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Speaker 1: Bowden. Can you hear me? Yes, sir, very good Bowden Greenley?

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Am I saying that correctly? Boden?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's not a name I think I've ever seen before,

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but I like it. It's cool. Yeah, So Boden Greenley

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is skyping in. Now where are you, Bowden? Where are

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you located?

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Speaker 2: I'm in North Dakota, North Dakota.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, Fargo. Well we all we all know about

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Fargo because of the movie. But uh so you have

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written a book which I read, and thank you for

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sending that to us. Uh person, perseverance and very you know,

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I referenced earlier when I when I mentioned that you

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were going to be joining us. Uh, I mentioned that,

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you know, pretty pretty heavy stuff. It's a heavy subject.

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It's it's a light read in the sense that it's

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not particularly long. But but but it's not a light

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read in the sense that, like I said, it's it's

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it's pretty heavy stuff. And let me let me ask

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you this right up front, and we can kind of

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work backwards a little bit. But I want to know

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this and then we'll get into for our listeners what

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it's about and everything. But how is your mother now,

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because the book is of course about the ordeal health

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wise that your mother has been through. As we sit

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here today, how is she doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so's she's definitely better than she was at her

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worst by a lot. But she's certainly not one hundred percent.

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I'd say, somewhere in the forty percent realm.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, which I think. I think in the

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book that's kind of where you left it was about

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she was at about forty percent.

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Speaker 2: So yes, So.

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Speaker 1: Boden, if if we could, can you go ahead and

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tell us about the book and what it's about, and

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you know, I'm sure I'll have some questions. I read

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it the other night, and I'll have some questions along

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the way. But for our listeners to kind of get

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get acquainted, i'd like you to kind of tell us

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a little bit about the book and what it is

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that drove you to write this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So this was something that I'd wanted to write

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for a long time. It was a situation that directly

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involved me, and once I got a little older here,

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I was like, I feel like this is something that

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is more common than the industry makes it seem like.

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It is like this is something to me. I feel

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everybody kind of sweeps under the rug, and I really

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wanted to get this story out there and make people

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knowledgeable on this topic. So basically going back, so right now,

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I'm nineteen years old. This started when I was about

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twelve years old. So going back, she had a tooth

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issue going on, and she was needed an implant and

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was debating on getting a ceramic or a titanium implant,

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and she doctors pushed her to go titanium. She decided

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to go titanium, got that put in there, and then

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probably like three months after getting it, she started getting

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all these terrible things going on in her body, started

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getting really bad. She ended up getting it out like

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probably seven months after that, and then just from there

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on just kept it was really bad that next year

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and then got a little bit better, but then it's

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still been struggling with problems for a long long time.

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Speaker 1: And and as this is going on, did she or

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did anyone have any idea that it was the tooth?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was. It was pretty much

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clear as day that it was the tooth. She was

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she was as healthy as you could possibly be. Prior

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to this. She was a person that was like lifting

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every day, ran a lot all these things, and no

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just common anything was taken her down at all. Like

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she was. She was literally as healthy as it could

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be and then got this tooth and right after boom

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we got we had problems galore.

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Speaker 1: And this is Have you been able to find other

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documented cases similar to this or or is this such

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a rare thing that that that you really can't find

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anything like this happening to anybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I actually, you know, I haven't looked into specific

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cas as a ton, but even so, I'm from a

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pretty small town and I even know a couple people

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close to me that had similar symptoms to my mom

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when getting titanium put in their body, So I know

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that this happens.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, it's frustrating.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Jenny, of course, with her her experience and what she's

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to get something diagnosed and you know, figuring out exactly

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of experience with that, and I'm sure there's a lot

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of people who can relate to that. You know, when

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you're dealing with something that's unusual, it's it's so much

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harder to get it diagnosed, because you know, if it's

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not something common, you know, really, I mean, why would

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the medical community know a lot about it or be

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able to figure out and identify the problem and then

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go from there and figure out solutions if it's something

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that doesn't happen very often.

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Speaker 2: H exactly.

