Speaker 1: Ready, get ready for September five, twenty twenty five. And
Speaker 1: that is allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar.
Speaker 1: And in case you don't recognize the voice, this is
Speaker 1: Chuck o'ceelly and the Ocelli effect. And that noise in
Speaker 1: the background is my co host Bpete. Because it's Friday
Speaker 1: night and here we are live to take your calls,
Speaker 1: so you might be able to tell that I'm challenged
Speaker 1: a bit vocally. Whatever, We're going to go forward with
Speaker 1: this as best we can, and worse comes to worse,
Speaker 1: maybe I'll just play a bunch of audio from the
Speaker 1: White House and we'll call it a day until ten pm,
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Speaker 1: to be America, and you're hearing the sound pathetically of
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Speaker 1: the show. And now we'll check in with my cos
Speaker 1: VPTE see how he sounds. I probably know much of
Speaker 1: what he's going to say already. I found his tweet
Speaker 1: ironic and interesting for the promo for the show, and uh, hey,
Speaker 1: can't argue with straight logic. But well, actually this is
Speaker 1: America and it's twenty twenty five, so logic doesn't count
Speaker 1: much anyway. But still here we are. You can argue
Speaker 1: all day, but it doesn't mean that anybody will win.
Speaker 1: How about that, BPTE. How is your week gone? If
Speaker 1: you can't tell how mine has, I mean, I'll try
Speaker 1: to tell you, but I may lose my voice entirely
Speaker 1: during the course of this broadcast. We shall see how
Speaker 1: you well.
Speaker 2: I was sympathized with you, because around here.
Speaker 3: Thinks you're starting to die off with it be in
Speaker 3: Falld and my sinus the sound about as rough as
Speaker 3: your throat.
Speaker 2: But it's been a good week. We need some rain.
Speaker 2: We've been a couple of weeks without in your rain.
Speaker 3: The weather has been gorgeous. It's been beautiful temperat during
Speaker 3: the day, humidity has not been bad. So I've been
Speaker 3: able to get a lot done. Spent the whole week
Speaker 3: trying to find weed eater parts, which is almost impossible
Speaker 3: now that Sears is out of business because I have
Speaker 3: a lot of crafts and stuff, so now trying to
Speaker 3: find replacement parts and that is getting to be a
Speaker 3: little tricky.
Speaker 2: But Anette been staying busy.
Speaker 1: Yeah didn't a few years ago, Yeah didn't. A few
Speaker 1: years ago, craftsmen state that they would no longer honor
Speaker 1: the whole lifetime replacement thing, like come and get your
Speaker 1: replacements now. I remember some years ago it was like
Speaker 1: everybody was rushing to whatever location they could find to
Speaker 1: exchange their stuff because you could always bring a broken
Speaker 1: craftsman whatever to them and they would replace it. I
Speaker 1: have a vague memory of it. And people were looking
Speaker 1: for the wrenches and everything at flea markets to go
Speaker 1: trade them in for brand new tools. Was that like
Speaker 1: ten years ago? Yeah?
Speaker 2: They Yeah, when they went through chapter when they went
Speaker 2: out of business, basically.
Speaker 3: That voided the warranty and what Seears did when they
Speaker 3: went under thanks to their merger with Kmart, they basically said, Okay,
Speaker 3: we're not covered warranty and they sold off like they
Speaker 3: had the kid.
Speaker 2: Wore brand of appliances. They sold that off.
Speaker 3: Craftsmen Tools went to I want to say, Stanley bought
Speaker 3: the name and then it went to Black and Decker
Speaker 3: I believe, or either it went to Black and Decker
Speaker 3: or now Stanley.
Speaker 2: So yeah, your warranty a shot.
Speaker 3: But you know, the funny thing is is growing up,
Speaker 3: my dad always bought Craftsman tools.
Speaker 2: He was a mechanic and he.
Speaker 3: Always bought them because no matter what happened, you take
Speaker 3: it into the store, set it on the shelf or
Speaker 3: set it on the counter.
Speaker 2: He tell you to figure out a new one.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's great. I bought a rake. In fact,
Speaker 3: I think I've still got that rake. A leaf breake
Speaker 3: years ago had a wooden handle and said Craftsmen. And
Speaker 3: I made a comment to the guy when I bought
Speaker 3: the thing. I said, well, you know a shame it's
Speaker 3: not a fiberglass handle. He goes, oh, no, we talk
Speaker 3: to the wooden handles too. You break the handle, bring
Speaker 3: it back, we give you a dowing. I mean something
Speaker 3: that's going to break over time. They know it, but
Speaker 3: it's been hard now and what they did, their parts
Speaker 3: warehouse is still operating under Sears Parts Direct, and if
Speaker 3: they've got it in stock, you can go there.
Speaker 2: Of course, you could get your manuals.
Speaker 3: And everything for your Like I've got a Craftsman mower,
Speaker 3: a weed eater, a blower.
Speaker 2: My blower went on.
Speaker 3: The fritz, and it would have been nice to take
Speaker 3: it down there and turn it in, but I can't.
Speaker 3: So you go to Sears Parts Direct and if they
Speaker 3: have the part, they'll send it to you and pretty
Speaker 3: quick turnaround time for shipping. And I guess they're going
Speaker 3: to stay open until they get their inventory down to
Speaker 3: the point that it's just these specialty items and they're
Speaker 3: probably selling at auction.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, Well, it's funny you mentioned this because I
Speaker 1: was telling a story just the other day to somebody
Speaker 1: that I realized makes no sense in the current reality.
Speaker 1: Where look. In the late nineties, I had a woman
Speaker 1: staying at my house. Not going to say who, but
Speaker 1: she came to stay at my house for the first time,
Speaker 1: and she was there and I had to work on
Speaker 1: the overnight, so I was like, hey, you know, you
Speaker 1: can hang out sleep until I come home, and then
Speaker 1: I won't sleep and we'll spend time together, you know,
Speaker 1: And so I got her in my house and she
Speaker 1: calls me up and says, hey, you're TV broke, which
Speaker 1: was a big problem because even my back then in
Speaker 1: the nineties, I had web TV, so that was my
Speaker 1: internet access was on my TV, My video games were
Speaker 1: on my TV, my cable was so my TV was
Speaker 1: the center of anything to keep her entertained, except for,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of radios laying around the apartment. Right.
Speaker 1: And so she calls me up at like two in
Speaker 1: the morning, your TV just stopped working, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: take a nap, and when I get done with my
Speaker 1: overnight shift in the early morning, we'll go get a
Speaker 1: new TV. She was impressed by that. But the only
Speaker 1: reason why I was able to do it because I
Speaker 1: had a Sears credit card and it wasn't you know
Speaker 1: the throwaway TV purchases of today, go to Walmart another screen.
Speaker 1: Back then, TV's were heavy as hell, and we actually
Speaker 1: had a hard time getting the decent sized TV, which
Speaker 1: was only like I don't know, thirty two inches or
Speaker 1: something into my friend's car because it was too was
Speaker 1: the car was small. Now people might have a hard
Speaker 1: time imagining that in the age of flat TVs, right,
Speaker 1: But the TV was heavy. I had to take it
Speaker 1: out of the box just to get it into the car,
Speaker 1: and I wedged that thing in there and brought it home.
Speaker 1: But it was a major purchase that I used a
Speaker 1: credit card for and it was a Sears card of
Speaker 1: all things. And you know, like I say, today, you
Speaker 1: could go grab a TV for less than one hundred bucks,
Speaker 1: brand new, you know, thirty two inches or whatever, and
Speaker 1: people would laugh at you for your little cheap TV.
Speaker 1: But back then, my thirty two inch TV, I mean,
Speaker 1: was considerably heavy and expensive, and it was from Sears.
Speaker 1: And I brought that home, and obviously the girl was
Speaker 1: impressed that I could just go grab another TV back then,
Speaker 1: so you know, and therefore I had the center of
Speaker 1: my entertainment universe in the apartment all set and that way,
Speaker 1: you know, we could watch a DVD or VHS still
Speaker 1: had VHS. Then we could go online, we could watch
Speaker 1: the cable, we could play video games, or we could
Speaker 1: just put the TV up on a stand and you know,
Speaker 1: entertain each other. But that's the way it was. And
Speaker 1: to me, that's not very long ago. But that whole reality,
Speaker 1: that whole story makes no sense in today's reality. I mean,
Speaker 1: you would just punch up Amazon now, tell them to
Speaker 1: ship you another TV, and within a day or two
Speaker 1: you might have a TV on your doorstep without having
Speaker 1: to leave, that weighs next to nothing and is flat.
Speaker 1: Or you could just run down to the local Walmart,
Speaker 1: see what's on sale, get the cheapest new brand from
Speaker 1: God knows where, made by God knows who, and you
Speaker 1: have something that is capable of doing all that on
Speaker 1: the flat screen all by itself. It could serve the Internet.
Speaker 1: It can look into the cable by itself. It can
Speaker 1: get streaming, you know, wireless if you want. Right, So,
Speaker 1: no setup, no nothing, no, you know, the TV now weighs.
Speaker 1: I mean you'd have to get like five or ten
Speaker 1: TVs together to get them to weigh anything like what
Speaker 1: one of the small TVs. Wait back then, weight wise,
Speaker 1: price wise, everything. That's one of the few things that's
Speaker 1: actually gone down regardless of inflation. I mean, imagine if
Speaker 1: we didn't have inflation, those hundred dollars TVs, they might
Speaker 1: have to pay you to take them away at this rate,
Speaker 1: so totally disconnected from current reality. Me going to have
Speaker 1: to get a new TV, and it just so happens.
Speaker 1: Sears was my best option. Because I had a line
Speaker 1: of credit. Now what do you think of that? What
Speaker 1: do you think of that whole thing? BPTE.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, that's like when we were in Texas,
Speaker 3: that monitor that I had from a laptop that I
Speaker 3: took down there. I think I paid seventy five bucks
Speaker 3: forward at Walmart, you know, but it was a TV
Speaker 3: you did get up to an antenna.
Speaker 2: Hooked up the cable whatever. Yep, seventy nine bucks.
Speaker 3: I remember when you know, when we built our house,
Speaker 3: LCD flat screens were just coming out and we went
Speaker 3: to I think it was Best Buy and fought the
Speaker 3: smallest one because the way we had to do the
Speaker 3: stairs in that log house where you went upstairs, that
Speaker 3: wall on the stairwell we filled in with trimwood from
Speaker 3: the barn or the stables that was next to the
Speaker 3: barn when we took it down, and so I had
Speaker 3: bookshelves built in. Well, we wanted to TV, but it
Speaker 3: had to be small enough on a shelf. Now I
Speaker 3: had a good wide section for it, but it had
Speaker 3: to be thin. So we bought I forget which brand
Speaker 3: it was. Thing was like twelve hundred dollars for I
Speaker 3: don't know what twenty seven inches something like that. And
Speaker 3: after about nine well about nine months, ten months into it,
Speaker 3: it got a crescent down in one corner where the LEDs.
Speaker 2: It looked like a halo, and you could.
Speaker 3: Only really see it when the screen went black, like
Speaker 3: on Law and Order when they changed from scene, you know,
Speaker 3: the introduction scene, and you've got that black screen there and.
Speaker 2: That the duds sound. Well, you could really see it then.
Speaker 3: So I took it back to best Buy and they
Speaker 3: tried to give me a flat screen four hundred dollars
Speaker 3: slillow dinky portable TV. Said no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: this ain't right. Well I got into a big argument
Speaker 3: with the wife over she wanted to take it. I said,
Speaker 3: that's not the TV we should be getting. They didn't
Speaker 3: make that small one anymore. It went up two inches,
Speaker 3: like twenty nine inches or something. So I called the
Speaker 3: headquarters for Best By. They said no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: take that thing back. Yes, that's a flat screen, but
Speaker 3: it's not the.
Speaker 2: LCD that you.
Speaker 3: Had, and go and tell them this is the model
Speaker 3: that they need to give you. Well, the only one
Speaker 3: they had was four model, so there's no thinge telling
Speaker 3: how many hours were on it since they put it
Speaker 3: up there. But I took the thing and they continued
Speaker 3: the warranting on it. So by that time the TV
Speaker 3: in nine months, the TV was two inches bigger on
Speaker 3: the screen, and we paid twelve hundred dollars for the
Speaker 3: first one.
Speaker 4: I think that one was like seven.
Speaker 3: Hundred dollars, and they've locked some of it off for
Speaker 3: giving me a hassle, and because it was a full model.
Speaker 2: I think I ended up geting for like five hundred.
Speaker 3: Bucks in nine months, from twelve hundred to five hundred
Speaker 3: dollars for a bigger, better TV.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 1: Right, But that's the thing is, like it would bounce
Speaker 1: up like that. Now today a version of that TV
Speaker 1: that was, you know, have one hundred and five hundred
Speaker 1: whatever many hundreds of dollars. What would it cost you
Speaker 1: to get something just like it now?
Speaker 2: Comparable to it? You could probably get it for.
