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Speaker 1: Thanks very much, Madison. It has been a very interesting weekend,
Speaker 1: that is for sure. My name is Dan Ray. I'm
Speaker 1: the host of Nightside. Feeling a little better medically than
Speaker 1: I felt last week, but it's still not at one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. Rob Brooks hopefully is feeling absolutely at one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. He's back in the control room. Rob, I'm
Speaker 1: here all week I hope you are as well. Okay,
Speaker 1: got the A team here all week long, and you
Speaker 1: are also part of the A team if you're a
Speaker 1: regular listener here to Nightside, or even better yet a
Speaker 1: regular caller. We have a lot to discuss. We very
Speaker 1: special guest coming up at nine o'clock tonight, the President
Speaker 1: of the International Teamsters, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, will
Speaker 1: join us. Sean O'Brien. He's the general president of that organization.
Speaker 1: He played a very significant role in the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four election. We'll discuss that role and how he feels
Speaker 1: the Trump administration is doing. And certainly the timing could
Speaker 1: not be better for a Trump administration. There's a report
Speaker 1: that now Reuters has confirmed that there apparently will be
Speaker 1: a ceasefire in the Middle East could take place even
Speaker 1: before this show ends tonight. Quite a turnaround from Saturday
Speaker 1: evening when all of us were sort of surprised and
Speaker 1: shocked that that two week extension only was a two
Speaker 1: day extension. And we'll have to see how this all transpires.
Speaker 1: Maybe Donald Trump has played his cards right. We will
Speaker 1: talk with Sean O'Brien about that, and they give you
Speaker 1: a chance to weigh in a little bit later on tonight.
Speaker 1: But first we have four really interesting guests, as we
Speaker 1: always do in the first hour, and of course during
Speaker 1: the first hour there are no phone calls, so you
Speaker 1: can sit back, relax, put your feed up, enjoy your beverage.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it's a nice iced beverage of some sort, because
Speaker 1: it's pretty here in New England. With US is retired
Speaker 1: Major General Bob Dees General Welcome. I need to salute you.
Speaker 1: How are you, sir?
Speaker 2: Good Dan good to be with night side.
Speaker 1: I got his high up as back for it, so
Speaker 1: I was saluting everybody, everybody who walked by. It didn't matter,
Speaker 1: didn't matter. You're also with a great group called the
Speaker 1: National Center for Healthy Veterans. I want to talk to
Speaker 1: you about them, but before we do that, and I
Speaker 1: will save some time for us to talk about that
Speaker 1: their great work. But as I said, before we do that,
Speaker 1: like to get your sense as to what's going on.
Speaker 1: This is a pretty fast moving story. We've gone from
Speaker 1: bunker busting bombs we all were hearing about it about
Speaker 1: forty eight hours ago at this time, to we may
Speaker 1: have some sort of a ceasefire according to President Trump.
Speaker 1: What's going on here? A lot of people and the
Speaker 1: stock market did well today and oil prices dropped. You
Speaker 1: could have won a lot of money on that sometime
Speaker 1: betting on Saturday night about midnight.
Speaker 3: Correct, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2: Boy, You're right. It's been fast moving, Dan, And just
Speaker 2: six hours ago, you know, I would have predicted we'd
Speaker 2: be talking about battle damage assessment and this and that.
Speaker 2: But the reality is, yes, it's been announced there's a
Speaker 2: peace deal. Apparently the President Trump called Prime Minister net
Speaker 2: and Yahoo and then some of the Vice President was
Speaker 2: working with Iran and some of their representatives and so
Speaker 2: apparently they've broke her to peace deal and it's supposed to,
Speaker 2: as you said, take place about three four hours from now.
Speaker 2: So it's pretty amazing. I think it does illustrate the
Speaker 2: power of deterrence. You know, we went in strong, precise
Speaker 2: accomplished the mission with you know, startling success to be honest,
Speaker 2: and everybody else just sort of saluted. As you were
Speaker 2: referring to, Iran is sort of acting like a specialist
Speaker 2: for right now to salute anything that walks by.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it's a little early to know exactly the
Speaker 1: extent of the battle damage assessment because the targets were
Speaker 1: buried underground. But I would think that the response of
Speaker 1: Iran to engage in this ceasefire and also I guess
Speaker 1: to make the US aware of when they were going
Speaker 1: to fire a few missiles and at what time they
Speaker 1: were going to fire a few missiles and no one
Speaker 1: was injured in that I think sort of symbolic a
Speaker 1: large of fourteen smaller missiles. I think that that response
Speaker 1: might be a pretty good indication of how much damage
Speaker 1: was done down below or am I misreading is now?
