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<v Speaker 1>Trooper League three sixty after the hooter instant reaction to

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<v Speaker 1>Hulkingston Rovers fifty Castleford Tiger six in round ten of

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<v Speaker 1>Super League. You're with Lee Addison and John Davidson, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am Lee Addison and I am John Davidson, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're not the Scottish one from the bafters. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to check the try scorers, et cetera at the minute,

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<v Speaker 1>but what I will say is ok, are and now

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<v Speaker 1>up to third and Castleford stay in twelve. As a

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<v Speaker 1>result of that game, you're in your first thoughts, John. Look,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a poor game. I don't think we can

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<v Speaker 1>hide away from that cast gifted whole k. I think

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<v Speaker 1>three to Rives in the first half.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, in saying that, I think I did some some

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<v Speaker 2>good things and I did score actually some some nice tries,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a pretty It was a very poor

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<v Speaker 2>performance from Castleford. I know down a lot of injuries,

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<v Speaker 2>but the amount of basic stuff they got was alarming,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think it's great. You know a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people were twitting at me about how it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a good look for this game to be on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that kind of shows how how pretty poor

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<v Speaker 1>it was. It's funny you mentioned that. John, I I

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<v Speaker 1>think you will probably have to do most of the

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<v Speaker 1>talking because if I start talking about some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things we're seeing, then will be accused of being negative

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<v Speaker 1>or I will. But I'm not somebody bullshit my listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>our listeners, my followers, our followers. So yeah, so please

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<v Speaker 1>please do what you can to talk the game up, John,

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<v Speaker 1>Because the tries were scored, two of them from Lawton

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<v Speaker 1>to start with, it was the Lawton show at the start.

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<v Speaker 1>Amon Davis scored three, Hardley scored, Lewis scored and Burgess

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<v Speaker 1>scored a try. Martin kick one two three fourth have

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<v Speaker 1>six seven goals for Castle for Tigers, my Papa Langis

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<v Speaker 1>scored in the last minute and myself and John had

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<v Speaker 1>to second guess whether Arsi kicked the goal because we

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be acid watching it. Quite frankly, where do we

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<v Speaker 1>go with this? John? Look? I think I think the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing to say is, I don't think, okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>was sensational. I thought executing the timing, the decision making,

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<v Speaker 1>the lines have run, the recognition, so much work to

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<v Speaker 1>do there. I think they overcooked some of the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of completion aspects. I think if they were let off

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<v Speaker 1>the leash attacking wise, it could have been even bigger.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a scary thing. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think I think probably what was

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<v Speaker 2>it was at thirty four nil, thirty eight nil at

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<v Speaker 2>half time, I think hit seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>He included.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think CAS did put up a bit more

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<v Speaker 2>of a fight defensively in the second half, but also

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<v Speaker 2>made a few errors. The start of the game was

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<v Speaker 2>the start of the game was so bad because there

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<v Speaker 2>was a cast era and then there was a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>bad forward pass from whole car and then Gary Gary

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<v Speaker 2>played the ball and there was no one at marker

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<v Speaker 2>and okay, I got the ball back.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the two lawn tries.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the first one it's just a simple show

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<v Speaker 2>and go, and then the second one there was only

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<v Speaker 2>one marker and he was just allowed to advance from.

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<v Speaker 1>Just basically fell over the line.

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<v Speaker 3>It was. There was some really basic stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know there was one CAST fan who was like,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you expect We've got thirteen players out, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't expecting Cast to win, but I was expected

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to catch the ball and hold the

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<v Speaker 2>ball and contact and you know, actually make some contact

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<v Speaker 2>and defense and tackle.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You could see Ryan Carr in the in the coach's box,

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<v Speaker 2>his you know, reaction to what was going on. You

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<v Speaker 2>could see he was filthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Aging in front of our eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>He is he's I think he's probably losing hair by

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<v Speaker 2>the by the by the game.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a young coach when he arrived in England.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was just, yeah, it was not a It

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<v Speaker 2>was not a good game. And I think I did

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<v Speaker 2>feel for Plt, not just because I know his father

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<v Speaker 2>and I've actually played touch footage with him. What's Who's PLT?

