WEBVTT 1 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:03.359 Welcome back midnight viewers to Midnight Viewing. Now, ordinarily this 2 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:05.319 would have been follow Malone's Weekly round Up. In fact, 3 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:08.000 I promised you a follow Malone's weekly round up covering 4 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:12.519 the Sandman television series, which just returned on Netflix. But 5 00:01:13.079 --> 00:01:15.200 I was going to fold it into what's going to 6 00:01:15.280 --> 00:01:17.799 follow on this, which is a review of Superman I 7 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:20.400 did as a crossover with the Projection Booth and the 8 00:01:20.640 --> 00:01:24.439 Culture Cast. Sandman is proving to be quite unwieldy and 9 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:29.200 really worthy of its own episode, So postponed it'll be 10 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:31.120 on next week. Trust me, it'll be worth it. So 11 00:01:31.159 --> 00:01:34.680 what follows is our look at Superman. Hope you enjoy it. 12 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:50.159 Superman, the most powerful being on planet Earth. 13 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:55.400 We finally meet. 14 00:01:57.159 --> 00:01:58.280 Now as planned. 15 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:08.879 I'll destroy you, and of course that reporter you always 16 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:09.719 do interviews with. 17 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:13.439 Who raised you as a child. 18 00:02:14.560 --> 00:02:36.960 I'll kill them too. No matter what you do to me, Luthor, 19 00:02:39.360 --> 00:02:45.159 your plans will work. Wrap it up. Good luck with that. 20 00:02:54.039 --> 00:03:12.280 Nicko. They chose him. 21 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:17.360 Let them die. 22 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.039 Hi, quit messing around. 23 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:22.120 I'm not messing around. 24 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:31.759 I'm doing important stuff. Hey, buddy, Hi's up here. 25 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:43.240 Welcome to a special crossover episode of Midnight Viewing. The 26 00:03:43.280 --> 00:03:46.039 Culture Cast and the Projection Booth. I'm you, Elspike quite 27 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:47.000 join me once again? 28 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:49.919 Is Father Malone look up in the sky? 29 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:52.919 Also joining us is mister Chris Statue. 30 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:55.960 If I call you bitch, does that make me super Girl? 31 00:03:56.560 --> 00:03:59.960 We are gathered to discuss the twenty twenty five film 32 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:04.719 from writer director Ed Hanco of DC James Gunn. It's 33 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:07.039 the story. Well, I'm just going to actually reuse the 34 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:09.560 intro I use back in twenty twenty one for Superman 35 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:13.919 the Movie. The film stars David korn Sweat a sweat, Yeah, 36 00:04:14.039 --> 00:04:17.519 corn sweat or sweat yep, Koran Sweat as the titular 37 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.519 Man of Steel. It's neither bird nor playing, but a 38 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:23.160 story of a man whose father gave has only begotten 39 00:04:23.199 --> 00:04:25.720 son for the people of Earth, and his prevails in 40 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:29.680 the mortal realm will be He's out the truth, Jesus, 41 00:04:29.720 --> 00:04:32.000 He's out to fight for truth justice in the American 42 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:35.279 way by foiling an elaborate Well, it's not really a 43 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:39.240 real estate scam, but I guess maybe it is. Whatever 44 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:42.519 it is, it's set up by Lex Luthor played by 45 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:45.680 Nicholas Holt. I'm not sure if it's possible to spoil 46 00:04:45.720 --> 00:04:47.480 this film, but we are going to try. So if 47 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:49.920 you haven't seen Superman, please turn off the podcast and 48 00:04:49.920 --> 00:04:50.920 come back after you have. 49 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:54.240 We will still be here. So Chris as. 50 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:56.879 The youngest one. As the youngest one here, what is 51 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:59.199 your history with Superman and his various forms? 52 00:04:59.240 --> 00:04:59.439 Sir? 53 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:06.240 Wow out me immediately. So I I had seen Superman 54 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:10.480 Returns in theaters when it came out, which, as I'm 55 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:14.519 sure we all remember, was such a filmic experience that 56 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:18.160 they followed it up with nothing for a very long time. 57 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:21.560 I then proceeded to avoid like the Plague, which of 58 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:26.399 people apparently people don't mind not having anymore, the Man 59 00:05:26.399 --> 00:05:30.040 of Steel, which was primarily motivated by the fact that 60 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:33.720 it was directed by Zack Snyder, who Yeah, I liked 61 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:37.240 Yojimbo or is it seven Samurai when it wasn't five 62 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:39.800 hours long? With Rebel Moon or all of the other 63 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:44.600 extended horseshit that Zack Snyder throws up on the screen, 64 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:47.240 like that Justice League that we talked about so many 65 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:51.199 moons ago. So my experience with Superman was about that. 66 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:55.360 I went into the new movie having watched the old 67 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:58.800 movies to prepare for the new movie. Not having been 68 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:02.240 a child of those movies. Not having been a child 69 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:05.519 of the Chris Reeves Superman again, that is where we are. 70 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.720 Probably at least one or two of us are different 71 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:10.680 in that regard because when I was growing up, I 72 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:13.959 did not watch Superman. I