Speaker 3: Two hundred maybe two twenty five. I mean because they
Speaker 3: had a good sound system speakers on. I forget the
Speaker 3: brand of it for the life I mean, I can't
Speaker 3: remember it, but it had excellent speakers in it, you know,
Speaker 3: surround sound quality speakers, not this cheap craft they put
Speaker 3: on these small things. But I mean, it's amazing that
Speaker 3: the prices are off that much in nine months today,
Speaker 3: Like I said, if you can probably get it for
Speaker 3: two twenty.
Speaker 2: Five where originally it was twelve hundred or more.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy the way things have come down. But
Speaker 3: you get computers, I've not seen a big drop in
Speaker 3: computer prices. You know, laptops are still up there, and
Speaker 3: you would think with the electronics and being able to
Speaker 3: make it cheaper nowadays.
Speaker 2: Of course it's depending on which.
Speaker 1: Brands you buy.
Speaker 2: But it's funny how electronics are like that.
Speaker 3: You go get a seven dollars toaster at Walmart, you know,
Speaker 3: fifty years ago it cost you twenty bucks for a
Speaker 3: good toaster.
Speaker 1: Wow, I think I think.
Speaker 3: The first Mister coffee machine I bought was a full
Speaker 3: ten cup pot size and it cost me.
Speaker 2: Seventy five dollars.
Speaker 3: You can go and get the two cup Mister coffee
Speaker 3: machines for like nine ninety nine at Walmart.
Speaker 2: Now, well, well I made the price difference is yeah.
Speaker 1: I'll bet if you have you, I bet if you
Speaker 1: bargain hunt, you can still find something comparable to that
Speaker 1: other thing. Though, two hundred and twenty dollars sounds like
Speaker 1: a large, expensive TV to me, now if you really
Speaker 1: bargain hunt telling you. It seems to me that's one
Speaker 1: of the few things I'm not as worried about replacing,
Speaker 1: although I did recently have to swap a broken TV
Speaker 1: in for my old monitor because my monitor did this
Speaker 1: weird thing where it's gone into like dark mode and
Speaker 1: it won't come out, like it's stuck with the light
Speaker 1: turned down. And this is apparently a common problem with
Speaker 1: the disposable TVs. After a while, they just sort of
Speaker 1: stop being bright.
Speaker 4: Have you yeah, you have you tried resetting it? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, none of that works.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, that's another thing I like about newer TVs.
Speaker 2: You can get underneath there and get that reset button.
Speaker 3: If it's been a while since it's been programmed, or
Speaker 3: you move a lot, it's got a lot of.
Speaker 2: Crap programmed into it.
Speaker 3: You clear that thing out a lot of times, it'll,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever your problem is.
Speaker 2: I had one that wouldn't boot up.
Speaker 3: It would boot up and it would give me a
Speaker 3: blue screen, but it wouldn't give me anything from my computer,
Speaker 3: and it would take forever to boot up.
Speaker 2: And if you reset it. That worked for about another
Speaker 2: three or four months, and then it finally died. So
Speaker 2: now I've got a Visio TV.
Speaker 1: For my monitor, right well, I mean some of mine
Speaker 1: were the oh god, Element, the Element TV, you know
Speaker 1: those things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that monitor I had, Yeah, that monitor I had
Speaker 3: to just went out on.
Speaker 2: I mean not long ago. That was an I bought
Speaker 2: it to Walmart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this could be super cheap. Right. Well, my my
Speaker 1: big you know, my big monitor. I use the one
Speaker 1: that's you know, like fifty inches that's dead, and then
Speaker 1: the one that is exactly like it but smaller, that
Speaker 1: we used to have in the kitchen. I put that
Speaker 1: up on the desk for like about a month. That
Speaker 1: one died. It's weird. It's like I'm eating monitors. But anyway, look,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to just get by on what I have.
Speaker 1: I got broken headphones on right now, all kinds of
Speaker 1: things going on over here. Stuff is starting to break down.
Speaker 2: And yeah, have.
Speaker 3: You I've been meaning to ask you this. I was
Speaker 3: going to ask you last week, but I forgot to
Speaker 3: write it down. Have you heard the latest on Garth
Speaker 3: Brooks is a serial killer theory?
Speaker 1: Oh that's new to me. I didn't really Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a new one to me. I did get like some
Speaker 1: later weird JFK stuff something about you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing I heard just yesterday is how do
Speaker 1: I put this without being a complete ass? Okay, so
Speaker 1: Air Force one right when JFK's body is departing Dallas, Texas,
Speaker 1: LBJ was so celebratory that at some point he got
Speaker 1: a couple of moments with just a couple of his
Speaker 1: cronies around the casket of JFK and they opened the
Speaker 1: lid so Johnson could literally t bag JFK's corpse.
Speaker 2: Now where is this coming from?
Speaker 1: Oh? You know, just like most things insider information, you know,
Speaker 1: see price, you know, Like I said, like I was
Speaker 1: trying to rationally and another thing that came up just
Speaker 1: the other day, because I'm trying to vet some of
Speaker 1: the people presenting at Lancer, and I'm not winning a
Speaker 1: lot of my battles, So there are people that are
Speaker 1: going to be there that I would not have allowed
Speaker 1: to survive the vetting process for presenting real information. But
Speaker 1: I'm doing my best to influence some and quite honestly,
Speaker 1: I've even added a few people that I know we're
Speaker 1: going to be a little bit wacky, but at least
Speaker 1: they'll be interesting because we're not trying to be you know,
Speaker 1: one hundred percent information is all that matters, and you know,
Speaker 1: academic about everything this year. So I'm you know, trying
Speaker 1: to counterbalance a little bit and add a bit of flair.
Speaker 1: If we're going to be, you know, less than stringent
Speaker 1: about our standards regarding the information, I figure we should
Speaker 1: also add some elements of entertainment, like not just make
Speaker 1: it all rambling, babbling nonsense. But anyway, more on that
Speaker 1: much much later, because I don't want to spoil Are
Speaker 1: you going to have.
Speaker 3: The person with are you going to have the person
Speaker 3: with the t bagging theory?
Speaker 2: There?
Speaker 1: No, but but anyway, No, I can't come on. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's limits. But the thing is, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: look there are Seriously, there's been a couple of instances
Speaker 1: here where I've been like, this person cannot do what
Speaker 1: they're saying they're going to do. They just I don't
Speaker 1: have them talk about anything but this, you know. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so I had to, with my voice in this shape,
Speaker 1: try and explain and again how JFK's body was not
Speaker 1: exchanged for JD Tippet. Okay, you know that theory, right?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, you know. Literally they they say that,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things that's evidence here is
Speaker 1: that some people nicknamed JD. Tippitt JFK because he looks
Speaker 1: so much like him. So anyway, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: think that.
Speaker 3: I remember I'm looking at those photo rays when people
Speaker 3: were making that claim, and I'm sitting there thinking, you know,
Speaker 3: I can see a slight resemblance.
Speaker 2: The funny thing was they were also.
Speaker 3: Using X rays superimposed on each other to show that
Speaker 3: there was so much similarity between the skulls and this,
Speaker 3: and that I'm sitting there thinking, well, you know, what
Speaker 3: are you compared it to because the X rays.
Speaker 2: I mean, when they anything done to Kennedy, half his
Speaker 2: head was missing. So you go and buy here, it's
Speaker 2: just strange.
Speaker 1: Well, as with most things, it's very subjective and it's
Speaker 1: very difficult to explain to people, you know, when they
Speaker 1: are convinced of something, you know, and you've got to
Speaker 1: think about it, much like you know, much like religion,
Speaker 1: even when you try and explain to somebody when they swear,
Speaker 1: they cross over, you know, because if you just have
Speaker 1: your faith, you have your faith. That's something that either
Speaker 1: you do or do not have, and you can proclaim
Speaker 1: it and I can't really challenge it because I don't
Speaker 1: know what's inside of you. And that's all that's required
Speaker 1: for you to believe, is your faith. But when they
Speaker 1: make declarations about, you know, things the church did or
Speaker 1: didn't do, or how long the church has been around,
Speaker 1: or you know, what is provable history versus again, what
Speaker 1: is an article of faith, They're not necessarily the same thing,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter. I mean, there are people that
Speaker 1: you know, basically have a religion that was invented twenty
Speaker 1: years ago and claim that it's really an ancient religion,
Speaker 1: you know, and there's no record of it because the
Speaker 1: evil overlords, you know, deleted it from history until now.
Speaker 1: Much like you know, l Ron Hubbard wrote a science
Speaker 1: fiction novel about a guy who dumped a bunch of
Speaker 1: humans into volcanoes and blew them up with nuclear weapons.
Speaker 1: And now those souls are walking around and some of
Speaker 1: them are us. That is reality to some people because
Speaker 1: they believe in it, right.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 1: Or you have magic underpants and the Christ figure visited America,
Speaker 1: and you know, weird things I.
Speaker 3: Never understood that we moved.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny.
Speaker 3: We moved to Salt Lake City, which is, you know,
Speaker 3: Mormon capital of USA.
Speaker 1: I was trying and I was trying to move into
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Yeah. I was trying not to mention specifically,
Speaker 1: but sorry, go ahead, Well.
Speaker 2: I'm doing truid.
Speaker 3: I won't mention it because that's something I could never
Speaker 3: figure out the purpose of the Holy underwear. I never
Speaker 3: got my friend I would go I had a friend
Speaker 3: that was Catholic. I would go to Mass with him.
Speaker 3: We went to the Lutheran Church, and then I would
Speaker 3: also go to some of the services that another friend
Speaker 3: of mine who was Mormon, and he was explaining this stuff,
Speaker 3: and uh, finally we got you know, got a Book
Speaker 3: of Mormon and I was able to read it, and.
Speaker 2: I asked him.
Speaker 3: He could not answer the question, what's the purpose of
Speaker 3: the Holy underwear? I didn't your temple garment or whatever
Speaker 3: the hell they call it.
Speaker 2: And he's got nobody could ever make that make sense
Speaker 2: to me?
Speaker 3: What difference does it make when you wearing fruit of
Speaker 3: loom or whatever's approved by the church.
Speaker 1: Well, and did fruit of loom exist with the cornucopia?
Speaker 1: Because Andela Effect too, by the way, you know, sorry,
Speaker 1: I had to throw it in.
Speaker 2: Well, you got to get up the speed on this
Speaker 2: Garth Brooks Tha. I fell in the other night.
Speaker 3: I was up late, couldn't sleep, and I started looking
Speaker 3: at these YouTube videos and I.
Speaker 2: Started falling through a rabbit hole. It's pretty interesting what
Speaker 2: they've come up with.
Speaker 1: Okay, fill me in, go ahead, all right.
Speaker 3: Back in the eighties, you know, Garth Brooks grew up Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: And rodeo was a big thing.
Speaker 3: He was friends with Chrys LaDou, who was a music
Speaker 3: artist that was also a BRONC writer.
Speaker 2: And all or bull writer bull writer.
Speaker 3: Anyway, somebody asked him one time if he would ride
Speaker 3: a bull for charity, and he made the comment, I'd
Speaker 3: rather kill somebody, meaning, you know, going to prison the
Speaker 3: rest of your life at all be better than riding
Speaker 3: the band bull. Well years later, Tom Segurrow, the comic,
Speaker 3: had some bit where he was talking about Garth Brooks
Speaker 3: and he says, you know that guy has got a
Speaker 3: serial killer smile, and he did this bit on it
Speaker 3: and I've been trying to find the original video.
Speaker 2: I haven't found it yet.
Speaker 3: Well, from there, things took off on the Internet, So
Speaker 3: people started taking Garth, you know, when he first was
Speaker 3: starting out and he got his his deal record deal
Speaker 3: and all he did a lot of traveling to state
Speaker 3: fairs and would perform at the state fairs. So they
Speaker 3: started looking at all of his appearances on tour and
Speaker 3: so far this one guy with a couple of researchers
Speaker 3: have pegged on They say one hundred and twenty missing
Speaker 3: persons and ninety unsolved thomisides that corus spawn to the
Speaker 3: very close proximity to wherever Garth Brooks was touring. And
Speaker 3: they've done this over the years, and supposedly he's got
Speaker 3: a bunch of bodies buried under the floors of his
Speaker 3: house there outside of Nashville, where he bought a bunch
Speaker 3: of property, built this humongous house. But it's just strange
Speaker 3: how they're trying to connect this thing.
Speaker 2: And it's gotten so bad that whenever.
Speaker 3: Garth posts on social media, people are always leaving the
Speaker 3: comments and there, where's the body's guard?
Speaker 2: Tell us guards, where's the bodies.
Speaker 1: It's become this huge thing.
Speaker 2: But they've been able to correlate two hundred missing persons
Speaker 2: are homicides just with the little bit of research that.
Speaker 3: They've done and they're still looking into it see if
Speaker 3: they can expand the number.
Speaker 1: Well I barely know what to say there. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't Garth Brooks actually different personality in public at
Speaker 1: one point, like a whole other wasn't he like was
Speaker 1: it Chris Gaines or whatever? He was a different artist
Speaker 1: And no.
Speaker 3: He came out well no, he came out with an album.
Speaker 3: He was going to they were going to do this movie,
Speaker 3: and he came out with an album as an alter ego.
