Speaker 1: Welcome to the Marvel Alliance Podcast, where we cover anything
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Speaker 1: hundred and three, and as you guys will notice, we've
Speaker 1: got a special guest hostsay filling in while Chris is
Speaker 1: out of town. Travis, how are you doing and things?
Speaker 2: For filling in, I'm doing well. I'm going on holiday
Speaker 2: after today.
Speaker 3: And I want to thank you to It first came.
Speaker 2: Around the schedule to allow me to do this because
Speaker 2: they had a surprise. They're having a surprise verst they
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Speaker 2: Not the greatest thing in terms of I'm not really
Speaker 2: excited for four hour drive, but we got such a
Speaker 2: great episode today that I could not be more happy
Speaker 2: that we get to talk because it's like I told
Speaker 2: you before we start talking. In my opinion, this is
Speaker 2: the single greatest episode of this and the previous show
Speaker 2: one episode. This is the best of one episode that
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was such an amazing episode. I've had a
Speaker 1: very up and down a rough week. As we were
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Speaker 1: of an episode to enjoy, with.
Speaker 2: So many Easter eggs, so many crazy things like this. Again,
Speaker 2: like I told you, I'm so glad we get talked
Speaker 2: about this episode after all the stuff you've had to
Speaker 2: deal with in the past, like twenty four hours especially,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I can't wait to get into it. So
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Speaker 1: time would be the character who stayed dead in comics,
Speaker 1: ended up coming back and has had a monumental run.
Speaker 2: Ever since I noticed somebody in the third cover there
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about it had a little appearance.
Speaker 1: Yeh, yes it did. So that being said, Episode four,
Speaker 1: The Rise of Apocalypse, Part two, what are your high
Speaker 1: level thoughts?
Speaker 2: Like I said, this was pretty outstanding everybody involved in
Speaker 2: this that there's a little pat on the back from
Speaker 2: the writers to the animators to the voice actors because
Speaker 2: everything looked amazing, sounded amazing, was well written. There's a
Speaker 2: discussion that's had between four or five of the characters
Speaker 2: at one point for a minute or two, and it's
Speaker 2: so cool. It's like five different perspectives on what they're
Speaker 2: doing out of five different like ones that have like lost,
Speaker 2: ones that have like can want to do more, ones
Speaker 2: out of religion, ones that have it's just science and
Speaker 2: yeah it's pretty and one that have previous experience it's
Speaker 2: doing the same thing.
Speaker 3: And I really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2: And it was only like a minute conversation and you're like, man,
Speaker 2: they're doing so much in this thirty minutes. Also, how
Speaker 2: awesome would have been growing up if we actually got
Speaker 2: thirty minutes of cartoon time When it's locked after thirty
Speaker 2: minutes instead of getting twenty two minutes like we.
Speaker 3: Normally used to get with the ads, like thirty minutes.
Speaker 2: Everything perfect, and I didn't know what was happening because
Speaker 2: I didn't look at the time, and I like didn't
Speaker 2: be like, oh when this is gonna end. It was
Speaker 2: such a great episode and I can't wait. I'm interested
Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts and yeah, I can't wait to
Speaker 2: get into yah.
Speaker 3: Episode.
Speaker 1: Beautifully written, episode, amazing. Just every character got a moment
Speaker 1: to shine within themselves and this was a real big
Speaker 1: build up, and I think something that for me being
Speaker 1: a fan of the show, for me watching the original
Speaker 1: X Men as a kid, plus being a fan of
Speaker 1: this current show. There were so many Easter eggs and callbacks.
Speaker 1: I mean it even starts with the opening itself. Just
Speaker 1: so many Easter eggs and callbacks that you just got
Speaker 1: to really enjoy and take in this. And like I said,
Speaker 1: it was great from start to fit. I think they
Speaker 1: they really made full use of this entire episode.
Speaker 2: Can I say one thing that you reminded me? I
Speaker 2: have one complaint now looking back, I hope they don't
Speaker 2: do this as much going forward. But they revealed a
Speaker 2: couple of things in the intro that like showed.
Speaker 3: Up like beasts with the ship and knowing the ship.
Speaker 2: They showed that that you showed that in the intro,
Speaker 2: and that that makes me think a certain character is
Speaker 2: coming down the line, and that might be how a
Speaker 2: certain character of returns. We'll get into that and later on,
Speaker 2: but there is that they showed a part from the
Speaker 2: previous season when someone was using their mind powers on
Speaker 2: another character, and yeah, I feel like we're gonna that's
Speaker 2: gonna come back around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said so so many callbacks to things that
Speaker 1: have happened, not only in X Men ninety seven but
Speaker 1: in the original X Men. So what that being said,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead get into spoiler territory. Let's get into
Speaker 1: this in X Men ninety seven season two, episode four,
Speaker 1: Rise of the Apocalypse Part two, and this was written
Speaker 1: by Bo DeMeo, former showrunner, and Anthony Ciletti, the same
Speaker 1: two men who wrote Rise of Apocalypse Part one, which
Speaker 1: was the last of the last episode as well and
Speaker 1: what happened with Boa Marvel aside, this is against some beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful writing all throughout.
Speaker 2: And so, David, if you want listeners a good thing
Speaker 2: to do, if even if you haven't. If you've already
Speaker 2: watched this episode, go back and watch the four part
Speaker 2: episodes from X Men ninety seven Season four Beyond Good
Speaker 2: and Evil Part one, two, three, and four, because there
Speaker 2: are a lot of things that come back to play
Speaker 2: in this episode from those four.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's another episode as well, Obsession, which is a
Speaker 1: good watch to get into this as well, and you
Speaker 1: know it. Between Obsession and Bianca Nivil you will also
Speaker 1: see some old meme worthy X Men stuff from original things.
Speaker 1: You'll know where certain memes come from. So getting into
Speaker 1: the episodes once again, we get a new opening combining
Speaker 1: remade footage from the original X Men, So we get
Speaker 1: remade footage of Bishop falling through time. We get remade
Speaker 1: footage of Charles and Magneto teaming up when they were
Speaker 1: younger to show off their powers the first time they meet.
Speaker 1: Then we also get just like new footage as well
Speaker 1: of everyone else. The only people featured in this opening
Speaker 1: are the people from the team that is in the past.
Speaker 1: We get also a view of Gambit and Rogue in
Speaker 1: this opening, so there's a lot of hints at where
Speaker 1: this episode is and where this is going. But it
Speaker 1: was nice with Charles doing the opening of it, the
Speaker 1: doing the last time on X Men before going into this,
Speaker 1: So that was really cool. They are they are really
Speaker 1: maximizing these openings. And if you are hitting the skip
Speaker 1: opening button on this show, you are doing yourself one
Speaker 1: hell of a disservice.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you can't.
