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Last Friday Night Show episode six twenty three, you heard

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Tonight's guests come on and share several dogman encounters that

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he's had, including the most notable one at least in

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my opinion, and his the time when he actually picked

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up a dogman pop Well on that show last Friday.

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We had time to hear about his experiences, but we

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definitely didn't have time for me to ask him a

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bunch of questions that I've got for him. So luckily

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he's agreed to come back and do this Q and

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E tonight. Having said all that, Bruce Brown, thanks so

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much for coming back.

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Speaker 3: Oh great to be here, Great to be here. My

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name is Bruce Brown. I'm a former law enforcement officer.

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Started out as a patrolman deputy, sure become a sergeant,

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then started to patrol become a detective, and then from

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a detective, I went to cheap and narcotics stated detective

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also and I live here in Tennessee. I'm an avid

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bigfoot man and dog dog man. I don't know if

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you could call me a researcher, but that's what I

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enjoy getting out doing. That's pretty much about the gist

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of it.

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Speaker 2: You might not be working in law enforcement anymore, but

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it sounds like you still stay awfully busy, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I say.

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Speaker 1: I try to.

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Speaker 3: Go out quite a bit. From our last show after

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we got doing doing it, I went out late that

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night and didn't have any good responses, but I ended

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up going out to call Bigfoot. Got a response from

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a dog man, So I got to see a dog

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man for about like ten seconds that night. That would

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have been my now my lady's encounter, which was December

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twenty fourth, or about midnight or so twelve o'clock.

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Speaker 2: These things must really be drawn to you. If you

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had that recent sighting that we haven't covered, please tell

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us what happened.

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Speaker 3: What happened there is After I did the show with you,

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I decided to go out that night and I went

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into Pinterest County, Tennessee. Had a person that had called

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me and said they had some unusual things going on

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on their property. So I went out and checked his property,

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and I went to the far end away from his house.

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He had a hay builder with a gate, and they

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told me where the key was. So I went there

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and unlocked the gate and pulled inside the gate and

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went over into the woods. And I'd done some They

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put calls knocked on the trees about two or three times,

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about every thirty minutes. The wind was blowing pretty hard,

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so I couldn't get a response. I got a response,

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I couldn't hear it. When I got back almost to

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my car. I keep in mind it necessaria, you had

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no signal service. I get back almost to my car,

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a friend of mine calls me. It's a psychic medium

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and says, well, they don't call me, they send me

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a text. And just as I'm getting back to my car,

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maybe twenty twenty yards from the car, fifteen yards, my

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phone pins and I looked down and it's a text

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message from a friend of mine that's a psychic medium.

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And they said, where are you at it this time?

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And I told him, and they said, well, at the

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back of your car is a dog man. So I

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eased up to the car, and sure enough I could

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see the shadow and the red glowing eyes behind my car,

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and I just got in the car. I started up

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and back it through the gate and back out on

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the road and got out and shut the gate and

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locked it back and left. So that was a short encounter.

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But it wasn't encounter. So this thing looked to be

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about six and a half feet tall, didn't growl or

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make any noises or anything happen. But that would have

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been now my latest encounter that was short. I would say,

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no longer than thirty seconds. Of course, it seems like

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when you know, when you get into that, it seems

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like it's three or four minutes, but it's actually about

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thirty seconds. Time tens of slow down when you come

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across these creatures. That's pretty much it on that.

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Speaker 2: Well, like I said before, they sure are drawn to you.

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It makes you wonder what's next. Breus. A lot of

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people think dog men are spiritual creatures. What's your take

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Speaker 3: I'm not real sure on that. From my experience, that

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could be. I believe it. If it's a werewhoops, it

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could be a spiritual one. Generally with a dog man,

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other than his glowing eyes, red eyes sometimes could look

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like laser beams. It makes you wonder. I'm on the

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fence on that from the ones I investigated. Now, the

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stories that I hear from other people, they come through portholes,

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stuff like that, which can very well happen because the

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nature of these these creatures, the way they act. And

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sometimes I've had it happen to me that I would

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be in a good spot and see one clear as

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day and then it just vanished in front of your eyes.

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So yeah, that's a possibility, but I've not been able

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to prove it, to convince myself one hundred percent of it.

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Speaker 2: Anything that can just vanish right in front of your eyes,

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my opinion, it's got to be some kind of a

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spiritual creature.

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Speaker 3: But that's just my opinion, right right, But it's you know,

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I'm favoring more that way, but I'm not. I'm not

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on my encounters. I'm not one hundred percent for sure.

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I've not seen them like walk into what they call

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a black hole or they got other other names they

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call it. I've not seen them up here just out

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of nowhere in front of me. But there is a

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lot of people out there that I believe without a

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doubt because they're very truthful people and then when I

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interview them, I'm looking for flaws in their stories, but

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they're consistent, so yes, I have to tend to lean

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that way. But for me personally, I've not experienced anything

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like that other than the red glowing eyes, which is

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I guess you could call supernatural.

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Speaker 2: They do have a lot of features that are awfully

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hard to explain if you don't go down that road.

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So it does make you wonder. If you've had a

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dog mean encounter that you'd like to speak with me about,

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whether in private or on the show, please go to

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Dogmanencounters dot com and submit a report. Let's go back

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to the beginning, Bruce, when you had your first encounter

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looking through your scope, you said that you couldn't tell

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what you're looking at. It eventually came to within twenty

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feet of you in your stand though, And with that

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in mind, how close did it get to you before

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you knew what it was or before you knew that

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it wasn't some normal animal.

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Speaker 3: That was about as close as it got to me.

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The figure of it, the way it acted, the way

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it moved, didn't look it wasn't normal to be a

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wolf or something like that.

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Speaker 1: It was just.

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Speaker 3: Completely unnatural when it took off running instead of a run,

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and it had a gallop to it, which again was unnatural,

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had tremendously big beat. The ears were they stand up

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on the head like a wolf, but it had a

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shorter a shorter snout if you would, It had an

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extremely long tail. The gallop speed on it was probably

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a good twenty to thirty mile an hour when it

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took off, and then unbeknowns to me, it circled my

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tree stand sometime after it got out of my sight

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and I didn't see to see it when it circled

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my tree stamp. But when I got out of the

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tree stand and I got out of the tree stand

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to head back to my truck, at that time I

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come across the prince just I would say within fifteen

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to eighteen peet somewhere like that, right behind the tree

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stand in the tree that I was in, and had

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some pretty good massive prints. There had a paper plate

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in my backpack and it was just standard sized paper plate,

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and I laid it down over the track and then

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it covered the track completely. But when I was checking it,

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it's like a quarter inch The plate was like a

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quarter inch bigger than the pawprint of this, and that

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spooked me somewhat. It didn't scare me, It just sort

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of earnednerved me that something that big went around me

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and I didn't see it when it circled me.

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Speaker 2: They really are the masters out there in the woods.

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Speaker 1: They are was.

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Speaker 2: It's muzzle boxier more pointed.

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Speaker 3: It was a little bit boxy, but pointy at the end,

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shorter than most k nines that you would see. It

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was just again that one had the red glowing out eyes.

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When I seen it at a distance, I thought, wol

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you know, this is a big wolf or something here.

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I mean, even though we didn't have wolves in that

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part of the part of the stage at that time.

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And then the closer it got, the bigger it got.

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And as I was looking through the scope at it,

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I just noticed it just it just didn't act like

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a canine, and it had some The way it walked

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was strange looking. It walked as a sort of a

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twist in its hips. But it had massive front shoulders

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and real thick front legs and narrowed down towards the back,

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and had a extremely long tail. Seemed like the tail

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was probably just two thirds as long as it was

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it's about all I recognized was that until it spotted me.

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Then galloped it took off. It galloped like a big horse,

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and that's when I noticed the side of its feet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do have some big feet on them, disproportionately big.

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tree that you're in, round and round, round and round,

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do you think you would have fired on it?

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Speaker 3: No, I'm if. I I'm a type of person and

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if I say something like that, and even though I

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don't understand what it is, there's no way I would

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borrow on it unless they put me in the spot

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to where I had no other way out. You know,

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that's only way I would borrow on something like that,

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because it's clearly not something I'm naturally used to see.

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So things I can't explain. I want shoe, do you know? Uh,

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it's just uh, it threatens me, meaning I'm back into

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a corner and can't get away out of it. It's

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coming for me. I wouldn't have any other choice but

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to shoot him.

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Speaker 2: It's good you show that kind of restraint when you

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realize that you're looking at an unclassified predator. What kinds

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of thoughts were going.

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Speaker 1: Through your head.

