WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:04.879 What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Brian 2 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:08.759 Colberger and his team have decided that it's time to 3 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:14.839 launch their alternate suspect theory and file it with the court. However, 4 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:18.160 we don't have any information as the public yet as 5 00:00:18.199 --> 00:00:22.039 to who this so called alternate suspect or suspects are, 6 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:25.760 so that's kind of a mystery as of now, and 7 00:00:25.960 --> 00:00:30.800 according to the court documents, it's been sealed, so we're 8 00:00:30.839 --> 00:00:33.359 not going to have any idea of who this alternate 9 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:38.520 suspect is at least for now. And honestly, this shouldn't 10 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.759 come as a shock to anybody. Brian Colberger's team has 11 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:44.759 been positing this for quite some time, and now that 12 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.679 everything else they've tried has failed, it's time to unleash 13 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:51.479 the final Hail Mary, and that is to try and 14 00:00:51.560 --> 00:00:55.119 muddy the waters a bit by introducing this so called 15 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:59.600 mystery alternate suspect. Now, of course, Judge Hipler isn't just 16 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:03.200 going to accept Brian Colberger's word. They're going to have 17 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:06.920 to proffer evidence now that they filed this document, and 18 00:01:06.959 --> 00:01:09.599 they're gonna have to show some proof of their alternate 19 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:14.079 suspect theory. And if they don't show any proof of it. Obviously, 20 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:16.920 Judge Hipler is going to tell them to kick rocks. 21 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:18.959 And I think you're going to see a lot more 22 00:01:18.959 --> 00:01:23.120 of this moving forward in criminal cases in general, considering 23 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:26.799 how successful Karen Reid has been with her crazy ass 24 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:31.120 concocted story that John O'Keefe was jumped by a bunch 25 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:35.560 of police and ex police officers inside that home. And 26 00:01:35.680 --> 00:01:39.159 there's been some traction, right, And the reason there's been 27 00:01:39.159 --> 00:01:42.359 some traction, in my opinion, is because the investigation was 28 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.359 so porous, was so bad that it opened the door. 29 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:50.280 Now we haven't seen that here. However, with the new leaks, 30 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:52.920 it gives them a little bit of tread and it 31 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:55.920 gives them some tenable ground. Now, do I think they're 32 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:58.040 going to have the same kind of effect that we 33 00:01:58.159 --> 00:02:03.079 saw in Massachusetts with Alan Jackson and mister Yanetti. No, 34 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:06.680 but it certainly gives Brian Colberger at least some kind 35 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:10.120 of defense, because short of this, I don't know how 36 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:12.879 anyone could think that Brian Colberger has any kind of 37 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:17.000 shot of getting off. Now, there might be some discipline 38 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:20.319 coming to the prosecution over the leaks, and if that's 39 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.960 the case, then Colberger might escape the death penalty. But 40 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.879 I don't know how anyone could possibly think with the 41 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.879 evidence we've seen that Brian Colberger is going to beat 42 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:33.319 these charges because it's certainly not looking good for him. 43 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:35.840 So what do you do when you're down by three 44 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:40.680 touchdowns and times running out? You throw that hell, Mary right. 45 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:45.000 Today's article is from Delhimel and the headline I had 46 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:50.000 a whole murder bombshell. Brian Colberger names another suspect. This 47 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:54.639 article was authored by Rachel Sharp. Brian Colberger is named 48 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:57.400 an alternate suspect who he claims is the real killer 49 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:00.319 of the University of Idaho's students in a bomb shell 50 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:03.919 move just weeks before he goes to trial for his life. 51 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:08.800 The quadruple homicide suspect returned to the courtroom in Ada County, 52 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:12.319 Idaho on Thursday morning, where a judge Stephen Hipler is 53 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:15.439 expected to make a series of last ditch decisions that 54 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:19.560 will shape his looming capital murder trial this summer. In 55 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.639 an eleventh hour move to save him from the firing squad, 56 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:26.240 the thirty year old suspected killers defense took the explosive 57 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:30.520 step of pointing the finger at another suspect. I don't 58 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.960 really think it's that explosive. The fact that he filed 59 