Speaker 2: I think you're probably accurate. My assessment was that Iran
Speaker 2: wouldn't been but they would break, you know, they would
Speaker 2: just fly it into the ground until they had to submit.
Speaker 2: But I was certainly wrong about that, and I think
Speaker 2: it's You're probably accurate that the true impact of what
Speaker 2: we have done over the last forty eight hours has
Speaker 2: really caused them to come to the table, and their
Speaker 2: response in Qatar was tepid at best. And yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: a lot of people are reading into that, certainly weakness
Speaker 2: but conciliation that they are really a defeated power and
Speaker 2: they want to get the best deal they can now.
Speaker 1: Would you agree? And just my last question is that
Speaker 1: Israel's success in decapitating Hesba Llah a few months ago
Speaker 1: going after Hamas in the Wig of October seventh, as
Speaker 1: well as the departure of the Aside family from Syria,
Speaker 1: and the fact that I think the Hoodies have been
Speaker 1: put under control, that that Iran was kind of the
Speaker 1: last last team standing. All of its proxies were off
Speaker 1: the field and they were kind of naked to the
Speaker 1: world here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I totally agree. Iran, I mean, Israel in
Speaker 2: military terms, set the conditions well ahead of time, as
Speaker 2: they normally do years I had in advance in some cases, uh,
Speaker 2: and so that all the Iranian cards that surrogates were
Speaker 2: taken off the table. My only caution, Dan would be
Speaker 2: Iran has a lot of sleeper cells in the United States,
Speaker 2: and even if Iran folds, there may be some sleeper
Speaker 2: cells that you know, make their last gasp, or some
Speaker 2: people some lone wolf actions. And we're also seeing a
Speaker 2: lot of protests college campuses and things that around the
Speaker 2: United States. So domestic threat is still you know, a
Speaker 2: little alarming, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Well, it was funny, I explained to a friend of
Speaker 1: mine on Saturday night who was very concerned that perhaps
Speaker 1: this was a precursor to sort of an Archduke Ferdinand
Speaker 1: type of repeat of history from about a one hundred
Speaker 1: and eleven years ago, the start of War One. And
Speaker 1: I said, look, this prevented, This makes the world safer
Speaker 1: from an outlaw nation possessing nuclear weaponry. This was this
Speaker 1: was a conventional strike that I think has taken a
Speaker 1: potential nuclear country off the playing field. And I view,
Speaker 1: I don't see I would think college campuses would be
Speaker 1: up in arms congratulating the US military and President Trump
Speaker 1: for what may apparently is going to be accomplished. I
Speaker 1: hope it is. Obviously I don't want to you know,
Speaker 1: start to you know, celebrate too quickly here, but it
Speaker 1: certainly things in the last forty typical. You expect people
Speaker 1: to come out with the flags. I see the Iranian flags,
Speaker 1: and those are just people who hate this country, and
Speaker 1: they would, they would, they would, they would protest against
Speaker 1: the Trump administration finding a cure for cancer. That's no
Speaker 1: question about that. Okay, Let's talk more importantly for the
Speaker 1: moment about the National Center for Healthy Veterans. We've done
Speaker 1: a lot on this program about returning veterans and the
Speaker 1: issues that they faced, particularly those who were actually in
Speaker 1: the line of fire during in warfare with live fire
Speaker 1: going on around them. Tell Us, tell us about the group,
Speaker 1: the National Center for Healthy Veterans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Dan, I'd say we're a unique national prototype. We're
Speaker 2: a nine month residential program. Most programs are much shorter,
Speaker 2: but we fight recidivism and we bring at risk veterans,
Speaker 2: Veterans that are suicidal, Veterans that perhaps have been in
Speaker 2: jail under bridges, veterans that are stuck in their parents'
Speaker 2: basement playing video games, veterans that have had three jobs
Speaker 2: in the last year that can't adjust. All these veterans
Speaker 2: have tremendous potential, and so we help them do a
Speaker 2: life free set over that time period. We're at healthy
Speaker 2: veterans dot Org if people want to learn more. One
Speaker 2: of the things I'd ask all your viewers, we need
Speaker 2: to find the people. Most of the people we help
Speaker 2: don't want to be found. We need to find people
Speaker 2: that are at risk, refer them to us. There's just
Speaker 2: a button on the website that does that, and let's
Speaker 2: get these people help. We have people from over twelve
Speaker 2: different states and so we're a national organization that fills
Speaker 2: a unique gap in our service for veterans overall. So yeah,
Speaker 2: appreciate the shout out. We have a large what we
Speaker 2: call a healing platform. But we have twenty five horses,
Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty nine acres, two hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: five chickens that give us eighty dozen eggs a week.