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Speaker 3: Well, you're you get sort of confused at first at

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what you're looking at. You're like, just that's supplit. Second

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you're like, is this what I think it is? Is

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this just a giant?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: What is this? And you're just you're stunned. You're you're

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just trying to figure out what you're seeing. You know,

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it's like one of them deals, one of you know,

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you close your eyes and open your eyes right back

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to make sure you're seeing what you see. It gets

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unnerving at times on your first encounters. After you have

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a few, then it didn't really anything that really happens

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doesn't shock you. You're more intrigued with what you're seeing.

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It becomes a somewhat I guess you could have could

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call him obsession, because no two are exactly the same.

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The other dogmen that I have seen would be as

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little something different. They could be a patchy colored fur.

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Other words, you could have one that had one in particular,

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had a if he was looking at him head on

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on his right hand side, his fur was a buckskin color,

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but the rest of him was black.

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Speaker 1: And then.

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Speaker 3: I had one that I had witnessed that was standing

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on a massive rock or boulder that had red glowing eyes.

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And when I come up on it, it was standing

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up like a wolf wood looking over this big blow

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up or big rock if you called it. It was

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probably the rock was probably seven or eight feet above

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the ground level and it was standing on top of it.

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But when it jumped down because it spotted me, it

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jumped down to come my way. I slipped him behind

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a big tree and it circled me, but circled me

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further out. It wasn't a close circle. And then the

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next when I slipped behind that tree, when he come

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around that tree, he had what I call amber eyes

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or gold eyes, and they were no longer red, And

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of course they didn't turn red until my way out

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of the woods. He shadowed me and then they turned

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back red. And that was you know, that's little things.

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You catch it sort of question what you're dealing with.

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Speaker 1: They just.

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Speaker 3: Get your brain to think, and you know, you know

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what you see and wear a woof dog man. I mean,

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I think they say the experts say there's probably six

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or seven different types.

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Speaker 1: Of them, and.

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Speaker 3: Most of the ones I've seen involved in pretty well

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straight ard. They did have different attributes about them, No

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too we're exactly the same. Some had a more heavy,

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heavy heavy front legs. Some had the elbow that actually

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touched the ground with the footpad. That's a different than other.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: The puppe that I walked upon had the clear eyes

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and he had that print that when when when I

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set him down on the ground, that his elbows and

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pad touched the ground at the same time. So they're

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basically no.

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Speaker 1: Two.

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Speaker 3: That's exactly the same there. I guess you could call

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them sort of like us with we all have the

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same limbs and different sizes, our faces are a little

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bit different or looks a little bit different. So even

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though you can clearly tell where humans but well, all

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are different in our own ways, and that's basically the

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way that the dog man is. I'm still intrigued with

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the red glowing eyes, so that's the reason why I

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said earlier. I'm more leaning towards to supernatural, but you

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have keeping mindmscle Former Detective. I've got to figure out

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and get it in my mind that it's supernatural. Like

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I said, I don't see it walking through any portholes

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or doing anything that that other than disappearing in front

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of them and poof and is gone. And other than

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things like that, I haven't experienced portholes or supernatural things,

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or you know, it being me being two hundred yards

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away from me in a split second, it's ten yards

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in front of me. I haven't experienced anything like that.

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Speaker 2: If they are supernatural creatures, just imagine all the extra

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advantages they would have over us. I mean, even if

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they are just flesh and blood creatures, they've got so

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many advantages over us out there in the woods that

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it's already ridiculous. But yeah, back to the whole. If

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they are supernatural beings, that just really ticks it over

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the top. It really does. When you notice that dog

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man's eyes shift from red to amber and then back again,

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do you think that might have just been due to

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the angles that you're looking at its eyes at or

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do you think it actually changed the color of its eyeshine?

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Speaker 3: No, it actually changed. I haven't got that explanation down

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pat yet. I believe in frequencies and matter scientific research.

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I believe that whether it's so much more smarter than

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we are and so much more intelligent, I believe it's

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mastered certain things. So that's what's got me hung on

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the fence. Not fully they're just super natural, but I'm

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getting close to that.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I think that it could be like the Sasquatch and

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use seer stones. It's just it's just a strange creature,

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very terrifying. Most people, if you took out in the field,

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will you didn't seen one like that? I mean we would,

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They would more than likely go into shop.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I just try to keep my wits about me and

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try to explain certain things. Maybe maybe when it was

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on the rock looking at me, it was focused in

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on me as a predator to come after me. And

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of course we all know predators have eye shines that

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are red. And then out of curiosity, when it goes

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down on the round and its eyes changed to what

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I call an amber which could be considered a gold color,

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and then turned back to red. It has a lot

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to do with its intelligence and mastering what I call frequencies.

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And that's generally what I've come to the conclusion of.

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Speaker 2: When you look at how there are so many eyewitnesses

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out there, credible eyewitnesses reports seeing these guys do things

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that could only be explained away if they are supernatural creatures,

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it's really hard to just dismiss out of hand the

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possibility that that's what they are, or at least some

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of these guys are. So it really does make you wonder.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it does, because it's some of the things they

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do are supernaturally in a certain aspect. Of course, like

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I said, I'm no expert on but that's a very possibility.

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And you know, when I get to that point and

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that that happens, I can confirm and say it's supernatural.

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And I'll be the first one to say one hundred

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percent it's supernatural. And but like I said, I'm on

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the pence, but I'm more on the supernatural side because

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of the different characteristics about it, the way it moves.

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Some I come across that one in particular that followed

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me back to my vehicle and hid in an old house.

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It had like a laser looking eyes, the red eyes

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like produced a laser. Now that one right there, the

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old people would call a haint. And because that is supernatural.

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But that's again it could be a frequency. I can't

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could definitely say it supernatural because I really don't want.

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I have to have a little bit more proof in

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my mind and investigative mind, but I would I wouldn't

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if somebody told me what they've seen in the city

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was supernatural, supernatural, I wouldn't call them a liar or

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disagree with them, because these things do, some do some

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supernatural acts that I haven't been able to actually prove supernatural.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of evidence out there that definitely

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supports the idea that's what they are. It's hard to

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deny it never did, of course. But did that first

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dog man's body proportions give you the impression that it

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could have stood up on its back legs and move

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around while you're watching it or did that never occur

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to you?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it could have stood up. The upper portion was

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more muscular, and the muscular texture about it was more

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human like in the front. That's another reason why I

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didn't shoot, because if I don't, if I don't know

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what it is, I'm not a type of person just

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to shoot and find out later. So I try to

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something I don't understand. I don't want to kill it.

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I don't want to kill anything unless it puts me

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in the spot. Did I have no other choice? But yes,

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it was different too.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. How tall do you think

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it would have been if it would have stood up

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on its back legs.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that first one as a tree stand. Wow, probably

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one of the more deer ones I've ever I'm across

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a good seven to eight feet, more like eight feet,

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probably because it had a six to well, it could

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even been bigger than that. I figured eight, but had

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just six to seven foot tail. The tail was two

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thirds of the length of its body. So yeah, you're

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looking at seven and a half probably eight feet.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty big man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's long, extremely long.

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Speaker 2: Now, I believe it you stayed out for a while.

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How long was it that you stayed out of the

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woods after you had that first experience?

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 3: The year and a half. Two years after that experience,

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it took me. That was one of my hunting spots

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on the farm own, and so I didn't go back

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there and hunt for a good well, it was two

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deer seasons later before I went back there to hunt

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in that particular stand. I did do other honey on

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other places, but it's more like squirrel hunting, a small

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game honey. But yeah, it shook me a little bit,

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to be honest, we didn't scare me. It's just I

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didn't want to encounter something like that. On the ground

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right off. I had had to uh mullered over in

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my head, so to speak, trying to figure out what

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exactly it was.

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine the thoughts it must have been

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going through your head after seeing something like that. You

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had no clue they were out there. If that encounter

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affected you that much, is it safe to say that

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that encounter affected you more than any other?

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Speaker 3: Uh? It ranks right up there and the probably the

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top twenty, you know, So yeah, it of course, your

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your first encounters was to creatures like this always affect

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you a little bit more, but it ranks right up there.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And now I think I give more thought about this

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in over time. So yeah, I guess you could say

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it's somewhat uh, affected me longer than the others. Some

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that I got had real close encounters with. You know,

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they're they're they're the ones you will dream about, you know.

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Speaker 2: Now. I understand two years later, when you were a

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gen singh hunting, you said that you saw that that

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one was watching you from above. Did you get the

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impression that was watching you because it was hunting you

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that day, or did you think it was just watching

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you for another reason?

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Speaker 3: Well, generally, I think it was it was basically hunting me. Uh,

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it was up on it was up on that bluff,

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just staring at me. And ah, it was stretched out

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standing up like it it wanted to pounce, like a

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mountain wine or something.

