Speaker 1: Bowden. Can you hear me? Yes, sir, very good Bowden Greenley?
Am I saying that correctly? Boden?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not a name I think I've ever seen before,
but I like it. It's cool. Yeah, So Boden Greenley
is skyping in. Now where are you, Bowden? Where are
you located?
Speaker 2: I'm in North Dakota, North Dakota.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, Fargo. Well we all we all know about
Fargo because of the movie. But uh so you have
written a book which I read, and thank you for
sending that to us. Uh person, perseverance and very you know,
I referenced earlier when I when I mentioned that you
were going to be joining us. Uh, I mentioned that,
you know, pretty pretty heavy stuff. It's a heavy subject.
It's it's a light read in the sense that it's
not particularly long. But but but it's not a light
read in the sense that, like I said, it's it's
it's pretty heavy stuff. And let me let me ask
you this right up front, and we can kind of
work backwards a little bit. But I want to know
this and then we'll get into for our listeners what
it's about and everything. But how is your mother now,
because the book is of course about the ordeal health
wise that your mother has been through. As we sit
here today, how is she doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so's she's definitely better than she was at her
worst by a lot. But she's certainly not one hundred percent.
I'd say, somewhere in the forty percent realm.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, which I think. I think in the
book that's kind of where you left it was about
she was at about forty percent.
Speaker 2: So yes, So.
Speaker 1: Boden, if if we could, can you go ahead and
tell us about the book and what it's about, and
you know, I'm sure I'll have some questions. I read
it the other night, and I'll have some questions along
the way. But for our listeners to kind of get
get acquainted, i'd like you to kind of tell us
a little bit about the book and what it is
that drove you to write this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this was something that I'd wanted to write
for a long time. It was a situation that directly
involved me, and once I got a little older here,
I was like, I feel like this is something that
is more common than the industry makes it seem like.
It is like this is something to me. I feel
everybody kind of sweeps under the rug, and I really
wanted to get this story out there and make people
knowledgeable on this topic. So basically going back, so right now,
I'm nineteen years old. This started when I was about
twelve years old. So going back, she had a tooth
issue going on, and she was needed an implant and
was debating on getting a ceramic or a titanium implant,
and she doctors pushed her to go titanium. She decided
to go titanium, got that put in there, and then
probably like three months after getting it, she started getting
all these terrible things going on in her body, started
getting really bad. She ended up getting it out like
probably seven months after that, and then just from there
on just kept it was really bad that next year
and then got a little bit better, but then it's
still been struggling with problems for a long long time.
Speaker 1: And and as this is going on, did she or
did anyone have any idea that it was the tooth?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was. It was pretty much
clear as day that it was the tooth. She was
she was as healthy as you could possibly be. Prior
to this. She was a person that was like lifting
every day, ran a lot all these things, and no
just common anything was taken her down at all. Like
she was. She was literally as healthy as it could
be and then got this tooth and right after boom
we got we had problems galore.
Speaker 1: And this is Have you been able to find other
documented cases similar to this or or is this such
a rare thing that that that you really can't find
anything like this happening to anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah? I actually, you know, I haven't looked into specific
cas as a ton, but even so, I'm from a
pretty small town and I even know a couple people
close to me that had similar symptoms to my mom
when getting titanium put in their body, So I know
that this happens.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, it's frustrating.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Jenny, of course, with her her experience and what she's
been through, she knows a lot about when it's difficult
to get something diagnosed and you know, figuring out exactly
what the problem is. You know, she has a lot
of experience with that, and I'm sure there's a lot
of people who can relate to that. You know, when
you're dealing with something that's unusual, it's it's so much
harder to get it diagnosed, because you know, if it's
not something common, you know, really, I mean, why would
the medical community know a lot about it or be
able to figure out and identify the problem and then
go from there and figure out solutions if it's something
that doesn't happen very often.
Speaker 2: H exactly.
Speaker 1: So, So the titanium, it's sort of poisoned her, right,
It caused her, It wrecked her health in a sense. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is one thing I want to really
kind of make clear here. So in my opinion, I
don't believe that the titanium is a huge issue when
dealing with this. The problem is titanium implants are six
percent aluminum, and that's where the problem became. So they
use aluminum as a filler metal. It's because aluminum per
ounce is way cheaper than titanium per ounce, so they
can use that. And keep in mind they're outputting two
point five million implants per year, so when you're talking
that scale, that money that it takes to create the implant,
that really matters. So the aluminum was the issue.
