Speaker 1: You know, I think everyone has a moment like this.
You're scrolling through the news, or maybe you see an
old photo and it just doesn't quite fit, or you
look up at the sky and just get this this
feeling that something.
Speaker 2: Is missing kind of dislocation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, like the version of history and physics we
all learned in school is well missing a few chapters,
really important chapters, the ones that have impossible technology and
you know, ancient visitors and secrets that are hiding right
out in the open.
Speaker 2: Well, that feeling is what we're chasing today. Welcome to
Thrilling Threads.
Speaker 1: We are taking on a huge task today. We're going
to be knitting together some really fascinating threads of evidence.
We're talking military archives, deep space missions, ancient texts that
have been forgotten, and these strange zones on Earth where
the rules don't seem to apply.
Speaker 2: Our mission really is to take all this source material
that a listener shared with us, all these reports connecting
modern UAP phenomena with you know, cutting at science and
alleged ancient technology, and just really analyze what it all
means if these threads are actually genuine.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's unpack this our starting point. It is
an ancient mythology. It's actually a very modern, very high
stakes military encounter. We're talking about the analysis of one
of the most famous pieces of Department of Defense footage
ever released.
Speaker 2: Right, we're going back to twenty nineteen. You have the
ancient astronaut theorist Mike Bara, and he's teaming up with
an actual aerospace engineering physicist, doctor Travis Taylor, and.
Speaker 1: They're in Los Angeles looking at the famous gimbal video.
But they're trying to do something different. They want to
get past all the hype and just get to the core.
Speaker 2: Well, the engineering question.
Speaker 1: And what's so important here is the premise they start with,
which is, you know, it's just good scientific methodology. They said,
let's assume the witnesses are credible. A huge assumption, but
a necessary one.
Speaker 2: It is, if you assume that these highly trained military
pilots in the DoD are telling the truth about what
they saw on what they recorded, then you're immediately right
out of the gate face with a craft that is
performing maneuvers completely outside of what we know is possible.
Speaker 1: That's the real hurdle, isn't it. If the data is real,
then the physics has to be something totally new to us.
So to even get to that point, they had to
tackle the authenticity question first.
Speaker 2: Rice could it be faked? So they brought in Sam Edwards,
who is a professional visual effects supervisor in Hollywood. His
whole job is to make fake things look.
Speaker 1: Real, so he'd be the perfect person to spot a
fabrication exactly.
Speaker 2: And Edwards gives this, well, this wonderful piece of analysis.
He points out that when professionals, you know, hoaxers or studios,
try to fake something, they make it look exciting, They
make it dramatic, cinematic.
Speaker 1: I mean they're artists, right, That's what they do.
Speaker 2: They are artists. And Edward's conclusion was that the raw
gimbal footage had this quality that ironically made it feel
incredibly genuine. It was boring reality. Yeah, it was dull,
It wasn't artistic. It was technically gone unremarkable from a
dramatic point of view. And he said, look, no professional
would ever apply this little artistic vision. If you were
a fake, it would have been designed to impress you,
not just to record a weird thing in the sky.
Speaker 1: I love that insight. It's like, sometimes the most powerful
evidence is the fact that it has no flare.
Speaker 2: It's a great point. So based on that, the non
artistic nature of it, and of course the testimony for
the pilots that backs it up, the team just agreed, Okay,
the footage is authentic.
Speaker 1: Which immediately forces you to confront the next question, how
is this thing moving?
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're into structural analysis. Edwards helped them stabilize
the video, you know, to remove the camera shake, just
to get a clear picture of the object's real trajectory.
Speaker 1: And what did they see.
Speaker 2: Well, first they noted it didn't seem to be going supersonic,
so that suggests the propulsion isn't based on you know,
conventional brute force thrust.
Speaker 1: And doctor Taylor, the physicist, he analyzed the shape.
Speaker 2: Right, he did. He saw these features that if you
were looking down on it from above, might look like
disc shaped wings. Yeah, maybe a bit like the SR
seventy one blackbird.
Speaker 1: Okay, so something we can almost recognize.
Speaker 2: Almost, But the way it moved was completely non aerodynamic.
Tailors that looked a lot like a top. It was rolling, pitching, crabbing, yawing,
all in ways that would tear a normal.
Speaker 1: Plane apart any conventional aircraft would just go into an
uncontrollable spin and disintegrate immediately.
Speaker 2: The fact that it stayed so stable while doing all
of this at once, it just strongly implies that it's
not relying on lift or gravity or momentum in any
way that we understand it.
Speaker 1: And this is where the physics puzzle gets really really strange.
The light anomaly and the thermal signature. This is where
conventional science just seems to hit a brick wall.
Speaker 2: A complete brick wall. Yeah. Taylor focused on this weird
light or signature that was following behind the craft, the
system that was recording the flirpod. It was said to
black hot mode.
Speaker 1: Okay, so black means hot, white means cold exactly.
Speaker 2: But the analysis showed something that just shouldn't be possible.