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Speaker 1: So, So the titanium, it's sort of poisoned her, right,

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It caused her, It wrecked her health in a sense. Right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is one thing I want to really

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kind of make clear here. So in my opinion, I

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don't believe that the titanium is a huge issue when

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dealing with this. The problem is titanium implants are six

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percent aluminum, and that's where the problem became. So they

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use aluminum as a filler metal. It's because aluminum per

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ounce is way cheaper than titanium per ounce, so they

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can use that. And keep in mind they're outputting two

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point five million implants per year, so when you're talking

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that scale, that money that it takes to create the implant,

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that really matters. So the aluminum was the issue.

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Speaker 3: And if I were, oh, go ahead, Jenny, would no,

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I'm just I'm shocked. Yeah, And I never knew. I

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never knew that there was aluminum in the titanium implants.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it never knew that. It's interesting that you

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say that because I think in the book, I think

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you kind of talk about that too, Votin that they

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don't tell you that up front, right, Like don't they

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kind of sell it to you as it's titanium and

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they just say that's what it is, And they don't

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tell you while it's titanium, but it's also aluminum and

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it's this and it's that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. And it's like maybe somewhere in the fine

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print of the contract that's what they say it in there. Yeah,

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but they definitely don't make it clear when they're telling you,

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that's for sure. And the thing too is, I don't

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know if you guys know, lately there's been a big

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uprising with aluminum in the deodorance.

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Speaker 4: That I'm very if I'm a breast cancer survivor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. So it's like, to me, how

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can so now everybody's opening up to aluminum and deodorance,

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which is simply just putting it on topically on your skin,

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but then it's okay to implant it into your body.

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It's like, that makes no sense.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's a super valid point. Yeah, one hundred Yeah,

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aluminum and deodorant. That's one of the things. One of

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the first things they told me to stop using was

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antiperspirant because that's the main ingredient there is the aluminum. Yep,

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deordorant by itself doesn't have it right.

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Speaker 2: Right. And let me take a guess. So you said

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you're a breast cancer survivor.

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Was your breast cancer like really close to your armpit?

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Speaker 3: No, actually, it was closer to my back. It was

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in the back of my breast tissue. And there was

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also a pre cancerous area that had started under the areola.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I kind of had it on both.

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Speaker 3: Sides of this area as far as thickness goes. It

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was way up front and way in the back.

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Speaker 1: Does make it does make you wonder though, a little bit, right,

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of course, of course.

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Speaker 3: I mean I can remember when I was a kid,

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my dad going, it's time for you to get the odorant. Now,

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you know it like it was like a thing you

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had to start using deodorant. I mean, yeah, and always

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used yodorant. That's like it's ingrained into your head, right,

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how many of us bring it to school and reapply?

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the other day. I don't remember exactly what it was,

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but there's a big increase in breast cancer towards the

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or really close to the armpit because of the they're

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saying it's directly linked to the aluminum in the well.

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Speaker 3: That's that's where the main lymph nodes start, and that's

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where the first two lymph nodes are that are normally

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and in my case, we're dissected and removed, and some

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people lose way more than that because they keep going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's interesting.

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Speaker 3: You've certainly done your resource, that's for sure. And this

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is good information to be sharing. Most people don't consider

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what's in their anti presperot right that they're using, and

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that aluminum actually like blocks you and then gets into

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, right, and that's why they put it in there,

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because it actually clogs the gland so you don't sweat

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense, and nobody nobody wants to sweat and

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Speaker 4: And you're you're really better off if you do sweat.

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Speaker 2: Wedding is a good thing.

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Speaker 4: Your body's supposed to do it for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. One of the things that surprised me

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in the book Boden was and and this surprised me

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in a very sad way. Is I kind of thought

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as I'm reading it, as you're going through the story,

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once they identified that the tooth was the that titanium

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slash aluminum tooth was what was probably the issue, and

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they took it out, I would have thought. I would

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have hoped that over time she would start to get better.

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at only forty percent. Because I remember getting to that

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part in the story and thinking, Okay, this is probably

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a good turning point. Right now she's now that they've

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taken that out, hopefully she's hopefully she's sweating it out.