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:37.159 it finally cool, that's great, But this is something that 60 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:40.479 I think anybody who is seasoned and who follows this 61 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:44.879 sort of thing expected. Brian Colberger said from the very beginning, 62 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:50.479 it wasn't him, So that automatically means there's an alternate suspect. Right, So, 63 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:53.280 where's the big bombshell? Now, if you gave it a name 64 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:56.039 up and you said so and so's the person, Yeah, 65 00:03:56.039 --> 00:04:00.360 that's a big bombshell. But just filing the motion that 66 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:04.639 was expected. The question is what does Brian Cooberger have 67 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:09.240 to back up what he's saying. Who this suspect is 68 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:12.039 and what evidence the defense has that could tie them 69 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.879 to the brutal murders remains a mystery. The judge ordered 70 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.800 that the filing remains under seal, keeping it cloaked in 71 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:24.480 secrecy until trial. The Criminology PhD students defense team has 72 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.879 previously revealed plans to argue that he was framed and 73 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:31.959 that two killers must have committed the shocking crime. And 74 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:34.240 of course we all know that people are out here 75 00:04:34.279 --> 00:04:36.839 saying that it was the two roommates Bethany and Dylan 76 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:40.639 who were involved and look, that makes for a great story, 77 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.079 right and as a content creator, that would be gold 78 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:45.480 something like that happens. 79 00:04:45.480 --> 00:04:48.199 Forget it. I just don't believe it's true. 80 00:04:48.720 --> 00:04:50.600 And I'm not going to sit here and pump some bullshit, 81 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:53.279 you know, into your tires and tell you folks, oh yeah, this, 82 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:56.240 this and this if I don't feel it's true, just 83 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:59.800 to get clicks. There's plenty other people that are out 84 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:01.759 there that are going to pitch you some bullshit. We're 85 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.439 not gonna do that here. What I will say is this, 86 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:07.720 I am more than willing to look at whatever evidence 87 00:05:07.759 --> 00:05:11.560 Brian Colberger has. As I've said before, I don't just 88 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:15.279 believe the government. I believe the evidence. And if Colberger 89 00:05:15.319 --> 00:05:18.240 has some evidence saying somebody else did this, let's see it. 90 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:25.519 Judge Hipler gave Colberger's attorneys a deadline of May twenty 91 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:29.120 third to hand over whatever actual evidence you have that 92 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:34.920 supports those allegations other than just allegations. So in court, right, 93 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:38.720 Brian Colberger, he doesn't have to prove anything. The burden 94 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:41.120 of proof is on the state. But the second that 95 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:44.639 you start talking about alternate suspects, that changes things a bit. 96 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:47.480 Now you have to show the court some evidence as 97 00:05:47.560 --> 00:05:50.319 to why so and so should be involved. You can't 98 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:52.720 just say Tom Dick and Harry did it from down 99 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:54.800 the block. The judge is going to ask you what 100 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:57.639 evidence you have and if you say trust me, bro, 101 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.639 well we all know how that's gonna work. So they 102 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:02.800 better have some evidence to back up what they're saying. 103 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:05.759 And during that last hearing, Judge Hipler wasn't playing with 104 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:08.759 either side. He told them both they better not be 105 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:11.279 playing games and they better have the evidence to back 106 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:14.920 up the things that they're saying. He also ordered the 107 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:18.160 defense to provide for me how it is you believe 108 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:22.800 that what you're offering is admissible at trial. The state 109 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.199 will then have until June sixth to respond to the 110 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:28.959 defense claims before the two sides battle it out in 111 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.160 a hearing later that month. The judge will then rule 112 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:34.959 whether or not the jury can hear about this alternate 113 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:38.439 suspect that trial. And I can tell you right now, 114 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.759 all these goofy ass content creators are praying every night 115 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:46.079 that that's the case. They want another Karen Reid type 116 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:49.720 deal more than you can imagine. They want it to 117 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:52.560 be a circus. They want this to be thrown into chaos. 