WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:04.879 What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. As 2 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:08.359 we continue to navigate through the murders in Moscow, we 3 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:12.960 have heard from several different experts, several different people who 4 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:16.719 are familiar with the area, familiar with these kinds of investigations, 5 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:21.839 and familiar with how these things usually go. Well, today 6 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:25.640 we're hearing from another person who has intimate knowledge of 7 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:29.399 the area, somebody who has visited the house before, and 8 00:00:29.559 --> 00:00:35.079 somebody who has a few things of interest that they're saying. Now, obviously, 9 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:38.320 this is this person's speculation, and I just want to 10 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:41.200 be clear about that. This isn't somebody who is involved 11 00:00:41.200 --> 00:00:44.799 in this investigation, but it's an ex law enforcement official 12 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:49.000 in Idaho and somebody who has been in this house physically. 13 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:52.679 So I thought that their opinion would be a quality 14 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:56.280 addition to the catalog. With that said, let's get into 15 00:00:56.320 --> 00:00:59.320 this article from Fox News and let's get to it 16 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:04.159 headlined former Idaho prosecutor who visited the house where students 17 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:08.000 were murdered reveals the killer's possible path. Now, this is 18 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:11.000 a conversation plenty of people have been having. How did 19 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.439 the killer get in, how did they access the house, 20 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:16.000 and how were they able to maneuver the way they 21 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:21.439 were able to maneuver in basic secrecy, considering nobody saw anything, 22 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:25.560 no neighbors. So far, we haven't seen any sort of 23 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:30.599 video evidence. So how did the person get in? Well, 24 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:36.000 this prosecutor, he has a few ideas. Idaho police say 25 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:38.400 that two victims were found on the second floor of 26 00:01:38.439 --> 00:01:41.799 the house, with the other two being found on the 27 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:50.000 third floor. This article was authored by Adam Sabes, a 28 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:53.280 former Idaho Attorney General and lieutenant governor who has been 29 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:56.959 inside the house where four University of Idaho's students were 30 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.840 killed on November thirteenth, says the suspect likely entered the 31 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:05.519 house through a back door. Now we've heard through the 32 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.159 side door, we've heard the front door. Maybe you know 33 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:13.159 everything in between. And of course we just have speculation 34 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:15.520 at this point because the police they're not going to 35 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.039 come out and confirm or deny one way or the other, 36 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:23.280 especially a crucial bit of information like that. Police believe 37 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:27.199 that the University of Idaho's students Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, 38 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:31.680 Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonsalvez were all stabbed multiple times 39 00:02:31.680 --> 00:02:35.560 in their sleep during the early morning hours of November thirteenth, 40 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:38.840 between three am and four am in a home on 41 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:43.280 King Road in Moscow, Idaho. Official say the attacker used 42 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:45.919 a fixed blade knife in the incident that left the 43 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:49.639 four students dead. And when you're talking about a knife 44 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:53.319 attack and something so up close and personal, it's just 45 00:02:53.520 --> 00:02:57.240 almost too grizzly to imagine somebody being able to do this, 46 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:00.280 and then not only being able to do it, but 47 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:02.599 to put their head down on a pillow every night 48 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:06.479 and go to sleep. I don't understand how that's even possible. 49 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:10.159 You have to be a legitimate monster for that to 50 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:15.039 be the case. Dave Leroy, who previously served as Lieutenant 51 00:03:15.080 --> 00:03:19.960 Governor of Idaho, Attorney General and Ada County Prosecuting Attorney, 52 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:23.120 told Fox News Digital that he was inside that house 53 00:03:23.280 --> 00:03:27.080 four years ago. Leroy said he was at the university 54 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:30.039 during homecoming and was invited to the house where his 55 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.039 client's son was living at the time. Describing the layout 56 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:37.639 of the house, Leroy said that updates have been done 57 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:40.159 since he was there, and we know that the floor 58 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:44.400 plan has been changed. Obviously, the owner who owns this 59 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:49.000 house wants to maximize his revenue or her revenue when 60 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:52.240 they're renting it out. So if you go through and 61 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:55.719 you gut it, you know, redo it, put down new floors, whatever, 62 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:58.479 you're gonna have more of a selling point if you're 63 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:00.879 trying to rent it out. So it makes sense that 64 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:07.000 you know, the floor plan would change. There are two 65 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:10.919 separate