1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,000 Speaker 1: You know, I think everyone has a moment like this. 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,719 You're scrolling through the news, or maybe you see an 3 00:00:04,719 --> 00:00:07,080 old photo and it just doesn't quite fit, or you 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,240 look up at the sky and just get this this 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:11,800 feeling that something. 6 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 2: Is missing kind of dislocation. 7 00:00:13,279 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, like the version of history and physics we 8 00:00:16,679 --> 00:00:20,160 all learned in school is well missing a few chapters, 9 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:23,519 really important chapters, the ones that have impossible technology and 10 00:00:24,039 --> 00:00:26,800 you know, ancient visitors and secrets that are hiding right 11 00:00:26,839 --> 00:00:27,480 out in the open. 12 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 2: Well, that feeling is what we're chasing today. Welcome to 13 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:32,000 Thrilling Threads. 14 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,359 Speaker 1: We are taking on a huge task today. We're going 15 00:00:35,439 --> 00:00:38,320 to be knitting together some really fascinating threads of evidence. 16 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:43,320 We're talking military archives, deep space missions, ancient texts that 17 00:00:43,359 --> 00:00:46,759 have been forgotten, and these strange zones on Earth where 18 00:00:46,799 --> 00:00:48,240 the rules don't seem to apply. 19 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: Our mission really is to take all this source material 20 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:54,079 that a listener shared with us, all these reports connecting 21 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,479 modern UAP phenomena with you know, cutting at science and 22 00:00:57,679 --> 00:01:01,399 alleged ancient technology, and just really analyze what it all 23 00:01:01,439 --> 00:01:03,960 means if these threads are actually genuine. 24 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's unpack this our starting point. It is 25 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,840 an ancient mythology. It's actually a very modern, very high 26 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:16,079 stakes military encounter. We're talking about the analysis of one 27 00:01:16,079 --> 00:01:18,959 of the most famous pieces of Department of Defense footage 28 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:19,719 ever released. 29 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 2: Right, we're going back to twenty nineteen. You have the 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,760 ancient astronaut theorist Mike Bara, and he's teaming up with 31 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,239 an actual aerospace engineering physicist, doctor Travis Taylor, and. 32 00:01:31,159 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: They're in Los Angeles looking at the famous gimbal video. 33 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,519 But they're trying to do something different. They want to 34 00:01:36,519 --> 00:01:38,799 get past all the hype and just get to the core. 35 00:01:39,079 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: Well, the engineering question. 36 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: And what's so important here is the premise they start with, 37 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,280 which is, you know, it's just good scientific methodology. They said, 38 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,840 let's assume the witnesses are credible. A huge assumption, but 39 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:49,799 a necessary one. 40 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,079 Speaker 2: It is, if you assume that these highly trained military 41 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:55,760 pilots in the DoD are telling the truth about what 42 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:58,879 they saw on what they recorded, then you're immediately right 43 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,519 out of the gate face with a craft that is 44 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,760 performing maneuvers completely outside of what we know is possible. 45 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,239 Speaker 1: That's the real hurdle, isn't it. If the data is real, 46 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,680 then the physics has to be something totally new to us. 47 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,400 So to even get to that point, they had to 48 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:14,439 tackle the authenticity question first. 49 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,479 Speaker 2: Rice could it be faked? So they brought in Sam Edwards, 50 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:21,800 who is a professional visual effects supervisor in Hollywood. His 51 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:23,759 whole job is to make fake things look. 52 00:02:23,599 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: Real, so he'd be the perfect person to spot a 53 00:02:26,159 --> 00:02:27,560 fabrication exactly. 54 00:02:28,039 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: And Edwards gives this, well, this wonderful piece of analysis. 55 00:02:31,039 --> 00:02:34,719 He points out that when professionals, you know, hoaxers or studios, 56 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,479 try to fake something, they make it look exciting, They 57 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:39,080 make it dramatic, cinematic. 58 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: I mean they're artists, right, That's what they do. 59 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 2: They are artists. And Edward's conclusion was that the raw 60 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,680 gimbal footage had this quality that ironically made it feel 61 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,439 incredibly genuine. It was boring reality. Yeah, it was dull, 62 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,479 It wasn't artistic. It was technically gone unremarkable from a 63 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,599 dramatic point of view. And he said, look, no professional 64 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:03,520 would ever apply this little artistic vision. If you were 65 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,840 a fake, it would have been designed to impress you, 66 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:07,840 not just to record a weird thing in the sky. 67 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 1: I love that insight. It's like, sometimes the most powerful 68 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:12,919 evidence is the fact that it has no flare. 69 00:03:13,439 --> 00:03:16,719 Speaker 2: It's a great point. So based on that, the non 70 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,120 artistic nature of it, and of course the testimony for 71 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:22,080 the pilots that backs it up, the team just agreed, Okay, 72 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,840 the footage is authentic. 73 00:03:23,599 --> 00:03:26,879 Speaker 1: Which immediately forces you to confront the next question, how 74 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:27,879 is this thing moving? 75 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:32,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're into structural analysis. Edwards helped them stabilize 76 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:34,439 the video, you know, to remove the camera shake, just 77 00:03:34,439 --> 00:03:37,520 to get a clear picture of the object's real trajectory. 78 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:38,479 Speaker 1: And what did they see. 79 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,639 Speaker 2: Well, first they noted it didn't seem to be going supersonic, 80 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,360 so that suggests the propulsion isn't based on you know, 81 00:03:45,439 --> 00:03:46,919 conventional brute force thrust. 82 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: And doctor Taylor, the physicist, he analyzed the shape. 83 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: Right, he did. He saw these features that if you 84 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,120 were looking down on it from above, might look like 85 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,599 disc shaped wings. Yeah, maybe a bit like the SR 86 00:03:57,639 --> 00:03:58,599 seventy one blackbird. 87 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so something we can almost recognize. 88 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:04,879 Speaker 2: Almost, But the way it moved was completely non aerodynamic. 89 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,319 Tailors that looked a lot like a top. It was rolling, pitching, crabbing, yawing, 90 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,280 all in ways that would tear a normal. 91 00:04:12,039 --> 00:04:15,639 Speaker 1: Plane apart any conventional aircraft would just go into an 92 00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:18,079 uncontrollable spin and disintegrate immediately. 93 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,639 Speaker 2: The fact that it stayed so stable while doing all 94 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,399 of this at once, it just strongly implies that it's 95 00:04:23,439 --> 00:04:26,480 not relying on lift or gravity or momentum in any 96 00:04:26,519 --> 00:04:27,560 way that we understand it. 97 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: And this is where the physics puzzle gets really really strange. 98 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,879 The light anomaly and the thermal signature. This is where 99 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,160 conventional science just seems to hit a brick wall. 100 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: A complete brick wall. Yeah. Taylor focused on this weird 101 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,519 light or signature that was following behind the craft, the 102 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,399 system that was recording the flirpod. It was said to 103 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,439 black hot mode. 104 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,319 Speaker 1: Okay, so black means hot, white means cold exactly. 105 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 2: But the analysis showed something that just shouldn't be possible. 