Speaker 1: Welcome back midnight viewers to Midnight Viewing. Now, ordinarily this
Speaker 1: would have been follow Malone's Weekly round Up. In fact,
Speaker 1: I promised you a follow Malone's weekly round up covering
Speaker 1: the Sandman television series, which just returned on Netflix. But
Speaker 1: I was going to fold it into what's going to
Speaker 1: follow on this, which is a review of Superman I
Speaker 1: did as a crossover with the Projection Booth and the
Speaker 1: Culture Cast. Sandman is proving to be quite unwieldy and
Speaker 1: really worthy of its own episode, So postponed it'll be
Speaker 1: on next week. Trust me, it'll be worth it. So
Speaker 1: what follows is our look at Superman. Hope you enjoy it.
Speaker 2: Superman, the most powerful being on planet Earth.
Speaker 3: We finally meet.
Speaker 1: Now as planned.
Speaker 2: I'll destroy you, and of course that reporter you always
Speaker 2: do interviews with.
Speaker 1: Who raised you as a child.
Speaker 4: I'll kill them too. No matter what you do to me, Luthor,
Speaker 4: your plans will work. Wrap it up. Good luck with that.
Speaker 1: Nicko. They chose him.
Speaker 2: Let them die.
Speaker 1: Hi, quit messing around.
Speaker 4: I'm not messing around.
Speaker 1: I'm doing important stuff. Hey, buddy, Hi's up here.
Speaker 3: Welcome to a special crossover episode of Midnight Viewing. The
Speaker 3: Culture Cast and the Projection Booth. I'm you, Elspike quite
Speaker 3: join me once again?
Speaker 1: Is Father Malone look up in the sky?
Speaker 3: Also joining us is mister Chris Statue.
Speaker 4: If I call you bitch, does that make me super Girl?
Speaker 3: We are gathered to discuss the twenty twenty five film
Speaker 3: from writer director Ed Hanco of DC James Gunn. It's
Speaker 3: the story. Well, I'm just going to actually reuse the
Speaker 3: intro I use back in twenty twenty one for Superman
Speaker 3: the Movie. The film stars David korn Sweat a sweat, Yeah,
Speaker 3: corn sweat or sweat yep, Koran Sweat as the titular
Speaker 3: Man of Steel. It's neither bird nor playing, but a
Speaker 3: story of a man whose father gave has only begotten
Speaker 3: son for the people of Earth, and his prevails in
Speaker 3: the mortal realm will be He's out the truth, Jesus,
Speaker 3: He's out to fight for truth justice in the American
Speaker 3: way by foiling an elaborate Well, it's not really a
Speaker 3: real estate scam, but I guess maybe it is. Whatever
Speaker 3: it is, it's set up by Lex Luthor played by
Speaker 3: Nicholas Holt. I'm not sure if it's possible to spoil
Speaker 3: this film, but we are going to try. So if
Speaker 3: you haven't seen Superman, please turn off the podcast and
Speaker 3: come back after you have.
Speaker 1: We will still be here. So Chris as.
Speaker 3: The youngest one. As the youngest one here, what is
Speaker 3: your history with Superman and his various forms?
Speaker 1: Sir?
Speaker 4: Wow out me immediately. So I I had seen Superman
Speaker 4: Returns in theaters when it came out, which, as I'm
Speaker 4: sure we all remember, was such a filmic experience that
Speaker 4: they followed it up with nothing for a very long time.
Speaker 4: I then proceeded to avoid like the Plague, which of
Speaker 4: people apparently people don't mind not having anymore, the Man
Speaker 4: of Steel, which was primarily motivated by the fact that
Speaker 4: it was directed by Zack Snyder, who Yeah, I liked
Speaker 4: Yojimbo or is it seven Samurai when it wasn't five
Speaker 4: hours long? With Rebel Moon or all of the other
Speaker 4: extended horseshit that Zack Snyder throws up on the screen,
Speaker 4: like that Justice League that we talked about so many
Speaker 4: moons ago. So my experience with Superman was about that.
Speaker 4: I went into the new movie having watched the old
Speaker 4: movies to prepare for the new movie. Not having been
Speaker 4: a child of those movies. Not having been a child
Speaker 4: of the Chris Reeves Superman again, that is where we are.
Speaker 4: Probably at least one or two of us are different
Speaker 4: in that regard because when I was growing up, I
Speaker 4: did not watch Superman. I watched those Batman movies, and
Speaker 4: by those, I mean the one because, as Father Malone knows,
Speaker 4: we just I just recently watched Batman Returns for the
Speaker 4: first time last year, so I was more exposed to
Speaker 4: other DC properties early on, not so much Superman. And
Speaker 4: then you know, post Batman or Superman Returns again, I've
Speaker 4: seen Superman in things, but more or less against my
Speaker 4: will is kind of what it feels like with Batman
Speaker 4: versus Superman. Justice League movies. I unequivocally had no interest
Speaker 4: in covering, but covered because somebody's gonna want to hear
Speaker 4: us say something about it at some point, so it
Speaker 4: might as well be as soon as it comes out.
Speaker 4: But that's my history with Superman. So I am coming
Speaker 4: into this with no expectations. It's really the only expectation
Speaker 4: I had going into this movie was it actually kind
Speaker 4: of looked good like the guy who plays Superman, David Corning.
Speaker 4: Sweat actually feels like a hopeful version of Superman, not
Speaker 4: like this dour, sad, muscle bound guy who seems like
Speaker 4: he couldn't be less interested in playing Superman if you tried,
Speaker 4: kind of like Daniel Craig with James Bond, It's like,
Speaker 4: we get it, you don't like it. Everybody else would
Speaker 4: love to play this role, but you fucking hate it.
Speaker 4: Fun So I didn't get that in the trailers, and
Speaker 4: I didn't watch the trailers for this movie, which I'm
Speaker 4: trying to follow your lead in that regard, Mike, because
Speaker 4: you tend to not watch trailers for stuff, and I
Speaker 4: will say the trailers for this movie didn't spoil anything either,
Speaker 4: So there was also that. But that's my experience with Superman.
Speaker 4: So I'm probably the least exposed of the three of
Speaker 4: us in terms of Superman and Superman knowledge. What about you,
Speaker 4: father Malone.
Speaker 1: Well, when I was a kid, there were no DC properties,
Speaker 1: There were no comic book properties at all. The first
Speaker 1: comic book character I saw in the BIGC was Christopher
Speaker 1: Reeve Superman in nineteen seventy eight. I was five years old.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Mike you had a similar story. So it
Speaker 1: was that and then Superman two, and then three and
Speaker 1: then four. I've seen every cinematic Superman on screen since
Speaker 1: he's been making flicks to greater and lesser interest and success.
Speaker 1: I'd say those movies pretty much for me, the last
Speaker 1: good Superman movie was Superman two. It might be the
Speaker 1: only actual good Superman movie because everything else has been
Speaker 1: diminishing Returns as far as I could tell, what's his name,
Speaker 1: Brian fucking Singer with his horrible like attempt to sequelize
Speaker 1: what was already sequalized. You calm down, young man.
Speaker 4: Oh right, that's right. Superman Returns was technically a sequel
Speaker 4: to what Superman four.
Speaker 1: Superman More, Superman two?
Speaker 4: Yeah, two, okay, and four Okay. I was trying to
Speaker 4: remember if it was the we cut out, we cut
Speaker 4: a movie out scenario or not. That was a very
Speaker 4: early example of that too, by the way.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's on the heel of us not getting
Speaker 1: the Tim Burton Superman movie that we'd all been the
Speaker 1: salivating over during the nineties and then, God damn, I
Speaker 1: kind of disagree with you. I think Henry cavill I
Speaker 1: don't think he was disinterested in playing that character. I
Speaker 1: think he wanted to play that character. I just think
Speaker 1: he was given the fucking most dour universe ever to
Speaker 1: be Superman in and who would want to play that
Speaker 1: version of Superman? Anyone to want to play this one?
Speaker 1: But I hated those movies. You know, I've said it before.
Speaker 1: Zack Snyder has read two comic books, Dark Knight Returns
Speaker 1: and Watchman, and that's it. And he didn't understand Watchman,
Speaker 1: so he should not.
Speaker 4: Have understood that Watchman was visually compelling. What's about it?
Speaker 4: That's it, that's.
Speaker 1: It, right, he gets surface things. That's why he used
Speaker 1: every music cue from the book in there. That's why
Speaker 1: he put fucking sounds of silence in there because he
Speaker 1: heard it in another movie. It's like, anyway, we are
Speaker 1: not here to discuss Zack Snyder. Mercifully his reign is
Speaker 1: over and all of his fanboys can shut up. Fuck
Speaker 1: up now, because I've really enjoyed this new Superman. I thoroughly.
Speaker 1: I had a good time. Honestly, I have a lot
Speaker 1: of fucking problems. Nevertheless, this was such a promising step
Speaker 1: in the right direction. How about you, Miguel, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Very similar story. I think I have seen every Superman
Speaker 3: since seventy eight. I mean, I didn't watch you know,
Speaker 3: Superman versus the Molement or any of those.
Speaker 1: But as far as I saw those in the theater,
Speaker 1: I was a kid. When I was a kid, there
Speaker 1: was a theater that was a revival house that used
Speaker 1: to show cereals. So I saw the Batman Sirius and
Speaker 1: the Superman serio.