entries, and this house lays against a hill. Leroy said, 66 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:13.840 if a perpetrator went into the lower level of the 67 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:17.120 parking lot, they would enter into a general living area 68 00:04:17.199 --> 00:04:19.959 and a kitchen area with a couple of bedrooms and 69 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:23.519 the back of a first floor. If the perpetrator entered 70 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:26.279 into the second floor, they would have done so higher 71 00:04:26.360 --> 00:04:28.920 up on the hill, to an almost separate section of 72 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:32.600 the house, which contains bedrooms and bathrooms on the second 73 00:04:32.600 --> 00:04:36.319 and third floor, where apparently, according to reports, most of 74 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:38.920 the killings took place, well, all of the killings took 75 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:42.000 place second and third floor. Nobody got killed on the 76 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.800 first floor, and it seems likely to me that it 77 00:04:44.839 --> 00:04:47.759 was this sliding glass door that was utilized. Obviously I 78 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.720 can't prove that, but when you look at the layout 79 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:55.319 of the house and you realize that the girls on 80 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:59.600 the bottom floor weren't harmed, then it's pretty obvious to me. 81 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:03.519 Anyway that sliding glass door was utilized to gain access 82 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:09.199 into this home. Leroy also believes that, based on information 83 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:13.120 officials have previously given regarding the locations of the victims, 84 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:16.240 the killer likely entered through the back of the house. 85 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.680 That would be my speculation, but I certainly would defer 86 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:23.240 to the police investigation on that. 87 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:23.959 He said. 88 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:28.240 It is, however, a logical conclusion derived from the fact 89 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:31.199 that the homicides were committed on the upper floors and 90 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:35.959 people were apparently left undisturbed on the lower floors. And 91 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:40.639 I'm a big believer in Okham's raiser, right, so the 92 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:44.480 most likely outcome is usually the right one, and for me, 93 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:47.839 the likely outcome here is that they went through this 94 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:52.959 sliding glass door. He said that it wouldn't have been 95 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:55.959 necessary for the attacker to go downstairs if the crimes 96 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:57.720 were committed on the upper levels. 97 00:05:57.879 --> 00:05:58.519 That's a fact. 98 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.439 And whether the girls downstairs weren't targeted, or the killer 99 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:07.839 ran out of time or whatever it might be, those 100 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:13.279 girls obviously weren't harmed. If two people were in the 101 00:06:13.319 --> 00:06:16.199 lower level, it would not be necessary for the killer 102 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.199 to go downstairs or to pass by their bedrooms. When 103 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:22.639 the crime was committed if they would access into and 104 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.560 out of the upper floor against the hire up on 105 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:29.279 the hill section of the house, Leroy said, and again, 106 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:32.040 it just makes sense that that would be the access point. 107 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:34.600 I highly doubt the killer is going to come strolling 108 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:37.920 in the front door. I mean, who knows this person 109 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.839 or person's They were brazen, so maybe that's possible, but 110 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.879 it doesn't seem likely. When officers arrived at the King 111 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:49.240 Road residence around noon on November thirteenth, two of the 112 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:52.319 victims were found on the second floor and two other 113 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:56.879 victims were found on the third floor. Please say Steve Gonsalveez, 114 00:06:57.040 --> 00:07:00.160 the father of Kaylee, said during a vigil remembering the 115 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.480 four victims, that his daughter died together in the same room, 116 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:07.480 in the same bed as Mogan. It's a shame and 117 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:10.399 it hurts, but the beauty of the two always being 118 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:14.199 together is something that will always comfort us. It lets 119 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:16.480 us know that they were with their best friends in 120 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:20.480 the whole world. It's like a book. Gonsalves said, Yeah, well, 121 00:07:20.519 --> 00:07:22.560 there's no doubt it's like a book, a bad book 122 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:26.800 at this point, and the fact that there's still really 123 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:31.120 no information to go on is pretty scary. You would 124 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:34.800 think that in a town like this, a small, little 125 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:37.839 college town, that if it's somebody in the circle of 126 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:41.759 these girls of Ethan, that there would have been a 127 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:44.720 little movement already. And again, in a small town like this, 128 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:49.600 you always have rumors, you have scuttle butt, and nobody's 129 00:07:49.639 --> 00:07:52.920 able to keep a secret. So if they were zeroing 130 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.199 in on somebody, I think we would know about that 131 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.959 by now, But we haven't heard anything like that. We 132 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:04.079 haven't heard anything really accept