106 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,519 There appeared to be a distinct cold region surrounding the vehicle, cold. 107 00:05:00,319 --> 00:05:02,439 Speaker 1: Region where the engine should be. I mean, my car 108 00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:05,519 engine gets hot. A jet engine is basically a controlled 109 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,040 explosion of heat. A rocket is it's unbelievable heat. How 110 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:10,839 is this thing making it surroundings colder? 111 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 2: And this is a profoundly important finding because it seems 112 00:05:14,959 --> 00:05:19,120 to violate the basic laws of thermodynamics, at least as 113 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,759 they apply to thrust. Any propulsion system we know of 114 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,399 that generates force, chemical, nuclear, or whatever it has to 115 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,040 produce waste heat. It's just a rule. So if this 116 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,279 object is moving, accelerating, and it's surrounded by a cold spot, 117 00:05:33,519 --> 00:05:36,759 it suggests one of two well, really radical possibilities, and 118 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,279 whae are of those? Well, One, it's using some incredibly 119 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,879 efficient non combustive energy source that I don't know actively 120 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,800 suppresses heat, maybe even pulls energy from the air around it, 121 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,279 or two go on, or two it's operating on principles 122 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:53,000 that are totally outside our current paradigm, like manipulating gravity itself. 123 00:05:53,439 --> 00:05:56,120 If you can manipulate space time to move, you don't 124 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,680 need to push against anything. There's no need for thermal thrust. 125 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:01,959 Speaker 1: And that second idea manipulation that connects us directly to 126 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,560 those very controversial claims made by Bob Blazaar about element 127 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:07,199 one fifteen. 128 00:06:07,399 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: It connects perfectly the impossible movements, the thermal anomaly. They 129 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,720 line up exactly what the mechanism Lazar claimed he worked 130 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,680 on these captured extraterrestrial spacecraft. He said they use element 131 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:23,800 one fifteen, a stable isotope, to generate a localized anti 132 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:24,600 gravity field. 133 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,879 Speaker 1: So if the craft is actually warping space around itself, 134 00:06:27,879 --> 00:06:31,240 it's not pushing against the air. It's more like it's 135 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,079 falling through a distorted piece of. 136 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,879 Speaker 2: Space precisely, And if that's how it moves, there's no combustion, 137 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,120 there's no friction, you don't need any thermal exhaust. In fact, 138 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,480 if the mechanism is creating some kind of zero point 139 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,800 energy field, well that could plausibly explain seeing a cold region. 140 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,959 It's an energy signature that's the complete inverse of the 141 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:51,319 heat we expect from every engine we've ever built. 142 00:06:51,399 --> 00:06:54,199 Speaker 1: So the key takeaway from this first very technical thread 143 00:06:54,439 --> 00:06:56,160 is that the evidence, when you look at it through 144 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,120 the eyes of an aerospace engineer and a VFX expert, 145 00:06:59,519 --> 00:07:02,040 it points straight at a lifting body that is stable, 146 00:07:02,319 --> 00:07:05,199 moves in impossible ways, and has a cold spot where 147 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:06,519 heat should be, all. 148 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: Of which is consistent with some kind of highly advanced, 149 00:07:08,959 --> 00:07:13,800 maybe extraterrestrial physics that works on gravity, not on Newton's 150 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:14,439 laws of motion. 151 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: It just forces you to ask, if this tech is 152 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:22,000 flying around in our skies today defying gravity, what does 153 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,160 that mean for our own history and for well our 154 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:26,399 neighbors in the Solar System. 155 00:07:26,519 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 2: And that is the perfect transition, because if we can 156 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,720 even entertain the possibility of advanced propulsion here today, then 157 00:07:32,759 --> 00:07:36,079 what about an advanced history somewhere else. Let's shift our 158 00:07:36,079 --> 00:07:38,720 focus to the red planet, to Mars. 159 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: Where advanced technology might not be some future goal but 160 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,360 actually a fossilized pass and where life itself might be 161 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:47,439 making a regular cyclical appearance. 162 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. Moving to Mars, we're looking at NASA's amazing mission 163 00:07:50,839 --> 00:07:53,720 and Gale Crater with the Curiosity rover. It landed way 164 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:56,079 back in twenty twelve. Its main goals to figure out 165 00:07:56,079 --> 00:07:58,079 if Mars ever was or even still is. 166 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,079 Speaker 1: Habitable, and it delivered some truly i'm breaking data about 167 00:08:01,079 --> 00:08:02,839 the atmosphere and the geology there. 168 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,439 Speaker 2: It really did. And the instrument they got, this GAATEA, 169 00:08:05,519 --> 00:08:08,800 is called SAM or sample analysis at Mars. And this 170 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,600 is not just some basic weather sensor. 171 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: Now, this thing is a whole lab, right, Yeah, it's. 172 00:08:12,519 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: A miniature laboratory, a very sophisticated one. It does two 173 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,360 main things. It measures the air directly, but crucially it 174 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,519 also analyzes gases that come off of rock samples. So 175 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:25,240 Curiosity drills into a rock delivers this powder to SAM, 176 00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:28,399 and SAM heats it up to hundreds of degrees and. 177 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: That lets the scientists see what's really inside the rocks, 178 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,639 looking for organic molecules exactly. 179 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: And what the SAM data showed was this persistent seasonal 180 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:39,360 pattern of methane in the atmosphere. 181 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,639 Speaker 1: Methane and a NASA scientist, doctor Elizabeth Rampan, she analyzed 182 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,080 this over several Martian years. 183 00:08:44,159 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: Right, she did, and the pattern she found was very organized. 184 00:08:47,799 --> 00:08:51,320 The methane level spikes pretty significantly in the late Martian 185 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,080 summer early autumn, and then it dips back down as 186 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,480 the season changes. It repeats year after year. 187 00:08:56,639 --> 00:08:58,799 Speaker 1: I know the baseline level of methane on Mars is 188 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:01,320 super low, so any spy is a big deal. But 189 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,080 why does the cyclical nature of it matter so much? 190 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,279 Speaker 2: Because here on Earth, the vast majority of our atmospheric 191 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,159 methane is biogenic. It's produced by life, usually microbes, and 192 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,159 that biological activity follows seasonal cycles. Now, methane can be 193 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,759 produced by geology right. 194 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: Water hitting certain rocks or something right. 195 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,159 Speaker 2: But those processes tend to be pretty steady constant. The 196 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,799 cyclical pattern they tracked on Mars is probably the strongest 197 00:09:26,799 --> 00:09:30,440 circumstantial evidence we have for the possibility of extant life 198 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,799 there today, life that's still alive. 199 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: Even if it's just microbial life hiding under the surface. 200 00:09:36,159 --> 00:09:40,159 Speaker 2: Exactly thriving just beneath the surface, following the seasons, just 201 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,320 like life on Earth. Now. Could it be geological maybe, 202 00:09:44,759 --> 00:09:47,679 but even then the cycle is a huge mystery. You 203 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,240 would imply some really complex temperature dependent geological thing we 204 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,240 don't understand at all. 205 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:54,879 Speaker 1: So either way it's a major discovery. 206 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. But for the search for life, the biological 207 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:00,879 source has to be a very strong hypoth phasis. It's 208 00:10:00,919 --> 00:10:03,919 moved the whole question of life on Mars from science 209 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,200 fiction to a distinct scientific possibility. 