Speaker 1: It's time to get back down to the business of
Speaker 1: the NFL offseason, and of course we like to invite
Speaker 1: all of our friends back into the show this time
Speaker 1: of year to talk not only NFL Draft, combine sort
Speaker 1: of takeaways which just happened this weekend, and then what
Speaker 1: I think has been one of the busiest pre tampering
Speaker 1: period free agent trade weeks that I can remember with
Speaker 1: some big time names. Well, here he is the guy
Speaker 1: from Fantasy Points, the owner and everything that's Fantasy Points
Speaker 1: is Joe Dolan, one of the best in the business. Joe,
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the program, Bud. How you been doing.
Speaker 2: Great, guys, Glad to be Glad to be with you.
Speaker 2: I needed some positive interaction here because I had the
Speaker 2: plumber out today and he told me that the shower
Speaker 2: in my master bathroom was installed terribly and now there's
Speaker 2: a hole in my ceiling and they probably need to
Speaker 2: tear out my master my master shower.
Speaker 1: So going, I.
Speaker 2: Wish I was. I wish I was an NFL free
Speaker 2: agent getting the seven figure payday that's not coming anytime soon.
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm about it a lot.
Speaker 1: Jerry Joneson's thoughts and prayers and condolences as he's always
Speaker 1: thinking about it. The shower Joe Dolan, aside from having
Speaker 1: some plumbing issues, you can find him at Fantasy points
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Speaker 1: the uh the the ass index. I believe it is
Speaker 1: average separation in terms of receivers and much much more.
Speaker 1: You guys do a hell of a job here we go.
Speaker 1: Something that is not ass is this free agent market.
Speaker 1: There are some big names, especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: the storylines. Now, the players on the quarterback side may
Speaker 1: not measure up in terms of what they can do.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start first and foremost with the guy that
Speaker 1: we all talk about all the time, Aaron Rodgers. Love
Speaker 1: him or hate him. He's gonna play again this year,
Speaker 1: we think, and I'm starting to sense that it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the Giants. Do you agree or do you see
Speaker 1: another path? I don't know, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna tell you why. It's because I think the Giants.
Speaker 2: If I were to make a guess right now, I
Speaker 2: don't think John mara is going to let Joe Shane
Speaker 2: and Brian Davile put a band aid on this. And
Speaker 2: what do they say? A band aid for a bullet wound.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's I don't think he's gonna let
Speaker 2: him do that, going to try to go in and
Speaker 2: do surgery, and that will be I think they're going
Speaker 2: to trade up with cam Moore, who I think is overwhelmingly,
Speaker 2: based on what I'm hearing, what I've seen, who I've
Speaker 2: talked to, overwhelmingly going to be the number one quarterback
Speaker 2: off the board. I don't think it's going to be
Speaker 2: close at this point, and I think that's what the
Speaker 2: Giants are going to do now. That begs another question
Speaker 2: which we've seen in the past with some other teams,
Speaker 2: most most recently the Chicago Bears. Why would you bring
Speaker 2: back your head coach if you're just going to draft
Speaker 2: a quarterback?
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Put it all together. Put it. It didn't work out
Speaker 2: great with with with the Panthers, but there at least
Speaker 2: seem to be on the right rack now. But why
Speaker 2: would you do that? Why would you bring him back
Speaker 2: and say because he has to win games this year.
Speaker 2: If he doesn't win games this year, he's going to
Speaker 2: be fired regardless of how cam Ward plays. So but
Speaker 2: I think that's what the Giants are going to do,
Speaker 2: And honestly, the thing. The thing about with Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 2: is guys, you know, musical chairs, somebody's left standing at
Speaker 2: the end. And when I sort through these spots for
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, I start to wonder, where actually is he
Speaker 2: going to go? But like one of the why would
Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titans sign him? Like why why wouldn't he
Speaker 2: do that? One of the Brown's gonna do have the
Speaker 2: single least popular quarterback room and a history.
Speaker 1: Of the urt like I want to go.
