Speaker 1: Trooper League three sixty after the hooter instant reaction to
Speaker 1: Hulkingston Rovers fifty Castleford Tiger six in round ten of
Speaker 1: Super League. You're with Lee Addison and John Davidson, and
Speaker 1: I am Lee Addison and I am John Davidson, and
Speaker 1: you're not the Scottish one from the bafters. I'm going
Speaker 1: to check the try scorers, et cetera at the minute,
Speaker 1: but what I will say is ok, are and now
Speaker 1: up to third and Castleford stay in twelve. As a
Speaker 1: result of that game, you're in your first thoughts, John. Look,
Speaker 1: it was a poor game. I don't think we can
Speaker 1: hide away from that cast gifted whole k. I think
Speaker 1: three to Rives in the first half.
Speaker 2: Now, in saying that, I think I did some some
Speaker 2: good things and I did score actually some some nice tries,
Speaker 2: but it was a pretty It was a very poor
Speaker 2: performance from Castleford. I know down a lot of injuries,
Speaker 2: but the amount of basic stuff they got was alarming,
Speaker 2: and I don't think it's great. You know a lot
Speaker 2: of people were twitting at me about how it's not
Speaker 2: a good look for this game to be on TV.
Speaker 1: I think that kind of shows how how pretty poor
Speaker 1: it was. It's funny you mentioned that. John, I I
Speaker 1: think you will probably have to do most of the
Speaker 1: talking because if I start talking about some of the
Speaker 1: things we're seeing, then will be accused of being negative
Speaker 1: or I will. But I'm not somebody bullshit my listeners,
Speaker 1: our listeners, my followers, our followers. So yeah, so please
Speaker 1: please do what you can to talk the game up, John,
Speaker 1: Because the tries were scored, two of them from Lawton
Speaker 1: to start with, it was the Lawton show at the start.
Speaker 1: Amon Davis scored three, Hardley scored, Lewis scored and Burgess
Speaker 1: scored a try. Martin kick one two three fourth have
Speaker 1: six seven goals for Castle for Tigers, my Papa Langis
Speaker 1: scored in the last minute and myself and John had
Speaker 1: to second guess whether Arsi kicked the goal because we
Speaker 1: couldn't be acid watching it. Quite frankly, where do we
Speaker 1: go with this? John? Look? I think I think the
Speaker 1: first thing to say is, I don't think, okay, I
Speaker 1: was sensational. I thought executing the timing, the decision making,
Speaker 1: the lines have run, the recognition, so much work to
Speaker 1: do there. I think they overcooked some of the sort
Speaker 1: of completion aspects. I think if they were let off
Speaker 1: the leash attacking wise, it could have been even bigger.
Speaker 1: That's a scary thing. I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think I think probably what was
Speaker 2: it was at thirty four nil, thirty eight nil at
Speaker 2: half time, I think hit seventy.
Speaker 1: He included.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think CAS did put up a bit more
Speaker 2: of a fight defensively in the second half, but also
Speaker 2: made a few errors. The start of the game was
Speaker 2: the start of the game was so bad because there
Speaker 2: was a cast era and then there was a pretty
Speaker 2: bad forward pass from whole car and then Gary Gary
Speaker 2: played the ball and there was no one at marker
Speaker 2: and okay, I got the ball back.
Speaker 3: And then the two lawn tries.
Speaker 2: I mean, the first one it's just a simple show
Speaker 2: and go, and then the second one there was only
Speaker 2: one marker and he was just allowed to advance from.
Speaker 1: Just basically fell over the line.
Speaker 3: It was. There was some really basic stuff.
Speaker 2: And I know there was one CAST fan who was like,
Speaker 2: what do you expect We've got thirteen players out, And yeah,
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting Cast to win, but I was expected
Speaker 2: to be able to catch the ball and hold the
Speaker 2: ball and contact and you know, actually make some contact
Speaker 2: and defense and tackle.
Speaker 3: It was just Yeah.