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Speaker 1: It was just.

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Speaker 3: You could see at feet sort of pick up and

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sit down. So that's the one that jumped off that rock.

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And then when I hid behind a tree, it circled me.

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That's the one that its eyes turned color a different

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color than red. And I knew then that it wasn't

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going to attack me, at least I hoped it wouldn't.

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And then that's what I eased out. And then when

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I seen you in the kin, it did have the

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red eyes. Now that time it was definitely on me.

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Speaker 2: You also went on to tell us how after you

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made it back to your car that day that you

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were trying to leave, when all of a sudden it

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attacked your car, like it was trying to rip your

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car apart to get to you, to get at you.

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Why do you think it waited until then, after you'd

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got into the relative safety of your car to start

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acting that way.

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Speaker 3: Well, at that time, i'd made it up to a

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hayfield and the haybuild the fall cut, and they and

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they cut it. When they cut the hay and the

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fall cut, they cut it pretty close to the grounds.

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And what was left was no longer, no longer than

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five inches at the most of grass sticking up. And

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I made sure I got in the center of the

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hayfield heading back to my car. But I wasn't in

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a big hurry. It was a stop, slow motion stop, look,

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walk a few more feet, slowly, look on guard. And

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at that time I had pulled my pistol out, and

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I had my pistol out, and then I was talking

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out loud, in a deep voice, talking out loud. And

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when I got to right about to the car, I

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stopped again looking and didn't see anything. And then when

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I got in the car, and I had that particular

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one I had when I put always leave my keys

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in my car. I had left my keys and the

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driver's seat under a towel I had in there to

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sit on because you get dirty in the woods and

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try to keep your car see you clean. I reached

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under that towel and I took my eyes off of

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that field in front of him, the sight of me.

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When I reached up and stuck it in the key

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in the ignition and turned it over and it started.

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That's when I heard that. It's like something hit my car,

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and I just looked up. When I looked up, there's

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a massive paul my windshield, and there's another massive paul

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over the top of my mirror against the other glass,

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the driver's glass, and then the car just pushed down.

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The front of the car on the driver's side just

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pushed down. And then that's when my windshield cracked and

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they started cracking. So I backed out. I didn't know

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the extent of the damage until the next day, but

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I backed out and turned around and headed home. But yeah,

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it was. That was again another exceptionally large one. It

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had a when it showed me his teeth through the

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winder of my car, windshielded my car, and looking down

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the side at me, it's had all had a black

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tongue in the inside of its mouth was totally black.

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It did have the red glowing eyes, but I didn't

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look directly into him.

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Speaker 2: I can only imagine the thoughts that must have been

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going through your mind.

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Speaker 3: At that time. That's intense.

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't need to tell you that Obviously it

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could have easily broken into your car and gotten you

480
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if it really wanted to Bruce. But with that in mind,

481
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,320
is you were sitting there in shock watching all this,

482
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:42,559
watching it do that, did you ever get the impression

483
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,039
that what it was doing was just for show, not

484
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:46,480
trying to actually get to you.

485
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's it was a warning, you know, That's

486
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,239
all it was if it wanted me. But that was

487
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:59,159
no problem. That was no problem. When I got in

488
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,039
to get my key out from under the I'd sat

489
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:03,800
down on the towel and I had to reach back

490
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,159
up under my right side, uh, under my thigh to

491
00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:10,199
get my key and pulled it out. I had laid

492
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:13,159
my pistol in the passenger seat, so the pistol was

493
00:35:13,199 --> 00:35:17,760
in plain view of this animal. But there's no doubt

494
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,199
that if it, if it come running and didn't stop,

495
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,400
I mean it, it would have totaled my car. This

496
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:26,960
thing was just massive and muscular.

497
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: And uh, it.

498
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,559
Speaker 3: Did slobber over the top of my windshield and uh,

499
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,239
you know, when I got turned around to take off,

500
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,800
it did jump up on top of the very top

501
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:41,440
of the car.

502
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:43,039
Speaker 1: Uh.

503
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 3: And again, uh, it was looking with his head hanging

504
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,800
over looking at me on the driver's side winder, and

505
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,840
then it slabbered that one window up. So I don't

506
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,079
have any doubt that if it really wanted me, I

507
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:00,719
think it was just a warm need to get out

508
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,079
of town, telling me, hey, it's time for you to go.

509
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: Well, i'd say it made a perfect ear on that.

510
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:11,159
It definitely did. Now, when it slobbered on your windshield

511
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,119
like that, did the detective side of you say, Okay,

512
00:36:14,199 --> 00:36:16,840
that's forensic evidence. I need to gather that after I

513
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,039
get home and send that into the labb or did

514
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:21,159
you just dismiss that?

515
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,519
Speaker 3: No, I just dismissed it. I had to cut my

516
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:30,119
windshield washer blood on and use the wipers, and then

517
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:34,760
when I got home, I claimed the windors that stuff

518
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,360
had dried anyway, and I just claimed the winders and

519
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,400
more concerned about my windshield because the bottom part of

520
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,800
the crack had been pushed in enough to where when

521
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,360
you run your hand up across that crack, it would

522
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:56,280
catch your fingers. So it just didn't. I just didn't

523
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:59,679
feel the need to collect any samples off of that.

524
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,559
Speaker 2: I understand, like you told us, Unfortunately, it followed you home.

525
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,360
How far did you live from where this all happened, back.

526
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:20,679
Speaker 3: Then, eighteen nineteen miles when it followed me home. I

527
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,000
don't know whether after I slung it off the top

528
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:27,440
of the vehicle. I don't know whether it runs behind

529
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:33,119
the car and I just didn't see it, or by

530
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:38,239
the smell of me or my car, it just tracked

531
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,079
me home. They come all that way on the roads

532
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:43,360
and stuff without being seen. Of course, I don't know

533
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,440
that it wouldn't seen. It could have been seen by

534
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,719
people going down the road. A lot of people see

535
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,679
things like that on the road. But it had followed

536
00:37:52,719 --> 00:38:01,159
me home. Yeah, that wasn't a good feeling to of course.

537
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:06,360
I had a yard dog that and I was home.

538
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:11,239
I can't remember if it's two or three hours, four

539
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,559
hours somewhere in there. And I had already thought about

540
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:21,679
it and was calming down over the situation again, like

541
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,840
you asked, wondering if it was actually going to attack

542
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,280
me or was it just a scare to scare me out,

543
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:39,000
And then the dog later on started barking. And the

544
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:42,119
yard dogs all have different ways of barking. They have

545
00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:46,320
a different way if they see somebody, they'll bark. They

546
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,400
have a different bark if it's a vehicle coming into

547
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,639
your driveway. Different barks. If you have barments and stuff

548
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:56,840
around the house, such as coon spots and foxes stuff

549
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,719
like that, they all have a different barking. And the

550
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,960
way he barked, he barked it it's like somebody was outside,

551
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:12,000
in which he wouldn't buy the human unless I sicked

552
00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,679
him on a human. And so I just got up

553
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,639
to see what he was barking at, because you know,

554
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:21,679
it could easily been a family member of somebody coming up.

555
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,239
And I just didn't see him come in the driveway,

556
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,400
but I went to the back door to open it.

557
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:31,039
I flipped a porch loud on and opened the big door.

558
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:33,079
And when I pushed the screen door opened, the dog

559
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,840
run between my legs and then I knew something wasn't

560
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,639
right because it was totally out of his carder. He'd

561
00:39:38,679 --> 00:39:43,880
never done that before. He was not an inside dog.

562
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,159
You couldn't make him an inside dog. He was one

563
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:50,679
of the dogs that just stayed outside. He loved being outside.

564
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,440
And then you know, it went from there to I

565
00:39:56,519 --> 00:40:03,760
put him eventially put him out the front door, and

566
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,000
he had calmed down quite a bit at that time

567
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:09,920
over a few minutes and again. He was like I said,

568
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,480
you couldn't keep him in the house. He wanted it

569
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:15,639
back out. So instead of just open the door and

570
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,079
letting him run out, whatever it was it spooked him.

571
00:40:18,119 --> 00:40:20,039
I was right, he would run back after it. So

572
00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:22,159
I just held his collar and walked him out the

573
00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:26,760
door and turned him loose on the front porch, and

574
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,960
he seemed to be all right. And then when I

575
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,639
went back in and a few minutes it was he

576
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:40,079
just let out a terrible scream, like something was attacking you.

577
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: And then.

