Speaker 1: If you've had a bigfoot siding and I would like
to be a guest, please go to bigfoot witness dot
com and let me know.
Speaker 2: My name is Mallory and I do hair and I
like to hike and camp and I'm really into bigfoot
and going to bigfoot festivals. I found out about bigfoot well.
I became interested in bigfoot after a day of hiking
with my boyfriend. We were out at a state park
here in Oklahoma and there had been some flooding, so
we weren't actually on the trails. We were kind of
walking along the waterline and at one point my boyfriend said, Oh,
my gosh, do you smell that?
Speaker 3: And I was like, no, I don't smell anything.
Speaker 2: I kind of held up my tissue and I was like,
I've been dabbing my nose since we got here. No,
I can't smell anything. And I was like, what did
it smell like? And he said it smelled like straight
up sewage. And we're just in the middle of the woods,
and I mean, I couldn't smell anything. And I had
pointed to some mud and thought it was maybe that
gook over there, and he was like, I don't know,
maybe the smell went away, but he's like, man, that
was bad. And at one point we were in the
middle of this state park and we come across just
piles like this huge, like dump pile of old rusty barrels.
I remember there was like a locker out there. Everything
was rusty, and we're just in the middle of this
state park and it's like, Oh, that's awful that this
is all just sitting right here.
Speaker 3: You know. I didn't know if maybe it washed.
Speaker 2: In during a flood, and there was all these old
jars and bottles, and as we were out there in
the spot, I just had the overwhelming feeling that I
was being watched. And I'm like scanning the area around us.
The guy I was with he didn't note anything. I
remember saying, does it feel like we're being watched right now?
And he just thought I was being paranoid. He didn't
take a lot of what I was into or a
lot of what I had to say very seriously. But
I just couldn't shake the feeling that we were being watched.
And later, looking back at pictures, I noticed that there
were sticks leaning up against these barrels.
Speaker 3: There were similar.
Speaker 2: Diameter and lengths, just all leaning up against these barrels
at the same angle. I didn't notice it when we
were there, and I didn't notice it for a long
time when I was.
Speaker 3: Looking back at the photos.
Speaker 2: So I don't know why I remember the date, but
it was April thirty, twenty seventeen. And the next day
May first, I went hiking here in Tulsa with a
friend and I was kind of having the same thing happening.
It was a pretty popular place and I just couldn't
shake the feeling of being watched again. And I told
my friend that I was with It was like, girl,
I'm I'm tripping out, Like I cannot shake the feeling
that someone is like about to walk up on us.
Speaker 3: I keep looking over my shoulder. There's nobody there.
Speaker 2: And then I told her what had happened the day
before when I was down at Sequoia State Park, and.
Speaker 3: She asked me what all I believed in.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand the question, and I was like, what
do you mean, what do I believe in? And she's like,
I don't know, you know, like paranormally or like supernaturally.
And I was like, well, I don't know. I suppose
I believe in angels and demons and ghosts and aliens,
and she asked if I believed in Bigfoot, and I
literally responded, like Bigfoot, Like I've never even considered bigfoot.
And she told me about three of her client encounter stories.
We both do hair, and she told me about some
of her clients encounters, and I was immediately really excited
about it, but also like terrified. And I went home
and I sat there in my hiking clothes on the
corner of my bed looking into bigfoot stuff until my
boyfriend got home at you know, after five o'clock. So
that's kind of what brought it all on. And then
it was just a little over a year later when
I had my encounter. I went with you know, a
companion to the bu Flow National River Area. This was
in July twenty eighteen, and I was really into waterfall
hikes at the time, especially in the Buffalo National River
Area in Arkansas. So there's this waterfall guide book I have,
and this waterfall in particular had really specific instructions on
how to get to the trailhead, one of which includes
going down a gravel road for two to three miles
ish and then you just kind of pull over on
the side of this gravel road and.
Speaker 3: You're on your way.
Speaker 2: There was no other cars out there, it was just us.