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not or or maybe it has, but the damage is done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It really is remarkable to me, and I truly

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don't understand it. We I don't know. I think she

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might go in here and see we were thinking there

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might still be fragments of something in her body.

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Speaker 4: Because that's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 2: There's absolutely no way something takes this long to heal,

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and I just think her body is whatever is in

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her body, she just cannot defend it. So yeah, it's it.

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Truly is remarkable. And if there isn't anything else, I

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don't know. She just yeah, her body just fighting it

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off is impossible. It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: I'm wondering what got put into her bloodstream, into her body.

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Because this is really hitting home for me because of

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the Tomockspin toxicity that I have. Yeah, I'm Tomock's been toxic.

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My body can't get rid of it. It implanted itself

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everywhere and I'll always be Tomock's fin toxic.

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Speaker 4: There's no way to clear it out of my body.

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Speaker 3: So and it has had significant effects to my eyes.

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Speaker 4: And my ears.

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Speaker 3: I mean, my right eye has a hole in it

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because of it. But I'm like relating to your mom's

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story so much because I'm thinking, yeah, she had this

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the quickest ways to get sick because it's oftentimes people

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blood system and now you can actually die from it.

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intensive care unit with something that started in their mouth,

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So that's one hundred percent true. So it makes me

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think that that aluminum that was in her mouth for

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however long, that there's some kind of like chemical or

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whatever that got into her bloodstream because of that, and

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is just simply she's.

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Speaker 4: Got it and it maybe it's just not you know, there's.

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Speaker 3: No there may be no way to completely cleanse her

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of it, as there is no way to completely cleanse

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me of tomoxifen always going to have deposits in various

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parts of my body of it, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I wonder if that's what it is.

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Speaker 3: You know, I just feel so identify with with your

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mom so much because of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, what inspired you to write the book Boden.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I So my main reason is I want to

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get this information out there. I you know, I come

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back to do I think titanium is the worst thing

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in the world. No, but if we're going to be

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still doing these things, it needs to be one hundred

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percent titanium or I believe that ceramic or zirconia implants

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are much superior. That's what the holistic dentists are preaching now.

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But I just want people to be aware that when

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they put these things in their body, that there's a

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even if it's a really small chance that it completely

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ruins your life. And I think that that is going

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to make you think twice before getting it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And I assume too, you're only nineteen, right, so

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I assume your mom is is pretty young and she's

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got she's got a lot ahead of her.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, she's forty eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it's it's got to be. And you

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talked too in the book about how prior to all

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this happening, she was very healthy, very fit, and uh

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not someone who I mean, it's it's got to be. Obviously,

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it would be difficult for anybody to go through this,

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but I would imagine it's especially difficult for someone like

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her who's used to being so active.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it, it is terrible. I mean none,

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nothing short of terrible. She she's super fit person, she

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was a dietitian, physical trainer all that, so that was

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like her big thing and it's been really difficult, hard.

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found particularly heartbreaking. When she was she she was at

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a point where she was starting to feel better, significantly better,

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and it seemed like it was a really good turning point,

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and she kind of maybe she pushed herself a little

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too hard or something, but she was out somewhere I

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think maybe with one of your siblings, if I remember correctly, Yes,

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and she was really she was having a good day

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and it was going well and she's feeling good, and

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then all of a sudden, she just started feeling terrible again,

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and it was just this enormous setback, and I think

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she fell, if I remember correctly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So so there there was kind of two. So

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you're referring to when she took my little brother to

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the zoo, and actually, oh yeah, it wasn't It wasn't

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anything super crazy. She just she literally just walked too much.

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That's what she says. She walked too much that day

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and she felt like a big just drop. She calls

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it poison in her body because that's it feels like

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tingling all over, and she felt it drop into her legs,

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and she said she knew she was in trouble when

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that happened. Oh god. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then it was after that it was kind of

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back to square one, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So she had up to that point, she

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had gotten that was the best she'd been before that day.