210 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: And if there is life there now, that just feeds 211 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,080 right into the second big thread about Mars, the idea 212 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:14,000 that it was once home to an ancient, advanced civilization 213 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:15,879 that died out a long, long time ago. 214 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 2: This is a really consistent theme in ancient astronaut theory, 215 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,399 and they often point to orbital photography as the main evidence. 216 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:26,360 Theorists they look at these features on the Martian surface 217 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,480 from various orbiters and they're not just seeing vague shadows, 218 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:34,080 they're seeing specific formations that look geometric or rectilinear. 219 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:35,759 Speaker 1: So we're talking about things that look like they were built. 220 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:37,960 They show some kind of intention precisely. 221 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:44,519 Speaker 2: They interpret these things as highly degraded fossilized technological structures, 222 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,559 and the amount of erosion they see suggests a massive 223 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,960 amount of time has passed, maybe fifty thousand years maybe 224 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,879 more if you compare it to how ruins degrade here 225 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:55,360 on Earth. 226 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: It's a compelling idea, these giant fossilized ruins. But the 227 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,919 implication go even further, don't they They linked us directly 228 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,000 back to Mars in the most fundamental way possible. The 229 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,600 theory that life on Earth might have actually started on Mars. 230 00:11:08,919 --> 00:11:12,159 Speaker 2: This is the theory of panspermia, but focus specifically on Mars, 231 00:11:12,519 --> 00:11:15,559 and the timeline here is absolutely critical. Life seems to 232 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:17,279 have taken hold on Earth about three and a half 233 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:20,879 billion years ago. We also know from studying Martian meteorites 234 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:23,360 that have crashed on Earth that they got blasted off 235 00:11:23,399 --> 00:11:25,519 of Mars by huge asteroid impacts. 236 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,519 Speaker 1: And what do those rocks tell us about what Mars 237 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:29,440 was like back then? 238 00:11:29,759 --> 00:11:31,919 Speaker 2: They tell us that three and a half billion years 239 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,639 ago Mars was and this is the quote very earth like. 240 00:11:36,519 --> 00:11:40,519 It had a thick atmosphere, it had running water, rivers, lakes, 241 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,000 and since we know the basic building blocks for life 242 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,320 organic compounds exist on Mars, the theory is pretty simple. 243 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,759 Speaker 1: A huge impact on Mars launches rocks into space, some 244 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,240 of them carrying microbes or at least the ingredients for. 245 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: Life, and those rocks travel through space and eventually land here, 246 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:58,919 seating our planet. If Mars developed life first, then it 247 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:01,080 would mean we aren't just looking for life on Mars. 248 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:04,039 We might literally be the descendants of Martians. 249 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: So the origin of all life on our own planet 250 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,559 would go back to an event on a neighboring world. 251 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,840 That is that's a humbling thought. 252 00:12:11,039 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 2: It completely reframes our entire place in the Solar System. 253 00:12:14,159 --> 00:12:17,759 It changes the question from are we alone to did 254 00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:18,639 we just move house? 255 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 256 00:12:19,159 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: And the methane cycle discovery just adds more fuel to 257 00:12:21,879 --> 00:12:22,399 that fire. 258 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,519 Speaker 1: Absolutely, the thread connecting today's physics anomalies to the ancient 259 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:31,679 possibility of a Martian origin for life, it's just so compelling, 260 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:34,720 it really is. Okay, so we've got advanced tech in 261 00:12:34,759 --> 00:12:37,840 our skies and the possibility of life on Mars, both 262 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,120 past and present. Let's try and connect the past and 263 00:12:41,159 --> 00:12:44,559 the future now through what is probably the ultimate universal 264 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:49,159 motivator resources. Let's talk about mining the cosmos. 265 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 2: This really brings human ambition and just basic necessity right 266 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:57,879 into focus. Round twenty seventeen, NASA's Advanced Exploration Systems Division 267 00:12:57,919 --> 00:12:59,559 made it very clear. They said, if we're going to 268 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,039 have a sustaince human presence beyond earth finding and extracting 269 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,840 space minerals, isn't just a good idea, it's essential. 270 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,919 Speaker 1: Right, It's not optional things like iron, tungsten, titanium exactly. 271 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:11,799 Speaker 2: You can't just set up a habitat. The whole game 272 00:13:11,879 --> 00:13:15,440 is in situr resource utilization, using what's already there to build, 273 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:17,320 to make fuel to sustain life. 274 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: So where are the hotspots for all these materials. 275 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: Well, the Moon and Near Earth asteroids are just their 276 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:26,240 resource gold mines, I mean literally and figuratively. On the Moon, 277 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,799 you have places like the Sea of Tranquility that are 278 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,519 covered in titanium oxide, and detectors have found radon gas 279 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,840 coming off the surface. 280 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: Which indicates uranium, right, a clear. 281 00:13:35,879 --> 00:13:39,279 Speaker 2: Indicator of uranium. So you've got industrial materials for building 282 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,960 and key elements for generating energy. 283 00:13:42,039 --> 00:13:44,919 Speaker 1: All just sitting there, and we're already seeing the private 284 00:13:44,919 --> 00:13:46,519 sector get heavily involved in this. 285 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, companies like Planetary Resources, which was co founded 286 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,679 by Peter Diamandis. They were real pioneers. They were focused 287 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,720 on the economics of mining near Earth asteroids. Their targets 288 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,559 were things like water ice for fuel, and then the 289 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,559 big prize platinum group metals or construction metals. 290 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: So this is all very cutting edge twenty first century planning, 291 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:07,600 it is. 292 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: But what's so fascinating, and this is the thread that 293 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,679 ties us way back into antiquity, is that this exact 294 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,600 same modern drive for resource extraction is the central theme 295 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:21,799 of one of the oldest, most persistent ancient astronaut theories. 296 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: The theory that other advanced civilizations came to Earth millennia 297 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:27,000 ago for the exact same reasons. 298 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: We turned to the Sumerian accounts, written over five thousand 299 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:34,360 years ago. The most famous interpretations come from Zakaria Sitchen 300 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,159 based on his reading of the Cuneiform. 301 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,559 Speaker 1: Tablets and what was his conclusion. 302 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 2: Sichin concluded that the Anunaki, these beings who came down 303 00:14:42,639 --> 00:14:45,120 from the heavens, arrived on Earth to escape their own 304 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,440 dying planet. But once they were here, their primary focus 305 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:51,120 became mining for gold. 306 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: Okay, that right there raises a question for me. Modern 307 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:58,440 science is focused on industrial stuff iron, titanium, platinum for 308 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:04,080 building things. Why would a super advanced interstellar race need gold. 309 00:15:04,279 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: That's the critical question, and it's where opinions really divide. 310 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:10,440 The theorist suggests that the gold wasn't for money, it 311 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,480 was for planetary engineering, maybe to fix their atmosphere. 