that okay? We do?

709
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:21,599
Speaker 1: I mean exactly, yeah, you exactly, and then telligent adult acts.

710
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: But I just, by the way, I just got a

711
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,079
text from your wife and she was asking for you know,

712
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,519
I just want to run that by you, not not

713
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:31,800
not necessarily asking permission, but just so you were you know,

714
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,400
in the compensation. Now she go ahead.

715
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,119
Speaker 1: And then the fact that the wife even did that,

716
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,719
like why would you put your your ex husband's girlfriend

717
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,920
on the on the hook like that. It's kind of

718
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:43,599
a shitty thing for her to deal.

719
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,519
Speaker 2: And how often does this woman call Carrie? You know,

720
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:48,280
like I don't Yeah, again I thought, why is she

721
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,800
calling Carrie? Does she call Carry often? Or text Carry?

722
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,360
You know what I mean? It's the whole thing is weird.

723
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,079
It That's what these writers do. They create these situations. Okay,

724
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:01,360
we're just going to present because we feel like we

725
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,480
need to it, you know, talk about this or explore this,

726
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,079
so it doesn't matter if the characters are you know,

727
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,159
would react that way or or even do whatever they

728
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:11,239
make them do.

729
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: And then I mean, this is what I mean about

730
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,800
Carrie being I don't know if they try and write

731
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,320
her this way or but like she finds out that

732
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,800
in the middle of this party that is already incredibly

733
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,599
tense and weird that you know, Aiden and his wife

734
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:31,159
do not agree on adderall. So she decides to confront

735
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,480
Aiden about this in the middle of this party, and

736
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:37,559
he says, Carrie, not now, not tonight, and every once

737
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:40,239
in a while, I'm like, do the writers understand that

738
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,159
they're making her look like an asshole right now? Or

739
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:46,039
do they just not see that? Because when when she

740
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:49,679
gives interviews Sarah Jessica Parker, she talks about Carrie like, oh, no,

741
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,159
she's people are so unfair to Carrie. No, actually, Carrie's

742
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:55,119
kind of an asshole. Like how do you nut see

743
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:55,639
all the time?

744
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of the point of the character.

745
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,000
But it was the point. But at certain at some

746
00:40:03,199 --> 00:40:09,000
point you age, Yeah, you go through life with you know,

747
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:12,039
you experience things. I mean, you can't be the same.

748
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,800
You just can't react like you reacted thirty years ago.

749
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,519
Speaker 1: I get that, and I agree with that, but I

750
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:22,840
also think there are limits to what you can how

751
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,480
you can expect these character and characters to act. And

752
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:27,679
Carrie like on a tractor.

753
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 2: And oh I know all of that, all of that,

754
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,920
I'm like, that's not who she is.

755
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand why you're trying to make her.

756
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:37,840
You're trying to make her into Sarah Jessica Parker. And

757
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,000
that's the problem. You tried to make Miranda into Cynthia Nixon.

758
00:40:41,039 --> 00:40:43,519
Well that's what and now you're trying to turn Carrie.

759
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:47,119
And Carrie was shallow, Carrie smoked, Carrie was inappropriate. Carrie

760
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:51,400
didn't like children, right, didn't like family drama, you know,

761
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:54,360
like that's the person we all fell in love with

762
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,599
twenty five years ago. And yes, I get that life

763
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:58,480
is different and you change and this and that and

764
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:00,199
the other thing. But of course the show I was

765
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,320
not interested in that because, like I said, that whole Charlotte,

766
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,960
they could have done a whole scene about Charlotte unpacking

767
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,639
how she's changed. I just don't buy her going in Oh.

768
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:12,519
And that's the other thing. The show tries to do

769
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:16,840
this stuff where ooh carries in Virginia like some base,

770
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:21,840
scary thing and she goes to that dress shop and

771
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,360
she's been real snotty about the dresses, and I'm like, okay,

772
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,519
I just saw you in where was she Battery Park

773
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:31,360
wearing that big fucking hat in that and that ugly

774
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,400
dress a couple episodes ago, Like yeah, and like the

775
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,400
dresses that she was wearing and like making fun of them,

776
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,760
like how is that any different from the ship to

777
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,400
Wear in New York?

778
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,199
Speaker 2: And you tell me they don't have other stores in

779
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:42,599
the city.