Speaker 2: And then if the only maybe the only backdrop is
Speaker 2: just in your head for the rest of the day
Speaker 2: at that point, So maybe that is why you would
Speaker 2: avoid it. But that's what a great sign has stuck
Speaker 2: in your head all day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we probably open on the aftermath of the
Speaker 1: battle from the last episode. Magneto has put a shield
Speaker 1: to protect the X Men and only the X Men,
Speaker 1: as in Savigner's partner, Ball is the only one who
Speaker 1: has died from this attack, prompting Ner to be filled
Speaker 1: with rage.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: He offers them a chance to explain their lies, but
Speaker 1: only because since he can see that they are strong
Speaker 1: in the that they are also mutants or what he
Speaker 1: is now learning to be mutants is the only reason
Speaker 1: that he is going to give them a chance to talk,
Speaker 1: Otherwise they would be taken out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and here Magneto even reflects that I could only
Speaker 2: save like a few of us when yeah, yet this
Speaker 2: exact same situation happened to me on Genosha.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Bishop says that they need to return to
Speaker 1: the nineties asap again four episodes running. Think got to
Speaker 1: return to the nineties. Night Crawler says, you know, like
Speaker 1: he wasn't a decision maker and all this, but he's
Speaker 1: hell on for the ride. Rogue wants to use Magneto's
Speaker 1: plan to make everyone who died in Genosia survive. You
Speaker 1: could tell Magneto is also feeling some type of way
Speaker 1: still about everything that's happened in Genosha and wants to
Speaker 1: you know, that weight in guilt's wing on his heart
Speaker 1: and he wants to reverse it. And Beast, being the
Speaker 1: ever you know, political person he is, suggests that they
Speaker 1: take a vote.
Speaker 2: And this is one other thing where you give props
Speaker 2: to the animeters because they do so much with the
Speaker 2: character's eyes and looks in this, like Magneto can infer
Speaker 2: from Rogue's eyes that the only reason she mightts to
Speaker 2: go along with her his plan is to potentially get
Speaker 2: Gambit back, and that guts Magneto, but he still goes
Speaker 2: look at you, and they show it all with looks
Speaker 2: so Yeah, I gotta give props.
Speaker 3: To the animators for this because this is fantastic.
Speaker 1: When she mentions getting back things that were lost and
Speaker 1: they cut to Magneto and the again animated show. But
Speaker 1: the guilt that is drawn on his face in that moment,
Speaker 1: you can tell like, all right, And that's when Magneto
Speaker 1: takes it upon himself to be the only vote as
Speaker 1: he destroys Bishop's device, leaving them stuck where they're at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, him still thinking that he can change Evanser, which
Speaker 2: I mean, that is my probably biggest issue with their
Speaker 2: decision here, after all the times that you even Magneto,
Speaker 2: especially because in the four part episode that I was
Speaker 2: speaking about, Manto teams up and works for a packlasts
Speaker 2: for a while but didn't realize how crazy he is
Speaker 2: and goes against him.
Speaker 3: But yet no, you think you can change him in
Speaker 3: the past like that.
Speaker 2: No, it made knows him for me, that the decision
Speaker 2: to go down that road. And yet it definitely can
Speaker 2: be only because Magneto's feel but so much guilt that
Speaker 2: Genosha and he doesn't want it to happen, so that
Speaker 2: is what is driving him here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Magneto is not the best with his plans and
Speaker 1: how they they turn out.
Speaker 3: So especially like to well here.
Speaker 1: So at that point, Charles and You're they talk about
Speaker 1: the future. As Charles tries to peel to him for
Speaker 1: a better future, gives him a very a very happy
Speaker 1: view of the future, a very positive view. He's telling
Speaker 1: him about the X Men and the possibility of a
Speaker 1: better world. He's leaving out a lot of things that
Speaker 1: have happened in the world, the negative aspects of it.
Speaker 1: He's talking about the brighter future. He's being very you know,
Speaker 1: positive and things like that, and just skipping all the
Speaker 1: Trump and the heartbreak and everything that they've had to
Speaker 1: fight through, the uh, the bigotry that exists now, and
Speaker 1: everything else. He's just skipping past that.
Speaker 2: He's talking about half a dozen times they fight Apocalypse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, leaving out that that is one of the greatest
Speaker 1: enemies of the X Man. Just none of that is there.
Speaker 1: He's just only going against you know, here's the sunshine
Speaker 1: and rainbows. So Charles suggests that they use the temple
Speaker 1: of cosmic power that is calling out to Neure in
Speaker 1: order to reach this new beginning that Charles is hoping
Speaker 1: that they can get to Yeah.
Speaker 2: Back to the last episode when Magneo says, like, they
Speaker 2: think that that is a way they can get home,
Speaker 2: and that's why he broke bracelet to because they want
Speaker 2: to go there get that power.
Speaker 1: So Charles begins to access nurse thoughts and get visions
Speaker 1: of his upbringing, you know, him being ripped away from
Speaker 1: his mother, him being the first mutant, and being a
Speaker 1: slave in Egypt. We see him growing from a baby
Speaker 1: to being sold into slavery, and the person who sell
Speaker 1: him into slavery is saying, you know, ignore the way
Speaker 1: he looks, Ignore his skin in his face and his
Speaker 1: eyes that promise you he's strong. And we then see
Speaker 1: that he evolved as he's working with the rest of
Speaker 1: the slaves and he's kind of a pariah because of
Speaker 1: the way he looks and the way he is. But
Speaker 1: then we see him like growing from being this child
Speaker 1: to being the strongest slave. And then this is where
Speaker 1: we get, you know, a first little cool Easter egg
Speaker 1: as we see him being a strong slave and he's
Speaker 1: moving statues and erecting statues all on his own, just
Speaker 1: him pulling on a rope and we see lined up
Speaker 1: statues of Kanchu, so moonnight fans will recognize. Yes, it
Speaker 1: had the shape of the beak and everything had the
Speaker 1: crescent in there that there was no mistaking that these
Speaker 1: were statues honoring kan Chu that we see there. So
Speaker 1: we see him become the strongest slave, and then we
Speaker 1: see him lying in a room again away from all
Speaker 1: the other slaves, because even though they revere him for
Speaker 1: his power, he's still not accepted as one of those.
Speaker 1: And in his vision as we see or laying there,
Speaker 1: a voice reaches out that says, come be eternal. And
Speaker 1: if you had closed captions on, it kind of spoils
Speaker 1: who this is. But we will get to who it
Speaker 1: is a little bit later. But if you had close
Speaker 1: captains on his spoils it, or you might have picked
Speaker 1: up on the way that the stars lit up in
Speaker 1: the sky who it was.
Speaker 2: But no, they didn't give away who it was to me.
Speaker 2: I just knew what group of people it was, but
Speaker 2: I didn't know which one specifically.
Speaker 1: No on Disney Plus the second time I watched it
Speaker 1: with the captions on, it literally says the name on
Speaker 1: there is who is speaking And I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: good thing, I've already seen this episode. Or that would
Speaker 1: have been a huge spoiler to me. So at this point,
Speaker 1: Charles knows the temple is in a hidden location, Nor
Speaker 1: knows that it is in a place that's known as
Speaker 1: the Gardner's Gaze, and Nor will use the stars to
Speaker 1: guide them to that, and at this point, you know,
Speaker 1: they they agreed to go and travel together. The team
Speaker 1: traverses to the Gays. As they walk under the constellation
Speaker 1: the stars again, the six major star from this vision
Speaker 1: light up, and the temple reveals itself. The group decides
Speaker 1: to camp out for the night. As Rogue is sitting
Speaker 1: by the fire and Nora comes up to her to
Speaker 1: have a conversation about love. Rogue talks about love and
Speaker 1: how important it is and her loss of it, and
Speaker 1: Nurse says that he's never experienced it. To him, love
Speaker 1: is pain being ripped away from his mother, being sold
Speaker 1: into slavery. That's all he knows is pain and their closeness.