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She was probably up to a good sixty percent, and

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then yeah, that happened, and been struggling more with the

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lower body.

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Speaker 1: Now, wow, that's horrible.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like CPS. Yeah, yeah, because that's what happened

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with me. Everything was upper body and then it dropped

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into my legs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: So crazy. I'm so sorry your mom has had to

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struggle through these. I commend you for what you're doing.

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It's so important to get this, to get information out

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there so people are informed and can make informed choices.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: How does she feel about the book?

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Speaker 2: You know, so kind of funnier right away. So I

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didn't tell her that I wrote it until it was

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already done because I knew that she was kind of

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a stubborn person and it is kind of embarrassed about

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the whole situation, and probably did not want to be

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a main focal talking point. But then once I brought

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it to her, she was really happy and we had

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a good moment about it, and I told her that

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this is a message that needs to get out there,

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and it sucks that you're kind of the talking point,

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but it has to get out there. I just don't

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want to see this happen to a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: So has this kind of spurred her to do any

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other Like does she do any interviews or any kind

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of media about this or is it just just your

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book for now that you've written.

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Speaker 2: Mainly just my book for now. Yeah, she's not. She

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just doesn't really like that kind of thing talking about it.

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You know, she's just a super she's a stubborn person,

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she's tough nosed, and she's yeah, like I said, kind

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of embarrassed about it. So I'll be the guy to

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talk about it absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, you know, to be able

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to do this and even survive, you know, you've got

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to be tough, right, So so yeah, someone not with

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the fortitude that she obviously has. You know, a would

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have thrown in the towel by now, But she's obviously

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a very strong person to be able to continue to

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deal with this every day and continue to function and

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live and wow, And have you written other things prior

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to this or is this your first book or have.

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Speaker 2: You red this was my first book?

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Speaker 1: Wow? Good for you, Good for you. No, it's excellent.

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Did you have an editor or did you do everything yourself?

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Speaker 2: Or yeah? I had, I had an editor, and then

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I had a guy who helped me with the cover.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, it's very good. I

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encourage people to read it.

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I'm also curious because I don't think you addressed this

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specifically in the book, but in terms of so they

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removed the titanium, you know, and partially aluminum tooth. Did

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they replace it with something or does she just not

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have a tooth there now or what happened there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just empty there?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, yes, sir, I didn't know if I didn't

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know if there was a danger in not putting something

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else there or I mean, I guess at the moment,

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it probably doesn't much matter because what what she's already

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dealing with is so difficult that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it was like at the time when they

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were taking it out, you know, they probably would have

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wanted to put something back over top, but she was

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just like, I feel so bad right now, just get

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it out and we'll deal with it after.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense, though, I can definitely understand that. I

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can understand that is there any is there any kind

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of hope? What have you and she and your family

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been able to find anything that any sort of alternative

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treatment or anything that that might help her or she

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just kind of kind of stuck at forty percent, And

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that's that's kind of it for the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've been really reaching out to a lot

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of people I've found in the more alley of holistic dentistry,

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which is more like natural practice dentistry, and there's some

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there's potentially some heavy metal detox we're gonna look into

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down the road here that I want to get into.

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But she's actually going in I believe next week sometime

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to get a scan of her head to make sure

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there's no leftover fragments.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, excellent, and then if uh, of course and

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that's that'll be if they find something, that's half the

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battle I guess right, locating, But then they have to

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figure out how to get it out right.

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Speaker 2: So exactly, which then that will be difficult. But if

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they find something, we'll get it done.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and at least too then you'll know. Then you'll

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have an answer, you know, Is that? Is that? What

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it is? Is there any kind of a theory about why? Because,

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like I said that, there's that point where she started

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feeling significantly better. I mean, I assume you've probably all

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been over this a million times, but has have have

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you and she and your family tried to figure out

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what it was during that period that was different that

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helped her to feel so much better before where she

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she had that setback and all of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I I really don't know. It's such

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a it's such an interesting thing to me. It's like,

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like you stated earlier, It's like when when once we

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got it removed, you're thinking, all right, we're probably getting

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better here, you know, eventually at least, yeah, she was,

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she was getting so much better, and I'm thinking, oh, yes,

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I'm fine, my mom's finally gonna be all the way better,

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and then it was just like one day she walks

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too much, Like what the f. You know, there's there's

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no way. I mean, she she was as fit as

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somebody could be, so to her, even walking a lot,

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that was like exerting twenty percent. You know, So there's

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there's just no and I, yeah, I really don't understand.

