WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:11.039 You are now listening to True Murder, the most shocking 2 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:14.160 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 3 00:00:14.240 --> 00:00:21.519 written about them. Gaesy, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker VTK Every 4 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:25.280 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 5 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.879 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your host, 6 00:00:30.280 --> 00:00:33.359 journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 7 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:43.960 It is for Eve Trudeau. The blood was all business. 8 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:48.200 An assassin for the Hell's Angels in the seventies and eighties, 9 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:52.359 Trudeau was known as Apache, the Mad Bumper, and the 10 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:56.679 Mad Bomber. As a contract killer, he did his job 11 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:59.399 so well that the biker sometimes lent him out to 12 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:04.680 other organized crime empires in Montreal, including the East End 13 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:08.879 French gangs led by the deadly Dubois Brothers and the 14 00:01:08.959 --> 00:01:15.000 upstart Irish mafia in the West End. Eve Trudeau remains 15 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:20.400 one of Canada's most prolific serial killers. When he narrowly 16 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:24.640 missed being assassinated because he was in drug rehab, he 17 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:29.560 turned government informant and confessed to his crimes, which included 18 00:01:29.640 --> 00:01:34.319 killing forty three people. But as a witness, Trudeau was 19 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:38.040 a disaster, and the sweetheart deal he got with little 20 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:44.439 jail time for his murders caused public outrage. Award winning 21 00:01:44.439 --> 00:01:49.439 writers Julian Cheer and Lisa Fierman tell the incredible story 22 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:53.159 of how this assassin escaped the police and the justice 23 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:58.680 system for over a decade. A compelling and revealing account 24 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:03.640 of corruption, in competence and murder. Hit Man is based 25 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:09.039 on extensive research and exclusive new interviews with police, lawyers 26 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:14.719 and bikers who knew Eve Apache Trudeau. The book that 27 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:19.199 we were featuring this evening is Hitman, The Untold Story 28 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:25.479 of Canada's Deadliest Assassin. With my special guests, journalists and 29 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:31.159 authors Julian Cher and Lisa Fiterman. Welcome to the program, 30 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:34.080 and thank you very much for this interview. Julian Cher 31 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:36.120 and Lisa Fiterman. 32 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:37.960 Great to be here. 33 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:40.159 Thank you. Yes, it's nice to be here. 34 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.919 Thank you so much, and congratulations on this newest book 35 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:47.000 between you both co authored, hit Man. 36 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:51.199 Thanks. It's been a national bestseller here in Canada and 37 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:55.080 it's obviously available in the States. We've been journalists for many, 38 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:58.199 many years, but this was a fun and exciting book 39 00:02:58.240 --> 00:02:59.840 to write. 40 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:04.479 Tell us about the origins of this book. What brought 41 00:03:04.520 --> 00:03:06.560 you to this story. You say that you have a 42 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:10.240 background in organized crime and writing about organized crime. But 43 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:14.319 tell us about just the origins of this book project itself. 44 00:03:14.840 --> 00:03:18.439 Sure. Yeah, I've been an investigative journalist for thirty forty years, 45 00:03:18.599 --> 00:03:22.080 written many books, including at least two books on the 46 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:25.840 Hell's Angels. I went to California to interview the Hell's 47 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:30.120 Angels leaders there for books that I wrote called Angels 48 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.039 of Death, and I've done documentaries. You know, as an 49 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:37.680 investigative journalist, I think we're both interested in kind of 50 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.840 the dark mirror, you know, the rocks, what's hiding under 51 00:03:40.840 --> 00:03:44.599 the rocks in our society. And the Hell's Angels always 52 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:50.639 fascinated me because unlike the Mafia or MS thirteen, they 53 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.479 have a very elaborate pr machine, right, they have web 54 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:58.159 pages and their trademarked and they have this whole mythology. 55 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:01.439 So that's why I've covered them for so long. And 56 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:05.759 this book that I co wrote with my wife Lisa, 57 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:09.759 was a chance to go back to the origin story. 