Speaker 1: You know. Kind of gives a callback to an episode
Speaker 1: from the original series called The Cure. That's when Rogue
Speaker 1: decides that she no longer wants to be a mutant,
Speaker 1: and so she goes to Apocalypse who is going to
Speaker 1: make her one of her horsemen, and that's when she
Speaker 1: after some back and forth and realizing, you know, she
Speaker 1: loves who she is and all this other stuff, she
Speaker 1: changes her mind. And then that's when he takes Angel
Speaker 1: and turns him into Archangel instead.
Speaker 3: One. Two things.
Speaker 2: One was I want to make give them special shadow,
Speaker 2: because this is the attention to detail that I love
Speaker 2: from this show and the animators. Four of the people
Speaker 2: are on horses, two of the bigger people that would
Speaker 2: be too heavy for horses are on camels as they
Speaker 2: walk up Beasts and Advancer, Like that's just extra level
Speaker 2: attention to detail that not many people would notice that,
Speaker 2: but I absolutely loved that. I actually smirked my seap
Speaker 2: because camel's prefer much heavier people and heavier loads, and
Speaker 2: so yeah, I did appreciate that. And I love the
Speaker 2: whole conversation with Rode here. This backs up what Rogue
Speaker 2: is thinking going forward to with the what she wants
Speaker 2: with Magneto's playing and such. So yeah, I really love
Speaker 2: this scene as well, because this whole episode was firing
Speaker 2: on all cylinders.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's again very much attention to detail. The
Speaker 1: writers and directors and the showrunner of this is that
Speaker 1: they're just wanted. So at this point we see Rama
Speaker 1: Tut who begins to use his own possibly stolen knowing
Speaker 1: what we know in the comics of Rama Tut and
Speaker 1: who he is possibly stolen version of Cerebro, to reach
Speaker 1: out to Charles. He offers to tell him the secrets
Speaker 1: of the temple that he knows he's looking for. Charles
Speaker 1: asks who he is, and that's when we get the
Speaker 1: reveal of Rama Tut saying, oh, I've been called by
Speaker 1: a many name Nathaniel, Victor, and even King. So in
Speaker 1: the comic books, Nathaniel Richards in the future, you know,
Speaker 1: steals some technology and starts to traverse through the past
Speaker 1: and present, making himself a god in some times, and
Speaker 1: you know he is Rama Tut in one era, he's
Speaker 1: king in another. Are This is how he starts becoming
Speaker 1: King the conqueror, of stealing various things and traveling through time,
Speaker 1: the saying that I was once called Victor. There is
Speaker 1: an alternate timeline where a version of Victor von Doom
Speaker 1: becomes king. So it's just all these these cool little
Speaker 1: things when he says that. But yes, we get our
Speaker 1: our definitive that Rama Tut is King, the conquer.
Speaker 2: I also loved the little cerebral type thing he was wearing, like,
Speaker 2: that is a pretty cool. It looks like his version
Speaker 2: of cerebro.
Speaker 3: I love that. Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: Us so and again in the comic books, Nathania Richards
Speaker 1: steals technology from museums.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: He steals technology which allows him to travel to the past,
Speaker 1: and this could easily be explained as in one of
Speaker 1: his various time heist he went and stole from somewhere
Speaker 1: a version of cerebro because it looks just like it
Speaker 1: other than the symbol on the helmet.
Speaker 2: You just stole the design too, right, And then he yeah,
Speaker 2: used it for himself, So yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: So King explains that he is in the Access of
Speaker 1: Time again this go back and why that four part
Speaker 1: episode and you will get a good deep dive on
Speaker 1: the Access of Time where Apocalypse makes his home base.
Speaker 1: Charles asks why he came to this time to enslaved
Speaker 1: nouris people. King admits that he came to take the
Speaker 1: celestial power and use it to conquer. King tells Charles
Speaker 1: that he cannot stop Apocalypse, never has been able to
Speaker 1: stop him, and never will.
Speaker 2: Be, and it might be because it's a causal loop
Speaker 2: between what they're doing and like it might be a
Speaker 2: fixed point here where he and it definitely is when
Speaker 2: we get into it a little bit later of why
Speaker 2: he gets his powers and stuff.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it is just it's a very good episode here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so before we get into the next part of
Speaker 1: the episode, let's go ahead and take our first commercial break. Listeners,
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Speaker 1: So at this point, the team heads inside the temple.
Speaker 1: The group sees the head of Isan, the searcher, who, again,
Speaker 1: if you had captions on earlier, it was well that
Speaker 1: that's the voice that you heard. He is a celestial
Speaker 1: and he is right in the middle of this temple
Speaker 1: that we've gone into. The group says.
Speaker 2: That the screens in the galaxy too, right, he was
Speaker 2: wipe out a whole planet, right, Yep.
Speaker 1: He's featured in the Gardens of the Galaxy. I think
Speaker 1: he was one of the people who is featured in
Speaker 1: that celestial episode of what if? Uh So, like he's
Speaker 1: made his round. So those who are wondering, you know,
Speaker 1: when the Eternals were coming back. There.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 1: You got a little bit of an Eternals action.
Speaker 3: And they're never mentioned in the previous series.
Speaker 2: They mentioned the Celestials once in the ship episode and
Speaker 2: it's just one one time, not explained anything about it,
Speaker 2: that's all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is, you know, the Celestials is very big
Speaker 1: and integral to Apocalypse getting the power that he is
Speaker 1: at now, and we'll get to that a little bit later,
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that they brought it into this episode
Speaker 1: to really expound on that. So the group decides that
Speaker 1: they need to split up in order to locate the
Speaker 1: source of the power. Beast group, which is him. Rogue
Speaker 1: McNeil and Nightcrawler began to search and they realize they've
Speaker 1: been here before again callbacks to the previous series in
Speaker 1: previous episodes, and they realized that this is ship, the
Speaker 1: all powerful vessel that Apocalypse uses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I.
Speaker 2: Was part of me thought that maybe the connection that
Speaker 2: that Beast had with the ship in the previous episodes
Speaker 2: would come back here, but no, no, no, it was
Speaker 2: in the previous time. So the Beast is going back
Speaker 2: in time before he met the ship, so the ship
Speaker 2: would not have the relationship that they had with him,
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was like, wait.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Tom Trumpt so weird. One person has the memories,
Speaker 1: another person doesn't. It's it's very uh if you're a
Speaker 1: fan of Doctor Who, you get it very timey. Whymy
Speaker 1: stuff going on here? The other group, which is Nord,
Speaker 1: Charles and Bishop. Nord says that he's going to go
Speaker 1: with Charles, and Bishops is like, yeah, no, I'm sticking
Speaker 1: with you guys. And we have to remember that in
Speaker 1: the timeline that Bishop originally comes from, with all the
Speaker 1: mutants enslaved, he has seen the decimation of Apocalypse firsthand.
Speaker 1: So even though this is you know, pre apocalypse that
Speaker 1: he knows, he still does not trust his person. So
Speaker 1: he's like, no, I'm going with that group.
Speaker 2: Well not really, it doesn't make any.