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But yeah, to answer your question, I I don't really

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know what it was exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it must be so hard to And you

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do talk about this quite a bit in the book.

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You know, you get very personal about the challenge is

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or your family. You know, obviously she's going through this

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terrible thing, but it but it affects all of you.

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You know, it affects your dad and your siblings and

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how hard that is and how you know and when

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you're a kid, you know, I mean it's probably although adults,

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it's it's a challenge for anybody right of any age,

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but especially when you're growing up and you know when

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you're this started when you were twelve, right, you said

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you were twelve when this whole thing started, Yes, sir,

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Like you don't know at that age how to handle

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all of this emotionally and to see your mother going

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through this and you're sibling. Are you the oldest of uh?

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Are you the oldest of three?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I am the oldest. And then I get right

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in so right now I'm nineteen. I have a middle

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brother who's sixteen, and then I have a youngest brother's ten.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, I mean your ten year old brothers.

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You know, for him, it's got to be very very hard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, Yeah, it was really hard. And

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I talked about this a little bit. I did a

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bad job as well. You know, I was I was

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so young, and I kind of just got caught up

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in my own little world and I almost I talked

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about a little bit. I almost got annoyed, you know,

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it'd say, why am why is this? This just isn't

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fair to me, selfishly thinking why is my mom like this?

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This is ridiculous. But then it's like later on it's like,

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oh man, I was terrible.

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Speaker 3: You know, now, don't do that to yourself, to yourself.

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You're you're you're young, you're you know, you're a kid.

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Your brain is wired a particular way, and it's not

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a bad thing about you that in that moment you

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weren't able to view the entire the entirety of what

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was going on. And that's just a process of getting older.

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You can't fault yourself for being a kid and not

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seeing a full view because you just didn't get there yet.

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Speaker 4: You know, now you do.

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Speaker 3: Look at everything you're doing. You're doing incredible things. You

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didn't just come around. You came around to become a

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champion to make sure that other people are forewarned. And

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that's absolutely remarkable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I mean it's you know, it's good to

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reflect on.

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Speaker 2: This.

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Speaker 1: There's such a thin line between you know, kind of

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reflecting and analyzing, a thin line between that and ruminating

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on the past and beating yourself up and whatnot. But

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I but I think it. You know, it's good to

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reflect on on what you maybe could have done differently

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so that you're able to be supportive going forward. But again,

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like Jenny, like Jenny said, I mean, when you're a kid,

476
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you know, you're you're still trying to mature and and

477
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uh and grow emotionally, and you know, to feel some

478
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sort of resentment or frustration along the way or well,

479
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you know, that's perfectly normal. That's normal for adults too.

480
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But but especially when you're a kid. It's like, you know,

481
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you got a you really got got your family, your

482
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mom especially, but your family really got delta BA bad hand,

483
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uh with this whole situation. So you did the best

484
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you could. And and and the great thing about writing

485
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this book is, you know, hopefully this is going to

486
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help other people. Like you said, you want to raise

487
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awareness about this and kind of warn people about what

488
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they might be getting into. And uh, you know, make

489
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sure too that you're you know, if somebody wants to

490
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put titanium in, you read the fine print, make sure

491
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:24,880
you know is ask your doctor, ask the surgeon. Is

492
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there anything else other than titanium. I'm trying to think

493
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of what else do they use titanium for it? I'm

494
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not sure hip replacements right, I think hip replacements are.