There appeared to be a distinct cold region surrounding the vehicle, cold.
Speaker 1: Region where the engine should be. I mean, my car
engine gets hot. A jet engine is basically a controlled
explosion of heat. A rocket is it's unbelievable heat. How
is this thing making it surroundings colder?
Speaker 2: And this is a profoundly important finding because it seems
to violate the basic laws of thermodynamics, at least as
they apply to thrust. Any propulsion system we know of
that generates force, chemical, nuclear, or whatever it has to
produce waste heat. It's just a rule. So if this
object is moving, accelerating, and it's surrounded by a cold spot,
it suggests one of two well, really radical possibilities, and
whae are of those? Well, One, it's using some incredibly
efficient non combustive energy source that I don't know actively
suppresses heat, maybe even pulls energy from the air around it,
or two go on, or two it's operating on principles
that are totally outside our current paradigm, like manipulating gravity itself.
If you can manipulate space time to move, you don't
need to push against anything. There's no need for thermal thrust.
Speaker 1: And that second idea manipulation that connects us directly to
those very controversial claims made by Bob Blazaar about element
one fifteen.
Speaker 2: It connects perfectly the impossible movements, the thermal anomaly. They
line up exactly what the mechanism Lazar claimed he worked
on these captured extraterrestrial spacecraft. He said they use element
one fifteen, a stable isotope, to generate a localized anti
gravity field.
Speaker 1: So if the craft is actually warping space around itself,
it's not pushing against the air. It's more like it's
falling through a distorted piece of.
Speaker 2: Space precisely, And if that's how it moves, there's no combustion,
there's no friction, you don't need any thermal exhaust. In fact,
if the mechanism is creating some kind of zero point
energy field, well that could plausibly explain seeing a cold region.
It's an energy signature that's the complete inverse of the
heat we expect from every engine we've ever built.
Speaker 1: So the key takeaway from this first very technical thread
is that the evidence, when you look at it through
the eyes of an aerospace engineer and a VFX expert,
it points straight at a lifting body that is stable,
moves in impossible ways, and has a cold spot where
heat should be, all.
Speaker 2: Of which is consistent with some kind of highly advanced,
maybe extraterrestrial physics that works on gravity, not on Newton's
laws of motion.
Speaker 1: It just forces you to ask, if this tech is
flying around in our skies today defying gravity, what does
that mean for our own history and for well our
neighbors in the Solar System.
Speaker 2: And that is the perfect transition, because if we can
even entertain the possibility of advanced propulsion here today, then
what about an advanced history somewhere else. Let's shift our
focus to the red planet, to Mars.
Speaker 1: Where advanced technology might not be some future goal but
actually a fossilized pass and where life itself might be
making a regular cyclical appearance.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Moving to Mars, we're looking at NASA's amazing mission
and Gale Crater with the Curiosity rover. It landed way
back in twenty twelve. Its main goals to figure out
if Mars ever was or even still is.
Speaker 1: Habitable, and it delivered some truly i'm breaking data about
the atmosphere and the geology there.
Speaker 2: It really did. And the instrument they got, this GAATEA,
is called SAM or sample analysis at Mars. And this
is not just some basic weather sensor.
Speaker 1: Now, this thing is a whole lab, right, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: A miniature laboratory, a very sophisticated one. It does two
main things. It measures the air directly, but crucially it
also analyzes gases that come off of rock samples. So
Curiosity drills into a rock delivers this powder to SAM,
and SAM heats it up to hundreds of degrees and.
Speaker 1: That lets the scientists see what's really inside the rocks,
looking for organic molecules exactly.
Speaker 2: And what the SAM data showed was this persistent seasonal
pattern of methane in the atmosphere.
Speaker 1: Methane and a NASA scientist, doctor Elizabeth Rampan, she analyzed
this over several Martian years.
Speaker 2: Right, she did, and the pattern she found was very organized.
The methane level spikes pretty significantly in the late Martian
summer early autumn, and then it dips back down as
the season changes. It repeats year after year.
Speaker 1: I know the baseline level of methane on Mars is
super low, so any spy is a big deal. But
why does the cyclical nature of it matter so much?
Speaker 2: Because here on Earth, the vast majority of our atmospheric
methane is biogenic. It's produced by life, usually microbes, and
that biological activity follows seasonal cycles. Now, methane can be
produced by geology right.
Speaker 1: Water hitting certain rocks or something right.
Speaker 2: But those processes tend to be pretty steady constant. The
cyclical pattern they tracked on Mars is probably the strongest
circumstantial evidence we have for the possibility of extant life
there today, life that's still alive.
Speaker 1: Even if it's just microbial life hiding under the surface.
Speaker 2: Exactly thriving just beneath the surface, following the seasons, just
like life on Earth. Now. Could it be geological maybe,
but even then the cycle is a huge mystery. You
would imply some really complex temperature dependent geological thing we
don't understand at all.