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<v Speaker 3>Phoenix?

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<v Speaker 2>I can't really pronounce you, said Lala Tonga guy who

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<v Speaker 2>just signed. I broke the story that he he'd left

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<v Speaker 2>Catalans and signed for Casts, which was confirmed earlier week,

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<v Speaker 2>and he made his cast debut tonight. You know, it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have probably only had maybe one two training sessions

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<v Speaker 2>with his new teammates that it was a very tough

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<v Speaker 2>night for him, made a few errors, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>set up that nice try with the grubber at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously it'll be a learning experience for him. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just from the whole cast for point of view, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they were dreadful last week and then just dreadful again.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, you know, you look at their and

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just the halves, but you look at their

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<v Speaker 2>halves and their attack, they just don't really offer anything,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be you know, breaking down an offense, kicking game.

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of those players in that cast

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<v Speaker 2>squad are just probably not up to scratch for this level.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think personally, Lee, I think you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned this last week. We probably mentioned that the week before.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think with every one sided victory or

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<v Speaker 2>predictable victory or whipping, we're just seeing another point of why.

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<v Speaker 3>There shouldn't be fought in teams.

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<v Speaker 2>If anything, you know, there's there's really enough quality for

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<v Speaker 2>ten teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me give you some statistics, John, Yeah. Sure, And

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<v Speaker 1>we didn't just mention it last week or the week before.

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<v Speaker 1>We've mentioned this since episode one in the month of April,

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<v Speaker 1>which is still April where you are. It's May now

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<v Speaker 1>here in Australia where I am, fourteen of twenty two

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<v Speaker 1>fixtures the winner has scored double or more than double

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<v Speaker 1>than their opponents. Seven of those were newly sorry, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>seven of those were newly promoted sides nearly one third.

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<v Speaker 1>Nine of the twenty two over a thirty four point margin.

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<v Speaker 1>So nine of the twenty two fixtures were over a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty four point margin, so well over one third of

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<v Speaker 1>the fixtures in April. Half of those were newly promoted sides.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's just April. The key thing is, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the key thing when analyzing these statistics, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>hell of a lot worse than March was, which means

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<v Speaker 1>these teams were competitive in March. Now they're finding really things,

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<v Speaker 1>really tough. It's a legacy of a few things. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a legacy of the fact that, like you said, there's

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<v Speaker 1>an extra teams in the Super League. Imagine the three

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<v Speaker 1>worst teams in the Super League now were merged into

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<v Speaker 1>the into the into the two above them, they'd be

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<v Speaker 1>stronger sides. It's also a legacy of the roock speeds,

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<v Speaker 1>so that was a big change that's been brought in.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know necessarily how how how much notice the

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<v Speaker 1>coach has got about those roough speeds and therefore preparing

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<v Speaker 1>for them in pre season, and also of course the

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<v Speaker 1>six again rule as well. So everything is bearing out

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<v Speaker 1>as you and I said, I've said ad nauseum, John,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is why I was sort of hoping you'd

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<v Speaker 1>put some flowers into this podcast, because it's nobody wants

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<v Speaker 1>to see this, and I feel so sorry for the

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<v Speaker 1>Castleford fans.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I should feel sorry for the

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<v Speaker 1>coach because there's obviously a coaching element too to all this,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm still trying to work that out. But they've

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<v Speaker 1>been inconsistent in performance. Is their errors coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>their own end today? My god? Their attack when they

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<v Speaker 1>did have some was putrid. Their defensive decision making was

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<v Speaker 1>proved putrid. Where did Cast go from here?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think just just on the coach.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he joined on October November, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think you know, probably a lot of the recruitment he's

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<v Speaker 2>had a saying or even christ Chester and I think

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<v Speaker 2>christ Chester joined maybe July last year. But Cast have

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<v Speaker 2>changed coaches. You know, they've had three coaches in the

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<v Speaker 2>last you know, in the last year or something. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they had Danny Maguire and then they got rid of

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<v Speaker 2>him to get Ryan Carver, before they had Craig Lingard,

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't there that long, and they had Danny Ward

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<v Speaker 2>for a bit they had Lee Bradford like I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the whole club needs you know, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>joint needs to be you know, rejuvenated, fixed up, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>adjective you want to use.