Speaker 3: And if I were, oh, go ahead, Jenny, would no,
I'm just I'm shocked. Yeah, And I never knew. I
never knew that there was aluminum in the titanium implants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it never knew that. It's interesting that you
say that because I think in the book, I think
you kind of talk about that too, Votin that they
don't tell you that up front, right, Like don't they
kind of sell it to you as it's titanium and
they just say that's what it is, And they don't
tell you while it's titanium, but it's also aluminum and
it's this and it's that.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. And it's like maybe somewhere in the fine
print of the contract that's what they say it in there. Yeah,
but they definitely don't make it clear when they're telling you,
that's for sure. And the thing too is, I don't
know if you guys know, lately there's been a big
uprising with aluminum in the deodorance.
Speaker 4: That I'm very if I'm a breast cancer survivor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. So it's like, to me, how
can so now everybody's opening up to aluminum and deodorance,
which is simply just putting it on topically on your skin,
but then it's okay to implant it into your body.
It's like, that makes no sense.
Speaker 3: Right, that's a super valid point. Yeah, one hundred Yeah,
aluminum and deodorant. That's one of the things. One of
the first things they told me to stop using was
antiperspirant because that's the main ingredient there is the aluminum. Yep,
deordorant by itself doesn't have it right.
Speaker 2: Right. And let me take a guess. So you said
you're a breast cancer survivor.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: Was your breast cancer like really close to your armpit?
Speaker 3: No, actually, it was closer to my back. It was
in the back of my breast tissue. And there was
also a pre cancerous area that had started under the areola.
Speaker 4: Okay, I kind of had it on both.
Speaker 3: Sides of this area as far as thickness goes. It
was way up front and way in the back.
Speaker 1: Does make it does make you wonder though, a little bit, right,
of course, of course.
Speaker 3: I mean I can remember when I was a kid,
my dad going, it's time for you to get the odorant. Now,
you know it like it was like a thing you
had to start using deodorant. I mean, yeah, and always
used yodorant. That's like it's ingrained into your head, right,
how many of us bring it to school and reapply?
Speaker 2: I mean, right, yeah, yeah, I was reading a study
the other day. I don't remember exactly what it was,
but there's a big increase in breast cancer towards the
or really close to the armpit because of the they're
saying it's directly linked to the aluminum in the well.
Speaker 3: That's that's where the main lymph nodes start, and that's
where the first two lymph nodes are that are normally
and in my case, we're dissected and removed, and some
people lose way more than that because they keep going.
They start with those lymph nodes right in the armpit.
You're one hundred percent correct, and then it goes backwards
from there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's interesting.
Speaker 3: You've certainly done your resource, that's for sure. And this
is good information to be sharing. Most people don't consider
what's in their anti presperot right that they're using, and
that aluminum actually like blocks you and then gets into
your body.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, right, and that's why they put it in there,
because it actually clogs the gland so you don't sweat
as much.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
Speaker 3: That makes sense, and nobody nobody wants to sweat and
be sky.
Speaker 4: And you're you're really better off if you do sweat.
Speaker 2: Wedding is a good thing.
Speaker 4: Your body's supposed to do it for a reason.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. One of the things that surprised me
in the book Boden was and and this surprised me
in a very sad way. Is I kind of thought
as I'm reading it, as you're going through the story,
once they identified that the tooth was the that titanium
slash aluminum tooth was what was probably the issue, and
they took it out, I would have thought. I would
have hoped that over time she would start to get better.
And I guess she did start to get better, right,
but not enough. As you said, even today she's still
at only forty percent. Because I remember getting to that
part in the story and thinking, Okay, this is probably
a good turning point. Right now she's now that they've
taken that out, hopefully she's hopefully she's sweating it out.
Hopefully you know, it's it's leaving her body, but apparently
not or or maybe it has, but the damage is done.
I don't know, I mean, what what do you say
about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It really is remarkable to me, and I truly
don't understand it. We I don't know. I think she
might go in here and see we were thinking there
might still be fragments of something in her body.
Speaker 4: Because that's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: There's absolutely no way something takes this long to heal,
and I just think her body is whatever is in
her body, she just cannot defend it. So yeah, it's it.
Truly is remarkable. And if there isn't anything else, I
don't know. She just yeah, her body just fighting it
off is impossible. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering what got put into her bloodstream, into her body.
Because this is really hitting home for me because of
the Tomockspin toxicity that I have. Yeah, I'm Tomock's been toxic.
My body can't get rid of it. It implanted itself
everywhere and I'll always be Tomock's fin toxic.
Speaker 4: There's no way to clear it out of my body.
Speaker 3: So and it has had significant effects to my eyes.
Speaker 4: And my ears.