Speaker 2: So that's a lot of dignified work. And we live
Speaker 2: in community to defeed isolation, one of the primary causes
Speaker 2: of veterans suicide. We have trauma recovery, life skills program as,
Speaker 2: professional counseling, coaching, equine therapy. So it's a really powerful,
Speaker 2: unique platform and people are We have one spin off
Speaker 2: in Kentucky.
Speaker 1: In fact, well, as a matter of fact, I'm noticing
Speaker 1: here that you're an Alta Vista, Virginia at the at
Speaker 1: Valor Farm, which is appropriately named. And you know you're
Speaker 1: doing you're doing great work here and again the website
Speaker 1: couldn't be simpler. Healthy Veterans dot Org. I'm very much
Speaker 1: involved with a couple of veterans groups, one of which
Speaker 1: is Hope for the Veterans, Hope for the Warriors. I
Speaker 1: should say, oh good that a friend of mine got
Speaker 1: me involved in many many years ago, and we forget
Speaker 1: what these men and women sacrifice when they volunteer to
Speaker 1: serve in defense of this nation.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you saw your help veterans every way you can,
Speaker 2: and I just ask all your listeners to do the same.
Speaker 1: Well, Major General, I appreciate it very much. Hoped that
Speaker 1: our optimism is well founded. Irrespective of political parties or
Speaker 1: philosophical viewpoints. We want to keep our people safe. Extraordinary
Speaker 1: work by the military, the US Air Force on Saturday night,
Speaker 1: that is for sure. That's an incredible story. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Major General. Appreciate it very much. I hope to have
Speaker 1: you back. Let's get an update on this sum How
Speaker 1: you doing a few months from now?
Speaker 2: Okay, sounds good. Dan, good to be with you.
Speaker 1: Take care back at you, Major General retired Robert d'es.
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Speaker 1: Well, summer has arrived in full force here in New England.
Speaker 1: There's no question the spring is over. We'll spring never happen, really,
Speaker 1: but summer's here. It's packing a punch all across the
Speaker 1: United States, about one hundred and ninety people under this
Speaker 1: summer heat wave. So June twenty third with US is
Speaker 1: Casey Kimminedding, USA Today's exec editorial director of Shopping. That's
Speaker 1: a pretty neat job. How are you, Casey's Kim and Eddy.
Speaker 1: Nice to meet you.
Speaker 4: Hi, nice to meet you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 5: Yes, it is gig.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's that's one that I've met a lot
Speaker 1: of people, but particularly women. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: sexist here, would like and you got all sorts of
Speaker 1: tips here on shopping deals and product recommendations. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure a lot of my listeners had their pens and
Speaker 1: pencils poised. What do you got going on?
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. So summer shopping is already picking up
Speaker 4: like crazy. People are really shopping early, earlier and earlier.
Speaker 4: I feel like for every season, holiday, you know, all
Speaker 4: the events. So yeah, summer shopping. People are really excited
Speaker 4: about back to school with maybe they I know.
Speaker 1: Back to school. My parents ever were shopping from back
Speaker 1: to school on June twenty third. I think I would
Speaker 1: have run away from home. Go ahead, I'm sorry, go.
Speaker 4: Ahead, right, No, I yeah, I agree, But yeah, the
Speaker 4: people they know what they want. Definitely a lot of
Speaker 4: like big ticket back to school items, so laptops, tablets,
Speaker 4: even like earbuds and stuff like that, things that you
Speaker 4: need for when you're you know, in high school college,
Speaker 4: And a lot of retailers are hosting huge sales already
Speaker 4: so you can get a good deal.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that they're not buying tablets and things like
Speaker 1: that for kids who are in elementary school, because that's
Speaker 1: just a little personal point of personal prerogative that I
Speaker 1: think kids should worry about reading, writing, and arithmetic until
Speaker 1: at least the fifth or sixth grade. But go ahead,
Speaker 1: So we've we've depressed any sixth graders who are listening
Speaker 1: to my show at this yes that they alway's going
Speaker 1: to get mad at what what are the hot summer
Speaker 1: items here? Barbecue, yeah, grills, whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So basically right now, we have Amazon Prime Day coming
Speaker 4: up in July and it's kind of a kickoff this summer.