312 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:14,279 Speaker 1: How would that work? 313 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,559 Speaker 2: The idea is they could aerosolize it, turned it into 314 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,080 a fine dust high in their atmosphere to reflect harmful 315 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,279 radiation or heat. Gold is super non corrosive, it's incredibly stable, 316 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,600 so it's plausible, though totally speculative, that they needed it 317 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:28,519 for survival, not for currency. 318 00:15:28,759 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: And there's an even older Sumerian account, the atra Hassis, 319 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,480 that gives us a specific and frankly, a pretty shocking 320 00:15:35,519 --> 00:15:36,879 reason for why we're even here. 321 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,519 Speaker 2: The Attrahsss narrative is preserved on seven tablets. It's older 322 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:44,080 than most other creation myths, and it describes the Aninaki 323 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,600 who were doing all this hard labor mining and they 324 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:47,120 just got. 325 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:48,639 Speaker 1: Tired of it, so they needed a workforce. 326 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: They needed a workforce, and the narrative details how they 327 00:15:52,559 --> 00:15:56,440 genetically engineered a primitive form of humanity. They made us 328 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:00,200 in their image and in their likeness for one specific, 329 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:03,480 singular purpose, to be a slave labor force to mine 330 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:04,600 gold for them here on Earth. 331 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:09,159 Speaker 1: So you have this profound and really unnerving parallel. In 332 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,240 our near future, NASA and private companies are planning to 333 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,519 use advanced tech to get essential minerals from space to 334 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:17,360 sustain our civilization. 335 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: And five thousand years ago, ancient texts are documenting these 336 00:16:20,039 --> 00:16:23,240 giant beings digging for gold, implying they had the exact 337 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:26,399 same resource driven motivation for coming to Earth, and they 338 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:28,320 went so far as to create us to do the work. 339 00:16:28,519 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: It just completely reframes human origins, doesn't it. If you 340 00:16:31,919 --> 00:16:35,320 take that source material at face value, we were manufactured 341 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,720 to be miners. That is a huge thread to follow, 342 00:16:37,799 --> 00:16:38,080 and you. 343 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: Have to ask, if they were capable of genetic engineering, 344 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:44,320 what other technical knowledge might they have left behind? 345 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: Which is the perfect place to go next. Let's shift 346 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:52,120 from cosmic resource mining to ancient blueprints for cosmic travel, 347 00:16:52,519 --> 00:16:54,960 because it's one thing to read stories about visitors, but 348 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:59,559 it's another thing entirely if ancient texts contain actual viable 349 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:00,879 engineers data, and. 350 00:17:00,879 --> 00:17:03,639 Speaker 2: This brings us to a really stunning experiment that doctor 351 00:17:03,679 --> 00:17:06,799 Travis Taylor conducted in twenty seventeen at the University of 352 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:11,400 California at Irvine. This provides empirical proof. He used design 353 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:15,680 specifications that came only from ancient Indian texts, specifically concepts 354 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,480 that were written down around five hundred BC. 355 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: So this wasn't just him looking at an old drawing 356 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,240 and guessing. He was working from actual technical specs, basically 357 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:24,759 blueprints found in these texts. 358 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:28,839 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. His team built a physical model aircraft 359 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:33,400 based on these ancient specifications, and the setup was very rigorous, 360 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,200 very scientific. They put the model on a precision boom 361 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:38,799 inside a professional wind tunnel, all hooked up to a 362 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:39,480 force gage. 363 00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:41,279 Speaker 1: And what exactly were they trying to measure? 364 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,599 Speaker 2: They subjected the model to a constant airflow about fifty 365 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,160 miles per hour, and they needed to measure the forces 366 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:53,119 acting on it torque, pitch, but most importantly the normal force. 367 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: The normal force which is basically lyft right, the upward puss. 368 00:17:56,079 --> 00:17:58,759 Speaker 2: It's the vertical component of force. Yes, lift, and my 369 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,319 first critical question, just like yours would be. Is what's 370 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,480 considered a success here? Does it have to hover in 371 00:18:05,519 --> 00:18:06,799 the air right? What's the bar? 372 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: The bar for success was simply demonstrating a positive normal force, 373 00:18:11,759 --> 00:18:15,519 any quantifiable upward push, no matter how small. They also 374 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,480 watched it for stability. If it wobbled all over the place, 375 00:18:18,519 --> 00:18:18,960 that would be. 376 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,039 Speaker 2: A failure, and the results were not chaotic. The results 377 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:25,400 were scientifically decisive. In the fifty mile an hour wind, 378 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:29,720 the craft was incredibly steady. Taylor specifically said, no side 379 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:33,359 to side wobble, and the sensors they recorded a positive 380 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,039 normal force. It was between point zero three and point 381 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:38,640 zero six pounds of force. 382 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: Hold on a second, point zero six pounds of force. 383 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:44,359 That doesn't sound like a lot. Could that just be 384 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,319 like noise in the machine or something negligible? 385 00:18:47,839 --> 00:18:51,079 Speaker 2: That is a fair scientific challenge. But the significance isn't 386 00:18:51,079 --> 00:18:53,720 the amount of lift. It's the fact that a positive 387 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,240 quantifiable lift was measured at all from a design that 388 00:18:57,279 --> 00:18:59,240 came from texts that are thousands of years old. 389 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:00,279 Speaker 1: Okay, that's the point. 390 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 2: That's the point. The experiment proved that the shape derives 391 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,720 solely from these ancient specs. Is a viable aerodynamic structure. 392 00:19:06,839 --> 00:19:09,559 It's a functional lifting body. Taylor stressed that even if 393 00:19:09,559 --> 00:19:12,759 the information was eighteen hundred years old, the scientific method 394 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:15,720 proved it works. It confirms that some kind of advanced 395 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,359 technical knowledge existed back then. 396 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: That is profound. If they had viable aerodynamic blueprints, what 397 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,960 other high level concepts might they have written down? I mean, 398 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,559 what about actual space travel? 399 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: And that takes us straight into the Sanskrit texts. Hindu 400 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,240 scholars confirm that detailed stories of not just interplanetary but 401 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,240 interstellar travel are all through these ancient writings. And we're 402 00:19:36,279 --> 00:19:39,240 not talking about some metaphorical journey to the heavens. The 403 00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:42,640 descriptions sound like physical journeys and mechanical crafts. 404 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: Tell me about the story of Druva, because that goes 405 00:19:45,079 --> 00:19:47,599 way beyond just visiting our planetary neighbors. 406 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. The Vishnu Purana contains this story of the god 407 00:19:50,799 --> 00:19:54,319 Vishnu taking a human named Druva on what the text 408 00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:58,920 describes in detail as an interstellar journey, and the specificity 409 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,839 is what's so key here. Druva was taken physically beyond 410 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,119 all the known planets, past Mercury, past Venus, and then 411 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,759 past other star systems. Some interpretations say they traveled through 412 00:20:09,839 --> 00:20:12,359 seven different planetary systems in total, and. 413 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:15,079 Speaker 1: The trip ends at Vishnu Loco, which is presented as 414 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,640 the planet Vishnu actually came from. So this is a 415 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:21,000 story about an extraterrestrial taking the human to another solar 416 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:23,160 system in a physical vehicle, in. 417 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 2: A mechanical vehicle, thousands of years before we even had 418 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,519 a theoretical concept of interstellar travel in the West. So 419 00:20:30,559 --> 00:20:33,440 if the aerodynamics were viable, you have to ask what 420 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:36,519 did they say was the propulsion system for these incredible trips? 