When we got there, both of our windows were down.
He turned the car off. Our windows were down because
we were smoking, and I heard what I can only
describe as sniffy, Like if you were in the bathroom
and the door was shut and your dog was sniffing
at slash under the door. Is what it sounded like
to me. And I whispered to him.
Speaker 3: I was like, did you hear that?
Speaker 2: And he was like, yeah, it sounds like heavy machinery,
like way off in the distance. And I was like, okay,
you know I've seen rogue construction in the area, and
at the time, I was just grateful that he acknowledged
carrying it as well.
Speaker 3: So we get out of the car.
Speaker 2: We're I mean, the car is still in sight, and
I remembered our hiking sticks. I ran back to the
car to get the hiking sticks out of the trunk
and ran back to him and we get going and
it was, I mean, the shortest hike of my life.
We were only zero point three miles down this trail,
and the trail is starting to curve to the left,
so we're starting to go left, and then further off
to our left. I'm not a very good judge of distance,
but I'm quite nearsighted, so I can't see very well
far away, So this thing was close enough to where
I could still make it out. We hear this rustling
further off to the left, and we both freeze, and
my brain registered it as a man, like tearing it
through the through the foliage, like he was just running
through all the branches and trees, like through the grass.
Speaker 3: And it's like, you know, for July.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know that it's tick and snake season,
Like who would do that and why? You know, But
my brain registered it as a man, like the silhouette
of a man. And I only saw it for a
few seconds, but my brain registered it as a man.
Its arms are in front of it, like moving branches
and stuff to the side, so like it wasn't going
to get smacked in the face by a branch. And
you know, after I saw the silhouette, my line of
vision went to its hands which were in front of it.
The hands were black and did not have any hair
on them, and the rest of it was covered in hair.
What I saw and as somebody who does hair. I've
I've always I've always said it's kind of like a
level five chocolate brown like it was. It wasn't really
necessarily a red brown, but I mean it was very
clearly brown because we do have black bears in the
area and this this wasn't that.
Speaker 3: And I mean.
Speaker 2: It after I saw it and arms were in front
of it, it was gone behind a tree and I
didn't see it again, so I didn't get a good
look at like the face or the neck again. I
maybe only saw it him. I always felt like it
was a hymn. Five seconds smacked like three to five seconds.
The whole thing happened really.
Speaker 3: Fast, and at that point I was like, what was that?
And Michael was like, I have no idea, And I asked,
do you want to go back?
Speaker 2: And he nodded his head yes, like fast, like yes.
So we turn around and we're walking fast, like constantly
looking over our shoulder, and I started asking him questions
just to make sure we didn't forget.
Speaker 3: Or you know, just to make sure we saw the
same thing.
Speaker 2: You know, we we both agreed it was brown and
on two legs and big and fast. So we're walking
back to the car quickly, and then something flies over
our heads, hitting all the leaves and branches.
Speaker 3: I didn't see what it was.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear or see it land, but something flew
over our heads, and I turned around and gave him
this look like with my eyebrows furrowed together, like what
was that? And his eyes were huge, like wide and huge,
and I could only register his look on his face
as terror. When I saw the look on his face,
I started basically running for my life back to the car.
And there was even a point to where I wasn't
sure if we would make it back to the car.
And I track all of my hikes on all trails,
and so I've been able to look back and it
was only point three miles down the trail that this happened,
So that whole hike was only point six miles. Like,
we didn't make it to the waterfall. And when we
got back to the car, he immediately started questioning what
we saw, like, you know, maybe it was a deer,
maybe it was a bear, And it's like, yeah, but
it's like the thing that we saw run. It was
a very smooth motion, like if a human runs, there
is some up and down movement to that even if
a human walks there was up and down.
Speaker 3: This thing was just like zoop. And he's like, well,
maybe it was a deer.