Speaker 3: Sorry, no, no problem. Something good to brag about, definitely,
Speaker 3: And yeah, I really well, I can't say I had
Speaker 3: a lot of hopes pinned to the two thousand and
Speaker 3: six Superman returns. I liked hearing the music cues. My
Speaker 3: friend Micah Thompson was recalling, you know, oh yeah, when
Speaker 3: we saw that trailer, we were just so happy about it.
Speaker 3: And he said, but what if they didn't use the music,
Speaker 3: what if they didn't use John Williams's score, would we
Speaker 3: have still felt the same? Probably not. And they were
Speaker 3: going all out using footage of Marlon Brando. Really they
Speaker 3: were also using the same lines from the earlier films.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, why would he still be saying these
Speaker 3: things We've already heard him say to miss Lane that
Speaker 3: you know, traveling is statistically still the safest way to fly.
Speaker 3: It just felt I like Brandon Routh, and I felt
Speaker 3: like kind of like Henry Cavill, he just got shoved
Speaker 3: into a shit movie. And I mean, I'm not a
Speaker 3: big fan of Scott Pilgrims Versus the World or Saves
Speaker 3: the World or whatever it is, but Ralth really kind
Speaker 3: of redeemed himself in that movie for me. But man,
Speaker 3: oh man, that was just such a letdown. And then
Speaker 3: every Zack Snyder influenced thing. I mean, the only time
Speaker 3: I think I saw Henry Cavill's smile was maybe in
Speaker 3: his little cameo in the Shazam movie.
Speaker 1: But holy shit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this one, it's definitely a James gun film.
Speaker 3: It felt so James Gunn. It was more James gun
Speaker 3: than James Gunn. Could James Gunn at this.
Speaker 4: Point you really think so?
Speaker 1: Oh please?
Speaker 4: I mean, James gun was holding himself back.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I disagree.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize we were giving our thoughts on the
Speaker 4: movie either, because I didn't give mine. I thought this
Speaker 4: movie was a step in the right direction. But just
Speaker 4: as your foot was landing, you tripped a little bit,
Speaker 4: just ever so slightly. It wasn't a full landing, because.
Speaker 3: It was I will say that I enjoyed this movie absolutely.
Speaker 1: I had a lot of.
Speaker 3: Fun with it, just sometimes the James gunness of it
Speaker 3: got in the way a little bit. When it came
Speaker 3: to like Crypto, I was like, okay, yeah, I remember
Speaker 3: the dog from Guardians to the Galaxy three and the
Speaker 3: way that he would back and forth with Sean Gunn
Speaker 3: and all that, and just yeah, the Crypto felt so
Speaker 3: Rocket Raccoon meets whatever. I can't remember the name of
Speaker 3: the dog from the third Guardians film, who was also
Speaker 3: I believe in the special Christmas special.
Speaker 1: I we're talking about Cosmo, And yeah, James Gunn has
Speaker 1: had a fixation with dogs and all all of his movies.
Speaker 1: That's fine, and now it's his dog as his dog
Speaker 1: now as an old Superman fan, look, I didn't think
Speaker 1: we were ever getting Crypto, and honestly I didn't want Crypto,
Speaker 1: so no one was as shocked as me. The Crypto
Speaker 1: was as well presented as he is, like. He was
Speaker 1: very fun for about twenty minutes, and then I was like, Okay, yep, okay,
Speaker 1: Crypto again, let's put him here again. At the end.
Speaker 1: Net dude, we get it. You love fucking dogs. We
Speaker 1: all love dogs. I love Superman. That's the fucking movie.
Speaker 1: I came for.
Speaker 3: I didn't mind Crypto. I thought he was cute and everything,
Speaker 3: but he was just I kind of wish there was
Speaker 3: a real dog mixed in with the CGI version of
Speaker 3: the dog. I don't know if there really was a
Speaker 3: dog that was used in this film at all. It
Speaker 3: just felt like pure CGI the whole way through, and.
Speaker 4: The dog is based off of James Gunn's real dog. Okay, good, Yeah,
Speaker 4: like literally, yeah, like that's he's I kept seeing my
Speaker 4: own dog and all the promotional stuff. It's like, all right,
Speaker 4: James gun all right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I was surprised that Sean Gunn
Speaker 3: wasn't in it.
Speaker 1: More.
Speaker 3: I did like the little voice cameos from some of
Speaker 3: the folks that were in Guardians, you know, Palm and
Speaker 3: Michael Rooker I'm sure had a voice cameo with some
Speaker 3: of these superbots that he had. And I liked those
Speaker 3: Superman bots that he had because they really reminded me,
Speaker 3: you know. I was talking of that whole Tim Burton thing,
Speaker 3: the Tim Burton ordeal, the saga to get that film
Speaker 3: to the screen, which never ultimately happened. There were what
Speaker 3: six scripts, I think at least, including one by J. J. Abrams,
Speaker 3: and all of these scripts had different stuff, but they
Speaker 3: were all so based on the death of Superman, which
Speaker 3: included the use of a Kryptonian robot that basically merged
Speaker 3: with Superman to almost be like an exoskeleton for him,
Speaker 3: and it was very similar to this whole you know,
Speaker 3: robot thing that he had going. Oh, it's technology from
Speaker 3: his other world.
Speaker 1: But I have to be eradicator, yes.
Speaker 3: Thank you, which loves to play squash on Tuesdays against
Speaker 3: the Yeah W Records.
Speaker 4: And yeah.
Speaker 3: But I have to say, as soon as they showed
Speaker 3: that video with Bradley Cooper, I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 3: I know where this is going. He was sent here
Speaker 3: to conquer Earth, not to protect Earth. Eventually that's going
Speaker 3: to come out. And I just felt that sometimes it
Speaker 3: was a little too twenty twenty five with all of
Speaker 3: the stuff about online chatter and super shit, and then
Speaker 3: seeing all the monkeys with the brain implants and stuff,
Speaker 3: and I was just like, all right, this is a
Speaker 3: little much. I kind of wish they had backed off
Speaker 3: of that a little bit and maybe given Lex Luthor
Speaker 3: a little bit more space and a little bit more nuance,
Speaker 3: because he just seemed pissed off the entire time, and
Speaker 3: I love Nicholas Holt, but it just felt like he
Speaker 3: was playing it at eleven the whole way through.
Speaker 4: Kind of like that he was playing it at eleven
Speaker 4: because he was like a rage baiting troll of the
Speaker 4: kind that you run into gaming online, like an actual,
Speaker 4: like fucking internet troll, but given the ability to actually,
Speaker 4: you know, use his brain as opposed to just typing
Speaker 4: the end word over and over again, this guy is
Speaker 4: much more of a nuanced asshole.
Speaker 1: So he's actually lethal in person and thus not like
Speaker 1: an internet troll at all. He's exactly like a fly.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have multifaceted eyes nor wings, but he's definitely
Speaker 1: like a fly.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think, at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: if you have a movie that's as narratively disjointed as
Speaker 4: this one, and you expect the audience to understand that
Speaker 4: coming into it, it's not going to be an origin story,
Speaker 4: which I don't think the issue of it not being
Speaker 4: an origin story is an issue at all.
Speaker 3: Oh, I.
Speaker 1: Get right to it, everybody.
Speaker 4: I think it worked really well, but I don't think
Speaker 4: the rest of the plot, like you kind of alluded to, Mike,
Speaker 4: does anything other than kind of meer itself in a
Speaker 4: specific time and place. And we've talked about this before.
Speaker 4: It's something like the Twilight's own reboot and then something
Speaker 4: else that this the end of this movie, and Nicholas
Speaker 4: Holt in a lot of ways the framing device. And
Speaker 4: again I know James gunn Is when writing the script,
Speaker 4: just like I know who wrote the script for Ghostbusters
Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. The villain in Ghostbusters twenty sixteen was an
Speaker 4: Internet in cell. That's what he was. That's who took
Speaker 4: that movie to task was Internet in cells because they
Speaker 4: thought the movie wasn't gonna be good because women were
Speaker 4: cast as Ghostbusters. It wasn't good because it wasn't funny.
Speaker 4: Like Father Malone alluded to with the Zack Snyder fanboys
Speaker 4: that are just like dragging this movie because it exists.
Speaker 4: I feel like part of the James Gunness of the
Speaker 4: movie that I have a problem with because I think
Speaker 4: he restrained himself at times with other things that he
Speaker 4: wants to always do. I think he set the movie
Speaker 4: in too specific a time and place. And I think,
Speaker 4: to Mike, to your point, the twenty twenty five of
Speaker 4: it all and it's not the And again I don't
Speaker 4: want to say the wokeness of it all, because that's
Speaker 4: a stupid term. But there are things that I don't
Speaker 4: think necessarily do your movie any service, including them because
Speaker 4: they date your movie. And I'm not saying every movie
Speaker 4: neems to be timeless, but the dating of this movie
Speaker 4: does not help the movie's pause, and I think it's
Speaker 4: the muddied plot of the movie kind of goes nowhere,
Speaker 4: doesn't justify Superman getting involved, and by the end of it,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm just excited for whatever happens next because
Speaker 4: that means I get to see this character who I
Speaker 4: actually like, is Superman, this version of Superman going and
Speaker 4: doing something else. Hopefully it's not this.