watched those Batman movies, and 73 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:16.759 by those, I mean the one because, as Father Malone knows, 74 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:20.160 we just I just recently watched Batman Returns for the 75 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:24.879 first time last year, so I was more exposed to 76 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:30.560 other DC properties early on, not so much Superman. And 77 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:36.240 then you know, post Batman or Superman Returns again, I've 78 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:40.120 seen Superman in things, but more or less against my 79 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:42.199 will is kind of what it feels like with Batman 80 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:46.199 versus Superman. Justice League movies. I unequivocally had no interest 81 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:50.000 in covering, but covered because somebody's gonna want to hear 82 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:51.879 us say something about it at some point, so it 83 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:53.480 might as well be as soon as it comes out. 84 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:56.720 But that's my history with Superman. So I am coming 85 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:01.639 into this with no expectations. It's really the only expectation 86 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:03.639 I had going into this movie was it actually kind 87 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:07.319 of looked good like the guy who plays Superman, David Corning. 88 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:10.920 Sweat actually feels like a hopeful version of Superman, not 89 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:15.240 like this dour, sad, muscle bound guy who seems like 90 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:17.959 he couldn't be less interested in playing Superman if you tried, 91 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:21.079 kind of like Daniel Craig with James Bond, It's like, 92 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:23.639 we get it, you don't like it. Everybody else would 93 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:25.879 love to play this role, but you fucking hate it. 94 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:29.120 Fun So I didn't get that in the trailers, and 95 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:31.800 I didn't watch the trailers for this movie, which I'm 96 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:33.920 trying to follow your lead in that regard, Mike, because 97 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:36.680 you tend to not watch trailers for stuff, and I 98 00:07:36.759 --> 00:07:39.240 will say the trailers for this movie didn't spoil anything either, 99 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:43.120 So there was also that. But that's my experience with Superman. 100 00:07:43.199 --> 00:07:45.839 So I'm probably the least exposed of the three of 101 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:50.079 us in terms of Superman and Superman knowledge. What about you, 102 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:51.040 father Malone. 103 00:07:51.240 --> 00:07:55.079 Well, when I was a kid, there were no DC properties, 104 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:57.800 There were no comic book properties at all. The first 105 00:07:57.800 --> 00:08:00.879 comic book character I saw in the BIGC was Christopher 106 00:08:00.879 --> 00:08:03.680 Reeve Superman in nineteen seventy eight. I was five years old. 107 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:06.519 I'm sure Mike you had a similar story. So it 108 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:09.879 was that and then Superman two, and then three and 109 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:14.399 then four. I've seen every cinematic Superman on screen since 110 00:08:14.439 --> 00:08:19.519 he's been making flicks to greater and lesser interest and success. 111 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:23.040 I'd say those movies pretty much for me, the last 112 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:25.319 good Superman movie was Superman two. It might be the 113 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:29.240 only actual good Superman movie because everything else has been 114 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:31.839 diminishing Returns as far as I could tell, what's his name, 115 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:36.879 Brian fucking Singer with his horrible like attempt to sequelize 116 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:39.639 what was already sequalized. You calm down, young man. 117 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:44.639 Oh right, that's right. Superman Returns was technically a sequel 118 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:45.919 to what Superman four. 119 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:48.440 Superman More, Superman two? 120 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:51.519 Yeah, two, okay, and four Okay. I was trying to 121 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:54.000 remember if it was the we cut out, we cut 122 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:56.759 a movie out scenario or not. That was a very 123 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:58.600 early example of that too, by the way. 124 00:08:58.879 --> 00:09:01.080 Well, and that's on the heel of us not getting 125 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.559 the Tim Burton Superman movie that we'd all been the 126 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:07.759 salivating over during the nineties and then, God damn, I 127 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:09.559 kind of disagree with you. I think Henry cavill I 128 00:09:09.600 --> 00:09:11.720 don't think he was disinterested in playing that character. I 129 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:13.320 think he wanted to play that character. I just think 130 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:16.200 he was given the fucking most dour universe ever to 131 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:18.840 be Superman in and who would want to play that 132 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.879 version of Superman? Anyone to want to play this one? 133 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:26.080 But I hated those movies. You know, I've said it before. 