58 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:13.680 How did the Hell's Angels set up here in Canada, 59 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:17.360 which became an important base for the Hell's Angels. Why 60 00:04:17.360 --> 00:04:20.759 did they come here and what were the consequences. So 61 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.839 that's why we decided to do a hit man together. 62 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:29.120 It was it was strange. Julian's agent called him to 63 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:32.680 ask if he would do another biker book and he 64 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:36.360 said no straight out, and then he began to think 65 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:38.680 it would be fun to do a book with me. 66 00:04:38.959 --> 00:04:43.439 And I had covered all the biker trials in Quebec 67 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:48.920 and including the big Mega trials and the first trial 68 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:53.199 of Maurice mon Bouche, who was a biker leader who 69 00:04:53.319 --> 00:04:57.399 was convicted of killing two prison guards. So it just 70 00:04:57.439 --> 00:05:02.279 seemed to be an intro testing thing to do. Our 71 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:07.839 agents both told us that this isn't a good idea, 72 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:12.639 you know, because they'd seen partnerships break up because of 73 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:17.800 working together. And we said we'll take the chance, and 74 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:19.199 we had a lot of fun doing it. 75 00:05:19.439 --> 00:05:24.720 Yeah, let's get to the Eve Trudeau and you say 76 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:27.759 he had been the founder of the first Hell's Angels 77 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:30.800 chapter in Quebec and then became a hit man for 78 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:35.040 the outlaw bikers and for fifteen years he had killed 79 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:40.639 in the shadows, unknown and undetected by police. Let's talk 80 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:46.480 about Eve Trudeau and Popeye's motorcycle gang and his early 81 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:48.519 development in organized crime. 82 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:52.879 Yeah, he's a fascinating character. Young boy grows up in 83 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:58.600 Quebec in the fifties and sixties. Unlike many biker leaders 84 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:03.240 that I've profiled, he doesn't fit the stereotype, right, He's 85 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:08.839 not there's no evidence of an abused family, poverty, early drugs, 86 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:13.199 or criminal records that you often see with a lot 87 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:18.319 of bikers. Seems to be a you know, perfectly normal kid. 88 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:23.079 But he gets attracted to one of the many biker 89 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:27.240 groups circulating in Quebec as in the States in the 90 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:30.800 sixties and seventies. They were called the Popeyes, kind of 91 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:34.839 after you know Popeye, the Sailor Man. Very violent, not 92 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:39.800 very structured or organized. They had gray jackets, but they 93 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:45.600 were among the most violent biker gangs. And he was 94 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:47.759 I think a bit of an outsider, right, He. 95 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:49.680 Was a bit of an outsider. He was, you know, 96 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:53.600 small and quiet. But I'd also like to point out 97 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:56.879 that in Quebec, you know, we were just coming out 98 00:06:56.920 --> 00:07:00.519 of what was called the Great Darkness. The Catholic Church 99 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:05.920 held huge sway here and the government of the day 100 00:07:06.199 --> 00:07:10.360 was aligned with them. So when that fell, you had 101 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:15.160 this kind of counterculture movement rise out of that, and 102 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:19.439 part of that was this proliferation of biker gangs throughout 103 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:22.959 the province with no rhyme or reason except to be 104 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:30.240 counterculture and druggies and everything that your parents really hated 105 00:07:30.279 --> 00:07:30.839 for you to be. 106 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:35.560 So yeah, and Trudeau didn't. You don't see those early 107 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:38.360 signs of a psychopathic killer. 108 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:39.680 He was known. 109 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.399 He didn't even have a bike at the beginning of motorbike. 