Speaker 3: I mean, my right eye has a hole in it
because of it. But I'm like relating to your mom's
story so much because I'm thinking, yeah, she had this
in her body, and your mouth is actually super super
for us, right, This is in fact, it's one of
the fastest ways to give you a medication is under
your tongue. That is literally one of the fastest ways.
So you have to remember that it's also one of
the quickest ways to get sick because it's oftentimes people
will get a tooth infection those untreated gets into the
blood system and now you can actually die from it.
I mean, I've seen I have seen people in the
intensive care unit with something that started in their mouth,
So that's one hundred percent true. So it makes me
think that that aluminum that was in her mouth for
however long, that there's some kind of like chemical or
whatever that got into her bloodstream because of that, and
is just simply she's.
Speaker 4: Got it and it maybe it's just not you know, there's.
Speaker 3: No there may be no way to completely cleanse her
of it, as there is no way to completely cleanse
me of tomoxifen always going to have deposits in various
parts of my body of it, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's what it is.
Speaker 3: You know, I just feel so identify with with your
mom so much because of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, what inspired you to write the book Boden.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I So my main reason is I want to
get this information out there. I you know, I come
back to do I think titanium is the worst thing
in the world. No, but if we're going to be
still doing these things, it needs to be one hundred
percent titanium or I believe that ceramic or zirconia implants
are much superior. That's what the holistic dentists are preaching now.
But I just want people to be aware that when
they put these things in their body, that there's a
even if it's a really small chance that it completely
ruins your life. And I think that that is going
to make you think twice before getting it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I assume too, you're only nineteen, right, so
I assume your mom is is pretty young and she's
got she's got a lot ahead of her.
Speaker 2: So yeah, she's forty eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it's it's got to be. And you
talked too in the book about how prior to all
this happening, she was very healthy, very fit, and uh
not someone who I mean, it's it's got to be. Obviously,
it would be difficult for anybody to go through this,
but I would imagine it's especially difficult for someone like
her who's used to being so active.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it, it is terrible. I mean none,
nothing short of terrible. She she's super fit person, she
was a dietitian, physical trainer all that, so that was
like her big thing and it's been really difficult, hard.
Speaker 1: There's a point in the book too that that I
found particularly heartbreaking. When she was she she was at
a point where she was starting to feel better, significantly better,
and it seemed like it was a really good turning point,
and she kind of maybe she pushed herself a little
too hard or something, but she was out somewhere I
think maybe with one of your siblings, if I remember correctly, Yes,
and she was really she was having a good day
and it was going well and she's feeling good, and
then all of a sudden, she just started feeling terrible again,
and it was just this enormous setback, and I think
she fell, if I remember correctly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so there there was kind of two. So
you're referring to when she took my little brother to
the zoo, and actually, oh yeah, it wasn't It wasn't
anything super crazy. She just she literally just walked too much.
That's what she says. She walked too much that day
and she felt like a big just drop. She calls
it poison in her body because that's it feels like
tingling all over, and she felt it drop into her legs,
and she said she knew she was in trouble when
that happened. Oh god. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then it was after that it was kind of
back to square one, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So she had up to that point, she
had gotten that was the best she'd been before that day.
She was probably up to a good sixty percent, and
then yeah, that happened, and been struggling more with the
lower body.
Speaker 1: Now, wow, that's horrible.
Speaker 3: It sounds like CPS. Yeah, yeah, because that's what happened
with me. Everything was upper body and then it dropped
into my legs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So crazy. I'm so sorry your mom has had to
struggle through these. I commend you for what you're doing.
It's so important to get this, to get information out
there so people are informed and can make informed choices.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: How does she feel about the book?
Speaker 2: You know, so kind of funnier right away. So I
didn't tell her that I wrote it until it was
already done because I knew that she was kind of
a stubborn person and it is kind of embarrassed about
the whole situation, and probably did not want to be
a main focal talking point. But then once I brought
it to her, she was really happy and we had
a good moment about it, and I told her that
this is a message that needs to get out there,
and it sucks that you're kind of the talking point,
but it has to get out there. I just don't
want to see this happen to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So has this kind of spurred her to do any
other Like does she do any interviews or any kind
of media about this or is it just just your
book for now that you've written.
Speaker 2: Mainly just my book for now. Yeah, she's not. She
just doesn't really like that kind of thing talking about it.
You know, she's just a super she's a stubborn person,
she's tough nosed, and she's yeah, like I said, kind
of embarrassed about it. So I'll be the guy to
talk about it absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, you know, to be able
to do this and even survive, you know, you've got
to be tough, right, So so yeah, someone not with
the fortitude that she obviously has. You know, a would
have thrown in the towel by now, But she's obviously
a very strong person to be able to continue to
deal with this every day and continue to function and
live and wow, And have you written other things prior
to this or is this your first book or have.