Speaker 1: They walk into a room and there are our paintings
Speaker 1: everywhere that show Apocalypses rise to power. You know, there's
Speaker 1: mirrors that're showing Insomonnure as he is now. They're showing
Speaker 1: Apocalypse on the throne. They're showing another one with Apocalypse
Speaker 1: running by death, and you see like even a glimpse
Speaker 1: right now of the current X Men who were there
Speaker 1: in the past, looking up to as Apocalypse is making
Speaker 1: his ascension, and Charles has kind of an oh shit
Speaker 1: moment as he looks around, like, yeah, we just brought
Speaker 1: him to the place that's going to allow him to
Speaker 1: become what we fear the most. The room lights up
Speaker 1: and you see kind of the celestial power running through it,
Speaker 1: and at that point Ner is pissed. He realizes that
Speaker 1: Charles was trying to keep him from his destiny, and
Speaker 1: he just goes on a full out assault.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just just snaps and I do I do
Speaker 2: love was like, Magnus, you need to get in here immediately,
Speaker 2: like things, No, this is not good.
Speaker 3: And yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Picks up Charles by the neck, drops them he like
Speaker 2: I said a minute ago. Bishop does nothing. He just
Speaker 2: back in like he's like it's whole holding against some
Speaker 2: undercard guy. Yeah, just flind And yeah I did, but
Speaker 2: I did really love it. And yeah he's going up
Speaker 2: to I love how the mouth opens up and it
Speaker 2: looks like Apocalypse from our like the present time, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was just such a nice touch. As he
Speaker 3: walks up there. But he doesn't get there right away,
Speaker 3: does he, David?
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, So after getting their asses worked by ther
Speaker 1: and he's walking up there. You know, the rest of
Speaker 1: the X Men decide to try and join in, and
Speaker 1: again it's it is. It is not going too well.
Speaker 1: Nightcrawler tries to attacking him. He grabs Nightcrawler by the
Speaker 1: wrist and just rag dolls him. Uh. Rogue is catching
Speaker 1: punches to the guts like everyone at this point is
Speaker 1: catching hands from Nerd. He is just so enraged and
Speaker 1: trying to reach out to his destiny that is calling
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 2: Rogue is one punch at the start when he's not
Speaker 2: expecting it. And remember the listeners, Rogue has the power
Speaker 2: of Captain Marble in this this universe and sends them
Speaker 2: flying and it literally takes him five seconds max. He
Speaker 2: gets up and he bodies Magneto like I've never seen
Speaker 2: anybody bag the Magneto in this show before and just
Speaker 2: tosses him along Saint thing with Bishop and then Nightcrawler
Speaker 2: transports him away and like David said, he breaks Nightcrawler's
Speaker 2: iron and then he just Rogue comes at him and
Speaker 2: he just stops Rogue and he just walks up to
Speaker 2: think there's nobody stop from that.
Speaker 3: It's just like, yeah, here's your bath come out yep.
Speaker 1: So this point Nor becomes fully grabbed it with the
Speaker 1: celestial technology and becomes the Apocalypse that we know now.
Speaker 2: You know, he does speak about thing that he said before,
Speaker 2: which was, I am the rocks of the eternal shore
Speaker 2: crass against me and be broken. So he said that
Speaker 2: in his first ever appearance in X Men, the anime series,
Speaker 2: and this is what.
Speaker 3: Said to him.
Speaker 2: When he's getting his ultimate purpose, which is essentially just
Speaker 2: like a celestial he causes destruction on a universal scale.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So they go to fight a little bit more, and
Speaker 1: again they are just getting battered. Magneto is injured at
Speaker 1: this point and seals a wound with metal and so
Speaker 1: then the team decides, you know, like, hey, maybe we
Speaker 1: need to go back to our timeline. Should we stay,
Speaker 1: should we fight? And once again Magneto decides that he's
Speaker 1: making the choice for them. He uses his powers to
Speaker 1: activate their risk guntlets and he goes to send everyone back,
Speaker 1: except right as he's doing this Apocalypse attack. So Magneto
Speaker 1: and Charles get knocked back and they are still there
Speaker 1: as Apocalypse continues to just go all out beating them down.
Speaker 2: And yeah, Charles isn't much help in this because, as
Speaker 2: with Dixen series, when he uses his mind powers in
Speaker 2: his Apocalypse, it kind of causes him go like, oh,
Speaker 2: I follow that. So yeah, this happens a couple of
Speaker 2: times to him. This Magneto puts up a good fight.
Speaker 2: But when you see to look on Magneto's face when
Speaker 2: Apocalypse rises and gets giant, it's pure to He's like,
Speaker 2: oh she.
Speaker 1: He's like, we are in trouble. Apocalypse you know, talks
Speaker 1: about the attack on his people and the attack on
Speaker 1: his friends, and so he says that Ramatat is going
Speaker 1: to be the first one to fill his wrath and
Speaker 1: order ship to attack Ramatat. Kang, seeing this happening, realizes
Speaker 1: his plan isn't going to come together, so he decided
Speaker 1: that he's going to search for another timeline, leaving Candre
Speaker 1: there because, as he puts it, she still has a
Speaker 1: destiny with Apocalypse. He tells her that the only thing
Speaker 1: that can alan Chimp is something external, which is who
Speaker 1: Cantra eventually becomes as an immortal meatant known as the External.
Speaker 2: She's the one that shows up to the guild right
Speaker 2: when they put gifts to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, yeah, so and then we get a very
Speaker 1: cool scene with ramast when he gets into a ship
Speaker 1: and he dons the King the Conqueror helmet, the green
Speaker 1: and purple, like like the old school the look that
Speaker 1: we know, and he turns with this grin right before
Speaker 1: he blasts off, and it's just like, oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: that that is a absolute cool moment.
Speaker 2: Honestly that I had that thought, and a second thought
Speaker 2: was like, why the hell didn't you do something like
Speaker 2: this for Quantumania where you could have had him.
Speaker 3: Lose, but could have had him piece out too like this,
Speaker 3: That would have.
Speaker 2: Been awesome and instead no, Okay, So that was like
Speaker 2: second or third that I had, but this was so good.
Speaker 3: He just pieces out and leaves her and she is
Speaker 3: not happy. I love it. Yep.
Speaker 1: So this Apocalypse is continuing to fight against Charles Magneto,
Speaker 1: and I mean, he he's got some lines, like he's
Speaker 1: got Charles down. And he tells Charles that he would
Speaker 1: make him a horseman if not for his broken spine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where his lack a spine, And I'm just like, ooh,
Speaker 1: that is like that's a low blow at this point.
Speaker 1: And so with ship going to attack where Ramatut was
Speaker 1: is now created a black hole that is about to
Speaker 1: destroy everything. Magneto is injured, but he's seeing this black
Speaker 1: hole is destroying the city. He decides to go and
Speaker 1: stop it and attempting to bind the black hole with metal.