some backtracking and basically them saying, 133 00:08:04.519 --> 00:08:08.759 see what had happened was after their mistakes and it's 134 00:08:08.879 --> 00:08:12.199 just not a good look. Now. As far as giving 135 00:08:12.319 --> 00:08:15.879 information to the parents, I would probably steer away from 136 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:19.519 that if I was the investigators as well, considering all 137 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:22.000 of the interviews that they're giving. You don't want to 138 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.759 give out any important information and then have that information, 139 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:29.040 you know, get out to the press, right. You want 140 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:32.159 to make sure that you're keeping everything with a tight 141 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:35.360 lid on it. That way, you have this conviction later 142 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:37.960 on down the road, hopefully that's going to stand up 143 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.080 in court. And really that's what the whole goal is. 144 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.399 So I understand why they're taking their time, why they're 145 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.759 trying to be thorough or at least give the appearance 146 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:53.000 of being thorough, and why they're not saying more in public. 147 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:56.919 But when you have the messaging that we've had thus far, 148 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:00.799 and you have walk backs, you have correction to the record, 149 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:06.159 it's just really bad and it opens the investigation itself 150 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.960 up to a lot more criticism. You know, they talk about, oh, well, 151 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:12.360 we don't want to deal in rumor, we don't want 152 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:17.399 to deal in misinformation, but they themselves have caused a 153 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:19.600 lot of that rumor and they've caused a lot of 154 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:23.480 that misinformation. My hope is that they're learning as they 155 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:26.440 go here, and they're adjusting on the fly, because I 156 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.600 totally understand that this is a monumental task. This is 157 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:35.159 a huge, huge task, a gigantic, sprawling investigation with many 158 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:38.279 moving parts, and when you're not the man in the arena, 159 00:09:38.639 --> 00:09:42.240 it's very easy to criticize things from the sidelines. So 160 00:09:42.679 --> 00:09:45.200 I try to refrain from that as much as possible 161 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:49.360 as far as the investigation itself. But there has been 162 00:09:49.360 --> 00:09:52.159 so many missteps throughout this whole thing, and a lot 163 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:56.279 of misinformation that has come from the investigators themselves, And 164 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:58.399 then you add on top of that some of the 165 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.720 interviews that we have seen with families, and last night 166 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:06.080 on Banfield, for example, there was an interview and you know, 167 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:09.879 they were talking about how they believe Kaylee's family that 168 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:13.120 they believe that some of the suspects or some of 169 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:15.799 the perceived suspects were cleared too quickly. 170 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:17.919 And I said that right away too. 171 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:20.759 How could you clear people that quickly without DNA coming 172 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:23.919 back or anything like that. So, look, there are way 173 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:27.159 more questions than there are answers in this case, and 174 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.039 we're going to continue to navigate through it and try 175 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:33.679 and find the truth because I think one thing everybody 176 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:36.919 can agree on, investigators and those of us following the case, 177 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:42.000 is that justice is a must. All right, folks. That's 178 00:10:42.039 --> 00:10:43.720 going to do it for me. If you'd like to 179 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.600 contact me, you can do that at Bobby Kapouchi at 180 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:52.080 ProtonMail dot com. That's bo Bbuy c apu Cci at 181 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:55.240 ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me on Twitter 182 00:10:55.360 --> 00:11:01.200 at bo bbuy underscore cap you CC. The link that 183 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:04.919 I discussed can be found in the description box with luck. 184 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:10.279 What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. I 185 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:13.320 think in the wake of the murders that happened at 186 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.799 King Road. A lot of people were asking themselves, how 187 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:19.919 is it that nobody downstairs heard what was going on? 188 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:24.120 And now we're hearing from an ex tenant who lived 189 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:26.919 at King Road and they say that you could hear 190 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:31.879 everything downstairs that was going on upstairs. However, we have 191 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.200 to remember that this was a party house, and the 192 00:11:35.240 --> 00:11:38.759 downstairs roommates probably thought that there were just people over 193 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:42.600 hanging out, having some drinks and having a good time. 194 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:45.000 So if you don't want to be involved in that 195 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.440 as a roommate, why would you leave your room to 196 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:51.919 go investigate? It could be a million different things, right, 197 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.759 The other girls could have friends over, a boy could 198 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:58.200 be over, There could be a party going on upstairs. 