Speaker 1: So either way it's a major discovery.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. But for the search for life, the biological
source has to be a very strong hypoth phasis. It's
moved the whole question of life on Mars from science
fiction to a distinct scientific possibility.
Speaker 1: And if there is life there now, that just feeds
right into the second big thread about Mars, the idea
that it was once home to an ancient, advanced civilization
that died out a long, long time ago.
Speaker 2: This is a really consistent theme in ancient astronaut theory,
and they often point to orbital photography as the main evidence.
Theorists they look at these features on the Martian surface
from various orbiters and they're not just seeing vague shadows,
they're seeing specific formations that look geometric or rectilinear.
Speaker 1: So we're talking about things that look like they were built.
They show some kind of intention precisely.
Speaker 2: They interpret these things as highly degraded fossilized technological structures,
and the amount of erosion they see suggests a massive
amount of time has passed, maybe fifty thousand years maybe
more if you compare it to how ruins degrade here
on Earth.
Speaker 1: It's a compelling idea, these giant fossilized ruins. But the
implication go even further, don't they They linked us directly
back to Mars in the most fundamental way possible. The
theory that life on Earth might have actually started on Mars.
Speaker 2: This is the theory of panspermia, but focus specifically on Mars,
and the timeline here is absolutely critical. Life seems to
have taken hold on Earth about three and a half
billion years ago. We also know from studying Martian meteorites
that have crashed on Earth that they got blasted off
of Mars by huge asteroid impacts.
Speaker 1: And what do those rocks tell us about what Mars
was like back then?
Speaker 2: They tell us that three and a half billion years
ago Mars was and this is the quote very earth like.
It had a thick atmosphere, it had running water, rivers, lakes,
and since we know the basic building blocks for life
organic compounds exist on Mars, the theory is pretty simple.
Speaker 1: A huge impact on Mars launches rocks into space, some
of them carrying microbes or at least the ingredients for.
Speaker 2: Life, and those rocks travel through space and eventually land here,
seating our planet. If Mars developed life first, then it
would mean we aren't just looking for life on Mars.
We might literally be the descendants of Martians.
Speaker 1: So the origin of all life on our own planet
would go back to an event on a neighboring world.
That is that's a humbling thought.
Speaker 2: It completely reframes our entire place in the Solar System.
It changes the question from are we alone to did
we just move house?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And the methane cycle discovery just adds more fuel to
that fire.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, the thread connecting today's physics anomalies to the ancient
possibility of a Martian origin for life, it's just so compelling,
it really is. Okay, so we've got advanced tech in
our skies and the possibility of life on Mars, both
past and present. Let's try and connect the past and
the future now through what is probably the ultimate universal
motivator resources. Let's talk about mining the cosmos.
Speaker 2: This really brings human ambition and just basic necessity right
into focus. Round twenty seventeen, NASA's Advanced Exploration Systems Division
made it very clear. They said, if we're going to
have a sustaince human presence beyond earth finding and extracting
space minerals, isn't just a good idea, it's essential.
Speaker 1: Right, It's not optional things like iron, tungsten, titanium exactly.
Speaker 2: You can't just set up a habitat. The whole game
is in situr resource utilization, using what's already there to build,
to make fuel to sustain life.
Speaker 1: So where are the hotspots for all these materials.
Speaker 2: Well, the Moon and Near Earth asteroids are just their
resource gold mines, I mean literally and figuratively. On the Moon,
you have places like the Sea of Tranquility that are
covered in titanium oxide, and detectors have found radon gas
coming off the surface.
Speaker 1: Which indicates uranium, right, a clear.
Speaker 2: Indicator of uranium. So you've got industrial materials for building
and key elements for generating energy.
Speaker 1: All just sitting there, and we're already seeing the private
sector get heavily involved in this.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, companies like Planetary Resources, which was co founded
by Peter Diamandis. They were real pioneers. They were focused
on the economics of mining near Earth asteroids. Their targets
were things like water ice for fuel, and then the
big prize platinum group metals or construction metals.
Speaker 1: So this is all very cutting edge twenty first century planning,
it is.
Speaker 2: But what's so fascinating, and this is the thread that
ties us way back into antiquity, is that this exact
same modern drive for resource extraction is the central theme
of one of the oldest, most persistent ancient astronaut theories.
Speaker 1: The theory that other advanced civilizations came to Earth millennia
ago for the exact same reasons.
Speaker 2: We turned to the Sumerian accounts, written over five thousand
years ago. The most famous interpretations come from Zakaria Sitchen
based on his reading of the Cuneiform.
Speaker 1: Tablets and what was his conclusion.
Speaker 2: Sichin concluded that the Anunaki, these beings who came down
from the heavens, arrived on Earth to escape their own
dying planet. But once they were here, their primary focus
became mining for gold.
Speaker 1: Okay, that right there raises a question for me. Modern
science is focused on industrial stuff iron, titanium, platinum for
building things. Why would a super advanced interstellar race need gold.