Speaker 1: Charles doesn't think it will work and thinks that Magneto
Speaker 1: will die in the process, but Magneto ends up being
Speaker 1: able to stop it. There's a big explosion. Magneto was
Speaker 1: falling back down to the sand, but he is still
Speaker 1: alive and really like, oh wow, Magneto, he pulled out
Speaker 1: another one. Cool, cool cool. Charles is laying on the
Speaker 1: ground in the sand. He goes to reach out. He's
Speaker 1: calling for Magneto, and at that point we see with
Speaker 1: Magneto on the ground the sand in the dunes, out
Speaker 1: of the shadows of Pierce, Apocalypse and he just grabs
Speaker 1: Magneto by the head, palming him like a basketball, just
Speaker 1: like yeah, and you know at this point both men
Speaker 1: know what is about to happen, you know, they are
Speaker 1: Charles is trying to apologize to Magneto. Magneto is trying
Speaker 1: out for Charles, and then we see Apocalypse just you know,
Speaker 1: turn his hand into a blaster and put it straight
Speaker 1: to Magneto's back and again another cool way that they
Speaker 1: use eyes in this show. We see this from the reflection,
Speaker 1: the periodic reflection in Charles's eyes as Apocalypse just blast
Speaker 1: away Magneto from the back, killing him and Charles is
Speaker 1: left there as he throws Magneto's helmet down on the
Speaker 1: ground and it just rolls straight to Charles. He walks
Speaker 1: over to Charles and says, you know that there's no
Speaker 1: joy in killing an aunt when you're a god and
Speaker 1: just steps out.
Speaker 2: Him, calling back what Magneto said to him in the
Speaker 2: first episode we saw of him in this season. And
Speaker 2: I've never seen Charles so mad because before he steps
Speaker 2: over him, and as he's walking to him, Charles is
Speaker 2: trash talking him, saying like his mother maybe his mother
Speaker 2: knew that he was this monster, so she gave him up.
Speaker 2: She was smart and too bad he didn't die in
Speaker 2: the desert. And I'm like, oh my god, Charles, like
Speaker 2: this is not that mutants and humans can leave in harmony.
Speaker 2: This is like, this is me the most angry I've
Speaker 2: ever seen him in this entire show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So at that point he steps over Charles, he
Speaker 1: goes on about his way and leaves Charles just laying
Speaker 1: there crying over Magneto's helmet, and he lies there for
Speaker 1: a while until Bishop pops back and comes for Charles,
Speaker 1: and Charles says out aloud, he goes, you know, he
Speaker 1: has realization that they are never going to be able
Speaker 1: to stop Apocalypse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said what Rabataz said was right. We never
Speaker 2: stop him ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is how the show technically ends. But
Speaker 1: this this episode, we have got a post credit scene,
Speaker 1: and again we we have had an episode full of callbacks.
Speaker 1: This post credit scene is a callback in and of itself.
Speaker 1: So we got a callback to an episode of the
Speaker 1: original X Men called Old Soldiers, which was a team
Speaker 1: up episode between Wolverine before he's got his Adamantium and
Speaker 1: Captain America. And like, if you go back and watch
Speaker 1: this episode, they've got some funny play about them, including
Speaker 1: Wolverine asks them, you know, about why he's going on
Speaker 1: the secret missions were in this big red, white, and
Speaker 1: blue and how he'd never be caught dead in it
Speaker 1: and he bets it, itches and everything else.
Speaker 2: So rough animation in that episode as well, that you're
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: Yes, So now we see Wolverine on a rooftop. He
Speaker 1: is in his old Canadian spywear that he wore in
Speaker 1: the episode Old Soldiers. Uh so it's it's literally just
Speaker 1: all black garb in a black skull cap that no
Speaker 1: one's gonna recognize this five foot minutes with hair, but hey,
Speaker 1: it works for him being a spy. He meets with Cap,
Speaker 1: who says it's been a long time, you know, fifty
Speaker 1: years to be exact, since their team up. Black Widow
Speaker 1: joins them on the roof, so we get a nice
Speaker 1: little moment between them. Cap hans Wolverine a file labeled
Speaker 1: webin X and tells him that he can't go after
Speaker 1: them alone. Logan says, don't worry, he's got a crew
Speaker 1: and he's getting the band back together. The next episode
Speaker 1: is titled WEBINX Lies in DVDs, and in the original
Speaker 1: series there was an episode called webinx Lies and Videotapes
Speaker 1: where Wolverine went back to WEBINX and he meets up
Speaker 1: with Sabertooth, Maverick and Silver Fox. So this what I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: If that's the band that he's getting back together.
Speaker 2: I think so, And I've heard I've seen some people
Speaker 2: online complain like I don't want this after that episode.
Speaker 2: You need episodes after these big episodes where people don't
Speaker 2: like big momentum monumental characters. Did you need a few
Speaker 2: episodes to breathe after that? So yeah, I'm really good.
Speaker 2: We're glad we get this, and maybe it'll tie into
Speaker 2: my factor fiction maybe that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will take this over a Mojo episode any day.
Speaker 1: Like you not give me Mojo. You're not bringing back
Speaker 1: you know, Arcade, You're not doing one of these stupid
Speaker 1: silly villains to get them through. So I will take
Speaker 1: you know, a little Wolverine solo episode or you know,
Speaker 1: a callback to re having a a new version of
Speaker 1: an old episode any day rather than some of that
Speaker 1: other stuff. And yeah, after a big moment like the
Speaker 1: way that this ended, the presumed death of Magneto and
Speaker 1: everything else and the X Men feeling like they have
Speaker 1: just lost, sometimes it's good to have a nice little
Speaker 1: palate cleanser before you dive back in. It's good because
Speaker 1: number one, it gives you a moment or two again
Speaker 1: reflect on that other episode, get ready for the next
Speaker 1: number two. Sometimes it's hard when you were the episode
Speaker 1: right after that great episode. Yeah, because people like well
Speaker 1: is good, but it's not as great as the last episode.
Speaker 1: This one is meant to be a polyot cleanser, so
Speaker 1: if it's not a nine point five on your scale,
Speaker 1: that's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And again I'm okay because we're not continuing on
Speaker 2: with the overall story of what just happened. We're going
Speaker 2: with because I think we were told at one point
Speaker 2: that the new the team, the Wolverine and them Ryn,
Speaker 2: they get there two days before Charles's team, So yeah,
Speaker 2: this is I'm assuming this is what's going on in
Speaker 2: the two days that we wait for them to show
Speaker 2: back up from their from their time travel and adventures.
Speaker 3: So I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2: And also there might be reasons why they're doing this
Speaker 2: for Wolverine and part of his story right now too,
Speaker 2: because we haven't seen much of him because even the
Speaker 2: stuff with the Future Brave was doo it mostly was
Speaker 2: focused on Scott Jean and Nathan So and mother of Santi.
Speaker 2: So yeah, completely okay with this. Really excited because I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed that episode that you talked about. Not I
Speaker 2: did enjoy caps appearance and him handing a but man
Speaker 2: that animation in that fifth season, some of the people
Speaker 2: at some of the companies they had doing the animation.
Speaker 3: It was rough, so yeah, it was sad.
Speaker 2: I wish we saw in a previous style, but it's
Speaker 2: really nice just to see cap here and Black Widow
Speaker 2: sneaking up Logan was a nice little touch there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was cool to see Oracle, to see
Speaker 1: him and like it would be fun and interesting to
Speaker 1: see where this next episode goes. Again. It's called webinx
Speaker 1: Lies and DVDs, which I'm hoping is, you know, just
Speaker 1: a continuation or continuing some of the stories that were
Speaker 1: set up in Weapon x Lies and videotapes, and we
Speaker 1: may be seeing Wolverine on his quest to get his
Speaker 1: Adamantium back.