Speaker 1: Don't make it this what plot? I would say During
Speaker 1: the entire film, I kept wondering what the plot was,
Speaker 1: and now twenty four hours later, I'm still wondering. The
Speaker 1: plot is basically Lex Luthors versus Superman, no matter what
Speaker 1: the scenario, and that always superos. That's fine, and I'm
Speaker 1: willing to go with that, but I do need to
Speaker 1: spend a little bit more time with Lex. If you're
Speaker 1: going to tell me that the same amount of screen
Speaker 1: time afforded to the miss test Mocker Jimmy Olsen romance
Speaker 1: is equal because what in the fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: First of all, just personally, I do not like that
Speaker 1: actor playing Jim Olschel. There's something about that guy that
Speaker 1: makes me think he grew up eating fried Maloney sandwiches.
Speaker 1: There's just something about his face that makes me want
Speaker 1: to push it in. I don't like him. Nevertheless, I
Speaker 1: also was like, why are we watching this? I know
Speaker 1: Lex because I know Lex, because I've read the fucking
Speaker 1: comics my entire life, and I've fucking watched all of
Speaker 1: the movies and the TV shows and everything, right, And
Speaker 1: that's fine, so I don't necessarily need to get inside
Speaker 1: his brain. But as you've said, he is at eleven
Speaker 1: the entire time. This is the angriest Lex we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And I'm good with angry Lex. That's fine. We haven't
Speaker 1: really seen him yet, But what is actually motivating him?
Speaker 1: I want one scene where we find that out. Just
Speaker 1: slow him down for two fucking seconds. If that were
Speaker 1: to include maybe a conversation with Superman that wasn't them
Speaker 1: just trying to beat the shit out of each other,
Speaker 1: that could have been welcome, And that only kept getting
Speaker 1: reinforced every time we cut to this stupid fucking test
Speaker 1: Macker Jimmy Olsen romance that I mean, I know it
Speaker 1: makes sense the plot, like whatever plot there is, like
Speaker 1: that pays off, but who cares anyway, Sorry.
Speaker 4: I had it.
Speaker 1: I had to vent my spleen about the fucking Jimmy
Speaker 1: Owlsen bullshit.
Speaker 4: Manzanda, What did he do to hurt you? Father Malone.
Speaker 1: He's unappealing, that's I mean, that's it. It's just, you know,
Speaker 1: he seems a very talented human being. Maybe he's a
Speaker 1: really nice guy. I don't like the look of him.
Speaker 1: It's like Billy Zaye. I know everyone loves Billy z Aye.
Speaker 1: That's the I get the same sort of ick factor
Speaker 1: from him.
Speaker 4: Robin Wright Penn with me. I get it.
Speaker 1: I get that one too. I get that. So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 4: Get it. I will say. Skyler Goazando is very funny
Speaker 4: in the Vacation reboot where he's just having the ship
Speaker 4: beat out of him the entire movie.
Speaker 1: So that was where I get there. That's where I
Speaker 1: learned to know. I actually learned to hate him there
Speaker 1: because I was like, this is our rusty.
Speaker 3: This Yeah, but it's funny. I mean, we we just
Speaker 3: talked about vacation for the Chasing Chevy Chase podcast and
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there through three quarters of the movie just
Speaker 3: going that can't look so familiar.
Speaker 1: Why do I know?
Speaker 3: And I did like this weird thing where because he's
Speaker 3: not traditionally handsome whatsoever. And when they had the very
Speaker 3: attractive girls waving at him, I was like, are they
Speaker 3: waving at somebody behind him? And then later on when
Speaker 3: they see what eve Testmoker looks like, and it took
Speaker 3: me forever to realize that she was miss Testmcker. They
Speaker 3: just come calling her Eve through the whole thing. But
Speaker 3: when they find out what she looks like and they're like,
Speaker 3: what is it with you?
Speaker 1: Jimmy?
Speaker 3: Like why are all these girls throwing themselves at you?
Speaker 3: These very hot women? What is going on here?
Speaker 1: I kind of like that.
Speaker 3: I really wanted more Perry White. I really would have
Speaker 3: liked to have seen more of him, and you know,
Speaker 3: I really like the actor that played him, but Wendell Pierce,
Speaker 3: but it just felt like there wasn't a lot of them.
Speaker 3: And I guess I am not very smart when it
Speaker 3: comes to the Superman more. I kind of go back
Speaker 3: more to the old radio show and stuff when it
Speaker 3: comes to the Daily Planet, because I had no idea
Speaker 3: who this Cat Grant character is.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's relatively new. She showed up in the eighties.
Speaker 3: Okay, because I'm just like, who is this little blonde
Speaker 3: lady who looks kind of like Kristin Chenowith But isn't
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a comparison.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know, just the I think maybe
Speaker 1: it was overstuffed with characters.
Speaker 3: Sometimes, yeah, I mean just having this time. No, but
Speaker 3: when you have this like bubble that they're in when
Speaker 3: it comes to the internet, when it comes to the
Speaker 3: media sphere, and it's almost like I'm done with it,
Speaker 3: you know, Okay, this bad thing happens. Then suddenly we
Speaker 3: cut to Michael Ian Black as cleaveless Thornweight doing his
Speaker 3: whole talk show and all this stuff. And then later
Speaker 3: on when they find out that Lex Luthor is a trader,
Speaker 3: cut to again, like all the headlines aren't immediately that,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, oh, it's the twenty four hour news cycle.
Speaker 3: It's like how many times it's not a Barry Sonenfeld movie,
Speaker 3: And oh, come on, like it's just leave it alone.
Speaker 4: Would you go to the movies to escape? Guys, you
Speaker 4: go to the movies to escape. And I know that
Speaker 4: this sounds fucking stupid, and I know it might sound pass,
Speaker 4: but I don't fucking need to be reminded about how
Speaker 4: shitty the world is outside in the fucking movies. I say,
Speaker 4: because holy shit, the world outside is rough as it is.
Speaker 4: But then it's it's Superman's dealing with the same stuff.
Speaker 5: Why I am like, fucking cool, I guess whoop de
Speaker 5: dode like, I don't know, Like at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, yes, I'm glad we never had Iron Man
Speaker 5: was a drunk in the MCU.
Speaker 4: But I think the MCU made the right call by
Speaker 4: not including that, because nobody wants to see Robert Downey
Speaker 4: Junior pretending to be an old version of himself that
Speaker 4: he didn't fucking and they avoid it.
Speaker 1: No, they just puss it out. In the second one
Speaker 1: where they had that one.
Speaker 4: With him, he's he's pissing in his thing.
Speaker 1: So don't think that they fucking avoided that. They just
Speaker 1: didn't dedicate an entire movie to that story arc.
Speaker 4: They did.
Speaker 1: They played they played that arc out friend.
Speaker 4: But they didn't give it a whole movie.
Speaker 1: No, because you know, because nobody wanted to sit there
Speaker 1: for an entire movie. But I understand what you're saying
Speaker 1: about the times reflecting the movie and we want to
Speaker 1: get away from it and everything. However, all my fear
Speaker 1: going into this movie was I don't know that, given
Speaker 1: our fucking current political climate, when the world is on fire,
Speaker 1: that I can get behind some bullshit fucking like plot
Speaker 1: line of Superman and Lois Lane and Lex Luthor for
Speaker 1: the fucking millions time. So I actually embraced that they were,
Speaker 1: in an oblique way, dealing with our current climate and
Speaker 1: dealing with the current attitudes and the current political machinations
Speaker 1: that are going on, because ultimately, it is a James
Speaker 1: gun movie and it is there to fucking hug you
Speaker 1: and make you feel good. So if they're gonna do
Speaker 1: it anywhere in entertainment, I wanted here because everything else
Speaker 1: is going to feel like a fucking a ball peen
Speaker 1: hammer of the skull.
Speaker 4: That's fair, But also, do we really want James Gunn
Speaker 4: to be the arbiter.
Speaker 1: In this case? Apparent apparently yes.
Speaker 4: I mean I guess, well, I guess, I guess, I
Speaker 4: guess when you piss an entire group of people on
Speaker 4: the internet off by saying and like, quote Superman is
Speaker 4: an immigrant, unquote, and.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's being a rebel. He's not being
Speaker 1: a rebel there though. It's like the most basic fucking
Speaker 1: fact about the man. He's not from.
Speaker 4: He is included in the Dean Kine Show, for fuck's sake. Literally,
Speaker 4: then the article about it, they quote an episode of
Speaker 4: that show. Like it's interminable at this point, how much
Speaker 4: people can't get out of their own way to just
Speaker 4: watch a fucking movie.
Speaker 1: It's interminable that we have to even have the conversation,
Speaker 1: who gives a ship? What are you all talking about?
Speaker 1: It's fucking Superman. He is the fucking he is the
Speaker 1: moral center of this country and pop culturally speaking, Like,
Speaker 1: ever since the fucking thirties, he has been our beacon
Speaker 1: of hope, and we embraced the fact that he fucking
Speaker 1: came from somewhere else and could do whatever he wanted
Speaker 1: and chose to live in it and enact our ideal.
Speaker 4: He disguises himself as a as a as someone from Kansas.
Speaker 1: For god, he is from someone from Kansas exactly.