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<v Speaker 3>It needs a.

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<v Speaker 1>Whole maybe stabilized, you know, yeah, I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>It needs it needs investment.

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<v Speaker 2>They are they are the state by a bit, which

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<v Speaker 2>is long long overdue.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, I think they're academy. They don't.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't produce a huge amount of players casts, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's always an issue when you're not you're

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<v Speaker 2>relying on players from other clubs or overseas, and they've

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<v Speaker 2>got a large overseas contingent, and I think their recruitment

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<v Speaker 2>has been has been pretty poor for consistently and I know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Cass they're not big spenders in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>other clubs in the Cup. And it's also it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the most you know, to be frankly honest, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the most desirable club you know to go if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a If you're an Aussie player from the n r

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<v Speaker 2>L and you've got you know, wigging in for your leads,

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<v Speaker 2>in for your casting for you you know you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the club with the better facilities, the

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<v Speaker 2>you know, everything that's chattered to winning silverware. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's another component. But it's not necessarily all

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<v Speaker 2>about wages. So look, it isn't There is only a

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<v Speaker 2>long I think it's a long rebuild for for Cass.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think necessarily, you know, they've just invested in

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<v Speaker 2>Ryan Carl Like changing the coach now, I think would

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<v Speaker 2>be would be crazy if you need to change a

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<v Speaker 2>few of those players.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They are missing, you know, a lot of quality player

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<v Speaker 2>or a lot of you know players in their top

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<v Speaker 2>line squad. Third and also but I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of players they do have there are probably not up

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<v Speaker 2>to it either. So I think they do need to

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<v Speaker 2>clean out of their roster.

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<v Speaker 1>When was it, When was it announced that the rock

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<v Speaker 1>Speeds were going to be quicker?

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think I'm not sure exactly when, but

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<v Speaker 2>I know in terms of in terms of the ashes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that that was probably a real enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>that okay, we need to change here because the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>game is so far ahead of us. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>in the off season there was some meetings and you

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<v Speaker 2>know that was sort of brought out, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think there was.

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<v Speaker 3>There wasn't a lot of lead time.

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<v Speaker 2>There wasn't probably a lot of you know, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think referees did go into some clubs and do some sessions,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a well, you know, this is why some

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<v Speaker 1>of the weaker teams will be struggling. I tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what else teams have worked out for cast just run

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<v Speaker 1>at weaver of the scrum half. I reckon the lad

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<v Speaker 1>made a thousand tackles on the right side of that

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<v Speaker 1>many gifts from Castleford. They're just obviously so low on confidence,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a lot of it was basic stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>it was was really schoolboys stuff. Okay on the march

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<v Speaker 1>of a dip, sorry a significant dip. Saint Helen's I

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<v Speaker 1>and encourages players to play on instincts, so they're not

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<v Speaker 1>sides of the ball, if I'm honested quite frankly at

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<v Speaker 1>about before we go. John on forty four minutes Mikey

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis ended up falling onto a ball and it was

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<v Speaker 1>again off the back of another era from the cast

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<v Speaker 1>Ford back three. The review process and then the video

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<v Speaker 1>referee process far far far too long, far too long.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people have been signed out for a

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<v Speaker 2>long while. And yeah, I agree, hohheartedly.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to be recording Super League three sixty episode

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<v Speaker 1>twenty later this week because John's John's away for the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're looking forward to fixtures wise this weekend?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think Leeds Waki if I was in the country, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>definitely be Headingly on Friday because I think obviously Leeds

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<v Speaker 2>a riding high top of super League, great attack, but Wakefield,

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<v Speaker 2>six games, They've got a great record Headingly in recent years.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously not lead out of a coup earlier this season

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<v Speaker 2>first game last season at Headingly, So I think they've

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<v Speaker 2>be a real hell of a game. But also looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to just jumping ahead. You know you talked about

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<v Speaker 2>whole career and you talking about Warrington. The two Challenge

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<v Speaker 1>Is that the following Yeah, that's the following week, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I am. I am looking forward to those ones,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. Apart from that.