118 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.079 That's what they want and that's why they pitch all 119 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:58.319 this alternate bullshit. But the facts are what they are, 120 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:01.519 and wherever the facts leader us is where we're going 121 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:04.680 to go. And so far, what I can tell you, 122 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:07.839 and I can say this definitively, is I have seen 123 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:12.439 zero evidence of any alternate suspect, not one bit of it. 124 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:13.120 Now. 125 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:16.279 Of course, that doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I'm 126 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:19.680 just telling you from my own experience covering this story 127 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:23.879 from literally the day after it happened, I haven't seen 128 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:26.319 one bit of evidence that points me to anybody else 129 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:30.079 but Brian Coolberger, Now, is there a big frame job happening. 130 00:07:30.639 --> 00:07:32.759 I'll let you be the judge of that, but you 131 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.399 all know how I feel about those kinds of big claims, right. 132 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:39.199 If you're making big claims, you better have big evidence. 133 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:41.920 And if you don't, well we're not starting off on 134 00:07:41.959 --> 00:07:45.800 the right foot. The explosive move from Coburger's team comes 135 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:49.160 less than a week after Bombshell. New details emerged in 136 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:52.040 the case, including his phone calls to a family member 137 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:56.560 after the murders, his chilling porn choices, and disturbing online 138 00:07:56.600 --> 00:08:01.360 searches about serial killer Ted Bundy Colberger is facing the 139 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:05.000 death penalty if convicted of the brutal murders of Kailee Gonsalvez, 140 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.639 Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, which is in 141 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:12.480 jeopardy at this point in my opinion because of the leaks. 142 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.120 That's something to keep in mind, and I think that 143 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.199 it has some legs considering the penalty we saw with 144 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:22.959 Lori Vaalo and the prosecution slow walking evidence and discovery 145 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:26.800 in Idaho. So there's precedent for that already. And when 146 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:29.480 there's precedent, well, we all know how the courts love that. 147 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:34.600 Before University Idaho students were all slaughtered in Ahura knife 148 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:39.039 attack in the early hours of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, 149 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:42.120 inside an off campus student home at eleven twenty two 150 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:45.960 King Rhoad in Moscow, Idaho that the three women shared 151 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:49.879 with two other roommates. The two roommates, Bethany Funk and 152 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:54.039 Dylan Mortenson, survived, with Mortensen coming face to face with 153 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:58.240 the mass killer inside the home that haunting Knight. On 154 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:02.279 December thirtieth, twenty twenty two, around six weeks from the massacre, 155 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:06.320 Colberger was arrested at his parents' home in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania, 156 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:10.559 and charged with the murders. He stood silent at his arraignment, 157 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.519 and a not guilty plea was entered on his behalf. Now, 158 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:18.480 after more than two years of delays and legal wrangling, 159 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.120 including the trial being moved to another county, the suspected 160 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:25.039 killer who struck terror into the heart of a safe, 161 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:29.320 tight knit college town is finally heading to trial. And 162 00:09:29.320 --> 00:09:31.000 this is what I mean when I say Coburger has 163 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.639 gotten a fair shake. Then you changes delays, you name it. 164 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:38.879 So anybody saying that Colberger isn't getting a fair shake 165 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:41.919 is bullshitting. And if you don't believe me, just ask 166 00:09:42.039 --> 00:09:47.440 El Choppo or El Mayo how they're being treated. Jerry 167 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:51.000 selection is slated to begin July thirtieth, with a trial 168 00:09:51.200 --> 00:09:55.360 getting underway August eleventh. During Thursday's hearing, the judge began 169 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:57.840 by going through the nuts and bolts of how the 170 00:09:57.919 --> 00:10:01.480 trial will take shape and warning both sides that he 171 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:05.240 doesn't want evidence issues to crop up and cause delays 172 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.840 once it is underway. Judge Hipler's not messing around, and 173 00:10:09.960 --> 00:10:12.960 both sides better understand that Judge Hipler is not the 174 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:16.000 one to play with. We're not talking about Judge Beverly 175 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:20.039 Canoni here, of folks. I'm not a fan of surprises, 176 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.440 as you may have figured out by now, he warned. 