Speaker 4: It's the I mean, here's and here's the thing. None
Speaker 4: of us are adopted. None of us can understand like
Speaker 4: direct adoption by two parents that are not ours. And
Speaker 4: that's the other thing that Superman brings is he's adopted
Speaker 4: by a family without children to be their son. And
Speaker 4: then he takes it upon himself to embrace that as
Speaker 4: a character, and that's part of his character. And in
Speaker 4: the movie, I think that's probably the best part of
Speaker 4: the entire movie for me, is those scenes with his family.
Speaker 4: That's it. There's a lot going on in the movie,
Speaker 4: but the moral, like the center in the heart of
Speaker 4: the movie, are those moments back in Kansas. But of
Speaker 4: course they were going to be great. We have four
Speaker 4: actors who are good actors, with well written dialogue interacting
Speaker 4: with each other, with all the noise cut out and
Speaker 4: nothing else. It's like an a waste in a sea
Speaker 4: of close up shots of David Corning, sweat flying through
Speaker 4: the air.
Speaker 1: As Clark Kent was raised in Smallville, Louisiana, right judging
Speaker 1: from his parents accents.
Speaker 5: There aren't.
Speaker 4: They've never been to Kansas, but they know where it
Speaker 4: is on a map that was wild. The accents were wild.
Speaker 4: I was like people in Kansas, people in this part
Speaker 4: of the Midwest don't have any accents. That's actually the point.
Speaker 4: That's why so many call centers are in the Midwest
Speaker 4: because people don't have accents in the Midwest. So but yeah,
Speaker 4: they sound like they're choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, the whole idea of him being an
Speaker 3: immigrant is what a lot of the lex Luthor problem
Speaker 3: this when he's on the MICA, Sorry, how dare this
Speaker 3: alien come to our planet and think that he can
Speaker 3: do all of this?
Speaker 1: Racist? He's a total racist? That should be enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then this whole thing of the two countries
Speaker 3: that he has fighting and all that. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's kind of your plot. So what I'm saying is
Speaker 3: if I was in the control room that I would
Speaker 3: probably turn down the whole thing about the media circus
Speaker 3: that is going on in our country that we have
Speaker 3: to deal with every single day, and maybe focus a
Speaker 3: little bit more on this maybe Ukrainian situation that we
Speaker 3: have when it comes to all of this. I mean,
Speaker 3: that is where the plot is heaviest for me, And
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, please, let's stick around with that. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I do agree that we tend to have a lot
Speaker 3: of characters in this movie, we are jumping all over
Speaker 3: the place, and yeah, a lot of people at the
Speaker 3: Daily Planet, a lot of people hanging out with Lex Luthor,
Speaker 3: this whole Justice Gang thing. It's like, okay, that's a
Speaker 3: little much as well. I mean, I would tell me
Speaker 3: anything about Hawkgirl at all, any.
Speaker 1: Any one thing.
Speaker 4: I don't even know which she's okay with killing people.
Speaker 1: I don't know which hot girl this is. There's a
Speaker 1: Thanagarian hawk girl, there's a hawk girl on Earth? Which
Speaker 1: one was she? Who knows, don't even know her fucking surname.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then to have the multiple villains and everything,
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, like maybe one rather than having Ultraman,
Speaker 3: which made me laugh every single time they said Ultraman.
Speaker 3: And then the Engineer, I'm like, oh, okay, but again
Speaker 3: they're medic humans, and if Lex hates medic humans, but.
Speaker 1: He employs them too, well, I mean that Lex has
Speaker 1: always done that, you know. Yeah, I mean, but the
Speaker 1: Pocket Universe.
Speaker 4: But employs them, you know, oh yeah, of course the movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean that's not small though. For ten
Speaker 1: seasons he was using them, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, I like the Pocket Universe stuff. I
Speaker 3: really like the mister terrific stuff. I thought that was great.
Speaker 3: I kind of wanted a little bit more of Guy Gordon.
Speaker 3: I know he's insufferable in the comics. And my same
Speaker 3: friend Mike told me his origin story and he I
Speaker 3: love this back story, and I really hope they go
Speaker 3: more into it when it comes to the Lantern series
Speaker 3: that they're going to be doing. And I have to
Speaker 3: say I was a little delighted when I got to
Speaker 3: see John Cena in here as well. That one little
Speaker 3: brief moment of the Patriot I thought was great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, they're going to have to explain that
Speaker 4: at some point, but I'm glad that we now see
Speaker 4: that as part of the thing.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, they're just going to explain it off
Speaker 1: as some pocket universe of its own. Here's the thing
Speaker 1: about pocket universes, and this is always my problem with
Speaker 1: most super villains, is that they always introduce some technology
Speaker 1: to defeat the hero that in and of itself the
Speaker 1: patent would make them billionaires beyond their wildest dreams. Lex
Speaker 1: has effectively a teleporter. Why is there any battlefield at
Speaker 1: those two countries? He's should just march them through his
Speaker 1: little pocket universe and into the fucking neighboring country, and
Speaker 1: Bob's your uncle. We now rule them. Here's the thing,
Speaker 1: I know he covered his bases here, James Gunn did
Speaker 1: in making that. Lex not only wants Superman out of
Speaker 1: the way, he wants him humiliated. So that's why most
Speaker 1: of the movie. Lex's plot concerns doing just that, like
Speaker 1: disgracing Superman. But really it's a means to an end
Speaker 1: to get him arrested, to get him into one of
Speaker 1: these Pocket universes when he has a we're spoiling everything, right,
Speaker 1: he has a clone of Superman that he is under
Speaker 1: his direct control, who at any time could have just
Speaker 1: grabbed onto Superman and thrown him into one of these
Speaker 1: machines and sent him into the Pocket Universe and then
Speaker 1: just fucking shut down the Pocket Universe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just destroy it.
Speaker 1: Is I love a Pocket universe, They're get me wrong.
Speaker 1: I like the visualization of it here and some of
Speaker 1: the things they do with it. But as soon as
Speaker 1: that was introduced, I'm like, Okay, well, this is a
Speaker 1: whole new cosmic sort of situation. Now this has repercussions
Speaker 1: beyond just Lex hates Superman and wants them off planet.
Speaker 1: Like it made it a little too advanced along the plot,
Speaker 1: along the timeline of these movies, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Well, it's us slightly disconcerting for me, as someone who
Speaker 4: has not been a fan of any of the MCU
Speaker 4: multiverse stuff, for them to be introducing this kind of
Speaker 4: stuff this early on, knowing how poorly the MCU has
Speaker 4: handled it, and this is just getting started. Don't like
Speaker 4: you said, ba ba blah, don't go there. Now there's
Speaker 4: you can do a kryptonite box with Superman in it,
Speaker 4: like they effectively did that. Anyways, that was still part
Speaker 4: of the equation. It wasn't just the Pocket Universe. It's
Speaker 4: also you had to be trapped in a box with
Speaker 4: a guy who can make kryptonite out of his body. Okay,
Speaker 4: why not just do that and then just bury the
Speaker 4: ground hundreds of you know, bury the box underground or something.
Speaker 1: Ain't invite Superman and bring Metamorpho with you.
Speaker 4: I just I'm worried because I know the Peacemakers show
Speaker 4: with John Cena is gonna have to explain how he
Speaker 4: the original peace Maker from the DCEU, is now in
Speaker 4: the DCEU, which are two different things, and they're gonna
Speaker 4: have to explain it somehow, and they've already they've already
Speaker 4: alluded to.
Speaker 1: The fact that it's just.
Speaker 4: I want this to stay untarnished by shit like that,
Speaker 4: because it's been shown how easily you can just start
Speaker 4: getting into the weeds of stupidity with multiverse stuff. Because
Speaker 4: the MCU has like hardcore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if they'll ever do that. I
Speaker 3: just feel like the Suicide Squad was basically the start
Speaker 3: of the DCEU, the dc U, whatever this new thing
Speaker 3: is called. Well, and I read on Wikipedia that they're
Speaker 3: calling it like Phase one Gods and Monsters or something, or.
Speaker 1: That he has been calling it since day one when
Speaker 1: he got the gig. He was like, Phase one will
Speaker 1: be gods and monsters, starting with creature commandos. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I definitely want to think about Universal
Speaker 1: Pictures when I'm watching a Warner Brothers. Good work, James.
Speaker 3: What do you guys think of Rachel Brosnahan as los Lane?
Speaker 1: Loved her, He's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that she's got a little Margot Kidder
Speaker 3: in her smile. I thought that was really nice. And
Speaker 3: I did really like Curry, and I really liked the
Speaker 3: scene of them doing the interview. I thought that was
Speaker 3: great acting on both of their parts, and I thought
Speaker 3: that both of these actors were terrific.
Speaker 1: I knew we were in good hands when she made
Speaker 1: a choice as Lewis Lane to eat an individually wrapped
Speaker 1: butterscotch candy by putting the entire wrapper into her mouth
Speaker 1: and then pulling it out and then using her teeth
Speaker 1: to keep the butter scotch in her mouth. I'm that's great.
Speaker 4: I think she's the best contemporary like you guys, said
Speaker 4: Lois Lane, since Margot Kidder. I don't think they gave
Speaker 4: Amy Adams enough to do with Man of Steel and
Speaker 4: then Kate Bosworth. I mean that movie. Just look that again.