Speaker 3: Yes, I agree all right with that.
Speaker 1: That was episode four in great episode, amazing writing, and
Speaker 1: I think they absolutely just killed it with this. Rise
Speaker 1: of Apocalypse Part two is sitting right now as as
Speaker 1: my favorite overall of the X Men ninety seven we do, and.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. It just passed Jenosha episode for me.
Speaker 2: I can't remember what that episode was called now, but
Speaker 2: that was pretty high stakes too. This is just so great,
Speaker 2: and again I want to give Disney plus because Marvel
Speaker 2: and Disney gets a lot of crap sometimes for some
Speaker 2: of the decisions they make and stuff. Lately with the Genelion,
Speaker 2: I want to give them props because they actually put
Speaker 2: out a thirty minute animated series episode and that doesn't
Speaker 2: happen if it's on cable or on like the old way.
Speaker 2: So I just want to give them a little bit
Speaker 2: of props there because this episode deserved the extra time.
Speaker 2: It needed, some time to breathe some of these conversations,
Speaker 2: some of these debates, and then definitely have it ended
Speaker 2: like giving Charles that extra time of after Magneto dies,
Speaker 2: to have Bishop come back like ten seconds later and
Speaker 2: it be like the whole night and just sit there
Speaker 2: and then when it turns the black, it's day is
Speaker 2: the black for a minute first before it goes right
Speaker 2: away to it all works so well, So just might
Speaker 2: give them props for this whole show with fire.
Speaker 3: On all cylinders.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Episode five from last season, the Jenochia episode is
Speaker 1: called remember it made famous for Game Bit's you know line,
Speaker 1: you know remember it? And between that and the ending
Speaker 1: arc because I I just call it an arc, it was,
Speaker 1: you know, three episodes, so I tie them together. The
Speaker 1: Tolerances Extinction, those were great as well, But right now
Speaker 1: this sits slightly above Remember it just due to all
Speaker 1: the callbacks, all the nostalgia and things like that. As
Speaker 1: this says, it may flip flop back and forth with
Speaker 1: season one episode five, but that one sets such a
Speaker 1: high bar. This is setting such a high bar. I
Speaker 1: think this is going to be an episode that is
Speaker 1: talked about a lot.
Speaker 2: Also depends on what you do with these characters, because
Speaker 2: we can have a little discussion. Now, do you think
Speaker 2: these there's this character and a character from the previous
Speaker 2: season that's going to return, and not only return, will
Speaker 2: they eventually get back on the side of good with
Speaker 2: the good team, And if so, that kind of might
Speaker 2: minimize some of their some of what happens in those
Speaker 2: two episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if we do some time traveling Shenan against two
Speaker 1: episodes from now, and they find a way to bring
Speaker 1: Magneto back, you know, they pull them from a different
Speaker 1: timeline or whatever, then to me, that minimizes this episode
Speaker 1: and it kind of takes it away. I think we
Speaker 1: all know where we're going with Gambit going forward, which
Speaker 1: is going to be becoming a horseman.
Speaker 3: Before I thought we.
Speaker 2: Might have seen him on that tablet too. There is
Speaker 2: a spot where it little.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's got the long hair. The horsemen of
Speaker 1: Death look on there. So I did have a pause
Speaker 1: and like, is that isn't that? But I couldn't say
Speaker 1: with one hundred percent certainty, But you know it, we
Speaker 1: kind of know where they're going with the gambit storyline,
Speaker 1: and if they go with that, and if they falter
Speaker 1: with how they handle the fallout from Magneto, then yes,
Speaker 1: remember it stays in the top spot, but if they
Speaker 1: can do something good with the fallout of Magneto and
Speaker 1: really push that going forward, then I think that this
Speaker 1: does have potential for overtaking it.
Speaker 2: You know what else is nice having complete like they've
Speaker 2: earned with me and having complete faith that they will
Speaker 2: do that, Like, yeah, the right thing with this because
Speaker 2: of Hackwood. They've done the first season and a half
Speaker 2: of this show, so like they've won me over to
Speaker 2: a point where I don't have to worry about any
Speaker 2: crazy decisions. I think they know they understand the characters
Speaker 2: quite well, and if these first four episodes are in
Speaker 2: the indication, they're still in good hands going forward without
Speaker 2: go to the experience.
Speaker 1: Yet, Yeah, I don't have the please don't mess this up.
Speaker 1: Please don't mess this up. Please don't mess this up.
Speaker 1: Feeling when it comes to this and that is good.
Speaker 1: So with that being said again, this is that that
Speaker 1: that that that is fair. That is that is definitely fair.
Speaker 1: So with that being said again, this was episode four,
Speaker 1: Rise of Apocalypse, Part two. We're going to take our
Speaker 1: second ad break before we get into feedback and questions
Speaker 1: plus our factor fiction and everything else from there. So again,
Speaker 1: let's just we don't control the volume. We have a
Speaker 1: chance to turn it down three to one and we're back,
Speaker 1: all right, So put out the call again. I for
Speaker 1: those listening, we are doing a pre tape. This was
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Speaker 1: be back next week as we go into our next episode.
Speaker 1: So with that, let me pull up last week's Factor Fictions,
Speaker 1: and let's see the results of that. So last year's
Speaker 1: Factor Fiction number one. We will hear only one official
Speaker 1: announcement of a new Phase six movie beyond X Men,
Speaker 1: during next year's San Diego Comic Con. That is seventy
Speaker 1: percent fact and thirty percent fiction. Charles, let's say you
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: I voted on all three of these prior and I
Speaker 2: said fact on this one.
Speaker 1: Awesome Number two, we will see a new live action
Speaker 1: Sony Spider Man Universe movie within three years. That one
Speaker 1: got fifty to fifty between the fact and fiction.
Speaker 3: I was a no on that one. I did not
Speaker 3: think that. I don't trust Sony.
Speaker 1: See again, I am fact only because it's a Sony
Speaker 1: Spider Man Universe movie doesn't mean that they're gonna make
Speaker 1: a Spider Man movie, just a universe movie. They're gonna
Speaker 1: pull some random villain out of the hat.
Speaker 3: Just a learned from the universe.
Speaker 1: I guess no, it's it's morbious. Part two. God so
Speaker 1: and then Factor of Fiction number three. By the end
Speaker 1: of spider Man Brand New Day, MJ will regain all
Speaker 1: of her lost memories and remember who Peter Parker really is.
Speaker 1: Sixty seven percent said fact, three percent said fiction.
Speaker 2: Begruly said fact, although I hope it was fiction. I
Speaker 2: wanted him to just spranch off for a little bit.
Speaker 2: For I wanted that to happen in the third.
Speaker 3: Of these new trilogy maybe instead of the first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so so again, those are last week. So mister Hayes,
Speaker 1: what do you have for us this week?
Speaker 2: Mine are very X Men ninety seven centric after going
Speaker 2: through that previous episode, so I wanted to say this
Speaker 2: for the next episode, but I'm going.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I want to give myself some leeway, so I said
Speaker 2: Wolverine will get his animantium skeleton back in the next
Speaker 2: two seasons, so we know this is going on for
Speaker 2: a lot of time.