Speaker 1: His name was.
Speaker 3: Chris Gaines and he had his hair kind of coming
Speaker 3: straight down, you know, I guess partial beard growth and
Speaker 3: eyed mask era and stuff like that, and that was
Speaker 3: his alter ego.
Speaker 2: But he was it was his rock music alter ego.
Speaker 5: And that feeds into the theory too that Garth is
Speaker 5: touring and this alter ego of Chris Gaines is the
Speaker 5: ones that's committing the murders.
Speaker 4: Oh it's really.
Speaker 2: You got it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Well okay, well that's a new one on me. I
Speaker 1: wasn't aware of it, but why not, right, because you
Speaker 1: know what it is? The fascination with the recent Dexter
Speaker 1: TV series has given people a resurgence in this you know, intricate,
Speaker 1: you know, double life, triple life, you know, living different
Speaker 1: lives with different people scenarios. That sort of thing has
Speaker 1: always been popular. But I think maybe maybe it's the
Speaker 1: Dexter resurrection has sort of stoked this. But how long
Speaker 1: has this been going on for? I'm totally unaware of
Speaker 1: this particular subcultural thing happening.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know it Dexter.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering, would Dexter have ever come along if Breaking
Speaker 3: Bad hadn't have been there first? And what was the
Speaker 3: other program to spin off of that? Let's call Saul better,
Speaker 3: call Saul, right, you know that kind of black yeah,
Speaker 3: black drama humor. I'm wondering, you know, did they did
Speaker 3: someone who'd come up with Dexter go, Hey, now's the
Speaker 3: time to put it out there, because you know, somebody
Speaker 3: had been sitting on that idea for a while.
Speaker 1: I got to figure out whether which one friend of
Speaker 1: the neighborhood. Yeah, I got to figure out which one
Speaker 1: existed first. I mean, I gotta I gotta go. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go check it out.
Speaker 2: Breaking Bad was out before Dexter.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I want to check because it seems.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's confusing to me. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: because I got I only paid attention to these things
Speaker 1: like after their initial runs, and uh yeah, somebody had
Speaker 1: to convince me to watch Breaking Bad. Because I'm always
Speaker 1: against the most popular thing. It's like, oh, it's super popular.
Speaker 1: That means a great many people like it, and that
Speaker 1: guarantees that it entertains a lot of morons. So I'm
Speaker 1: generally resistant to getting in to what's moronic because it's
Speaker 1: like a certainty when things are popular, they're often moronic.
Speaker 1: What can I say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never was able.
Speaker 3: I watched a few episodes of Breaking Bad, kind of
Speaker 3: kind of like the high points whenever something happened, and then, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I watched the end of it.
Speaker 3: I was over somewhere and they were watching it because
Speaker 3: it was the last episode. Let's see, it came out
Speaker 3: in January of two thousand and a.
Speaker 2: Let's look at Dexter.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: And Dexter two thousand and six. Really, so Dexter was
Speaker 2: out first.
Speaker 1: That's what I was thinking. You were wrong. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to say it because I wasn't certain, but I was.
Speaker 3: I see, I never heard of Dexter until until on
Speaker 3: his own showtime.
Speaker 1: That's why. Yeah.
Speaker 3: They started October October of two thousand and six. Wow,
Speaker 3: so a year and a half before Breaking Bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now Breaking Bed was what was the big zombie
Speaker 1: thing that was The Walking Dead?
Speaker 2: When did that start?
Speaker 1: Well that there's another interesting one. I think probably around
Speaker 1: twenty twelve, like right around the time of somewhere in there.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing I'm not looking at it, but you could
Speaker 1: take a look, and.
Speaker 2: I probably walking did was I come on.
Speaker 1: Come on, it's got to be around the time of
Speaker 1: the Mayan calendar idea being popular. Okay, so a little
Speaker 1: head of the Mayan calendar when people were panicking about
Speaker 1: it coming up twenty ten. Okay, yeah, see that. He'd
Speaker 1: be amazed when certain, you know things, you think, because
Speaker 1: they become popular, people are talking about them more, people think, oh,
Speaker 1: they suddenly exist. Now it's it's a weird thing.
Speaker 3: I don't think I've seen showtime in thirty years.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but then again, you know, and that's a
Speaker 1: factor here where The Walking Dead and The Breaking Bad
Speaker 1: they were both on AMC you know, so they were
Speaker 1: both on a basic cable channel there for a bit,
Speaker 1: so more people had that than had HBO or Showtime.
Speaker 1: Showtime actually did one of the best limited series I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, and I think it's only had two seasons
Speaker 1: and they have not even threatened to bring it back.
Speaker 1: And it was called Counterpart, and it had that what JK.
Speaker 1: Simmons was like the lead actor in it. You ever
Speaker 1: see that one?
Speaker 2: No, I don't believe. So there's a lot of those
Speaker 2: like that I've never even heard of. There was another one.
Speaker 3: I can't think of the name, had a guy that
Speaker 3: was just deadpaan dry humor.
Speaker 1: In our chat room. By the way, Chris had said
Speaker 1: ahead of one of us looking things up that Dexter
Speaker 1: came before Breaking Bad. But also he said that the
Speaker 1: Chris Gaines thing wasn't rock really. See, it gets weird
Speaker 1: when people start calling certain things rock, but Chris Gaines
Speaker 1: was more of a pop thing. And I do recall
Speaker 1: it kind of flopped. It did not go well. But
Speaker 1: it's also not a super original idea. If you remember,
Speaker 1: there was a phenomena before Internet times called Eddie and
Speaker 1: the Cruisers, and Eddie and the Cruisers was a big deal,
Speaker 1: right the first movie and all they did a sequel.
Speaker 1: There was an album out there called Eddie and the Cruisers.
Speaker 1: It was the soundtrack of the movie. But the truth
Speaker 1: is a band from New Jersey and fronted by a
Speaker 1: guy named John Cafferty. John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown
Speaker 1: Band were actually the musicians performing the Eddie and the
Speaker 1: Cruisers music. Now, they used it in the movie and
Speaker 1: they showed you actors. I forget who they were, but
Speaker 1: some of them, pretty famous and well known at different points,
Speaker 1: were involved in Eddie and the Cruisers. And I'm just
Speaker 1: you know, off the top of my head not using
Speaker 1: specific names. I probably sound like an idiot, but they
Speaker 1: made a whole movie in a phenomena with a band
Speaker 1: that wasn't real but had real musicians behind it, you know,
Speaker 1: sort of like what they did with The Monkeys, where
Speaker 1: they didn't know how to play their instruments at the beginning,
Speaker 1: and then they had to learn to play their instruments
Speaker 1: when they went on tour, right literally at one point,
Speaker 1: with Jimmy Hendrick's opening for them, which is a weird situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 3: It's kind of strange now, you know, I grew up.
Speaker 3: That was one of the first albums I ever bought
Speaker 3: back in let's say sixty six.
Speaker 2: I think it was here Come the Monkeys.
Speaker 1: Monkeys.
Speaker 3: But it's strange how Peter Tork in that group was
Speaker 3: an actual musician and the people that he hung out
Speaker 3: with there in California is amazing. I mean, you've got
Speaker 3: the Yardbirds, members of that. You've got of course, you know,
Speaker 3: cross By, Stills and Nash, they're all hanging out in
Speaker 3: non a nice little community out there in the hills.
Speaker 2: A Linda Ronstadt was a cass Elliott.
Speaker 1: It's funny you call that. They were all just one
Speaker 1: big group out there. Yeah, you call that a nice
Speaker 1: little community in the hills and whatever. But these little
Speaker 1: clutches of musicians and subcultures that ends up banging into
Speaker 1: the Manson family and all kinds of weirdness and all
Speaker 1: the military intelligence operators. I mean, like Jim Marrison for example,
Speaker 1: was the son of a military intelligence guy. Pretty high up. Actually,
Speaker 1: you know, the guys from the doors and all that.
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: And if you take that, I well, if you take
Speaker 1: a look at some of the work of certain writers
Speaker 1: they got, you know, what is it strange stories from
Speaker 1: inside the Canyon.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: There was a guy that was really popular in conspiracy
Speaker 1: culture passed away now. Dave McGowan wrote that, uh, and
Speaker 1: that's about, you know, some pretty interesting stuff and weird
Speaker 1: coincidences and overlaps and stuff like that. Funny thing about
Speaker 1: the Monkeys to me is that not only did they
Speaker 1: have that time period where they had to learn to
Speaker 1: be musicians so they could actually go out and do
Speaker 1: their own TV shows, you know, stick live somewhere, but
Speaker 1: also they had a resurgence where their popularity jumped again
Speaker 1: into pop culture in the nineteen eighties at a weird time.
Speaker 1: And why because Nick at Knight started running old TV
Speaker 1: shows and one of them was The Monkeys. We got calls,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to go to them and try and
Speaker 1: shut up. But I always find it interesting the cycle
Speaker 1: of what is popular and what is allegedly culture and
Speaker 1: when they come together and collide and create pop culture
Speaker 1: is almost scary. You what's China?
Speaker 2: Do you remember the banana slits?
Speaker 1: Of course, but again another joke. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot I didn't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if they were before your time or not,
Speaker 3: because there's an age difference between us.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But the thing is everything that you saw
Speaker 1: as a kid, or everything even your parents could have
Speaker 1: watched on TV earlier, right, all came back. You know,
Speaker 1: I was watching Rocky and Bullwinkle at a certain point
Speaker 1: that's not even from our era. That's like post World
Speaker 1: War two entertaining kids on a nineteen fifty TV, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Rocky and Bullwinkle, and that's had
Speaker 1: different resurgences, right, and yeah, it's kind of hard to
Speaker 1: beat the original comic though, well okay, but that was Rocky.
Speaker 3: And bull Eagle was excellent because they you know, they
Speaker 3: broke it down into you had the fractured fairy tales
Speaker 3: and you had the what was the other shorts that
Speaker 3: they would have in there?
Speaker 2: Fractioned fairy Tales used to just healed me.
Speaker 1: I have it hilarious Sherman and mister Peabody and uh
Speaker 1: yeah remember the time Let's go travel through Time, mister Peabody,
Speaker 1: you know right, and the little kid Sherman. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was another thing. Anyway, what Secret Squirrel I think was
Speaker 1: part of that anyhow, whole little subgenre. And you know, again,
Speaker 1: how many generations, you know, until this one now kind
Speaker 1: of had all sorts of bugs Bunny and the Looney Tunes.
Speaker 1: And here we go again with Mandela stuff. Anyway, let
Speaker 1: me shut up and get to a caller, because I'm
Speaker 1: not sure long how long he's been on hold. And
Speaker 1: believe me, I'm tired of talking. And no, I don't
Speaker 1: think my voice is very sexy. Private messager that said
Speaker 1: I got to you know, sound like I'm putting on
Speaker 1: my second see boys, or I'm trying to do my
Speaker 1: nature boy impression. I'm not. I'm forcing my uh my
Speaker 1: vocals very carefully so that I can speak, but my
Speaker 1: throat hurts like hell and it might give out at
Speaker 1: some point here. Anyway, let's get to the caller. Uh
Speaker 1: and I think if I can, if I'm reading this correctly,
Speaker 1: it's Danny in California. Uh and and this time I
Speaker 1: didn't mix him up with Chris. So there we go. Danny,
Speaker 1: h you should be live. Let's see.
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. I'm getting the feedback.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you're getting some kind of feedback, but uh go.
Speaker 4: Ahead, Okay, well let me see. Okay, that's better. Speaker
Speaker 4: just coming back. Yeah, I'm on speaker. Let me get
Speaker 4: off the speaker. Let's see if this works.
Speaker 6: Let me see it.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry about.
Speaker 1: This, no, no problem, believe me, we've had worse issues.
Speaker 4: With pok okay, okay, okay, wow, yeah, okay, I got
Speaker 4: off speaking. I think this is better. Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry,
Speaker 4: voice is not feeling all that well. It was interesting
Speaker 4: you were talking about a lot of these TV shows.
Speaker 4: BP and I are the same age of the rocking
Speaker 4: and bowling cool and all those cartoons bring back upond memories.
Speaker 4: And I never watched Dexter, but it did come late
Speaker 4: to the game to Breaking Band, and I powered myself
Speaker 4: to watch that whole series that was really dark. I
Speaker 4: thought Better Call Saul was a much better program than
Speaker 4: Breaking Bad in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Well, what's funny is if you think, if you think
Speaker 1: Breaking Bad is dark, Danny, the premise of Dexter, which
Speaker 1: by the way, they've had various incarnations of that show
Speaker 1: now is you know, no, no big spoiler here. Dexter
Speaker 1: is a serial killer who successfully oh she's murders mostly
Speaker 1: other killers, uh, living by a code where he just
Speaker 1: is like an implement of justice to satisfy his dark
Speaker 1: urge to murder. So which which is darker that or
Speaker 1: the guy making meth right? I mean, just premise wise,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, well, you know, like I said, I Powered to
Speaker 4: Death just left me always with sad feelings, and I
Speaker 4: was like, when is this strow going to end? And
Speaker 4: I did think the ending was appropriate, as is Walter
Speaker 4: Wright's laying there on the ground and they start playing
Speaker 4: I got what I deserved. If that made sense.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. And this this latest Dexter Resurrection, if
Speaker 1: you have access to it through one of your streamers
Speaker 1: or whatever, I do recommend it because it's pretty wild,
Speaker 1: and it's in the backdrop you know it's staged or
Speaker 1: takes place I should say, in New York, which you'd
Speaker 1: almost think there's no reason for that if you saw
Speaker 1: the previous seasons. And also Dexter is supposed to have
Speaker 1: been killed off as a character at the end of
Speaker 1: two different seasons, because there's been Dexter and then there
Speaker 1: was Dexter New Blood, and then there was Dexter Original Sin.
