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<v Speaker 1>It's Maria's MutS and Stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>What a great idea on iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Maria's Mutts and Stuff. And with me today

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<v Speaker 1>is the Chief Nutrition Officer of bow Wow Labs, JOHNA.

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<v Speaker 3>Devereaux.

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<v Speaker 1>So, John, I know you're very, very busy, so I

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate that you took some time out today to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about pet stuff. First, let's talk about your job

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<v Speaker 1>at bow Wow Labs. Tell us exactly what your job.

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<v Speaker 4>What your job is, yes, So, as the chief nutrition officer,

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<v Speaker 4>I am primarily there to write blogs and educate and

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<v Speaker 4>form pet parents how to best support their dog's health

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<v Speaker 4>about dog focus. So I do focus mainly on dogs,

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<v Speaker 4>and then as future products come out, I am an

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<v Speaker 4>integral role in the formulation of those products.

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<v Speaker 3>Got it.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a very crucial job when it comes to dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. So I know that Pet Choking Prevention Day

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<v Speaker 1>was this past Saturday, the twenty second, But basically that's

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<v Speaker 1>something pet parents should be concerned with three hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five days a year, twenty four to seven. Correct,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean right, there's always that chance God forbid. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk a little bit about that because I know

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<v Speaker 1>you are pretty much of an expert in that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, I think awareness is the way that you prevent this,

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<v Speaker 4>because if we think about it, choking is one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>percent preventable.

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<v Speaker 1>So I read a stat Is this true that you

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<v Speaker 1>know pet parents spend on VET bills like four hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty million dollars on choking when they're pet Is

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<v Speaker 1>that a correct number?

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<v Speaker 3>Because it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there's and there's over a million visits to veterinarian

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<v Speaker 4>hospitals and emergency clinics each year due to choking alone,

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<v Speaker 4>which is it's incredible. And what's most incredible is that

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<v Speaker 4>no one really has been talking about this.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Something you know, your alarms to hear that, and that

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<v Speaker 4>is the reaction of most pet parents are like, what

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<v Speaker 4>do you mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Dogs can choke? And it is a very common occurrence.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, I mean I know it is just from having

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<v Speaker 1>dogs all these years. But I was just blown away

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<v Speaker 1>by the number and also over a million pet visits

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<v Speaker 1>and you're right, it's not very I feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things that's not talked about a lot

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<v Speaker 1>actually at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, right, it's not, and it's you know, I think

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<v Speaker 4>when you create awareness, then you are allowing and empowering

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<v Speaker 4>a pet parent to be the best pet parent they

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<v Speaker 4>can be and setting up dogs for success and cats too.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's a little bit different. Dogs normally, what

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to choke on most of the time is

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<v Speaker 4>going to be food related versus cats, which are going

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<v Speaker 4>to be non food related. And so when we think

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<v Speaker 4>about how dogs are going to choke, it's because they're

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<v Speaker 4>either getting a chew or treat that is too small,

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<v Speaker 4>or if it's a long term chew, you know, they're

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<v Speaker 4>putting it in their pause and when they get down

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<v Speaker 4>to that last one inch they no longer have that

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<v Speaker 4>tactile ability to hold on to it, so they put

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<v Speaker 4>it in their mouth and then they usually swallow it whole.

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<v Speaker 4>And that can present a variety of different potential hazards.

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<v Speaker 2>One being a full.

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<v Speaker 4>Obstruction where there is no air going down the trachea,

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<v Speaker 4>so there's sutt of stress and there's panic, but they're

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<v Speaker 4>not breathing. It can also be potentially a partial obstruction,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, it's not as much of an emergency

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<v Speaker 4>per se, but it's still an emergency.

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<v Speaker 2>Right Sure, your dog is getting the breathing.

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<v Speaker 4>Is labored, but it hasn't completely stopped, but there is

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<v Speaker 4>that partial obstruction. And then the i'll say best case

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<v Speaker 4>scenario with air quotes, it would be in a steel

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<v Speaker 4>obstruction where it has gone down into the esophagus and

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<v Speaker 4>has become lodged, thinking like perpendicular to the esophagus. So

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<v Speaker 4>you'll notice that your dog is potentially, you know, rubbing

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<v Speaker 4>their net against the rug trying to kind of move

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<v Speaker 4>something down their throat. All three occurrences would obviously require

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<v Speaker 4>veterinary care even been able to remove the obstruction, which

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<v Speaker 4>I'd like to talk about in a minute, but you

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<v Speaker 4>know that's going to be the way for food and treats.

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<v Speaker 4>And then another really common occurrence with dogs are balls.