578
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 3: I heard that loud howling call scream between a whoop

579
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,400
and a mountain lion toop scream and holler, and then

580
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,599
I knew for the fact something was out there. And

581
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:01,760
then I already looked out the back door. We got

582
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,599
a flashlight looked out the back door when he first

583
00:41:04,639 --> 00:41:06,840
came in, and I hadn't seen anything, so I just

584
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,239
you know, brushed it off and never thinking about this

585
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:19,599
creature following me home. Went from that to checking, Uh

586
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,519
had my gun and stuff, and just sitting there checking

587
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:30,079
and just watching from there. And then like I said,

588
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,840
I went back in the house watching TV again. Of course,

589
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,360
the dogs started screaming in the loudhile I got the

590
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,880
gun went out the front door.

591
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:39,599
Speaker 1: And.

592
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: I didn't I shot him there. I didn't take it

593
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,199
a shot at it when the light hit it. Of course,

594
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,440
I seen the red eyes before I even shine a

595
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:54,800
flashlight on it. I wouldn't the light hit it. It

596
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,480
was evidently what it was. It followed me home. It

597
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:02,199
was the same one, but it took off running when

598
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,519
I shot up in there, and I pretty much thought

599
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:11,760
that was the end of it. But the dog come

600
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,559
back in the house with me again, which was unusual

601
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:19,280
for him, and then he went around each room on

602
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,920
one side of the house, and he come around to

603
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,880
the other side in the house, and when he went

604
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,480
into my bedroom, he went to the north facing winder

605
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:33,920
and done a slow bark or slow growl with a whimper,

606
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,639
started backing up and sat down. And then he turned

607
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:42,719
around in just a few seconds later, looking at the

608
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,880
east side winder in my bedroom and started doing the

609
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,000
same thing. So I knew this creature hadn't left. He

610
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:53,880
was outside the house, and there was no way I

611
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,159
could get around to it without his seeing me on

612
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:58,960
that side of the house. So I went ahead and

613
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,800
went anyway, and I took my gun out there. I

614
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,760
had a good, good bright flashlight, and I stepped around.

615
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,280
When I got to the corner of the house, I

616
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,440
just stepped out from the corner of the house from

617
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,239
the light and there it stood. And then I shot

618
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:23,000
it and it took off and it run and went

619
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:29,039
across the garden into a big set of woods. So

620
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:34,599
I went back in the house, and this time instead

621
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:38,199
of my shotgun, I had gotten my two forty three

622
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:39,960
out of the gun cap had put it in the

623
00:43:40,039 --> 00:43:43,800
living room, and I had picked up a fresh box

624
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,079
of shells a couple of days before that, so I

625
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:53,239
had to pull box of sheels and waited. Nothing happened.

626
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:55,960
After about thirty minutes, the dog was walking back out,

627
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,079
so I put him back out. This time I put

628
00:43:58,159 --> 00:43:59,760
him out the back door and stead I let him

629
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:06,079
go out the front. And the next morning, after day loud,

630
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:09,639
around six thirty or seven o'clock, I went out and

631
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:16,079
sat on the gladder rocker drinking my coffee, and I

632
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:19,360
heard a call. I had been out there probably a

633
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,519
good ten minutes, and I heard this call, and I

634
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:28,199
was like, whoo, that's him. He's back. So I went,

635
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:30,880
I got my two forty three and suck a fresh

636
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,360
box of shells in my pocket, and I had already

637
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:43,480
loaded together with three shells, and I said, left it

638
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,000
right inside the door, and I walked down into the woods,

639
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:49,199
walked back to outside, and walked across the garden down

640
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:52,719
into the woods. It's a big, deep holler and the

641
00:44:52,760 --> 00:45:00,440
woods went for about five miles. And spotted it, so

642
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,679
I got into the shady side of the tree. The

643
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,719
sun was on the east coming up, so the west

644
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,679
side of the tree was shady, so I went and

645
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,480
as soon as I spotted him, and he moved in

646
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,800
just out of my sight, I went back and reached

647
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:23,840
opened the front door and reached in and got my

648
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,559
rifle and went back this time, and then eased down

649
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,599
further and got into on the other side of a

650
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:34,840
tree that on the shady side of it was on

651
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,000
where I could camouflage myself in And then it made

652
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:40,519
a move again, and this time, instead of when I

653
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,320
looked through the scope, instead of shooting in, I decided

654
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:48,920
to shoot the ground was side of it, and I

655
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,079
shot the ground beside of it, and it took off

656
00:45:51,679 --> 00:45:54,280
and it went just a few yards and then went

657
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,760
up on the back side of a tree. It went up,

658
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,280
so I eased down on a few more yards, and

659
00:46:02,039 --> 00:46:05,639
i'd put off two more rounds, and I reloaded, and

660
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:08,880
then he come out of that tree and hit the

661
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:12,679
ground and went down to the very bottom of the holler.

662
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,639
And when he'd done that, there was a big spring

663
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,360
down there, and that opening I could see get a better.

664
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,760
I could see him better this time, and sure enough

665
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,800
it was the same one that I had seen in

666
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,280
the woods the day before, and the one that I

667
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:34,400
had shot that night. And I just shot another six

668
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:37,960
or seven times and kept I'd move out a few

669
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,159
more yards until I found myself down in the spring branch,

670
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:44,880
and then I went another one hundred or one hundred

671
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,920
and fifty yards, just taking pop shots at him. And

672
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:59,280
then he had crossed over into another holler, and I

673
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,400
said there a good two or three more hours and

674
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:04,519
didn't hear nothing or see nothing. So I went on

675
00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:11,519
back to the house, my guns still loaded, sat down

676
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:13,280
in the front forest and went in and got a

677
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,519
new cup coffee, come back out, sat down, and I

678
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:20,079
didn't hear nothing else for a good two or three

679
00:47:20,159 --> 00:47:22,039
more hours. So that was ind of that, and I

680
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:25,880
pushed him out, and I didn't have any more problems

681
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:26,559
out of that one.

682
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: Thank goodness, he didn't. If those woods by your house

683
00:47:31,559 --> 00:47:34,920
ran five miles into the distance, was a place where

684
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,360
you first saw him when you were agensing hunting in

685
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,239
the direction of those woods relative to your home or

686
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,239
another direction.

687
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,159
Speaker 3: No, they were in another direction. They were in another direction.

688
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: I was on.

689
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 3: A massive piece of property back to the ward. That

690
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,639
rock was at a steady pace. It was probably a

691
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:03,960
good to our walk or I first had to encounter

692
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:04,320
with you.

693
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: Things got awfully in tents that night.

694
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,559
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

695
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 3: When he followed me home like that, I just you know,

696
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,159
I truly said and done. That showed me, and I

697
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:19,440
taught me a lesson not to come straight home when

698
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,400
I haven't encountered, to just take alternate routes. Goes by

699
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,599
a convenience store, a cup coffee, cold drink, or whatever,

700
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,159
hang around for a few minutes, and take some alternate routes,

701
00:48:32,199 --> 00:48:36,519
different roads going home. Ever, go straight home. I was

702
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:38,880
a valuable or a lesson I learned that night.

703
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 2: You learned that lesson the hard way.

704
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 3: Exactly, And it's one you don't forget.

705
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: Oh, i'd say, after you knew it had followed you home,

706
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,760
did you move us in as you could, or did

707
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,360
you keep living there for some time?

708
00:48:56,119 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: Oh, I'll live there another seven years, So yeah, it

709
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:07,559
was not Uh. By then, I'd had enough encounters that

710
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:12,000
I was pretty used to the way they reacted, how

711
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:18,280
they would do, and and that one there was just uh.

712
00:49:18,639 --> 00:49:20,960
I think he was toying within me to an extent,

713
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,280
and may he may have been just as curious about

714
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:29,840
me as I was him too. Uh where I talked

715
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,280
out loud going through the hayfield, stopping and listening and

716
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,559
not running, and he was probably used to seeing people

717
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:41,320
run and he was probably just and I know it

718
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,679
was a mail. There was a big nail.

719
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: Uh, he was just.

720
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,039
Speaker 3: I guess he decided to follow me home and check

721
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:50,519
me out.

722
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: I'd say he did.

723
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:59,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, But yeah, that was a that was a and

724
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:06,320
it's that don't want to repeat. It's not funny, but

725
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,679
you have to laugh because it was pretty serious that night.

726
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:17,039
But I've had the other encounters in the of course

727
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:22,159
with the pupp and stuff, and since then, I've had gosh,

728
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:28,760
several encounters since that encounter, and it just goes on

729
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,440
and only like I said, sometimes you go out, well

730
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:34,320
most of the time you go out there, you don't

731
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,920
find anything or have any encounters. But then there's those

732
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:42,320
moments in times that you you have encounters, and they.

733
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:42,559
Speaker 1: Can be.