Speaker 4: So it's happening July eighth to the eleventh.
Speaker 1: They're kicking it off on my birthday. Yeah right, Okay,
Speaker 1: well that's good.
Speaker 4: We'll make that.
Speaker 1: I'm going to turn twenty I'm going to turn twenty
Speaker 1: nine years old on July.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, looks great.
Speaker 1: And if you if you believe, if you believe that,
Speaker 1: I have a bridge in Brooklyn, so you go ahead,
Speaker 1: Casey have only teasing.
Speaker 4: No, So we've we've seen a lot of early deals already.
Speaker 4: And like I said, definitely, electronics are great, you know,
Speaker 4: people are loving them. But the grills, the outdoor summer
Speaker 4: products like portable chargers, speakers for your barbecue. Something that's
Speaker 4: been popular is a digital meat.
Speaker 3: Thermometer okay, okay.
Speaker 4: For your barbecue, and you know, super affordable makes grilling
Speaker 4: a lot easier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I growed, I grilled, I grilled some steak,
Speaker 1: tips last night. They were great, but at that point
Speaker 1: I could have. But I'm doing it all by the look,
Speaker 1: you know you kind of Yeah, a little little meet
Speaker 1: thermometer probably could come in handy, that is for sure.
Speaker 1: Now does this mean? And again, you really blew me
Speaker 1: away when you said people doing back to school normally.
Speaker 1: I think back to school mid August. There'll be a
Speaker 1: second wave of back to school for them. I don't
Speaker 1: want any parents who are listening tonight, I think they've
Speaker 1: missed out here.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean, yeah, I remember back to school
Speaker 4: shopping was right before school started end of August. You know,
Speaker 4: we were at Staples or wherever picking out markers and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do push it. By the way, you made
Speaker 1: a comment earlier, and it seems to me that the
Speaker 1: Halloween decorations show up sometime around Labor Day, and Christmas
Speaker 1: decorations now appear before Halloween. And it just seems to
Speaker 1: me that we are always in a rush to get
Speaker 1: it done as opposed to enjoy it when it happens.
Speaker 1: And I think that's a tough trend. Although again, push
Speaker 1: is always going to be, you know, get him in
Speaker 1: the tent and get him buy it. What's the single
Speaker 1: best superby that you could recommend across the board. What
Speaker 1: have you seen right now? Is that is that's almost
Speaker 1: investment quality? Great? If you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, first I will say I agree. I mean
Speaker 4: the you know, the sales and deals and shopping, it
Speaker 4: starts earlier and earlier. But I will say, there's such
Speaker 4: it's such a relief. Like personally, if I get my
Speaker 4: holiday shopping done a month ahead of time, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: I can relax and breathe. They don't have to be stressed.
Speaker 4: So there definitely is like there's a benefit to get
Speaker 4: in the head.
Speaker 1: Now I guess you were going on a Christmas card
Speaker 1: list already or no project in a little shoe box
Speaker 1: ready to go. They got him done by about August. First,
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, ok I really enjoyed. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: We'll have you back. You were fun to talk with.
Speaker 1: USA Today's editorial director of Shopping, Casey Kim, and Eddie
Speaker 1: the woman with the job.
Speaker 3: Everyone goold love to have.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Casey, have a great night. Take
Speaker 1: it easy. Rob. What are we doing here? Did we
Speaker 1: did we miss an ABC News special? We don't? Okay,
Speaker 1: then that's fine. We have our own newscast coming up,
Speaker 1: and on the other side of the newscast, we're talking
Speaker 1: about quiet cracking. We're not talking about like taking eggs
Speaker 1: and really gently cracking them. No, we're talking about what
Speaker 1: is behind this new workplace threat. People are quiet cracking.
Speaker 1: We'll be back and we'll be very honest about it.
Speaker 1: Coming back on Night.
Speaker 3: Side with Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: I'm Boston's news radio.
Speaker 1: All Right, everything has a word. Everything, every action or
Speaker 1: reaction can be characterized. Here's one I've never heard of before,
Speaker 1: quiet cracking. What's behind this new work paid workplace threat. Well, Heather,
Speaker 1: while she's a workplace expert, communications marketing professional who oversees
Speaker 1: leadership lab that's for leadership training. What the heck is
Speaker 1: quiet cracking? I think I know, but I want to
Speaker 1: make sure I'm not making an assumption. Welcome to Nightside, Heather.