Speaker 1: And now we have again another series, Dexter Resurrection, and
Speaker 1: it's been by popular demand. People keep asking for it
Speaker 1: to come back, and there's a serious, strong fan base.
Speaker 1: But to me, I find it fascinating because I, you know,
Speaker 1: enjoyed studying serial killers at one point thought myself to
Speaker 1: maybe someday be a profile or even which you know,
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, you know, one of those
Speaker 1: child Yeah, other kids wanted to be fireman, unlike I'd
Speaker 1: like to be an FBI profiler.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I had thoughts question.
Speaker 3: Question, have they had a different actor playing the part
Speaker 3: of Dexter. Has it been Dexter through all of the
Speaker 3: series or is it like a new character when they
Speaker 3: come out with another series.
Speaker 1: No, most of the time, it's Michael Seahall, the same
Speaker 1: actor most of the time, except when they go back
Speaker 1: in time and he's a kid or whatever. You know.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, so he's been playing it all the way through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dexter is the same guy all the way through,
Speaker 1: even though at one point he impersonates another guy, you know,
Speaker 1: takes on a different identity. But it's still Dexter Morgan
Speaker 1: that we started with from you know, episode one, season
Speaker 1: one of Just Dexter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, which is really fascinating too, because those times
Speaker 1: they would have rebooted it or you know, or reclaimed it,
Speaker 1: or come up with a new actor or you know,
Speaker 1: now it's Dexter's brother whatever. They would have done that
Speaker 1: normally in a TV show, but somehow Michael C. Hall
Speaker 1: has maintained this role now since what did you say
Speaker 1: came out in twenty ten Dexter or something like that,
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, two thousand and six. Sorry, it
Speaker 1: was really so for somebody to do this for twenty
Speaker 1: years now has some pretty impressive you know, spreading out
Speaker 1: a role for TV series one, two, three, four of
Speaker 1: them separately. Let me see Regular Dexter, Resurrection, new Blood,
Speaker 1: Original Sin, and so there's been what four different series
Speaker 1: that you know are all connected to the Dexter universe
Speaker 1: of serial killings.
Speaker 3: Oh, I understand is coming back or has just started
Speaker 3: this season? I think so maybe this will be the
Speaker 3: fifth season. Well, no, this is a fifth series. No, no, no,
Speaker 3: this is a season two. The resurrection is now scheduled.
Speaker 3: Now they just finished season one, you know, airing it
Speaker 3: or releasing it. I didn't see the last episode or
Speaker 3: the last couple episodes, but I am following the storyline
Speaker 3: through reviews and things, which which is fascinating.
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of sad that when I lost certain
Speaker 1: well accesses, I had access to the showtime stuff and
Speaker 1: now I don't. I was kind of sad because I
Speaker 1: missed the last couple episodes of this season, which just
Speaker 1: concluded pretty wild, you know. But anyway, sorry, Danny, you
Speaker 1: were saying something else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, I never I never watched an episode
Speaker 4: of it. I know i'd have to maybe maybe eventually,
Speaker 4: when I have the time, maybe I'll check it out.
Speaker 6: The series.
Speaker 4: I just I just know I watched Breaking Bad and
Speaker 4: that just left. That was a dark, dark show. I
Speaker 4: thought Better Call Salt was a little better. It was
Speaker 4: just a tad bit lighter, and it kind of puts
Speaker 4: some of the pieces together to kind of build up
Speaker 4: to what Breaking Bad was all about.
Speaker 6: But you're talking about you want to be an.
Speaker 4: FBI profilers or a seerical ful profiler kind of reminds
Speaker 4: me of the Fox Molder character, because he was that's
Speaker 4: what his role was originally with fis A, not just
Speaker 4: the X Files, but as a profiler to serial killers.
Speaker 1: I mean, full disclosure, all the way up to two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, I mean I had even applied for
Speaker 1: a job with the NSA to be a signals analyst.
Speaker 1: I had ideas about, you know, making my living as
Speaker 1: an analyst one way or another, you know, And so
Speaker 1: now I'm just a media analyst, you know, independent and
Speaker 1: not really you know, doing it as what anybody would
Speaker 1: probably call a career, but it has been my devoted
Speaker 1: activity now for years, regardless of podcast universe, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Uh So, I've always been an analyst. I like to
Speaker 1: analyze things and figure out what's going on, uh, entirely
Speaker 1: in a circumstance among people, among you know, things which
Speaker 1: are not readily self evident to everybody else. I enjoy that, so,
Speaker 1: you know, weird little insight into me. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I always found Breaking Bad, Breaking Bad and Better Call Sault,
Speaker 1: which I haven't watched all of Better Call Saul, but uh,
Speaker 1: I find those things to be extremely funny. They're comedic,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're comedies. To me, they're hilarious. Uh as
Speaker 1: far as I'm.
Speaker 4: Concerned, there was it was a it was a mix.
Speaker 4: It was a mix of some.
Speaker 6: Humor and darkness.
Speaker 4: I think Better Call Saul actually had some better humor
Speaker 4: just just for my liking. I just sometimes I was like,
Speaker 4: with Breaking Bad, I'm like, what's the point. This is
Speaker 4: just so dark? And I wanted it to end.
Speaker 6: We're baking Breaking were.
Speaker 4: Better Called Saul. It was more intrigued by kind of
Speaker 4: what it was concluding to the end, if that makes sense,
Speaker 4: Like we're breaking bad I just wanted to end, so I.
Speaker 6: Was done with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, better called Saul. I just enjoined it better well.
Speaker 1: Saul Goodman as a character is a you know, is
Speaker 1: a joke within a joke, and a morally vacant lawyer
Speaker 1: who makes basically no bones about being you know, uh scrupulous,
Speaker 1: unscrupulous at all times and just about getting a job done,
Speaker 1: you know, working within the system, but really being you know,
Speaker 1: there's a difference between being a criminal lawyer and a
Speaker 1: criminal lawyer U And even the fact that his name
Speaker 1: is Saul good Man, you know, is just hilarious. I
Speaker 1: mean there's just jokes built on top of jokes, which
Speaker 1: I love that where there's multiple layers of jokes where
Speaker 1: no matter how sophisticated you are, no matter how you
Speaker 1: dig up and you know, break it down, you can
Speaker 1: continuously find different layers of joke or you can just
Speaker 1: take the surface level of it and run with it.
Speaker 1: I like stuff like that. That's why I enjoy Star Trek,
Speaker 1: you know, same reason. And you know it's funny because
Speaker 1: the Star Trek thing, even when you're saying it's dark
Speaker 1: and it gets, you know, kind of sadistic, and its presentation.
Speaker 1: There's a humor to that which which I've always found
Speaker 1: to be the prevailing, you know, characteristic. It's it and
Speaker 1: the Star Trek. Thing's funny because in a recent episode
Speaker 1: there was this whole discussion about sometimes, you know, things
Speaker 1: go so badly that you just have to laugh. You know.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of that line from the Kiss song.
Speaker 1: You know, I got to laugh because I know I'm
Speaker 1: going to die. You know, like tragedy and disaster can
Speaker 1: become humorous when it's excessive and you know, relentless and repetitive,
Speaker 1: which is I guess where I find the dark humor.
Speaker 1: Some people would call it in stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: it's the humor that is the strongest and most obvious
Speaker 1: thing there.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Other people would say, oh, it's very violent, you know,
Speaker 1: it's very very violent, and the violence is like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's TV violence, it's not most of it not very realistic, right,
Speaker 1: So it's like a cartoon. It's like, you know, when
Speaker 1: Tom and Jerry are beating each other over the head
Speaker 1: with anvils, you know, which would crush a cat and
Speaker 1: kill it. You know, this guy gets a lump on
Speaker 1: his head and Birdie's fly around his face. I mean,
Speaker 1: that to me is what I'm looking at. Except it's
Speaker 1: not you know, drawn cartoons. It's people train cartoons on
Speaker 1: TV when I see violence like that, So it's disconnected
Speaker 1: to me. And some people would say I'm overly desensitized
Speaker 1: or whatever, but again I've always found it like it's
Speaker 1: in the way you take it. You know, you could
Speaker 1: see that as oh my god, that's stark, raving, insane, terrible, horrible,
Speaker 1: dark violence. But somebody who's lived some violence might know
Speaker 1: that's a joke. That's not the way things work. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That's as stupid as dropping a thousand pounds andvil on
Speaker 1: a cat. You know, the cat doesn't survive to get
Speaker 1: pissed off at the mouse. The cat is dead if
Speaker 1: it's hit with an anvil like that. You know, Tom
Speaker 1: and Jerry, like I said, it's like human beings doing
Speaker 1: Tom and Jerry as far as I'm concerned when it
Speaker 1: comes to stuff like that, and better call Saul is
Speaker 1: more on the nose with the humor, I think from
Speaker 1: what I've seen of it. But it's loaded, and to me,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a little more clever too, because of
Speaker 1: the character. The character's more nuanced than the guy who
Speaker 1: you know, I'm the suburban science teacher and I know
Speaker 1: the best way to make meth and now I'm Heisenberg,
Speaker 1: you know, Like, to me's hilarious the fact that this
Speaker 1: guy's now, you know, suburban tough guy from a science
Speaker 1: teacher because he couldn't pay for his cancer treatments, you know.
Speaker 1: And he's got the clueless wife who is you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes along for the ride and other times, you know,
Speaker 1: playing the morally outraged, aggrieved woman. And this guy can't
Speaker 1: win no matter how brilliant he is. And you know,
Speaker 1: he's got the brother in law that's an FBI agent.
Speaker 1: I mean, how do you not see the comedy and
Speaker 1: all that. You know, it's like the Keystone Cops. You know,
Speaker 1: like if you actually saw that in real life, you'd
Speaker 1: be like, what the hell's going on? But you could
Speaker 1: laugh at a bunch of cops trying to chase one
Speaker 1: hapless criminal who can't even stay on his feet himself,
Speaker 1: and twenty of them can't catch him. You know, it's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybybe it's just me stuff, you know, but.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, it's it's yeah.
Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of like, you know, we enjoyed
Speaker 4: the society enjoyed the three stoogeos, and you.
Speaker 6: Know they were beating, beating the hell.
Speaker 4: Out of each other, you know, most smacked everybody around
Speaker 4: m hm.
Speaker 1: Exactly. And it's like people getting particularly outraged over South
Speaker 1: Park is picking on you know, Trump now, but they
Speaker 1: didn't for like ten years hardly, you know, in comparison
Speaker 1: to other people they picked on, and they take a
Speaker 1: swing at everybody, and I do mean everybody, which you know,
Speaker 1: to me, it's like even when they took personal swings
Speaker 1: and people like me that were involved in certain things,
Speaker 1: I found it funny because there was just all of
Speaker 1: this you know, meta theater of the absurd they used
Speaker 1: to call it in you know, when I took acting classes,
Speaker 1: theeedar of the absurd. You know, right now their most
Speaker 1: racist and misogynistic, homophobic, whatever, all the things wrapped into one.
Speaker 1: Like Archie bunker On Crack character right now is mad
Speaker 1: as hell at almost everybody because he can't out racist
Speaker 1: the racists around him, and he's mad like they took
Speaker 1: his lane away from him and he's angry that wait
Speaker 1: a minute. You know, other people are hating on the Jews.
Speaker 1: That's my job, you know, like it continues to stack
Speaker 1: itself upon itself, and I find that to be ludicrous.
Speaker 1: I mean it's absurd, and that's what it is. There's
Speaker 1: comedy and absurdity, whether it's violence, or it's you know, negativity,
Speaker 1: or it's overblown positivity, you know, or people being naive
Speaker 1: on top of naive. It's it's hilarious when you dog
Speaker 1: pile and then you throw extra dog piles on the
Speaker 1: dog pile. To me, I find it funny. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't. Maybe again it's just me, but go ahead.
Speaker 6: No, no, I get it.
Speaker 4: I mean I enjoy comedy.
Speaker 6: I had to you.
Speaker 4: My son was always a clown. He was a class clown,
Speaker 4: and he just he just always found the humor and everything.
Speaker 6: In one way or another, and it kind of lightened
Speaker 6: things up.
Speaker 4: I think that some of it's healthy and then some
Speaker 4: of it can be unhealthy.
Speaker 6: Unhealthy.
Speaker 4: I mean, you were talking a lot about it. I
Speaker 4: really did enjoy your little bit of change of subject
Speaker 4: because you talked.