Speaker 4: There's no excuses for that movie. That movie is a mess,
Speaker 4: and Brandon Routh and Kate Bosworth have nothing to do
Speaker 4: with that movie being a mess. That movie was a
Speaker 4: mess long before anybody else was brought on board. She's great.
Speaker 4: I think she's great. I again, I think she can
Speaker 4: stand up to David Corning Sweat as Superman, Baren sweat
Speaker 4: Corn Sweat as Superman and as Clark Kent, but obviously
Speaker 4: more importantly as Superman, and her being able to stand
Speaker 4: up to Superman, is you know, that's an important part
Speaker 4: of kind of the dynamic between the two of them,
Speaker 4: especially with what James Gun is going for. Actually has
Speaker 4: that she has a level of autonomy of her own
Speaker 4: as a character is important because that's kind of always
Speaker 4: been the point of the character, and that hasn't been
Speaker 4: as much a part of the movies as it should
Speaker 4: have been, if it ever has been with anything Zack
Speaker 4: Snyder did at all.
Speaker 1: You know, I can take colorblind casting like DRIs elba
Speaker 1: as Heim Dull, but I don't know where anyone got
Speaker 1: this idea that it's cool to make Lois Lane a blonde.
Speaker 1: Lois Lane is a brunette from now on, Let's keep
Speaker 1: it that way. That is all.
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to go after Perry White.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, what kind of podcast
Speaker 3: am I on right now?
Speaker 1: Laurence Fishman was the last Perry White. I mean, you know, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh you know what they bitched about that too? Oh
Speaker 1: fuck kill they did.
Speaker 4: It wasn't enough that he was Morpheus.
Speaker 1: Okay, the people who ended up bitching that we weren't
Speaker 1: embracing Zack Snyder enough. Initially, We're bitching that Perry White
Speaker 1: was black. Let's not remember, let's not forget that about
Speaker 1: those Zack Snyder fans.
Speaker 3: And you could hold a gun against my head and
Speaker 3: ask me who played Perry White or Jimmy Olsen in
Speaker 3: the Superman Returns. Maybe I would say Paul Dano was he?
Speaker 3: I don't even remember who these other people were. It's
Speaker 3: so tough that.
Speaker 1: Perry White was Franklinngella.
Speaker 3: Oh Jesus, wow, thank you, because I just could not
Speaker 3: think of Jimmy Olsen.
Speaker 4: Was Sam Huntington, okay? Dylan No, he wasn't. Was he?
Speaker 1: Dylan Dog with good of Night? Brandon Routh was Yeah, but.
Speaker 4: Wasn't Sam Huntington or No, Sam Worthington, one of those white,
Speaker 4: generic white guys from the mid two thousands was yeah,
Speaker 4: Jy Courtney Worthington.
Speaker 3: Sam worthing Sorry, Sam Huntington.
Speaker 4: Was a jungle to jungle?
Speaker 1: Was he?
Speaker 4: He wasn't Dylan Dog deadhim?
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 4: That's how the that's the real Brandon Ralph Kig that
Speaker 4: everybody wanted to work on, was Dylan dog Deadim Knight.
Speaker 4: I was disappointed, Mike, you didn't say that was your
Speaker 4: Brandon Ralph movie in choice.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: How what theater the one screening of the one theater
Speaker 4: in the United States that showed that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just showed up, and then I
Speaker 1: saw it in the paper. I went, well, let's go.
Speaker 4: That's wild.
Speaker 1: He was so good. And not another teen movie too.
Speaker 3: That that old scene with the Paul I can't remember
Speaker 3: that guy's named Gleason, the principal from.
Speaker 4: Yeah, from the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: Out.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think that this might be the outside of
Speaker 4: Margo Kidder as Lois Lane. I think this might be
Speaker 4: the best version of the Daily Planet we've gotten in
Speaker 4: a while, if ever. I mean, Laurence Fisherman was good,
Speaker 4: but again not given enough to do.
Speaker 1: No, I think it's fine, Like you know, it's as
Speaker 1: good as any Daily plan on. Ultimately, how much time
Speaker 1: do we really want to spend in the Daily Planet
Speaker 1: in any Superman unless it's Lowis and Clark And we're
Speaker 1: supposed to be spending time at the Daily Planet, right right,
Speaker 1: as long as everyone's kind of cool and doing their
Speaker 1: job and everything great, But let's get out of the
Speaker 1: Daily Planet. See what they see, what they're reporting on.
Speaker 4: Give James gun the opportunity to make a Daily Planet
Speaker 4: TV show. You know, he's champing at the bit. He
Speaker 4: just wants it. Give me more, give me more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably right. They probably will get that.
Speaker 4: Actually, I mean I don't. Here's the question though, is
Speaker 4: any of that a bad thing or Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 4: The MCU. I don't want to have another MCU scenario
Speaker 4: where its you gotta watch all the stuff to understand
Speaker 4: the movies, and I don't think James Gunn would do.
Speaker 4: But that is another concern, is that huge casting of
Speaker 4: the net and expecting everybody to get on board with it.
Speaker 4: It's yo, I don't want to have to watch four
Speaker 4: shows to appreciate your next movie. That's not okay. For
Speaker 4: a cat again, we might be able to do that,
Speaker 4: but for casual fans, that's not a thing that I
Speaker 4: think should be a norm. So that's the well.
Speaker 1: I think even Marvel has learned that lesson. I imagine
Speaker 1: they're gonna start backing wigh the fuck off now with the.
Speaker 4: Moonnight's not going to be an Avengers doomsday. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, speaking of lessons from Marvel, I was really glad
Speaker 3: that the post credit sequences had nothing to set up
Speaker 3: the next movies, unless the unevenness of the building has
Speaker 3: something to do with it. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: They're just having a conversation. So I was really glad
Speaker 3: that it wasn't. Oh and here's how we're gonna reboot
Speaker 3: Batman or here's an email with logos for Aquamans.
Speaker 4: Oh that's a low blow, Michael. Oh could you? Oh
Speaker 4: it's so fun to laugh again, isn't it now that
Speaker 4: we can make fun of their pain because it came
Speaker 4: full circle. They got what they wanted, it sucked, and
Speaker 4: now they're back in their idiot holes where they belong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm hoping. I've been hoping for the success of
Speaker 1: this movie just to shut them fuck up. I didn't
Speaker 1: it did not care what we got as long as
Speaker 1: it was as far from the dour, fucking bleak, just
Speaker 1: muddy looking like uninteresting, like these are gods and we're
Speaker 1: witnessing these gods battling each other, these gods. We're just
Speaker 1: we're not worthy as mortals. Just shut the fuck ups act.
Speaker 4: That's why they don't have any good dialogue. No kalll
Speaker 4: or whatever the fuck Galagados.
Speaker 1: At this point, the character is gonna shoot Lightning. I
Speaker 1: think we should use it, maybe ride the lightning here.
Speaker 1: What do you think on the soundtrack? Do you think
Speaker 1: we can get that?
Speaker 4: Oh? What a boner that guy had for needle drops.
Speaker 4: It's just like, I have the budget of a god,
Speaker 4: so I could just be a fucking child with my
Speaker 4: needle drops. That's the thing in this movie. For all
Speaker 4: of James Gun's needle droppiness in the past, I feel
Speaker 4: like he contains himself here.
Speaker 1: I was shocked.
Speaker 3: I was absolutely shocked. Now he does love to have
Speaker 3: those montage of the hero kicking ass one shot and
Speaker 3: you know it's very yon due with the arrow and Guardians.
Speaker 3: What was that Guardians too?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: When it's zipping all around and killing Taser Face and
Speaker 3: all those guys. That reminded me of that quite a bit.
Speaker 3: But yeah, not the needle drops that we had though.
Speaker 3: I had to say that Lois and Clark's theme every
Speaker 3: time that they would get together and have like their
Speaker 3: little romantic moment, I was just like, well, this music
Speaker 3: sounds a lot like Three Doors Down Kryptonite. Just and
Speaker 3: that guitar coming in, I was just like, Okay, For
Speaker 3: a minute, I was like, is this five for fighting? Superman,
Speaker 3: it's not easy? Or is this three Doors Down Kryptonite?
Speaker 3: And finally I was like, no, this is Kryptonite. But
Speaker 3: I was like, that can't be a coincidence, right, Oh?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 4: As a child, as a child, as a child of
Speaker 4: the nineties who grew up listening to that music, yeah,
Speaker 4: part of me was secretly hoping that it would the
Speaker 4: movie would end original Spider Man style with like with
Speaker 4: a Superman or Kryptoni, one of the two. I was
Speaker 4: just like, they're gonna do it, right, like what, James
Speaker 4: Gun's not gonna miss his opportunity, And he didn't do it.
Speaker 4: I was kind of surprised.
Speaker 3: Oh I know, or that Aram cover of Superman, you know,
Speaker 3: I yeah, I am Superman.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, do it?