Speaker 2: You could see Ryan Carr in the in the coach's box,
Speaker 2: his you know, reaction to what was going on. You
Speaker 2: could see he was filthy.
Speaker 1: Aging in front of our eyes.
Speaker 2: He is he's I think he's probably losing hair by
Speaker 2: the by the by the game.
Speaker 1: He was a young coach when he arrived in England.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just, yeah, it was not a It
Speaker 2: was not a good game. And I think I did
Speaker 2: feel for Plt, not just because I know his father
Speaker 2: and I've actually played touch footage with him. What's Who's PLT?
Speaker 3: Phoenix?
Speaker 2: I can't really pronounce you, said Lala Tonga guy who
Speaker 2: just signed. I broke the story that he he'd left
Speaker 2: Catalans and signed for Casts, which was confirmed earlier week,
Speaker 2: and he made his cast debut tonight. You know, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't have probably only had maybe one two training sessions
Speaker 2: with his new teammates that it was a very tough
Speaker 2: night for him, made a few errors, but you know,
Speaker 2: set up that nice try with the grubber at the end,
Speaker 2: and obviously it'll be a learning experience for him. But yeah,
Speaker 2: just from the whole cast for point of view, you know,
Speaker 2: they were dreadful last week and then just dreadful again.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, you look at their and
Speaker 2: it's not just the halves, but you look at their
Speaker 2: halves and their attack, they just don't really offer anything,
Speaker 2: whether it be you know, breaking down an offense, kicking game.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of those players in that cast
Speaker 2: squad are just probably not up to scratch for this level.
Speaker 2: And I think personally, Lee, I think you know, we
Speaker 2: mentioned this last week. We probably mentioned that the week before.
Speaker 2: You know, I think with every one sided victory or
Speaker 2: predictable victory or whipping, we're just seeing another point of why.
Speaker 3: There shouldn't be fought in teams.
Speaker 2: If anything, you know, there's there's really enough quality for
Speaker 2: ten teams.
Speaker 1: Let me give you some statistics, John, Yeah. Sure, And
Speaker 1: we didn't just mention it last week or the week before.
Speaker 1: We've mentioned this since episode one in the month of April,
Speaker 1: which is still April where you are. It's May now
Speaker 1: here in Australia where I am, fourteen of twenty two
Speaker 1: fixtures the winner has scored double or more than double
Speaker 1: than their opponents. Seven of those were newly sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: seven of those were newly promoted sides nearly one third.
Speaker 1: Nine of the twenty two over a thirty four point margin.
Speaker 1: So nine of the twenty two fixtures were over a
Speaker 1: thirty four point margin, so well over one third of
Speaker 1: the fixtures in April. Half of those were newly promoted sides.
Speaker 1: Now that's just April. The key thing is, and this
Speaker 1: is the key thing when analyzing these statistics, it's a
Speaker 1: hell of a lot worse than March was, which means
Speaker 1: these teams were competitive in March. Now they're finding really things,
Speaker 1: really tough. It's a legacy of a few things. It's
Speaker 1: a legacy of the fact that, like you said, there's
Speaker 1: an extra teams in the Super League. Imagine the three
Speaker 1: worst teams in the Super League now were merged into
Speaker 1: the into the into the two above them, they'd be
Speaker 1: stronger sides. It's also a legacy of the roock speeds,
Speaker 1: so that was a big change that's been brought in.
Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily how how how much notice the
Speaker 1: coach has got about those roough speeds and therefore preparing
Speaker 1: for them in pre season, and also of course the
Speaker 1: six again rule as well. So everything is bearing out
Speaker 1: as you and I said, I've said ad nauseum, John,
Speaker 1: And this is why I was sort of hoping you'd
Speaker 1: put some flowers into this podcast, because it's nobody wants
Speaker 1: to see this, and I feel so sorry for the
Speaker 1: Castleford fans.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should feel sorry for the
Speaker 1: coach because there's obviously a coaching element too to all this,
Speaker 1: and I'm still trying to work that out. But they've
Speaker 1: been inconsistent in performance. Is their errors coming out of
Speaker 1: their own end today? My god? Their attack when they
Speaker 1: did have some was putrid. Their defensive decision making was
Speaker 1: proved putrid. Where did Cast go from here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think just just on the coach.