Speaker 2: That's the critical question, and it's where opinions really divide.
The theorist suggests that the gold wasn't for money, it
was for planetary engineering, maybe to fix their atmosphere.
Speaker 1: How would that work?
Speaker 2: The idea is they could aerosolize it, turned it into
a fine dust high in their atmosphere to reflect harmful
radiation or heat. Gold is super non corrosive, it's incredibly stable,
so it's plausible, though totally speculative, that they needed it
for survival, not for currency.
Speaker 1: And there's an even older Sumerian account, the atra Hassis,
that gives us a specific and frankly, a pretty shocking
reason for why we're even here.
Speaker 2: The Attrahsss narrative is preserved on seven tablets. It's older
than most other creation myths, and it describes the Aninaki
who were doing all this hard labor mining and they
just got.
Speaker 1: Tired of it, so they needed a workforce.
Speaker 2: They needed a workforce, and the narrative details how they
genetically engineered a primitive form of humanity. They made us
in their image and in their likeness for one specific,
singular purpose, to be a slave labor force to mine
gold for them here on Earth.
Speaker 1: So you have this profound and really unnerving parallel. In
our near future, NASA and private companies are planning to
use advanced tech to get essential minerals from space to
sustain our civilization.
Speaker 2: And five thousand years ago, ancient texts are documenting these
giant beings digging for gold, implying they had the exact
same resource driven motivation for coming to Earth, and they
went so far as to create us to do the work.
Speaker 1: It just completely reframes human origins, doesn't it. If you
take that source material at face value, we were manufactured
to be miners. That is a huge thread to follow,
and you.
Speaker 2: Have to ask, if they were capable of genetic engineering,
what other technical knowledge might they have left behind?
Speaker 1: Which is the perfect place to go next. Let's shift
from cosmic resource mining to ancient blueprints for cosmic travel,
because it's one thing to read stories about visitors, but
it's another thing entirely if ancient texts contain actual viable
engineers data, and.
Speaker 2: This brings us to a really stunning experiment that doctor
Travis Taylor conducted in twenty seventeen at the University of
California at Irvine. This provides empirical proof. He used design
specifications that came only from ancient Indian texts, specifically concepts
that were written down around five hundred BC.
Speaker 1: So this wasn't just him looking at an old drawing
and guessing. He was working from actual technical specs, basically
blueprints found in these texts.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right. His team built a physical model aircraft
based on these ancient specifications, and the setup was very rigorous,
very scientific. They put the model on a precision boom
inside a professional wind tunnel, all hooked up to a
force gage.
Speaker 1: And what exactly were they trying to measure?
Speaker 2: They subjected the model to a constant airflow about fifty
miles per hour, and they needed to measure the forces
acting on it torque, pitch, but most importantly the normal force.
Speaker 1: The normal force which is basically lyft right, the upward puss.
Speaker 2: It's the vertical component of force. Yes, lift, and my
first critical question, just like yours would be. Is what's
considered a success here? Does it have to hover in
the air right? What's the bar?
Speaker 1: The bar for success was simply demonstrating a positive normal force,
any quantifiable upward push, no matter how small. They also
watched it for stability. If it wobbled all over the place,
that would be.
Speaker 2: A failure, and the results were not chaotic. The results
were scientifically decisive. In the fifty mile an hour wind,
the craft was incredibly steady. Taylor specifically said, no side
to side wobble, and the sensors they recorded a positive
normal force. It was between point zero three and point
zero six pounds of force.
Speaker 1: Hold on a second, point zero six pounds of force.
That doesn't sound like a lot. Could that just be
like noise in the machine or something negligible?
Speaker 2: That is a fair scientific challenge. But the significance isn't
the amount of lift. It's the fact that a positive
quantifiable lift was measured at all from a design that
came from texts that are thousands of years old.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the point.
Speaker 2: That's the point. The experiment proved that the shape derives
solely from these ancient specs. Is a viable aerodynamic structure.
It's a functional lifting body. Taylor stressed that even if
the information was eighteen hundred years old, the scientific method
proved it works. It confirms that some kind of advanced
technical knowledge existed back then.
Speaker 1: That is profound. If they had viable aerodynamic blueprints, what
other high level concepts might they have written down? I mean,
what about actual space travel?
Speaker 2: And that takes us straight into the Sanskrit texts. Hindu
scholars confirm that detailed stories of not just interplanetary but
interstellar travel are all through these ancient writings. And we're
not talking about some metaphorical journey to the heavens. The
descriptions sound like physical journeys and mechanical crafts.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the story of Druva, because that goes
way beyond just visiting our planetary neighbors.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The Vishnu Purana contains this story of the god
Vishnu taking a human named Druva on what the text
describes in detail as an interstellar journey, and the specificity
is what's so key here. Druva was taken physically beyond
all the known planets, past Mercury, past Venus, and then
past other star systems. Some interpretations say they traveled through
seven different planetary systems in total, and.