495
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Speaker 3: Everything pretty much is because it doesn't set up a

496
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metal detector, and it's it's it's a rather good material,

497
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you know, I mean everybody, you know, you need to

498
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be informed. Maybe there's things you look out for, you know,

499
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maybe maybe there's some kind of allergy involved with aluminium

500
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that triggers in some people and not others.

501
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, you don't.

502
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Speaker 3: I'm a titanium knee and it went remarkably well. Yeah,

503
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so there's there's the good and you know, well this

504
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couldn't baden anything. So really just being fully informed and

505
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then making informed choices, you know, or maybe you know,

506
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maybe you get tested for heavy metal or whatever. I

507
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,160
don't know what the exact answer is to it, you know.

508
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, doesn't sound like anyone does.

509
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kind of tough because,

510
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,400
like you said, and I kind of say this a

511
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little bit too, it's like most people are probably gonna

512
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get it and be just fine. But in my opinion,

513
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I think if something like this is even a potential,

514
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I just don't find myself taking that risk. And I

515
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think as time goes on, we're going to start to

516
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see alternatives that are safer or at least, like I said,

517
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I would like to see everything be all one hundred

518
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percent titanium. I would be more okay with that even.

519
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now that you've written this book, do

520
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you have plans to write another one or are you

521
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going to continue writing or maybe maybe write about other

522
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things or what's kind of your trajectory in terms of writing.

523
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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I never thought I would do anything even

524
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close to this. It's funny because when I was probably

525
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mid teens, I said how much I hated reading, and

526
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,599
then now I'm just I'm just a reading freak. I

527
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,680
love reading and I love writing too. So yeah, but

528
00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:23,920
as for writing more, my hope, my hope is that

529
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we find an answer with my mom, we get her detox,

530
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and I want to write about that. That is my

531
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That is my end goal.

532
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Speaker 1: Oh and that would be wonderful. That would be a

533
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,680
wonderful book to write, wouldn't it.

534
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be That would be awesome.

535
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Speaker 1: I would love to read that. So yeah, so hopefully,

536
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hopefully that happens. Boden Greenley, thank you so much. Before

537
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:47,279
we let you go too, I want to make sure

538
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everyone knows where to get your book. Of course, it

539
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,359
is called Perseverance, And what do people need to know

540
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,160
about how to get it?

541
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Speaker 2: Yeah? So right now it's available on Amazon.

542
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, well that's easy. Yeah, that's easy. And we

543
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:05,079
should tell people to tell people how to because Boden

544
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,960
is not a name you here every day? How do

545
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people uh spell that when they're looking for you?

546
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's b O E D N. And then Greenley

547
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is green l e.

548
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Speaker 1: Y okay, okay, well listen, thank you so much for

549
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joining us today. Like I said, I it's an excellent book.

550
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I I want to say I enjoyed reading it, but

551
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,599
enjoy isn't quite the right word, because, like I said,

552
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:31,160
it's such a it's such an unhappy subject. But yeah,

553
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but I'm really glad. I'm really glad that you sent

554
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,440
it to us and that we were able to do

555
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this today and help absolutely you know, if even if

556
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we help one person or or prevent possibly one person

557
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,839
from making a mistake, that's that's a good thing. So

558
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I'm really glad you were able to do join us

559
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:51,799
and and even you know, even if it's a while

560
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,839
before you have written anything else, if you have any

561
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,240
kind of a big update on your mom in the future,

562
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we'd love to have you back. This is something that

563
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we want to continue to pay attention to and and

564
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support you and your family and in any way that

565
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,799
we can. So so let's uh, let's definitely stay in touch.

566
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Speaker 2: Boden, Absolutely great, all right, very good.

567
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Speaker 1: Boden Greenley, thank you so much, and we'll we'll talk

568
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to you again in the future, I'm sure.

569
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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, guys, appreciate it.

570
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Speaker 1: You got it, all right, bye bye bye bye. All right.

571
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,240
So that was Boden Greenley and he is the author

572
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of Perseverance, which you can find at uh amazon dot com.

573
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And yeah, like I said, it's a it's a good read,

574
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but a very it's a very difficult subject.

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Speaker 4: Medicine always is, absolutely, absolutely