Speaker 4: Do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, he totally restrained himself. He ended with fucking
Speaker 1: Teddy Bears punk Rocker, which is just as obscure a
Speaker 1: fucking track as you can possibly get. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know it's iggy pop on the fucking vocal, but like,
Speaker 1: good for him, and that was beautiful. By the way,
Speaker 1: listen here. That's another thing that I wish had been Look,
Speaker 1: I think James Gunn is a good writer as far
Speaker 1: as themes go. I think he's top of the pops
Speaker 1: there when it comes to the themes in his movies
Speaker 1: and setting them up and paying them off. I don't
Speaker 1: know that he knows plot necessarily. I think his jokes
Speaker 1: are generally corny and stale. But I loved the circularity
Speaker 1: of a broken and beaten Superman being soothed by a
Speaker 1: video of his parents and it's jo l and his mom,
Speaker 1: and then at the end they want they're soothing him
Speaker 1: with pictures of mon pop Kent. I loved that. That
Speaker 1: made me fucking cry when that started to happen. And
Speaker 1: that was the only earned moment of me crying in
Speaker 1: this movie, because he tried a few times and he
Speaker 1: did not when those Okay, I just wanted to say that,
Speaker 1: But like, there are a couple of unearned, crowd pleasing moments.
Speaker 1: I thought, like at the start of the war, when
Speaker 1: the little kids are hefting the fucking Superman flag, It's
Speaker 1: like we just dropped into this scene. We're just meeting
Speaker 1: these people. You cannot expect me to stand up in
Speaker 1: a plod right now. I can't cheer you right now, James,
Speaker 1: this is coming out of nowhere. There's so many plots
Speaker 1: and so many different fucking threads going on that how
Speaker 1: am I supposed to be invested at all here? But
Speaker 1: he definitely wanted us to correct well. And when it.
Speaker 3: Comes to war, I mean, is that how we fight wars?
Speaker 3: There's a bunch of people on one side of a
Speaker 3: hill and a bunch of people on another side of
Speaker 3: the hill.
Speaker 1: Is that like he.
Speaker 4: Still all the blood those we do know that people
Speaker 4: will just indeterminately kill civilions. So why is that not
Speaker 4: the Oh? Because Superman can't stop all of that at once.
Speaker 4: Because that's the problem with this as the threat of
Speaker 4: the movie is it somehow has made a threat bigger
Speaker 4: than Superman. So Superman can never get directly involved in
Speaker 4: that war, which is also kind of a cop out
Speaker 4: on James Gun's part because he's involved in the backhand,
Speaker 4: behind the scenes goings on. But because there's no way
Speaker 4: Superman could stick his finger in every barrel of every
Speaker 4: gun fast enough or catch every bullet, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: And that's why it's fought that way because it makes
Speaker 4: no sense. It literally makes no sense. It's a complete contrivance.
Speaker 4: And it like furthers that this movie just in my mind,
Speaker 4: like the plot of this movie is just a mess.
Speaker 4: Is these like huge logical holes that aren't even plot holes.
Speaker 4: It's just like a logical hole that makes no sense.
Speaker 3: And yeah, well, and that's been the complaint about Superman
Speaker 3: for the longest time. It's like, would he stop every
Speaker 3: would he stop every murder? Like could he ever sleep?
Speaker 3: You know, if he's so concerned about human life and
Speaker 3: score life apparently, like would he go out of his
Speaker 3: way to do this all the time? And so with
Speaker 3: this idea of him stopping a war, and I like
Speaker 3: that happened off screen again, kind of going back to
Speaker 3: the beginning with that whole you know, three millennia, three
Speaker 3: hundred years, et cetera, et cetera. Three minutes ago, I
Speaker 3: like that three minutes ago he was defeated by the
Speaker 3: Hammer of or Rovi or whatever this place is. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's interesting to see Superman defeated. That's really interesting, you know.
Speaker 3: And I'm glad it wasn't fucking Doomsday either, thank you.
Speaker 4: But it was just Superman.
Speaker 3: It was just Superman, who I think will become like
Speaker 3: a Bizarro or something. And I know that this character
Speaker 3: Ultraman exists in the comics but I had no idea
Speaker 3: until again my friend explained to me what was.
Speaker 1: Going on, and I don't know.
Speaker 3: I didn't do any homework for this one, guys. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I just watched the movies. I didn't read all the comics,
Speaker 3: watch all the movie you know, the animated films.
Speaker 1: All that kind of stuff. So I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: know who this guy is.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, what the all of the
Speaker 3: ins and outs and what have you of all of
Speaker 3: these references that are going on. I feel like I'm
Speaker 3: kind of done with that too. And it's more like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I get the Marvel stuff just because it's what I
Speaker 3: grew up, and I did not grow up a DC kid,
Speaker 3: so I don't understand a lot.
Speaker 1: Of this stuff. I was a DC kid until until
Speaker 1: I was full on horror, so I have some grounding
Speaker 1: in this. But as far as any of the recent
Speaker 1: stuff like All Star Superman or you know, some of
Speaker 1: the stuff that James Gunn has been drawing on, no idea.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, at plenty of my friends
Speaker 1: who are still in the trenches reading Superman and reading
Speaker 1: DC have assured me that like, oh yeah, he took
Speaker 1: this from here and this from that, and this from
Speaker 1: this and this from that, which is great because what
Speaker 1: that means to me is we've got somebody in charge
Speaker 1: who's an actual fucking comic book. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, whether or not the quality of it is good,
Speaker 1: you at least know somebody's got someone's minding the star
Speaker 1: as far as the continuity with everything, even if they're
Speaker 1: not pushing it on us, which he didn't seem to
Speaker 1: do too heavy here.
Speaker 4: I well, you know our friend Richard HadAM, who was
Speaker 4: the EP of Titans, which was dce EU. I think
Speaker 4: he had mentioned that, you know, some of the people
Speaker 4: in the writer's room for that show weren't fans of
Speaker 4: comic books. And I think to your point, father Malone,
Speaker 4: like there needs to be a balance. There needs to
Speaker 4: be people that do love the comic books and are
Speaker 4: like you know, like completely just involved in the lore
Speaker 4: and they can tell you a front to back. But
Speaker 4: then you do need other people to temper that with
Speaker 4: some kind of other expectations of things for the commonplace
Speaker 4: person to watch a show and engage with it, because
Speaker 4: you can't make a movie or a TV show like
Speaker 4: this and alienate large swaths of the audience. Frankly, they're
Speaker 4: making this would be the way that they made it
Speaker 4: to try and not alienate the audience. That was the
Speaker 4: intent of this is to bring in as many people
Speaker 4: as possible and to treat the audience like they're not
Speaker 4: fucking idiots for ones. I mean again, we don't need
Speaker 4: an origin story for effectively. And this is the crazy part.
Speaker 4: The second most popular superhero because the first most popular
Speaker 4: superhero is spider Man. It ain't Superman. Spider Man is
Speaker 4: the most popular superhero period like that is I mean
Speaker 4: unequivocally the case. Superman's probably second, maybe third, I don't know,
Speaker 4: but spider Man's the number one, which is why they
Speaker 4: didn't do spider Man's origin story either. But that then
Speaker 4: leaves a problem of if you're not gonna do the
Speaker 4: origin story, what do you do? And to your point,
Speaker 4: Father Malone, about All Star Superman, the tone of this
Speaker 4: movie is All Star Superman like, maybe not identical, but
Speaker 4: I'm sure your friends who read it a lot, because
Speaker 4: also Superman is something I have read recently. The tone
Speaker 4: of this movie is very much in that ballpark, and
Speaker 4: it's very like elevated, not futuristic, but kind of like
Speaker 4: in this weird like elevated futurism, but then the tone
Speaker 4: of Superman and Superman's a little weaker, He's more of
Speaker 4: a human, less of an alien, which again this movie
Speaker 4: is kind of part of it is showing that this
Speaker 4: is a not weaker Superman, but a less strong Superman,
Speaker 4: which is more interesting because again, like we've already all
Speaker 4: alluded to, well, what do you do with a character
Speaker 4: that can do everything theoretically?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that becomes a problem. That becomes your first season
Speaker 3: of Lost. We're not lost, that becomes your first season
Speaker 3: of Heroes where you've got you know, the Skylar and
Speaker 3: the Peter Petrelli and they basically are invincible and you
Speaker 3: have no way of ending that. You know, just like
Speaker 3: what the hell we're going to do? And then we
Speaker 3: just have to kind of look the other way for
Speaker 3: the rest of the series. And it's like okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: like that is a problem, having an ultra powered person
Speaker 3: who only has one weakness and you have to find
Speaker 3: that excuse to get that weakness. Now. I did like
Speaker 3: how they had the Kryptonite in this. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if I really cared for the whole Martian baby, who
Speaker 3: I kept thinking was like a young breeniac from the
Speaker 3: look of him. And then what did they just hire
Speaker 3: a guy to sit in that cage with the baby
Speaker 3: and like wave his arm whenever he needed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kept thinking like, I can't wait. I would
Speaker 1: like to like jump ahead in time and see that
Speaker 1: kid at like ten, and the guy's still there, but
Speaker 1: like they're friends now, and across the cube they're waving
Speaker 1: to Dad and Superman still like withered in on the ground, gasping,
Speaker 1: but like giving a thumbs up for Oh, the kids
Speaker 1: really made an achievement there.
Speaker 4: Thank you home schooling him now, thank you for that
Speaker 4: bottom loan. I thought the same thing. I was like,
Speaker 4: how fucking contrived. That's I was saying, like, this is
Speaker 4: the most contrived way of keeping Superman hosted, so unbelievably contrived.
Speaker 3: I'd like the whole idea of this prison, this private
Speaker 3: prison that he has in his pocket universe with all
Speaker 3: of the people that wronged him in some way, but
Speaker 3: I kind of wish that there had been more of
Speaker 3: it and more of who are these people in these
Speaker 3: other box So it's just even just like quick one
Speaker 3: liner kind of things of like who these folks are?