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<v Speaker 4>People love to play ball with their dogs as much

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<v Speaker 4>as their dogs love to play ball, but a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people are giving balls that are too small for

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<v Speaker 4>their dogs. I really should not fit inside a dog's

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<v Speaker 4>mouth because if it does, has the potential to go

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<v Speaker 4>right up against that airway if they're too aggressive as

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<v Speaker 4>they go to catch it in the air, and that

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<v Speaker 4>can block that that airway. So cats, it's a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit different. We think like tinsel, hair bands, hair ties,

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<v Speaker 4>plastic bags or plastic pieces because they're just mischievous and

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<v Speaker 4>get into everything and just try to swallow.

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<v Speaker 3>The right but just as bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hazard it sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm honestly, as you're talking and talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>it just brought back a memory of and my last dog.

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<v Speaker 1>I stopped giving him raw hide the raw hide sticks

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, we know, and we're eating something when

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<v Speaker 1>you get to the end, like if you're eating a popsicle,

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<v Speaker 1>you stop when you get actually to the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the cardboard thing, whatever, the wooden stick. But with a dog,

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<v Speaker 1>they just keep going and I just remember, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the dog is like is choking. So yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just listening to you, it's bringing back all those memories,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just the easiest thing was okay, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>not going to give this to you anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I had a similar experience, and I think a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of pet parents have and we do tend to

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<v Speaker 4>kind of push it out of our mind. Luckily for me,

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't have you know, any hazard vet resulted in

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<v Speaker 4>my dog's going to the vet. But the same was

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<v Speaker 4>with bully sticks, and I took bully sticks away. It

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<v Speaker 4>was only when I started working for bow Wow Labs

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<v Speaker 4>and understood they were there was a safety device, right

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<v Speaker 4>that was meant to hold these sticks to prevent them

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<v Speaker 4>getting to that last one inch. And I jokingly say,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the Bowou Buddy and working at Bowou Labs

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<v Speaker 4>brought ballistics back into my dog's lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Eve.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, and the c's.

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<v Speaker 2>Been happier ever since.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, there's a lot of devices on the market now

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<v Speaker 4>that are you know, available that provide that sense of

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<v Speaker 4>security with the asterisk. Right, No matter how much you do,

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<v Speaker 4>you should never leave your dog unattended with something consumable.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a rule that.

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<v Speaker 4>I live by if if I give my dog a

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<v Speaker 4>treat and I can't get to the front door, look

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<v Speaker 4>back and see that it is completely swallowed and consumed,

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<v Speaker 4>I do not give that treat because anything, if you

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<v Speaker 4>think about it, could be a choking hazard. If you

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<v Speaker 4>have you know, an aggressive chewer, or an excitable cheer,

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<v Speaker 4>or an inhaler. You know, some of a dog that

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<v Speaker 4>gulps even the smallest of treats can go down, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and issues.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you always be.

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<v Speaker 4>Aware of the duration that something takes to be consumed

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<v Speaker 4>and make sure you're there because if something goes wrong,

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<v Speaker 4>you can actually act and help to prevent what could

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<v Speaker 4>be a tragedy.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right now, it's a very good rule. I like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna remember that. That's good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's common sense, but it makes sense, and it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of those rules that's so simple.

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<v Speaker 3>But a lot of people don't think about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, a lot of people think, you know that I'm

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<v Speaker 4>going you know, I'm leaving the house, my dog's gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be bored, and they use consumable choes with dogs specifically

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<v Speaker 4>to entertain them in their absence, right, And what I

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<v Speaker 4>charge people to do is that's a great idea, but

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<v Speaker 4>let's not do it in that capacity. Let's leave out

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<v Speaker 4>a lick matt. Let's leave out you know, a frozen

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<v Speaker 4>tree filled puzzle toy or something. They're not going to

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<v Speaker 4>have that potential to swallow it whole or a piece

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<v Speaker 4>of it the wrong way, because that would be I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>that would be the worst way to come home.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, of course, every pet owner's nightmare. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, the absolute worst.

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<v Speaker 3>But no, but that's it. That's a very good that's

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<v Speaker 3>very smart.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are there are so many alternatives then leaving

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<v Speaker 1>you know, your dog behind with something that you think, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna leave him with a bully stick or raw

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<v Speaker 1>hide or whatever so he doesn't chew the couch, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, no, not a good idea. Yeah, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>those are all very good for people to know about

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<v Speaker 1>to prevent a dog choking. What this is probably common

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<v Speaker 1>sense because my thought is anytime my dog was choking,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be to open his mouth and get whatever

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<v Speaker 1>he's choking on out of his throat. Is that the

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<v Speaker 1>first best thing that we can all do?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I would say the first thing that you have

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<v Speaker 4>to do is stay calm, right of course, yes. Or

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<v Speaker 4>you know, dogs and cats their energy beings and they're

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<v Speaker 4>going to feel your energy if you're stressed and if

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<v Speaker 4>you're nervous, correct to be cautious, especially around dogs, because

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<v Speaker 4>if they are in a state of distress.

