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<v Speaker 1>Coming to you from Iconic Studio a here at proven

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<v Speaker 1>Winter's color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>radio and YouTube show with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick Weist,

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<v Speaker 1>and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson. Well, Stacey, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems strange to me that we're already at this time

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<v Speaker 1>of the year winter protection. But it's the time of

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<v Speaker 1>year where we do have to think about our plants

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<v Speaker 1>and putting them to bed for winter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true. And you know a lot of people if

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<v Speaker 2>they think that a plant needs protection for winter, either

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<v Speaker 2>because they have experienced it getting winter damage or they

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<v Speaker 2>just think that it needs protection. The fact is that

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<v Speaker 2>now that plants are almost completely dormant, is the time

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. Way over September or October when they

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<v Speaker 2>were actually still actively metabolizing and going into dormancy. Now

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<v Speaker 2>that they're asleep, now we can talk protection.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great point. And you know, as a lifelong gardener,

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<v Speaker 1>my attention right away steers towards every and winter burn.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like human skin, evergreen trees, broad leaf evergreens

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<v Speaker 1>can struggle to find enough moisture during the winter months.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate that about winter. I hate dry air and

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<v Speaker 1>low moisture levels in the air and soil create an

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<v Speaker 1>arid environment, and that's when we see things like winter

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<v Speaker 1>burn on things like boxwood or rhododendrons or even your

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<v Speaker 1>typical evergreens in the landscape. So going into winter and

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<v Speaker 1>making sure that they have the proper amount of water,

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<v Speaker 1>the proper amount of mulch, and in some cases even

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<v Speaker 1>an anti desconate spray, these are things that have to

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<v Speaker 1>be on our minds, Stacy, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know it's so true. I think that by and large,

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<v Speaker 2>many people feel like they need to protect stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't actually need protecting. But you said a mouthful with mulch,

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<v Speaker 2>Because if there is one thing that people should be

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<v Speaker 2>doing for plant protection, it is malt. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>mean a rubber mulch. I mean a shredded or, if

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<v Speaker 2>you are lucky and from the south, a beautiful pine

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<v Speaker 2>straw mulch something over the roots of those plants to

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<v Speaker 2>keep them insulated, to conserve moisture, and honestly, for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part, that's all most plants really need, even the

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<v Speaker 2>evergreens and barn leaf evergreens that you talk about, if

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<v Speaker 2>they are well watered, going into dormancy, and they have

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<v Speaker 2>that layer of mulch that can make way more difference

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<v Speaker 2>than even like a burlap wrapp or an antidessican cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely here here. Thank you very mulch Stacey for saying that,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're right, and you know, I've found in gardening

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<v Speaker 1>what really causes problems is not necessarily the intensity of

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<v Speaker 1>cold or the intensity of heat, but it's when you

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<v Speaker 1>get abrupt shifts in temperature, whether it's soil temperature or

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<v Speaker 1>the plants, it can create some real problems. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course sun scaled frost cracking, that sort of thing in plants.

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<v Speaker 1>When we get a sunny January day and then at

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<v Speaker 1>night it just drops like a brick, that's when you

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<v Speaker 1>can really get some big problems. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>very important to note here that there is a big

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<v Speaker 1>difference between a frost and winter. Winter. We're in it

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<v Speaker 1>for the long term. When we talk about a frost,

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about an overnight event. Now in that case,

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<v Speaker 1>with a frost, sometimes people will resort to a blanket

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<v Speaker 1>or plastic, But to do that for winter, that makes

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<v Speaker 1>no sense whatsoever the weight. But in addition to that,

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<v Speaker 1>don't use plastic in wrapping your plants, and heaven forbid

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<v Speaker 1>bubble wrap.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you can wrap your pots and bubble wrap if

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<v Speaker 2>you are so inclined. I feel like he needs you.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. When I was a rooftop gardener, we did that.

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<v Speaker 2>But do not use plastic to wrap your plants. Your

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<v Speaker 2>plants will not be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I had an employee and we had a fifty yard

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<v Speaker 1>roll of bubble wrap, asked me what to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well, just pop it in the corner, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was over there for four hours popping bubbles. Bad joke, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, But don't use a bubbles jo, It's just a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Southwest disease. When the sun shines on the bark of

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<v Speaker 1>a tree and it expands and contracts and then it splits,

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<v Speaker 1>that becomes a real problem too. And Stacy, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to ask you this on this topic because for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I have found that macrophilla hydranges I generally don't see

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<v Speaker 1>the damage in winter. I see them making it through winter,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we get in a thaw and a warm

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<v Speaker 1>up and the buds start to swell and then it

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<v Speaker 1>gets cold again. That's when I see the damage. Am

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<v Speaker 1>I right about that or not.

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<v Speaker 2>You are right that for a lot of people, the

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<v Speaker 2>majority of damage on your big leaf for Macrophilla hydranges

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<v Speaker 2>does occur with spring frost. So it happens all the

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<v Speaker 2>times us here in Michigan. And this is something that

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<v Speaker 2>can even happen in milder climates. But you know, those

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<v Speaker 2>days start getting long, warmer, the plants those gradually start

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<v Speaker 2>to expand their buds, and then you know, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>done with frost in April, We're not done with frost

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<v Speaker 2>in May. Very often, and when those come along and

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<v Speaker 2>zap a plant that has already started to expand its

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<v Speaker 2>green leaves, that bud inside that flower bud is increasingly unprotected.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is a very simple thing, a very simple

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<v Speaker 2>way to know if your hydrange of Macrophillo or big

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<v Speaker 2>leaf Hydrangea is being damaged by winter or spring. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's simply this. If in spring, when the plant starts

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<v Speaker 2>to leaf out, all of the growth is coming from

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<v Speaker 2>the ground and not on the stems, you know it

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<v Speaker 2>was winter damage. If you have growth on the stems,

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<v Speaker 2>you know when spring comes and it starts to grow

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<v Speaker 2>and you're seeing that emerge on those actual stems, and

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<v Speaker 2>your plant still doesn't go on to bloom in summer.