Speaker 3: So I gave myself a little leeway.
Speaker 2: I wanted to say Wolverem will gives add amanham scale
Speaker 2: back the next episode, but I did not say that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I gave myself a little leeway. I do
Speaker 2: think they're going to do that and give that back name,
Speaker 2: sooner rather than later.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and say fact on this. You know,
Speaker 1: toy Selles rule everything when it comes to these animation projects,
Speaker 1: so they're gonna need the new toys, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: need the we're gonna need the claws out, So I
Speaker 1: think we're probably going to start down the path with
Speaker 1: the next episode. I think this is going to be
Speaker 1: like the Storm situation from last season, where they do
Speaker 1: a little bit of an episode over here with the
Speaker 1: working to get the powers, and we'll do a little
Speaker 1: bit of another episode when he actual gets the Adamancium back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I wasn't sure like when they'll
Speaker 2: do this. Maybe they'll wait until next season to do it,
Speaker 2: so maybe they'll he'll find where to go at the
Speaker 2: end of this next episode. So that's why I wanted
Speaker 2: to give myself a little bit of room. Uh and
Speaker 2: same thing here. I kind of want to say Onslaught
Speaker 2: will appear at the end of this season, but I
Speaker 2: went with Magneto will return.
Speaker 1: I am going to say fact on that because I
Speaker 1: do feel like Onslaught will appear. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it will be this season or next, but I do
Speaker 1: think that they are going to build up two Onslaught.
Speaker 2: So for those establishing I feel like establishing Apocalypse is
Speaker 2: how strong he is and if Onslought comes out and
Speaker 2: takes him out. It's gonna like really like level, like
Speaker 2: show what kind of level he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for those of you who don't know, Onslaught is
Speaker 1: a character that is basically a merging of the minds
Speaker 1: into this pure, just powerful being. Magneto and Charles's Psyche's
Speaker 1: is what created Onslaught.
Speaker 2: So basically looks like Juggernaut and Magneto combined. No offense
Speaker 2: to Charles, but he looks like his brother and Magneto combined.
Speaker 1: Yes, it looks like if Magneto found like this bulking
Speaker 1: mech suit and you know, went all power Rangers and
Speaker 1: jumped into this thing, he goes right like that, That's
Speaker 1: what Onslought looks like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I do think.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I kind of like Magnio storyline is wrapped up
Speaker 2: so well from the first episode of the first of
Speaker 2: X Men and the anime series. To hear, it almost
Speaker 2: is a crime to bring him back. But you've been
Speaker 2: teasing the athlot so much in the last season and
Speaker 2: a half that we're definitely yeah, and the final one here.
Speaker 2: We'll get another Avengers cameo this season, because I think
Speaker 2: delaying the Easter egg for an eventual X Men versus
Speaker 2: an Avengers storyline. We got iron Man and Captain America.
Speaker 2: Last season we got Iron Man and Black Widowed Man.
Speaker 3: So all right, so.
Speaker 1: Let's see we will get another Avengers cameo this season.
Speaker 1: Is that a fact? You know? I'm going to go
Speaker 1: fact on that, even if it's not a full speaking cameo,
Speaker 1: even if they do like they did when they had
Speaker 1: the power out. It's when Magneto was reversing the polls
Speaker 1: and you know, they had Silver Samurai and they had
Speaker 1: Spider Man and Daredevil and all that. Like, I could
Speaker 1: see them doing something like that and us getting another
Speaker 1: one of the Avengers. I would love if we got
Speaker 1: the old the nineties iron Man in the costume, as
Speaker 1: long as they don't do the whole when it in
Speaker 1: the old Iron Man cartoon when they transitioned to that
Speaker 1: weird three D when he was doing his suit up
Speaker 1: like halfway through. As long as we don't get anything
Speaker 1: like that, then I'm fine with it.
Speaker 2: I would love to see Halt too, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you, because we've seen more transform into him and
Speaker 2: just I'd love to see him show up at some point.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: All right, so those are our three again. We will
Speaker 1: put these out on Sunday for you all to vote
Speaker 1: on on the official Twitter, So go out vote for it.
Speaker 1: Let us know we will be returning next week with
Speaker 1: Comic Book Club and did not want to subject mister
Speaker 1: Hines to reading the other It is. It is. It
Speaker 1: is a storyline, but it is not not something I
Speaker 1: would suggect subject someone to unless they absolutely had to
Speaker 1: and concern relying right in the middle of this. So
Speaker 1: we will return next week with the other part two,
Speaker 1: which is out of Marvel Night's Spider Man number nineteen.
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Speaker 1: And I stand the man with say excelsor true Believers?
Speaker 1: Everyone all right, post credits discussion and this is a
Speaker 1: fun one. So I've been sitting on this for a
Speaker 1: while and Chris didn't want to do it because he
Speaker 1: said he absolutely sucks at fancasting, so he.
Speaker 3: I think you take person than Chris.
Speaker 2: When you said this, I was like, I don't know
Speaker 2: any child actors names, and any child actors in twelve,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Know regular actors' names.
Speaker 2: Like I don't even remember the guy I want to say,
Speaker 2: just because he's had some really odd interviews and stuff.
Speaker 3: More is the one.
Speaker 1: Yeah Moore does the voice.
Speaker 3: Like thirty, so he's got an option.
Speaker 2: So uh uh, I don't know their name. But there
Speaker 2: is a guy who plays a kid in Cobra Kai.
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 2: Maybe I can't remember credits, and there's been a lot
Speaker 2: of times I've watched Cobra Kai, but I think you
Speaker 2: should have someone that can even like Tom Holland, like
Speaker 2: is pretty good at the action side of things flips
Speaker 2: and stuff as well. So uh oh my god, I
Speaker 2: feel like his name was Dallas.
Speaker 3: Uh, I can't.
Speaker 1: Remember dallast pretty young. So the question, the question for
Speaker 1: our listeners is with Tom Holland officially saying that he
Speaker 1: wants to mentor a successor the same way Tony Stark
Speaker 1: did for Peter Uh, Like, who is your your fan
Speaker 1: has for a live action Moss And yes, Dallas du
Speaker 1: pretty young would be an amazing, amazing choice. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got the martial arts background and he's got the
Speaker 1: versatility to do that. He can he can move, which
Speaker 1: is something that Tom Holland brought to it with his
Speaker 1: dance background and everything else. He was able to, you know,
Speaker 1: bring that that fluid movement to him as well. So
Speaker 1: I think Dallas would would be an excellent, excellent.
Speaker 3: Choice in uh uh Colbert Pie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, so I said he he would. He would
Speaker 1: be a great choice. I know there has been a
Speaker 1: lot of fan casting for the guy from Stranger Things
Speaker 1: to play it, but Caleb McLoughlin, But I think he
Speaker 1: is probably just he would be a little bit too
Speaker 1: old at this point, like said, we would be going
Speaker 1: relatively young with this.
Speaker 2: Character in time where you want to go with him, right,
Speaker 2: you could just have him being seventeen rating in the
Speaker 2: Continue the World instead of some iterations has him at
Speaker 2: twelve start.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if.