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<v Speaker 2>They could unintentionally bite.

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<v Speaker 4>Should just be you want to open wealth and you

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<v Speaker 4>want to look in before you just start randomly putting

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<v Speaker 4>your finger in their mouth, because if something is blocking

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<v Speaker 4>able to do they call a finger sweep, where you

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<v Speaker 4>take your finger and come from the side and remove

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<v Speaker 4>it from the airway. But you have to be really

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<v Speaker 4>careful because there is the potential that you push it

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<v Speaker 4>down further. So you have to be calm, and you

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<v Speaker 4>have to be, you know, very much in a state

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<v Speaker 4>of is this something that I can do? And if not,

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<v Speaker 4>have someone you know driving a car as you're on

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<v Speaker 4>the phone with your pet with you, or if you're alone,

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<v Speaker 4>get in the car with your pet and immediately calling

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<v Speaker 4>as you're driving, because time.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a essence. Sure, but I alas encourage every pet

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<v Speaker 2>parent to do a CPR class.

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<v Speaker 4>There are a lot of classes that are online right now,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't. I prefer to do them in person because

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<v Speaker 4>I like actually being able to work on a mannequin.

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like, just for myself personally, it just kind

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<v Speaker 4>of sank in all of the techniques. But just having

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<v Speaker 4>that that level of education as to what to do

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<v Speaker 4>makes you better prepared. God forbid you ever need it.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's not as you're not as panic stricken.

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<v Speaker 3>Right and you're talking about a human CPR.

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<v Speaker 1>Class, correct, Oh, a specific one for animals?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so American Red Cross has them.

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<v Speaker 4>You can I mean, gosh, what's available today that wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>twenty years ago? Sure, go on, just say PETSPR course

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<v Speaker 4>in my in my area, and you'll probably find four

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<v Speaker 4>or five that you can go to or ask your

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<v Speaker 4>vet if they know of someone reputable. And I would,

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great idea. That's really a great idea. I

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<v Speaker 2>You know, how the how the animal is going to

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, no, that's that's real. I mean that's genius.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great idea, And especially now you know in

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<v Speaker 1>know there are people who are listening to go, what's

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<v Speaker 1>a phone book? But these are great tips. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit. Because I went to bow Wow Labs,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had never seen that before. So let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit about the device that you know holds

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<v Speaker 1>onto the stick so to help prevent the animal from choking.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I have to be honest, I never saw that

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<v Speaker 1>before and I'm like, wow, that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we created the category.

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<v Speaker 4>So back in twenty eighteen, we were the first brand

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<v Speaker 4>the last twelve to eighteen months, there's been a lot

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<v Speaker 4>Thank god, you know, the dog survived and at leaving

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<v Speaker 4>he said, you know, what do I do? Because I

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<v Speaker 4>want to give my dog the benefits and the vet said, no,

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<v Speaker 4>just don't give a bully stick ever again. And the

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<v Speaker 4>pet parent went, you know, Scott is his name went

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<v Speaker 4>back and was like, well, I don't like that answer,

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<v Speaker 4>which I wouldn't have liked that answer, sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, well, don't ever own a dog again, Like, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the answer, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not going to work for me at home.

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<v Speaker 4>And he saw the only thing online regarding advice was

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<v Speaker 4>to give it advice gripts, which is a big no, right,

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<v Speaker 4>don't ever give vice grips attached to a coople to

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So he designed.

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<v Speaker 4>This safety device where it allows the dog to put

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<v Speaker 4>of long term choes like bully sticks and collagen sticks

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<v Speaker 4>and cheese chews without that tazard of swallowing that last

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<v Speaker 4>one inch. And I will say a lot of people say, well,

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<v Speaker 4>if it's so much of a risk, why give my

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's one that makes sense. The oder is

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<v Speaker 4>that providing choose to dogs offers a variety of benefits.