177 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.759 The judge outlined jury selection process, revealing he plans to 178 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:30.720 have aid alternates as opposed to the typical number of six, 179 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:34.840 taking the full panel up to twenty. He said he 180 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:37.840 would not go into specific details about the jury questionnaires 181 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:41.039 and instructions during the public hearing so as not to 182 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:46.240 impact potential panelists. However, what potential jurors know about the case, 183 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:49.919 their views on the death penalty, and any media bias 184 00:10:49.960 --> 00:10:53.279 they may have will all be key questions in selecting 185 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:56.440 the jury. The judge said that he does not intend 186 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.679 to sequester the jury, but that could change if necessary 187 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.919 once the trial gets underway. He also warmed both sides 188 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:06.240 that if they bump into any members of the jury 189 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:09.039 outside of court during the trial, to run the other 190 00:11:09.120 --> 00:11:13.120 away and report it. The jury selection process will not 191 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:16.159 be live streamed, but the rest of the trial will be. 192 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:18.759 And you know what, I think we're going to live 193 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:23.519 stream this trial, considering it's being broadcast right from the 194 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:27.039 actual live stream of the courthouse. I think we might 195 00:11:27.080 --> 00:11:30.919 just dive in and live stream this mofo as it happens. 196 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:33.639 I think that's going to be the only way to 197 00:11:33.799 --> 00:11:36.639 really have a handle on everything that goes down in 198 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:40.159 that courtroom. So that's the way I'm leaning right now. 199 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:43.000 And I'm not usually big on live streams, but with 200 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:46.039 something like this, your boy is willing to make an exception. 201 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:49.120 And also, like I was saying, I'm going to be 202 00:11:49.159 --> 00:11:51.960 heading up to Idaho for at least a little bit 203 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.960 of this trial. Whether it's during the ending or the 204 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:58.279 middle or whatever. I haven't decided yet, but you're a 205 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:02.320 boy will be at this trial at some point. Prosecutor 206 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:04.720 of Bill Thompson asked the judge for the live stream 207 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.240 video to be turned off for a number of the witnesses, 208 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:10.600 such as their surviving roommates, as well as members of 209 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:15.440 law enforcement whose identity should remain secret. The judge agreed 210 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:18.440 that his victims, Mortensen and Funk, can have their faces 211 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.360 shielded during the testimony if they wish. Seating will also 212 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:25.320 be reserved for the two survivors, as well as the 213 00:12:25.399 --> 00:12:29.679 victims' families and Coburger's immediate family members in the courtroom 214 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.519 for the duration of the trial. Well, that's fair. Brian 215 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:37.039 Colberger is not guilty yet. He should have his family there, right, 216 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:40.480 he should have whatever support system is willing to come out. 217 00:12:40.799 --> 00:12:42.960 So I'm glad to hear that Cohburger will have some 218 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:46.919 seats for his people. If Coleburger is convicted of the murders, 219 00:12:46.960 --> 00:12:49.720 the penalty phase, where the jury will decide whether or 220 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:52.240 not to send him to death row, will likely start 221 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.639 the next day, the judge said. Jurors will be sequestered 222 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:59.480 for that phase. The judge also revealed that issues about 223 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:03.080 a potential violation of the gag order has been raised 224 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:07.600 during closed door hearing earlier Thursday. A gag order of 225 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.240 some sorts, known as a non dissemination order, has been 226 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.879 in place since the early days of this case. It 227 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:20.399 bands attorneys representing parties, victims, or witnesses from speaking about 228 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:23.360 the case in a way that could have a substantial 229 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:28.720 likelihood of materially prejudicing or otherwise influencing the outcome of 230 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.919 the case. It's not clear which side raised the issue 231 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:34.519 or why, but it comes days after a New Dayline 232 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:38.600 episode aired revealing never before seen details about Colberger's cell 233 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:42.279 phone records, calls, and photos found on his phone, and 234 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:45.159 we know now obviously that that has to do with 235 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:49.919 a alleged leak from the prosecution side that gave this 236 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:53.919 information to Dayline. So that's something that's being dealt with 237 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.919 right now by Judge Hipler, who has now launched this investigation. 