Speaker 2: You red this was my first book?
Speaker 1: Wow? Good for you, Good for you. No, it's excellent.
Did you have an editor or did you do everything yourself?
Speaker 2: Or yeah? I had, I had an editor, and then
I had a guy who helped me with the cover.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, it's very good. I
encourage people to read it.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I'm also curious because I don't think you addressed this
specifically in the book, but in terms of so they
removed the titanium, you know, and partially aluminum tooth. Did
they replace it with something or does she just not
have a tooth there now or what happened there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just empty there?
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, yes, sir, I didn't know if I didn't
know if there was a danger in not putting something
else there or I mean, I guess at the moment,
it probably doesn't much matter because what what she's already
dealing with is so difficult that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it was like at the time when they
were taking it out, you know, they probably would have
wanted to put something back over top, but she was
just like, I feel so bad right now, just get
it out and we'll deal with it after.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, though, I can definitely understand that. I
can understand that is there any is there any kind
of hope? What have you and she and your family
been able to find anything that any sort of alternative
treatment or anything that that might help her or she
just kind of kind of stuck at forty percent, And
that's that's kind of it for the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've been really reaching out to a lot
of people I've found in the more alley of holistic dentistry,
which is more like natural practice dentistry, and there's some
there's potentially some heavy metal detox we're gonna look into
down the road here that I want to get into.
But she's actually going in I believe next week sometime
to get a scan of her head to make sure
there's no leftover fragments.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, excellent, and then if uh, of course and
that's that'll be if they find something, that's half the
battle I guess right, locating, But then they have to
figure out how to get it out right.
Speaker 2: So exactly, which then that will be difficult. But if
they find something, we'll get it done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and at least too then you'll know. Then you'll
have an answer, you know, Is that? Is that? What
it is? Is there any kind of a theory about why? Because,
like I said that, there's that point where she started
feeling significantly better. I mean, I assume you've probably all
been over this a million times, but has have have
you and she and your family tried to figure out
what it was during that period that was different that
helped her to feel so much better before where she
she had that setback and all of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I I really don't know. It's such
a it's such an interesting thing to me. It's like,
like you stated earlier, It's like when when once we
got it removed, you're thinking, all right, we're probably getting
better here, you know, eventually at least, yeah, she was,
she was getting so much better, and I'm thinking, oh, yes,
I'm fine, my mom's finally gonna be all the way better,
and then it was just like one day she walks
too much, Like what the f. You know, there's there's
no way. I mean, she she was as fit as
somebody could be, so to her, even walking a lot,
that was like exerting twenty percent. You know, So there's
there's just no and I, yeah, I really don't understand.
But yeah, to answer your question, I I don't really
know what it was exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it must be so hard to And you
do talk about this quite a bit in the book.
You know, you get very personal about the challenge is
or your family. You know, obviously she's going through this
terrible thing, but it but it affects all of you.
You know, it affects your dad and your siblings and
how hard that is and how you know and when
you're a kid, you know, I mean it's probably although adults,
it's it's a challenge for anybody right of any age,
but especially when you're growing up and you know when
you're this started when you were twelve, right, you said
you were twelve when this whole thing started, Yes, sir,
Like you don't know at that age how to handle
all of this emotionally and to see your mother going
through this and you're sibling. Are you the oldest of uh?
Are you the oldest of three?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 2: Yes, I am the oldest. And then I get right
in so right now I'm nineteen. I have a middle
brother who's sixteen, and then I have a youngest brother's ten.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, I mean your ten year old brothers.
You know, for him, it's got to be very very hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, Yeah, it was really hard. And
I talked about this a little bit. I did a
bad job as well. You know, I was I was
so young, and I kind of just got caught up
in my own little world and I almost I talked
about a little bit. I almost got annoyed, you know,
it'd say, why am why is this? This just isn't
fair to me, selfishly thinking why is my mom like this?
This is ridiculous. But then it's like later on it's like,
oh man, I was terrible.
Speaker 3: You know, now, don't do that to yourself, to yourself.
You're you're you're young, you're you know, you're a kid.
Your brain is wired a particular way, and it's not
a bad thing about you that in that moment you
weren't able to view the entire the entirety of what
was going on. And that's just a process of getting older.
You can't fault yourself for being a kid and not
seeing a full view because you just didn't get there yet.
Speaker 4: You know, now you do.