Speaker 3: The whole thing of them rabbing that poor guy that
Speaker 3: gave Superman a fullaful and shooting him. I was like,
Speaker 3: what are we doing here? Like when they face recognize
Speaker 3: this guy, I was like, is he like a fucking
Speaker 3: terrorist or something like? Why is he so important to
Speaker 3: the story? Only for him to come back and get
Speaker 3: shot in the head for a guess giving Superman solace?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, you're gonna start there, why don't you
Speaker 3: start with a much bigger target.
Speaker 1: I think he was hoping that Superman wouldn't give it
Speaker 1: up and that he would get to kill him and
Speaker 1: then everyone in the and the surrounding cubes would be
Speaker 1: reminded exactly how serious Lex Luthor was. I think that
Speaker 1: man whoever was coming with him was going to die
Speaker 1: and he didn't want information then anyway, That's what I would.
Speaker 4: Say, Yeah, I mean, that's the version of Lex.
Speaker 1: That was fucked up. This is the only time I've
Speaker 1: ever found Lex Luthor to be formidable and frightening. I've
Speaker 1: liked the performance the.
Speaker 3: Way you mean him eating jollying Ranus and flipping people
Speaker 3: in the head and going the bell cannot be unwrung.
Speaker 3: That wasn't doing it for.
Speaker 1: You, That that sadly did not, nor did fellow creep
Speaker 1: azoid Kevin Spacey fucking sleezing it up through that fucking
Speaker 1: horrendous movie.
Speaker 4: It's a good reaction. It's a good reaction. Gift though.
Speaker 4: It really is.
Speaker 3: Him with that stupid little Adam Rich looking kid.
Speaker 4: Him in his bald cap. At least Nicholas Holt shaved his.
Speaker 1: Head likes before him. Really only two excellent portrayals of
Speaker 1: Lex Luthor. That's Michael Rosenbaum and now Nicholas Holt in
Speaker 1: my face. Everybody loves fucking you know, Gene Hackman and
Speaker 1: that he was great for that time. But you know
Speaker 1: he's okay. John Cryer Luthor, he was okay, he was okay.
Speaker 3: I mean John Cryer as Lex Luthor's nephew.
Speaker 4: What about it?
Speaker 1: The dude, it's steel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was awesome. The creation of souldar Man, Come.
Speaker 1: On, nuclear Man, sir, Nuclear Man voice by GANE. Hackman.
Speaker 4: Why was it? The real question is why wasn't there
Speaker 4: some sort of cameo or nod back to Richard? What
Speaker 4: is it? Richard Pryor in the fourth one?
Speaker 1: Third one?
Speaker 4: Yeah, third one is the third one? Yeah? God, yes, yeah, Jesus,
Speaker 4: Richard Pryor everybody can't find a good movie role to
Speaker 4: save his life.
Speaker 3: We've gone down some bad paths with Superman, just in
Speaker 3: those first three really have.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's the thing, like people my age really
Speaker 4: only know like about Snyder's stuff, like those. I only
Speaker 4: watched the first two Superman movies. I didn't watch three
Speaker 4: and four, Like I know they have a reputation, like
Speaker 4: they have a reputation, Like I wasn't interested.
Speaker 1: Part three has one good scene, which is Christopher Eve
Speaker 1: separates himself between Clark Kent and a really a grizzled
Speaker 1: and angry Superman and they do get out in a
Speaker 1: fucking junkyard and it's awesome beginning to end. I'd watch
Speaker 1: it for that, but nothing YouTube that shit, I will.
Speaker 4: But my point being like people my age, I mean,
Speaker 4: I know people that like Man of Steel like unronically.
Speaker 4: You know, I know, it's whatever, it's your choice, you
Speaker 4: want to like dowur and boring and bland and meaningless. Fine,
Speaker 4: but I'm so glad that somebody has said, like Superman
Speaker 4: can be a hopeful character again and not be just
Speaker 4: kind of depressing and sad, because look, I mean Captain
Speaker 4: America is Superman's Captain America. That's like the kind of
Speaker 4: analog to Marvel Is. They're like they're all that is
Speaker 4: good in everything, Like Chris Evans as Captain America. Like
Speaker 4: if you saw Chris Evans, if you were broken down
Speaker 4: on the side of the road and Chris Evans drove
Speaker 4: by in his motorcycle and didn't stop and help you,
Speaker 4: you'd be surprised because he's fucking Captain America and that's
Speaker 4: like what he stands for and as that role that
Speaker 4: he's taken on, Like that's kind of the expectation. Now,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm you know, it brought that back.
Speaker 1: I would expect Steve Rodgers to pick to stop for me.
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting Chris Evans.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you know what I mean. Like
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about the actual Chris ems but the
Speaker 4: concept of the character is portrayed.
Speaker 1: I will say this, I'm skeptical of every new actor
Speaker 1: that they cast as Superman, and it takes a lot
Speaker 1: to convince me if they're any good at all. And
Speaker 1: very early into this movie, I bought this guy hook
Speaker 1: line and sinker in fact that this is what actually
Speaker 1: made me hopeful for it is that growing up when
Speaker 1: I was five years old, we were given the gift
Speaker 1: of the perfect Superman in Christopher Reeve. It's just like
Speaker 1: he was grown in a lab, like they said, make
Speaker 1: a Superman and here he was. So Seeing this guy
Speaker 1: and how charming and thoughtful he is in this part
Speaker 1: made me really happy for kids coming into this character.
Speaker 1: Through this bit of entertainment.
Speaker 4: And his interviews that he did for the movie where
Speaker 4: he talks about actually being excited to portray Superman and
Speaker 4: he's not bummed that might be the only role he
Speaker 4: ever has and that might be the role he's known for.
Speaker 4: Like again, I go back to Daniel Craig with the
Speaker 4: whole James Bond thing, Like Daniel Craig literally said, I
Speaker 4: would slit my own wrists if they asked me to
Speaker 4: play James Bond.
Speaker 1: You know what, Ultimately, who gives a shit what the
Speaker 1: actor has to say. I'm talking about kids fucking interacting
Speaker 1: with the character of Superman here like it, and that's what.
Speaker 4: But that's my point, Like I think he is already
Speaker 4: a good arbiter for that because the way he approaches
Speaker 4: the role is I am excited to portray a role
Speaker 4: that will cause me to be hounded by kids.
Speaker 1: You do you think Daniel Craig's performance was lacking in
Speaker 1: the James Bond movies. For having said that, do you
Speaker 1: think he put in less of a performance.
Speaker 3: There are times where he seems tired in.
Speaker 4: The last movie and the last movie, I would say
Speaker 4: there are moments where he seems disengaged and disinterested. But
Speaker 4: the last movie, the one that came after the statement.
Speaker 4: He made that statement only before No Time to Die.
Speaker 4: He didn't make it before anything else. That would be
Speaker 4: the only time I would say I have other issues
Speaker 4: with those other James Bond movies. That last movie. Yes,
Speaker 4: there are moments in that movie where he seems disengaged
Speaker 4: and disinterested. And maybe that's not his fault, maybe that's
Speaker 4: the movie's fault. But I'm only viewing it through the
Speaker 4: lens of a person who I recently just rewatched that
Speaker 4: movie even and I felt that through multiple scenes in
Speaker 4: that movie that he's not engaged. But again, that's five
Speaker 4: movies in, and he made his intentions clear to the
Speaker 4: people he was making the movie with, I don't want
Speaker 4: to do this again, and they were like, well, we
Speaker 4: want you to do it again. So here you go.
Speaker 4: So yes, but not as much as you might have
Speaker 4: thought given what my answer was.
Speaker 1: I'll agree with I'll be retired. I don't think about
Speaker 1: I don't think he was disengaged. I think that's actually it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you about Christopher Reeven. I have
Speaker 3: just amazed that we almost got Rich Hall instead. And
Speaker 3: thank god he's got so close.
Speaker 1: If that bullet, if you had just fucking practiced before that.
Speaker 3: Oh no, he got the bullet. He had a dial
Speaker 3: soap call back.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. It was Kroger who got the who
Speaker 1: took the bullet?
Speaker 3: Yes, face right, Yeah, that can't claw.
Speaker 2: He has a.
Speaker 4: Gun stand mc laysh, I'll protect you. Very nice work.
Speaker 4: Where did you train New York Stellar Havler? Very good? Okay, Corey,
Speaker 4: let's try the same lines as Action Cat o'clock. He
Speaker 4: has a gun stand back loss, I'll protect you. Okay,
Speaker 4: we've an narrowed it down to YouTube.
Speaker 1: I love that skits to me too. It's one of
Speaker 1: the best of that era.
Speaker 4: I don't think Henry Cavill was a bad superman. I
Speaker 4: just don't think those were good movies. No, correct, I
Speaker 4: mean again, my feelings on him being Dow and all
Speaker 4: that aside, Like Denry Cavill was a great Superman, but again,
Speaker 4: those movies didn't help This movie I think helps give
Speaker 4: the care of Superman more for a certain like you said,
Speaker 4: father Blah, a certain age of audience to engage with
Speaker 4: the character in a positive way that will make kids
Speaker 4: re engage with Superman the way that they really haven't
Speaker 4: been again, like market think stuff has really been how
Speaker 4: kids have engaged with superheroes for the longest time.