Speaker 6: About your dunning cougar.
Speaker 4: Cougar is psychology, but you know, the dunning that really
Speaker 4: reminded me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, the Dunning Kruger in Fact nine psychology. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I enjoyed that, and it kind of reminds you know,
Speaker 4: then you did the news staff too. I'm not really
Speaker 4: much into Alex Jones. I just never found him. I
Speaker 4: just don't find him fascinating. And I found his whole stick,
Speaker 4: you know, from Sandy Look and he basically just said, hey,
Speaker 4: I'm a performance actor. I mean, so you can't take
Speaker 4: him serious about anything, and I've just found he's just
Speaker 4: an act.
Speaker 1: Well, in fairness, he called himself a performance artist, or
Speaker 1: his lawyers called him a performance artist. When he was,
Speaker 1: you know, in the midst of a court battle with
Speaker 1: his soon to be ex wife and it was over custody,
Speaker 1: and she was talking about, look at the crazy things
Speaker 1: he says on air, and look at how they don't
Speaker 1: fit with you know, the real world. He's delusional and
Speaker 1: he's delusional in public, and that's bad for our kids,
Speaker 1: and I should have custody, the woman was saying. And
Speaker 1: his lawyer's defense was, well, he's actually just a performance artist,
Speaker 1: So what are you getting so upset about? You know. So,
Speaker 1: you know, again, just like when Fox News got sued
Speaker 1: and their lawyers said, well, we're an entertainment company. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a legal defense to deflect from what are you doing?
Speaker 1: And it is what it is. But I look at
Speaker 1: that equally. And the reason why I brought up the
Speaker 1: Alex Jones thing and did that analyzation and really I
Speaker 1: got cut off somehow before I got to finish, was
Speaker 1: because this guy's been doing the same thing to his
Speaker 1: you know, his cohorts, the people that work with him,
Speaker 1: the people that he rises up in his organization. Eventually
Speaker 1: he casts them out and they're pieces of garbage and
Speaker 1: he blacklists them and tries to ruin anything they do
Speaker 1: in the future. And he's done that ever since. A
Speaker 1: guy named Jack Blood was on his network with him
Speaker 1: and was as popular as he was in the early days,
Speaker 1: and he brought up David Knight again for no reason.
Speaker 1: David Knight's a good guy generally speaking, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's got his conservative viewpoints and he's mister patriot, and
Speaker 1: you know he does his podcast in a suit, you
Speaker 1: know nowadays, but he was part of the inprot Wars
Speaker 1: teame at one point, wasn't he. And he brought him
Speaker 1: up as another backstabber, you know, in the midst of
Speaker 1: one of his rants, which I found funny because that's
Speaker 1: many years ago. Now David Knight left. But this is
Speaker 1: a repeated pattern where he cuts people loose and you know,
Speaker 1: they were his brother a week ago and now they're
Speaker 1: you know, narcissistic pos and garbage that needs to be
Speaker 1: you know, ignored because they have no no morals, no standards,
Speaker 1: and they were no good. But while they were with him,
Speaker 1: they were great, you know, and that's what.
Speaker 3: I just had somebody else leave him and he's going
Speaker 3: that now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: One of the shows I did this week. Owen or
Speaker 1: Schroyer or whatever I am. Yeah, Owen shroy Yeah, who
Speaker 1: has now gone out and done what all these guys do,
Speaker 1: which is, hey, let me raise money from my own
Speaker 1: independent platform and they ride off of their popularity they
Speaker 1: had on Info Wars and kind of sad that a
Speaker 1: guy like Jack Blood couldn't do that in you know,
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, right, because these guys in the
Speaker 1: newer media landscape can do that now independently launched themselves boom,
Speaker 1: so now they do. You know, David Knight has his popularity,
Speaker 1: it's not as big as it could have been. But
Speaker 1: if he had waited a little while in the age
Speaker 1: of social media and Alex Jones being elevated because you know,
Speaker 1: he's legitimately connected to the President of the United States,
Speaker 1: he could have gotten a much better launch and probably
Speaker 1: a lot more money for his home studio. Oh and
Speaker 1: a lot more support to launch his podcast and his
Speaker 1: own thing if David had come out of there now.
Speaker 1: But David left years ago because he just disagreed, and
Speaker 1: he tried to do it in a classy way. And
Speaker 1: it's funny that he's still being evoked as a backstammer
Speaker 1: when Jones is in the middle of rants. So that's
Speaker 1: what I was trying to show people, is that it's
Speaker 1: not about you know, the information or this guy. I'm
Speaker 1: not even a fan of this Owen Stroyer or Stroyer
Speaker 1: or whatever his name is. He's just another guy with
Speaker 1: a beard who's you know, a bit younger, who has
Speaker 1: his you know, who has his patriot persona that he sells.
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of guys out there that do that,
Speaker 1: just like there's a lot of these weird lefties that
Speaker 1: are out there, like, you know, whining about everything and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you have to support my podcast because
Speaker 1: left wingers are so attacked. And meanwhile, you know, I've
Speaker 1: been doing this for so long. It's been three years
Speaker 1: and I've been on YouTube all this time, and I
Speaker 1: only have two hundred thousand subscribers. And yeah, yeah, Like
Speaker 1: this guy was getting about three hundred grand a year
Speaker 1: and AJ even tried saying, you know, he's gotten eighty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars worth of raises since twenty nineteen, but he
Speaker 1: was saying that he wasn't getting enough money to keep
Speaker 1: up with the cost of living. Now was it commensurate
Speaker 1: with the massive operation and his contributions. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: for him and his employer to negotiate, But I find
Speaker 1: it weird. Like I said, just like that guy was,
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, I didn't notice one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars I got from Russian oligarchs to request
Speaker 1: a podcast because you know, it just it was only
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, if that's where
Speaker 1: you're at, cool, But what does that tell you about
Speaker 1: what he's got? If one hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: it's like, eh, take it or leave it. Oh, by
Speaker 1: the way I sent it back, no big deal. Well,
Speaker 1: that gives you an idea the size of their operation,
Speaker 1: you know. That's all I was trying to say, is
Speaker 1: look at the size of operation and how they can
Speaker 1: be split off, and how it's always the same whether
Speaker 1: he was on public Access TV and a dozen radio stations,
Speaker 1: or if he's a worldwide phenomenon with dual broadcasting and
Speaker 1: you know, live twenty four to seven on the Internet
Speaker 1: and everything's an emergency broadcast because he's got insider information
Speaker 1: and connection to Donald Trump, it doesn't matter the guy
Speaker 1: behaves the same way. That was my point. But probably
Speaker 1: people missed it all right, anyway, that's why I did that.
Speaker 1: You probably didn't.
Speaker 7: Listen to it.
Speaker 4: I got that part. It just kind of reminded me.
Speaker 4: Even in you know, that's kind of like a big,
Speaker 4: big circle, but even in small circles, people always It's
Speaker 4: just something societal human nature. We have a pecking order.
Speaker 4: If you get on the top, you got to peck
Speaker 4: on those that are down below. I've seen that in
Speaker 4: small scale, large.
Speaker 1: Scale, but again, like around the turn of the century, right,
Speaker 1: A guy that I ended up working with later at
Speaker 1: American Freedom radio. His whole network is everything he had.
Speaker 1: He was one of the guys that was blacklisted in
Speaker 1: the early days of Alex Jones when he went out
Speaker 1: of his way to destroy other people looking for employment
Speaker 1: once they parted company with him, Danny Romero, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I've known some of these guys who
Speaker 1: were outcast from the Info Wars universe over the years,
Speaker 1: and I find it funny that the strategy remains the same,
Speaker 1: the attitude, and the behavior remains the same, regardless of
Speaker 1: whether you know he's literally doing money bombs with everybody
Speaker 1: and begging for five dollars donations, or he's so well
Speaker 1: funded that I think he can absorb the Sandy Hook
Speaker 1: lawsuits given the amount of money that he have.
Speaker 4: I'm shocked. Yeah, I'm just shocked he's able to have
Speaker 4: such a platform even after the Sandy Hook. I mean,
Speaker 4: to me, just was morally iveryvncible in his behavior. So
Speaker 4: that's why I'm no fanom of Jones.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, put aside his behavior or your judgments,
Speaker 1: just take a look at the fact that he's been
Speaker 1: given the blessing. You know, I'm not part of the
Speaker 1: establishment media. Well, You've been established for a quarter century
Speaker 1: at least as a massive broadcast to talk to yourself.
Speaker 1: So what are you You know, you're not struggling like
Speaker 1: me to have a voice that doesn't comport with a big,
Speaker 1: giant gang. So what are you outside of exactly? You
Speaker 1: know CNN calls you up to get commentary on the President.
Speaker 1: Now you know they call you at the BBC. You're
Speaker 1: broadcast across the world, supported by the tech industry, supported
Speaker 1: by massive donors, supported by the President who was showing
Speaker 1: up on his show almost on demand. I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to the President about it. And every day is
Speaker 1: a panic attack emergency broadcast, Like even right now, if
Speaker 1: I go to X, I guarantee you I haven't look.
Speaker 1: Let's look, he's having some emergency mel down on his
Speaker 1: broadcast all day today. Probably let's see Alex Jones. Okay, literally,
Speaker 1: this is what it says live on X. The two
Speaker 1: things that they want to show me live on X.
Speaker 1: At the top of the list, Alex Jones is hosting
Speaker 1: Friday emergency broadcast, Trump announces plan two do something. I
Speaker 1: can't see all of it. And then the second choice
Speaker 1: up here Alex Jones Network, which is apparently a dual broadcast,
Speaker 1: with the first one live instead of Friday Emergency broadcast.
Speaker 1: The first word is live emergency broadcast. Trump announces plan
Speaker 1: two dot dot. Now, let's see if I click on it,
Speaker 1: it'll probably give me the rest of the sentence. Or
Speaker 1: maybe not. Oh, I can't see the rest of the sentence.
Speaker 1: Come on, why not show me? Show me the full right,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to see the full page. Maybe I got
Speaker 1: a double click on it. Okay, here we go. Friday
Speaker 1: Emergency broadcast. Trump announced his plan to send troops to
Speaker 1: Poland as the specter of total war. As the specter
Speaker 1: of two total war nears, learn why Elon Musk was absent? Well,
Speaker 1: evil tech invaded the White House last night. Plus Venezuelan
Speaker 1: fighter Jed buzzes US Navy ship must watch. This is
Speaker 1: the Alex Jones show broadcast, which is going on on
Speaker 1: X right now.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, Chuck, I see I you know, I
Speaker 4: don't even follow out Jones. And guess what, I'm constantly
Speaker 4: non stop. Once he got back on X, He's been boosted.
Speaker 4: I always get these things live, live live. I've just
Speaker 4: always ignored it. I just don't have I just don't
Speaker 4: value any of his I don't find I just don't
Speaker 4: find him entertainment or informal. I just think he's full
Speaker 4: of it, you know, so that you're making the point
Speaker 4: that he's he's got this access so, you know, kind
Speaker 4: of reminds me of what Aaron Franz was kind of prophetic,
Speaker 4: you know about the dark technocracy, that there's just we're
Speaker 4: just feeding. There's there's a loop that where some people
Speaker 4: get boosted. They're just feeding this narrative of confusion.
Speaker 6: And people follow it.
Speaker 4: You know, they're I guess they're entertaining for others, but
Speaker 4: their points view, but they're they have them distracted to
Speaker 4: this message.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 1: It's the business of fear porn, you know, for people
Speaker 1: that want to remain in a heightened state of anxiety.
Speaker 1: He'll feed that for you. You want some anxiety, you
Speaker 1: want to panic attack, I got it for you. We're
Speaker 1: under siege, everybody's under siege. Trump is under attack. He's
Speaker 1: attacking others. Here we go. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: anything about this issue of we're we're sending troops to
Speaker 1: Poland Now. I thought we were sending the National Guard
Speaker 1: to Chicago last time.
Speaker 4: Look, the first time I've heard of that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well but.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. And like, yeah, like I said, I
Speaker 1: tuned in a couple of years ago just to kind
Speaker 1: of like randomly pop on his live stream at one point,
Speaker 1: and it was like, we're being invaded from the southern
Speaker 1: border right now. There's an invasion happening. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's some people say, well, there was an invasion happening, okay,
Speaker 1: but he's the guy who actually created that narrative. First,
Speaker 1: we're being invaded because of all the people crossing over
Speaker 1: the border. Now, people crossing over the border is a
Speaker 1: little different than an armed military you know, actually crossing
Speaker 1: into the United States in my mind, but not to others.
Speaker 1: So you know, here it is, and people say that
Speaker 1: that's you know, it's like a proxy attack from other
Speaker 1: countries the way they're sending there, and they're what are
Speaker 1: they doing. They're sending their criminals, They're sending their mental patients, right,
Speaker 1: That's what That's what the narrative is. Anyway, it's just
Speaker 1: amazing to me that he was doing that, you know,
Speaker 1: way before Trump and via Roger Stone. I feel like
Speaker 1: Trump learned how to pick up the fear porn paradigm.