421 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: And that brings us back to doctor Taylor and his 422 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:42,920 analysis of the Samarangana Sutradera texts, which describes a mechanism 423 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:43,960 that uses mercury. 424 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 2: This ancient text describes an engine that uses mercury swirling 425 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,920 in a vortex. It uses heat maybe from the Sun, 426 00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:54,079 to generate the ability to fly. And doctor Taylor, when 427 00:20:54,079 --> 00:20:57,200 he read this, he immediately saw a strong parallel to 428 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,160 a modern working concept the ion. 429 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: In ion engines are critical for our deep space missions today, 430 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,000 but they work on completely different physics than a chemical rocket. 431 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,400 So how does a modern ion engine work? 432 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 2: Well? As Mark Raymond, who's a leading expert explained, modern 433 00:21:11,519 --> 00:21:15,119 ion engines take a heavy inert gas, usually xenon, and 434 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,440 they put it in a chamber. Then they ionize it, 435 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,160 which means they strip its atoms of electrons, giving them 436 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,480 a positive electric. 437 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,839 Speaker 1: Charge, and then they accelerate those charged ions out. 438 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: The back exactly using high voltage grids. They shoot these 439 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:30,519 ions out the back at incredible speeds. It's still the 440 00:21:30,559 --> 00:21:33,720 action reaction principle, just like a rocket, but the mechanism 441 00:21:33,799 --> 00:21:34,680 is totally different. 442 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: The difference is thrust versus duration, right. 443 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: It's the fundamental difference. Chemical rockets give you a massive 444 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:44,240 push for a short time, which is great for escaping gravity. 445 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:47,960 Ion engines give you a tiny, gentle push, but they 446 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,880 can keep that push going continuously for years. 447 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: Which makes them uniquely perfect for long interstellar travel, the 448 00:21:54,279 --> 00:21:57,599 exact kind of journey described in the Vishnu Purana precisely. 449 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,599 Speaker 2: So you have this ancient concept of a mercury vortex 450 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,119 engine using heat that parallels are modern understanding of heating 451 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:10,680 and accelerating heavy ions for continuous, low thrust propulsion. That's 452 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,200 an astonishing synchronicity. 453 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,759 Speaker 1: It just raises that same fundamental question over and over 454 00:22:14,839 --> 00:22:17,480 did these ancient authors just stumble upon this incredibly advanced 455 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:20,839 technical idea, or was this knowledge inherited from a source 456 00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:23,079 that actually built and used this technology. 457 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,759 Speaker 2: The existence of these parallels just suggests this thread of 458 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:30,319 advanced knowledge has been there in the historical record, just 459 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,519 waiting for modern science to finally catch up. 460 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: And that question of inherited or maybe concealed technology takes 461 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,119 us directly to the Moon and all the persistent theories 462 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,079 around the Apollo missions and what NASA allegedly tried to hide. 463 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 2: Let's start with the pre Apollo evidence. We go back 464 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,599 to nineteen sixty six to the Lunar Orbit or IWO spacecraft. 465 00:22:50,079 --> 00:22:52,400 Its job was to take high resolution pictures of the 466 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,799 surface to scout for safe landing sites for Apollo. 467 00:22:55,839 --> 00:22:58,799 Speaker 1: And one image over the Sea of Tranquility captured something 468 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:00,559 highly irregular, the. 469 00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 2: Famous lunar spires. Yes, the shadows of several pointed momolithic 470 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,000 spires or obelisks were clearly visible in this one photo. 471 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,000 And crucially, there are only about three hundred kilometers maybe 472 00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:13,680 one hundred and eighty miles from where Apollo eleven was 473 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:14,720 planned to land. 474 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 1: And they could calculate how tall they were from the 475 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:17,839 shadows they could. 476 00:23:18,039 --> 00:23:20,319 Speaker 2: The largest of these structures was calculated to be about 477 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:21,359 fifteen stories tall. 478 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: Okay, fifteen stories tall. Why does that automatically argue for 479 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:28,000 being artificial? I mean, can't there just be tall rocks? 480 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: Well, the moon is four and a half billion years 481 00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:34,359 old and it has no atmosphere to protect it. It 482 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,319 has been bombarded by meteors NonStop for its entire. 483 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,799 Speaker 1: Existence, so constant erosion constant. 484 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:45,759 Speaker 2: The geological consensus is that any natural object bigger than 485 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,160 say a basketball, should not be standing straight up. It 486 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,880 should be rubble or buried under dust. The fact that 487 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,799 these things are standing straight up fifteen stories high, it 488 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:58,519 just defies natural degradation over that timeframe. The inference is 489 00:23:58,559 --> 00:23:59,680 that they have to be artificial. 490 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,319 Speaker 1: This would mean that NASA went into the Apollo program 491 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,599 already knowing that there were massive engineered structures near their 492 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,240 landing zones, and that. 493 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 2: Brings us to the famous twelve h two computer alarm 494 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,880 during the Apollo eleven descent. 495 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: Right, the alarm that almost made them abort the landing. 496 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,519 Speaker 2: It meant the guidance computer was totally overwhelmed and the 497 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:20,960 cause was traced back to buzz Aldrin. The lunar module pilot. 498 00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:23,240 He had turned on both of the landers' radars at 499 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,759 the same time, the downpointing radar and the side looking radar. 500 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: And here's the question that the theorists always jump on. 501 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,160 If the Moon was just an empty, barren place with 502 00:24:33,319 --> 00:24:37,200 dust and craters, why on Earth would a pilot during 503 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,640 the most critical moment of the landing turn on the 504 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:40,279 side radar. 505 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: There's just no conventional operational reason to do that unless 506 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,240 you were actively looking for obstacles in the horizontal plane, 507 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,559 obstacles he need to navigate. 508 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: Around obstacles like say, spires that are ten or twenty 509 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,000 stories high, which NASA had photos of just a couple 510 00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:57,160 hundred kilometers away. 511 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,039 Speaker 2: The theory is that NASA and Aldrin they knew about 512 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:04,599 these potential artificial dangers, and they needed to visually check 513 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,200 for clearance. 514 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: And this whole idea of needing to hide something ties 515 00:25:08,079 --> 00:25:10,599 directly back to a report that was commissioned before the 516 00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:13,680 missions even started, the nineteen sixty Brookings Report. 517 00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 2: Correct NASA commission that report for the specific purpose of 518 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,680 weighing the sociological impact of finding evidence of extraterrestrial. 