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<v Speaker 2>You either prune it, or someone else prune it, or

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<v Speaker 2>a deer prune it, or it was those spring freezes.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's an easy way to tell what the thing is.

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<v Speaker 2>And the simple fact is that fewer varieties of big

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<v Speaker 2>leaf Hydrangea, especially the Let's Dance series Let's Stance can

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<v Speaker 2>do Let's Dance, Skyview and Let's Dance areba. We're developed

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<v Speaker 2>to better withstand both the winter cold and the spring frost,

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<v Speaker 2>but not all Hydrangeas are the same.

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<v Speaker 1>So that makes that great way coy and a great

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<v Speaker 1>rule of green thumb. I like that. Of course, plants

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<v Speaker 1>will show us defense mechanisms. Rhododendrons will mope, the leaves

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<v Speaker 1>will fold on themselves, and remember a layer of snow

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<v Speaker 1>actually helps insulate plants many times. Dry cold is the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger threat roses, and fall into early winter give them

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of time to shut down, especially today's day and

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<v Speaker 1>age landscape roses. They're tough, they can take it, and

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<v Speaker 1>they need some time to shut down before winter. So

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<v Speaker 1>don't go into winter dry. And oh, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>when you put on the Christmas lights on shrubs, remember

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<v Speaker 1>what goes up must come down. That's why putting lights

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<v Speaker 1>on plants is best when it's really cold and uncomfortable outside.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't get into all kinds of detail and really

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<v Speaker 1>wrap them in there. Really good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just I didn't know where you were going with that,

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<v Speaker 2>but that is a very good point. You're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be much bigger of a hurry and not do that. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to wrap it around because then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when it is cold you're taking them down, that's when

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be likely to cause damage.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly exactly. So here's a limerick on winter protection for plants.

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<v Speaker 1>In life, there are no guarantees. I try to rely

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<v Speaker 1>on my expertise, but wow, I am feeling guilt, all

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<v Speaker 1>snuggled warm under my quilt while my roses outside freeze.

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<v Speaker 1>My winter protections were textbook in the preparations I undertook.

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<v Speaker 1>The night before Christmas, it was and frozen. Are my

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<v Speaker 1>hyghdrained juzz? That's a stretch on that rhyme. I thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>I can barely stand to look. I'll visit through the snow.

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<v Speaker 1>I trudge, give them encouragement, a nudge. Maybe next spring

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<v Speaker 1>they'll forgive me for forgiveness. I will plea. I sure

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<v Speaker 1>hope they won't hold a grudge. And you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of feel that way inside, nice and warm when

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<v Speaker 1>your plants are out there in the cold and stacey.

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<v Speaker 1>It brings up the point that taking a walk through

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<v Speaker 1>your landscape from time to time in winter, looking for

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<v Speaker 1>things like deer or rabbit damage, or maybe roots heaving

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<v Speaker 1>up out of the ground due to frost and thaw,

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<v Speaker 1>those are important things to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, who knows what you'll find. Really, all

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of crazy stuff can happen to winter. But I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you I don't feel very bad for my plants

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<v Speaker 2>in winter because, as we discussed in our moving in show,

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<v Speaker 2>most plants they do not want to be in your house.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, they will not be happy. You might think

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<v Speaker 2>that you're extrapolating your feelings and aw, I'm sitting here

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<v Speaker 2>by the fire and it's cozy and marvelous. The plant

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<v Speaker 2>is definitely happier outside. You can, I can promise, even

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to try it yourself, make a note

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<v Speaker 2>to try it next year. Bring in a hardy plant,

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<v Speaker 2>see how it does. Let us know. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>be discouraging, just saying.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, I agree, And if you have, of course

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<v Speaker 1>evergreens are broad leaf evergreens. I like the use of

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<v Speaker 1>anti descants or they're also called anti transpirants, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>basically just a pine resin spray that puts a coating

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<v Speaker 1>on the foliage. Because again, if the plant is calling

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<v Speaker 1>for some water and the roots say, hey, we're out

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<v Speaker 1>of business the ground is frozen, you can have some

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<v Speaker 1>real problems with evergreens. It also teaches you how important

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<v Speaker 1>microclimates are. Maybe these little coves in these areas around

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<v Speaker 1>your landscape where you have plants planted. It makes a

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<v Speaker 1>big difference as a matter of fact, in the Midwest

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<v Speaker 1>and in the north when the sun is really low

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<v Speaker 1>in the south in the winter time. But I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what, some structural protection on the north or east

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<v Speaker 1>side of the house can provide a lot of benefit

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<v Speaker 1>to plants. Don't be wrapping them like crazy with fabric. Yes, burlaps, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because it breathes. But remember, Stacy, anytime you wrap a plant,

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<v Speaker 1>if you do get snow nice, you can cause damage

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<v Speaker 1>through breakage.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, you know. I think the last couple of years,

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<v Speaker 2>as our winters have become kind of warmer. That means

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<v Speaker 2>the snow is heavier, wetter. The damage that I have

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<v Speaker 2>seen on plants, it's just like every year it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like it's getting worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, So there's all kinds of gimmicks. As a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of fact, I've thought about for the show coming