Speaker 1: The trip ends at Vishnu Loco, which is presented as
the planet Vishnu actually came from. So this is a
story about an extraterrestrial taking the human to another solar
system in a physical vehicle, in.
Speaker 2: A mechanical vehicle, thousands of years before we even had
a theoretical concept of interstellar travel in the West. So
if the aerodynamics were viable, you have to ask what
did they say was the propulsion system for these incredible trips?
Speaker 1: And that brings us back to doctor Taylor and his
analysis of the Samarangana Sutradera texts, which describes a mechanism
that uses mercury.
Speaker 2: This ancient text describes an engine that uses mercury swirling
in a vortex. It uses heat maybe from the Sun,
to generate the ability to fly. And doctor Taylor, when
he read this, he immediately saw a strong parallel to
a modern working concept the ion.
Speaker 1: In ion engines are critical for our deep space missions today,
but they work on completely different physics than a chemical rocket.
So how does a modern ion engine work?
Speaker 2: Well? As Mark Raymond, who's a leading expert explained, modern
ion engines take a heavy inert gas, usually xenon, and
they put it in a chamber. Then they ionize it,
which means they strip its atoms of electrons, giving them
a positive electric.
Speaker 1: Charge, and then they accelerate those charged ions out.
Speaker 2: The back exactly using high voltage grids. They shoot these
ions out the back at incredible speeds. It's still the
action reaction principle, just like a rocket, but the mechanism
is totally different.
Speaker 1: The difference is thrust versus duration, right.
Speaker 2: It's the fundamental difference. Chemical rockets give you a massive
push for a short time, which is great for escaping gravity.
Ion engines give you a tiny, gentle push, but they
can keep that push going continuously for years.
Speaker 1: Which makes them uniquely perfect for long interstellar travel, the
exact kind of journey described in the Vishnu Purana precisely.
Speaker 2: So you have this ancient concept of a mercury vortex
engine using heat that parallels are modern understanding of heating
and accelerating heavy ions for continuous, low thrust propulsion. That's
an astonishing synchronicity.
Speaker 1: It just raises that same fundamental question over and over
did these ancient authors just stumble upon this incredibly advanced
technical idea, or was this knowledge inherited from a source
that actually built and used this technology.
Speaker 2: The existence of these parallels just suggests this thread of
advanced knowledge has been there in the historical record, just
waiting for modern science to finally catch up.
Speaker 1: And that question of inherited or maybe concealed technology takes
us directly to the Moon and all the persistent theories
around the Apollo missions and what NASA allegedly tried to hide.
Speaker 2: Let's start with the pre Apollo evidence. We go back
to nineteen sixty six to the Lunar Orbit or IWO spacecraft.
Its job was to take high resolution pictures of the
surface to scout for safe landing sites for Apollo.
Speaker 1: And one image over the Sea of Tranquility captured something
highly irregular, the.
Speaker 2: Famous lunar spires. Yes, the shadows of several pointed momolithic
spires or obelisks were clearly visible in this one photo.
And crucially, there are only about three hundred kilometers maybe
one hundred and eighty miles from where Apollo eleven was
planned to land.
Speaker 1: And they could calculate how tall they were from the
shadows they could.
Speaker 2: The largest of these structures was calculated to be about
fifteen stories tall.
Speaker 1: Okay, fifteen stories tall. Why does that automatically argue for
being artificial? I mean, can't there just be tall rocks?
Speaker 2: Well, the moon is four and a half billion years
old and it has no atmosphere to protect it. It
has been bombarded by meteors NonStop for its entire.
Speaker 1: Existence, so constant erosion constant.
Speaker 2: The geological consensus is that any natural object bigger than
say a basketball, should not be standing straight up. It
should be rubble or buried under dust. The fact that
these things are standing straight up fifteen stories high, it
just defies natural degradation over that timeframe. The inference is
that they have to be artificial.
Speaker 1: This would mean that NASA went into the Apollo program
already knowing that there were massive engineered structures near their
landing zones, and that.
Speaker 2: Brings us to the famous twelve h two computer alarm
during the Apollo eleven descent.
Speaker 1: Right, the alarm that almost made them abort the landing.
Speaker 2: It meant the guidance computer was totally overwhelmed and the
cause was traced back to buzz Aldrin. The lunar module pilot.
He had turned on both of the landers' radars at
the same time, the downpointing radar and the side looking radar.
Speaker 1: And here's the question that the theorists always jump on.
If the Moon was just an empty, barren place with
dust and craters, why on Earth would a pilot during
the most critical moment of the landing turn on the
side radar.
Speaker 2: There's just no conventional operational reason to do that unless
you were actively looking for obstacles in the horizontal plane,
obstacles he need to navigate.
Speaker 1: Around obstacles like say, spires that are ten or twenty
stories high, which NASA had photos of just a couple
hundred kilometers away.
Speaker 2: The theory is that NASA and Aldrin they knew about
these potential artificial dangers, and they needed to visually check
for clearance.