734
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 3: They can get pretty hairy and tricky on you if

735
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:53,280
you if you are not paying attention, and you just

736
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,280
got to keep your keep your wits about you, keep

737
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,360
beer pushed out of your mind. Uh, fear will cause

738
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,400
you to make mistakes, and mistakes makes you more vulnerable.

739
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:08,920
So I'll just try to keep that in mind and

740
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:10,480
go from there.

741
00:51:11,559 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: It sounds like you handled these experiences really well. You

742
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:18,360
sure did Did you get any sleep at all that night?

743
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,920
Or did you stay up? No?

744
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 3: I stayed up, You know, I stayed up because after

745
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:29,000
I knew for sure what it was, I stayed up.

746
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:34,760
That cup of coffee was a blessing that morning, you know,

747
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:35,440
it's just a.

748
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:39,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

749
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:44,559
Speaker 3: I stayed up all night. I didn't know what its

750
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:49,519
plans were, And as daylight come along, I was pretty

751
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:54,880
pretty satisfied it left. But it hadn't left, and so

752
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,159
I pushed it on out by uh going after it

753
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:03,960
and shooting, hiding. When they'd show itself, I'd shoot, and

754
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:06,360
we just kept kept moving till I pushed it out

755
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,679
the area. Yeah, I found out when you run running

756
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:12,440
into things like that around your homes or your barns,

757
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:18,039
your bar or on your property. You can give it

758
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:20,320
a chance to leave. If it doesn't leave, then you

759
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,840
just got to push it. You've got to push it

760
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,719
off your property. You got to get it away from

761
00:52:27,119 --> 00:52:27,599
I don't.

762
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,079
Speaker 2: Need to tell you there are a lot of people

763
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:32,239
who couldn't do that, So I guess it just depends

764
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,119
on what kind of resources you have and other things

765
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,880
as to whether you can do that or not. And

766
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,159
also too, if you try to push it away sometimes

767
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:43,880
I can backfire and cause a lot of problems for

768
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,360
you that you wouldn't have had to deal with.

769
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:52,519
Speaker 3: Well, true, true, But then you'd have to if it

770
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:55,039
wouldn't leave, then you wouldn't have any other choice if

771
00:52:55,079 --> 00:52:57,679
you're at home, just to shoot it and try to,

772
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,960
you know, make a keel shout out. He wouldn't have

773
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:05,159
any other choice. Oh sure, I think they thought these

774
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:10,239
things are smart. They know when they're you mean business

775
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,760
and and at your homes like that, and you've got

776
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,400
nowhere else to go. All you can do is try

777
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:21,559
to protect yourself. And how we do that, just we

778
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,719
we try to kill something like that. It's just human nature.

779
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you. You already know this. They're

780
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,920
definitely not easy to kill. Right the night that dogged

781
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,000
me and jumped out of the cedar tree and went

782
00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:39,400
to that man's barn you're hunting with, if you would

783
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,679
have tried to take a roundabout path to get to

784
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,519
his house, keeping a lot of distance between you and

785
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,719
the barn, of course, did you take a route they

786
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,239
kept you away from the woods when you're doing that,

787
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:53,280
or what do you have had to go into the

788
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,239
woods to get around that barn.

789
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,079
Speaker 3: In a roundabout way? No, we went. We went to

790
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:01,599
the barn because we're there were still other ones out there.

791
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,920
We didn't know where they were at when we spotted

792
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,679
the one that crossed the creek in front of us.

793
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:13,719
They were more on the left of us and more

794
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:15,800
on the right of us. We don't know exactly how

795
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,000
many there was that night. They could have been three,

796
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:22,360
they could have been five. We had no other choice

797
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,800
to head down to the barn. We knew it was

798
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,679
in the barn because it was making the Howland sounds.

799
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,960
When we got to the barn, it really cut a shine,

800
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,480
and so we knew it was in the barn, and

801
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:39,199
we had to make that decision, or basically, we left

802
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,400
it up to the land owner of the guy that

803
00:54:41,559 --> 00:54:44,119
was hunting with us, that owned the barn, whether we

804
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:46,280
should enter the barn and try to take it out.

805
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,559
So said didn't get in his barn, you know, and

806
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:55,119
it was pretty close to his house, but out of

807
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,679
I think out of fear, he decided not to go

808
00:54:59,639 --> 00:55:01,960
enter the barn. For us to enter the barn because

809
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,000
he was worried about one of us getting heard or killed.

810
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 2: That's understandable. Yeah, it takes a lot of nerve to

811
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,039
follow a dog man into a barn like that. When

812
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,440
you spoke with that eyewitness who had his encounter at

813
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:19,320
Standing Stone State Park, were you there more so to

814
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,119
try to help him deal with his encounter or just

815
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:23,559
to investigate this sighting.

816
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 3: No, I was there to help him deal with his encounter.

817
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:32,639
Another man had called me and said this farmer was

818
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:36,719
pretty upset. He was, you know, he really needed somebody

819
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,119
to talk to figure out what he was talking about.

820
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:45,440
And this guy knew that if anybody knew what it was,

821
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:50,119
it'd be me. So I agreed to talk to the man.

822
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:54,119
So this guy called this man back. This other farmer

823
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:56,559
back and told him, said, he's gonna come out and

824
00:55:56,559 --> 00:56:01,079
see you. So when I went there, uh, he was.

825
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:03,400
He was literally afraid to come out of his house

826
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:04,559
in the middle of the day.

827
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: And that was a.

828
00:56:09,559 --> 00:56:13,679
Speaker 3: H He had been back his his farm borders his

829
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,639
property line borders Standing Stone State Park.

830
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: And.

831
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:23,519
Speaker 3: He'd been backer checking on his cattle. He drove his

832
00:56:23,559 --> 00:56:27,840
little tractor back there, and uh, he had seen it,

833
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:34,000
and he didn't he couldn't quite understand what it was,

834
00:56:34,039 --> 00:56:37,679
but he knew what he's seen, and he turned the

835
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,000
tractor around and put it in the high gear coming

836
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:43,280
out of the field and down in old Lane, and

837
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:48,559
it run at him. And he thought, in his belief

838
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:50,599
as he was telling me, he thought he had outrun it.

839
00:56:50,639 --> 00:56:53,119
And I told him, no, he didn't outrun it. It

840
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,719
just bluff charged you. And I explained what I meant,

841
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,039
but bluff charging to him.

842
00:56:58,039 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 1: And man, he.

843
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:06,320
Speaker 3: Who's more worried about it coming around the house or

844
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,280
coming in on Humany's wife. And then he wasn't going

845
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,599
back after and checking on the cows and stuff. So

846
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,360
I told him I would, uh, if it was all

847
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,480
right with him, I would come back that night and

848
00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:21,159
call it up or try to, and we did.

849
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: We called it up and uh.

850
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:28,559
Speaker 3: We first started out in the right inside of the woods.

851
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:31,559
But then when we we called three different packs of

852
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,559
coyotes that night, but we had one loaner that had

853
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:39,519
a different voice. I knew what it was, or suspected

854
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:43,000
what it was, so I told him, I said, it's

855
00:57:43,079 --> 00:57:45,880
just coyotes. Let's go back and sit on your front porch.

856
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:49,440
So we went and sat on the front porch and

857
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:52,239
I was using a Johnny Walker game caller that had

858
00:57:52,239 --> 00:57:58,480
a Cayo pup squeller on. It's it's a very intense call,

859
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:02,320
and so I cut it on and we were sitting

860
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,920
on the porch with her guns and I said, you know,

861
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,679
it's kyotes. They come down, we'll get a shot on them.

862
00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:14,280
And we were there for fire to two hours and

863
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:19,199
after they got so far down the holler towards his

864
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:24,360
house or we didn't hear anything else, you know. And

865
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,039
it was a good couple of hours and nothing, nothing

866
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:31,480
else was going on. So his wife had cooked supper,

867
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:35,320
and uh, of course he was late eating, so she

868
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:39,719
come out and brought us a platter pull of fried chicken,

869
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,679
and uh. One of the statements she made to is.

870
00:58:45,719 --> 00:58:48,400
She said, John boys have steered up something that steered

871
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,360
up a bunch of haints, which haints to it's a

872
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,880
country folkus ghosts and spirits and stuff like that.