238 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:05.759 So we'll see what where that all goes. Judge Hipler 239 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:08.440 said that he's ordering both sides to retain their records 240 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:10.919 in the case and is open to the appointment of 241 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.799 a special prosecutor who could subpoenal witnesses to dig into 242 00:14:14.799 --> 00:14:17.840 the matter. As part of the hearing, the judge could 243 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:20.759 make a decision on some final pieces of evidence jurors 244 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:25.039 might see a trial. Among the final pieces of evidence 245 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:30.279 still at play is Cohberger's Eerie Criminology research paper, intricately 246 00:14:30.480 --> 00:14:33.600 detailing the fictional crime scene about a woman being stabbed 247 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:37.159 to death at a trailer park. Phone records and bank 248 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:40.000 transactions for both the accused killer and some of the 249 00:14:40.039 --> 00:14:44.039 alleged victims, as well as surveillance footage from locations close 250 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.159 to the crime scene, are also likely to be discussed. 251 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:51.480 The high profile trial is expected to last around three months, 252 00:14:51.799 --> 00:14:57.519 barring the sentencing phase. If convicted, Colberger faces the death penalty, and, 253 00:14:57.679 --> 00:15:02.000 following recent changes in Idaho's law, he may even face 254 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:06.759 the firing squad. To date, thirteen separate defense efforts to 255 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:09.480 take the death penalty off the table have been denied 256 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.279 by the judge, including one where they cited his autism 257 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:17.639 diagnosis as a reason to block capital punishment from the case. 258 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:21.799 The judge has also dealt the series of other blows 259 00:15:21.799 --> 00:15:25.639 to Colburger's defense strategy in recent weeks, ruling that jurors 260 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.399 can hear the harrowing nine to one one call made 261 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.879 by the victim's surviving roommates and see their panic texts 262 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:36.519 after Mortensen saw the mass killer inside their home. The 263 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:40.559 judge also ruled against Colburger in allowing Mortensen to describe 264 00:15:40.559 --> 00:15:44.120 the man inside her home using the term bushy eyebrows. 265 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:49.360 Jurors will also be able to see Colburger's Amazon shopping history, 266 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:53.159 which prosecutors say reveal he bought a k bar knife 267 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:57.120 sheath and sharpener from Amazon. Back in March of twenty 268 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:01.080 twenty two. A matching sheath was found next to Mogen's body, 269 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:04.159 with DNA on the sheath being traced back to Coburger. 270 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:09.639 The murder weapon has never been found. Since last court 271 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:12.080 hearing in April, it has come to light that Colberger 272 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:15.039 placed a series of phone calls to his dad, Michael Kolberger, 273 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:19.000 just two hours after the stabbing spree. The thirty year 274 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:22.960 old criminology PhD student called his dad three times on 275 00:16:23.000 --> 00:16:27.000 the morning of November thirteenth, twenty twenty two, according to 276 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:32.279 explosive cell phone records obtained by NBC's Dateline. Now, I 277 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:36.200 wonder where they got all of this information. Obviously has 278 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.919 to be somebody that's close to the investigation, right you 279 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:41.120 would think anyway, But I guess we just have to 280 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.919 wait for this investigation that Judge Hipler has launched to 281 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:47.720 get some information and get some answers. 282 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:49.440 But as far as the rest of. 283 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.080 This article goes, it just goes over the stuff that 284 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:54.679 we've talked about already. So we're not going to dive 285 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.039 any deeper than where we did, and we're going to 286 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.679 finish up this article right here because it gives us 287 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.240 what we were looking for, and that was talking about 288 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.759 this alternate suspect. And honestly, that's something that I've expected 289 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.079 for quite some time. The fact that they're going to 290 00:17:11.160 --> 00:17:14.200 launch this now and we're going to at least have 291 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:16.839 the motion filed and we're going to have it sealed. 