Speaker 2: And it's like, but a deer isn't gonna doesn't move
like that. A deer is more up and down also
like a human. And we both agreed that whatever it
was was on two legs. And he's like, well, maybe
it was a bear. And it's like, well, maybe, but
do you think a bear could run like that on
as time legs? Do you think a bear would be
running parallel to us through the grass and stuff like that?
Speaker 3: And he's like, well no. And then even I was like, well,
you know, maybe you know.
Speaker 2: There's elks elk around here, and you know, the top color,
like the color of an elk's head is closer in
color to what we saw than like a deer would be.
And he's like, well, maybe it wasn't elk. Elks they
run a little smoother and less up and down. And
it's like yeah, but it was on its hind legs, right,
And he's like well yeah. And so by the time
we got back to the car and you know, we're
going through all this, he starts driving to go to
a different location, and at the time I was too
scared to even get out and try again. We were
in my small shedby Chevy Cobalt on these jeep roads
and logging roads, so we had to go really slow,
and it's like that thing could have covered ground to
you know, like like, no, I can't get out, Like
I just want to go home. I can't do this.
I'm not going to be able to get out and
hike today. And so we ended up just turning around
and going back home. And we didn't talk about it
again until I think November. Honestly, when we got back
to the car, he started making jokes about it.
Speaker 3: He knew I was really into Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: He started singing this goofy song about Bigfoot playing peekaboo
behind a tree. Now I can laugh about it, but
at the time I was really upset by that.
Speaker 3: I felt like he was making fun of me. But yeah,
we didn't talk about it again until November. Again. This
happened in July.
Speaker 2: I was at the high school here in the town
I live, and I left a football game. My daughter
was in a marching band, and as I'm leaving going
to my car, I saw like a meteor in the sky.
And when I went to pick my son up from
his father, who I was with when I had the encounter,
you know, I told him about it. I was like,
oh my gosh, and I was looking around in the
parking lot so I could freak out with somebody like,
oh my gosh, did you see that too?
Speaker 3: But there was no one there. And he's like, kind
of like when you and I saw that, that one thing.
Speaker 2: And that's that's about as much as he said. But
it still kind of felt like he was admitting to
seeing something. And I think it was the following summer,
so about a year after it happened, I finally asked him.
It's like, hey, if you were to tell somebody about
what we saw, like from start to finish, what would
you say, Like how would you set it up and
what would you describe? And he was like, oh, no,
that we were hiking we saw some big animal. It
was brown and I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3: And it's like that's it, Like that's all like from
start to finish, that's what you'd say. And he's like yeah,
and it's like, oh okay. And other than that, we've
never talked about it. Again, So that's what happened.
Speaker 1: You told us about the ominous feeling that you had
where it felt like something was going to walk upon
you when you went on that hike in Tulsa that day.
Did you hear any strange sounds that sounded vibratory in
nature or did you feel any vibrations before that?
Speaker 2: No feeling hits you, not that I recall. Nope, not
that I recall. And there there is a our railroad
track that's somewhat close out there, but I also live
right by a railroad track, and I mean, I think
the vibrations you're talking about is a lot different than
the vibrations of a train.
Speaker 1: Yeah, more than likely. The reason why I asked that
is some eyewitnesses, when they get hit with them for sound,
that's what they report. They hear this kind of like
a vibratory sound that I guess you almost have to
be listening for it to notice. But sometimes they report
that other people don't hear anything like that, but they
feel some kind of a funny vibration because if they
are being hit with them for sound, they can feel
it sometimes. So that's why I was asking about that. Now,
a little over a year later, when you and Mike
heard that sniffing in the Buffalo National River area, how
close was cover to your cobalt that could have concealed
a sasquatch?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean we were just parked on this dirt road
and there was tree coverage on both sides, and it
was July, so there was definitely leaves on the trees.
We pretty much were in an area of full canopy coverage.
So however long a dirt road is, you know, I
I don't really think it was like ten feet away
when that happened.
Speaker 3: It's actually really hard to judge because.