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<v Speaker 1>up with a new segment called gimricks. Okay, I'm kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thinking about that. Stay tuned for Branching News. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about a holiday plant that's been afflicted

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<v Speaker 1>by crazy marketing gimricks. But first, plants on trial. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>see how Stacey ties this together and what plant is

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<v Speaker 1>on trial this week on The Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Proven Winter's Color Choice Shrubs cares about your success in

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<v Speaker 2>the garden. That's why we trial and test all of

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<v Speaker 2>gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show

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<v Speaker 2>where we're talking about plant protection. And you might be

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<v Speaker 2>thinking to yourself, well, gee, thanks a lot. It is

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<v Speaker 2>late November. This is not useful. But the fact is

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<v Speaker 2>that it is useful. We did not just think of

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<v Speaker 2>this too late to help you. Most people who do

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<v Speaker 2>You were talking a lot about evergreens and broad leaf evergreens,

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<v Speaker 2>which may potentially need protection, like if you are pushing

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<v Speaker 2>your heartiness zone, or maybe you planted them in fall,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know if we don't recommend, but we know

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes you know, you roll the dice, and so

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes those things might need protection. Old fashioned roses, grafted roses,

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<v Speaker 2>Something so that you know. So if you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do those types of protection, yes, the plant should be

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<v Speaker 2>will lose its foliage. You don't necessarily know, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>with an evergreen, because it's not going to lose its leaves,

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<v Speaker 2>your plants are more or less dormant. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about it right now. But overall, the best

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<v Speaker 2>plant protection strategy, in my humble opinion, is to not

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<v Speaker 2>grow plants that need protection. Oh that's smart, I mean, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>my soil is. You know, the joy for me in

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<v Speaker 2>make it look good no matter what. The joy for

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<v Speaker 2>me in gardening is, you know, experimenting with plants, observing

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<v Speaker 2>the relationships that they create in the landscape with wildlife

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<v Speaker 2>and sex birds and all of that, and and just

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<v Speaker 2>liking the way that it looks. So my personal approach

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<v Speaker 2>is to not really plant things that need protection, and

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<v Speaker 2>if I do, I do have a plant that is

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<v Speaker 2>you know figs Chicago hardy fig is considered hardy to

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<v Speaker 2>like USDA's own six. But as is often the case

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<v Speaker 2>the plant will survive, not whether it will do any

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that you actually want it to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I e. Bear figs if it doesn't have that protection. So,

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<v Speaker 2>because I do want to avoid protect, you know, having

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<v Speaker 2>to like install things or work really hard at it,

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<v Speaker 2>house where two walls come together, and that provides the

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<v Speaker 2>protection that it needs andcroclimate little micro climate, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>knock on wood. My fig is getting bigger and producing

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful and bigger crops every single year. So I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're taking the Huey Lewis approach, taking what they're given

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, so, yeah, that's cool. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>have been visited a gardener once whose garden was on

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<v Speaker 2>a tour. He was in Oregon, so could obviously grow

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of really cool stuff. But you know, as

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<v Speaker 2>is so often the case for gardeners, the grass is

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<v Speaker 2>always greener. On the other side, he decided he wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to grow like all these desert plants, and the winters

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<v Speaker 2>in Oregon are fairly wet. These plants don't like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was building all these cacamami contraptions to protect

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<v Speaker 2>his plants over winter. And you know, more power to them.

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<v Speaker 2>If that is how you want to garden, I fully

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<v Speaker 2>support it. But overall, I don't want listeners to think

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<v Speaker 2>do well. It doesn't measure how long the cold persists.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't measure if the cold is mixed with snow,

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<v Speaker 2>needs protection. And I would say that one of the

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<v Speaker 2>candidates for protection potentially in your landscape is a broad

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<v Speaker 2>leaf evergreen. Now broad leaf evergreen, I feel like is

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<v Speaker 2>one of those terms that Gardner's horticulturists like you and

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<v Speaker 2>I throw around and just assume that everybody knows what

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<v Speaker 2>a moment to tell you what a broad leaf evergreen is,

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<v Speaker 2>even though I think if you think about it a

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<v Speaker 2>second you will figure it out. It is an evergreen

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<v Speaker 2>with broad leafs, So basically that means not a needle

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<v Speaker 2>or scale leafed evergreen like a conifer. So pines, spruces,

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<v Speaker 2>arborvideos are all needle or scale leafed evergreens. They are conifers.

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<v Speaker 2>A broad leaf evergreen is a plant with regular foliage

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<v Speaker 2>you would not necessarily know it was evergreen. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking about things like rhododendron, boxwood. Gardenia is another great example.

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<v Speaker 2>And in fact, the warmer your climates, the more broad

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<v Speaker 2>leaf evergreen options you're gonna have. Yes, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more for the South than there are for us in

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<v Speaker 2>the north, but that doesn't mean we don't have our options.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you grow a broad leaf evergreen, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>where you are at the number one, I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>two things actually, that you can use to protect your

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<v Speaker 2>broad leaf evergreen. Number one, plant it as early as

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<v Speaker 2>possible before the stressful weather sets in. Let it create

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<v Speaker 2>a nice, big, abundant root system for us before the

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<v Speaker 2>cold sets in. If you were in a hot climate,

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<v Speaker 2>it might be before the heat sets in. You want

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<v Speaker 2>to give it the longest possible window of establishment before

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<v Speaker 2>its biggest challenge confronts it. And Number two mulch, mulch,

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<v Speaker 2>mulch mulch. If you are again going to do one

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<v Speaker 2>thing to protect your plants every year, it should be

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<v Speaker 2>a good two to three inch layer of an organic mulchion.