873
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

874
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 3: So we were sitting her. She had gone back in

875
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:05,760
and we were sitting there, still running the game collar

876
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,719
and we were talking back and forth in a low voice,

877
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:14,639
and I had reached over and cut the game collar

878
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,199
off and we sit there to we eat a few

879
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:23,199
pieces of chicken, and I asked him what do you

880
00:59:23,239 --> 00:59:24,960
want me to do with the chicken, just leaving on

881
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,000
the plate or whatever, and he's like, now, I'll put

882
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,199
it out in the yard. Because he said, I'll just

883
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:30,800
have to take it out after a while and throw

884
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,960
it in the hall b lot and he said I

885
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:38,280
don't care about going after I said, okay, I just

886
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,880
threw them out in the yard and we both had

887
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,960
got done. Ian was sitting there drinking it's a glass

888
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,119
of tea, and I told him I'm going to start

889
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,679
the collar back. So I started the collar back and

890
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,440
we were sitting there just really not expecting anything to happen,

891
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,559
and we heard the bones crunching, bones breaking. We knew

892
00:59:58,599 --> 01:00:04,519
it was picking bones. We throwed out there. So I

893
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:10,000
reached down. I had my We were sitting in a

894
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,840
single chair. It was more like a rocking chair. Yeah,

895
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:17,800
it wasn't a rock or glider. It was like a uh,

896
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:25,119
just a straight back wooden chairs. I reached down and

897
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:29,000
got my flashlight and shouted out there in the yard

898
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,679
in front of us, and there stood a big woop

899
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:34,320
on his back legs even. I mean, he was tearing

900
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:40,280
into these chicken bones. And he was eating chicken bones

901
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:45,079
and didn't paying attentions in the light. And so I

902
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,239
reached over and I cut the game collar off. When

903
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:50,440
I cut the game collar off, he looked directly at us,

904
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:54,559
I mean he just boom, looked right at his red eyes,

905
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,239
so I know them, Okay. I had the gun in

906
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:02,039
my hand and it tore out, running on all fours,

907
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,239
but it went up a big maple tree. It was

908
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,880
a massive maple tree, and we watched it go all

909
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,840
the way to the top of it and get in

910
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,599
a ball on the top of it like it was

911
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:16,760
hid from us. And of course he shook this farmer

912
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:24,239
up pretty good. And I told him, I said, we're

913
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,840
going to have to get him out of this tree

914
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,360
and get him away from this house. We had a

915
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:36,920
shotgun there with a UH number eight low brash shot,

916
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,239
which is bird shot, and we went out in the

917
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:45,000
yard and abating him. We're to shoot shoot him or

918
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,519
shoot at him. And I said, well, we'll just we'll

919
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:50,719
just shoot up in there. But so let's back up

920
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:52,599
and make sure we get in the spot and if

921
01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:54,519
he jumps out of his tree, don't jump down on

922
01:01:54,599 --> 01:01:57,199
top of us. And so that's what we did. We

923
01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:00,159
sit there and shot several rounds in the tree. He

924
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:05,039
come down the tree chin twelve fifteen feet and then

925
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:09,599
jumped and hit his driveway, took off running. He went

926
01:02:09,639 --> 01:02:13,119
past the mailbox. We still had our relights on him,

927
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:17,519
and he was running down that driveway on two legs.

928
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:19,679
He doesn't come up on two legs and was running.

929
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,320
And then he made a right hand turned and turned

930
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:28,440
into the woods. And I sit there with him until

931
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,960
a good forty five minutes to an hour after daylight,

932
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:35,800
and nothing else ever happened. And then talking to him later,

933
01:02:36,719 --> 01:02:39,119
he could hear him off in the distance, but nothing

934
01:02:39,679 --> 01:02:43,960
ever come back down there again and bothered him. So

935
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:46,559
he was comfortable with that. Now did he knew how

936
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:50,800
what they sounded? Like he was more comfortable and felt better,

937
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:55,320
so he just keeps a weapon on him. But that

938
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:56,840
was the last time he had.

939
01:03:00,519 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: On his property.

940
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,719
Speaker 2: Thank goodness. He wasn't bothered again, poor man. No one

941
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:06,800
should have to live like.

942
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:11,639
Speaker 3: That, right, right, you don't know what you're dealing with,

943
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,119
it cauldn't be scary. Of course, his wife heard a

944
01:03:15,239 --> 01:03:18,039
shooting and she come out there on the porch while

945
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:20,320
she and she was didn't disbelieve when it hit the

946
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:23,000
ground and took off running, so she actually got to

947
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:23,599
see it too.

948
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 2: I don't like the fact that it must have shook

949
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,280
her up quite a bit by seeing it, But on

950
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:31,360
the other hand, I'm glad she did get to see it,

951
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,039
so she knew what they were dealing.

952
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:37,199
Speaker 3: With exactly exactly. And we had no choice but try

953
01:03:37,239 --> 01:03:39,320
to run it off. And then we couldn't leave it there.

954
01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:46,840
We had to run it off, and of course we

955
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,760
didn't have anything but bird shot, and of course it

956
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:55,000
was a twenty gage shotgun. It was a pump shotgun

957
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:59,559
instead of a single action like I had. He had

958
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:04,519
a pump shotgun that he handed me that evening. Of

959
01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:06,960
course I had my rifle in Michael car but I

960
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:12,440
never got it out and we built it morell I

961
01:04:12,519 --> 01:04:18,599
feeled it full of bird shots. I think it pretty

962
01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:23,239
much got the got the news he wasn't welcome there.

963
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:26,119
See he never come back it.

964
01:04:26,199 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: Sure it sounds like it did. And thank goodness you

965
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:32,639
told us about that dog man pup you held on

966
01:04:32,719 --> 01:04:37,039
episode six twenty three. Did it feel unusually warm to

967
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:39,760
the touch or did it feel like it was just

968
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,039
about the temperature you'd expect the dog to be.

969
01:04:43,199 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 3: He was slightly warmer than you would think, of course

970
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:51,599
he was. He didn't have any hair on it. It

971
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:59,199
was fuzzed. He was just a big fur ball. When

972
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:06,119
he was coming down buying, and then I stuck. I

973
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:08,840
had a pair of gloves in my pocket, and I

974
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,840
had pulled one of the gloves out, and instead of

975
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:12,519
putting it on my hand, I just held it in

976
01:05:12,599 --> 01:05:14,239
my hand and stuck it out in front of me.

977
01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:16,400
And when he come down long enough for where I

978
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,159
could reach up and touch his face with a glove,

979
01:05:19,679 --> 01:05:22,960
he never made any attempt to bite the glove or anything,

980
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:29,599
So I just dropped the glove and reached up and

981
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,239
put my arms around him. Still even made no attempt

982
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,840
to bite me or anything, So I just picked him

983
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,519
up and set him down on the ground and was

984
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:41,760
looking him over trying to figure out what it was.

985
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,800
And his tail was missing, but he had about a

986
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:50,159
three inch bloody note gnuves sticking up for a tail.

987
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,800
I don't know whether it was got cut off, bitting off,

988
01:05:54,880 --> 01:06:02,360
or had an accident he lost his tail. He he

989
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,400
could follow me without any problems with his eye side,

990
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:12,000
and he was turning his head. I picked him up

991
01:06:12,039 --> 01:06:13,599
and I sat down on the ground and set him

992
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:16,320
in my lap, and I raised his upper lip. Was

993
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,760
looking at his teeth, and I was like, you know, amaze,

994
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,960
how long the teeth he had to be just a

995
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:27,840
pup and the top teeth were just a little bit

996
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:32,280
longer than the bottom teeth. And I noticed on the

997
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:36,239
one side of it there was a pocket next to

998
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:41,320
the gun, just a piece of skin leathery like that.

999
01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:45,880
I was just out of place, and so I turned

1000
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,880
him around, looked to the other side. He had one

1001
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,960
on the same side. And then when he shut his mouth,

1002
01:06:51,679 --> 01:06:56,639
I had my fingers holding his lips apart. When he

1003
01:06:56,679 --> 01:07:02,840
shut his mouth, those bottom teeth went right into perfectly

1004
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:10,599
into those pockets, and then his top teeth hung just

1005
01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:16,039
right outside of the skin past the gums over outside

1006
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:22,119
just about a inch like it was tusk, but from

1007
01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:26,440
the top instead of the bottom, so they were hanging

1008
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:31,719
out like tusk. He had a short face on him,

1009
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,960
meaning a short snout, And while I was looking at

1010
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,159
his mouth, I noticed that his mouth was mostly pink

1011
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:43,480
with a black spot here and there, just blotching. And

1012
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:52,039
I pushed the fur backer in the front of his

1013
01:07:52,119 --> 01:07:55,119
face where his eyes were, and it was just just

1014
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:59,480
shocked for a second. Because he didn't have rigular eyeballs.