Speaker 2: Like, there's no way they're going to do that. So
Speaker 2: I just kind of feel like Aaron Rodgers might run
Speaker 2: out of places to go and he'll end up on
Speaker 2: a podcast somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, Art Stapleton was on McAfee and
Speaker 1: take it with a grin saw, but he was really
Speaker 1: pushing in the narrative that you know, of the Giants
Speaker 1: and Mara wouldn't mind the McAfee appearances and all that,
Speaker 1: And of course he said it on McAfee show. So
Speaker 1: there you have it. I have no idea where Rogers
Speaker 1: ends up. I do think he can still play small ball,
Speaker 1: sort of like you know Alex Smith did at the
Speaker 1: end of his career, But I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: getting anything that couldn't be an upgrade over maybe one
Speaker 1: of these rookies or even some of the other guys available.
Speaker 1: Speaking which, let's have the Sam Darnold talk. Man. We've
Speaker 1: been talking about Sam since the old Panthers days, and certainly,
Speaker 1: you know he had some good moments in Carolina towards
Speaker 1: the end once Matt Ruhle went back to the college
Speaker 1: world and got the hill out of the way. And
Speaker 1: I'll say this, I'm happy for his progress. I'm happy
Speaker 1: to see the progression. I am highly skeptical, and it's
Speaker 1: not just the last two games. Give me you thoughts
Speaker 1: on taking him out of that environment in Minnesota, putting
Speaker 1: him like a Tennessee or maybe a Las Vegas, and
Speaker 1: that's can he survive that?
Speaker 2: That's a really good question. And I almost wonder if
Speaker 2: it's gonna end up being kind of similar for Sam
Speaker 2: Darnold as it was this year. I think he'll get
Speaker 2: a longer term contract than he did obviously he had
Speaker 2: like the one year deal with the Vikings. I think
Speaker 2: he's probably earned a longer term and at least a
Speaker 2: bigger money contract than that. But I almost wonder if
Speaker 2: he ends up in a place like Vegas. Does that
Speaker 2: preclude Vegas from drafting should Sanders?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: No, especially as shoulder and we're starting to hear buzz
Speaker 2: that he might end up falling to the back end
Speaker 2: of the first round.
Speaker 1: I've heard sixth round, Joe, seventh round. It's crazy season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not going to happen, like maybe back into
Speaker 2: the first round, you know. And do you know what
Speaker 2: that becomes? That becomes trade back season, So that becomes
Speaker 2: like a team like Philadelphia, for instance, at thirty two.
Speaker 2: The last time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, they
Speaker 2: actually traded out of the thirty second pick for a
Speaker 2: team who traded back into the first round for a quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Remember that pick was Lamar Jackson. So Baltimore traded back
Speaker 2: to number thirty two. And I wonder could that happen
Speaker 2: again with another team, like, for instance, the Raiders. That
Speaker 2: means probably the best spot. Like can you imagine if
Speaker 2: Sam Don? How why would Sam Donald go back to
Speaker 2: New York?
Speaker 1: That's the other team.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be the jet but would it
Speaker 2: be the Giants? Like, oh, so, I'm just gonna throw
Speaker 2: myself right back into the Mike Franz novin grinder again.
Speaker 1: No, he went to relatively moderate markets Charlotte and Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: where he was able to blend in and feel comfortable.
Speaker 1: And I think he would tell you that that New
Speaker 1: York the lights were bright, the ghosts were bright, and
Speaker 1: it was time for a change of scenery. And I
Speaker 1: think the Carolina experience down the stretch with Steve Wilkes
Speaker 1: and Ben mca who really helped his confidence because he
Speaker 1: won some big games for this team. He was part
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm proud of him because I covered him.
Speaker 1: He's a good dude and I think he'd be a
Speaker 1: great guy to have alongside of, like a shooter of Sanders.