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Quiet cracking, Yes, it's another term. Right, it's another thing
Speaker 5: that we've got to figure out. But let me just
Speaker 5: kind of unpack this for you really quickly. Quiet cracking.
Speaker 5: It's those employees that used to be engaged. They still
Speaker 5: like their job, though, however, they feel invisible, they feel unheard,
Speaker 5: and they feel stuck where they are, So that that
Speaker 5: is what quiet cracking is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, I think a lot of that
Speaker 1: has to do with all the venture capital companies that
Speaker 1: are buying up companies and uh, you know, the the
Speaker 1: the formula of the of long ago where a company
Speaker 1: existed and you knew the people who owned the company
Speaker 1: and you work for them and all that. Now the
Speaker 1: company has been bought by owner company. Is that a
Speaker 1: Is that a theory that's totally off the wall as
Speaker 1: far as you're concerned.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's off the wall that I'm going
Speaker 5: to delve a little bit deeper and say this much.
Speaker 5: I think the bigger issue is and what I'm seeing
Speaker 5: from some of these companies that have been bold up
Speaker 5: by private equity venture capitalist that kind of thing. What
Speaker 5: happens is is there becomes a huge communication breakdown, like
Speaker 5: the style the culture that a company once you know,
Speaker 5: operated in shifts dramatically because people don't know what the
Speaker 5: heck is going on. They don't understand the new culture.
Speaker 5: And frankly, you know, private equity venture capital are working
Speaker 5: so fast to try to figure out what culture is
Speaker 5: that people feel lost, and that's where quiet cracking really
Speaker 5: kind of comes into place as well too. People don't
Speaker 5: feel heard, they don't feel seen or understood. And frankly,
Speaker 5: leadership isn't communicating. There's not there's not a two way
Speaker 5: communication module, so to speak. They're just directing and making
Speaker 5: commands versus asking people how, you know, how can they
Speaker 5: really solve this problem together as a team. It's more,
Speaker 5: you know, the top down leadership versus the bottom up style.
Speaker 1: That's that's so true. It's it's just, you know, do
Speaker 1: it the way they want you to do it, and
Speaker 1: even though you might know it's not the most efficient
Speaker 1: way or it's not even the best way. If you jump,
Speaker 1: if you jump up and you raise your hand and
Speaker 1: you say, hey, can I make a suggestion, immediately you
Speaker 1: can be characterized as a troublemaker. The other group who
Speaker 1: I think, really we need to focus on the professional
Speaker 1: being counters, the people that are making cuts. No, I'm serious,
Speaker 1: I'm very serious.
Speaker 5: I laugh because I work with a lot of them.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean they had no idea what the
Speaker 1: company does. They have no idea what it's necessary for
Speaker 1: that company to really support and grow. All they're looking
Speaker 1: for is the bottom line. And if they can cut.
Speaker 1: If they're told we can cut twenty two point four
Speaker 1: percent of the personnel, then that's a great idea. Let's
Speaker 1: just go through and cut twenty two point four percent,
Speaker 1: not go in and find out the people who are
Speaker 1: not pulling. Just twenty line them up. Yes, we'll do
Speaker 1: it alphabetically, every fifth person. I just where have I mean,
Speaker 1: this past get out of It's kind of out of control.
Speaker 1: And what it does is it actually as opposed to
Speaker 1: encouraging people, discourages people. I tell all my friends in management,
Speaker 1: I tell most employees would prefer to get a pat
Speaker 1: on the back occasionally, maybe a positive comment, a job
Speaker 1: well done, and at a boy or at a girl,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, as opposed to getting
Speaker 1: a two point one percent pay raise. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: sure good employees there to help the company and do
Speaker 1: their job there because they like their job, and they
Speaker 1: might have been able to make more money at another
Speaker 1: job that they wouldn't particularly like. But now the job
Speaker 1: they like is getting turned into a job they don't like.
Speaker 1: It is a go ahead.
Speaker 5: It is and yes, and and and the way that
Speaker 5: you and You're so right. It's not It's not always
Speaker 5: about the paycheck. It's do I feel connected to this company?