199 00:11:58.799 --> 00:11:59.559 Whatever it is. 200 00:12:00.200 --> 00:12:02.840 You would think that that's pretty commonplace for a house 201 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.759 like this. The more we learn about it, the more 202 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:08.240 that we know there were pregaming there. People were always 203 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:11.159 hanging out, so it would make sense that there would 204 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:13.759 be people over at all hours of the night if 205 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:17.679 you're the roommates downstairs. So I doubt that they didn't 206 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:20.639 hear anything as far as you know, people walking around 207 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:21.840 or anything like that. 208 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:24.600 But they probably thought that it was. 209 00:12:24.720 --> 00:12:29.039 Just the regular going ons of the night, a regular 210 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:31.919 old weekend. People over and we're having a good time. 211 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:36.879 But according to a former tenant who lived in this building, 212 00:12:36.919 --> 00:12:39.759 this house, he says that when he lived there, you 213 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:44.720 could hear everything going on upstairs downstairs. So let's get 214 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:47.639 into this article from the Daily Mail and let's see 215 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:51.840 what's going on here. Headline X tenant of Idaho murder 216 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:54.720 house says you could hear footsteps on every floor at 217 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.320 night and cannot believe no one woke during the killings, 218 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:02.000 as brutal knife things of four students continues to baffle 219 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:05.639 cops in a small town, and not just in the 220 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:11.120 small town. It's baffling everybody, the FBI included. So I 221 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.200 know we want to be critical of the Moscow Police Department, 222 00:13:14.440 --> 00:13:16.600 but we have to remember it's not just them doing 223 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.679 this themselves. They have the help of the FEDS, they 224 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:22.159 have the ISP on board, and I'm sure that they 225 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:27.639 have help from other departments if they request it. But 226 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:30.320 with that said, the fact remains there's still no arrest. 227 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:36.000 There's still nobody who's in handcuffs for this murder. Today's 228 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:42.039 article was authored by Alex Hammer, an ex tenant of 229 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:45.279 the house where four University of Idaho's students were stabbed 230 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:48.480 to death, has offered an interesting revelation in the case, 231 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:52.759 revealing that every footstep can be heard in the creaky 232 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.519 old home. Now. I don't know how many of you 233 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:59.120 have experience with basements and stuff like that, but I 234 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:01.360 know that some of my families homes in New York, 235 00:14:01.639 --> 00:14:05.639 they have basements and downstairs you can hear everything going 236 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:08.720 on in the house. Now, a lot of these homes 237 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:13.559 are very old colonial homes, so there's that to take 238 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:17.759 into account. But you can hear everything downstairs. But we 239 00:14:17.840 --> 00:14:20.919 have to remember all of the context around what happened 240 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:24.559 at King Road, the fact that there's always people there. 241 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:27.080 These girls are hanging out downstairs. Maybe they were a 242 00:14:27.080 --> 00:14:30.000 little drunk too, So there's a lot of factors that 243 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.159 go into it as to why they might not have 244 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:38.720 heard what was going on upstairs. The detail was offered 245 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:42.879 up Friday by Cole Altender, adding to the confusion as 246 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:45.600 to how the other roommates slept so soundly on the 247 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.240 first floor while the students were murdered on the second 248 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.879 and third floors. More than a month has passed since 249 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:57.919 students Kaylee gone, Solvice Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan 250 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:00.879 Chapin were all stabbed to death inside the three story 251 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:04.639 home late November thirteenth. There's no doubt that all of 252 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.639 this is confusing, and there's a lot of questions that 253 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:11.639 remain and need to be answered. When it comes to 254 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:15.159 the surviving roommates, they have been cleared by the investigators, 255 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.720 just like Jack. So my guess is whatever the investigators 256 00:15:18.759 --> 00:15:23.840 found at the crime scene during their investigation leads them 257 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.720 to believe that the two surviving roommates had nothing to 258 00:15:26.759 --> 00:15:29.879 do with this here and that they slept through this 259 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:34.720 whole entire altercation. That is what the investigation by the 260 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.679 police has uncovered, and that's what they have told the public. 