519 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: Life, and what was the conclusion The conclusion. 520 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,839 Speaker 2: According to those who have studied the report, was that 521 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,920 if profound evidence was found, like artifacts or structures, it 522 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,440 should be withheld from the public. They feared it would 523 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,039 cause global social and economic chaos. So if that's true, 524 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,079 NASA went into the Apollo program fully prepared to hide 525 00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:39,920 whatever they found. 526 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: This idea of a direct encounter or even a salvage mission, 527 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,279 it's most often connected to Apollo seventeen, right, the last 528 00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:47,839 crude mission in nineteen seventy two. 529 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:51,559 Speaker 2: Yes, Apollo seventeen landed near these mountains that in the 530 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,359 orbital photos looked strikingly geometric. Some even describe them as 531 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,359 looking hexagonal, and theorists proposed this site wasn't Chow for 532 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,319 its geology, but as the target for an operation to 533 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,920 retrieve ancient, possibly alien technology. 534 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: And this theory hinges on a very specific period during 535 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,039 the moonwalk where things went quiet. 536 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,039 Speaker 2: It does the astronauts. They parked the rover above this 537 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,240 so called hexagonal mountain, and then for about twenty to 538 00:26:17,279 --> 00:26:21,079 thirty minutes, mission control inexplicably took over control of the 539 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,599 live video feed. They pointed the camera everywhere except at 540 00:26:24,599 --> 00:26:27,799 what the astronauts were doing. A blackout period a total blackout, 541 00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:31,319 and the allegation is that this gave the crew time 542 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,359 to repel down into a V shaped depression near this 543 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,839 structure completely off camera. The conclusion, compelling but unproven, is 544 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,279 that this was a technology salvaging mission. 545 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: And beyond that alled salvage, they did make some genuinely 546 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,000 surprising discoveries at a place called Shorty Crater, including the 547 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,119 famous orange soil. 548 00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 2: The orange soil was a huge surprise, very unusual because 549 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,640 they had such a high oxygen content. But if you 550 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,279 zoom in on the visual evidence from inside that crater 551 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,720 and you have engineer mind theorists like Mike Bara looking 552 00:27:01,759 --> 00:27:04,799 at it, they claim that the objects you see aren't 553 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,480 just rocks, they're pieces of shattered mechanisms. 554 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:10,759 Speaker 1: And the most sensational claim involves this so called robot head. 555 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Barra and his research partner Richard Hoagland, they enhanced 556 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,279 some of the original negatives of one specific object they 557 00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:20,759 found in Shorty Crater, and the object looked distinctly metallic 558 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,880 when they zoomed way in, it resembled a humanoid head. 559 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,880 And the most intriguing detail there was a bright, very 560 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,000 distinct red stripe painted horizontally across its upper mouth area. 561 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:34,519 Speaker 1: So suggesting a damaged humanoid looking robot, the remains of 562 00:27:34,559 --> 00:27:36,279 a machine, not a rock. 563 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:40,599 Speaker 2: Its visual evidence that points to complex technology and maybe 564 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:43,480 even some kind of conflict. And all of this leads 565 00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:47,799 to the final, really profound question of the whole Apollo era. 566 00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:51,759 Why the sudden, permanent silence after nineteen seventy two. 567 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: Well, there's always been that story about the two minute 568 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,839 radio silence during the Apollo eleven landing. 569 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 2: The long standing claim, which was popularized by a NASA 570 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,599 researcher named Otto Binder, is that Ham radio operators intercepted 571 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,279 secret medical channel communications where the astronauts were seeing extraterrestrial objects, 572 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:13,720 specifically flying saucers parked along the edge of the crator. 573 00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:16,279 Speaker 1: And whether that's true or not, the story was everywhere 574 00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:18,680 inside NASA almost immediately it was. 575 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 2: And what might be even more telling is just looking 576 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,119 at the astronaut's demeanor when they came home. They were solemn, 577 00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,680 they looked oppressed, they were visibly disturbed, not the joyful 578 00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:30,519 celebration you'd expect from men who just completed the greatest 579 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,720 journey in human history. It really suggested they had seen 580 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:37,880 something profoundly unnerving, or maybe that they'd been warned off. 581 00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: And then you have the enigma of Werner von Braun, 582 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:44,839 the architect of the Saturn v the father of American rocketry. 583 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,079 His vision was incredible, but his comments at the end 584 00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:50,279 of his life were extremely controversial. 585 00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: So Braun predicted everything Man, Mars missions, space stations. He 586 00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:58,240 was the ultimate realist engineer. And yet he's famously quoted 587 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,920 saying that the next World War would be the war 588 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,759 against the Ets, or hinting that quote. We had help 589 00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:07,279 from them to get us into space in the first place. 590 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: And what about the diplomatic symbolism the little bag they 591 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:12,960 left on the moon with a gold olive branch and 592 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,519 a silicon disc with piece messages from seventy three world leaders. 593 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,920 Speaker 2: Was that a diplomatic offering to someone they knew was 594 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,359 watching them land The olive branch is a universal symbol 595 00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:25,920 of a truce leaving that behind. Combined with the sudden 596 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,720 and permanent end to Man Moon missions after Apollo seventeen 597 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,680 and the fact that the USSR, who could have gone 598 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,000 never even tried it all supports this pervasive theory that 599 00:29:36,079 --> 00:29:37,960 humanity was worn to stay away. 600 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: Okay from the deep history of space. Let's pivot back 601 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,960 down to Earth. Let's explore some of these localized areas 602 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,799 where strange phenomena and history just seemed to consistently converge 603 00:29:50,079 --> 00:29:51,880 these terrestrial power spots. 604 00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: We can start in Peru with the colossal megalithic complex 605 00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,839 of Sachseeiholmon near Cusco. This site is just a profound 606 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:04,200 physical engineering mystery. Standard archaeology really struggles to explain it. 607 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: It's the scale of it and the precision, the massive 608 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,440 zigzag walls. We're talking about stones that weigh up to 609 00:30:09,519 --> 00:30:11,480 one hundred and twenty five tons. 610 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: And they were moved at least three miles from the quarry, 611 00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:16,920 and they're fitted together so perfectly with no mortar that 612 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,000 you can't even slide a piece of paper between them. 613 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 1: And the material science is the real problem. 614 00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 2: It's the key discrepancy. These stones are metamorphosed limestone, which 615 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,160 is incredibly hard, way too hard to be cut or 616 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,079 shaped with the Bronze age tools the Inca had who 617 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,359 later occupied. 