Speaker 5: Do I feel connected to these people that work within
Speaker 5: these walls as well too? And so what I tell
Speaker 5: my leaders that I work with, I let me tell
Speaker 5: you I work I work with some very very large organizations,
Speaker 5: and what I tell them is this, You've got to
Speaker 5: number one, recognize communication styles of the people on your team.
Speaker 5: Not everyone opens up the same way. You know, some
Speaker 5: people are very direct and they just want that direct
Speaker 5: prompt whereas some people only share when trust is being
Speaker 5: built has been built, right, And then you talked about
Speaker 5: the feedback, you know, they just want to add a boy.
Speaker 5: But I'll go even further and say, people want feedback
Speaker 5: that really matters at a boy because you did X,
Speaker 5: Y Z and it meant this much to the bottom line,
Speaker 5: like be specific with the ATA boys. I mean that
Speaker 5: people from really meaningful feedback. And then you know, also
Speaker 5: what I say, you know, co create those career paths
Speaker 5: with the people on your teams as well too. Instead
Speaker 5: of guessing what they want, you got to ask. You
Speaker 5: got to have the conversations. And I feel like post pandemic,
Speaker 5: you know, we're doing a lot of checking of the
Speaker 5: boxes about you know, have we done this training, have
Speaker 5: we done this thing that HR wants us to do.
Speaker 5: Are you having the conversations, are you making meaning in
Speaker 5: those conversations, are you asking open ended questions? How are
Speaker 5: you engaging the people on your on your teams? And
Speaker 5: that's what people can do to really try to help
Speaker 5: with this quiet cracking so to speak.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I had an interesting experience last night. I
Speaker 1: ran into a problem with my car, pulled into a
Speaker 1: gas station late ten thirty at night, figuring that there's
Speaker 1: going to be nobody there to help me, and I
Speaker 1: found this young guy who helped me as a mobile
Speaker 1: gas station. Okay uh, and make a long story short,
Speaker 1: he was unbelievably helpful, and I asked him what he's
Speaker 1: looking to do, and he told me that he wants
Speaker 1: to become a commercial airline Pilot's a pretty smart guy.
Speaker 1: And he told me that he applied for a job
Speaker 1: as a flight attendant and that because he had some
Speaker 1: sort of I don't know, a little mark on one
Speaker 1: of his the side of his face, that he was
Speaker 1: turned down for that job. And I just thought to myself,
Speaker 1: here's a guy that went out of his way. I
Speaker 1: mean to help me open up the hood. Let's check this,
Speaker 1: let's check out, solve the problem for me. And some
Speaker 1: knucklehead at some airline or some employment looking and by
Speaker 1: the way, the kid's a hitsive looking kid, but he
Speaker 1: had some sort of I don't know it was a
Speaker 1: birkemark or whatever, and they said, well, if you removed
Speaker 1: the mark, then we could consider you. And I thought, what,
Speaker 1: oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: It's not your people, that's not that's not somebody that
Speaker 5: you'd want to work for. Anyway, they just filled you
Speaker 5: in quicker than what you.
Speaker 1: Thought, right, I guess, so save yourself some aggravation. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I just think that American business,
Speaker 1: UH is just heading down so many wrong paths that
Speaker 1: I see, and I fear from my kids and I
Speaker 1: fear from my grandchildren at this point that that we're
Speaker 1: going to just take this country and this economic system
Speaker 1: that we have, which is the greatest economic system in
Speaker 1: the world, which provides rewards for incentive and good work,
Speaker 1: and we we're devaluing good work and we're basically allowing
Speaker 1: being counters. I'll say it again being counters to run
Speaker 1: the run the economy, which is a huge problem. So
Speaker 1: please continue to do what you do, Heather, and if
Speaker 1: you ever need anybody to talk to anyone, I'm just off.
Speaker 1: I just I feel this. I feel very strongly about this.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: I really Yeah, you could.
Speaker 5: Probably tell it's a huge issue.
Speaker 1: I interview people twenty hours a week on the radio,
Speaker 1: and you can tell how many people really want to
Speaker 1: succeed and want their company to succeed, and you realize
Speaker 1: that a lot of them are not valued.
Speaker 5: And I know, I know, I know, and it just gosh,
Speaker 5: it just it breaks your heart, especially when you know
Speaker 5: it's like there are things that people can do to
Speaker 5: help these conversations and help what's going on. They just
Speaker 5: I mean, at the end of the day, some of
Speaker 5: these managers and senior leaders that I work with, things
Speaker 5: have to get painful enough. Whereas it's affecting productivity, it's
Speaker 5: affecting the bottom line where they actually reach out and go, Okay,
Speaker 5: what the heck is going on and what am I
Speaker 5: going to have to do? Differently with one client.