Speaker 1: I think had they you know, if they were able
Speaker 1: to cast twenty five year old Henry Cavill in this
Speaker 1: role in this movie, he too would have given me
Speaker 1: the same fucking feeling. It's just that he drew the
Speaker 1: fucking short straw man. He ended up in the wrong universe.
Speaker 3: Same thing with Brandon routh Man. I will defend Brandon
Speaker 3: routh to the day I die. I think he could
Speaker 3: have been a great Superman, but he was in a
Speaker 3: shit movie.
Speaker 1: Today. I think, really the only shitty Superman this is
Speaker 1: nothing political. It's been Dean Kane, like he just seemed
Speaker 1: like a blunkhead. Like are there others that weren't great?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I started watching that Superman TV show
Speaker 3: that they had a few months ago and just really
Speaker 3: didn't get into it. Also, for whatever reason, my wife
Speaker 3: is into the character of Superman, and I think it
Speaker 3: really comes from this whole thing of he's too perfect
Speaker 3: and he only has the one weakness. He's you know,
Speaker 3: people describe as an over grown boy scout and I
Speaker 3: can I ned to see that, and she likes more
Speaker 3: of a flawed hero, I think, And for me, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I like this guy, and I like his struggles that
Speaker 3: he has even though he is so perfect.
Speaker 4: And Tom Welling is good in Smallville, but that's Clark Kent.
Speaker 4: I mean that's I mean again, you want to talk
Speaker 4: about it being Superman, fine, I mean it is Superman,
Speaker 4: but it's it's yeah.
Speaker 1: We never saw Tom Welling Superman, honestly.
Speaker 4: No. Well, I mean you see the thing with John
Speaker 4: Cryer way later. But again, then he's given my powers
Speaker 4: up and it's like, okay.
Speaker 1: Fuck us, that shit didn't count. Rosenbaum wasn't there, so
Speaker 1: that fucking whole special did not count.
Speaker 4: That's true. And to your point, if Michael Rosenbaum gets
Speaker 4: mentioned in the conversation for Lex Luthor, which obviously he does,
Speaker 4: because he's amazing. Then I think Tom Welling gets mentioned
Speaker 4: for playing Clark Kent, but I think for Superman. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I think probably the least. I don't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Dean Kin's not great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember watching some of that show just because
Speaker 3: Terry Hatcher was in it, and wasn't Mark Hamblin there
Speaker 3: as well?
Speaker 1: He was. You know, I actually had a friend who
Speaker 1: was cast on that show, Lucy Lane, so I got
Speaker 1: to go to some of the sort of early meetings
Speaker 1: for Lois and Clark, And even then you could tell
Speaker 1: Dean Kane was a fucking maron.
Speaker 4: But he was a great host of Ripley's Believe it
Speaker 4: or not all, Yeah, just read off the teleprompter. Dean
Speaker 4: just read off the goddamn teleprompe.
Speaker 1: You just look at him and go, no, I don't believe.
Speaker 4: It, no belief there. Yeah, he's like the anti Jonathan Frakes. God,
Speaker 4: I am so hopeful for whatever comes next. And I
Speaker 4: don't think that any one of us could characterize our
Speaker 4: feelings as hopeful after Batman versus Superman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean, or me after Man of Steele. No,
Speaker 1: you know, not for a long time. Cinematically have I
Speaker 1: been hopeful for the dc and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the DC broadly, even not just Superman.
Speaker 1: No, man, that's what this is actually exciting now. And
Speaker 1: you know, look, I think there were problems with this script. Nevertheless,
Speaker 1: it was a completed script. And I know James Gunn
Speaker 1: has been banging the fucking drum that we're not making
Speaker 1: a movie until the movie's ready to go. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna start a fucking movie and go, we'll fucking write
Speaker 1: it on the way. Thank you for doing that, sir.
Speaker 1: No matter where we go from now, and the slate
Speaker 1: of ones that they've been green lighting have been unusual,
Speaker 1: to say the least. So we're getting a Clayface movie
Speaker 1: long before we're getting a Batman movie. That's interesting our
Speaker 1: body horror movie, mind you, Claire, verify that because that's
Speaker 1: the fucking crazy part. Hey man, right on, and you
Speaker 1: know what we're getting Karazrel, she's getting her own fucking movie. Obviously,
Speaker 1: it's her dog. So if you love that dog, go
Speaker 1: watch that one. You're gonna get a whole lot of
Speaker 1: that dog and partnered up with Lobo. I love that
Speaker 1: someone some filmmaker here at the DCU figured out that
Speaker 1: it is Superman is automatically a cosmic book. It's automatically
Speaker 1: a cosmic title. You can throw any alien at him.
Speaker 1: He is an alien himself. So yeah, let's get Lobo
Speaker 1: in here already. Let's you know, let's do it up.
Speaker 4: And you know what think for as I don't know
Speaker 4: if Jason Momoa is poorly cast, but.
Speaker 1: I will he is not poorly cast.
Speaker 4: And not for Lobo. I'm talking about for Aquaman previously,
Speaker 4: because this is a Chris Evans situation. Once again, having
Speaker 4: seen it again, you might laugh. Jason Momoa in the
Speaker 4: Minecraft move was He was really good in the Minecraft movie,
Speaker 4: and the same way Dwayne Johnson was really good in Jumanji,
Speaker 4: where he was having to play like a very specific
Speaker 4: kind of character to react to a bunch of other characters.
Speaker 4: He was very funny in a way I hadn't seen
Speaker 4: before with Jason Momoa, because for the most part, I
Speaker 4: find Jason momoas what he brings to Aquaman is just fine.
Speaker 4: He's a surfer bro, we get it. I'm excited to
Speaker 4: see where they take that character with they engage Jason
Speaker 4: Momoa in that direction, leaning into who I think Jason
Speaker 4: Momoa probably is in real life because apparently. Jason Momoa
Speaker 4: just texted James Gunn like immediately once it was announced
Speaker 4: that James Gunn was taking over the DCU, and he
Speaker 4: was like, I'm playing Lobo, like essentially more or less
Speaker 4: was the interaction. So I can't wait for that personally
Speaker 4: at this point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm here for it. I'm here for what gun
Speaker 3: brings to this party. I'm excited to see what else
Speaker 3: he's going to be doing, and I'm glad that we're
Speaker 3: getting some of these unusual things. I mean, the whole
Speaker 3: thing going all the way back to Guardians of the Galaxy.
Speaker 3: So many of these characters, i mean, just the Guardians
Speaker 3: of the Galaxy themselves weren't known to a lot of people,
Speaker 3: and he just kind of had free reign when it
Speaker 3: came to this new toy box that he had.
Speaker 1: It was fantastic.
Speaker 3: Now, the second and third movies maybe not my favorite,
Speaker 3: but that first one I thought was great. And I
Speaker 3: hope this is not a case of diminishing returns as
Speaker 3: we go forward with the rest of these DCU movies.
Speaker 3: But I'm still excited right now. I want to see
Speaker 3: what else this guy does for us.
Speaker 4: And I've seen people talking about the super Girl cameo
Speaker 4: at the end of the movie and how it's kind
Speaker 4: of strange and tonally and consistent with the rest of
Speaker 4: the movie. Okay, then that movie doesn't have to be
Speaker 4: this movie, and she's clearly going to be a very
Speaker 4: different kind of character, which is fine. I really like
Speaker 4: Millie Alcock too from Game of Thrones House of the Dragon.
Speaker 4: She was fantastic, So if she's the one playing Supergirl,
Speaker 4: I'm all for it. But I've seen people complaining it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, the thing that I'm most excited for is
Speaker 4: it seems that James Gunn is actually gonna do what
Speaker 4: Marvel didn't do and let the movies be their own
Speaker 4: fucking things, which is fine because they don't all have
Speaker 4: to be Joss Whedon beat joke in front of a
Speaker 4: serious moment, because that's what all the Marvel movies have
Speaker 4: become now, were like tonally, they're all Joss Whedon movie
Speaker 4: and that should never have been the case because Marvel,
Speaker 4: like DC, has a wide and diverse array of characters
Speaker 4: like Father Malone already alluded to Clayface and a woman
Speaker 4: who's a hawk and an alien who can read people's
Speaker 4: minds and all sorts of wild shit. They don't all
Speaker 4: need to be tonally the same. And I'm glad that
Speaker 4: James Gunn is seemingly allowing the filmmakers who are getting
Speaker 4: involved in the project that he is working on to
Speaker 4: have their own voice. Which Marvel took like twenty plus
Speaker 4: movies because yes, they cast Kenneth Brona as the director
Speaker 4: of the original Thor but I say cast is the
Speaker 4: director because Kenneth Brona's talents were not being put to
Speaker 4: good use in early Marvel stuff because they were not
Speaker 4: letting anybody do anything. And I understand why. But I'm
Speaker 4: glad that DC and James Gunn are being given a
Speaker 4: little They're giving the others involved a little bit more
Speaker 4: free reign to do their own thing, because I think
Speaker 4: that should yield a much more interesting set of films
Speaker 4: moving forward.
Speaker 3: I think else we want to talk about Superman, gentlemen.
Speaker 4: No, we had good things to say about it. DC
Speaker 4: movie for once, Isn't that weird?
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