261 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:43.240 But even with that official account, there's still a lot 262 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:47.200 of things that people don't understand, and it's hard for 263 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:50.000 people to wrap their mind around the fact that someone 264 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:56.039 can sleep through these kinds of murders. Cops have so 265 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:59.559 far discerned that the slangs occurred between three am and 266 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:03.639 as and not much else. Moscow Police Chief James Fry, 267 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:07.080 who oversees the small city of twenty five thousand, has 268 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:09.720 said he has no clue who or where the killer 269 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:13.759 is and has faced criticism. Anytime you're the lead investigator 270 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:16.120 in a case like this, you're going to face all 271 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:19.080 kinds of criticism. You're going to face all kinds of 272 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:22.879 people who are looking at what's going on and having 273 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:25.879 their own opinions. It's just the nature of the business. 274 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:32.519 Each floor has two bedrooms and a bathroom. All Tender, 275 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:35.759 who graduated in twenty twenty two, lived in a bedroom 276 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:38.440 on the second floor of the house, directly above one 277 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:42.279 of the first floor bedrooms. He described Friday how tenants 278 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:46.080 could hear footsteps resonate throughout virtually every part of the home. 279 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.879 It's a very creaky old house. All Tender, who lived 280 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.759 at the home during his junior year, told Fox News 281 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:56.360 and several other outlets in a series of interviews. You 282 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.600 can hear the footsteps on every floor, and I don't 283 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.240 doubt that. But if these girls were sleeping and they 284 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:05.279 wake up and hear a bang or something like that, 285 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:09.079 it's pretty safe to assume that they thought that it 286 00:17:09.119 --> 00:17:11.400 was just a party going on up there and somebody's 287 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:16.359 stumbling around drunk. He added to ABC News. You can't 288 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:18.839 walk up any of the stairs or any of the 289 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:23.279 floors without everybody in the house knowing it all. Tenander, 290 00:17:23.480 --> 00:17:26.319 a former track stand out at the school who lived 291 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:30.039 on the floor where college lovers Chapin and Kernodle were found, 292 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:32.519 went on to a call how when he lived there, 293 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:35.960 his roommates below him could hear virtually everything he did 294 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:39.200 in his room. The person who lived below me always 295 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:42.400 said he could hear me walking around all. Tenander told 296 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:44.920 Fox News I had a desk in a rolling chair, 297 00:17:45.119 --> 00:17:47.839 and he could hear that rolling around. And again, I 298 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:51.519 don't dispute that. I've been in these older houses where 299 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:54.920 you can hear everything downstairs, So I don't dispute that 300 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:55.599 for a minute. 301 00:17:56.160 --> 00:17:58.440 For me, though, I don't know how much that. 302 00:17:58.359 --> 00:18:02.839 Matters, considering these two girls were probably I'm guessing asleep 303 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:07.000 and being a Saturday night. Did they have one tied on? 304 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.160 Were they out having some drinks? I know that when 305 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.640 I used to drink, when I would fall asleep. Forget it. 306 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.720 That's a wrap. I'ming lights out. I'm not going to 307 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:17.640 hear anyone walking around upstairs. 308 00:18:18.880 --> 00:18:19.319 He added. 309 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:22.200 The home, set in a cul de sac called Fratlantis 310 00:18:22.400 --> 00:18:26.400 by students due to its proximity to fraternity Row, also 311 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:30.640 boasted poor insulation, a ventilation system that allowed tenants to 312 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:34.200 hear everybody talking throughout the house. He said he and 313 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:37.359 his roommates were used to the noises and eventually learned 314 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:41.440 to tune them out. The neighborhood all Tenander added, boasted 315 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:44.880 a very active party life, which carried over into their house. 316 00:18:46.119 --> 00:18:48.160 So if you got used to them when you live there, 317 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.359 wouldn't that lead us to believe that the girls also 318 00:18:51.440 --> 00:18:53.599 got used to all of those noises and thought it 319 00:18:53.680 --> 00:18:56.400 was just because that's the logical. 320 00:18:56.000 --> 00:18:56.839 Place to go here. 321 00:18:57.759 --> 00:19:00.240 If you're used to hearing all that creaking around, and 322 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:02.640 then you're hanging out in your bedroom one Saturday night 323 00:19:02.920 --> 00:19:06.039 like any other Saturday night, and you hear people walking 324 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:09.440 around or creaking or activity upstairs, why would you think 325 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:11.599 it's something out of the usual if it's something that's 326 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:15.119 always going on. So, you see, it makes more sense 327 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.160 when we get more context, Right, how someone could sleep 328 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:21.559 through it? How somebody cannot know something's going on upstairs 329 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:26.680 when it's always going on upstairs, meaning something's always cracking off. Well, 330 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:29.119 why would you think tonight is all of a sudden 331 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.839 out of the norm. Now it's easy to Monday morning 332 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:34.960 quarterback and use hindsight and say I should have done this, 333 00:19:35.039 --> 00:19:37.440 that or the other thing. But in real time, to 334 