Speaker 1: It's like that, how can companies get in touch with
Speaker 1: you to help, yeah, help themselves? Is you got a website,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, Oh I do.
Speaker 5: And it's Heather Lyle l I s l E. So
Speaker 5: the s a silo Heatherlyile dot com. Or I am
Speaker 5: super active on LinkedIn as well to you and you
Speaker 5: can find me at Heather Lyle co on LinkedIn and
Speaker 5: post tons of content about this very topic. How to
Speaker 5: be how to have those purposeful conversations, what it needs
Speaker 5: to look like in the workplace so they can time
Speaker 5: me there.
Speaker 1: Keep doing what you're doing, because you sound like that
Speaker 1: you have your your act together, and maybe you can
Speaker 1: help some of the companies around the country get their
Speaker 1: act together.
Speaker 5: I love what I do. I love what I do.
Speaker 1: I can tell it. I can tell in your voice.
Speaker 1: I can tell in your voice. Heather, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: communication for having professional Heather Lyle l I s l
Speaker 1: E dot com. Thanks Heather, we'll talk again. Thank you much.
Speaker 1: Have a great night when we get back. When we
Speaker 1: talk about scary headlines, we had some scary headlines over
Speaker 1: the weekend, and a lot I'm sure that impacted a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Can scary headlines make us sick? Sick?
Speaker 1: Sick sick? How to minimize the health impact of negative
Speaker 1: news cycle. We have a lot of negative news cycles.
Speaker 1: Doctor Judith Orloff, best selling author of The Genius of Empathy,
Speaker 1: a leading psychiatrist in the field of empathy, coming up
Speaker 1: right after the break here on Nightside. You're on Nightside
Speaker 1: with Dan Ray on YOUBZ, Boston's news radio. All right,
Speaker 1: scary headlines? Can they make us sick? I think probably?
Speaker 1: The question provides the answer with us is doctor Judith Orloff.
Speaker 1: She's the best selling author of The Genius of Empathy,
Speaker 1: a leading psychiatrist in the field of empathy. Empathy. We
Speaker 1: all could use a little more empathy, that's for sure,
Speaker 1: Doctor Orloff. Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 3: Thank you, It's nice to talk to you.
Speaker 1: Nice to talk with you. So the headline is, can
Speaker 1: scary headlines make us sick? We had some scary headlines
Speaker 1: the last couple of days. Looks like it might be
Speaker 1: working out okay. But I'll bet you there are a
Speaker 1: lot of people who who lost some sleep in the
Speaker 1: last twenty four to forty eight hours.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure there are. There are so many people
Speaker 3: who I've heard of who are feeling anxious or are depressed.
Speaker 3: They have their stress hormones sowing in their body. The
Speaker 3: adrenaline is soaring, which makes you very anxious, and so
Speaker 3: it's just the anxiety and the nervous system of the
Speaker 3: body is just being fed with too much adrenaline. And
Speaker 3: so people are feeling anxious and wanting to have empathy
Speaker 3: and wanting to care about all the people who are
Speaker 3: in harm's way, but really caring too much. And so
Speaker 3: it's important to learn how to set boundaries with your
Speaker 3: empathies so you just don't become exhausted yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, I've worked as a TV reporter for a long
Speaker 1: time in the seventies, eighties, nineties, and well into the
Speaker 1: two thousands, and I blame television news, particularly local television news.
Speaker 1: Every is breaking news, breaking news. There's breaking news. There's
Speaker 1: a car crash somewhere. It affects people who are in
Speaker 1: the car, but it doesn't affect anyone else. There's breaking news.
Speaker 1: There's a two alarm fire. Sad for the people whose
Speaker 1: houses on fire. But I don't really consider And of
Speaker 1: course it's television news consultants who have told the TV
Speaker 1: news directors just keep throwing that breaking news people. It's
Speaker 1: almost like, I don't know, it's almost like Pavlov's dog
Speaker 1: or the mice that they run. They give them a
Speaker 1: little sweetener and they like it and they want more
Speaker 1: and more. Next thing, the mouse weighs eleven pounds. I mean, right,
Speaker 1: what do you buy that? Or do you just because
Speaker 1: people get locked on their teev Oh my god, there's
Speaker 1: civil war here. Oh my god, there is this going
Speaker 1: there's an earthquake. Whoa yeah.
