Speaker 1: It's a nicety. Dan Ray Undelling Mazy Boston's News.
Speaker 2: Radio, Welcome back everyone. This is Dan Ray and Boston
Speaker 2: along with you. I have listened here on CBS News.
Speaker 2: I also watched it on a television set, and just
Speaker 2: as Larry Sabato talked about the nineteen sixty debate between
Speaker 2: Kennedy and Nixon, Larry Sabato from the University of Virginia
Speaker 2: said that that debate was won by Kennedy on how
Speaker 2: he looked. Uh, that is what I thought tonight. I
Speaker 2: want to get your response number six, one, seven, two,
Speaker 2: four to ten thirty, triple eight, nine, two, nine, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: I thought that the winners tonight were the candidates. I
Speaker 2: thought that the candidates had better answers than the moderators
Speaker 2: had questions. I thought that there were a number of
Speaker 2: subjects which were not touched. For example, there was no conversation,
Speaker 2: not a word about Ukraine. There was not a conversation
Speaker 2: about Russia and whether or not it's an expansionist country
Speaker 2: at this point. There was no or little comment about
Speaker 2: crime in US cities. If I'm someone who lives in
Speaker 2: a US city, I don't think there was any question
Speaker 2: that really touched on crime. There was a question on
Speaker 2: gun control, but not on crime. There was no question
Speaker 2: on the expansion of China, China's efforts to expand and
Speaker 2: extend its influence throughout Asia. There was no question about
Speaker 2: the long shoreman strike and the supply chain, the impact
Speaker 2: it might have on the supply chain. There was no
Speaker 2: question about the anti semitism, not only on college campuses
Speaker 2: but across this country. There was no question about college loans.
Speaker 2: There was no question about energy in the future of energy.
Speaker 2: There was question about climate change, but there was no
Speaker 2: question about something even as simple as airline delays. Think
Speaker 2: about last winter, the amount of airline delays that people
Speaker 2: dealt with in this country. The questions, Well, let me
Speaker 2: give you my verdict on the debate, and I'll be
Speaker 2: interested to see what you say. I think that JD.
Speaker 2: Vance was the winner of this debate tonight. As a
Speaker 2: matter of fact, I thought that both Vance not only
Speaker 2: did much better. The question I would have is why
Speaker 2: is he not at the top of the Republican ticket.
Speaker 2: That would be my question, And I'll tell you why
Speaker 2: I think Vance won the debate tonight. I think Vance
Speaker 2: won the debate tonight in large part because of how
Speaker 2: controlled he was. His answers were precise, much more precise
Speaker 2: than Governor wallts Waltz. I thought did very well. But
Speaker 2: I think that if I had to call a winner,
Speaker 2: I'm going to call it J. D. Vince Now Vance
Speaker 2: had more on the line tonight. According to an NBC
Speaker 2: recent NBC Heart Research and Associate's Public Opinion Strategies poll,
Speaker 2: Vance was hardly known by the American people. Has a
Speaker 2: positive rating in September before this debate of only thirty
Speaker 2: two percent. He had a negative rating. And again, the
Speaker 2: way we group this, it's either the people have given
Speaker 2: five choices, as we talked about this last night, very positive,
Speaker 2: somewhat positive, neutral, somewhat negative, very negative. So Vance is
Speaker 2: positive combined very positive and somewhat positive with thirty two
Speaker 2: was thirty two. His somewhat negative and very negative combined
Speaker 2: is forty five, so he was he's in effect at
Speaker 2: minus thirteen if you want to look at it that way.
Speaker 2: Tim Walls before tonight very positive or somewhat positive forty
Speaker 2: and somewhat negative and very negative three. So Tim Walls
Speaker 2: was a plus seven. I thought that that I thought
Speaker 2: that the this is why I think the debate is
Speaker 2: different by the result is different. Both candidates were on
Speaker 2: camera during the well virtually the entirety of the debate,
Speaker 2: except for when the moderators were posing their questions, so
Speaker 2: we can get to some of those as well. Vance
Speaker 2: looked controlled, responsive, engaged, and not often surprised. Walls looked
Speaker 2: oftentimes frazzled. He sometimes had the look of your crazy
Speaker 2: uncle at Thanksgiving. A couple of times on a side
Speaker 2: shot almost looked like Don Rickles. The appearance of these
Speaker 2: two men tonight, of course, there is a generational difference.
Speaker 2: One is sixty and one is just turned forty, and
Speaker 2: that played the Vance's at Vance's advantage. I want to
Speaker 2: commend both of them for the way that they handled themselves,
Speaker 2: and I also want to commend both of them for
Speaker 2: shaking hands at the end, and their wives came up
Speaker 2: and they exchanged pleasantries, and then they went and they
Speaker 2: talked with the moderators. The moderators tried, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: to be as fair as they could. But the only time,
Speaker 2: the only time that one of the candidates was really
Speaker 2: stopped would be when Viance was being stopped by Margaret Brennan.
Speaker 2: And I think that she showed she didn't give Vance
Speaker 2: an opportunity to She's talked over him, which was unnecessary.
Speaker 2: The only person who appeared rude, in my opinion, during
Speaker 2: the debate tonight was Margaret Brennan. So I've just got
Speaker 2: the one minute mark from now less than a minute
Speaker 2: from Rob. So now you know what, I think we
Speaker 2: can talk about the issues that were discussed, and it
Speaker 2: was a very high level debate. I got to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, I think either of them could be
Speaker 2: a presidential candidate.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: Six one seven, two, five, four ten thirty. Six one seven, nine, three,
Speaker 2: one ten thirty. Those are the phone numbers. Let's light
Speaker 2: him up. The six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: They are already packed. Six one, seven, nine three, one
Speaker 2: ten thirty. Those lines are available. Let's light him up.