Speaker 1: They would compliment each other very well. Speaking of Sanders
Speaker 1: and Ward and the host of others, the combine came
Speaker 1: and went. It's the underwear Olympics. You learn things about
Speaker 1: certain players. There is mostly meetings, mostly medicals, and a
Speaker 1: lot of it is just getting to know who these
Speaker 1: people are and if they fit your operation. Some great
Speaker 1: testing numbers, but let's stick to quarterbacks. Where's your board
Speaker 1: right now? Is it Cam and Shoudur and then everybody else?
Speaker 1: Or do you see it differently?
Speaker 2: Mine is mine? Personally is Cam and Shouldar as one
Speaker 2: and two. Those are the two best prospects in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Our guy, our draft guy at Fantasy Points, Brent Whitefield
Speaker 2: love Jackson Dart. He thinks Jackson Dart has first round tape.
Speaker 2: I know people in the industry who actually think Tyler
Speaker 2: Shuck from Louisville obviously we saw them play against Clemson.
Speaker 2: They believe he has good tape, and I think those
Speaker 2: are the clear top four for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: And then, of course the walk part is Jalen Milroe,
Speaker 2: who can run out of the building, can jump out
Speaker 2: of the building, can throw the ball out of the building,
Speaker 2: but doesn't know where it's going. I think Jalen Milroe's
Speaker 2: traits will really appeal to somebody. But guys, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna I'm not going to go against what is the
Speaker 2: conventional wisdom. I don't think it's a great quarterback class
Speaker 2: really go Obviouslyers comes with perceived baggage in that he
Speaker 2: has a he's a cocky confidence.
Speaker 1: Where are you at it? Joe just got me, stop
Speaker 1: you where where are you with that? Damian Parson and
Speaker 1: I talked about this yesterday on the show, and he
Speaker 1: had some strong thoughts on the whole Combine process, and look,
Speaker 1: I don't know Shuldar Sanders personally. I just have a
Speaker 1: hard time believing that that's a liability. Being the son
Speaker 1: of Dion Sanders. I think whatever you say doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Can you play? Are you tough on the field. I
Speaker 1: thought he was one of the most physically tough players
Speaker 1: on tape last year. But absolutely that's I think the tape,
Speaker 1: like the Caleb Williams discussion last year, same sort of
Speaker 1: a smear going on. I feel like it's a bit
Speaker 1: of a smear.
Speaker 2: I do. I would agree with that. Now I have
Speaker 2: heard from people and I want I want you to
Speaker 2: understand this. This is not firsthand that I'm hearing this.
Speaker 2: This is second hand, third hand that I'm hearing this
Speaker 2: noted I have. I haven't talked to one person. I
Speaker 2: haven't talked to anybody who said they've heard Shador had
Speaker 2: a good Combine interview. And now that's from that second hand.
Speaker 2: I didn't talk to any teams that met with him,
Speaker 2: so I have to throw that out there.
Speaker 1: But I do talk to those that want him to
Speaker 1: fall down the board. That's what that is. Right.
Speaker 2: Then there's another thing, that makes me. That makes me
Speaker 2: wonder though you do have this cloud of Dion hanging there,
Speaker 2: and I don't even necessarily think, guys that it's Oh,
Speaker 2: if Shouldar has a bad game, Dion's gonna go on
Speaker 2: video and flap his gums about how the organization is
Speaker 2: letting him down and all this. I think it might
Speaker 2: be a coach like Brian Davil who's like, well, crap,
Speaker 2: if we draft Sugar Sanders and we win five games,
Speaker 2: my ass is grass and they're replacing me, would be gone.
Speaker 1: Woam that angle as well? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I wonder if some coaches are.
Speaker 1: Thinking that way, that that's actually a decent angle to
Speaker 1: look at this from. That's why it's ever. There's thirty
Speaker 1: two teams, thirty two relatively unique perspectives, but they're there
Speaker 1: is some group think involved. You know that with the
Speaker 1: draft community and with these front offices. Trey Falco, my man,
Speaker 1: it's time to dive into your Steelers digest with Joe Dolan.