Speaker 2: I mean he joined on October November, and I don't
Speaker 2: think you know, probably a lot of the recruitment he's
Speaker 2: had a saying or even christ Chester and I think
Speaker 2: christ Chester joined maybe July last year. But Cast have
Speaker 2: changed coaches. You know, they've had three coaches in the
Speaker 2: last you know, in the last year or something. You know,
Speaker 2: they had Danny Maguire and then they got rid of
Speaker 2: him to get Ryan Carver, before they had Craig Lingard,
Speaker 2: he wasn't there that long, and they had Danny Ward
Speaker 2: for a bit they had Lee Bradford like I don't.
Speaker 2: I think the whole club needs you know, the whole
Speaker 2: joint needs to be you know, rejuvenated, fixed up, whatever
Speaker 2: adjective you want to use.
Speaker 3: It needs a.
Speaker 1: Whole maybe stabilized, you know, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 3: It needs it needs investment.
Speaker 2: They are they are the state by a bit, which
Speaker 2: is long long overdue.
Speaker 3: But you know, I think they're academy. They don't.
Speaker 2: They don't produce a huge amount of players casts, and
Speaker 2: I think that's always an issue when you're not you're
Speaker 2: relying on players from other clubs or overseas, and they've
Speaker 2: got a large overseas contingent, and I think their recruitment
Speaker 2: has been has been pretty poor for consistently and I know,
Speaker 2: you know, Cass they're not big spenders in terms of
Speaker 2: other clubs in the Cup. And it's also it's not
Speaker 2: the most you know, to be frankly honest, it's not
Speaker 2: the most desirable club you know to go if you're
Speaker 2: a If you're an Aussie player from the n r
Speaker 2: L and you've got you know, wigging in for your leads,
Speaker 2: in for your casting for you you know you're going
Speaker 2: to go to the club with the better facilities, the
Speaker 2: you know, everything that's chattered to winning silverware. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: You know, that's another component. But it's not necessarily all
Speaker 2: about wages. So look, it isn't There is only a
Speaker 2: long I think it's a long rebuild for for Cass.
Speaker 2: I don't think necessarily, you know, they've just invested in
Speaker 2: Ryan Carl Like changing the coach now, I think would
Speaker 2: be would be crazy if you need to change a
Speaker 2: few of those players.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are.
Speaker 2: They are missing, you know, a lot of quality player
Speaker 2: or a lot of you know players in their top
Speaker 2: line squad. Third and also but I think a lot
Speaker 2: of players they do have there are probably not up
Speaker 2: to it either. So I think they do need to
Speaker 2: clean out of their roster.
Speaker 1: When was it, When was it announced that the rock
Speaker 1: Speeds were going to be quicker?
Speaker 2: I think I think I'm not sure exactly when, but
Speaker 2: I know in terms of in terms of the ashes,
Speaker 2: and I think that that was probably a real enforcement
Speaker 2: that okay, we need to change here because the Australian
Speaker 2: game is so far ahead of us. And I think
Speaker 2: in the off season there was some meetings and you
Speaker 2: know that was sort of brought out, but I don't
Speaker 2: think there was.
Speaker 3: There wasn't a lot of lead time.
Speaker 2: There wasn't probably a lot of you know, and I
Speaker 2: think referees did go into some clubs and do some sessions,
Speaker 2: but I don't think.