110 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:47.240 He loved doing wheeli's on his motorcycle. The one thing 111 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:51.560 that was interesting, if you're going to eventually develop into 112 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:56.279 one of the world's most prolific serial killers for organized crime, 113 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:58.319 it's a good thing as a young man to land 114 00:07:58.319 --> 00:08:02.240 the job at an explosive factory. And that's what he did. 115 00:08:02.600 --> 00:08:06.800 He worked at a company called CIL that made explosives 116 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:09.800 for the army and the police, so that would serve 117 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:13.759 him well in the future. Now, what happens in nineteen 118 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:19.160 seventy seven, Trudeau has already committed his first kill. Nineteen 119 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:24.839 seventy he's working for the Popeyes and a loser steals 120 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:26.920 one of their bikes. Not a good thing to do 121 00:08:27.079 --> 00:08:30.600 with a motorcycle gang. So they send this young wiry guy, 122 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:34.399 Eve Trudeau out to kind of meet out some punishment 123 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:39.000 and return the bike, and to some degree, possibly by accident, 124 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.639 he lands up killing the guy, right, This wasn't his intention, 125 00:08:43.320 --> 00:08:46.559 but he begins to realize he's pretty good at this 126 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.600 and this is his ticket to success. You know, you're 127 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:52.399 in a biker gang. It's a business, right, you either 128 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:55.840 have to be good at extortion or drug smuggling. And 129 00:08:56.039 --> 00:09:00.279 Trudeau discovered he was pretty good at killing. So he 130 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:04.919 began to knock off some of the enemies of the Popeyes. 131 00:09:05.799 --> 00:09:09.600 And in nineteen seventy seven, Sonny Barger and the Hell's 132 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:13.440 Angels based in California. They've been active in California in 133 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:17.480 the fifties and sixties. They start expanding throughout the States 134 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.039 and they decide to plant a flag in Canada. And 135 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:25.600 of all the places to come, they come to Montreal, 136 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:28.720 and of all the clubs to patch over, you know, 137 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:32.559 to take over, absorb and make them the Hell's Angels, 138 00:09:32.879 --> 00:09:34.639 they choose the Popeyes. 139 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:35.440 And so in. 140 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.679 Nineteen seventy seven, Eve Trudeau, this young killer, becomes one 141 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:42.480 of the founding members of the Hell's Angels in Quebec. 142 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:48.679 Now tell us about Quebec's unique geographical position in North 143 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:52.840 America and its relation to the top crime family Organized 144 00:09:52.840 --> 00:09:56.399 crime families in America. Tell us about the importance of 145 00:09:56.480 --> 00:10:00.519 Quebec in terms of the drug business and organized crime 146 00:10:00.679 --> 00:10:01.639 in North America. 147 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:06.440 Sure, you know, Americans who know Canada that's the largest 148 00:10:06.559 --> 00:10:10.919 undefended border, and that means for now anyways, that's right, 149 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:14.440 until we become the fifty first state, as some people 150 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:17.279 might want, but it means that, you know, travel is 151 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:21.120 pretty easy between the two countries for tourists, for business, 152 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:26.200 but also for drugs and guns. Montreal is only an 153 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:29.960 hour and a half drive to the border. It's an 154 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:34.000 hour flight to New York and so it's very close 155 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:37.559 to the American border. It's also a huge port city, 156 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:41.639 and that port brings in ships from Europe and of 157 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:46.120 course from Latin and Central America. The port for many 158 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:52.440 years was controlled by organized crime, particularly the Irish mafia. 159 00:10:52.480 --> 00:10:56.600 They were called the West End Gang, and so Montreal 160 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:01.080 also had a long history as kind of sinn city. 161 00:11:01.519 --> 00:11:05.879 Some American students of history, right, remember in the twenties 162 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:10.120 and thirties, I mean Irving Berlin, right that the Broadway 163 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:15.399 songwriter had a song about Hello, party, Let's go to Montreal. 164 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:20.200 Because there was prohibition in the in the United States, 165 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.039 and so people came to Montreal to Party. In the 166 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:27.279 fifties it was gangsters and mafias, and then we had 167 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:32.159 the Italian mafia set up in Montreal. They became known 168 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:35.120 as the Sixth Family, you know, the Five Families in 169 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:40.120 New York. Well, the Montreal Mafia became so powerful they 170 00:11:40.120 --> 00:11:43.960 were seen as both allies and competitors to the New 171 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:49.440 York Mafia. So Montreal has always been an important crime center, 172 00:11:49.759 --> 00:11:54.240 and it's where the Hell's Angels became the most powerful 173 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:58.200 and influential. Just to give you some perspective, there are 174 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:01.879 about maybe a thousand and members of the Hell's Angels 