292 00:17:17.640 --> 00:17:20.559 Says that at least they have something cooking. The question 293 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:23.839 is is it going to be significant and be enough 294 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:28.039 to be admitted as evidence. So we'll continue to follow 295 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:31.200 along and when we have some more information of value, 296 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:33.559 will make sure we get it added to the catalog. 297 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:35.960 But until then, that's going to do it for this one. 298 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:38.920 All of the information that goes with this episode can 299 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:42.440 be found in the description box. S't up, everyone, and 300 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:47.279 welcome back to the program. Brian Kohberger's defense team is 301 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:51.599 claiming that there were DNA profiles of three other men 302 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:55.440 present at the scene of the crime. Now, when this 303 00:17:55.519 --> 00:17:58.440 crime first occurred, if you go back, we were talking 304 00:17:58.480 --> 00:18:01.880 about how the whole entire house is going to be 305 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:05.839 a DNA nightmare for the technicians trying to go through 306 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.680 all of this DNA, and we also discussed how it 307 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:12.480 could be pretty difficult considering that this was a party house. 308 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:16.079 So the fact that other DNA profiles were found here 309 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:20.079 doesn't shock me at all. The question that everybody should 310 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:23.640 be asking is how many of those DNA profiles were 311 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.480 found on that knife? Sheath, and that's going to be 312 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:29.839 the issue for Brian Koberger and his defense team. I 313 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:32.000 know we beat that dead horse all the time here, 314 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:34.920 but I want to keep reiterating the fact that that's 315 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:36.960 what they're going to have to do. And if the 316 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:41.680 DNA of those other three alleged people are not on 317 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:44.799 that knife sheath, then they can allege all of the 318 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:48.599 DNA profiles present at the scene that they want, But 319 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:51.720 that doesn't mean that those profiles were people that were 320 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:55.960 involved in these murders. Their DNA isn't on the knife sheath, 321 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:59.559 and until his defense team can explain that away, that's 322 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:01.680 going to be se the glue that binds all of 323 00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:04.960 this together. Today we have an article from The Independent 324 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:09.200 and the headline Brian Coberger claims DNA from three other 325 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:13.640 men found that the scene of Idaho murders. Mister Coberger's 326 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:17.599 attorneys are fighting against the state's use of genetic genealogy 327 00:19:17.960 --> 00:19:21.279 to tie him to the brutal murders of Klee Gonsalves, 328 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:26.200 Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and Xana Kernodle. This article was 329 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:32.440 authored by Rachel Sharp. Accused killer Brian Coberger has insisted 330 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:35.559 that he has no connection to the Force Lane University 331 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:39.279 of Idaho students, and has claimed that DNA from three 332 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:44.279 other unidentified men was also found at the Grizzly crime scene. 333 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.799 And of course the defense doesn't elaborate about those other 334 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:51.519 profiles who they could be. Instead, like I said earlier, 335 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:54.640 they're going to try the unknown assailant route to try 336 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:57.200 and get people to think that somebody else could have 337 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:00.160 done this, the same way Alec Murda tried to say 338 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:02.759 that two people showed up to kill his wife and 339 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:05.359 his son, and there was a bunch of people that 340 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:09.079 bought into that bs before the child started talking about 341 00:20:09.119 --> 00:20:11.799 how he was gonna get off, how the States case 342 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.720 was weak, it was all built on circumstantial evidence. Well, 343 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:18.920 how did that end up for him? And unless Brian 344 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.319 Coberger's legal team has something up their sleeve here and 345 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:25.480 they can