Speaker 1: And this whole idea of needing to hide something ties
directly back to a report that was commissioned before the
missions even started, the nineteen sixty Brookings Report.
Speaker 2: Correct NASA commission that report for the specific purpose of
weighing the sociological impact of finding evidence of extraterrestrial.
Speaker 1: Life, and what was the conclusion The conclusion.
Speaker 2: According to those who have studied the report, was that
if profound evidence was found, like artifacts or structures, it
should be withheld from the public. They feared it would
cause global social and economic chaos. So if that's true,
NASA went into the Apollo program fully prepared to hide
whatever they found.
Speaker 1: This idea of a direct encounter or even a salvage mission,
it's most often connected to Apollo seventeen, right, the last
crude mission in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 2: Yes, Apollo seventeen landed near these mountains that in the
orbital photos looked strikingly geometric. Some even describe them as
looking hexagonal, and theorists proposed this site wasn't Chow for
its geology, but as the target for an operation to
retrieve ancient, possibly alien technology.
Speaker 1: And this theory hinges on a very specific period during
the moonwalk where things went quiet.
Speaker 2: It does the astronauts. They parked the rover above this
so called hexagonal mountain, and then for about twenty to
thirty minutes, mission control inexplicably took over control of the
live video feed. They pointed the camera everywhere except at
what the astronauts were doing. A blackout period a total blackout,
and the allegation is that this gave the crew time
to repel down into a V shaped depression near this
structure completely off camera. The conclusion, compelling but unproven, is
that this was a technology salvaging mission.
Speaker 1: And beyond that alled salvage, they did make some genuinely
surprising discoveries at a place called Shorty Crater, including the
famous orange soil.
Speaker 2: The orange soil was a huge surprise, very unusual because
they had such a high oxygen content. But if you
zoom in on the visual evidence from inside that crater
and you have engineer mind theorists like Mike Bara looking
at it, they claim that the objects you see aren't
just rocks, they're pieces of shattered mechanisms.
Speaker 1: And the most sensational claim involves this so called robot head.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Barra and his research partner Richard Hoagland, they enhanced
some of the original negatives of one specific object they
found in Shorty Crater, and the object looked distinctly metallic
when they zoomed way in, it resembled a humanoid head.
And the most intriguing detail there was a bright, very
distinct red stripe painted horizontally across its upper mouth area.
Speaker 1: So suggesting a damaged humanoid looking robot, the remains of
a machine, not a rock.
Speaker 2: Its visual evidence that points to complex technology and maybe
even some kind of conflict. And all of this leads
to the final, really profound question of the whole Apollo era.
Why the sudden, permanent silence after nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 1: Well, there's always been that story about the two minute
radio silence during the Apollo eleven landing.
Speaker 2: The long standing claim, which was popularized by a NASA
researcher named Otto Binder, is that Ham radio operators intercepted
secret medical channel communications where the astronauts were seeing extraterrestrial objects,
specifically flying saucers parked along the edge of the crator.
Speaker 1: And whether that's true or not, the story was everywhere
inside NASA almost immediately it was.
Speaker 2: And what might be even more telling is just looking
at the astronaut's demeanor when they came home. They were solemn,
they looked oppressed, they were visibly disturbed, not the joyful
celebration you'd expect from men who just completed the greatest
journey in human history. It really suggested they had seen
something profoundly unnerving, or maybe that they'd been warned off.
Speaker 1: And then you have the enigma of Werner von Braun,
the architect of the Saturn v the father of American rocketry.
His vision was incredible, but his comments at the end
of his life were extremely controversial.
Speaker 2: So Braun predicted everything Man, Mars missions, space stations. He
was the ultimate realist engineer. And yet he's famously quoted
saying that the next World War would be the war
against the Ets, or hinting that quote. We had help
from them to get us into space in the first place.
Speaker 1: And what about the diplomatic symbolism the little bag they
left on the moon with a gold olive branch and
a silicon disc with piece messages from seventy three world leaders.
Speaker 2: Was that a diplomatic offering to someone they knew was
watching them land The olive branch is a universal symbol
of a truce leaving that behind. Combined with the sudden
and permanent end to Man Moon missions after Apollo seventeen
and the fact that the USSR, who could have gone
never even tried it all supports this pervasive theory that
humanity was worn to stay away.
Speaker 1: Okay from the deep history of space. Let's pivot back
down to Earth. Let's explore some of these localized areas
where strange phenomena and history just seemed to consistently converge
these terrestrial power spots.
Speaker 2: We can start in Peru with the colossal megalithic complex
of Sachseeiholmon near Cusco. This site is just a profound
physical engineering mystery. Standard archaeology really struggles to explain it.
Speaker 1: It's the scale of it and the precision, the massive
zigzag walls. We're talking about stones that weigh up to
one hundred and twenty five tons.
Speaker 2: And they were moved at least three miles from the quarry,
and they're fitted together so perfectly with no mortar that
you can't even slide a piece of paper between them.