175 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:06.399 in America, tens of thousands around the world. Canada, which 176 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:11.240 has like one tenth the population, has five hundred Hells Angels, 177 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:14.720 you know, percentage wise, it's one of the biggest centers 178 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:17.600 of the Hell's Angels in the world. And more importantly, 179 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:22.440 in America, the Hell's Angels have to compete with the Bandidos, 180 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.639 the Outlaws, the Pagans. They're not necessarily even the largest 181 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:30.879 outlaw motorcycle gang. Well, in Canada, the Hell's Angels are 182 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:33.919 not just the largest, they're the only one. They have 183 00:12:33.960 --> 00:12:37.279 a complete monopoly here, which they don't have in Europe. 184 00:12:37.360 --> 00:12:42.960 Or Australia. So it just shows how powerful Montreal is 185 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:45.159 as a crime capital. 186 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:48.639 And they're very strong in all the port cities in Vancouver, 187 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:52.000 in Halifax, and you're in Montreal. 188 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:59.200 So how does Ive Trudeau become a hit man for 189 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:03.480 the Hell's Angels? You write that he was so good 190 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:07.720 at killing that other gangs like the Dubois Gang Dubois 191 00:13:07.799 --> 00:13:12.840 Brothers in Montreal hired him out for assignments. Tell us 192 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:16.559 about the methods of his killing and also some of 193 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:21.120 the hires that led to him becoming an assassin for 194 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:22.440 the Hell's Angels. 195 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:25.919 So that's a good question. So look, nineteen seventy seven, 196 00:13:25.960 --> 00:13:29.399 he's already been killing for seven years for the Popeyes. 197 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:32.840 But what's important for people to understand is is groups 198 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:36.879 like the Popeyes and listeners might know of small motorcycle gangs. 199 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:40.879 I'm not talking about legal groups. You know, I used 200 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:43.799 to ride a motorcycle. There are many weekend clubs of 201 00:13:43.879 --> 00:13:47.840 people out motorcycling, but outlaw gangs. People probably know of 202 00:13:47.919 --> 00:13:51.879 small gangs in their downs or neighborhoods. But the Popeyes 203 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:55.159 were just in Quebec, right, They were a small group. 204 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:59.480 They had no international connections. The Hill's Angels come in 205 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:04.480 in ninety seventy seven, watch over the Popeyes. Suddenly Ef Trudeau. 206 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:08.200 That's like running a little corner store. And then suddenly 207 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:11.639 you've got a McDonald's franchise, right, and you have this 208 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:18.799 international connection, this international stature, but you also have international enemies, 209 00:14:19.120 --> 00:14:23.120 and so the Hell's Angels would systematically want to take 210 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:27.519 over or wipe out their competition, notably a group called 211 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:32.039 the Outlaws, but other motorcycle gangs. So suddenly Ef Trudeau, 212 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:36.200 who's done the occasional hit for the Popeyes, becomes the 213 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:40.080 go to man as the Hell's Angels. Keep in mind, too, 214 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:44.240 we're in the late seventies early eighties. What comes into 215 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:49.120 place suddenly cocaine. Right before we were talking about marijuana 216 00:14:49.399 --> 00:14:56.960 and other drugs, but cocaine hugely profitable, hugely popular, and 217 00:14:57.039 --> 00:15:01.399 so to maintain this monopoly of cocaine, the Hall's Angels 218 00:15:01.480 --> 00:15:06.120 need Trudeau to systematically wipe out rivals and other gangs 219 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:11.320 and even their own members, people who have gone astray. 220 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:15.879 And so he begins to do systematic killings. But a 221 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:20.440 lot of what will happen will also be innocents who 222 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:22.720 get caught in the crossfire. 223 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:29.159 And we're talking girlfriends, we're talking mothers, we're talking a 224 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:32.639 guy who he thought was his target and who he 225 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:37.279 sawt multiple times in the back. It was the wrong person. 226 00:15:37.879 --> 00:15:44.039 So it was just one killing after another. And well, 227 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:47.840 he began as the accidental assassin in a way when 228 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:52.399 he killed his first victim. It became his bread and butter, 229 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:56.879 his way to acceptance, his way to being one of 230 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.720 the guys, and in the end, to supporting his drug habit. 