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<v Speaker 2>When I say organic mulch, I don't mean like organic

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<v Speaker 2>vegetables made without pesticides. I mean made of something that's

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<v Speaker 2>going to decompose, because that's going to nurture the soil.

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<v Speaker 2>It provides the best environment for root growth and moisture conservation.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the key to success with any broad leaf evergreen,

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<v Speaker 2>including today's plant on trial skybox Japanese holly Ilex Karnata.

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<v Speaker 1>Great plant.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a great plant, and it's an interesting one

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<v Speaker 2>because I when I was younger, I had never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of it or noticed it or anything like that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I was aware of boxwooden and when I moved to

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<v Speaker 2>New York City to go to horticulture school Ilex Karnada,

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<v Speaker 2>Japanese holly was everywhere. It's in all the parks in

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<v Speaker 2>New York City. It was all around the New York

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<v Speaker 2>Botanical Garden where I went to school, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this is like, why aren't we grow a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people don't think that it's very hardy. And

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<v Speaker 2>and let people compare notes, more and more people are

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<v Speaker 2>finding that Japanese holly is hardier than they had expected.

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<v Speaker 2>And I can say, at least for us around here

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<v Speaker 2>in West Michigan rarely gets winter damage. Would you have changed? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody agree. Now, if you live a little more inland,

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<v Speaker 2>so you get towards Lancing, you're probably going to have

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<v Speaker 2>more issues than we have out here because we are

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<v Speaker 2>very often have snowcover when we hit those really really

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<v Speaker 2>cold temperatures. But Japanese holly is basically almost identical looking

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<v Speaker 2>to boxwood to the uninitiated, But it is easy to tell.

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<v Speaker 2>There's one simple trick that you can use to tell

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<v Speaker 2>the difference. Boxwood has opposite foliage and Japanese holly has

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<v Speaker 2>alternate foliage. So if you look and the leaves are

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<v Speaker 2>directly across from each other, it's a boxwood. If you

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<v Speaker 2>look and they are staggered, then it's a Japanese holly.

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<v Speaker 2>And a lot of people prefer the Japanese holly for

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of reasons. You know, obviously, le boxwood is

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<v Speaker 2>getting some diseases in some parts of the country. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a problem. Some people can't stand the smell of boxwood

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<v Speaker 2>correct And the thing we won't get into that. But

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing that's really special about Japanese holly in general,

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<v Speaker 2>but especially Skybox today's plant on trial, is that they

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<v Speaker 2>offer you the opportunity to have a unique form. Skybox

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<v Speaker 2>is a narrow, upright pyramiddle plant.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, it's all about the shape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, And most boxwoods, incidentally, that have that shape

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<v Speaker 2>tend to be a lot less hardy than the rounder

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<v Speaker 2>hedging boxwoods. They tend to be quite tender. So Japanese holly,

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<v Speaker 2>like Skybox, is an opportunity for you to have that beautiful, handsome,

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<v Speaker 2>narrow habits that people love. They love planting it around

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<v Speaker 2>their front door. They love planting it in containers while

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<v Speaker 2>still getting a Zone five hardiness, So it's a really

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<v Speaker 2>great opportunity there. You talked about Christmas lights. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a rate plant for lighting with Christmas lights because it

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<v Speaker 2>does have that nice narrow habit. But again, it is

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<v Speaker 2>a broad leaf evergreen. So this is a plant that

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<v Speaker 2>if you live in Michigan or in USDA Zone six,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna want to plant this in spring, give it

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<v Speaker 2>that nice long window of establishment and keep it mulched

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<v Speaker 2>so that you're going to maintain that nice, beautiful green foliage.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you consider it a front door kind of specimen plant?

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<v Speaker 2>I would consider it a front door specimen plant. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's how most people want to grow it. Of

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<v Speaker 2>course that is how I mostly see it, But I

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<v Speaker 2>also mostly see people's front yards, not their backyards, so

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<v Speaker 2>it is common to see it. But you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>people see the shape, I think that's where you know

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<v Speaker 2>immediately their brain goes, but you know you do. So

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<v Speaker 2>one nice thing about that is very often front yards

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<v Speaker 2>are kind of more protected because the house itself provides

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<v Speaker 2>some protection, so that can help a lot as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But really this is a plant that if well sighted

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<v Speaker 2>and well mulched. It's not going to need any protection.

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<v Speaker 2>And again planting it in spring and it's just going

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<v Speaker 2>to look great all your It maintains it's green foliage.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't bronze like box certain boxwood can. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>a great boxwood alternative. And I think just one of

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<v Speaker 2>those plants that has the shape that everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Wants so outstanding. And Stacey, we're talking about Ilex I

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<v Speaker 2>X Ilex krona yes, and the krenata refers to believes.

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<v Speaker 2>They have just the tiniest little crenations on the side,

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<v Speaker 2>just little sort of indense. You really have to look

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<v Speaker 2>closely for them. I'm not sure why linee is picked

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<v Speaker 2>up on that over anything else. A bit less shade

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<v Speaker 2>tolerant than boxwood and not quite as dear resistant, but

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<v Speaker 2>a great choice for all of the reasons that we

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<v Speaker 2>show notes at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com. You can

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<v Speaker 2>see more pictures of Skybox than you've seen on our

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel and decide if you're going to add it

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<v Speaker 2>to your garden next spring. We're gonna take a little

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<v Speaker 2>break when we come back we're opening up the mailbag,

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<v Speaker 2>so please stay tuned. At proven winner's color choice, We've

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<v Speaker 2>got a shrub for every taste and every space. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>the shrubs and the white containers have been trialed and

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<v Speaker 2>tested for your success. Look for them at your local

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<v Speaker 2>garden center. Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 2>Gardening Simplified Show, where it's our chance to help you

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<v Speaker 2>with your gardening problems. And I love that. I really

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<v Speaker 2>love helping people have those kind of aha moments where

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not looking to just say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you write me a question and I just say, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>do this now, go away. No, I want to give

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<v Speaker 2>you the information that you can use to make better

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<v Speaker 2>gardening decisions. And that's what I think we both you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's why we call it Gardening Simplified.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, And it's fun. It's fun to solve problems, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's fun to have success when when you make adjustments.