Speaker 1: There was a well, you know, this is why some
Speaker 1: of the weaker teams will be struggling. I tell you
Speaker 1: what else teams have worked out for cast just run
Speaker 1: at weaver of the scrum half. I reckon the lad
Speaker 1: made a thousand tackles on the right side of that
Speaker 1: defense today, So no wonder the attack is suffering as
Speaker 1: a result, because okay, I just piled down that side
Speaker 1: and then shifted right in the first half, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's It was just like an avalanche in
Speaker 1: that first half. And let's let's flip the coin. Who
Speaker 1: was good for whole k are? Who's who? Who disappointed
Speaker 1: you or well? I think I think Tom Davis got
Speaker 1: a hat trick. I think you know, he finished, particularly
Speaker 1: that that final one really really well. You know, Joe
Speaker 1: Burgess has finished was brilliant in not a lot of space.
Speaker 1: I think kyl Llton Carl Lawton in starting instead of
Speaker 1: Jesse Litton obviously you know, he got some easy tries,
Speaker 1: but he still did you know, he had the smarts
Speaker 1: and announced to to take advantage of that. I thought
Speaker 1: Minochello was was good again. And and mikeyl Lewis, I
Speaker 1: think he's having a really good season. Didn't get a
Speaker 1: try tonight, I don't. I know he did get sorry,
Speaker 1: he did get one when Macintosh skilled a boy o
Speaker 1: the line. I mean it was there was just so
Speaker 1: many gifts from Castleford. They're just obviously so low on confidence,
Speaker 1: but it was a lot of it was basic stuff,
Speaker 1: so it's really, you know, your heart, you struggle to
Speaker 1: comprehend and obviously everyone makes mistakes, but you know they
Speaker 1: are professionals and they train and and a lot of
Speaker 1: it was was really schoolboys stuff. Okay on the march
Speaker 1: and I think that said, I still think we've got
Speaker 1: a lot of improvement to go if they're going to
Speaker 1: compete with leads attack. If I'm honest, I think their
Speaker 1: attack looks a bit more free flowing, a bit more confident.
Speaker 1: The boys from Headingly look a bit more confident when
Speaker 1: they've got the ball. Wigan are obviously on a bit
Speaker 1: of a dip, sorry a significant dip. Saint Helen's I
Speaker 1: think we all know role is a good attacking coach
Speaker 1: and encourages players to play on instincts, so they're not
Speaker 1: going to drop off too much in attack, but defensively
Speaker 1: they'll They'll always be questions there, I think. But I
Speaker 1: think now we can probably probably put whole k Are
Speaker 1: in that mix now in terms of title challenges, and
Speaker 1: of course is Warrington who look pretty good on both
Speaker 1: sides of the ball, if I'm honested quite frankly at
Speaker 1: the moment, So so credit to wo k Are. They've
Speaker 1: pulled themselves back. There's something else I want to talk
Speaker 1: about before we go. John on forty four minutes Mikey
Speaker 1: Lewis ended up falling onto a ball and it was
Speaker 1: again off the back of another era from the cast
Speaker 1: Ford back three. The review process and then the video
Speaker 1: referee process far far far too long, far too long.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have been signed out for a
Speaker 2: long while. And yeah, I agree, hohheartedly.
Speaker 1: We're going to be recording Super League three sixty episode
Speaker 1: twenty later this week because John's John's away for the weekend.
Speaker 1: What you're looking forward to fixtures wise this weekend?
Speaker 3: I think I.
Speaker 2: Think Leeds Waki if I was in the country, I'd
Speaker 2: definitely be Headingly on Friday because I think obviously Leeds
Speaker 2: a riding high top of super League, great attack, but Wakefield,
Speaker 2: you know, they've been quite impressive us what four five
Speaker 2: six games, They've got a great record Headingly in recent years.
Speaker 2: Obviously not lead out of a coup earlier this season
Speaker 2: and beat them in there. I think it was the
Speaker 2: first game last season at Headingly, So I think they've
Speaker 2: got a really good rivalry and I think that could
Speaker 2: be a real hell of a game. But also looking
Speaker 2: forward to just jumping ahead. You know you talked about
Speaker 2: whole career and you talking about Warrington. The two Challenge
Speaker 2: Cup semi finals I think are really good tires whole
Speaker 2: Caw Warrington and Wigginson Helens.