Speaker 2: I mean it, if you know what a dog sniffing
sounds like, this was like bigger than that. And if
it had been right next to it, I don't know,
we maybe would have seen it or smelt it or.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So if the sniffing was louder than what you would
expect from a dog, then you're seeing that you're pretty
sure it could have been loud enough and enough volume
of ear moving where it just might have been a
sasquatch sniffing. Yes, Okay, I see. If that's the case,
how sure are you or aren't you that it might
have been that same sasquatch you saw just moments later.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what I believe it was.
Speaker 2: I believe it heard us come into the area, and
you know, maybe it was curious it possibly maybe because
we were, you know, smoking, Like I said that, maybe
that's why it was sniffing. I'm I'm not sure. I've
I've heard some native legends. How you know, if you're
going out into the woods, you should give a tobacco offering.
I didn't know about it back then, but I found
out about that years later.
Speaker 1: You're a spot on. Yeah, they do seem to be
drawn to tobacco. But there's a catch though where you're
at there. Do you know if they grow any tobacco
in fields? I don't think.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that area of Buffalo, I mean, it isn't
Arkansas as far as I know. The only place I've
ever lived where they did have tobacco fields was like
in the Carolinas. I don't think there's tobacco fields in
that area of Arkansas, especially with it being the Buffalo
National River right there. I'm sure that land is protected
and I don't know what they may grow on it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure you're right. You know highly doubt they
can grow any tobacco around there. The reason why I
asked about that is if there are a bunch of
tobacco fields around, then why would a sasquatch need to
come up to you to get tobacco if you're smoking?
But yeah, I mean in areas where it's not being grown.
It does seem like that makes it a lot more
likely for them to be drawn to you, just like
with dog men. It seems to make it more likely
for dog men too to be drawn to an eyewitness
if they're smoking. So that's something that is kind of
like an important qualifier for that to actually work. But anyway,
your brain registered what you saw that day as a
man running through the woods, but like you said later on,
you noticed the brown hair on him or it. But
was its build within the range of what you would
expect a man's build to be possibly or was there
just too much bulk, too much size for it to
have possibly been a man.
Speaker 3: I mean, the silhouette itself was.
Speaker 2: Man shaped, like it had arms and legs, and its
arms were in front of it like it was moving
something away, Like imagine you're walking through a big row
of beaded curtains like that was the motion it was
doing with its arms and hands, like it was moving
stuff away from in front of it. Now, I know
a bear can stand up right, but I don't think
it's arms is gonna really go out in front of
it like that. And I distinctly saw hands, like I'm
certain of that. So, like I said, I am kind
of nearsighted, but I was close enough to it that
I could see that it had hands and that they
were black and didn't have the hair on it that
everywhere else on its body had. I did not get
a look at the face.
Speaker 1: You didn't get a look at the face, but what
about its head.
Speaker 3: Big and there wasn't really much of a neck. It
just seemed like.
Speaker 2: The head was right on top of the shoulders and
the arms were out in front of it. And it
was just a really fluid motion that this creature moved in.
Speaker 3: You know it like if a human is running.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be some up and down kind of bouncy movements.
And this was very smooth, despite the fact that it
was running through tall grass and trees.
Speaker 1: If it was running through tall grass and trees like that,
was it much of a stoop to its posture.
Speaker 2: Uh not, I didn't really notice that too much. And
you know, it was so early in the hike. I
hadn't even considered whipping my phone out yet to like
take photos, and yeah, we were just getting going on
this hike, so yeah, I didn't even notice if.
Speaker 3: All the you know, sounds died down or anything like that.
Everything just happened so fast. And you know, after I
had gone to my first.
Speaker 2: Bigfoot festival, I was talking to like, I was selling
shirts and stuff, and the lady in the next to
me was Indigenous, and I ended up telling her about
my encounter and told her in hindsight, I was really
disappointed at how scared I ended up being in the moment.
And you know, she asked me why I felt that way,
and it's like, because I wanted to see one.
Speaker 3: And she was like, what makes you think you wanted
to see one?