Speaker 1: And the material science is the real problem.
Speaker 2: It's the key discrepancy. These stones are metamorphosed limestone, which
is incredibly hard, way too hard to be cut or
shaped with the Bronze age tools the Inca had who
later occupied.
Speaker 1: The site, and we know about the timeline from historical witnesses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when the Spanish conqui Statores got there in fifteen
thirty three, they asked the local Inca who built this
incredible place, And the Inca said, oh no, this was
here when we arrived five.
Speaker 1: Hundred years ago, So a much older, more advanced civilization
was responsible.
Speaker 2: That's the implication. Theorists conclude that this kind of advanced
construction using impossible techniques was likely done under the guidance
of extraterrestrial visitors.
Speaker 1: Then we can go to Egypt to the magnificent Temple
of Abydos built by Pharaoh SETI the First, and this
site has these claims of inherited knowledge thanks to a
researcher named am Seti.
Speaker 2: Om Seti claimed she had genuine past life memories connected
to the temple. She got there in nineteen fifty one
when the temple was just in ruins, thousands of pieces
scattered everywhere. Her inherited knowledge was so precise she could
guide the restoration team, telling them which exact piece went.
Speaker 1: Where, which is incredible. It cut the restoration time from
twenty years down to just two and a half.
Speaker 2: An amazing demonstration of specific technical inherited knowledge. But it's
her confidential claim about the temple's true purpose that's the
ultimate thread connecting this place to cosmic mechanics.
Speaker 1: What does she say I was?
Speaker 2: She confided that the temple of Abydos was more than
a temple. It served as a stargate, a portal that
ancient beings used to jump in and out of time
and space. And she suggested that technological symbols painted on
the chapel walls were actually schematics.
Speaker 1: Specifically the oce Cyrus device. What does that look like
to a modern eye?
Speaker 2: Well, the bell shaped object painted on the wall, the
Osiris device. It looks highly technological. If you showed it
to a physicist, they might see something that looks like
a large Tesla coil from the late eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 1: A device designed to transmit energy wirelessly across huge distances.
Speaker 2: Right, looks like a powerful energy source. But the painting
on the opposite wall is even more suggestive of deep
cosmic physics. It connects the device to interstellar travel. On
the opposite wall, this bell shaped device is attached to
the Neschmate barge of Osiris, his resurrection ship, and the
key is the shape of the barge itself. It is
virtually identical to modern scientific diagrams of a wormhole or
an Einstein Rosen.
Speaker 1: Bridge, a hypothetical tunnel connecting two points in space time.
Speaker 2: A bell shaped energy source attached to a wormhole generator
painted on a temple wall in twelve ninety BC. It
implies this detailed understanding of physics and instantaneous travel. That
is just it strains Kurdul unless the knowledge came from
somewhere else.
Speaker 1: It suggests an ancient understanding of space time manipulation that
just mirrors all the other threads we've been talking about.
Speaker 2: The consistency is remarkable.
Speaker 1: Now, let's cross continents again and go to Mexico to
this remote high desert area near Sibios, the Zone of
Silence or Zona del Silentcio. This is a nexus of
strange physical phenomena that seems to actively interfere with our technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This area is often called Mexico's Bermuda Triangle. It's
been known for these anomalaies since the nineteen thirties, when
a pilot first notices radio equipment failing when he flew
over it.
Speaker 1: And what happens there.
Speaker 2: Well, radios and cell phones don't work, Compass needles spin wildly.
There are reports of strange mutated animals, and visitors say
they feel this tingling, charged sensation on their skin.
Speaker 1: And its location isn't random, is it. It suggests a
kind of global energy grood.
Speaker 2: It's it's right on the twenty eighth and twenty sixth parallel,
which connects it geographically to the area of the Egyptian
Pyramids and other major anomaly sites around the world. Positioning
suggests a worldwide connection between these high energy zones.
Speaker 1: A magnetic signature is one thing, but the nineteen seventy
Athena incident that's the most dramatic proof of the zone's
active power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the US Air Force launched Athena missile from Utah
and it was targeted for White Sands, New Mexico. But
instead the missile flew hundreds of miles off course, way
past its target, and crashed right in the middle of
the Zone of Silence.
Speaker 1: It was like it was physically yanked or dragged into
the area by some outside force.
Speaker 2: And NASSA spokesman at the time even admitted it was bizarre,
like the missiles just got pulled in. And that incident
it really validates the high magnetic signature that science has
proven is there. It lends a lot of credence to
the theory that the zone of silence is a powerful
energy vortex that is literally sucking in media rites in
space debris, and that.
Speaker 1: Leads to an ancient connection the Anasazi and the north
and the Meso Americans in the south. They were separated
by thousands of miles, but they allegedly used this zone
of silence as a meeting place.
Speaker 2: And if any people were keen observers of the sky,
they would have noticed meteorites consistently streaking toward this one
particular area. The theory is if their answers and their
gods came from the sky, they would follow the debris
to see where it landed.