Speaker 3: Look at everything you're doing. You're doing incredible things. You
didn't just come around. You came around to become a
champion to make sure that other people are forewarned. And
that's absolutely remarkable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I mean it's you know, it's good to
reflect on.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: There's such a thin line between you know, kind of
reflecting and analyzing, a thin line between that and ruminating
on the past and beating yourself up and whatnot. But
I but I think it. You know, it's good to
reflect on on what you maybe could have done differently
so that you're able to be supportive going forward. But again,
like Jenny, like Jenny said, I mean, when you're a kid,
you know, you're you're still trying to mature and and
uh and grow emotionally, and you know, to feel some
sort of resentment or frustration along the way or well,
you know, that's perfectly normal. That's normal for adults too.
But but especially when you're a kid. It's like, you know,
you got a you really got got your family, your
mom especially, but your family really got delta BA bad hand,
uh with this whole situation. So you did the best
you could. And and and the great thing about writing
this book is, you know, hopefully this is going to
help other people. Like you said, you want to raise
awareness about this and kind of warn people about what
they might be getting into. And uh, you know, make
sure too that you're you know, if somebody wants to
put titanium in, you read the fine print, make sure
you know is ask your doctor, ask the surgeon. Is
there anything else other than titanium. I'm trying to think
of what else do they use titanium for it? I'm
not sure hip replacements right, I think hip replacements are.
Speaker 3: Everything pretty much is because it doesn't set up a
metal detector, and it's it's it's a rather good material,
you know, I mean everybody, you know, you need to
be informed. Maybe there's things you look out for, you know,
maybe maybe there's some kind of allergy involved with aluminium
that triggers in some people and not others.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, you don't.
Speaker 3: I'm a titanium knee and it went remarkably well. Yeah,
so there's there's the good and you know, well this
couldn't baden anything. So really just being fully informed and
then making informed choices, you know, or maybe you know,
maybe you get tested for heavy metal or whatever. I
don't know what the exact answer is to it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, doesn't sound like anyone does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kind of tough because,
like you said, and I kind of say this a
little bit too, it's like most people are probably gonna
get it and be just fine. But in my opinion,
I think if something like this is even a potential,
I just don't find myself taking that risk. And I
think as time goes on, we're going to start to
see alternatives that are safer or at least, like I said,
I would like to see everything be all one hundred
percent titanium. I would be more okay with that even.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now that you've written this book, do
you have plans to write another one or are you
going to continue writing or maybe maybe write about other
things or what's kind of your trajectory in terms of writing.
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I never thought I would do anything even
close to this. It's funny because when I was probably
mid teens, I said how much I hated reading, and
then now I'm just I'm just a reading freak. I
love reading and I love writing too. So yeah, but
as for writing more, my hope, my hope is that
we find an answer with my mom, we get her detox,
and I want to write about that. That is my
That is my end goal.
Speaker 1: Oh and that would be wonderful. That would be a
wonderful book to write, wouldn't it.
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be That would be awesome.
Speaker 1: I would love to read that. So yeah, so hopefully,
hopefully that happens. Boden Greenley, thank you so much. Before
we let you go too, I want to make sure
everyone knows where to get your book. Of course, it
is called Perseverance, And what do people need to know
about how to get it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So right now it's available on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, well that's easy. Yeah, that's easy. And we
should tell people to tell people how to because Boden
is not a name you here every day? How do
people uh spell that when they're looking for you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's b O E D N. And then Greenley
is green l e.
Speaker 1: Y okay, okay, well listen, thank you so much for
joining us today. Like I said, I it's an excellent book.
I I want to say I enjoyed reading it, but
enjoy isn't quite the right word, because, like I said,
it's such a it's such an unhappy subject. But yeah,
but I'm really glad. I'm really glad that you sent
it to us and that we were able to do
this today and help absolutely you know, if even if
we help one person or or prevent possibly one person
from making a mistake, that's that's a good thing. So
I'm really glad you were able to do join us
and and even you know, even if it's a while
before you have written anything else, if you have any
kind of a big update on your mom in the future,
we'd love to have you back. This is something that
we want to continue to pay attention to and and
support you and your family and in any way that
we can. So so let's uh, let's definitely stay in touch.
Speaker 2: Boden, Absolutely great, all right, very good.
Speaker 1: Boden Greenley, thank you so much, and we'll we'll talk
to you again in the future, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, guys, appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You got it, all right, bye bye bye bye. All right.
So that was Boden Greenley and he is the author
of Perseverance, which you can find at uh amazon dot com.
And yeah, like I said, it's a it's a good read,
but a very it's a very difficult subject.
Speaker 4: Medicine always is, absolutely, absolutely