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<v Speaker 2>Will they will not be because there are only the

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<v Speaker 2>four games, and obviously the the two women's games. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I will give a quick plug to a story I

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<v Speaker 2>just put out before kickoff today. The latest news on

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<v Speaker 2>the NRL on Super League talks set to continue at

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<v Speaker 2>Magic Round in Brisbane in about two weeks. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>Lee will be you know, dotting around some corp and

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<v Speaker 2>the Capital, the Queensland Capital are looking for Nigel Wood

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<v Speaker 2>or Peter of Landi's or Andrew Abda.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that is that? What's happening? Is it is Nigel

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<v Speaker 1>Wood flying over? We have to read my story, Lee,

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<v Speaker 1>that's if you put it beyond a paywall.

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<v Speaker 2>I have got it be on to pay well because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a journalist and I deserve to be paid for

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<v Speaker 2>my work. How dare I provide for my family and mortgage?

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<v Speaker 2>But no, if you if you're interested in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can people find it? John?

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<v Speaker 2>They can find it on Patreon at Rugby League hub

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<v Speaker 2>dot com longreads. Yeah, it's a bit of bit of

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<v Speaker 2>news on what's going on, what's been happening behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>There's been quite a bit going on behind the scenes

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<v Speaker 2>and people reaching out to or from Australia to people

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK and dialogue going on. So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>an interesting time. I think I should be able to

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<v Speaker 2>reveal a bit more on that, maybe next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Or the week after with another story.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I think a pivotal time everything we've been

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<v Speaker 2>talking about and super lately. It was also an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>I think I sent you to video, Lee, but I

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<v Speaker 2>put it up on social media earlier interview with Chris

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<v Speaker 2>Sadlinsky and Carl Fitzpatrick with the Bench podcast The Sky

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<v Speaker 2>talking about a few things. But yeah, particularly I think

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<v Speaker 2>Radlinsky's comments about a lot of people in super Leg

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<v Speaker 2>are worried that super leg will become a feeder league

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<v Speaker 2>to the NRL when that already is Yeah, it probably

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<v Speaker 2>happened twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Lee, Let's be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the denial and delusion that a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people in the game in England is quite scary.

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<v Speaker 1>Might that sounds like a Monday discussion that one there

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<v Speaker 1>else will be here all night.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, just I'll just finish and say, like, if we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to change that dynamic or at least improved super League,

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<v Speaker 2>then we need investment and we need change and the

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<v Speaker 2>only one who's going to bring that investment is the NRL.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, you mean to say there's no foreign investment

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<v Speaker 1>hovering in the background like we were told.

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<v Speaker 2>Every everyone I've spoken to and you know, people quite

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<v Speaker 2>high up in the game. It seems there's no credibility

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<v Speaker 2>to any of that private investment, even if there were,

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<v Speaker 2>Even if there was credibility to it, lead like you

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<v Speaker 2>look at what private investments down in rugby union, like,

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<v Speaker 2>would that be a good move.

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<v Speaker 1>For Look look what a bit of investment in live

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<v Speaker 1>golf has done well exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that it's not really a surprise, is it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think probably you know a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>It's similar in boxing, isn't it. They're pulling out of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of what's happening in boxing.

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<v Speaker 1>So at least we know the NRL will care about

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<v Speaker 1>rugby league put it. Put it that way, so you

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<v Speaker 1>know that has to Rugby league has to win out

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<v Speaker 1>in that regard. So anyway, it sounds like a Monday

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<v Speaker 1>topic to me, buddy, have a good weekend. You're off

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<v Speaker 1>to Paris.

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<v Speaker 3>I am off to bed for an early flight from Manchester.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a goodnes and we'll see you Tuesday, Super League

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<v Speaker 1>three sixty.

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<v Speaker 3>We shall