1015
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:03,760
He had looked like two glass eyes that you could

1016
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:08,719
see through. I couldn't see a pupil or anything, but

1017
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:12,960
he could follow my shadow when I was moving around,

1018
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,399
he could. He could uh when I was fooling with him,

1019
01:08:16,399 --> 01:08:21,319
he could turn and look at me, and so I

1020
01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:24,840
knew he wasn't a blind or anything. I was thinking, well,

1021
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,119
maybe he's young enough, he's he's not fully got his

1022
01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:32,000
sight in yet. But again I don't I really don't know,

1023
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,800
because I've never seen that kind of eye eyeball. It

1024
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,319
looked like the glass marbles, and you could you know,

1025
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:46,520
you're looking into glass marbles. And I didn't. I didn't

1026
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:49,640
mess with him. Maybe ten or twelve minutes. I sat

1027
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,520
down and petted him and stuff.

1028
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 1: And he was, uh.

1029
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 3: He wasn't what you'd call playful, like a little pup

1030
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:04,159
who was really he was more pushy. But he had

1031
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:08,560
big feet, massive feet on him. And so I went

1032
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,640
to I said, I've better pick him back up and

1033
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,760
set him back up on this spine where he was at,

1034
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,159
because I knew there had to be a mother around somewhere,

1035
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:21,279
and so I put him back up on the mine.

1036
01:09:21,319 --> 01:09:23,119
When I put him on the bne, it was, well,

1037
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,239
I might have to leave him on the ground. But

1038
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:28,640
when I put him on the bine, his claws come

1039
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:31,640
out of his feet and hung the mine, and he

1040
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:36,119
just slowly just went right back up. But now he

1041
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:40,960
had a strange front legs too. His front legs. When

1042
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:45,439
I set him down in that trail, his front legs

1043
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,800
from the elbow to the pad touched the ground. His

1044
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:56,199
back legs were regular like a dog should be. So

1045
01:09:56,279 --> 01:10:00,159
I knew I was there was something wrong here. I

1046
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:07,920
just didn't know exactly what. And then I I set

1047
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:11,039
him down, and well, there's a mother around here somewhere,

1048
01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:14,079
And I put some distance and I went up all

1049
01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:16,800
of the trailer around so far, dropped back down the hill,

1050
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:22,319
went into another holler, got on the left hand side

1051
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:24,880
of that holler and started cutting my way back up

1052
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:28,960
the mount mount and mean cutting my way, just walking

1053
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:31,600
at an angle instead of going straight up because it

1054
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:38,079
was so steep, and kept hearing this call. He got

1055
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:45,199
louder and louder and went murror and I sat down

1056
01:10:45,279 --> 01:10:47,159
on the rock. I was give out. There was a big,

1057
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:49,479
big flat rock there, and I just sat down on

1058
01:10:49,479 --> 01:10:52,760
the rock. And while I was sitting there, I know

1059
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,239
something to the left of me down the hill, and

1060
01:10:55,319 --> 01:10:58,479
I got to looking, and it was a big black

1061
01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:01,720
thing coming around the hill. And the more I watched,

1062
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:07,239
I realized it was a dog man. And then it

1063
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:11,920
was on all fours. But when it got about even

1064
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,199
women but still to the left of me, it stood

1065
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:18,560
straight up and looked, and I thought I was hid

1066
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,399
and I was being still on the rock, and I

1067
01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:24,000
didn't think it could see me from down and there,

1068
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,720
but it did. And then I got to when it

1069
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,840
stood up and looked at me with those red eyes,

1070
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:37,880
I got this like allergic reaction, heavy breathing, felt like

1071
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:45,520
my throat was closing up. I got up off that

1072
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:50,159
rock and went behind a tree, and I could see

1073
01:11:50,199 --> 01:11:54,720
it coming up at an angle towards me. Well, where

1074
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,800
I was trying to breathe catch my breath, where my

1075
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:03,079
throat was closing, my heart was beating, hebe I could

1076
01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:06,880
hear my heart beating, and I was like, well, if

1077
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,960
this thing gets much closer, it's going to hear me

1078
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:12,880
here my heart. So I decided then to go straight

1079
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,319
up the mountain. And it's a long ways going straight up.

1080
01:12:16,359 --> 01:12:19,319
So I get up so far going straight up, and

1081
01:12:19,359 --> 01:12:23,079
I come across this own logging road. It's growed up.

1082
01:12:23,119 --> 01:12:25,800
So I stayed on that logging road making my way

1083
01:12:25,880 --> 01:12:27,239
up to the top of them because at the top

1084
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:32,319
of the hill is a fence. There's an old logging

1085
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:34,720
roads at the top of the hill, but there's a

1086
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,520
fence on my side that I'm going to have to

1087
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:39,760
cross when I get to the top. So I get

1088
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,239
up there. It's about a four foot moving water fence

1089
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:45,520
with two strands of barbed wire on top of it,

1090
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:49,600
so that made it about five and a half feet tall.

1091
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:52,920
So I get over on the logging road and some

1092
01:12:53,039 --> 01:12:57,279
ATVs and four wheelers and such were had used that

1093
01:12:57,359 --> 01:13:01,279
regular so they wasn't grown up have any sapling trees

1094
01:13:01,399 --> 01:13:04,399
or anything in it, no high weeds or anything. So

1095
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,279
I stayed on it, and I was looking back behind

1096
01:13:08,359 --> 01:13:13,920
me and watching go a little piece and stop. Then

1097
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:17,560
I've seen it come up to the fence and instead

1098
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:21,479
of leaping over the fence or whatever, it just stepped

1099
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,920
right over the fence. So this thing was massive. It

1100
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:30,840
was a massive creature. So I knew by being familiar

1101
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,439
with the area that there was an old barn and

1102
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,479
the house that set back in the fields, or not

1103
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:40,520
a field but growed up. Used to be a field,

1104
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,760
but now it was growed up in sapling trees. So

1105
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:48,399
when I got to that old house that had no

1106
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,640
doors or windows in it, and I got inside of

1107
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:56,479
it and got in a corner where I could see

1108
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,640
all the windows and both doors, and I was in

1109
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,199
there thirty minutes or so and didn't hear anything or

1110
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:05,439
see anything. So I come out of it right slow

1111
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,199
and go around the corner of the house. When I

1112
01:14:07,279 --> 01:14:09,960
go around the corner of the house, there's some small

1113
01:14:10,039 --> 01:14:13,439
saplings about like broomsticks, and a big brier patch there,

1114
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,039
and it goes all the way back almost to my

1115
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:20,159
where my vehicle is, which is still a pretty good

1116
01:14:20,199 --> 01:14:27,520
ways off and he's back out. I get back out

1117
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:32,880
on this old logging road and I'm walking in and

1118
01:14:33,039 --> 01:14:35,000
all of a sudden, I hear noise to my right

1119
01:14:35,079 --> 01:14:37,640
and I just glance over and this thing is on

1120
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:41,000
two legs walking through this brier. It could above be

1121
01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:47,560
sapling and he has that red glowing laser eyes. I

1122
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:51,960
named that one laser eyes. So I wouldn't look him

1123
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,600
directly in the eyes, because you know the old people say,

1124
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:56,439
you know, if you look something in the eyes like that,

1125
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,680
basically a snake, it can chart. Me wouldn't look him

1126
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:04,079
in the eyes. And I just kept walking this stage

1127
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:09,720
of pace with me and I would stop, it would stop,

1128
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:12,560
I would take off, it would take off, and so

1129
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:16,960
I just slowed down my walking to just a slow step,

1130
01:15:17,159 --> 01:15:20,680
talking out loud. And it was intrigued by me because

1131
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,680
it kept. Every time I would stop, it would stop

1132
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,479
and just look me up and down. And I could

1133
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,840
without turning my head, I could look with my preperal

1134
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:34,800
vision and see that lasers. It's that laser I going

1135
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:41,279
up and down, and that that was the one I

1136
01:15:41,319 --> 01:15:44,840
was talking about earlier that could have been supernatural. I'm

1137
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,840
still on the fence but I'm more on the side

1138
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:54,760
of supernatural, which is not convinced just yet. But eventually

1139
01:15:54,800 --> 01:16:02,560
made it to my car twenty feet to car. I'm

1140
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:08,000
still watching for it. It had fallen back just a

1141
01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:12,279
little bit, but when I turned to look at it,

1142
01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:15,039
instead of looking at his face, I looked at his chest.

1143
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,439
And then when it let out a roar, I just

1144
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:22,319
raised up, raised my eyeballs up just enough to see

1145
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:26,520
its mouth and its teeth, and then I walked right

1146
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:30,520
around and got into the car and just try to

1147
01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,800
keep my breathing under control and stuff. So I didn't

1148
01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:34,720
pull over somewhere and get stuck because I had to

1149
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,560
back up to turn around. I backed up to turn

1150
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:43,239
around and then pulled out easily. It looked through my mirror,

1151
01:16:43,279 --> 01:16:47,520
didn't see it, so I took I took that road

1152
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,000
back to what I call the main road, which is

1153
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:55,239
a gravel road with just red dirt and gravel. And

1154
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,359
when I got back to the chip road, instead of

1155
01:16:59,359 --> 01:17:02,119
going right like I come in, I made a left

1156
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,960
and I took several different roads, probably drove a good

1157
01:17:07,359 --> 01:17:09,319
forty five minutes, and I come out in the state

1158
01:17:09,359 --> 01:17:10,039
of Kentucky.