231 00:16:02.320 --> 00:16:05.600 When you talk of this drug habit, tell us about 232 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:08.720 how extensive this drug habit is and what is the 233 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:14.960 growing attitude among some of the bikers and Hell's Angels 234 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:19.279 in Montreal regarding Trudeau's drug habit or any of the 235 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:20.759 other biker's drug habit. 236 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:25.600 Yeah, it's interesting. So you know, it's important to realize 237 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:29.600 that first and foremost, the Hell's Angels became a business, 238 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.399 became an organized crime organization. You know, in the fifties 239 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.720 and sixties, it was fun in games, a lot of 240 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:39.480 drug sex and rock and roll. What, of course happens 241 00:16:39.960 --> 00:16:43.279 is you know, Sunny Barger, the international leader of the 242 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:46.759 Hell's Angels, says openly in his book in the seventies, 243 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:50.840 it was the gangster era, right, and he talks about 244 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:56.440 the importance of cocaine, and for the Hell's Angels it 245 00:16:56.559 --> 00:16:59.919 was a business making money. What they didn't want were 246 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:05.039 their own members becoming what was called sniffers. Right. You 247 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:09.440 were bringing in this cocaine from the cartels, from the 248 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:13.400 mafia internationally, you were distributing in the streets. You wanted 249 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:16.160 to make money selling it. You didn't want to lose 250 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:22.400 money putting it up your nose. So there was tension 251 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:28.680 when members like Ef Trudeau, who developed quite a cocaine habit, 252 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:33.319 there was tension with the other bikers who wanted to 253 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:39.240 become more and more businessmen involved in cocaine trafficking. Now 254 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:45.039 to step back a bit, as Trudeau is developing his 255 00:17:45.160 --> 00:17:50.079 cocaine habit more and more, he needs contracts for killing 256 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:54.039 to get the money so that he could sustain his 257 00:17:54.880 --> 00:17:59.359 cocaine habit. But he's so prolific. What the Hell's Angels 258 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.920 start doing, as we talk mentioned before, is they start 259 00:18:04.119 --> 00:18:07.720 farming him out, you know, almost like in the classified 260 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:11.680 ads to other gangs. There's a French gang called the 261 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:16.000 Dubois Brothers that he does some killings for, but the 262 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:19.680 biggest group he starts working for is a group called 263 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:23.720 the Irish West End Gang. They controlled the western part 264 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:28.359 of Montreal, Irish gangsters, bank robbers. They controlled the port, 265 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:31.759 so the Hell's Angels and the mafia in Montreal had 266 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:36.640 to do business with them, and their leader hires Trudeau 267 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:41.920 to kill a wayward drug dealer. Trudeau blows up his car, 268 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.759 puts a remote bomb underneath his car and blows up 269 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:48.000 the car right in a park. He could have killed 270 00:18:48.079 --> 00:18:52.960 kids and passers by. Luckily only the car gets blown up. 271 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.160 And then when one of the leaders of the Irish 272 00:18:56.200 --> 00:19:02.240 gang get killed, they want and so they ask Trudeau 273 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:06.599 to kill the man the assassin. Trudeau scouts out where 274 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:09.480 the man is living. He's hanging out with three other 275 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:14.400 bikers in a huge skyrise in downtown Montreal, right next 276 00:19:14.440 --> 00:19:18.880 to the Big Hockey Arena, and as tens of thousands 277 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:21.759 of hockey fans are streaming out on a weekend in 278 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:26.839 November nineteen eighty five, four am that morning, Trudeau sends 279 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:31.400 somebody to deliver a TV and a VCR at four 280 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.519 am in the morning to these guys, saying, hey, you 281 00:19:33.559 --> 00:19:36.440 guys don't have a TV. Here's a present from Eve 282 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:40.240 Trudeau with a video about the Hell's Angels. Now, I 283 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.039 don't know about you, Dan, but at four am in 284 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:44.319 the morning, if I did a gift you know from 285 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:48.039 Eve Apatchri Trudeau, Ih, well not, I wouldn't accept it, 286 00:19:48.119 --> 00:19:51.480 you know, you know, and he was known as both 287 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:54.240 the mad bumper and the mad bomber. But they take 288 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:59.720 the gift. They plug in this video and within seconds. Wow, 289 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:04.079 it's such a powerful bomb. And Trudeau later will testify 290 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:07.559 how he calculated, you know, the width of the walls 291 00:20:07.640 --> 00:20:08.519 and everything. 