Speaker 3: I think as a psychiatrist, what I see is that
Speaker 3: people are being made ill by the news because they're
Speaker 3: transfixed by the drama of it and the danger of it.
Speaker 3: And you know, seeing fellow humans getting hurt is very
Speaker 3: hard to watch for carrying people, and so those with
Speaker 3: empathy often get hurt the most. And so it's very
Speaker 3: important that you limit your news input and have some
Speaker 3: time for life and other things so you could balance
Speaker 3: what's going on the world. It's important to be informed
Speaker 3: as to what's happening, but there's a limit to how
Speaker 3: much I would advise my patience to watch the news.
Speaker 3: And it's important to be able to have enjoyment in
Speaker 3: life that isn't destroyed by the drama and the horrors
Speaker 3: of the news.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think about last last year,
Speaker 1: earlier this year, the earlier this year actually January the fires,
Speaker 1: the horrific fires outside of Los Angeles, and oh yes,
Speaker 1: everybody looked at that, but unless you lived in that
Speaker 1: portion of California, it wasn't going to affect you. But
Speaker 1: at the same time it was it was heartbreaking. And
Speaker 1: do we become almost addicted to bad news? Does it
Speaker 1: make us feel psychologically going to ask you a psychological question,
Speaker 1: does it make us feel better to realize maybe we're
Speaker 1: we're luckier than the poor people who have lost all
Speaker 1: their homes outside of Los Angeles. Is there that element
Speaker 1: of it, the fact that we weren't on that plane
Speaker 1: that crashed the other day in India.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think there is that element of it, and
Speaker 3: that it makes you more grateful for your own life
Speaker 3: and your own health and your own safety. I live
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles, so I went through the fires, and
Speaker 3: I lived fairly close to the fires, so it was
Speaker 3: extremely devastating what was happening in here. But you know, again,
Speaker 3: for those who are elsewhere, you know, I really implore
Speaker 3: you to take care of yourself and not get absorbed
Speaker 3: in the trauma or the pain that's going on in
Speaker 3: various parts of the world now because there's so much
Speaker 3: of it and the human body can't hold up with
Speaker 3: that if you keep looking at it. So it's important
Speaker 3: to look at beautiful things too. It's important to look
Speaker 3: up at the sky and the stars. It's important to
Speaker 3: take a walk. It's important, you know, to do something
Speaker 3: positive for your own self care, you know, in the
Speaker 3: midst of everything that's happening.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing too, that people could do. It
Speaker 1: seems to me, and I'm not a psychiatrist, but people
Speaker 1: will sit transfixed looking at for example, what's going on,
Speaker 1: what was going on in Los Angeles and you know,
Speaker 1: and well, you know, send a check for fifty dollars
Speaker 1: to the Salvation Army or the United Way or some
Speaker 1: group that's trying to help these poor people. Well, Betty, yet,
Speaker 1: go take take a walk down the street. Maybe there's
Speaker 1: a neighbor that all their children have left and they're lonely, Gwynn,
Speaker 1: and you offer to go have a cup of coffee
Speaker 1: with them or something. Do something that helps someone else,
Speaker 1: spend a little bit of time away from the TV
Speaker 1: set and do something that will make you feel better
Speaker 1: about yourself.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. You know, it's been proven that when you do
Speaker 3: good to others, that your biochemistry gets soothed, and that
Speaker 3: your endorsements the natural painkillers start slowly, and that your
Speaker 3: empathy feeds you rather than drains you. So paying it
Speaker 3: forward is a way to feel good about yourself and
Speaker 3: to respond to the news, to be able to do
Speaker 3: something positive.
Speaker 1: As you said, Yeah, absolutely well, doctor Oloff, very nice
Speaker 1: to talk with you. Your book is called The Genius
Speaker 1: of Empathy that I assume is still available.
Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, it's available on Amazon, it's available and all bookstores.
Speaker 3: And so it's about learning how to express empathy, but
Speaker 3: again set boundaries and take care of yourself too well.
Speaker 1: Very parallel virtues, let's put it like that, Doctor Judith
Speaker 1: or author, best selling author of The Genius of Empathy.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for joining us tonight and spreading
Speaker 1: the word that people need to take some time for
Speaker 1: themselves and get away from the TV sets. Thanks so much, doctor,
Speaker 1: appreciate it very much.
Speaker 3: They're very welcome.
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