Speaker 2: And it's like, because I think about it all the time,
Like anytime I go out hiking, I think, oh.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe today's day I'll see a big foot.
Speaker 2: And you know, she was like, well, he gave you
your wish then, and it's like, well, then, why was
I scared? And she's like, well, you mentioned that your
your partner was scared.
Speaker 3: Maybe you were just feeling his emotions.
Speaker 2: And at that time I had I had no concept
of what the word empathy meant.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, if you'd.
Speaker 1: Been thinking about sasquatch all the time and pretty much
anytime you went on a hike, was there a little
bit of exhilaration mixed in with all that fear when
you were watching that sasquatch run through the woods or
was it just nothing but pure tear?
Speaker 3: I mean, at first it was definitely confusion and then
and then it was fear.
Speaker 2: I was not sure if we were gonna get back
to the car. I do think the thing that flew
over our heads was a rock, And to me, I
don't know. I just always got the sense of I
always got the sense it was a male, possibly like
I don't know if it was younger because it was big,
but I always got the sense that it was a male.
Speaker 3: And the rock throw felt like and stay out like.
I think it just wanted us to leave. And I
think if it wanted to, it could have done much worse.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, it definitely could have done that. How tall
do you think it was?
Speaker 2: Well, Michael and I had talked about it, and we
would have guessed between seven and eight feet.
Speaker 3: It definitely looked bigger than either of us.
Speaker 1: Oh, so it's bigger than I thought it was. As
it was moving through the forest, it didn't move up
and down much at all. He said, it was kind
of gliding. But even though it was moving that way,
did you still hear its feet thumping or was it
pretty much silent as far as footsteps would go.
Speaker 2: No, it was honestly the sound that we heard was
the leaves and branches it was moving with its hands.
It was just like the foliage rustling, is what I heard.
I didn't hear pounding sounds like footsteps or anything like that,
so that part was almost completely silent. It was the
leaves and the branches and stuff that it was moving
from in front of it that I heard.
Speaker 3: Oh, and then I didn't even mention.
Speaker 2: A few years later, I ended up going back with
a girl I met at a bigfoot festival and just
past the area where my sighting was. You know how
I said, the trail starts to go left. There was
a power line trail right there, so I'm not sure
if it was paralleling that, but it was definitely between
the foot path and the power line trail, so it
was running through the grass and the trees there.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine how many times you've replayed a
mental video of what you saw that day when you
saw it running through the woods like that.
Speaker 3: Oh, pretty much every day. I don't think a day
has gone by that I haven't thought about it.
Speaker 1: I'll bet yeah. I don't doubt that at all. You
said the experience terrified Mike. But after all the dust
had settled from that experience, did Mike develop an interest
in sasquatch or or did the fear that he felt
that day just put him off on them forever.
Speaker 2: No, he didn't get into it, and he really didn't
even have much interest in talking about it other than
you know, that initial kind of poking fun and then
when he acknowledged it when I was telling him about
seeing a meteor, and then when I just asked him
about it, like, how would you explain it to someone
if you were to tell someone what happened from start
to finish. Those are the only times we've ever spoke
on it. Now, we do have a son together who
is ten, and my son was into it, I think
because I was into it, but his dad has successfully
convinced him that there is no such thing. So I'm
not really sure what to make of that. But you know,
it's not my job to make anyone believe, but I
do feel confident that just talking about it as openly
as I do has maybe helped people be open minded
or you know, I've met one person after I first
talked about it publicly who told me about an encounter
that he had thirty years prior, and I had no
reason not to believe him, and honestly, I was excited
to hear about it. And he said he told his
family about it and they all laughed at him, and
he never talked about it again until he told me
about it. And it's like, well, that's amazing. You know
that I felt like a safe space for him to
be able to talk about it, and you know, knowing
that he would be believed, and you know that to me,
that's that's all I can really hope for. Again, it's
not my job to make anyone believe, but I mean,
I don't think many days go by where at some
point I don't talk about Bigfoot to somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did that for him coming forward and revealing his
experience ever make you think about all these other people
you know, and the people you've interacted with on a
daily basis, who might have seen a sasquatch but you
don't know it because they haven't shared their experiences with you.
Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely, yeah, But.
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised if you knew how many? Why do
you think it was that that sasquatch revealed its presence
to you that day when it could have so easily
remained hidden. Now, I know it seems like you threw
that rock to possibly drive you out of the area,
but it could have driven you out of the area
without revealing its presence and showing itself to you.
Speaker 2: Right, you know again, just like I've always kind of
gotten the sense that it was a male and just
wanted us to leave. Something else that kind of goes
along with that that I've wondered. I've just wondered a lot.
It's like, was there possibly like a female or a
young one somewhere up ahead and it just wanted us
out of there? Or were we just in its area?
You know, I've I've shared this encounter on one other platform.
It's been a long time, and then I did report
it to the bfro and that county in Arkansas. My
encounter is the only one that's been reported to this
specific website, you know, But I've heard on different forums
that there have been reports of like an aggressive type
bigfoot in the Buffalo National River area. Like the two
closer towns to where I was at was Compton and Ponka,
And those are both so small, like you blink going
through it and you miss it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: There's just like I think most of those towns have
like a church and a bank and it's about it.
A couple outfitter places and gas station and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Well, there are a lot of sasquatch in Arkansas, So
what you saw is just the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Does it burn you at all? The MIC's convinced your
son the Sasquatch don't exist a little bit because by
him doing that, you can't just whenever you think he's
ready for it, you can't just openly talk about your
experience with him.
Speaker 3: Now, I'll always be open to talking about it, and if.
Speaker 2: He decides he doesn't believe, then that's totally up to him.
I'm not going to tell him he's wrong. I mean,
I've been really really into a bigfoot for like nine
years now, and I have no idea what it is,
you know. I feel like the more I learn, the
less I know, so like I'll never have all the answers,
and so I can't really tell him he's wrong. I
don't know, Like I know, I know what I saw,
but I don't know what it was. If that makes
any sense.
Speaker 1: No, that does make sense, and yeah, that's a true statement,
So nothing wrong with that at all. How about that
hair dresser friend who told you about those other experiences
people have had with sasquatch. How long did you wait
to tell her about your sighting?
Speaker 3: I told her I think possibly within a couple.
Speaker 2: Days, and at the time we had actually had a
little bit of falling out. We weren't really talking, but
I knew I needed to tell her because I mean,
I jokingly call her my bigfoot mom, and the client
she had who told her about it, I call him
my bigfoot grandpa, because it's like, Okay, you're who I
learned from it about and he's who you learned from
about it.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm even using words correctly right now,
but yeah, I sent her a message on Facebook messenger
and was like, I have to tell you what happened.
Speaker 3: And honestly, I think.
Speaker 2: That's a big part of why every time I share
the story it doesn't deviate far from the original. And
I think it's because I wrote it down right away.
When I was telling her what happened.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine the thoughts going through your head
when you told.
Speaker 3: Her, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she she still believes in all of that.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if she's had a encounter.
Speaker 2: I know she had gone camping with our friend Dennis
a Timer a few times, and I think there was
a night they had like thermal binoculars out there, and
I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they saw anything or not. It's
been a really long time since I heard the story, so.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's all right, no harm enough out there. But
having said that, I can't thank you enough for coming
on to share the details of those experiences with this Mallory.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate you having me on. It's been a
pleasure of chatting with you.
Speaker 1: Oh you're welcome. It's been fun. And if I can
ever help you, please let me know.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh you're welcome. Thanks again, so much for your time
and have a great night. That's it for another episode
of Bigfoot Eyewitness Radio with Vic Kundiff. If you've had
a sasquatch encounter and would like to be a guest
on the show, please go to Bigfoot eyewitness dot com
and submit a report.
Speaker 3: We'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, have a great night.