618 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: The site, and we know about the timeline from historical witnesses. 619 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, when the Spanish conqui Statores got there in fifteen 620 00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:40,319 thirty three, they asked the local Inca who built this 621 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:44,000 incredible place, And the Inca said, oh no, this was 622 00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:45,160 here when we arrived five. 623 00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:48,559 Speaker 1: Hundred years ago, So a much older, more advanced civilization 624 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:49,680 was responsible. 625 00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:53,039 Speaker 2: That's the implication. Theorists conclude that this kind of advanced 626 00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:57,759 construction using impossible techniques was likely done under the guidance 627 00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:59,319 of extraterrestrial visitors. 628 00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,119 Speaker 1: Then we can go to Egypt to the magnificent Temple 629 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,079 of Abydos built by Pharaoh SETI the First, and this 630 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,240 site has these claims of inherited knowledge thanks to a 631 00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:09,799 researcher named am Seti. 632 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: Om Seti claimed she had genuine past life memories connected 633 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,519 to the temple. She got there in nineteen fifty one 634 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,559 when the temple was just in ruins, thousands of pieces 635 00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:22,279 scattered everywhere. Her inherited knowledge was so precise she could 636 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:25,720 guide the restoration team, telling them which exact piece went. 637 00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:28,319 Speaker 1: Where, which is incredible. It cut the restoration time from 638 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,599 twenty years down to just two and a half. 639 00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 2: An amazing demonstration of specific technical inherited knowledge. But it's 640 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,599 her confidential claim about the temple's true purpose that's the 641 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,359 ultimate thread connecting this place to cosmic mechanics. 642 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,359 Speaker 1: What does she say I was? 643 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,319 Speaker 2: She confided that the temple of Abydos was more than 644 00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:49,599 a temple. It served as a stargate, a portal that 645 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:51,960 ancient beings used to jump in and out of time 646 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,680 and space. And she suggested that technological symbols painted on 647 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,880 the chapel walls were actually schematics. 648 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: Specifically the oce Cyrus device. What does that look like 649 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:02,920 to a modern eye? 650 00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,599 Speaker 2: Well, the bell shaped object painted on the wall, the 651 00:32:05,599 --> 00:32:09,240 Osiris device. It looks highly technological. If you showed it 652 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,519 to a physicist, they might see something that looks like 653 00:32:11,559 --> 00:32:14,559 a large Tesla coil from the late eighteen hundreds. 654 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,079 Speaker 1: A device designed to transmit energy wirelessly across huge distances. 655 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,279 Speaker 2: Right, looks like a powerful energy source. But the painting 656 00:32:21,319 --> 00:32:23,799 on the opposite wall is even more suggestive of deep 657 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,440 cosmic physics. It connects the device to interstellar travel. On 658 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,440 the opposite wall, this bell shaped device is attached to 659 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,359 the Neschmate barge of Osiris, his resurrection ship, and the 660 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,319 key is the shape of the barge itself. It is 661 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,640 virtually identical to modern scientific diagrams of a wormhole or 662 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,039 an Einstein Rosen. 663 00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:47,079 Speaker 1: Bridge, a hypothetical tunnel connecting two points in space time. 664 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,319 Speaker 2: A bell shaped energy source attached to a wormhole generator 665 00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:54,240 painted on a temple wall in twelve ninety BC. It 666 00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:58,079 implies this detailed understanding of physics and instantaneous travel. That 667 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,640 is just it strains Kurdul unless the knowledge came from 668 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,240 somewhere else. 669 00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: It suggests an ancient understanding of space time manipulation that 670 00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,759 just mirrors all the other threads we've been talking about. 671 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 2: The consistency is remarkable. 672 00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,839 Speaker 1: Now, let's cross continents again and go to Mexico to 673 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,440 this remote high desert area near Sibios, the Zone of 674 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,920 Silence or Zona del Silentcio. This is a nexus of 675 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,920 strange physical phenomena that seems to actively interfere with our technology. 676 00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. This area is often called Mexico's Bermuda Triangle. It's 677 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,160 been known for these anomalaies since the nineteen thirties, when 678 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,839 a pilot first notices radio equipment failing when he flew 679 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,279 over it. 680 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: And what happens there. 681 00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:38,039 Speaker 2: Well, radios and cell phones don't work, Compass needles spin wildly. 682 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,240 There are reports of strange mutated animals, and visitors say 683 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,880 they feel this tingling, charged sensation on their skin. 684 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: And its location isn't random, is it. It suggests a 685 00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:50,200 kind of global energy grood. 686 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 2: It's it's right on the twenty eighth and twenty sixth parallel, 687 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,279 which connects it geographically to the area of the Egyptian 688 00:33:56,279 --> 00:34:00,480 Pyramids and other major anomaly sites around the world. Positioning 689 00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,839 suggests a worldwide connection between these high energy zones. 690 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,839 Speaker 1: A magnetic signature is one thing, but the nineteen seventy 691 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,159 Athena incident that's the most dramatic proof of the zone's 692 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:10,960 active power. 693 00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, the US Air Force launched Athena missile from Utah 694 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,800 and it was targeted for White Sands, New Mexico. But 695 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,079 instead the missile flew hundreds of miles off course, way 696 00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:22,400 past its target, and crashed right in the middle of 697 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,239 the Zone of Silence. 698 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: It was like it was physically yanked or dragged into 699 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,400 the area by some outside force. 700 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 2: And NASSA spokesman at the time even admitted it was bizarre, 701 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,239 like the missiles just got pulled in. And that incident 702 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,920 it really validates the high magnetic signature that science has 703 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,840 proven is there. It lends a lot of credence to 704 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,760 the theory that the zone of silence is a powerful 705 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,360 energy vortex that is literally sucking in media rites in 706 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:47,800 space debris, and that. 707 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,039 Speaker 1: Leads to an ancient connection the Anasazi and the north 708 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,559 and the Meso Americans in the south. They were separated 709 00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:57,639 by thousands of miles, but they allegedly used this zone 710 00:34:57,639 --> 00:34:59,440 of silence as a meeting place. 711 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,079 Speaker 2: And if any people were keen observers of the sky, 712 00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:06,119 they would have noticed meteorites consistently streaking toward this one 713 00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:10,000 particular area. The theory is if their answers and their 714 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,679 gods came from the sky, they would follow the debris 715 00:35:12,679 --> 00:35:13,880 to see where it landed. 716 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: And they would consistently find the zone of. 717 00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 2: Silence, implying this vortex has been active for millennia, acting 718 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,119 as an ancient magnet for stuff coming from outside our world. 