780
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: Come you can't buy a pair of shorts or something

781
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:45,760
like that.

782
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 2: She has to buy it. You don't full blown dress

783
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,239
a gap or something. Come on.

784
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: Everything about it was just silly and it never went anywhere.

785
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,800
And then at the end of it all I even

786
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,719
said to you, I was like, oh, well, while this

787
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,239
was all unfolding, tab almost knocked my microphone over or

788
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,039
a twenty pound cat. While this was all unfolding, the

789
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,840
arguments and everything, the kid breaking the window and all that,

790
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:09,960
I turned to you and I was like, oh, I

791
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,519
guess they're breaking them up, like that's what's going And

792
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,840
then of course no, they're not broken up. Actually, if

793
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,320
at the end of the episode Carrie had said, listen,

794
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,559
I love you, but this is not we can't. You

795
00:42:22,679 --> 00:42:25,480
need to be here and I need to go back

796
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,440
to New York, but instead it was I love you,

797
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,320
you can't, but we're still together.

798
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: Here's my key, and here's my key.

799
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: You gave him a key after that night together. Like

800
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,079
where it was, there were so many red flags that

801
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,880
you can't even see past all the red flags, and

802
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,880
I had to say, I don't again. I don't know

803
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,280
how aware the writers are about how some of these

804
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,320
characters are coming across, but Aiden is coming across so

805
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:58,440
really bad, like really bad. Yes, every husband, not a

806
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,159
particularly good father, not a particularly good boyfriend, like just

807
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:03,519
being an asshole.

808
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:05,559
Speaker 2: To everybody, not really thinking about anything.

809
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:10,159
Speaker 1: Just again, that could have been interesting where Carrie sees

810
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:11,880
a side of him and she's like, I can't I

811
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,119
can't be with this person. He's got too many, you know,

812
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:16,760
too much shit going on. But no, she hands him

813
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:17,559
a key after.

814
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,639
Speaker 2: That night, like what, go write your book.

815
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,079
Speaker 1: Go write your dumb ass book, because every time they

816
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:26,840
quote it, I'm like, this sounds horrible. This makes Bridgeton

817
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:31,639
sound like pride and prejudice. Oh my god, Yeah, go

818
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:35,840
write your shitty book, in your in your Grammarcy part whatever.

819
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:38,559
I wish I liked these characters, but I don't. And

820
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:42,480
I used to love them, but they they aren't the

821
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,840
people that they were twenty five years ago. And they

822
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,679
did not turn them into more interesting people. They turned

823
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:49,719
them into lessons.

824
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,039
Speaker 2: I think I think Santhia said it all when she said,

825
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,199
you know, the writers know as well by now, and

826
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:56,800
you know they give us what we feel comfortable with.

827
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,119
That's pretty much. And so that's there's Yeah, it's not

828
00:44:00,159 --> 00:44:04,280
about the characters anymore. Is about keeping these ladies employed,

829
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,079
and it is.

830
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,159
Speaker 1: It's about keeping them employed. Yeah, we're going to finish

831
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:09,960
this season out, but.

832
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 2: We've done it.

833
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,199
Speaker 1: I don't even think we could do. You know, Sassy

834
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,480
Little podcast recaps. It's just bad television. It's badly written

835
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,159
and I don't even think it's all that well acted.

836
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: And they're gonna keep going. I mean, of course, I have.

837
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: A feeling the wheels are coming off. I feel like

838
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,559
the rhetoric surrounding this show is now. I mean, in

839
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:33,679
the first couple of seasons, it was always like, oh,

840
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,800
it's so bad that it's kind of entertaining, and now

841
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,800
it's it just seems like everyone's realizing it's just not

842
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:39,480
a good show.

843
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 2: All right.

844
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,519
Speaker 1: I think that's it for this week. We got to

845
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:45,920
go get ready for the Phillas games, and we'll be

846
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,960
back next week. Oh, we'll be in Dallas on Wednesday,

847
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,400
which means we probably might not get a podcast. We'll say,

848
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:56,239
we'll see, but we'll be back soon with whatever cross

849
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,800
the rise acrosses our desk. Until then, take care of yourselves,

850
00:44:58,840 --> 00:44:59,519
love you mean it.

851
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: But by a printing links find fans and an expressing

852
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:11,400
links and a transans links

853
00:45:11,519 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: And a fine tang link, and stras sextensions