Speaker 1: Is that the following Yeah, that's the following week, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I am. I am looking forward to those ones,
Speaker 2: I think. Apart from that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there'll be no there'll be no after the
Speaker 1: who to next week. On that note, they.
Speaker 2: Will they will not be because there are only the
Speaker 2: four games, and obviously the the two women's games. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I will give a quick plug to a story I
Speaker 2: just put out before kickoff today. The latest news on
Speaker 2: the NRL on Super League talks set to continue at
Speaker 2: Magic Round in Brisbane in about two weeks. I'm sure
Speaker 2: Lee will be you know, dotting around some corp and
Speaker 2: the Capital, the Queensland Capital are looking for Nigel Wood
Speaker 2: or Peter of Landi's or Andrew Abda.
Speaker 1: Is that is that? What's happening? Is it is Nigel
Speaker 1: Wood flying over? We have to read my story, Lee,
Speaker 1: that's if you put it beyond a paywall.
Speaker 2: I have got it be on to pay well because
Speaker 2: I'm a journalist and I deserve to be paid for
Speaker 2: my work. How dare I provide for my family and mortgage?
Speaker 2: But no, if you if you're interested in that.
Speaker 1: Where can people find it? John?
Speaker 2: They can find it on Patreon at Rugby League hub
Speaker 2: dot com longreads. Yeah, it's a bit of bit of
Speaker 2: news on what's going on, what's been happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: There's been quite a bit going on behind the scenes
Speaker 2: and people reaching out to or from Australia to people
Speaker 2: in the UK and dialogue going on. So yeah, it's
Speaker 2: an interesting time. I think I should be able to
Speaker 2: reveal a bit more on that, maybe next week.
Speaker 3: Or the week after with another story.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think a pivotal time everything we've been
Speaker 2: talking about and super lately. It was also an interesting
Speaker 2: I think I sent you to video, Lee, but I
Speaker 2: put it up on social media earlier interview with Chris
Speaker 2: Sadlinsky and Carl Fitzpatrick with the Bench podcast The Sky
Speaker 2: talking about a few things. But yeah, particularly I think
Speaker 2: Radlinsky's comments about a lot of people in super Leg
Speaker 2: are worried that super leg will become a feeder league
Speaker 2: to the NRL when that already is Yeah, it probably
Speaker 2: happened twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: Lee, Let's be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the denial and delusion that a lot of
Speaker 2: people in the game in England is quite scary.
Speaker 1: Might that sounds like a Monday discussion that one there
Speaker 1: else will be here all night.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, just I'll just finish and say, like, if we're
Speaker 2: going to change that dynamic or at least improved super League,
Speaker 2: then we need investment and we need change and the
Speaker 2: only one who's going to bring that investment is the NRL.
Speaker 1: So well, you mean to say there's no foreign investment
Speaker 1: hovering in the background like we were told.
Speaker 2: Every everyone I've spoken to and you know, people quite
Speaker 2: high up in the game. It seems there's no credibility
Speaker 2: to any of that private investment, even if there were,
Speaker 2: Even if there was credibility to it, lead like you
Speaker 2: look at what private investments down in rugby union, like,
Speaker 2: would that be a good move.
Speaker 1: For Look look what a bit of investment in live
Speaker 1: golf has done well exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean that it's not really a surprise, is it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think probably you know a lot of people.
Speaker 2: It's similar in boxing, isn't it. They're pulling out of
Speaker 2: a lot of what's happening in boxing.
Speaker 1: So at least we know the NRL will care about
Speaker 1: rugby league put it. Put it that way, so you
Speaker 1: know that has to Rugby league has to win out
Speaker 1: in that regard. So anyway, it sounds like a Monday
Speaker 1: topic to me, buddy, have a good weekend. You're off
Speaker 1: to Paris.
Speaker 3: I am off to bed for an early flight from Manchester.
Speaker 1: Have a goodnes and we'll see you Tuesday, Super League
Speaker 1: three sixty.
Speaker 3: We shall