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoy it, never get tired of you know what.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fun to be stumped too. Oh, I really love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely I'm stumped all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm such about something, stump of a not gardening, usually

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<v Speaker 2>too much, but you never know. Plans get weirder the

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<v Speaker 2>more I go on in his career. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a gardening question for us, you can reach us

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<v Speaker 2>at help HLP at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com, or

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<v Speaker 2>just go to Gardening Simplified on air dot com. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a contact. From there you can add attach a photo.

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<v Speaker 2>You can even ask us a question in the comments

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<v Speaker 2>on our YouTube video, and Adriana will ask us if

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't know the answer herself. She answers all of

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<v Speaker 2>those questions, though, So what do we got this week?

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<v Speaker 1>Neil writes to us, after planting or transplanting a shrub,

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<v Speaker 1>should I stomp down the soil? I've read different positions.

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<v Speaker 1>One you must tighten up the soil for soil integrity,

449
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<v Speaker 1>so that the roots have the ability to grab and

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<v Speaker 1>take the other position is to not stomp as this

451
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<v Speaker 1>block's porters preventing water and oxygen flow. Help. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what to do, Neil. Great question. Neil has his

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<v Speaker 1>thinking cap on, and I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if he's done a scientific study. Stomped on

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<v Speaker 2>some and not some on others. But the answer, as

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<v Speaker 2>you may not be surprised to find out, is somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>in between. I would not generally recommend stomping the soil.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a little bit too much, I think, especially

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<v Speaker 2>probably for a man in big boots, you could definitely

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<v Speaker 2>do more damage than you need to do, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for walking walk And I have found in my opinion

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, normally just firming with your hands is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be more than enough, but you do want

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<v Speaker 2>to firm it quite well. And to me, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>so much about giving the roots something to grab onto

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<v Speaker 2>as it is just holding the plant upright.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think it's contingent on what's the soil like. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if it's a clay soil, you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to want to be stomping it. And of course I've

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<v Speaker 1>often talked about the fact that if you amend a

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<v Speaker 1>clay soil, you mix fifty to fifty with the amendment

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<v Speaker 1>and the existing parent soil. So I would agree with

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<v Speaker 1>you Stacy gardening with your hands and not necessarily your feet. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason that this has come along and why Neil

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<v Speaker 1>is thinking this is, Yeah, if you just dig a

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<v Speaker 1>hole and you throw a lightweight potting mix in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and you put the plant in the ground, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>hot and dry outside, and there's lots of poor space

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<v Speaker 1>around the roots. Odds are that plant may dry out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely. That's a good point too. But you shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>do that. You should use your natural soil as much

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<v Speaker 2>as you come. But you're right about the clay soil.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you have a heavy clay soil and

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<v Speaker 2>you're stomping on it, then you're gonna have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of clay in the tread of those boots, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>no one wants that. No one needs extra weight on

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<v Speaker 2>their boots. I also think it depends.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I am an adamant do not water the hole when

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<v Speaker 2>I plant gardener, but there are a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>out there who like to water the hole and to

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<v Speaker 2>water the soil before they plant. And in that case,

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<v Speaker 2>you do need to be more careful with wet soil,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is actually easier to destroy the structure of

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<v Speaker 2>wet soil than it is of you know, dry or

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<v Speaker 2>reasonably not wet soil. That's why you know gardens and

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<v Speaker 2>so forth parks ask you to not walk on the grass,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when it's wet. It just makes it a lot

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<v Speaker 2>easier for it to get compacted. So if you are

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of person who insists on watering the soil

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<v Speaker 2>in the hole before you plant in it, then I

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<v Speaker 2>would definitely recommend it taking a more gentle approach. But

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<v Speaker 2>for most people, I think firming with your hands should

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<v Speaker 2>be more than enough. It gives you a chance to actually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, get in there and make sure it's all

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<v Speaker 2>tucked in nicely and make any adjustments. And yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>think generally speaking of foot is overkilled, so.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in for a root awakening. Firm press not stop,

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<v Speaker 1>please all right? Good? Debbie writes to us, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a Chinese hibiscus tree that lost all its leaves this summer.

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<v Speaker 1>It is back beautiful. How do I overwinter this beauty?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? So, now I have not really heard the term

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese hibiscus for this plant.

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<v Speaker 1>I was leaning on you because I have not.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I looked it up and well, I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to make sure that I was answering Debbie's question correctly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not answering her question about a plant that

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<v Speaker 2>she's not actually growing. And the answer was right in

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<v Speaker 2>front of me all along. It is tropical hibiscus as

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<v Speaker 2>we normally call it, Hibiscus rosa senensus, and senensus means

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese and Latin, so that would be why some people

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<v Speaker 2>would call this a Chinese hibiscus tree.