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<v Speaker 4>So it offers mental stimulation. As we kind of mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 4>the act of chewing actually stimulates and releases neurotransmitters that

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<v Speaker 4>helps to relieve stress and anxiety. It's one of those

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<v Speaker 4>reasons that when dogs are stressed, they're chewing on stuff, correct,

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<v Speaker 4>So if an appropriate outlet to chew, and it also

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<v Speaker 4>provides a mechanical action in the mouth to help reduce

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<v Speaker 4>plaque and to stimulate saliva, which is going to provide

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<v Speaker 4>oral health benefits. And then of course our dogs love,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, love to chew on things, right for all

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<v Speaker 4>of the above reasons, but also because it tastes good,

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, I think the fact of the matter

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<v Speaker 4>is is that the bow Wow Buddy provides a solution

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<v Speaker 4>to a common issue and still allows a dog to

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<v Speaker 4>have all of the benefits and enjoyment of the chewing experience, which,

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<v Speaker 4>let's be honest, it's it's instinctual.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course they're trying to chew, So.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, that makes sense. It's it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's very true, and you're right, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>what it Besides all of the benefits for a dog

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<v Speaker 1>to chew, it's what they're meant to do. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like dogs need a job and all the things

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<v Speaker 1>that people don't realize, like, oh, you mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just here to lay around my house so I can

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<v Speaker 1>pet it. No, that's not the only reason, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>So you could keep your dog very happy. And if

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<v Speaker 1>your dog is probably satisfied.

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<v Speaker 3>And not destructive.

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<v Speaker 1>And that, you know, because too many dogs wind up

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<v Speaker 1>back in shelters because people don't know how.

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<v Speaker 3>To deal with a dog being a dog, right.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't, they don't understand it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I hate to say it, but it's very

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<v Speaker 4>common that dogs aren't getting the exercise they need exact

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<v Speaker 4>And one of that's great about chewing is that mental

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<v Speaker 4>simulation does kind of tire them out.

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<v Speaker 4>A as a clinical pet nutritionist, I'm going to say,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you give them the choose, but you also

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<v Speaker 4>have to modify the lifestyle to make her a happy dog. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>you have to give them what they what craven are

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<v Speaker 1>Know you're you're you're so correct in so many ways.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel like we can say this until

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<v Speaker 1>we're blue in the face and people are starting to

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<v Speaker 1>realize it more than before. But yes, and that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean just letting your dog out in the backyard to

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<v Speaker 1>come back. That's not the exercise it needs, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean it's absolutely not. And I will say

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<v Speaker 4>one of the most beautiful things about having a partnership

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<v Speaker 4>with with dogs different than cats for obvious reasons. But

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<v Speaker 4>with dogs is you mentioned earlier that they're not just

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<v Speaker 4>there so that we can pet them.

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<v Speaker 3>And love them.

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<v Speaker 4>Is bi directional and there is no better way to

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<v Speaker 4>bond with your dog than to enjoy nature with them.

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<v Speaker 4>Too many of us are stuck inside and we don't

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<v Speaker 4>breathe oxygen, and we don't get sunlight anymore. We're just

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<v Speaker 4>like we become in our surroundings. And having a dog

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<v Speaker 4>allows you an opportunity to have an excuse I have

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<v Speaker 4>to go outside right, bond and you both get to

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<v Speaker 4>enjoy the exercise. You know, You're both bodies end up

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean, and you can talk to any

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<v Speaker 1>dog behaviorists, any dog trainer. That's the rule one oh one.

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<v Speaker 1>Take your dog out for a walk, and it's great

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<v Speaker 1>for you as well. Walking's the best exercise. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody always wants to be in better shape. Take your

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<v Speaker 1>dog out for a walk, and you're right, it's all connected.

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<v Speaker 4>So and if you're bored, get a weighted vest that'll

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, yes, yes, absolutely no, you're right. You're

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<v Speaker 1>so right on all of this, all these points, but

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<v Speaker 1>especially on that. So okay, So for my listeners who

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<v Speaker 1>are intrigued, just like I was, by the bow Wow buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>you can definitely check it out at bow Wow labs

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<v Speaker 1>dot com because I thought that was a really cool

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<v Speaker 1>It's a cool little gadget and it's perfect and for

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<v Speaker 1>all the reasons that you can still like you said

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<v Speaker 1>that you should and still could give a stick to

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<v Speaker 1>your dog. So well, JOHNA, this has been very informative,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really do appreciate all of your knowledge, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, from all of your knowledge and expertise in

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<v Speaker 1>this and sharing it with us, because you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, dogs can choke, cats can choke all year.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just because the prevention Day was one day

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<v Speaker 1>in June. So right, yeah, well, thank you, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do appreciate you so Johnna Devereaux, thank you for all

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<v Speaker 1>your expertise as always and as I said before, definitely

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<v Speaker 1>check out bow Wow labs dot com for more information.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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