Speaker 2: As I looked at the biographies of Tim Walls and JD. Vance, Uh,
Speaker 2: Tim Walls was born in nineteen sixty four, so he
Speaker 2: has just turned sixty.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: JD. Vance is born in nineteen eighty four. Uh in August,
Speaker 2: so he has just turned forty. Tim Walls in the
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties. I'm trying to figure this out here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he would have been a school teacher, an elementary school teacher,
Speaker 2: UH in the nineteen nineties. And I think he said
Speaker 2: he taught in the fourth grade. He could have been
Speaker 2: teaching in the fourth grade. What defense would have been
Speaker 2: in the fourth grade. Obviously he was teaching in I
Speaker 2: guess either Nebraska or Minnesota, and Vance would have been
Speaker 2: going to school in Ohio or Kentucky. But it just
Speaker 2: twenty years makes quite a difference. So when I guess
Speaker 2: you're in the fourth grade, probably when you're ten, I guess.
Speaker 2: And Tim Walls could have been a fourth grade teacher
Speaker 2: when jad Vance was ten and Tim Walls then would
Speaker 2: have been about thirty. Seems like a big difference then. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I like to play with numbers. The subjects that were touched.
Speaker 2: You know, he started with Israel, which is fine. They
Speaker 2: talked about Hurricane Helene, which got the climate change. Immigration
Speaker 2: was touched. They talked about various economic plans, of leadership qualities, abortion,
Speaker 2: which Walsh had much the best of that argument, gun control,
Speaker 2: housing in rent, the childcare crisis, and the state of democracy. UH,
Speaker 2: subjects that I think most of us are very familiar with.
Speaker 2: But as I indicated, it was interesting the number of
Speaker 2: subjects that were not discussed, and including big subjects like Ukraine,
Speaker 2: which I thought that would have should have been discussed,
Speaker 2: I think, and uh, there were there were a lot
Speaker 2: of subjects China should have been discussed. Let's go to
Speaker 2: the phone. It's going to start off with Matt down
Speaker 2: in Florida. Let me see what what Matt thinks about
Speaker 2: tonight's debate. Now, what'd you think?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 6: I thought that was the best debate since Romney and
Speaker 6: Obama just too you know, intelligent people with a handle
Speaker 6: on reality. And they were both really amicable towards each other,
Speaker 6: if that's the right word, and they were just very
Speaker 6: I mean, that's that's America right there. That being said,
Speaker 6: I think jd. Vance whipped his button like all over
Speaker 6: the floor. Like it's not even close. But I thought
Speaker 6: Waltz overperformed from his from what people thought he was
Speaker 6: gonna do.
Speaker 2: Wat he handled himself fine. I certainly don't think it
Speaker 2: was a knockout. But I think if I was scoring
Speaker 2: it as a judge, I would have to give it
Speaker 2: very clearly to Vance. And I don't think that the
Speaker 2: the head on camera shots of each Uh when when
Speaker 2: Vance was speaking, you had Waltz looking over, sometimes seemingly confused.
Speaker 2: When Waltz was speaking, Vance looked quite at ease. I
Speaker 2: would you agree with that or no?
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, totally.
Speaker 6: I mean obviously that's going to have an effect on voters,
Speaker 6: which it shouldn't, but I mean, yeah, I mean totally.
Speaker 6: I thought that was I thought that certain points Walls
Speaker 6: looked pretty uh like stunned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt that they split screen.
Speaker 5: And when you said he looked like Don Rickles, I
Speaker 5: just burst out laughing. It's hilarious. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: it's hilarious. It's just so funny. Look both of them.
Speaker 5: It was just a real good debate. I mean, none
Speaker 5: of them were outrageous on anything either one of them said.
Speaker 5: And I think Vance really did a great job kind of,
Speaker 5: you know, coming towards the middle, saying, listen, US Republicans
Speaker 5: are really off base on a lot of these things,
Speaker 5: but you know, this is how, this is how, this is.
Speaker 6: How we're going to kind of get to it, and
Speaker 6: this side they've just been awful at trying to on
Speaker 6: its effect on their effectiveness when they need to go.
Speaker 2: I thought Vance's weakest point was when I think walt
Speaker 2: asked him, you know who won the election in twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: And I actually missed that point part.
Speaker 2: That was that was the last question.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they can't get over that.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 5: They just they can't get over that.
Speaker 7: They just can't.
Speaker 2: I think that I think that that there are answers
Speaker 2: that the advance could have appeared better. He could have said, look,
Speaker 2: there are some Republicans who dealt the result of the election,
Speaker 2: but the election is done. Joe Biden was took the
Speaker 2: oath of office. I mean, there's a there's a lot
Speaker 2: of ways to answer that, but it almost as if
Speaker 2: he was in fear of contradicting his running mate President Trump.
Speaker 2: So that's all right.
Speaker 5: And then just the last point i'd say is uh
Speaker 5: actually but uh second to last point, I'd make it
Speaker 5: just wow, pretty pathetic that Biden couldn't call on net Yahoo.
Speaker 5: That's a whole other topic, but that's uh, yeah, we'll
Speaker 5: hit we'll.
Speaker 2: Hit that tomorrow night. I was not aware that that
Speaker 2: Biden not called today.
Speaker 6: He never called him, He never went onto a video
Speaker 6: chat or anything. He just was kind of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: that happened today, Like I mean, it's just a complete disgrace.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that's that's the penultimate point, what's your all?
Speaker 6: A good point, and the ultimate point was, I mean
Speaker 6: this media, they just can't handle themselves. They kind of
Speaker 6: interrupt the guy and then I mean, it's just so
Speaker 6: transparent what they're doing. I mean, I mean, it's to watch.
Speaker 2: Brent Brennan played the role of David Muir in.
Speaker 5: My opinion, right Oh, it's it's a disgrace and everyone
Speaker 5: sees it and it only helps Trump in advance, honestly.
Speaker 5: But I mean there's a that's.
Speaker 6: Like, you know, like uh uh home home radio there.
Speaker 5: Just like it's just a disgrace. It's just a disgrace.
Speaker 5: But that's the things.
Speaker 2: Then, well they say the subjects that weren't touched were
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 6: Some state radio is what I meant to say, or
Speaker 6: like state television, like state run television.
Speaker 5: Right there, that's like a distress.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks, I appreciate Thanks, buddy, talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling here, going to go to Sander in Boston. Sandra,
Speaker 2: you're next on Nightsiger, right ahead. Dan.
Speaker 8: I had a couple of issues.
Speaker 9: One was.
Speaker 8: When they started talking about January sixth, Yes, within the
Speaker 8: last week, Representative Very louder Milk got a hold of
Speaker 8: some transcripts, yes, of what President Trump actually asked of
Speaker 8: General Mark Milly, and I don't see how we can
Speaker 8: continue to talk about January sixth without publicizing what those
Speaker 8: transcripts said, because it was very clear that President Trump
Speaker 8: three days before January sixth asked General Mark Milly to
Speaker 8: do whatever he had to do, soldiers, national Guard, whatever,
Speaker 8: make the event safe. Now that came out about a
Speaker 8: week and a half ago. Representative Very louder Milk got
Speaker 8: the transcripts.
Speaker 2: I read those transcripts and I agree with you, and
Speaker 2: I think that the Republicans need to circulate that. But
Speaker 2: again it gets back to your con not you. I'm
Speaker 2: not blaming you, but it's over. Joe Biden won the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty election. Joe Biden was inaugurated president on January twentieth,
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. He's been president now for about forty
Speaker 2: five months. He's got about three or four months left
Speaker 2: in his term October November December, so he's he's been
Speaker 2: president for forty four months. To not blaming you, I
Speaker 2: think if the Republicans were smart, they would do an
Speaker 2: ad and highlight what those documents say. But they I
Speaker 2: think this member of Congress had to pry those from
Speaker 2: the January sixth committee.
Speaker 8: If I'm not mistaken, Yes, but I think there are
Speaker 8: consequences to the twentieth the election that we are dealing
Speaker 8: with right now, and we have a current Secretary of
Speaker 8: State who utilized the CIA to encourage fifty one INTEL
Speaker 8: operators to write a letter that definitely altered the perception
Speaker 8: of the voting public, and we are paying the consequences
Speaker 8: of that because we have a Secretary of State, Anthony Blencoln,
Speaker 8: who is directly benefited and was from that. But was
Speaker 8: he the right person for the job?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well again that gets into look, well, you're.
Speaker 8: Not supposed to use the CIA in a domestic Well,
Speaker 8: of course not, of course not.
Speaker 2: And there were others who were used with that that
Speaker 2: to and what the letter said was that the release
Speaker 2: they used, they used the words very carefully. It said,
Speaker 2: it has all the trademark, has all the trade marks
Speaker 2: of a Russian disinformation campaign, and that should.
Speaker 8: Not be involved in our domestic election period.
Speaker 2: I think there's any question about that, Sandra. So I'm
Speaker 2: assuming you were Were you pleased with Vance's performance tonight
Speaker 2: or no?
Speaker 8: I thought every I thought both of them did sign,
Speaker 8: and that they brought up interesting points. And I found
Speaker 8: this debate more tolerable than the last one.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, absolutely. I mean I thought that, and
Speaker 2: I thought the fact that they shook hands and they
Speaker 2: spoke at the end. I liked that, and and I
Speaker 2: hope the American public saw it. I never saw they
Speaker 2: did show when they when they first came on stage.
Speaker 2: I'm they just the first shot of them. They were
Speaker 2: both standing behind their podiums, unlike the ABC debate where
Speaker 2: it showed the vice president coming out, and she was
Speaker 2: the vice president was the one initiated the handshake with
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. She actually went over to him, uh and
Speaker 2: and had to kind of move to the back of
Speaker 2: his diais in order to get a handshake. Anyway, Sandra's
Speaker 2: always I appreciated very much. Thank you for taking the
Speaker 2: time to call all all interesting points, all interesting points.
Speaker 2: Thanks Andrew nine two good night, six seven two thirty
Speaker 2: one line there six one seven, nine ten thirty. If
Speaker 2: you listened to or watched the debate, tell me and
Speaker 2: tell my audience in thirty eight states and across America.
Speaker 2: What did what did you think? What stood out? I
Speaker 2: think you've heard my comments on it. I want to
Speaker 2: hear yours. Uh. If you think that one of the
Speaker 2: candidates just was outstanding, that's fine. Tell me why if
Speaker 2: you think that one of the candidates. I think that
Speaker 2: that they both did good jobs for their campaign. But
Speaker 2: I do think that Van one his his answers were
Speaker 2: very crisp. For the most part, they attempted to answer
Speaker 2: the questions. Walls got hung up on the Tianaman Square,
Speaker 2: which is a lot of inside baseball. By the way,
Speaker 2: I'll give you that. The only line open right now
Speaker 2: is six one. Love to hear from you. We'll be
Speaker 2: back on night Side right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's keep rolling. You're gonna go to David in
Speaker 2: San Francisco. David next on Nightside, Go right ahead.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, hey Dan, Yeah, I'm of course disappointed with Trump,
Speaker 9: but it's more along the lines that.
Speaker 5: You know, the.
Speaker 9: Climate change denial is getting Americans killed.
Speaker 2: David is to talk about who you think won the
Speaker 2: debate tonight. Would you like to comment on that?