Speaker 2: You can do like seventeen rating, then you can possibly
Speaker 2: finesse it that way and the actor can be a
Speaker 2: bit older and play a bit younger character. But you
Speaker 2: do get in that slippery slope, especially if this is
Speaker 2: a big hit of the character, and he has to
Speaker 2: stay Ryan for a while a certain point, like you
Speaker 2: might get a bit too old looking, So you're right
Speaker 2: about that, Like there is gonna have to be an
Speaker 2: age limit on this character for the actors anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that is going to be the hard thing.
Speaker 1: So do you go so unknown because you want somebody
Speaker 1: young that you can, you know, try and build up
Speaker 1: and keep around, or do you go with someone established
Speaker 1: who's going to be there, you know, or you try
Speaker 1: and find someone who is a mix of the Black
Speaker 1: and Puerto Rican to really sell on that lineage that's
Speaker 1: that is already there for that character. So you know
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of them. There is another kid,
Speaker 1: his name is Lonnie Chavis. He's was on NBC's Uh,
Speaker 1: This is Us and you know, he's been in some
Speaker 1: other stuff. He he kind of fits that mold. And
Speaker 1: then there's Miles Brown from the show black Ish, who
Speaker 1: is an amazing performer, great kid actor, and he is
Speaker 1: also African American, Filipino and Mexican in his heritage. So
Speaker 1: now that's not exactly the Afro Puerto Rican an African
Speaker 1: American background that Miles has, but it is something that
Speaker 1: does represent you know that that mix of people within
Speaker 1: that he.
Speaker 2: Can actually definitely identify with some of the trials that
Speaker 2: a character like Miles go through in the city of
Speaker 2: New York too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it would definitely be believable to see him
Speaker 1: in that place. And Miles has cosplayed and dressed up
Speaker 1: as Miles Miles version of Spider Man a couple of
Speaker 1: times on social media. Like I said, he fits the look.
Speaker 2: Can Travis give just a little bit of history lesson
Speaker 2: advice here? Don't do that going forward. I never Andrew
Speaker 2: Garfield might be the only one, but that was after
Speaker 2: he got the roles, So I don't see many people
Speaker 2: winning the roles when they dress up as him. Just ask,
Speaker 2: oh my god, who is he from Fast and Furious?
Speaker 2: Not Vin Diesel but Tyrese Tyrese. Yeah, he he went
Speaker 2: hard to be Green Lantern, like hard to be Green
Speaker 2: Lantern And yeah.
Speaker 3: Just there's a level with this.
Speaker 2: You got to play it cool at times too, That's
Speaker 2: all because but it would be awesome data. A couple
Speaker 2: of those options that you've thrown out are really really great,
Speaker 2: And like I said, I like for someone to be
Speaker 2: able to do the action part of it, a little
Speaker 2: bit of it like I'm not talking about you, like
Speaker 2: swinging off wires, like leave that to the stump people.
Speaker 2: But like even some of the gymnastics at Tom Holling
Speaker 2: can do sometimes when you see him doing the same
Speaker 2: thing here, like a little bit of gymnastics than that
Speaker 2: moth Brian.
Speaker 3: I looked it up.
Speaker 2: He has a bit background gymnastics, Dan Parkour, So yeah,
Speaker 2: pretty cool, pretty cool choice to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just being able to do some of the some
Speaker 1: of the stuff and be believable in that, because I mean,
Speaker 1: if you don't, if you look stiff and you don't
Speaker 1: look believable, then I'm not going to believe that that's you
Speaker 1: in the suit now, twisting and turning and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff.
Speaker 2: It helps with the Colot suit when you're actually like
Speaker 2: the person like Peter Parter or Miles if you have
Speaker 2: got any fight scenes.
Speaker 3: It helps.
Speaker 2: Go look at the Iron Fist season one, like Cotton Machine,
Speaker 2: because the guy who playing Danny Ran didn't train enough
Speaker 2: in my humble opinion to do some of the stuff,
Speaker 2: and you've see a lot more of his stunt performers.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's just some of the things that help
Speaker 2: get you immersed into the movie world. If you don't
Speaker 2: like see a big stunting pirate there where you see
Speaker 2: that's definitely not the actor.
Speaker 3: That's a stunt person.
Speaker 2: Like we know you're not jumping out of buildings and swinging,
Speaker 2: but like some of this stuff, like you said, it
Speaker 2: really makes us believe that you can be in the
Speaker 2: suit as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I said that again all fun discussion. We
Speaker 1: have no idea who they're going to cast, when they're
Speaker 1: going to cast, if they're even going to cast it.
Speaker 1: We have to get through the next Sony and I
Speaker 1: made it Spider Man first before that's even a discussion
Speaker 1: because I know they don't want to overshadow that with
Speaker 1: any announcements or anything else. So once we finally get
Speaker 1: that in our hands, then we will start to get
Speaker 1: a bitter a better picture painted of what's next.
Speaker 3: You're welcome Chris or Johan and the Grenada. This discussion, I.
Speaker 1: Guess see, it wasn't so bad.
Speaker 3: So no, I'm just not very good at that.
Speaker 2: Like again, I didn't even know the name of the
Speaker 2: Dallas guy, like it took me. I'm not very good
Speaker 2: at the name that people. I've watched shows, but it's
Speaker 2: just hired. I kind of remember their characters more than
Speaker 2: anything else most times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's sometimes that I have to do is
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know this kid from that show. Let
Speaker 1: me go look at that show. Then I'll look him
Speaker 1: up on Internet movie database and grab their name from that.
Speaker 1: So but again, thank you for filling in. Thank you
Speaker 1: for as seeing Chris's stent. Like I said, he will
Speaker 1: be back next week. He's out having a much needed,
Speaker 1: much deserved vacation, so I wish him the best, which
Speaker 1: is the best of your upcoming travels, And it just
Speaker 1: reminds me I need to take a vacation soon. So
Speaker 1: I think at the end of the month, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do a little weekend getaway. Won't miss any showtime,
Speaker 1: but I am going to get away because it's needed.
Speaker 2: It's always nice to get away and recharge the battery. Luckily,
Speaker 2: the in laws have a pool, so I will be
Speaker 2: floating in the pool being third option on the parentmobile
Speaker 2: because the mom takes number one, but the grandma swoop
Speaker 2: seeing and kind of supersedes me. So I'm just going
Speaker 2: to be sitting in the pool, relaxing and enjoying my weekend.
Speaker 3: So thank you for having me, David.
Speaker 2: I love chatting me this stuff, and I really appreciate
Speaker 2: you changing your schedule around to Accommody be is greatly
Speaker 2: appreciate it. And this will not be the last time
Speaker 2: you see me in this season, listeners.
Speaker 3: I was supposed to come for episode.
Speaker 2: One, but I had to get the breaks changed unexpectedly,
Speaker 2: so that kind of made me not make it the
Speaker 2: night before. So yeah, yeah, you will see me again.
Speaker 2: This season is just too fire not to have me
Speaker 2: come back.
Speaker 1: And I will say for a long time, listeners, the
Speaker 1: I feel safe now calling it. We've had back end discussions.
Speaker 1: The streak, I think we can say is officially broken
Speaker 1: on you having the bad weeks. The last three three
Speaker 1: or four have been very fruitful, so I think the
Speaker 1: streak has broken so for years, so that's good. So again, listeners,
Speaker 1: thank you for listening, and we will talk to you
Speaker 1: all later.
Speaker 3: See everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah,