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d banking? I had the first time I became aware
of this actually was a story I came across several
years ago, maybe like five years ago. Of it was
actually a porn star who had been d banked the
bank accounts that she was using her like just like
you have a bank account. She had a bank account
and she would get paid, she would deposit the money
in or whatever, and then and at some point the
bank told her your account has closed. You got to
take all your money out, and it was it was,
and she claimed it was because of her work in
the porn industry. And then I heard about it again.
There were some people complaining about it related to like
Second Amendment stuff like they either were running a gun
shop or something like that. Like I said, this has
been years ago, but I remember I remember hearing about
this thing. I may have. I think I covered the
porn story, and I think I covered the Second Amendment thing.
The don't remember the details. The one that then really
popped was the Canadian truck drivers when they started protesting
during the lockdowns, when Canada went full authoritarian up there,
and in order to stop the truck driver protest, they
started debanking the protest leaders. And when you get debanked,
now you don't have any way to engage in commerce, right,
it's like an economic death penalty. Well, apparently Donald Trump
got d banked. Donald Trump was on squawk Box and
it's on CNBC. I think it's like a financial related
show whatever, and he was. He was on there to
talk about this executive order again that that would slap
penalties onto banks for d banking. And oh, I forgot
to mention. The biggest one that I heard after the
truck driver example, the Canadian truckers. The next one was
after Jason. That's when I started hearing more stories of
people getting debanked. And that's when they did it to
Trump was after January sixth, and you know, with the
space and distance and time of five years, there are
a lot of people in the media who want to
pretend that the atmosphere after J six wasn't what I knew,
it was what you knew it to be.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: We all remember I remember watching J six. I was
actually it was during COVID and I was doing the
podcast and I was watching Roy Cooper, my good friend Ray.
I was watching his COVID briefing, so I was not
aware of all the stuff that was going on as
it was occurring and afterwards, and I started going back
and I started looking at the footage and all this
stuff later on in the day, and I said at
the time, like, this is going to be very bad
for Republicans, not because of what occurred, because you know,
we didn't know the full extent of everything that happened
and all that, but this is going to be used
to justify every transgression that the left will now be
empowered to take. And they did. They absolutely did right
all the J sixers, whether it was you know, somebody
who was putting their feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk,
or it was somebody who followed the instructions of a
Capitol Hill police officer who waved her into the Capitol
and walked through the velvet rope line and then walked
out of the building. Either way, it didn't matter, right
the government threw the book at All of them had
court appointed lawyers that hated their clients. And one lawyer
I remember reading, was celebrating how and virtue signaling of
you know, how she would get all of her plea
deals by browbeating these Jason sixers into you know, just
to admit that what you did was wrong and now
you've learned your lesson and all this like this, this
is your own attorney, your own defense attorney, who's cutting
deals for you know, prison time for you because you
walked in to the Capitol. Some people walked in and
I know the left in the media, but I repeat myself.
I know they don't want to hear this, but there
were a lot of people that walked in there thinking
they were allowed to be in there. These are they
some of them had ever been to the Capitol before.
They didn't know it was closed. That once the doors
were opened up and people started going in, then a
lot of people went in. That's not to excuse the
violent ones. And I disagreed when Trump pardoned the violent
J sixers. He should not have done that. If you
engaged in violence against law enforcement or against the taxpayer
funded you know, properties, then no you should you should
be penalized for that. But if you were not engaged
in violence, you were not kicking in the windows and such,
you were at the back of this MASSI approaches like
a lot of people just showed up at the Capitol
after they had already gotten in. They were marching down
from the from the rally site. They had to walk
all that way down you know, whatever road it is,
and they walk all that way several blocks. They finally
get there and all they see is like a whole
bunch of people around the capitol and a bunch of
people going in. And so they walked in like that
to me is not That does not warrant incarceration or
even charges if you find out that the person was
just there walking through and there were a lot of them,
hundreds of them. Okay. Nick Sercy has a documentary about this,
Actually I think he did too. Nick Serci world famous actor,
Peabody Award winning he played Deputy Art Mullen on Justified.
He was also Frank from Fried Green Tomatoes. Anyway, He's
from western North Carolina, so you know, I've had him
on the show. I've interviewed him before, and like he
talked about this because he was there, and he's like,
I didn't see any of the stuff. I was there.
I saw none of the violence that we are shown
on all of the clips and stuff. So a lot
of those people got d banked. There was this nationwide
man hunt for anybody that was at the scene. Anybody
had you know, facial recognition programs running, they had, like
the FBI pulled from all of these other investigations. They
went full bore at them, and part of that effort
was dbanking. So the media has now woken up to
this because of Trump's executive order, and now they're like, oh, oh,
what's this issue? And you're going to be shocked to
find out that the media is minimizing the de banking issue.
Here's then, Alison Morrow. President Donald Trump is doubling down
on d banking, a once niche political issue that now
appears deeply personal for him, a once niche political issue
which is dismissive. She's dismissing this Oh, that's just Nietzche
niche niche niche anyway. Oh, like it's such a tiny thing.
Nobody cares about this. Oh but it's personal for him, Yes,
personal for anybody who gets d banked and now they
can't engage in any kind of commerce. You have no bank.
Mark Halprin actually did a very good job on this issue.
He has a podcast called two Way, and on that
podcast he has a longtime Democrat guy Dan Turnantine or Turntine,
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media landscape more transparent. Got this message from Mark. It's
a Pete tweet. Mark says, Mike Lindell, the my pillow
guy was d banked as well, almost lost his business.
It's just a niche, I say. I think I need
to say it like niche. But I sound I sound
too French, you know what I mean. I don't like
sounding French. So anyway, Mark Halprin talking about this issue
because the Wall Street Journal did a big story on
it after Trump announced he was gonna do an executive
order to penalize banks for engaging in this kind of behavior.
Here he is talking on his podcast with it's called
two Way, and here he is talking with Dan Turantine
or Turantine, that's the first voice you're gonna hear besides Marx,
and then you're gonna hear Sean Spicer. After that, here
we go.
Speaker 3: The President today told a story about his own debanking. Yeah,
this is this is one of the most undercovered stories
of the last ten years. And it's undercovered because the
New York Times, the Washington Post doesn't want to write
stories that are sympathetic to Republicans, and the Wall Street Journal.
This is an incredible story of people who have been
debanked across the conservative movement. And it's not some small
thing to be debanked. It's not like, oh, you know, okay,
I can't bank it Chase, I'll bank it a Bank
of America. If you are debanked, you cannot bank anywhere.
And even if you don't run your own business where
of courts, you need a bank account. Not having a
bank account, credit cards atm it's it's a It's Orwellian
And go look through the archives of the Washington Post,
New York Times, and Wall Street Journal. You will find
next to know stories about this. So the President signed
the executive order and here he is telling his own
story of being debanked. One eleven.
Speaker 2: Please, well, they did discriminate. I had JP Morgan Chase.
I had hundreds of millions of dollars in cash. I
could see if they want to, you know, if they
want to do something bad because you're not any money
and you defaulted and they took people out. But I'll
give you me as an example. I had hundreds of millions,
I had many many accounts loaded up with cash. I
was loaded up with cash, and they told me, I'm sorry, sir,
we can't have you. You have twenty days to get out.
They said, you got to be kidding. I've been with
you for thirty five forty years, they said. And I
mean I had all this, I didn't know what to
do with it. And I went to and you could
ask him, maybe he's not going to admit it. So
I said, you know, I was informed by my people
that we have to get out of Chase Manhn and
that's Jamie and JP Morgan Chase. So I said, I
can't believe it. Well, I was never in this situation before.
I've never had anything like it. And it's not like
g You defaulted and alone. You know, Jesus if I
could understand that, that's different. But there's no default. I mean,
there's nothing but cash. It's a really good I have
a really great company did so.
Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal reports that the executive order would
subject banks who violated an order banning discrimination against conservative
subject to monetary penalties, consent decrees, or other disciplinary measures,
and then later in the story they say it could
also be potentially referred to the Justice Department for criminal charges.
Dan will this executive order, which as best I can
tell from the general description, is not retroactive, will this
be welcomed by the banking community or will they fight it?
Speaker 4: I think they won't fight it because they don't want
to pick a fight with Trump. I look, as you say,
it's been under reported. It's the first time that I
had heard him that he spoke to Jamie Diamond, and
he made it sound almost like Diamond called the Trump people,
but that he didn't do it. And then Trump went
on to say he called Brian moynihan, and Brian moynihan
said no, as well, who's the CEO of Bank of America. Look,
it's it's not that. It's as Trump said, It's one
thing if you go into default or you're you've engaged
in some illicit financial activity, where a bank would say Okay,
you're violating banking laws. I imagine this was after January sixth,
when he was unpopular and they just didn't want to
be associated with them, which is not not okay in
my opinion. So I look forward to hearing more about it,
but I don't think the banking community will say a
peep about it.
Speaker 3: Sean Sean, this may sound like a rhetorical or plaintiff question,
but how could this have happened in America? Don't these
banks have board Don't these banks have boards of directors
that have some conservatives on them.
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, this is to your point, beyond Trump,
this is a big issue, especially in the Second Amendment
area where they have debanked organizations or anyone that has
to do with firearms, Second Amendment, right life issues.
Speaker 3: Also also crypto, but not but not just those sectors.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: But I'm I'm just saying that this has been going on,
to your point, largely unnoticed. The bank that I'm on
the board of, in full disclosure, Old Glory Bank, was
literally that was the nexus behind it is to give
a place where, no matter of your views, your money
could be saved and grow. And it's grown two hundred
and forty five percent in the past twelve months or
twelve twenty four months, because people are basically I don't
want to have to worry about it. So it's not
just a cultural thing. It's the philosophy is you will
never be debanked, but the idea that major corporate I mean,
to your point, no, these boards are are complicit in this,
and no one's speaking up for it. But you're literally
telling organizations and people because of your political views, your
money's no good here. And to your point, it's not
as simple as oh well, then we'll just go from
Bank of America to Chase. They're all in it together.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And I think the other thing too, is because it
sounds like this happened to Trump after twenty twenty. In
my own experience when I in my previous career, I
can't tell you how much board of directors lost their
minds the summer of twenty twenty, after George Floyd and
everything else, the pressure on companies to start making statements
because I had many meetings, many phone calls advising not
to do this, because once you open the door to
one person's politics, you expose yourself to the pendulum swing.
And then you're caught, you know, kind of trying to
ping pong and satisfy yea, who's ever in power? But
boards of directors were considered waiting into or out of
in this instance, so many things that historically companies would
never have touched ever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say to your question.
Speaker 1: Though.
Speaker 5: Part of the reason that they don't get they don't
cover it, and I you know, I'm not trying to
be hyperbolic, is because they agree. I mean, the New
York Times say, is good, I'm glad you can't get that,
and the washing boats so it's not a story of
them because the reporter says, yeah, you don't deserve I.
Speaker 1: Mean, most of these people agree with those tactics, but
they agree. I saw people calling for this. They would
dismiss any complaints about de banking as well. You deserved it.
Even now after what this Wall Street Journal story talks about,
Even now with the examples that it provided, CNN calls
this a once niche political issue that now appears deeply
personal for Trump. Everything through the prism of Trump Right.
While Trump's at times rocky professional history with Wall Street
Banks is well documented, he aligned himself Tuesday with many
of his mega supporters who claim they've been shut out
from mainstream finance, telling CNBC that the banks discriminated against
him very badly and it was very good to the banks.
Trump was responding to questions about an executive order he
was preparing to sign that would direct bank regulators to
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directed customers on political or religious grounds. And then it
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on the text line d Banking happens more than you think.
Banks work together to keep certain customers out. It's hard
for a customer to prove and that's why banks get
away with it. Let me play another clip here. This
is a continuation of the conversation over at Mark Halperin's
Two Way podcast. He's got Sean Spicer, formerly of the
first Trump administration, he's the former Press secretary, and Dan Turntine,
who is a Democrat, and they do this regularly. I
don't know if it's every day, but it's I think
it's once a week. Maybe it's every day. But the
podcast it's called two Way, and they're talking about this
D banking executive order that Trump signed, but also the
Wall Street Journal report where detailed, you know, several cases
of the D banking problem. And so here is the
rest of the rest of their comments.
Speaker 3: I want to know where were the Republican members of Congress.
Why didn't they do more?
Speaker 4: Ah, because they were being pummeled about January sixth. So
one of the big movements in corporate America was cut
off all pack money to republic any Republican.
Speaker 3: But this isn't but this isn't just about January six.
Speaker 4: Well, Mark, but it all became this stew of George
Floyd Charlotte.
Speaker 1: You're right right now. So I'm going to stop the
clip for a second because it was j six related.
I saw people calling for the you know, the D
banking of people like Dan Bishop, congressman at the time.
Right now, he's up at the Office of Management Budget.
I saw people making these arguments, you know, and somebody
would complain that they got debanked, and then I'd see
people respond on social media. Good, that's what you get
for participating in an insurrection right.
Speaker 3: Right about the context, Dan, I'm just saying the silence
on the part of people who were affected and people
should have advocated for them. It's it's un American what happened.
Speaker 5: Well, but the problem was is that that First of all,
I agree with you Mark on the sense of where
were Republican members of Congress speaking up and saying this.
But to Dan's point, they were getting squeezed by saying,
you know, hey, we're going to cut off this. They
weren't the majority. And you watch these guys, and this
is where I have a problem with my own party,
where all of these guys are not coming back and like, oh,
I'm really sorry, we screwed you, Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 1: Et cetera. And I get it.
Speaker 5: They're playing a game smart on them and that's their
business they should be. That's their job is to look
up for their companies. But our job on the right
is to hold them accountable and the same no, no, no, no,
you don't get back with a million dollar contribution to
the inaugural.
Speaker 3: I would like to I would like to interview every
executive producer and every executive editor every major news organization
and say, did you know about this story?
Speaker 1: Did you know that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And I can just say Sean Republicans did, so. I
want to be careful here. I advised what I advised.
The entity did not end up doing what a lot
of Democrats wanted. We got. I got a phone call
from a Republican saying, if you go ahead with what
Democrats are saying, we will never forget. We're keeping score.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 4: I knew that already, so they didn't have to call me,
but I always appreciated being called. But both sides were threatening,
you have to do this because this is outrageous. If
you do this, it's insanity and we'll never forget. So
Republicans work quietly under the radar.
Speaker 5: Back in the day, if Tom Delay was still in Congress,
we would have a list and say you're not dealing
with these guys again. And I I to me the
idea that JP Morgan and Bank of America got away
with this and and they're not paying a bigger price
is bad on Republicans. Republicans need to hold them accountable
and say, Okay, you guys had it your way, but
you know what, now we're going to hold you accountable.
And I just, I'm it is shameful that Republicans are
not holding them more to account. And look, to Mark's point,
this was a big issue with the Second Amendment in
pro life communities for a long time before it reached
a boiling point. And and so I just it's it's.
Speaker 3: Also it's also it's also part of why the multi
billion dollar crypto industry is now totally a wholly unsubsidiary
of the Republican Party.
Speaker 4: Well, it's Austin why, like I keep saying, I don't
feel like this is the end of democracy what Trump
is doing. Like Democrats did some of the same things,
we just did it in a different way, and most
people's sensibilities in the media agreed with it.
Speaker 1: This guy Tarantine is spot on, spot on right. He's
not on with He's not in line with this end
of democracy argument that Democrats keep screaming about. He's not
down with this. Oh I actually just saw this speaking
of the end of democracy. James Carville says that if
his party wins back power in twenty twenty eight, then
the Democrats should blow up the filibuster, add two new states,
add two states to America, and pack the Supreme Court.
Here's Guy Benson talking to Stuart Varney on Fox Business.
Speaker 6: This is how the left now thinks, which is anything
that they don't like is an attack on our democracy,
and anything that they do in pursuit of their power
is democracy. It is so simplistic and almost childish and
very silly. But it's also scary because I think you
will see an another big push for this.
Speaker 2: If guys, if.
Speaker 6: Old guard, old school Dems like Carville are now saying
let's add states and let's pack the Supreme Court, that
is a worrisome turning point in the Democratic Party. And
I would simply just ask this question. The Republicans have
the trifactor right now. He's saying, well, if we get
it back in twenty eight, Okay, Republicans have it right now.
If they were to move to create East and West Oklahoma,
and let's say in north and South Alabama a couple
of new states, and let's add a five new Supreme
Court seats and let Donald Trump fill all of them.
Would that be greeted as a safeguarding of democracy by
these exact same people, or would their hair be on fire?
I would argue quite rightly that this is way too far.
Speaker 1: We all, yeah, way too far. Absolutely it is. But Democrats,
once again, they get to make these statements, say these
crazy things, and media give them no pushback. They get
to call everybody they disagree with a Nazi and the
media just mm hmm, yes hmm. If you're a Republican
and you call Zoron Mamdani a communist, because you know,
he talks about seizing the means of production, he talks
about Marxism. He says we're going to run government grocery stores.
Like when he says we're going to tax the billionaires.
There shouldn't be any billionaires, right when he says all
of these things, and oh no, no, no, no, that's
a Pinocchio rating right there. We need a fact check
on Aisle Zoron like.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: See, this is why I've been saying it. You guys
on the left, you've become intellectually flabby. And I blame
the media, as I do with most things, the things
they devote attention to, and how they cover stories, story selection,
all of this stuff. It's all part of the mix.
When you don't push back on dumb assery coming out
of the Democrats' mouths, right, you just make them weaker.
Now whether or not the reporters are intellectually incapable of
pushing back or asking questions because they are just so
far partisan gone, you know, they are just in lockstep
with the ideology that these thoughts don't have a cross
their mind. Right, This this playing of devil's advocate, and
it's not part of their repertoire. They don't know how
to do it for a Democrat, and that's possible. The
only arguments that they can get into are against Republicans
because they're Nazis. So yeah, on this d banking issue,
this is a good example of it. Alison Morrow's piece
at CNN, who then says, we're gonna unpack what d
banking is and why it's become a go to complaint
for conservative groups, crypto industry advocates, and the president. So
we're gonna explain it to you, CNN reader and viewer.
We're gonna tell you why this is all just much
to do about nothing. This is zim Molehill being made
into a mountain by Donald well Trump, the Nazi Orange Nazi.
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from Russ, who says, I'm old enough to remember social
media posts and videos and articles recommending D banking for
people who chose not to get the COVID vaccine. Well, Russ,
that's because you're so much older than I am. That
was before my time. That's ancient history. Now, who could
remember such a thing. CNN's going to give us the
rundown on what d banking has been, and broadly, D banking,
CNN reports, is an umbrella term for when a bank
turns away a potential customer. It's actually not the case
right out of the gate. She's wrong. D banking is
when they say you have to leave their bank when
you have an account, you have a relationship, and then
the bank says, take all your money and leave. We
don't want you as a client anymore, she says. And
this could happen for a ton of reasons. Maybe you've
got bad credit or a history of not paying loans,
or associations with criminal enterprises or business movel potentially based
on selling unregistered securities in a highly volatile and speculative
financial ecosystem. Or I will add, maybe you work in
the porn industry where this stuff first started happening, as
I mentioned earlier. Or you are a gun shop owner,
Second Amendment advocacy group, you know, stuff like that. She says,
to be clear, Americans don't have a legal right to
a bank, and it's not unusual for a bank to
reject a person or business they see as risky. That's
not what we're talking about, CNN. Not the same thing.
D banking became an issue because banks weaponized access to
their service against conservatives. That's when this happened. As you
just heard the Democrat guy Dan Turnantine explain, he was
against this. He urged people don't do this. His fellow
Democrats don't do this. This is the pendulum swinging back
the other direction. She then says, this has long caused
problems for undocumented people. Well, yes, if you don't have
documents because you are an illegal alien, then yes, I see,
that would be a problem except for Bank of America.
Remember when they started opening bank accounts for anybody, you
didn't need those types of identification. This was gosh, twenty
years ago. More recently, the term has been co opted
by conservative groups. It's not a co opting. Alison Morrow
it's not a co opting of the term. It is
the proper use of the term. The banks co opted
the practice to weaponize it against conservatives, that's what happened.
But conservatives groups see themselves as victims of a left
wing value system that's can root across corporate America. Yeah,
it did. That's why we got all these ridiculous statements
in the wake of the death of Saint George Floyd.
As Dan Turntyne explained and as Sean Spicer pointed out,
this is why the cryptocurrency industry is joined at the
hip with the Republican Party. Now, that's why the two
industries are getting along, or the industry and the party.
That's why they're getting along is because they recognize now
the importance of having an alternative way to keep your
money safe, to keep it away from government and left
wing business leaders that try to punish people for holding
double plus un good thoughts. Now, I mentioned earlier about
how the left constantly uses these terms, like, you know,
the Republicans are Nazis and all of that. David Strom
had a up on this yesterday. Actually, he said, if
the Pravda media, which is his term legacy media, if
they challenged Democrats every time they compared Republicans to Nazis.
How long before the Democrats tried a less insane tactic.
My prediction is it would happen pretty quickly. Right as
annoying as it is to be compared to Nazis, it's
not hard to see why Democrats keep doing it, and
it is because the media encourages them to do so
because they never question them on it. PolitiFact will write
a long and detailed explanation defending Mamdani even though he
says things like sees the means of production, he wants
to eliminate private property right. But if Mamdanni were to
accuse a Republican of being a Nazi, well, then the
media nods along, and that gives them the permission structure
to keep using the terms. And this is a problem
because legacy media still remains influential even among people who
mistrusted Look First. They still have the privilege of determining
the Overton window. Like the things that are acceptable to
talk about in political discourse. That's the Overton window. Although
Donald Trump yes has managed to expand that window significantly.
You never hear about far left groups or politicians, but
everybody to the right of John McCain or Mitt Romney
is far right. And when they were running for president
by the two By the way, those two were also
considered to be far right, but now they're not right
because they lost. This influences the thinking of people who
believe themselves to be centrists, and they don't like the
extremes in both parties. By defining the quote extremes, the
media substantially shifts the Overton window to the left. And
all the Nazi talk is absurd, yes, and even most
people who hear it know that it is at best hyperbole.
But the Democrats do it because the media wants to
help them set the Overton window, which David Strom says
brings him to his point that the media, even than
the Democrats, they're the real enemies we have to fight.
If the media held Democrats accountable to even minimal standards
of truth and reasonable levels of hyperbole, we would have
better Democrats and maybe even better Republicans. This is why
I am so hard on media and have been for years.
I was a reporter. I have seen this firsthand. If
you guys hold democrats to a higher standard, you will
get better democrats. Stop letting them get away with their
dumb assery and their insane remarks. You're getting worse democrats.
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