Speaker 9: Who won it? All the people at wals of course,
Speaker 9: because he does believe that climate change is real and
Speaker 9: Vance does not. And so America's money met past billions
Speaker 9: of dollars have been wasted because of the cow towing
Speaker 9: to the polluters that have caused climate change and.
Speaker 5: The idea of that.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about the poes in China and Pakistan.
Speaker 2: I assume.
Speaker 9: We outsourced jobs to them, and now the pollution is
Speaker 9: over in their yard. But these are American or international
Speaker 9: corporations that are polluting over there. So that's a dirty,
Speaker 9: dirty answer.
Speaker 2: That's one question on the debate tonight. And for you,
Speaker 2: that was it pretty much. I guess right.
Speaker 9: Climate change is real, and the fact that we have
Speaker 9: two candidates, well, we'll.
Speaker 2: Talk about climate change some night. We want to talk
Speaker 2: about climate change. Left, have you called back? We could?
Speaker 2: We could spend a whole hour on climate change. We
Speaker 2: talk about that often. Actually, David, thanks very much for
Speaker 2: the call. Appreciated. Let me go to on dot and
Speaker 2: med for Dot next on Nightsig go ahead.
Speaker 10: Hi Dan. Of course, I watched the whole debate Sat
Speaker 10: Baron looked at everything, and I agree that Vance came
Speaker 10: out on top. I thought Wurtz was kind of jittery.
Speaker 10: He was almost like jittery and he looked like a
Speaker 10: deer in the headlights on a couple of times. But
Speaker 10: I think he was nervous. But they did, they agreed
Speaker 10: on certain things, and they shook hands. I mean, it
Speaker 10: was very very it was very nice to see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. That was actually positive, and particularly after
Speaker 2: a lot of the name calling that's been going on.
Speaker 2: And we talked about that last night, and yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought elevated the conversation and discussion. Now I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, I talked earlier about the viewpoints of the
Speaker 2: public towards Vance and towards Waltz, and Walls has received
Speaker 2: much better publicity. He seems Walls seems like one of
Speaker 2: these guys, good guys. But Walts did answer questions and
Speaker 2: and he engaged. There were a couple that he tried
Speaker 2: to slip and slide on, but they I thought they
Speaker 2: both did a credible job. And I thought that Vance
Speaker 2: was more relaxed, more responsive. He also had to deal
Speaker 2: with Margaret Brennan, who clearly decided that.
Speaker 10: She was a line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think again a line, you know, And and
Speaker 2: some of the questions that when you look at the
Speaker 2: balance of the questions they were again there was there
Speaker 2: was no question about what do you do about Russia?
Speaker 2: What do you do about? How about a question about Ukraine?
Speaker 2: What about question about.
Speaker 10: What about a question of sending our boys over to
Speaker 10: the mid to the Mid East? I mean our boys
Speaker 10: are over there, they could be getting killed, and then
Speaker 10: what's going to happen?
Speaker 2: Well, there was no question. There was no question about China.
Speaker 2: I mean the next big problem for US, I think
Speaker 2: down the line and Taiwan, which of course China has
Speaker 2: its eyes on. Right now, no question about the long
Speaker 2: shoreman strike could have been a weak right now, yes,
Speaker 2: or no question would would if you invoked tafteartly to
Speaker 2: make to stop this strike? I mean, this strike goes
Speaker 2: on for a few days or a couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: is going to be devastating.
Speaker 10: Oh my god, yeah, very very bad, very bad.
Speaker 2: And no question at all about the rise of anti
Speaker 2: Semitism in this country is not a word?
Speaker 10: Not a word?
Speaker 2: So how can you ignore all of those questions? Now?
Speaker 2: The question they asked, they were, fine, Okay, we're talking
Speaker 2: about Israel today. I get that you want to spend
Speaker 2: a little time on climate change. Fine, immigration, Okay, that's
Speaker 2: a legitimate, a legitimate question, right, And then, but then
Speaker 2: then you get into the economic plans. They spent a
Speaker 2: lot of time on that abortion. Was there any question
Speaker 2: in anyone's mind as to how Vance is going to
Speaker 2: answer the question on abortion? I mean, that's that's an
Speaker 2: important question. But but I think we pretty much know
Speaker 2: what a candidates stand on that, gun control, housing in rent.
Speaker 2: They have all important questions. The childcare crisis, that's an
Speaker 2: important question. It did right. No, But and then the
Speaker 2: state of democracy, Well, the state of democracy is nothing
Speaker 2: more than a softball to Vince. I want to know
Speaker 2: what's going on. What's their plan for China? How do
Speaker 2: we keep China?
Speaker 10: Oh, they weren't going to get into that. No, no, yeah.
Speaker 2: These and these are all serious questions. And I just
Speaker 2: and the other thing too, is what they needed to
Speaker 2: do is say, okay, look we want to ask you know,
Speaker 2: we want to ask twenty questions. We don't want to
Speaker 2: ask ten questions that are eminently predictable. We'd like to
Speaker 2: ask twenty questions because you could prepare each of them
Speaker 2: for the nine questions that were asked. You knew abortion
Speaker 2: was going to be asked, you knew immigration was going
Speaker 2: to be asked, You knew today Israel was going to
Speaker 2: be asked, and but blas well the question about which
Speaker 2: was the first question about should should the United States
Speaker 2: support an attack by Israel on Iran? That's up to Israel.
Speaker 2: That's up to Israel. And that played exactly into the
Speaker 2: Biden administration, which was telling Israel how to conduct its
Speaker 2: own war. And Waltz avoided the question. Advance right out
Speaker 2: of the box answered the question. I just think that
Speaker 2: it was it was not a great proof.
Speaker 10: It's going to be interesting to see what the papers
Speaker 10: say tomorrow about who won.
Speaker 2: It'll be very interesting. It'll be very interesting if there
Speaker 2: are polls tonight as to who won. Now, granted you
Speaker 2: have you know, most most people who were committed themocratic
Speaker 2: voters would say Waltz won, and most people who are
Speaker 2: Republicans are going to say Vance. But the question is
Speaker 2: where's that split? And I'll tell you I think the
Speaker 2: Vance helped himself tonight. I don't think that what Walt's
Speaker 2: Waltz hurt himself, but I think that Vance clearly was better.
Speaker 2: And when you well, I.
Speaker 10: Think Walts was Walts and what you expected. That's how
Speaker 10: he is. He's very jittery or jumpy or something I
Speaker 10: don't know what it is about you looked at.
Speaker 2: Them, you know. Again, I don't think the fact that
Speaker 2: the camera was trained on each of them while each
Speaker 2: was speaking. So while Vance is speaking, Walls looked nervous
Speaker 2: and sometimes a little bit fuddled, sometimes like what did
Speaker 2: he what did he mean by that? And I think
Speaker 2: that's just a Vance Vance.
Speaker 10: Vance never looked befuddled.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, very.
Speaker 10: Clear and very you know, competent. Really well.
Speaker 2: Again that if that's what three years at Yale Law
Speaker 2: School will do, we'll do fine.
Speaker 10: I had that could be, that could be right where
Speaker 10: it was. It was very good and I agree with
Speaker 10: you about how it went.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, thanks Don, I appreciate thanks, appreciate your
Speaker 2: call very much. Let me try to get one more
Speaker 2: in here before the break. Thanks dot uh and again
Speaker 2: I got some open lines I want to hear from you.
Speaker 2: Let me go to Jay in Pennsylvania. Jay, going to
Speaker 2: get you in here quickly before we go to the
Speaker 2: news at the bottom of the ar Go ahead, Jay.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I want to say, fans ask the question and
Speaker 11: everybody where I live, and that's the many it is.
Speaker 11: She's been in office for three and a half years,
Speaker 11: four thousands of hot days and what has she done?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I think it's fourteen hundred days, not four thousand.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm sorry, fortunate problem for.
Speaker 2: Four thousand would be a little longer. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: I think that was the theme. They each had their themes.
Speaker 2: You're you're right about that. I think that they both
Speaker 2: effectively worked their themes into it. President Trump. When former
Speaker 2: President Trump had no theme to his UH, to his
Speaker 2: his debate with the vice president, he was all over
Speaker 2: the lot. I mean, whoever prepared Vance should have prepared Trump.
Speaker 2: And maybe it was the same people. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: what did you think? So, I assume you're your Trump supporter? Okay,
Speaker 2: how did you think wals did? I thought Walsted under
Speaker 2: the circumstances pretty well. It was really his first big night.
Speaker 2: You know, Dvance has been holding news conferences and taking
Speaker 2: questions from reporters for for for weeks now, and before
Speaker 2: that he had been in a tough UH Senate race
Speaker 2: in Ohio. I don't know, this was kind of new
Speaker 2: to Walston that I thought.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I have. Unfortunately I did not watch it. I'm driving,
Speaker 11: so I've been driving to West r Indiom trying to
Speaker 11: get back to stations and command come out and man
Speaker 11: come out. So but what I did hear of it?
Speaker 11: I think, Man, he didn't hesitate on anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, right on.
Speaker 11: Point quick response to the other one hesitated as a veteran,
Speaker 11: I'll never support that.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well I think that did you and I read
Speaker 2: it pretty pretty similarly. Uh. Jay, Always great to hear
Speaker 2: your voice. Keep calling and keep listening tonight'side. How was
Speaker 2: the reception in West Virginia? If I could ask in
Speaker 2: your car tonight?
Speaker 11: Oh, that part is very great.
Speaker 9: It's great.
Speaker 11: I just wish it was that great coming up and
Speaker 11: down the mountains listening to the debate.
Speaker 2: Thanks Jay, appreciate you call. Thank you much. Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: I have a great night. Keep calling that side. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're going to take a quick break. I got a
Speaker 2: couple of open lines. If you've been trying to get
Speaker 2: through six one seven or six one seven, one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: Want to hear from you if you watch the debate,
Speaker 2: if you listen to the debate on the radio, maybe
Speaker 2: have a different point of view if you listen to it.
Speaker 2: I think that TV helped vance tonight, just like it
Speaker 2: helped Jack Kennedy in nineteen sixty. I think that the
Speaker 2: age difference is only twenty years, but it looked a
Speaker 2: lot longer, a longer time than twenty years between Vance
Speaker 2: and Waltz. And again that's we should focus on content,
Speaker 2: but you've got to focus also on a little stylistically
Speaker 2: as well. But substantively, they both did very well. Although
Speaker 2: I give I give the decision to Vance, and if
Speaker 2: you disagree with me, you know, please, I'm looking, actually,
Speaker 2: I'm looking for some people who can tell me that
Speaker 2: that in their opinion. Walls, I'd love to hear your
Speaker 2: thought on it. Again, it's all subjective. There's no right
Speaker 2: or wrong. Feel free six one seven two thirty or
Speaker 2: six seven nine, three one ten thirty. Back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Right after this, you're on night Side with Dan Ray
Speaker 1: on w b Z, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: I know numbers on radio are tough to talk about,
Speaker 2: but as I said, in this NBC poll in September, JD.
Speaker 2: Vans had a positive, very positive or slash somewhat positive
Speaker 2: rating of merely thirty two. His somewhat negative, very negative
Speaker 2: rating was forty five. Tim Walls had a positive, somewhat
Speaker 2: very positive, somewhat positive of forty and his negative rating
Speaker 2: was thirty three, so Vance as of September twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four was thirteen thirteen points underwater. Uh Jim Walls seven
Speaker 2: points to the good. The same poll, they asked people
Speaker 2: about capitalism of socialism. Capitalism fifty one percent of the
Speaker 2: American public positive very positive, negative twenty five percent, somewhat negative,
Speaker 2: very negative, socialism positive eighteen percent, negative fifty five percent.
Speaker 2: That is a theme that the Republicans should start to
Speaker 2: talk about if they want to win this election. That's
Speaker 2: an amazing number. Tom and the Philippines, John, welcome. How
Speaker 2: are you sure it's it's morning time in the Philippines.
Speaker 12: I guess right, it's eleven thirty eight, it's almost lunchtime. Yeah.
Speaker 12: I listened to the debate. I didn't watch it, and
Speaker 12: you know, they both came off pretty good. I gotta
Speaker 12: be honest with you. Yeah, And you know I'm a
Speaker 12: Trump support. I'm a I'm supporter. But I don't know
Speaker 12: if it changed anybody's views in this election.
Speaker 2: Well, I think Vans had more to gain because his
Speaker 2: his positive rating accluding the NBC poll combined very positive,
Speaker 2: somewhat positive thirty two. I think a lot of people
Speaker 2: are going to look at him a lot more favorably
Speaker 2: than thirty two. That's all.
Speaker 7: Sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know the thing that bothers me with
Speaker 5: these debates. I don't like to use the term mainstream
Speaker 5: media anymore. I would prefer to call it mainstream propaganda.
Speaker 5: And I just look at the people that work for
Speaker 5: the major networks and they've all got a political bias,
Speaker 5: and for them not to be honest about that, that's
Speaker 5: the one thing that really upsets me.
Speaker 2: But it's an obvious political bias. Tom. If it was subtle,
Speaker 2: you'd say okay, but it's it's it's just out there.
Speaker 2: They don't know.
Speaker 12: And you know, it's funny because I went to high
Speaker 12: school with people that worked for the Associated Press as
Speaker 12: well as other prominent newspapers in New England, and it's
Speaker 12: just these people that I went to school with know
Speaker 12: them personally. They just viewed Donald Trump as as Idolph Hitler.
Speaker 12: And it's like, wait a minute, that is such hyperbole.
Speaker 12: And you might not like his points of view, you
Speaker 12: might not like the fact that he appointed judges to
Speaker 12: the Supreme Court that overturned Row versus Wade, but he
Speaker 12: never ever came out and said I want an absolute
Speaker 12: ban on abortion. And for me, you know, if this
Speaker 12: is nineteen eighty eight, I voted for dou Caucus. I
Speaker 12: was very liberal back then, and on the topic of abortion.
Speaker 12: Back then, I was pro choice, that it's a woman's right. Myself,
Speaker 12: I've evolved on that issue. I like what they do
Speaker 12: in Western Europe and I'm not against abortion, but there
Speaker 12: should be some reasonable restrictions on abortion. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 12: but when you get to the eight and a half
Speaker 12: months of pregnancy and the woman's life is the mother's
Speaker 12: life is not in jeopardy, the woman just decides to
Speaker 12: get rid of terminate this pregnancy eight and a half months,
Speaker 12: I'm sorry, that's a viable human being.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think that would have been allowed under
Speaker 2: Roll versus way as I read Row versus Way. Now again,
Speaker 2: it's more, it's very complicated because eight months where who
Speaker 2: is told that the that the child is going to
Speaker 2: be born dead?
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, it's a very complicated but good right,
Speaker 12: But but but man, what the point I'm making is
Speaker 12: that if there's no problem with with the pregnancy, and
Speaker 12: there's no problem, I don't think.
Speaker 2: Way, I don't think that they would that an abortion
Speaker 2: of of a fetus, a live fetus, a live child
Speaker 2: would be legal under Row versus Way. I read as
Speaker 2: I've read, and I understand Roe versus Way, Tom, and
Speaker 2: I think that I think that I think that the
Speaker 2: Republicans have accomplished what they wanted to do, which was
Speaker 2: get it back to the States. But yeah, there there
Speaker 2: is a and I thought Waltz made a good point
Speaker 2: tonight that if you're a woman who lives in a state,
Speaker 2: let us say, like Alabama or Mississippi, and you don't
Speaker 2: have a lot of support and you are pregnant and
Speaker 2: you want to get an abortion, you know relatively early
Speaker 2: on you're gonna have to travel quite a distance, of course.
Speaker 12: And just by the way. The one thing that with
Speaker 12: regards to Roe versus Wade, when I hear this that
Speaker 12: it's a constitutional right. Well, a Supreme Court in the
Speaker 12: past has been wrong on a lot of things, like
Speaker 12: the dread Scott decision. And the other thing is there
Speaker 12: there's nothing in the Constitution that says anything about medical care.
Speaker 2: All right, Again, I could tell you this, I know
Speaker 2: this issue pretty well. There was a case that preceded
Speaker 2: Me versus Way, rate Roe versus Way, which was Griswold
Speaker 2: versus Connecticut. It was it was an area dealing with
Speaker 2: birth control. Uh, and there was the the the decision
Speaker 2: was written talked about certain numbers and emanations. That was
Speaker 2: the phrase that laid the groundwork for privacy, which then
Speaker 2: became sort of the fundamental uh sub sub substructure or
Speaker 2: infrastructure of Roe versus Way. But I don't want to
Speaker 2: do I don't want to do a law class on
Speaker 2: I know, of course, the point you're making.
Speaker 12: All right, Dan, you take care of yourself and always
Speaker 12: always a pleasure to call into your program.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Tom, have a great day out there. Okay,
Speaker 2: let me keep rolling here, going to go to Karen
Speaker 2: in Lemonster. Karen, you were next on Nicside. Thanks for
Speaker 2: calling it.