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<v Speaker 1>The tree should not lose its leaves in summer because

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<v Speaker 1>it's hot and humid in summer and they love that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it shouldn't, but if it gets extremely stressed, it could.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you never know, like you so, but this

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<v Speaker 2>is the same tropical hibiscus that people buy for summer

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<v Speaker 2>color with a big satellite type of flowers, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>planted on their patio might be braided. But say you

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<v Speaker 2>go on vacation or something like that and it dries out,

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<v Speaker 2>it would very likely lose its leaves. The plant wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily die, but it will respond to that drought stress

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<v Speaker 2>by dropping all of its leaves.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you overwinter it indoors, odds are you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to lose the leaves.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm gonna say to you is, Debbie, I hate

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<v Speaker 2>to break it to you, but this is not the

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<v Speaker 2>last time you've seen this. Normally evergreen plant lose its leaves.

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<v Speaker 1>What doesn't mean it has to die.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it doesn't mean it's dying, it's you know this.

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<v Speaker 2>So tropical hibiscus like this are lovely plants, and people

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<v Speaker 2>usually do shell out for them because they cost a

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<v Speaker 2>bit more than you know, your average summer annual, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can't blame them for wanting to bring them indoors.

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<v Speaker 2>But and it is possible to overwinter them indoors. You

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<v Speaker 2>want to keep them as bright and cool as possible,

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<v Speaker 2>so they definitely shouldn't be freezing, but they don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to be hot. They want to be in cool area

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<v Speaker 2>with good air circulation. They shouldn't be overwatered, but nor

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<v Speaker 2>should they dry out. So you kind of have that,

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<v Speaker 2>have to have that, you know, just right Goldilocks scenario

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<v Speaker 2>for them. But even if you have that, short of

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<v Speaker 2>having a conservatory, this is one of those plants it

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<v Speaker 2>is going to respond to being broad indoors by dropping

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<v Speaker 2>some foliage. Absolutely, so don't panic. Just try to get

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<v Speaker 2>it through this winter and then hopefully you'll be able

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<v Speaker 2>to put it out next spring once another starts to

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<v Speaker 2>get nice, and it should hopefully be a lot happier, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, if you back off on the water. Best case

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<v Speaker 1>scenario in my opinion, is a brightly lit a window

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<v Speaker 1>in an unheated bedroom. But who has an unheated bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>in their house? I guess some people do.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you'd ever know. We can always close the events,

564
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<v Speaker 2>you know, and then if you have a guest, you

565
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<v Speaker 2>can open them back up and make your guests comfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>But again, gonna drop leaves, but you know what, it'll

567
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<v Speaker 1>make it. Yeah, and next spring, as the days get longer,

568
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<v Speaker 1>you can bring this. It's going to have this phoenix

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<v Speaker 1>rise from the ashes, and you just have.

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<v Speaker 2>To stick with it through it through its awkward phase. Here. Now, Rick,

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<v Speaker 2>this next question I thought was perfect for you. Laurie

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<v Speaker 2>is wondering may I still plant grass seed considering how

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<v Speaker 2>warm this fall has been.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great question. Because of the extended season

575
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<v Speaker 1>so here in the North or in Michigan, generally we

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<v Speaker 1>recommend planting grass seed in September. Grass Seed blends will

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<v Speaker 1>take anywhere between twelve to thirty days to germinate, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you need some growth and opportunity for the grass

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<v Speaker 1>to grow before the ground freezes. You can also do

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<v Speaker 1>something called dormant seeding, where you put down grass seed

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<v Speaker 1>before winter and then it will germinate next spring, some

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<v Speaker 1>of it becomes bird feed. But you know, if you've

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<v Speaker 1>got an area where you need to seed, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's worth trying. But late November highly unusual. That's something

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<v Speaker 1>we would consider dormant seeding.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so what about in a warmer climate.

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<v Speaker 1>In a warmer climate, you probably could. Again, with what

588
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<v Speaker 1>we're experiencing as far as the climate is concerned, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have some measure of success. I think ideally

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<v Speaker 1>September October that's the time to be seeding lawns arguably

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<v Speaker 1>the best time of the year to be seeding along.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's getting a little bit late now for

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<v Speaker 2>grass seed. Now, I would say if you have grass

594
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<v Speaker 2>seed that you're just trying to get rid of through winter,

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<v Speaker 2>then I would say go ahead and put it down.

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<v Speaker 2>If you did that, would you put hay or straw

597
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<v Speaker 2>or something over it to kind of help protect some

598
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<v Speaker 2>of it from the eaten vibery could do that.

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<v Speaker 1>There are also paper mulches that you can purchase that

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<v Speaker 1>almost make it look like you're hydro seeding, and you'll

601
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<v Speaker 1>see contractors doing that also late in the season or

602
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<v Speaker 1>along highways. And again, some of that seed is going

603
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<v Speaker 1>to end up germinating next spring, some of it's going

604
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<v Speaker 1>to wash away, some of it's going to become bird feed.

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<v Speaker 1>But bear soil is not a natural condition, so you

606
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<v Speaker 1>have to do something. And for many people they don't

607
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<v Speaker 1>want to seed in spring because they want to be

608
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<v Speaker 1>applying a crab grass control and you can't do that

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<v Speaker 1>along with seed. So you know, i'd say, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you have the seed, I'd take a shot at it.

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<v Speaker 2>So don't buy seed right now in an effort of well,

612
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<v Speaker 2>you never know, and there's a lot of unscrupulous people

613
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<v Speaker 2>out there who will just be like, you know, someone

614
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<v Speaker 2>will buy this, so I'm going to just put it

615
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<v Speaker 2>out there at full price, and you know it's it's

616
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.720
<v Speaker 2>expired or whatever, So don't buy it. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>have it, you might as well put some out now.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably don't need to water it unless it's unusual robbery.

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<v Speaker 1>I won't have to water it. But you're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to get that instant what I call grassification, so step

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<v Speaker 1>back and let nature do its work.