Speaker 1: But look, I got to call up. I got Chris
Speaker 1: from Florida on the line, who's been waiting a while.
Speaker 1: I'd like to get to him real quick, Danny, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but hang on, I'll come back around to you.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, so Chris Florida and I didn't mix up your
Speaker 1: names this time. How you doing, man?
Speaker 4: I was gonna I'm doing good. I was gonna say,
Speaker 4: you got my name right?
Speaker 1: Thank god. Yeah, at least I can get that right
Speaker 1: while I'm struggling to speak. Right, that's it.
Speaker 8: Hey, if I wearing pennies, it'd be wet right now.
Speaker 4: Listen to you.
Speaker 1: See, you're the one who said privately to me, it's
Speaker 1: like my sexy voice, which is funny because there was
Speaker 1: a family guy up.
Speaker 4: I said, you giving up nature boy vibes? You know
Speaker 4: that thing going on?
Speaker 3: That's right, man, we can all remember back to the
Speaker 3: days when he and nature Boy used to have brocasms
Speaker 3: over show it.
Speaker 1: Brogasms. Wow, brogasm. There's a new term for me. I
Speaker 1: never heard that, brogasm.
Speaker 9: It sounds good. It's got a ring.
Speaker 1: Good at least kidding that.
Speaker 9: Yeah, where do I want to go?
Speaker 8: Sorry, didn't mean to test right, what the level of
Speaker 8: parental guidance for what the we want to maintain PG
Speaker 8: or they can venture adventure beyond.
Speaker 1: Hey, you go ahead with whatever you want. We don't
Speaker 1: do a m F anymore. But you know, let's try
Speaker 1: and be reasonable, right.
Speaker 4: All right, I guess all right, Well.
Speaker 2: That's fun.
Speaker 8: You know, you guys talked about so many subjects such.
Speaker 4: A short period of time.
Speaker 8: You know, someone like making calling, you know when I
Speaker 8: hear something that you know, kind of he rings.
Speaker 9: My bell a little bit, and then then.
Speaker 8: You'd deviate, you know, ventured and talked about all these.
Speaker 4: Other different subjects. But it sounds the one.
Speaker 8: I mean, if you think that he actually was facing
Speaker 8: what what was the total fine? It was over a billion,
Speaker 8: I mean it was I think I think he faced
Speaker 8: the higher find them what Pfizer did back in the day,
Speaker 8: and I thought, and then I thought, yeah, he was
Speaker 8: much higher than Again, it's book the world record for
Speaker 8: the largest fine.
Speaker 4: Crypt.
Speaker 8: Now if you think that he actually was legitimately facing
Speaker 8: that fine and he's still in business, yeah he needed
Speaker 8: to rethink some things.
Speaker 1: Well, one point five billion is Alex Jones. But in fairness,
Speaker 1: the opioid thing was many more billions that they were
Speaker 1: being charge different companies depending on which one, you know,
Speaker 1: I should look at the Sackler combined penalties for context,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you maybe, but regardless, I mean, if if he
Speaker 10: was actually facing that fine, and if that was a
Speaker 10: legitimate thing has asked for them speaking on the radio,
Speaker 10: they would have taken away, you.
Speaker 8: Know, any form of communication they got could have had.
Speaker 8: And it's as you know, as wars umbrella.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, as it sits right now. They're trying.
Speaker 3: The trustees are supposed to be going through with liquidating
Speaker 3: his assets to help offset the the UH.
Speaker 2: Lawsuit total.
Speaker 3: So that's his network, his studios, his name, the info
Speaker 3: War site, everything supposedly, and I forget how much they
Speaker 3: say it would pay off.
Speaker 2: Of the billion. It wasn't a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was a lot, but it wasn't
Speaker 3: compared to the totals some of the settlement or the judgment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just for context, Alex Jones combined penalties are supposed
Speaker 1: to be about one and a half billion altogether, and
Speaker 1: just Purdue Pharma in the opioid crisis, just Purdue, the Sacklers.
Speaker 1: The estimate is about seven point four billion that they're
Speaker 1: supposed to pay.
Speaker 2: So you know with a B billion.
Speaker 1: B all these numbers are billions one and a half billion,
Speaker 1: seven point four billion bats B as in boy, Yes.
Speaker 2: I've read something not long ago.
Speaker 3: Somebody is going back into court to try to hold
Speaker 3: the sacklers also financially responsible, not just Purdue Pharma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. Well, I've got a few other callers
Speaker 1: that have now popped up, so I'd like to get
Speaker 1: to them real quick if we can, and try and
Speaker 1: get around everybody. I put Chris on hold because he
Speaker 1: was feeding back initially, but we have these other callers,
Speaker 1: so before we stray down that rabbit trail, let's grab
Speaker 1: everybody else and see what's up. Six one seven area code. Yes,
Speaker 1: Chris Craves, how are you doing? Hey, Chris?
Speaker 11: Do you guys think that Bill Cooper's family would.
Speaker 7: Ever have any kind of legal case against Alex Jones?
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Including Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 7: Carlson claimed that, you know, ale Alex was the one
Speaker 7: that predicted nine to eleven, and I have on tape
Speaker 7: that Bill Cooper predicted nine to eleven, like in June
Speaker 7: of two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: Do you think that I don't know if it's a
Speaker 4: legal basis.
Speaker 1: Or I really don't know, Like I don't know.
Speaker 7: I'm what do you guys think.
Speaker 1: Well to go after like say, sue Alex Jones, I
Speaker 1: mean you got to present some sort of bill of damages? Right,
Speaker 1: So what is the damage that Jones did to Cooper? Exactly?
Speaker 1: Outside of what calling him a drunk and you know,
Speaker 1: stealing some of his ideas that were broadcast. What would
Speaker 1: be the damage exactly? Would you say that you know,
Speaker 1: he profited off of intellectual property theft or you know,
Speaker 1: is it slandering the guy and his legacy? What is
Speaker 1: the damage? Right? It's always the question with a lawsuit
Speaker 1: like that, what damages can you present? And then you
Speaker 1: gotta quantify them and put a dollar amount on them,
Speaker 1: don't you? So you know that process seems a little hard.
Speaker 1: What would be the basis for the Bill Cooper thing?
Speaker 6: No, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 12: I'm just I'll be honest. I'm just a big Bill
Speaker 12: Cooper fam and I think you're right. Just a quick
Speaker 12: question really wouldn't be a basis? Yeah, I mean and
Speaker 12: fair enough.
Speaker 1: I mean I talked about doing cartoon versions of you know,
Speaker 1: al media people and you know, creating cartoon podcasts years
Speaker 1: before these AI pop It's came out, and now people
Speaker 1: have you know, dogs doing their podcast, you know, voicing
Speaker 1: a dog puppet basically through AI doing their podcast. There's
Speaker 1: cartoons of Alex Jones with a tinfoil hat on, you know,
Speaker 1: saying that he's full of crap, and interviewing people and
Speaker 1: stuff like, basically doing the same thing that I was
Speaker 1: talking about doing, except my initial technology I saw was
Speaker 1: fish in a tank and we could all be fishing
Speaker 1: a tank with headphones and you know, microphones, and everybody's
Speaker 1: fish could kind of resemble the person. And people are
Speaker 1: basically doing that idea a hundred different ways right now,
Speaker 1: online and making a bank through shorts and all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff out there. The matter of fact, there's even
Speaker 1: Puppet Regime, which is a bunch of muppet looking puppets
Speaker 1: of like Vladimir Putin, Donald Trump, President g and they've
Speaker 1: taken it a step further. There's a podcast running in
Speaker 1: Puppet Regime, My Totalitarian Life, which is co hosted by
Speaker 1: Jijing Ping and Vladimir Putin, right, and they talk about,
Speaker 1: you know, the life of a dictator. You know, well,
Speaker 1: of course, Ladimir, you always fix things by throwing people
Speaker 1: out a window because you're old school, you know, stuff
Speaker 1: like that going on, and you know.
Speaker 4: No, I think you're right now.
Speaker 7: I'm just going on, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Just knee jerk reaction, which.
Speaker 1: I got you, but I don't need no no, no,
Speaker 1: no problem. But you know, again there's this concept of okay,
Speaker 1: so they're entertainers too. That's the other thing that they
Speaker 1: always go to defense. Right, I'm an entertainer. I'm not
Speaker 1: a school teacher, and so therefore I do my thing
Speaker 1: for entertainment, and that way I'm not really responsible because entertainers,
Speaker 1: you know, display all kinds of things that are not
Speaker 1: necessarily real world and if somebody takes it seriously, well
Speaker 1: that's their fault. Right. That's the last line of defense,
Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of things when people come at him,
Speaker 1: and are they right or wrong, I'm not even judging,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's what happens. But Alex Jones, there's
Speaker 1: one hundred things that he's done to people intentionally, directly
Speaker 1: sabotaged people's projects who you know, split away from him
Speaker 1: over time, and nobody's been able to successfully sue him.
Speaker 1: Over that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, and it's hilarious,
Speaker 1: you know again, because he's blessed now he's got you know,
Speaker 1: the dual thing. Even if they take away his name
Speaker 1: and he becomes broadcaster X and has to rename himself
Speaker 1: on air, you know, he'll still be Alex Jones, which
Speaker 1: is at the center of the Info Wars universe, which
Speaker 1: used to also have at the center something called prison Planet,
Speaker 1: but that's privately gone now, you know, quietly disappeared too,
Speaker 1: isn't it right because that actually belonged to an English
Speaker 1: guy before he joined and forces with Alex Jones.
Speaker 2: And I did not know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny because even the guys from like
Speaker 1: we are.
Speaker 7: Changing back on the way back machining and get the articles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. And the other funny thing is like
Speaker 1: like people who are like still carrying the we are
Speaker 1: changed name and stuff like that are like out there going, Hey,
Speaker 1: I worked with Alex Jones, and yeah, Alex is difficult
Speaker 1: to work with. And I don't want to take sides
Speaker 1: because I respect Alex Jones, you know, even though this
Speaker 1: guy was directly screwed over by him and cheated and
Speaker 1: everything else. Most people won't even challenge them, even if
Speaker 1: they've been abused in their you know, media pursuits by
Speaker 1: the guy. So it is what it is. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: It's it's fascinating to be in a privileged position. And
Speaker 1: I think somehow or other he'll be able to absorb
Speaker 1: and pay off that, you know, even if they make
Speaker 1: him pay one and a half billion dollars, which on appeal,
Speaker 1: he probably won't even pay the whole thing. And they
Speaker 1: are going through the process of appealing and everything else.
Speaker 1: And there was that weird incident where the Onion took
Speaker 1: over the info Wars website for like a week and
Speaker 1: they put up Onion stories and Onion front page. But
Speaker 1: if you clicked on the product links for you know,
Speaker 1: support us, you were still sending money to Alex Jones,
Speaker 1: even when the Onion allegedly had control of it. So,
Speaker 1: you know, tell me what's what Really, they weren't selling
Speaker 1: Onion T shirts on there. They were still selling doctor
Speaker 1: Jones supplements, his father's shell company, you know, because his
Speaker 1: father's a dentist, so technically he's doctor Jones.
Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 7: His father was a dentist and like his cousins were
Speaker 7: all in the.
Speaker 13: CIA and everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. He's made a lot of claims
Speaker 1: that his family came over on you know, the original
Speaker 1: I don't know, the Pint to the Maria or the
Speaker 1: Santa Maria or whatever. The he was one of the first,
Speaker 1: you know, the settlers on a ship in America. His
Speaker 1: family was. I don't know. I don't even know. I
Speaker 1: have no basis to challenge it. I'm just saying that
Speaker 1: it's pretty wild stories. And his father, who's a retired dentist,
Speaker 1: has a whole health supplement company, you know, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: just saying that's what is and no judgment there. I
Speaker 1: would set up my family if I had a big,
Speaker 1: extensive business and I could do something like, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: let's set up a shell company and let my kids
Speaker 1: become health supplement salespeople, because you know that's worth multiple
Speaker 1: millions a year. Why not. I gave them a job
Speaker 1: a company and everything, boom, there you go, gift kids.
Speaker 1: Why not? And his son works for Info Wars now
Speaker 1: Rex Jones. You know, he's got his head shaved and
Speaker 1: he's a bulky looking dude like his dad. Clearly that's
Speaker 1: his dad, and you know. Just side note, Rex is
Speaker 1: the Latin word for king. But so king John.
Speaker 2: Wonders what his divorced settlement cost.
Speaker 1: Well, that's not entirely known, but I'll tell you his
Speaker 1: ex wife is still out there kind of bitching to
Speaker 1: some people who will have her as a guest. You know,
Speaker 1: if you'll think, I think she wants to be paid
Speaker 1: to be a guest now, but his ex wife is
Speaker 1: out there available. Yeah, yeah, she's one of those guests
Speaker 1: you got to pay for. There's a bunch of guests
Speaker 1: in the podcast universe that if you pay them, they
Speaker 1: will come, and she's one of them. I think that's
Speaker 1: that's the message I got anyway when I asked the interviewer.
Speaker 1: But anyhow, you know, and who knows, maybe maybe charge well,
Speaker 1: because I won't entertain that at all. I didn't ask.