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:40.680 these girls downstairs, my guess is this was just a 335 00:19:40.799 --> 00:19:45.000 regular old night. A lot of students are very familiar 336 00:19:45.079 --> 00:19:48.039 with the inside of the home, he described. At parties, 337 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:50.799 people would hop the fence and just like walk away 338 00:19:51.079 --> 00:19:54.039 if the cops came. Now, I know how that goes. 339 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:57.240 When I was younger, forget it. The second the jakes 340 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:00.480 would roll up, your boy would be gone. Zero chance 341 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.160 I was sticking around to get some kind of ticket 342 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.039 for drinking or anything like that. So I feel that 343 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:09.480 you hop over the wall, whatever. And when you have 344 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:12.519 one of these well known party houses, there's always those 345 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:16.400 kinds of escape routes right over the wall, through the bushes, 346 00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:19.400 through the neighbor's yard, always a way to get away 347 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:23.640 from the police. He further told Fox that hundreds of 348 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:26.160 students had likely been in the home at some point 349 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:29.200 or another and thus knew the layout. He said of 350 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:32.759 the local police force's failure to so far glean a suspect, 351 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:35.960 I think everybody expected an arrest. I know I did. 352 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:38.960 I most certainly did. When you have something like this occur, 353 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:41.960 it doesn't usually drag. As long as we're seeing here, 354 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:46.119 there's usually signs, you know, some smoke where there's some fire, 355 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:49.640 something like that, but not here. We haven't heard anything 356 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:51.640 about any potential suspects. 357 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:52.039 Nothing. 358 00:20:54.599 --> 00:20:57.759 Moscow Police, who have faced rampant criticism from the general 359 00:20:57.839 --> 00:21:00.960 public and the families of the slain, recently announced that 360 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:05.920 their investigation will continue over the university's winter break. Well, 361 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:09.160 of course there's a police work. You're not working at 362 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:11.559 the local convenience store or something where you get some 363 00:21:11.640 --> 00:21:15.440 days off. You gotta keep grinding, right, The tips are 364 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.079 gonna keep coming in and the case is gonna keep growing. 365 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:21.599 And with so many students having access to this house, 366 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:25.440 being there, coming there, going there, going to parties, could 367 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:28.279 it be that somebody who was on the outside and 368 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:31.880 watching these girls slipped in during one of those parties 369 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:33.279 like an attendee. 370 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:35.079 Very possible. 371 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:38.000 Look, we just don't know, And I think that's the 372 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.519 thing that has so many people so invested in what's 373 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:44.480 going on here, because usually when we have a situation 374 00:21:44.640 --> 00:21:47.640 like this, there is some kind of break in the 375 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:50.720 case by now and you start to see which way 376 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:53.119 things are going. But we still have not seen that. 377 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:55.519 So I thought it would be a good ad to 378 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:57.799 hear from this ex tenant and try and get some 379 00:21:57.839 --> 00:22:00.920 context around the sound as far as as people walking 380 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:04.599 around in the house while the roommates are downstairs. Now, 381 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:07.480 there's a couple more paragraphs to this article, but it's 382 00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:10.799 just rehashing stuff we've talked about, you know, the basics 383 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:12.839 of the case. So we're not gonna dive into that, 384 00:22:13.079 --> 00:22:15.319 and we're gonna wrap it up right here. But I 385 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:17.759 thought it was interesting to hear from this X roommate 386 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.400 or this X tenant about their experience while living in 387 00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:26.200 this house because that's definitely context to what's going on 388 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:29.920 as far as the noises you hear being downstairs, and 389 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:32.839 with all of the confusion around how these roommates could 390 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:36.039 have slept through this, it's certainly interesting to hear from 391 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:40.359 this ex tenant about his own experiences. All Right, folks, 392 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:42.240 that's gonna do it for this one. If you'd like 393 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:45.160 to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Capuci 394 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:49.920 at ProtonMail dot com. That's bo Bby c ap you 395 00:22:50.559 --> 00:22:53.960 Cci at proton mail dot com. You can also find 396 00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:59.480 me on Twitter at bo bby Underscore c ap u Cci. 397 00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:02.440 The link that I discussed can be found in the 398 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:08.039 description box. Airline Up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. 399 00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:11.400 During the morning update, we were talking about the bodycam 400 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.480 footage that has recently been released, so I figured we 401 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:17.920