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<v Speaker 2>So but it might save you a little time in spring,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's always worth a try. And you know what

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<v Speaker 2>the bottom line with things like this is, you always

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<v Speaker 2>learn something yes. At the very least you learn something

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<v Speaker 2>that you can apply to decisions in the future, so

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like it's worth it if it's low cost

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<v Speaker 2>and low stakes. Thank you so much for your questions.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a question, don't forget. You can reach

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. It's time for

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<v Speaker 1>branching news. Stacey. I thought today, let's spend a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of time talking about a plant that many people

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<v Speaker 1>will have indoors during the holidays. We miss the garden

642
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<v Speaker 1>and we love plants. We know that, and so for

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<v Speaker 1>many people they'll bring an amarillis into the house or

644
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<v Speaker 1>they'll be gifted in amarillis. It's a simple plant to

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<v Speaker 1>grow and to get flower, you know, get flowers during

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<v Speaker 1>the holiday season. But it has a complicated story to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's become more complicated over the years because again,

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<v Speaker 1>when I first started out in the garden center industry,

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<v Speaker 1>we would sell bulk amarillis.

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<v Speaker 2>Bulbs just out on their own.

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<v Speaker 1>Out on their own. You'd reach into a bin you'd

652
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.280
<v Speaker 1>picked through these large amarillis bulbs. You'd pick one out,

653
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:15.239
<v Speaker 1>and then it's up to you to pot it and

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<v Speaker 1>take care of it and decide what to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Then came along these kits that had everything in them

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<v Speaker 1>so you could grow your amaryllis, and they were conveniently

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<v Speaker 1>in a colorful box so that you could give it

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<v Speaker 1>to somebody as a gift. Now, when you take a

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<v Speaker 1>look at it, Amarillis, in my mind is one of

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<v Speaker 1>these plants that's really gone through some crazy marketing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've been walking into stores, and of course I'm attuned

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<v Speaker 1>to this, having sold bulbs my whole life. Now they

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<v Speaker 1>wax amarillis bulbs, so the amarillis bulb is completely coated

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<v Speaker 1>in wax in all kinds of different colors. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when the wax thing worked, they thought, you know, let's

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<v Speaker 1>add glitter, and then let's add some fake snow, and

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll press a metal base into the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>the bulb. We call it the basl plate. And they

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<v Speaker 1>press a metal base in them so that they'll stand

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<v Speaker 1>up on their own without having to be potted or

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<v Speaker 1>put into soil. And then the piece to resistant, so

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<v Speaker 1>to speak, is they'll put a sweater on them.

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<v Speaker 2>What's not get out?

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<v Speaker 1>They're out there? No, you buy amarillis with sweaters on them?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, Why are they trying to make it look

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<v Speaker 2>less like a plant?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the thing, you know. They want to make

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<v Speaker 1>it really, really easy for people. So Dutch innovators produce

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<v Speaker 1>these wax bulbs and all these colors and ornamental finishes

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<v Speaker 1>and metallic and glitter and marbled and everything else. And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason for it is waxed bulbs are viewed as

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<v Speaker 1>a one time shot, similar to the way people approach

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<v Speaker 1>point setias. Buy it, enjoy it for a few weeks, chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>It in the trash.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there's many people like me who don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>throw the thing out. And can you save a waxed

687
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:14.880
<v Speaker 1>bulb amaryllis? And you can, You're gonna have to peel

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<v Speaker 1>the wax off. At the end of the season, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have to be patient. You're gonna have to allow

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<v Speaker 1>the strap like foliage to grow and treat it as

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<v Speaker 1>a houseplant. For most people, they're going to think throw

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<v Speaker 1>it in the trash because blooming exhausts the bulb. But

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<v Speaker 1>if it's planted in a pot in soil, once it's

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<v Speaker 1>done blooming, you can cut off the stalk, leave that

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<v Speaker 1>strap like foliage on, treat it as a houseplant, and

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<v Speaker 1>then later on in spring and summer, when it's nice

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<v Speaker 1>and warm outside, we can bring it outside into a

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<v Speaker 1>shaded area. Will love the bright light, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>fertilize it, give it a resting period, and then start

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<v Speaker 1>the cycle all over again. But the point is we

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<v Speaker 1>now market these Amarillis bulbs as though they are a

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<v Speaker 1>chuck it in the trash plant.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is fine. You know, it is okay for people

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<v Speaker 2>to throw plants away if you want to. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>okay to keep them if you want to. Both of

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<v Speaker 2>those are perfectly acceptable ways to deal with a plant

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00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.159
<v Speaker 2>that you have or have been given or whatever. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't make the rules, but it does kind of

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<v Speaker 2>upset me that, like, they're trying to make them less

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<v Speaker 2>plant like, because isn't that the whole point of having

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<v Speaker 2>an amarillis at Christmas, besides the fact that it aligns

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<v Speaker 2>with its natural life cycle, that it's this like great

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<v Speaker 2>source of joy in the darkest time of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>and the fact that it is a plant is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like what we celebrate about it. And I do

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<v Speaker 2>love the stories of people who have had amarillis bulbs

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<v Speaker 2>for you know, decades, as they can last so long.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, what would be a good amorillist marketing idea?