Speaker 1: Take it away and let's see how we can fix
Speaker 1: this depressing fan base and give them what the hell
Speaker 1: they want more than ten wins.
Speaker 3: Go well, obviously, sitting there at the twenty first pick,
Speaker 3: overall in the draft the Steelers. I've heard a lot
Speaker 3: of talk about wide receiver, a lot to talk about
Speaker 3: defensive line. Obviously, the Steelers have a lot of holes
Speaker 3: that they need to fill. Is there like a sleeper
Speaker 3: position that you're seeing there at twenty one that maybe
Speaker 3: people aren't talking about enough that the Steelers could go
Speaker 3: after there and then move over like swing into free agency.
Speaker 3: Is there maybe a free agency pickup that you could
Speaker 3: foresee the Steelers maybe going after that could help alleviate
Speaker 3: some of those holes so that maybe not everything is
Speaker 3: on the draft that they have to fix everything.
Speaker 1: Right here with the first overall or the first pick
Speaker 1: in the twenty five drafts.
Speaker 2: Perfectly because I'll tell you who my sleeper is for
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers in the draft.
Speaker 1: Okays, oh really, I've seen them monked' that's tasty. Mike
Speaker 1: Tomlin got to get the relationship.
Speaker 2: There with right Tomlin. Mike Tomlin's handled big personalities.
Speaker 1: That's a great observation, Joe, he might be the O.
Speaker 2: And I know Steelers fans are criticizing and like they're like, well,
Speaker 2: he hasn't won a playoff game, and then what does
Speaker 2: he do? But like I mean, this is the guy
Speaker 2: who seemed to be keeping Antonio Brown together.
Speaker 1: That's what he was. That's why I couldn't that's the
Speaker 1: trade off. But I didn't win your playoff game reviews.
Speaker 1: But I kept you in the playoffs and relevant and
Speaker 1: you weren't in the tank. And oh yeah, deal with
Speaker 1: that nut taste. Go ahead, Joseph.
Speaker 2: So I think he's somewhaty. Who who who can follow
Speaker 2: the Steelers? Obviously wide receiver at Uka from from at
Speaker 2: This class of wide receivers is not nearly as good
Speaker 2: as last year. There's a lot of different flavors of players,
Speaker 2: so players you might like, if you like more of
Speaker 2: a flock eye, well, Jalen Nole from from Iowa State,
Speaker 2: who was a huge winner of a combine, could fit there,
Speaker 2: maybe in the second round. But another player I want
Speaker 2: the highlights who the Steelers. The Steelers did not extend
Speaker 2: the the the fifty year option to Najie Harris right
Speaker 2: for a thousand yards and meet to his first four years. Well,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what I was gonna say. You want to
Speaker 2: talk about a winner from the combine. Amarion Hampton is
Speaker 2: six foot nearly two hundred and thirty pounds and he
Speaker 2: ran sub four or five and if you if you
Speaker 2: turn his his tape on, like, I'm not a guy
Speaker 2: who makes like I don't consider I'm not mel Kiper.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not Todd McShay or Daniel Wheremiah I like.
Speaker 2: But when a comparison comes to mind for me, I'll
Speaker 2: throw it out there. O'marion Hampton looks to.
Speaker 1: Me like the calister, like that's a good one, big.
Speaker 2: Fast, powerful And you know, I was actually at the
Speaker 2: North Carolina game last year when Nate Wiggins ran him
Speaker 2: down from behind that. Yeah, you look at that and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, man, Hampton, well you didn't break well.
Speaker 2: Then Nate Wiggins went out ran up four two three,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you see that he
Speaker 2: was one of the few players in the country who
Speaker 2: could catch a Marion Hampton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, that's what some people like to to
Speaker 1: find one little moment with Hampton. And then Hampton came
Speaker 1: back and ran for like five thousand yards last year
Speaker 1: and sending at that great combine time Dray Steelers.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you guys, I know the running back position
Speaker 2: is not well after what Saquan and Derek Henry and
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs did this year. There's a lot of oh
Speaker 2: what it was O. Marion Hampton's not making it out
Speaker 2: of the first round. He will be a first round pick,
Speaker 2: and that's for our purposes at fantasy football. That's wonderful
Speaker 2: because he's gonna go. I think I'm eyeing Pittsburgh at
Speaker 2: twenty one. You have a Denver at twenty and the
Speaker 2: Chargers at twenty two. All could use a running back.