719 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,039 Speaker 1: Let's finish up this geographical tour by just noting the 720 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:29,119 sheer number of UAP phenomena in North America over six 721 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,679 thousand sightings reported annually in the US alone. That's a 722 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,440 huge data point that needs some historical context. 723 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,519 Speaker 2: That high concentration suggests a consistent point of interest for 724 00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:43,199 whatever is operating these craft, and to find that context, 725 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,760 ancient astronaut theorists look directly to Native American legends. 726 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: We're talking about the Zuni and Hopey legends of star 727 00:35:49,599 --> 00:35:54,079 beings visiting their ancestors, teaching them and leaving behind evidence 728 00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:57,559 in petroglyphs and sacred sites like Serpent Mound or Choco Canyon. 729 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 2: Exactly. These petriglyphs, like the one at Zuni Peblo in 730 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,280 New Mexico, they're not just graffiti. There are sacred drawings 731 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,679 detailing what the people saw in the air or the 732 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,960 entities they met. For example, one shows a figure with 733 00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:13,440 four compartments extending from its body. Some say its legs, 734 00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:15,960 others say it's a craft descending. Another one shows a 735 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,400 triangle surrounded by dots that look like stars. 736 00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: So the implication is that these are historical records documenting 737 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,559 real encounters with non human entities or advanced tech. And 738 00:36:25,639 --> 00:36:28,199 this contact continued right into the colonial period. 739 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,599 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. One of the earliest documented UFO sightings in 740 00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:35,239 the Colonies happened in seventeen sixty in the Bridgewater Triangle, 741 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,760 an area that was already infamous in Wampanoag legend as 742 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,519 the Hockomock Swamp, a place where evil spirits dwell but 743 00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:45,079 also a known point of contact with star beings. 744 00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,320 Speaker 1: What were the specifics of that event? 745 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,079 Speaker 2: In seventeen sixty, according to historical records, a sphere of 746 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,360 fire appeared at ten in the morning, and it was 747 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,239 so bright it cast a shadow in broad daylight. And 748 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,719 this wasn't just a small local thing. It was seen 749 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,159 over thirty miles apart, art in Bridgewater and Rocksbury, which 750 00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:03,599 indicates a massive object. 751 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: And there was a curious detail about the sound, right, 752 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:06,920 it has a modern. 753 00:37:06,559 --> 00:37:10,599 Speaker 2: Parallel, it does. An observer specifically noted that the sounds 754 00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:12,639 from this giant ball of light were heard more in 755 00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:14,880 the middle of its journey than at the beginning. That's 756 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,000 weird it is it suggests a sonic signature that doesn't 757 00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:21,679 quite track with the object's physical position, and that detail 758 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,960 correlates with some modern UAP reports where people say the 759 00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:27,679 sound seems to be catching up to the object, implying 760 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,360 some kind of really unusual velocity or acoustic control. 761 00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:34,159 Speaker 1: So it's just more historical documentation that these unexplainable aerial 762 00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:38,800 phenomena were happening centuries before modern aviation, making the gimbal 763 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,440 video seem less like an anomaly and more like just 764 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,719 another data point on a very, very long timeline, and. 765 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,199 Speaker 2: This whole exploration really has just been an exercise in 766 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:51,519 connecting these seemingly separate data points across thousands of years. 767 00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,199 Speaker 1: We started with the physics puzzle of the gimbal video 768 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,320 that cold propulsion system doing impossible things, suggesting zero point 769 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,000 energy or gravity manipulation. And then we went to Mars, 770 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,400 where we found a cyclical methane signature that suggests life 771 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,440 today and potential fossilized ruins from the past. 772 00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 2: We connected the dots between NASA's very modern need to 773 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,360 mine the cosmos for resources and the ancient Sumerian stories 774 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,679 of Theonaki creating humans to mine for gold, forcing us 775 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,679 to ask if our own origins were dictated by resource extraction. 776 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:25,920 Speaker 1: Then we looked at the startling engineering proofs those ancient 777 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,079 Indian texts with blueprints for a viable lifting body confirmed 778 00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:33,400 in a modern wind tunnel, and descriptions of a mercury 779 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,559 vortex engine that works conceptually just like a modern ion engine, 780 00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:39,320 perfect for interstellar travel. 781 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 2: And finally we explored all these persistent mysteries on Earth 782 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,480 and on the Moon. The fifteen story obelisks the side 783 00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:51,719 radar mystery of Apollo eleven, these powerful magnetic vortexes like 784 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,159 the Zone of Silence, and historical records of star beings 785 00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:56,360 that go back millennia. 786 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,239 Speaker 1: The synthesis moment is when you realize that all of 787 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,760 these threads, whether it's a hexagonal mountain on the Moon, 788 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,719 a bell shaped wormhole on an Egyptian wall, or a 789 00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,199 physics define craft in our sky today, they all consistently 790 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,400 suggest a non human factor has been woven through our history, 791 00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:13,440 our physics, and through deep time. 792 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 2: The technology that's described in our deepest passe, interstellar travel, 793 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,039 advanced propulsion, it's exactly what our science is driving for 794 00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:23,119 right now. And we proved empirically that the ancients at 795 00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,360 Bible technical knowledge about aerodynamics. 796 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,559 Speaker 1: So here's the final provocative thought for you to really 797 00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:32,360 think about. We have evidence that a simple shape from 798 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,639 ancient texts was proven to work in a modern wind tunnel. 799 00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:40,000 If that small thread of real technical knowledge survived, what 800 00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:45,199 other extraordinary, maybe world changing blueprints for advanced technology, Perhaps 801 00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:48,639 the working diagram for that cold propulsion system are still 802 00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:52,239 locked away in historical accounts, just waiting for modern engineers 803 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:52,960 to test them. 804 00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 2: We really want to know your stand what piece of 805 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,880 evidence in these thrilling threads, the physics defining propulsion in 806 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,639 the gimbal analysis, the possibility that we're all descendants of martians, 807 00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:06,280 or the ancient blueprints for ion engines. What do you 808 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,679 find is the single most compelling piece of proof? 809 00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think the ultimate source of 810 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,280 all these high tech threads is. Was it inherited from 811 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,760 ancient visitors or is it a secret that our own 812 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,480 governments of master and have been hiding all along. Will 813 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,000 be looking forward to your responses.