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<v Speaker 2>What's it if they sold it with a little magnet

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<v Speaker 2>that you could put on your refrigerator that told you

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<v Speaker 2>everything you need to do next.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, there's a good idea, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's like, let's bring the plant back to the amarillis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and split the royalty.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you like the wax one, great, go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Buy anyone every year. Make yourself happy. It's the darkest

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<v Speaker 2>time of the year. You need to do things that

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<v Speaker 2>make you happy. That's fine. But at the same time,

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00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:15.760
<v Speaker 2>I shall forget it's a plant.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want an amarillis bulb with a sweater on it,

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<v Speaker 1>more power to you. So in nineteen forty six, some

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<v Speaker 1>Dutch growers moved to South Africa Africa and began cultivation there.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I'm going to really screw things up and

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<v Speaker 1>gum up the works here, Stacy. We call them amarillis,

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00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:39.920
<v Speaker 1>we give them as gifts as amarillis. They are really

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<v Speaker 1>not amarillis. Amarillis is a misnomer. Actually, the botanical name

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<v Speaker 1>is and I have it spelled out here phonetically, so

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<v Speaker 1>I get it right, and you can test me on this, Stacy,

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<v Speaker 1>hippie astrum. Excellent work, thank you. I've got it phonetically

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<v Speaker 1>spelled out here, but hippie astrum. So the hours we

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<v Speaker 1>all know as amarillis are technically not amarillis at all,

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<v Speaker 1>but hippiastrums. So true. Amarillis are temperamental plants. They're temperate

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<v Speaker 1>plants native to South Africa. One fairly common one would

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<v Speaker 1>be Amarillis belladonna. Some people are Southern friends who watch

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<v Speaker 1>and listen to the show call them surprise Lily's. When

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00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:27.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, you get a rain and then all of

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00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.480
<v Speaker 1>a sudden they're blooming. So technically what you're getting are

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<v Speaker 1>hippie estrums, which are native to South America, not Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>so you take a look at this nomenclature debate. You

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<v Speaker 1>talk about taxonomy, genus, genera, genre, however you want to

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<v Speaker 1>pronounce that genera things botanical naming, an organization, hybridization, sub

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<v Speaker 1>genreenna just say, it's going to make your head spin.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. And so the whole point here is this, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>what was Linnaeus? Carl Linnaeus? What was his original intent?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it for the South African plant or was it

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<v Speaker 1>for the South American plant which is really technically a

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<v Speaker 1>hippiastrum and not an amarillis, even though it's being sold

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<v Speaker 1>to you as an amarillis waxed and in a sweater.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm done. You've pinpointed in a roundabout way

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<v Speaker 2>the difference between botany and horticulture, which is when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the botany if something, we're talking about these

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<v Speaker 2>scientific designations and the scientific aspect of it, where the

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<v Speaker 2>horticultural aspect is simply if you walk in to a

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<v Speaker 2>garden center and ask for an amarillis, are you leaving

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<v Speaker 2>with the plant that you went in to get? And

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<v Speaker 2>if so, then it worked. H But you know, let

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<v Speaker 2>me tell you something about Linnaeus. His name was not

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<v Speaker 2>Carol Linnaeus. It was It was not.

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<v Speaker 1>I always call them Carl.

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<v Speaker 2>It was not Carl Linnaeus. He gave he latinized his

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<v Speaker 2>own name. His actual name was Carl von Linnay, and

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<v Speaker 2>Linaeus was a latinization of his own name that he

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<v Speaker 2>created to kind of give himself a binomial, like he

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<v Speaker 2>gave plants and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>So, no, wonder people struggle with botanical names and Latin names,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think I'm going to create a Latin name

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<v Speaker 1>for myself.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I look forward to this. We should, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>We should come up the Latin name generator on our

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<v Speaker 2>website and then everyone can generate their own scientific name

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<v Speaker 2>for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. That's going to be fun. Anyhow. I

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<v Speaker 1>love amerialists or hippie astrom or whatever you want to

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00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:48.320
<v Speaker 1>call them, but I like to grow them in soil

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00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:50.159
<v Speaker 1>and pots. So I just kind of went on a

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<v Speaker 1>rant here. I'm really not into those stand on their

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<v Speaker 1>own waxed sweater.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you have an amoralist you've had for many years? No,

789
00:41:58.719 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 2>you get anyone every year?

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<v Speaker 1>So I did for a long period of time. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're right. Amarillis are similar to Christmas cactus. Or we

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<v Speaker 1>have some listeners and viewers who have carried over a

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<v Speaker 1>point settia from year to year and then given it

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00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.119
<v Speaker 1>the dark treatment it needs in order for the bracts

795
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:21.079
<v Speaker 1>to color up. And of course fruitcakes too, right, yeah,

796
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:27.199
<v Speaker 1>we passed those along too. So no, but again, there's

797
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:29.679
<v Speaker 1>something about a plant like that, A beautiful plant like that.

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00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:31.199
<v Speaker 1>I want it growing in soil.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, And they are elegant, and I don't personally

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<v Speaker 2>think that the bulb, despite being brown and flaky, the

801
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.480
<v Speaker 2>tracks from the plant in any way at all. I

802
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:41.519
<v Speaker 2>think it's part of the beauty. But you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>all have different, different approaches, and I'll tell you they

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<v Speaker 2>would not be selling as many waxed amaryllis as they

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00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:49.599
<v Speaker 2>are if people didn't like them.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right about that. And on a final note here,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get ready for some holiday hot chocolate. Cocoa farmers

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<v Speaker 1>in Ghana expect a boost in the twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>five season starting in October after a sharp fall in

810
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<v Speaker 1>production this past season contributed to boosting global cocoa prices

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<v Speaker 1>to record levels. So get ready to enjoy some hot cocoa.

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<v Speaker 1>The cocoa beans are on an upswing.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, good to know and it's good to is

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<v Speaker 2>the season.

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy, thanks so much, fun to do the show with

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<v Speaker 1>you and Adriana. Thank you so much, and thanks to

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<v Speaker 1>you for watching on YouTube, listening on radio, and listening

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<v Speaker 1>to our podcast. Have a great week.