prove something to us, well it's gonna be 346 00:20:25.559 --> 00:20:28.599 the same fate for Brian Coberger. And I know he 347 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:32.119 doesn't have to prove that he's innocent. He's considered innocent 348 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:35.759 until he's proven guilty, But that doesn't mean you don't 349 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:38.519 have to back up your assertions in court. If you 350 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:40.920 say that there were other people who were involved here, 351 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:44.240 You're gonna have to provide a scenario that the jury 352 00:20:44.359 --> 00:20:46.519 is going to believe. And if you don't have any 353 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:51.599 sort of evidence about these alleged unknown assailants, then why 354 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:55.599 would the jury believe anything that you're talking about, especially 355 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.279 when it's your DNA all over that knife sheath. So again, 356 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:02.599 that is the thing that looms large here when it 357 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:06.559 comes to getting a conviction against Brian Kolberger in my opinion, 358 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.359 and that's why you're going to see his defense go 359 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:13.160 so crazy to try and get this thrown out. They're 360 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:17.039 calling genetic genealogy a new science and they're going to 361 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:20.359 try and bust it with the technicality. That's what they're 362 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:23.440 trying to do here. They want this thrown out because 363 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:26.920 they understand this is the strongest piece of evidence that 364 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:32.319 the prosecution has unveiled thus far. Court documents filed by 365 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:35.480 the attorneys for the twenty eight year old PhD student 366 00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:39.799 last week argue that DNA from two other men was 367 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:44.720 also found inside the off campus student home in Moscow, Idaho. 368 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:47.960 DNA from a third unknown man was also found on 369 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.359 a glove outside the property on November twentieth, one week 370 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:56.279 after the murders occurred, the document state, and remember that 371 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:01.359 glove was found by some investigator, podcaster, whatever, seven days 372 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:04.319 after these murders occurred. So that's what they're hanging their 373 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:07.319 hat on as the defense. Oh, we found this glove 374 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:10.599 out here, so it must belong to whoever committed these murders. 375 00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:13.359 I mean, for real, that's what you're gonna pin your 376 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:17.359 hopes on. That and the unknown assailant theory. Huh okay, 377 00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:20.920 I mean, I guess, but remember we just watched Lori 378 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:26.759 Valo get absolutely broadsided in Idaho court trying to bring 379 00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:31.680 the same kind of defense. By December seventeenth, twenty twenty two, 380 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:36.119 lab analysts were aware of two additional males DNA within 381 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:40.480 the house where the deceased were located, and another unknown 382 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:44.279 male DNA on a glove found outside the residence on 383 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:49.200 November twentieth of twenty twenty two. Mister Cohberger's attorney, Jay 384 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:52.880 logsd In rights in the filing. To this date, the 385 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:55.880 defense is unaware of what sort of testing, if any, 386 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:02.240 was conducted on these samples other than str DNA profiles. Further, 387 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:06.519 these three separate and distinct male DNA profiles were not 388 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:10.880 identified through codis leading to the conclusion that the profiles 389 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:14.079 do not belong to mister Coburger. So you mean to 390 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:16.559 tell me that other DNA was found in this room 391 00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:21.079 in this house. Wow, I'm shocked, considering it is a 392 00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:24.480 well known house where people were partying, where there were 393 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:28.160 random people just showing up and hanging out, even while 394 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:31.200 the owners or the renters i should say, of this 395 00:23:31.319 --> 00:23:35.160 property weren't home. So anyone should be shocked that there's 396 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:39.599 other DNA profiles present at the scene. We talked about 397 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:41.799 this when this all went down, and how it was 398 00:23:41.839 --> 00:23:44.359 going to be quite the puzzle for them to figure 399 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:48.400 out who's who and if the person who's responsible's DNA 400 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:52.160 profile is present at the house. But the one thing 401 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:56.240