Speaker 13: Yes, I just wanted to say that I think that
Speaker 13: I did listen to debate, and I think, uh, you know,
Speaker 13: they both did a good job. But I thought J. D.
Speaker 13: Lance won the debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 13: Ms and everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, like anything else, he was thinking
Speaker 2: quicker on his feet. I thought that his his his
Speaker 2: his line of thought was was more effective and linear
Speaker 2: almost and uh and he's he's he's got a pretty
Speaker 2: sharp mind. I mean, he kept the questions in mind,
Speaker 2: and he he made his points I thought, very effectively.
Speaker 2: But we'll see what the polls say tomorrow. We'll see
Speaker 2: what what CNN says. And of course I think if
Speaker 2: you hear CNN saying well as as CBS said tonight,
Speaker 2: I was listening to their wrap up, well, these these
Speaker 2: vice presidential debates have no impact.
Speaker 14: Well I think they do.
Speaker 13: I think they might because you know, you listen. I
Speaker 13: listened to others and I think they do.
Speaker 2: Yep. I would agree. And again, particularly UH, you if
Speaker 2: you elect the vice president who is a heartbeat away,
Speaker 2: that's you always have to keep that in mind and
Speaker 2: who is And.
Speaker 13: I think people have to remember another thing about Donald Trump,
Speaker 13: what she's done for these people during the hurricane and
Speaker 13: Georgia in North Carolina. I think he's helped people.
Speaker 2: Well, he was down there. He certainly had a presence,
Speaker 2: and I think that he beat both UH Vice President
Speaker 2: Harris and President Biden down there. I'm not sure that
Speaker 2: President Biden is in the physical condition.
Speaker 13: He probably isn't, Yeah, which is unfortunate.
Speaker 2: No one should take any joy in that because all
Speaker 2: of us will at different stages in our lives. Karen,
Speaker 2: thank you much. As always. You got to call more frequently, Okay,
Speaker 2: miss talk a lot.
Speaker 13: Well, I'll try to call. I just want to say not.
Speaker 13: The thing I liked it about the debate was very
Speaker 13: civil compared to this.
Speaker 2: It was very civil. There were moments of agreement. I
Speaker 2: liked the fact that they shook hands at the end.
Speaker 2: There were a lot of positives, and they even went
Speaker 2: up and shook hands with the moderators, and they brought
Speaker 2: their wives up to introduce them to each other. I thought,
Speaker 2: I thought it was a class act tonight. I didn't
Speaker 2: appreciate some of the questions that were ignored. As I said,
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have heard thoughts about China,
Speaker 2: particularly they stayed away from China because Tim Walls apparently
Speaker 2: has had thirty trips to China. Thirty. Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: idea is that, look, as a governor, you can have trips.
Speaker 2: Our governor does trips to different places, Italy, Ireland, et cetera.
Speaker 2: Thirty is a lot of trips and years he became
Speaker 2: fascinated with China and maybe he saw that as a trip.
Speaker 2: Nothing about the anti semitism on college campuses, nothing about
Speaker 2: crime in US cities, nothing about Ukraine. It wasn't one
Speaker 2: question about Ukraine.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's I miss that.
Speaker 2: People listened to the questions that I think should be asked,
Speaker 2: and I think that they devoted probably too much time
Speaker 2: to some They went back to the whole question about democracy.
Speaker 2: Who's opposed to democracy? I'm not opposed to it. You're
Speaker 2: not opposed to me.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: All that was was It was an opportunity. It's the
Speaker 2: final question for to bring up January sixth again. That
Speaker 2: was all it was. Itself is a bias question. Whatever.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows what happened. Everybody has made their decision, their
Speaker 2: mind up on it anyway. Whatever, Thanks Karret, appreciate the call. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get one more in here real quickly.
Speaker 2: And I got four. I'm going to get one now
Speaker 2: real quickly. Let me go quickly, Matt and Brighton. Matt,
Speaker 2: do me a favor here and give me a quick answer,
Speaker 2: will you who won? What did you think?
Speaker 7: I think JD won?
Speaker 3: Evance? You know, I think, like you said, I don't
Speaker 3: think think both them doubled down and said things that
Speaker 3: were very hypocritical, you know, while also saying stuff about
Speaker 3: that's defend Israel and you know, let their proxies grow.
Speaker 3: But that's also support Gaza. You know, he didn't want it.
Speaker 3: He did not answer about Iran. He danced around that
Speaker 3: and JB danced around abortion. So uh so, you know, look,
Speaker 3: stand I want to do maybe real quick. JD won
Speaker 3: in my opinion, but they need to stand to their principles.
Speaker 3: And I don't think either one of them being at
Speaker 3: some point contradict themselves. And I think that's you know,
Speaker 3: that's a big harm. But shame and Tim Wallas for
Speaker 3: not you know, defending Israel war and he gave to
Speaker 3: Palestine you know before.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, they.
Speaker 2: Walk the fence there and you know on the day
Speaker 2: that that over two hundred ballistic missiles were fired by
Speaker 2: Iran at Israel, if they was every day, yeah, right, obviously, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm aware with that as well. Yeah, happy Russia, Shana,
Speaker 2: my friend.
Speaker 3: We'll talk.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: I appreciated all right, quick, quick time out for a
Speaker 2: couple of messages. We've gott Dustin and Michigan's coming up.
Speaker 2: I got Chris and the Cape. I'm gonna try to
Speaker 2: get everybody, and I promise we're back right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray line from the Window World
Speaker 1: Light Side Studios on w b.
Speaker 3: Z News Radio.
Speaker 2: I think MSNBC is saying one was smooth the other one.
Speaker 2: Well that that's all you need to know. If if
Speaker 2: that's the best they can come up with, and I
Speaker 2: think we're right Dustin and Michigan, Dustin, I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: you and at least four others in here real quickly.
Speaker 2: Who won? Who lost? Dustin?
Speaker 5: What do you think I'm gonna say? They probably both won?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: The problem is, though, I think one man showed that
Speaker 5: he had the honor to uh all the truth when
Speaker 5: it came to his decision on comments he made about
Speaker 5: the ex president and how he evolved with the way
Speaker 5: the president ran. I'm talking about Trump and the way
Speaker 5: he ran his administration. So when they tried to get
Speaker 5: advance to go against what Waltz did with his lies
Speaker 5: about the military and about you know, being in China
Speaker 5: or wherever, that was square. Yeah, And that was an out.
Speaker 5: That was an actual lie.
Speaker 2: And he really was a lot ob.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. It was really it was almost like
Speaker 5: that nightly news guy that said he watched bodies floating
Speaker 5: down the.
Speaker 2: New Orleans New Orleans. Yeah, Low imagination.
Speaker 5: I just want to hit on a couple other things.
Speaker 5: I know you want to just hear about who won,
Speaker 5: who lost.
Speaker 2: To do, Dustin, I hate to do this year. I
Speaker 2: got four folks behind you. I'm trying to get everybody
Speaker 2: in here, so can you yeah, real quick, real quick.
Speaker 5: I'm the abortion thing.
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 5: I'm a male. I believe all women should be able
Speaker 5: to vote on that only. I think all men should
Speaker 5: be out of it. That way, men don't have to
Speaker 5: worry about skating back and forth like these two guys did.
Speaker 5: They don't have to say to the church. They don't
Speaker 5: have to. They just let the women do what.
Speaker 2: They gotta do.
Speaker 5: And I know what they can tell.
Speaker 2: Dustin. It's your first time calling my show. I believe
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 5: Correct, yesday.
Speaker 2: Listen at.
Speaker 5: No first time because I was I'm in my I'm
Speaker 5: on the road, and I wanted to hear it on
Speaker 5: the radio.
Speaker 7: So that good show you give me.
Speaker 2: Ronald Clause, come on back, run every night Monday through Friday,
Speaker 2: Monday night, WBZ lock ten thirty on your AM dial
Speaker 2: in in the car. Thanks Dustin, I got John.
Speaker 5: iHeart man.
Speaker 2: Okay, WBC Boston, you got it. Thanks Dustin, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Have a great one. Okay, Now I'm gonna crunch everybody here,
Speaker 2: Chris and the cave. Chris Veteran call it. What can
Speaker 2: you do for me? Chris?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Hi, Dan. I would say JD. Vance was poised, focused,
Speaker 7: uncharacteristically conciliatory, could have been stronger on a lot of points,
Speaker 7: but was far more worldly than Waltz. I think Waltz
Speaker 7: presented himself as an honest, trusting homeroom teacher, which he
Speaker 7: came from, but altogether too parochial and always sort of
Speaker 7: going back to home base Minnesota, Minnesota, Minnesota. That's one
Speaker 7: state among fifty, and one state in a world in
Speaker 7: turmoil that I just don't think he's secure with. But
Speaker 7: I don't have a favored candidate.
Speaker 2: But that's my that's my opinions changed from did you
Speaker 2: have an opinion of Vance before tonight or no?
Speaker 7: Yeah. I thought he was not particularly conciliatory. I thought
Speaker 7: he wasn't neutering basically all the negatives of his presidential partner.
Speaker 7: But I think he presented pretty well in conciliatory, which
Speaker 7: I thought was uncharacteristic. So I think that fifty to
Speaker 7: fifty I'd give him, you know, a fifty one.
Speaker 2: I got to keep rolling. Here, my friend with balks
Speaker 2: whom thanks Chris Edin Beverly. I'm going to give three
Speaker 2: people about twenty seconds. Go ahead, Ed, what do you want?
Speaker 2: What do you want to say? Twenty seconds?
Speaker 4: I would say my opinion of both of them went
Speaker 4: up tonight. Okay, I think they both. I think they
Speaker 4: both did a good job. If I could, I would
Speaker 4: vote for the for the Vance Walls ticket over shown parents.
Speaker 2: I think you know what, I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people might feel that way right now, including myself. To
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I love that comment.
Speaker 5: I think the senior supporters did a horrible job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that one too, Ed, you
Speaker 2: and I are right in the money. We'll talk soon. Okay, thanks, thanks,
Speaker 2: thank you much, Richie. And know what, Richie, you got
Speaker 2: to be quick for me. Okay, really quick? Go ahead?
Speaker 14: All right, Danny, how you doing it? Advance messed up
Speaker 14: on two big things. Say I ran deal, but say
Speaker 14: we thought they were doing something wrong. We couldn't just
Speaker 14: go in there. We had to let them know we
Speaker 14: thought something was wrong. Then we had to give them
Speaker 14: twenty one days before we could go in terrible deal
Speaker 14: to border deal. We had to let forty five hundred
Speaker 14: people per day come in.
Speaker 2: All right, So who wanted the debate? Rich? Real quickly?
Speaker 2: In your opinion?
Speaker 9: I guess the Vance guy.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm a Trump guy, and okay, I gotta get.
Speaker 2: One more in Rich. I hate to do it to you,
Speaker 2: but I got a call earlier. Okay, last of the night, Stu.
Speaker 2: You got about ten seconds.
Speaker 4: Go for it, Kay said, we got to put an
Speaker 4: end to war, or war will put an end to us.
Speaker 2: Okay, we wanted a debate.
Speaker 5: Guys who wanted the debate?
Speaker 11: I would say the guy that told the truth, and
Speaker 11: that was Advance.
Speaker 2: All right, sir, I gotta run. Thank you much. Call early.
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