Speaker 1: And they would consistently find the zone of.
Speaker 2: Silence, implying this vortex has been active for millennia, acting
as an ancient magnet for stuff coming from outside our world.
Speaker 1: Let's finish up this geographical tour by just noting the
sheer number of UAP phenomena in North America over six
thousand sightings reported annually in the US alone. That's a
huge data point that needs some historical context.
Speaker 2: That high concentration suggests a consistent point of interest for
whatever is operating these craft, and to find that context,
ancient astronaut theorists look directly to Native American legends.
Speaker 1: We're talking about the Zuni and Hopey legends of star
beings visiting their ancestors, teaching them and leaving behind evidence
in petroglyphs and sacred sites like Serpent Mound or Choco Canyon.
Speaker 2: Exactly. These petriglyphs, like the one at Zuni Peblo in
New Mexico, they're not just graffiti. There are sacred drawings
detailing what the people saw in the air or the
entities they met. For example, one shows a figure with
four compartments extending from its body. Some say its legs,
others say it's a craft descending. Another one shows a
triangle surrounded by dots that look like stars.
Speaker 1: So the implication is that these are historical records documenting
real encounters with non human entities or advanced tech. And
this contact continued right into the colonial period.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. One of the earliest documented UFO sightings in
the Colonies happened in seventeen sixty in the Bridgewater Triangle,
an area that was already infamous in Wampanoag legend as
the Hockomock Swamp, a place where evil spirits dwell but
also a known point of contact with star beings.
Speaker 1: What were the specifics of that event?
Speaker 2: In seventeen sixty, according to historical records, a sphere of
fire appeared at ten in the morning, and it was
so bright it cast a shadow in broad daylight. And
this wasn't just a small local thing. It was seen
over thirty miles apart, art in Bridgewater and Rocksbury, which
indicates a massive object.
Speaker 1: And there was a curious detail about the sound, right,
it has a modern.
Speaker 2: Parallel, it does. An observer specifically noted that the sounds
from this giant ball of light were heard more in
the middle of its journey than at the beginning. That's
weird it is it suggests a sonic signature that doesn't
quite track with the object's physical position, and that detail
correlates with some modern UAP reports where people say the
sound seems to be catching up to the object, implying
some kind of really unusual velocity or acoustic control.
Speaker 1: So it's just more historical documentation that these unexplainable aerial
phenomena were happening centuries before modern aviation, making the gimbal
video seem less like an anomaly and more like just
another data point on a very, very long timeline, and.
Speaker 2: This whole exploration really has just been an exercise in
connecting these seemingly separate data points across thousands of years.
Speaker 1: We started with the physics puzzle of the gimbal video
that cold propulsion system doing impossible things, suggesting zero point
energy or gravity manipulation. And then we went to Mars,
where we found a cyclical methane signature that suggests life
today and potential fossilized ruins from the past.
Speaker 2: We connected the dots between NASA's very modern need to
mine the cosmos for resources and the ancient Sumerian stories
of Theonaki creating humans to mine for gold, forcing us
to ask if our own origins were dictated by resource extraction.
Speaker 1: Then we looked at the startling engineering proofs those ancient
Indian texts with blueprints for a viable lifting body confirmed
in a modern wind tunnel, and descriptions of a mercury
vortex engine that works conceptually just like a modern ion engine,
perfect for interstellar travel.
Speaker 2: And finally we explored all these persistent mysteries on Earth
and on the Moon. The fifteen story obelisks the side
radar mystery of Apollo eleven, these powerful magnetic vortexes like
the Zone of Silence, and historical records of star beings
that go back millennia.
Speaker 1: The synthesis moment is when you realize that all of
these threads, whether it's a hexagonal mountain on the Moon,
a bell shaped wormhole on an Egyptian wall, or a
physics define craft in our sky today, they all consistently
suggest a non human factor has been woven through our history,
our physics, and through deep time.
Speaker 2: The technology that's described in our deepest passe, interstellar travel,
advanced propulsion, it's exactly what our science is driving for
right now. And we proved empirically that the ancients at
Bible technical knowledge about aerodynamics.
Speaker 1: So here's the final provocative thought for you to really
think about. We have evidence that a simple shape from
ancient texts was proven to work in a modern wind tunnel.
If that small thread of real technical knowledge survived, what
other extraordinary, maybe world changing blueprints for advanced technology, Perhaps
the working diagram for that cold propulsion system are still
locked away in historical accounts, just waiting for modern engineers
to test them.
Speaker 2: We really want to know your stand what piece of
evidence in these thrilling threads, the physics defining propulsion in
the gimbal analysis, the possibility that we're all descendants of martians,
or the ancient blueprints for ion engines. What do you
find is the single most compelling piece of proof?
Speaker 1: Let us know what you think the ultimate source of
all these high tech threads is. Was it inherited from
ancient visitors or is it a secret that our own
governments of master and have been hiding all along. Will
be looking forward to your responses.