Speaker 2: All three would be phenomenal fits for Amaron Hampton.
Speaker 1: Mead Heead is back, Sorry nerds, the meat head is back.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: This is this goes to show exactly what the combine
Speaker 3: does when they're putting up all these magical, crazy numbers.
Speaker 3: And this is what you do for your draft stock.
Speaker 3: If em and Warry is there at twenty one, if
Speaker 3: you're the Steelers, do you take him just based off
Speaker 3: of just potential ceiling and upside? Obviously you've got Menka
Speaker 3: Fitzpatrick there, but I mean he's not getting any younger.
Speaker 3: He didn't produce as much last year as he has
Speaker 3: in years past. That is an eventual need for the Steelers.
Speaker 3: Would you take an em and Worry?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Em and war is going to be interesting because the
Speaker 2: safety is talked about in ways kind of like the
Speaker 2: running back position. Oh, you know, you could find them
Speaker 2: on Day two and Day three. But then when you
Speaker 2: take a look at this draft class in general, which
Speaker 2: is a lot less top heavy yep, and you see
Speaker 2: a guy like em and Wory who's just as freakish
Speaker 2: athletic ability. You know, I think you don't look at needs.
Speaker 2: You're like, all right, we're thinking about this the wrong way.
Speaker 2: We don't need a hole that this guy fits in
Speaker 2: because he fits in all of them. So he can
Speaker 2: play a little linebacker, he can play a little safety,
Speaker 2: he can move all around the formation. He's just one
Speaker 2: of those guys where I could see a team like
Speaker 2: the Steelers who are like, all right, we don't have
Speaker 2: huge holes. We have deficiencies, but we don't have huge holes.
Speaker 2: But we're not going to take a B prospect over
Speaker 2: an A prospect just because we have a we have
Speaker 2: a need on the offensive line or whatever. I can
Speaker 2: see any team drafting him just like as like, hey,
Speaker 2: we'll find a spot for you. You just play your game.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then there's certain guys that we evaluate this
Speaker 1: stuff and we have collective opinions and then we have
Speaker 1: different opinions on difference makers, elevators, guys that you know,
Speaker 1: like an m and Moory who could be like a
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton, perhaps not in size and frame, but just
Speaker 1: in you know, ability to control the game and make
Speaker 1: an impact. And that's the most important thing I think
Speaker 1: for a lot of these teams is okay position, Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe unless it gets like Tyler Warren is a great example.
Speaker 1: The things you can do with that guy potentially could
Speaker 1: change everything about the future of your team, or maybe
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, but the stats and the tape
Speaker 1: are pretty you know, damning when it comes to Tyler Warren,
Speaker 1: quickly before we let you go the tight end group,
Speaker 1: it's a deep class war. Do you think he goes
Speaker 1: top ten? Do you think a team like the Panthers
Speaker 1: would look there? Maybe they're just thinking best defensive tackle
Speaker 1: because they've got to stop the run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the thing for Carolina guys, and I'm
Speaker 2: sure you've discussed this plenty. I feel like Dave Canalis
Speaker 2: and the entire organization would would would strap a jet
Speaker 2: pack to their backs and fire fire up to the podium.
Speaker 2: Miss Mason Graham's there. Yes, Yeah, I feel like, that's
Speaker 2: that's the that's the dream guy. I'm sure you talked
Speaker 2: about Ted McMillan, But here's the thing with Tyler for Warren,
Speaker 2: the Jacks suddenly very interesting because Kirk to the Texans
Speaker 2: today and they just cut Evan Ingram.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that just came down. Ingram was a high
Speaker 1: volume player for them. So that, yeah, there you go, Jack.