1159
01:17:11,079 --> 01:17:13,359
Speaker 1: And then I.

1160
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 3: Stopped at the first convenience store I come to and

1161
01:17:15,880 --> 01:17:19,520
went in there and hung around, and the drunk drank

1162
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:26,920
me a cup of coffee, and from there I left there,

1163
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:35,439
cut my way back across through a little town called Thompkinsville, Kentucky,

1164
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:42,039
and then come back out to another littler town called Gameil, Kentucky,

1165
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:48,439
and then drove down from Goameil, Kentucky into Red Bone Springs, Tennessee,

1166
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,279
and then used my way home.

1167
01:17:51,279 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 2: It sure sounds like you've got this down to a science.

1168
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 3: Well, I just didn't want to be followed back to

1169
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:57,479
the house again.

1170
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:03,039
Speaker 2: Can't say I'll blame you there at all. Just for clarity, Bruce.

1171
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:06,279
He said that its eyes were kind of like clear marbles.

1172
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:09,680
It didn't really have pupils, right, I guess.

1173
01:18:09,119 --> 01:18:14,319
Speaker 3: That was that was the pup. Yeah, yeah, excuse me there,

1174
01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:14,800
go ahead.

1175
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,319
Speaker 2: Oh no, I'm sorry after you.

1176
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:20,359
Speaker 3: That was the pup that had the marble eyes. But

1177
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:25,199
it did it did foller my shadow. Other words. Uh,

1178
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,479
they didn't have the milky eyes like it was blind

1179
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,560
or anything like that. I think it was just young

1180
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:36,439
enough pup that its eyesight hadn't fully developed yet. It

1181
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:40,119
could see shadows, and that's what I was going on.

1182
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,800
It could it was. It would look at me when

1183
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:47,640
I moved around, when I sat down on the ground,

1184
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:49,560
it would look straight at me. When I set him

1185
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,319
in my lap, hicking his mouth and stuff, he would

1186
01:18:52,319 --> 01:18:57,119
all just look up at me. He was aggressive or anything. Uh,

1187
01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,479
there was no aggression to him.

1188
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 2: If his eyes reminded you of clear marbles, does that

1189
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,880
mean that not only his pupils were clear, but the

1190
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:10,079
s clearer, the part that is normally white, if that

1191
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:11,800
was clear as well?

1192
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 1: Right right?

1193
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:17,600
Speaker 3: Yes see, and the pink that you got around your

1194
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,840
eyeball that hold your eye socket, and the pink on

1195
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:26,680
him was a blackish purple looking. So the light around

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01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:28,840
your eyes where him was all clear. It is just

1197
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:31,359
like you said, a marble right inside some one's skull

1198
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,039
and it was just clear.

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01:19:34,239 --> 01:19:36,319
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, he didn't see any blood

1200
01:19:36,399 --> 01:19:40,079
vessels in there, no hints of anything like that to

1201
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:41,600
support its eyes.

1202
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 3: No, there was no blood vessels or anything like that

1203
01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:52,399
in his eyes. That again might explain when this thing

1204
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:54,439
could have when he got older, could have got red

1205
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,600
eyes that glowed or like laser eyes. I call it

1206
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:03,800
laser eyes. Well, it was the one that followed me

1207
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:08,239
out of there after the puff incident, So it could

1208
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:16,920
have been igan, it could have been supernatural. But I'm

1209
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,039
just I'm just not sure, you know, I'm just not

1210
01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:23,800
one hundred percent sure. I'm on the fence leaning more

1211
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:28,159
that way. So I'll say I'm seventy percent would say

1212
01:20:28,199 --> 01:20:29,279
it was supernatural.

1213
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 2: That it's not for it to not have any blood

1214
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,960
vessels or anything like that inside of its eyes. It

1215
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:42,079
would have to be supernatural because biologically you just can't

1216
01:20:42,119 --> 01:20:44,880
do that. There's nothing to supply blood to those eyes

1217
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,720
and keep them vital. So I think that kind of

1218
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,840
answers that question right there in my opinion. Well, I'll

1219
01:20:50,840 --> 01:20:53,479
tell you what. Having said that, Bruce, we're out of time.

1220
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,399
We need to get ready to get out of here.

1221
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:59,079
But two things before we do that. Number One, do

1222
01:20:59,079 --> 01:21:01,439
you have any closing comments you'd like to share for us?

1223
01:21:03,039 --> 01:21:10,279
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate you having me on the audience left

1224
01:21:10,279 --> 01:21:16,159
some convents. Well, I would like to answer a couple

1225
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:20,600
of them. Do I think the dog man pup was blind? No,

1226
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:27,479
I don't think it was blind. The comments about me

1227
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:31,840
not keeping the dog in the house that night, I

1228
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,840
tried to, but he's not inside dog. He wanted back

1229
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:38,880
out and a few you know, each time a few

1230
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:42,159
minutes would go by, hour would go by, or two hours,

1231
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:44,920
he wanted back out. So I wanted to make sure

1232
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:48,640
that the audience understood that I wasn't just pitching him

1233
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:49,960
to the wolves, so to speak.

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01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,119
Speaker 2: I'm glad you cleared that up for us. I was

1235
01:21:53,159 --> 01:22:00,760
starting to wonder myself. Yeah, things are doing that well.

1236
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,600
If you don't have any closing comments, Bruce, there is

1237
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:07,640
one small favor, maybe a big favor, that I wanted.

1238
01:22:07,399 --> 01:22:08,039
Speaker 1: To ask of you.

1239
01:22:09,159 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we go, is there any way that you

1240
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:18,479
would be willing to say? Beef it's what's for dinner.

1241
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,399
Speaker 3: Beef is what's for dinner.

1242
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,359
Speaker 2: You sound just like Sam Elliott. I'm sure you saw

1243
01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:27,560
some of the comments people are leaving and I thought

1244
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,880
the same thing. You sure do sound an awful lot

1245
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,560
like Sam Elliott.

1246
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,359
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that. Some say I sounded like Johnny Cash.

1247
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,479
Say I sound like Sam Elliott.

1248
01:22:39,279 --> 01:22:41,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, now that you mentioned it, I guess you do

1249
01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:45,119
sound like a cross between Johnny Cash and Sam Elliott.

1250
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,039
You've got a distinctive voice.

1251
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:51,319
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate that, and I've had to use it

1252
01:22:51,359 --> 01:22:58,039
a lot in law enforcement. Careers. I've never really paid

1253
01:22:58,079 --> 01:23:04,000
attention to my voice. M it's just me talking. And

1254
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:10,000
be raised in Tennessee, you get that Southern draw and

1255
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:16,560
when I go uh into other countries or I go

1256
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,279
into other parts of the United States, has got a

1257
01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:22,560
different accent than I have. I find it amazing.

1258
01:23:23,319 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 1: Uh.

1259
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 3: We have a few saying here uh. Some people ask, well,

1260
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:31,399
how's your day, I'll say, well, I'm hanging in there

1261
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:32,640
like a hair and a biscuit.

1262
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:41,359
Speaker 2: That's not a pretty thought at all, but that's funny

1263
01:23:41,399 --> 01:23:41,720
though we.

1264
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 3: Know that's pretty. That's pretty much everything. I'd like to

1265
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:49,800
thank everybody for the night's comments and listening to the show.

1266
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:52,439
I'd like to thank you for having me on here.

1267
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:58,800
And yes it's been a I like to get to

1268
01:24:00,079 --> 01:24:04,119
finally talk about some of my encounters and I have

1269
01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:11,439
more and I'm gaining more, which is giving me a

1270
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:18,479
better understanding of these creatures and their different personalities. I

1271
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:22,399
would ask people that who want to start out doing

1272
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:25,960
this type of thing to pair up with somebody that

1273
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,760
has some knowledge. Don't go out by yourself being the

1274
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:36,000
first time, and take care of yourself and don't show

1275
01:24:36,039 --> 01:24:40,479
any fear. You put fear in your mind, you make mistakes,

1276
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:45,439
you end up hurting yourself or getting hurt. But again

1277
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:49,880
i'd like to thank everybody for listening all the nice comments.

1278
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:54,960
I really enjoyed being on the show. Thank you very much.

1279
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 2: Well, it's been really having you. Thanks again so much

1280
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,039
for your time, Bruce, would you appreciate it? Then have

1281
01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:02,720
a great night.