292 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:11.720 He figured there would be no other victims other than 293 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:14.400 the people in that apartment. 294 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:18.519 And remarkably he was right. The four people die, their bodies, 295 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:22.880 you know, spread all over the street, the windows of 296 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:28.240 the entire skyrides crashed down, remarkably, only a few injuries. 297 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:32.119 And Trudeau accomplished his goal. And he was supposed to 298 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:35.319 get two hundred thousand dollars, which he needed for his 299 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:39.799 drug habit. Well, the Irish Western gang who hired him said, well, 300 00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:42.519 you know, for the rest of your money, go to 301 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:46.680 your fellow bikers because they owe us for a lot 302 00:20:46.720 --> 00:20:50.119 of drugs we've been selling them. So Trudeau goes cap 303 00:20:50.160 --> 00:20:54.200 in hand to different chapter leaders, and they grudgingly agree 304 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:57.680 to fork over the money. But then they discover that 305 00:20:57.759 --> 00:21:01.759 Trudeau and a lot of his chapter members, in what's 306 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.759 called the North Chapter, there are several chapters in Quebec. 307 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:10.640 The North Chapter have been sniffing cocaine and not selling it. 308 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:14.079 Not only that, been they have developed their own drug 309 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:17.799 making operation and they're keeping all the profits to themselves. 310 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:21.559 So they decide to do something that I think says 311 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:24.640 a lot about what the Hell's Angels are all about. 312 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:29.440 They decide they will massacre their own members. They want 313 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:34.160 to massacre the entire North Chapter. On a fateful weekend 314 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:39.079 in March nineteen eighty five, they bring in, they invite 315 00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:44.000 the North Chapter to another clubhouse and they take out 316 00:21:44.039 --> 00:21:51.599 the machine guns and they kill five members. Luckily or ironically, 317 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:54.319 you'll never guess where Eve Trudeau is. 318 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:57.839 He was in drug rehab in the middle of a 319 00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:01.960 forest in Oka, which is west of Montreal, and he 320 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:04.680 heard about this, and he knew his days were numbered, 321 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:10.519 especially when a representative of the leader of the chapter 322 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:15.519 who had initiated the killings came to visit him and 323 00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:20.079 say his motorcycle had been seized. You know, his days 324 00:22:20.079 --> 00:22:24.200 as a biker were ended, except if he killed two 325 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:27.039 more people, he might be spared. 326 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:31.880 Let's Jesus as an opportunity to stop to hear these messages. 327 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:36.759 Yeah, he's faced with I mean, this is you know, 328 00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:40.119 a guy who's been it's now nineteen. You know, he's 329 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:43.680 been killing for the Popeyes and then the Hills Angels 330 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:48.440 for fifteen years. Suddenly the tables are turned and he 331 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:52.640 realizes that he's on the hit list, and so he 332 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:58.279 makes a faithful decision. The police after this these massacres 333 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:03.119 are searching desperately for clues, and you know, there's there's 334 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:05.519 a code of silence among the bikers. So even though 335 00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:10.240 five bikers have been killed and their girlfriends are worried. 336 00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.559 First we're getting a bit of ahead of ourselves here. 337 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:17.039 Police had no idea that this had happened. And for years, 338 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:21.599 I mean, every time a victims surfaced, they always just figured, oh, 339 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:25.640 it's a settling of accounts between criminal groups. So they 340 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:30.839 had no idea that they were looking for single assassin. 341 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:36.000 So then when bodies start to float, it's only when 342 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:40.359 bodies start to float to the surface of the Saint Lawrence. 343 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:43.960 River where they five massacred bodies had been dumped. 