Speaker 1: I know what RFK Junior used to charge. I know
Speaker 1: that because I got that figure right up front, you know.
Speaker 1: And I could have him appear somewhere if I, you know,
Speaker 1: paid for his travel and gave him twenty five grand,
Speaker 1: he'd show up anywhere. And John Barbara had the same experience.
Speaker 1: He was shocked. You know. I wanted you to talk
Speaker 1: about your father's assassination in public freely and he went, yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty five grand. You know, what can I do? People
Speaker 1: want to charge for their time. Time is money, but
Speaker 1: I'm not I can't participate in it. One but two,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I don't want to pay guests. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's right. Uh, no, Chuck, I.
Speaker 4: Have to raise his questions. So I appreciate you taking
Speaker 4: my call.
Speaker 1: No, no problem, Chris. And you know, I really hope
Speaker 1: that things will work out for you better in the future.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure where I'm going to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, but I'm struggling to hang on here as
Speaker 1: best I can. And who knows. You know. I hope
Speaker 1: that by the time you get your feet on the
Speaker 1: ground that I'll still be able to talk to you,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. So you know, stick around. I'll
Speaker 1: try and get you back. I'll try and get you
Speaker 1: back on the line. Uh. If you hang around. And
Speaker 1: I know we got guess who, Jimmy James, And I
Speaker 1: know he's been waiting a bit and I want to
Speaker 1: give him some time. What time is it, by the way,
Speaker 1: let's double check our clock. Oh, we got to about
Speaker 1: a half hour left before Aaron goes live. So, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind this week?
Speaker 2: Well you sound great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's me and Jimmy coughing at the same time. Anyway,
Speaker 1: go Jimmy, h.
Speaker 3: I had a.
Speaker 4: Couple that's on those shows you were mentioning them earlier.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 4: But first, it's.
Speaker 13: It's interesting Chris very because he said that sint quote
Speaker 13: that you did, and I.
Speaker 11: Send him a link that showed the original Chris who
Speaker 11: said it.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well okay, so.
Speaker 11: It really easy for me to find, which was really
Speaker 11: easy for me to find last.
Speaker 13: Time, Like I googled it and the pop right up
Speaker 13: Goebels and then I showed that.
Speaker 14: But now when I do.
Speaker 13: Google checks just about anything except that show, it's up.
Speaker 15: I'm wondering if.
Speaker 4: Chris Graves remembers said, Chris.
Speaker 13: Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what I'll do where you you Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'll do is I'll let everybody loose
Speaker 1: on the line at some point. But let me explain
Speaker 1: to somebody who might be just tuning into the show.
Speaker 1: I put up the the William Casey often let me
Speaker 1: put I'm gonna you on hold. Jimmy just because you're
Speaker 1: echoing back a little bit. But anyway, I'll put you
Speaker 1: right back on and just you in a minute. The
Speaker 1: William Casey quote that you know, we will have succeeded
Speaker 1: with our propaganda I'm sub I'm paraphrasing here, we'll have
Speaker 1: succeeded with our propaganda program when everything the American public
Speaker 1: believes is fake. That idea, that quote that's been out
Speaker 1: there attributed to you know, the head of the CIA,
Speaker 1: William Casey, well, a lot of people have quoted that.
Speaker 1: It's on many academic websites, et cetera, et cetera. But
Speaker 1: the truth is that that quote is not one hundred
Speaker 1: percent verifiable from the source. And Jimmy pointed that out
Speaker 1: because I used it in my show notes and I
Speaker 1: deleted it because he's right, it's not one hundred percent verifiable. However,
Speaker 1: there are various chains and claims on it that say
Speaker 1: that it is verifiable, and there are people that attributed
Speaker 1: it to Gebels, And quite honestly, I can't find that
Speaker 1: fully attributable to Gebels. I can't find that one hundred
Speaker 1: percent attributable to anybody. There are many quotes out there
Speaker 1: like that where it seems right, sounds right, and goes
Speaker 1: along with what people think, but we don't have an
Speaker 1: absolute certainty that this person wrote it or said it.
Speaker 1: So I just removed it and said, you know what,
Speaker 1: it's you know, questionable. It can be challenged. And if
Speaker 1: it were in an academic paper and I cited my source,
Speaker 1: even somebody might say my source is no good. And
Speaker 1: even given the fact that Barbara Honeager, who was in
Speaker 1: the Reagan administration, verified that Casey had said it because
Speaker 1: she was present when he said it, she says, and
Speaker 1: there was a reporter that reported it but didn't attribute
Speaker 1: it to Casey at the time. And these things are all,
Speaker 1: you know, connected, It's still a chain of hearsay. It's
Speaker 1: not the primary source putting out the quote. And even
Speaker 1: in the case of Gebels, you can't really find it. Now.
Speaker 1: People have made assertions and they've gotten to the top
Speaker 1: of the Google searches at different times, and assertions that
Speaker 1: it's true, assertions that it's false have been equally entertained
Speaker 1: over the course of time. So quite honestly, I can't
Speaker 1: definitively say that, you know, Bill Colby said this, So
Speaker 1: I removed it. That was going on at like four
Speaker 1: o'clock this morning with Jimmy, by the way, and I
Speaker 1: had trouble reading his initial email because I couldn't see it,
Speaker 1: and there was a little bit of an exchange about
Speaker 1: that it was blank when I looked at it. I
Speaker 1: showed him a screenshot of what I was looking at.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's just translation and problems and things
Speaker 1: like and this is what happens in the Internet age,
Speaker 1: by the way, is no matter what I mean, I
Speaker 1: saw a thing, you know how people have always said
Speaker 1: Hitler like dogs. There's people challenging that Hitler was a vegetarian.
Speaker 1: People have challenged that his doctors literally put into his diet,
Speaker 1: you know, animal products, so he couldn't have been a vegetarian.
Speaker 1: All kinds of stuff out there that people think is
Speaker 1: rock solid and has existed and is provable and has
Speaker 1: been proven. A lot of times you dig into it
Speaker 1: and the basis for it is not good or it's
Speaker 1: you know, attributed to the wrong person. Like there's a
Speaker 1: ton of what do you call it? Mark Twain quotes
Speaker 1: out there that nobody can find a source or an
Speaker 1: instance or recording or writing, but they attribute it to him.
Speaker 1: For good and bad reasons people do this. What can
Speaker 1: I say, even that quote that was attributed to a
Speaker 1: president who says, you know, oh, through inflation and deflation
Speaker 1: and this and that, and people point out he's using
Speaker 1: terms that weren't applicable at the time and had not
Speaker 1: been used at the time. You know, they didn't talk
Speaker 1: about inflation in our economy at that time, and supposedly,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the founding fathers said this. There's
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff like this out there. So you know,
Speaker 1: we live in an age where, guess what, whether Colby
Speaker 1: said it or not, there is a standpoint about what
Speaker 1: is fake and what is not in the information sphere
Speaker 1: in general, and you can challenge, whether legitimately or not,
Speaker 1: or not challenge anything. So that's where I'm at with it.
Speaker 1: But I removed the Casey quote because I couldn't definitively
Speaker 1: prove he said it. So I agreed with Jimmy, yeah,
Speaker 1: that should be removed bank gun, And I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to attribute it to somebody else because there was all
Speaker 1: kinds of controversy about whether it was his, Gebels whoever's,
Speaker 1: And just because it's not at the top of your
Speaker 1: Google search, doesn't mean, it's not real either, Jimmy. But
Speaker 1: you know, then again, here we go. So you do
Speaker 1: the best you can, and I've done the best I
Speaker 1: can to give you, know, best information where I can.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Casey quote, maybe he never said it
Speaker 1: at all? Anyways, did Jimmy. I want to give you
Speaker 1: another say about anything else, and then I'll turn everything loose.
Speaker 1: If you want to talk to Chris or whoever's on
Speaker 1: the line, I think we should take a quick break
Speaker 1: and then do that. But first I want to give
Speaker 1: you the last word for this segment.
Speaker 16: Yeah, mostly I was gonna.
Speaker 13: I heard you talk to them earlier about Better Call Saul.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 11: I found that interesting because I've never actually seen the
Speaker 11: show or the other show what was the breakinking?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 13: Spin off?
Speaker 6: Is that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Better Call sauls and spin Off and Breaking Bad? Good? Right?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 11: And I heard you guys talk about how there's kind
Speaker 11: of like a humor.
Speaker 1: To Yeah, mostly I said that, but you said right, well,
Speaker 1: I said that, yeah, but good.
Speaker 15: Well that makes.
Speaker 11: Sense, and like you said that, the lawyer's names mister
Speaker 11: Goodman see that.
Speaker 13: Well, I don't know these shows, but I know Bob.
Speaker 17: Odenkirk and uh he's of course well known comedic writer,
Speaker 17: is how he started.
Speaker 11: And I can't help but to wonder if he's hating
Speaker 11: some influence.
Speaker 15: On the writing, because you know, naming.
Speaker 13: The lawyer good Man, that's a class I guess and
Speaker 13: out trick.
Speaker 17: You always name your characters exactly.
Speaker 6: What they are.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not just it's not.
Speaker 13: Just sample like Cone has.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not just, but it's not just good Man,
Speaker 1: right good Man, but literally Saul good Man, like as in,
Speaker 1: it's all good Man, you get it, saw Goodman, saw
Speaker 1: good Man. Yeah, so that's hilarious. That's like a whole
Speaker 1: phrase built into name saying.
Speaker 18: To me, it sounds like it's almost got I almost.
Speaker 18: My understanding was that he was pretty much highed as
Speaker 18: a street actor in the show.
Speaker 11: But I'm guessing he has to have something to do
Speaker 11: with the writing due to the comedic I mean, uh,
Speaker 11: that's his style. It's kind of dry in the background.
Speaker 2: It's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 17: It's there, but it's normally in your face, and it's
Speaker 17: just a funny.
Speaker 15: Story about Bob olden Kirk.
Speaker 13: Of course, he started out as a Saturday night live writer.
Speaker 15: And he had he was always pushing this sketch that
Speaker 15: he can never get.
Speaker 13: On, and he ended up getting fired or whatever. Then
Speaker 13: he went on to other things, and then one week
Speaker 13: they just couldn't come up with a sketch.
Speaker 15: They needed a sketch.
Speaker 14: So they and they said, oh, let's use that crazy
Speaker 14: old sketch Bob Odenkirk wrote. And of course the sketch
Speaker 14: he wrote was banned out by the River Motivational Speaker's
Speaker 14: considered now probably the best sketch on SNL probably ever.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you were to vote at it, legendary
Speaker 1: Chris Farley doing that, right.
Speaker 19: Yeah, Oh, there's no doubt that he that was a
Speaker 19: big part of his commitment.
Speaker 13: I mean, he's so absurd, right.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Jimmy, I'm putting you on hold just for now.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a very quick break and try and
Speaker 1: come back with say, like the last fifteen minutes of
Speaker 1: the show, beat Pete and I'm thinking about letting everybody
Speaker 1: cut loose and talk to each other. What do you think, Well,
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Speaker 1: Hey, be Pete, and I are back my voice barely,
Speaker 1: but hey, I drank a little tea, so maybe I
Speaker 1: got a little strength for the last few minutes. Be Pete,
Speaker 1: anything quickly you want to throw in before I open
Speaker 1: up all the lines and just let everybody talk to
Speaker 1: everybody else. What do you say, Yeah, that's fine, going alright,
Speaker 1: let's do it so in no particular order. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: open up all the lines, and I may mute you
Speaker 1: if you start feeding back, so that's all, and i'll
Speaker 1: unmute when you're not feeding back and do the best
Speaker 1: we can here. So there you go. Everybody's live. Chris, Jimmy, Danny,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and Jimmy James. So, Jimmy, you had a question.
Speaker 1: Prepare sorry, Jimmy question.
Speaker 4: Chris Graves on the line.
Speaker 1: Okay, Danny has a question for Chris. Go ahead.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hey, hey, Chris, I think you would be really
Speaker 4: good about it if if you ever talk, you know,
Speaker 4: thought about doing.
Speaker 6: This idea for you.
Speaker 4: I've listened to your knowledge of especially of movies.
Speaker 6: And the genre of horror, you know, one of.
Speaker 4: My favorite TV shows of all time, and I've listened
Speaker 4: to podcasts and I think they're absolutely horrific.
Speaker 6: Is X Files you ever.
Speaker 4: Considered doing anything on the X File series because the
Speaker 4: the podcasts and they're they're absolutely they're awful.
Speaker 16: I have, Yeah, I have.
Speaker 27: Right now, I'm current, Like I uh, I say, right now,
Speaker 27: I'm pretty much homeless at the moment, but I definitely
Speaker 27: have a lot of opinions on the X Files.
Speaker 4: And throughout the years.
Speaker 7: I found out that probably a lot of people here
Speaker 7: already know this, but the CIA pretty much had the
Speaker 7: run of the mill when it came to the writer's
Speaker 7: room of Chris Carter's X Files team, including you know,
Speaker 7: the lone Gunmen, which had the the long Gunman pilot.