Speaker 2: Could they be McMillan spot as well? So warren't believe me.
Speaker 2: I'm a Penn State alum, So I know what Kyle
Speaker 2: Warren do.
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 2: He's a jack of all trades. And I feel like,
Speaker 2: let's put it this way, guys, He's a football player.
Speaker 2: And they're gonna be coaches who are just sitting there
Speaker 2: watching their tape and they're they're not even gonna be
Speaker 2: making words when they're watching the tape. It's just gonna
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, like you're just like grunting at Tyler
Speaker 2: Larren and what he's doing.
Speaker 1: Like I can hear Dan right now.
Speaker 2: There's a fifteen minute video on YouTube of every grunt
Speaker 2: from Home Improvement that scouts watching Tyler Warren.
Speaker 1: That is perfect. Just in a dark room, oh, in
Speaker 1: this depressing dark no windows now it's three in the
Speaker 1: afternoon and everybody's enjoying their life. And you got an
Speaker 1: area scout.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's just he's just absolutely just making the
Speaker 2: most inhumane noises. Their guys sound the guy sounds like
Speaker 2: a Neanderthal. But now, I mean the dancers, I could see,
Speaker 2: you know, you want to Panthers are in a tough
Speaker 2: spot because, like I think, I talked to you guys
Speaker 2: last year about how what I'm feeling at age thirty
Speaker 2: three can't be your best offensive player, and then he
Speaker 2: finally did it again. I think I thinking credit to
Speaker 2: be covered a lot for the improvements that he made,
Speaker 2: and he was on to me. Schuba Hubbard was kind
Speaker 2: of the heart beat of that Panther offense. But then
Speaker 2: you know, you still look at Adam feeling and he
Speaker 2: could still play, and he very clearly has a good
Speaker 2: relationship with Bryce Young. But you have to plan for
Speaker 2: the future, and I thought Leguet had a nice rookie season.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you could say, well, he's are
Speaker 2: number one locked.
Speaker 1: In for the rest there time.
Speaker 2: I don't think you can do that. So I think
Speaker 2: a Tech McMillan or a Tyler Warren would make sense
Speaker 2: for the Panthers, even if Mason Graham fits their most
Speaker 2: immediate knee. Now, let me tell you, if all three
Speaker 2: of those players are available for the Panthers, I take
Speaker 2: Mason Grant.
Speaker 1: I would too, And I'm question. I'm under the assumption
Speaker 1: that that Graham is gone by eight. But and I
Speaker 1: don't think Carolina after what happened a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: ever trade up ever again for the next twenty years.
Speaker 1: It's like a charter that somebody put down to Temper's
Speaker 1: desk and said, no more, no more trading up. We
Speaker 1: trade back from that on Joe Dolan, Look, Joe Dolan,
Speaker 1: we got to hit We got to hit it. Man
Speaker 1: the owner and operator of Fantasy Points dot Com and
Speaker 1: has done such a great job building that wonderful publication up.
Speaker 1: And you guys are doing so much right now. What's
Speaker 1: going on these days? I guess there's a lot going
Speaker 1: on free agency draft analysis. Just a few highlights before
Speaker 1: we get you out of here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're getting heavy into the multimedia with our
Speaker 2: podcasts and talking best bets and stuff like that at
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Speaker 2: draft really hard at fantasy points, and we're gonna be
Speaker 2: using all of our proprietary data to project these guys
Speaker 2: to the NFL and help you win your fantasy leagues.
Speaker 2: That's what we ultimately do.
Speaker 1: We lack the sound of it, man, and we like
Speaker 1: to hear your voice as always. Joe right up the
Speaker 1: road there in our neck of the woods, but he
Speaker 1: is a globally renowned as one of the NFL greats. Joe,
Speaker 1: be well, my friend, and get that shower fixed.
Speaker 2: I can't wait. Guys. Thanks