344 00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:47.400 Did they realize that there was something bigger going on? 345 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:50.839 So they started an investigation and they do a bit 346 00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:54.599 of a sweep of the bikers and Trudeau gets arrested 347 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:58.799 on a minor gun possession charge, and you know, usually 348 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:01.799 a gun possession charge, it's not hard to beat. You're 349 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:04.039 not going to do a lot of time. But he 350 00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:09.200 pleads guilty and he goes to jail, possibly, we think, 351 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:12.480 because he realized that might be the safest place for 352 00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:15.680 him given that he was on this hit list from 353 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:20.759 his former brethren. Well, the police visit him, show him 354 00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:25.799 evidence indications that there's a fifty thousand dollars contract on 355 00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:29.359 his head, and so he makes a faithful decision which 356 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:33.079 will change forever his life but also in many ways 357 00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:38.640 the history of the Hells Angels in Canada and in America. 358 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:44.240 He decides to turn informant. He tells a police officer, 359 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.240 it's so delicious given how much blood he had on 360 00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:50.799 his hands. He tells the police officer, I've been killing 361 00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:54.680 for them and now they want to kill me. That's gratitude. 362 00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:57.960 A huge amount of events will then unfold. 363 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.799 What kind of numbers does he tell this Johnny Dalzell, 364 00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.759 this person that he had a relationship back from nineteen 365 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.960 sixty nine. He was a liaison with the Montreal Police 366 00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:18.240 and the bikers. But tell us about the the numbers 367 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.440 that he confesses to, the kinds of YEP numbers that 368 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:24.279 he talks about committing. 369 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.640 By this point, John Delzel is a high is a 370 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:33.400 highly a high ranking police officer in charge of the night, 371 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.279 entire night shift of the Montreal Police Department, and he 372 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:38.039 gets a call. 373 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:43.359 By coincidence, he hung out with a very young EF 374 00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:46.680 Trudeau back in the nineteen seventies. I wouldn't say they 375 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:48.519 were friends. One was a cop, the other was a 376 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:49.400 biker if he. 377 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:52.920 Gave him rights home on his motorbike because Trudeau didn't 378 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:56.440 have a motorbike. Dalzell gets a call from the Quebec 379 00:25:56.519 --> 00:26:01.640 Provincial Police Central Station stating that that E. Trudeau wants 380 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:06.200 to see him. Dalzell's says, what's going on and has 381 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.039 his driver, you know. By this point, Dalzell has his 382 00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:13.839 own driver take him to what's called Patana. It's it's 383 00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:19.519 the QPP headquarters, and he goes to see Trudeau who's 384 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.160 sitting in a in a cell and he says, hi John, 385 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:27.279 and John says, hi, hi, Eva, what's what's up. He 386 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:31.920 tells him that he wants to become an informant. But 387 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:36.640 are these guys the qube Provincial police good guys to 388 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:42.720 uh to work with? And Dalzel says, well, I don't know. 389 00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:45.200 You've got to have something to trade. That's the whole 390 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:49.920 point of becoming an informant. And Trudeau says to him, well, 391 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:57.759 how does forty three murders sound? And Dalzell's response is holly, 392 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.799 ecuse my language. I think he said, excuse my language. 393 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.119 He was shocked and he said, I think these guys 394 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:09.480 are good, so yeah, do it. And that's how he 395 00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:10.640 became an informant. 396 00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:15.119 And what he confesses to is, you know, orchestrating or 397 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:19.559 personally carrying out at least forty three murders for the 398 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:24.839 outlaw bikers, including the bombings we talked about, car bombings, 399 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:26.480 building bombings. 400 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:26.799 Kicking people. 401 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:31.720