Speaker 7: Pretty much, I don't want to say nearer is nine
Speaker 7: to eleven, but it pretty much has a lot to.
Speaker 4: Do with.
Speaker 7: Flying planes, remote controlled planes into the World Trade Center
Speaker 7: to escalate a war with the Middle East. I mean,
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot there.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's just like maybe it's not.
Speaker 7: Quite that, maybe it's more of my imagination or whatever,
Speaker 7: but I can't I honestly think there's something to that.
Speaker 7: And yes, I looked into the X Files. I just
Speaker 7: I really don't have the capability right now in terms
Speaker 7: of technology and like a budget and get into it more.
Speaker 7: And I know where you're coming from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Danny, there was a guy out there who used
Speaker 1: to do something called the CIA in Hollywood, I think,
Speaker 1: and he was connected to somebody who I was working with.
Speaker 1: I think Pierce Redmond used to work with him. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It was Tom Secker. Tom Secker, that's what
Speaker 1: his name was. Yeah, he was out there. Oh, Chris
Speaker 1: from Florida might have hung up. I only muted you,
Speaker 1: Chris because you were echoing badly. Sorry, I was going
Speaker 1: to put you back on, but for me or I
Speaker 1: was from Florid. Chris from Florida.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'll mute myself.
Speaker 1: No, not you. It was Chris from Florida was echoing
Speaker 1: really bad, so yeah, so I muted him temporarily. I
Speaker 1: was going to put him back on, but he hung up,
Speaker 1: so I was just letting him know. I didn't mean
Speaker 1: to leave you on hold. I was just going to
Speaker 1: put you back on so he could speak. But while
Speaker 1: other people were speaking, you were echoing, so I just
Speaker 1: muted it in case people didn't know. Anyways. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Tom Secker, I think, used to do the CIA in
Speaker 1: Hollywood and talk about, you know, the military advisors, the
Speaker 1: intelligence advisors to TV shows and movies. I think maybe
Speaker 1: I'm speaking out of turn here because I don't remember
Speaker 1: listening to much of it, but I think he used
Speaker 1: to work with Pierce Redman. Maybe somebody else remembers better
Speaker 1: than me, but I'm pretty sure that was Tom Secker
Speaker 1: if we look him up, Okay, we'll chuck uh uh.
Speaker 4: Name.
Speaker 7: Mcgallen went into a lot of that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, I mentioned Yeah. I mentioned David Gallen
Speaker 1: earlier too, when people were talking about the connections of
Speaker 1: musicians in Los Angeles and the sixties and all that.
Speaker 1: I said, well, of course, you know.
Speaker 7: But it went beyond that, It went into like production
Speaker 7: and films.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But I just mentioned him in the context of the
Speaker 1: musician connections and all that because McGowan was the first
Speaker 1: guy I remember doing a ton of work on that. Uh.
Speaker 1: And that was many years ago. Of course, Davis Gone.
Speaker 1: I just mentioned him because it was brought up independently
Speaker 1: about you know, music and the weird connections and you know,
Speaker 1: people all hanging out together in Cali. Uh. And I said, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know the Scenes Inside the Canyon book. I have
Speaker 1: the title butchered there, but nonetheless Dave McGowan had done
Speaker 1: that work.
Speaker 4: Scenes inside the Canyon.
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, Uh, they always saw I bring that up.
Speaker 7: Is because even people like Joe Rogan are bringing him
Speaker 7: up and they they get the title.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well for me, I mean, it's just it's not
Speaker 1: at the top of my head right now. But I mean,
Speaker 1: h McGowan. You know, McGowan wrote some interesting stuff. I
Speaker 1: respect the work of Dave McGowan, I always have.
Speaker 26: Uh.
Speaker 1: And you know, it was unfortunate that I couldn't facilitate
Speaker 1: some work with him. I wanted to and couldn't get
Speaker 1: it done when he was alive, but he was also
Speaker 1: very sick by then. So you chuck, chuck.
Speaker 7: While I have you on the line, can I answer
Speaker 7: Jimmy James this question from the for.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, I wanted you to good.
Speaker 7: Okay, Jimmy James, you were talking about Bill Casey, uh
Speaker 7: with the CIA. I don't know the exact quote, but
Speaker 7: I believe Bill Casey was the former CIA director that
Speaker 7: was found in a canoe with his food still like
Speaker 7: hot on the sofa, and I believe he talked to
Speaker 7: John DeCamp of the Franklin Scandal. John the Camp wrote
Speaker 7: the book on the Franklin Scandal. And uh, I don't
Speaker 7: want to I don't even want to paraphrase it, but
Speaker 7: I believe John de Camp was told by Bill Casey
Speaker 7: that anything that you thought horrible in terms of you know,
Speaker 7: child abuse or whatever, in terms of a blackmail, basically
Speaker 7: anything you couldn't imagine.
Speaker 4: Would be it would be the case in terms of.
Speaker 7: A blackmail. And uh, Bill Casey I believe was found
Speaker 7: in a canoe, uh far away from his dinner that
Speaker 7: was still like in a cabin.
Speaker 4: It was still or whatever.
Speaker 3: He was found on the water they found, but he
Speaker 3: didn't have his life jacket on and they found him
Speaker 3: in another location.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But okay, so you know what I'm talking about, Pete, Okay,
Speaker 7: all right, Yeah, but about that quote, That's all I
Speaker 7: wanted to say.
Speaker 1: That quote that's often cited is is what was an
Speaker 1: issue when uh and and I think he said that
Speaker 1: you had used it before too, about you know everything
Speaker 1: that you know, we'll know we succeeded when everything you
Speaker 1: know I'm paraphrasing too. Now, we'll know we succeeded when
Speaker 1: everything the American public believes is fake or whatever. That's
Speaker 1: got a weird lineage. Yeah, goes all the way back
Speaker 1: to May Brussell reporting the quote. A journalist at the
Speaker 1: Washington Post reporting the quote at the time but not
Speaker 1: attributing it to anybody, Barbara Honeger, who was in the
Speaker 1: administration at the time, said he said it.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: I don't always trust eyewitness testimony, obviously, because it's one
Speaker 1: of the least reliable pieces of evidence you can get
Speaker 1: your hands on most of the time. But Barbara Honiger
Speaker 1: said it that that was Bill Casey who said it.
Speaker 1: That's one line you can trace for that quote. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's not a absolute, historically verifiable
Speaker 1: fact because we don't have us from the primary source
Speaker 1: him writing it, or recording of him saying it, or
Speaker 1: you know, various witnesses at the time stating that the
Speaker 1: guy said it. We don't have that. So, you know,
Speaker 1: just like I said, many quotes have been attributed to
Speaker 1: historical figures that are impossible. They're using terminology that didn't exist.
Speaker 1: They're they're saying things that there's no record of them saying. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, positive and negative. They're across the board. So
Speaker 1: I removed it from my show. Notes. That's what it
Speaker 1: was that went on between me and Jimmy James at
Speaker 1: four in the morning. But he brought you up, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: what exactly you brought up because Chris had used that
Speaker 1: quote or whatever in a previous presentation. Is that what
Speaker 1: it was?
Speaker 13: I think we were just having a discussion in the chat.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, you Look what it.
Speaker 11: Might be is what happens a lot of times, or
Speaker 11: sometimes people don't pay attention. A lot of times people
Speaker 11: are quoting other people and they missed that part and
Speaker 11: then could contribute it attribute it to the person they hear.
Speaker 11: It's like all these damned fools that actually believed that
Speaker 11: Goldwater came up on his own.
Speaker 13: The expression.
Speaker 28: Was extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice,
Speaker 28: and moderation the pursuit of liberty is no virtue.
Speaker 13: And everyone said.
Speaker 15: Look, look, Cold Waters, he likes extremists and extremists. He
Speaker 15: was quoting Cicero from thousands of years ago. And they
Speaker 15: purposely let let that out, didn't report that because they well,
Speaker 15: they had their narrative. They wanted to take gold Water
Speaker 15: and this way instead of properly attributing the.
Speaker 1: Quote fair enough, Like I said, there are historical standards
Speaker 1: to applying a quote, and I did not follow them,
Speaker 1: so I removed it from my show notes. But I'm
Speaker 1: not the only one who's done this. You know. You
Speaker 1: go to the NAACP website right now. You can find
Speaker 1: that quote on a page, you know, which is titled
Speaker 1: let's see the spread of disinformation and how we respond
Speaker 1: at the NUBAC website. NUBACP website. Excuse me, they attribute
Speaker 1: this to William Casey in nineteen eighty one, will know
Speaker 1: our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public
Speaker 1: believes is fake. That's what it says. They are on
Speaker 1: their website. There are many people who have quoted this,
Speaker 1: but the truth is there is not a verifiable, historically
Speaker 1: sound source entirely for Casey's saying it. That's the whole
Speaker 1: Can I say this, Yeah, go ahead, I say this.
Speaker 7: That quote gets attributed to Bill Casey from the mid
Speaker 7: nineteen nineties for websites like disinfo dot com.
Speaker 1: Well there you go a lot of.
Speaker 7: These conspiracy sites that were like the wild Wests at
Speaker 7: the beginning of the Internet, and I that's where I.
Speaker 9: Got it from.
Speaker 1: Was he in pre Internet? You know? Like I said,
Speaker 1: May Brussell reported on this quote, and you know was
Speaker 1: reporting on it, and so did The Washington Post reporter
Speaker 1: said it was said at a meeting with the Reagan cabinet,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, That's where the Barbara Honeger
Speaker 1: thing comes in, where she was present and says he said,
Speaker 1: But again, that's not enough to state that this is
Speaker 1: absolute fact. But there you go. I'm not the only
Speaker 1: one making that mistake, and that is a mistake if
Speaker 1: you're looking for absolute historical efficacy, you know. On the
Speaker 1: other hand, one could say, did William Casey believe this?
Speaker 1: I mean It's like that Rockefeller quote supposedly at a
Speaker 1: Builderberg meeting that he supposedly made right. People used that
Speaker 1: for years and years and they don't necessarily have a
Speaker 1: primary source for it. So anyway, look, we're overtime and
Speaker 1: Aaron Franz is supposed to get started, So I want
Speaker 1: to give everybody who's on the line a chance to
Speaker 1: throw in their final something. Go for it, beginning with
Speaker 1: let's see well Danny from California first, So go ahead.
Speaker 6: Danny, okay, quickly.
Speaker 4: It was interesting you brought up Barbara Honoker. I was
Speaker 4: just gonna stareing right here at my library and I
Speaker 4: have a book by her, October Surprise, which I have
Speaker 4: never read. It's just been sitting there because I've been
Speaker 4: reading other stuff.
Speaker 6: I go to.
Speaker 4: So maybe he's maybe in the not so just in
Speaker 4: future I might read it and see if I can
Speaker 4: get that quote. But thank everybody, thanks for let me
Speaker 4: uh join in. I appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Everybody have a great evening, and may there.
Speaker 4: Be peace in the world.
Speaker 1: There you go, Thank you, Danny, and thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us this week. So Chris, your final word for
Speaker 1: the week.
Speaker 7: Just got to Chuck o'chelly the o'celly effect and my
Speaker 7: good friend Jimmy James, and thank you for having me
Speaker 7: on the call.
Speaker 1: Thank you well, appreciate that, Chris, appreciate you for joining.
Speaker 1: And I do have a feeling that very soon you'll
Speaker 1: be in a better position, and I do truly hope
Speaker 1: that you will appreciate you and hopefully you'll get back
Speaker 1: out there and do work again, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: be in a better place very very soon, I hope.
Speaker 1: And you and I talked about that privately, and we'll
Speaker 1: leave it at that. You know, I wish I could
Speaker 1: help you myself. Indeed. Anyways, Jimmy Jay Sames, you got
Speaker 1: the final word among callers.
Speaker 6: And I had a good one already, forgot it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry about that. Any any kind of just
Speaker 1: general of parting the shot go ahead.
Speaker 16: Oh man, Yeah, it's a good show.
Speaker 14: Everyone, good one.
Speaker 16: Of a good weekend.
Speaker 1: And Pete there you go. Appreciate you, Jimmy, thank you
Speaker 1: be Pete. Go ahead and close this out and I'll
Speaker 1: play the outro and be done because I'm done talking
Speaker 1: for sure. And Aaron Franz is up next with the
Speaker 1: Age of Transitions here on Achelly dot Com.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad to do it another week thanks to
Speaker 3: well Danny and Jimmy and Chris and Chris were calling
Speaker 3: in and we will catch everybody next week.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and once again I want to thank everybody who's
Speaker 1: allowed us to continue and participate. I got to pay
Speaker 1: the streaming bill this week, and we'll keep the live
Speaker 1: thing going as long as it is possible and as
Speaker 1: long as I can still talk, that'll help too. But nonetheless,
Speaker 1: like I said, Aaron Franz is up next with the
Speaker 1: Age of Transitions here on the Live O'Kelly Effect. But
Speaker 1: if you're hearing the podcast, you don't care because it's over.
Speaker 1: I'm merely O'Kelly. All of you are the effect and
Speaker 1: this is not my sexy voice. Good Night,