134 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:29.279 Zack Snyder has read two comic books, Dark Knight Returns 135 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:32.600 and Watchman, and that's it. And he didn't understand Watchman, 136 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:34.480 so he should not. 137 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:38.320 Have understood that Watchman was visually compelling. What's about it? 138 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:40.120 That's it, that's. 139 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:43.919 It, right, he gets surface things. That's why he used 140 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:46.480 every music cue from the book in there. That's why 141 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:49.240 he put fucking sounds of silence in there because he 142 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:52.720 heard it in another movie. It's like, anyway, we are 143 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:57.679 not here to discuss Zack Snyder. Mercifully his reign is 144 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.360 over and all of his fanboys can shut up. Fuck 145 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:04.440 up now, because I've really enjoyed this new Superman. I thoroughly. 146 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:06.919 I had a good time. Honestly, I have a lot 147 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:11.039 of fucking problems. Nevertheless, this was such a promising step 148 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:14.519 in the right direction. How about you, Miguel, Yeah. 149 00:10:14.519 --> 00:10:18.399 Very similar story. I think I have seen every Superman 150 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:21.840 since seventy eight. I mean, I didn't watch you know, 151 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.200 Superman versus the Molement or any of those. 152 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:26.720 But as far as I saw those in the theater, 153 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:28.799 I was a kid. When I was a kid, there 154 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:30.639 was a theater that was a revival house that used 155 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:32.840 to show cereals. So I saw the Batman Sirius and 156 00:10:32.879 --> 00:10:33.519 the Superman serio. 157 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:37.200 Sorry, no, no problem. Something good to brag about, definitely, 158 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:40.039 And yeah, I really well, I can't say I had 159 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:42.320 a lot of hopes pinned to the two thousand and 160 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:46.399 six Superman returns. I liked hearing the music cues. My 161 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:49.960 friend Micah Thompson was recalling, you know, oh yeah, when 162 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:53.600 we saw that trailer, we were just so happy about it. 163 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:56.000 And he said, but what if they didn't use the music, 164 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.639 what if they didn't use John Williams's score, would we 165 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:02.360 have still felt the same? Probably not. And they were 166 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:07.039 going all out using footage of Marlon Brando. Really they 167 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:10.320 were also using the same lines from the earlier films. 168 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:13.639 I'm just like, why would he still be saying these 169 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.679 things We've already heard him say to miss Lane that 170 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:20.679 you know, traveling is statistically still the safest way to fly. 171 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:23.559 It just felt I like Brandon Routh, and I felt 172 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:25.919 like kind of like Henry Cavill, he just got shoved 173 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:29.559 into a shit movie. And I mean, I'm not a 174 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:32.200 big fan of Scott Pilgrims Versus the World or Saves 175 00:11:32.200 --> 00:11:34.799 the World or whatever it is, but Ralth really kind 176 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:38.000 of redeemed himself in that movie for me. But man, 177 00:11:38.080 --> 00:11:40.279 oh man, that was just such a letdown. And then 178 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:44.120 every Zack Snyder influenced thing. I mean, the only time 179 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.000 I think I saw Henry Cavill's smile was maybe in 180 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:49.360 his little cameo in the Shazam movie. 181 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:50.879 But holy shit. 182 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:55.480 But yeah, this one, it's definitely a James gun film. 183 00:11:55.720 --> 00:11:59.840 It felt so James Gunn. It was more James gun 184 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:01.639 than James Gunn. Could James Gunn at this. 185 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:03.159 Point you really think so? 186 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:04.799 Oh please? 187 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:07.159 I mean, James gun was holding himself back. 188 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:09.120 Oh no, I disagree. 189 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:11.320 I didn't realize we were giving our thoughts on the 190 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:13.480 movie either, because I didn't give mine. I thought this 191 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:17.399 movie was a step in the right direction. But just 192 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:19.879 as your foot was landing, you tripped a little bit, 193 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:23.960 just ever so slightly. It wasn't a full landing, because. 194 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:27.960 It was I will say that I enjoyed this movie absolutely. 195 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:28.759 I had a lot of. 196 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.799 Fun with it, just sometimes the James gunness of it 197 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:34.000 got in the way a little bit. When it came 198 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:36.759 to like Crypto, I was like, okay, yeah, I remember 199 00:12:36.759 --> 00:12:39.519 the dog from Guardians to the Galaxy three and the 200 00:12:39.559 --> 00:12:41.840 way that he would back and forth with Sean Gunn 201 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:45.360 and all that, and just yeah, the Crypto felt so 202 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:49.679 Rocket Raccoon meets whatever. I can't remember the name of 203 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:52.000 the dog from the third Guardians film, who was also 204 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:54.759 I believe in the special Christmas special. 205 00:12:55.200 --> 00:12:58.159 I we're talking about Cosmo, And yeah, James Gunn has 206 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:00.720 had a fixation with dogs and all all of his movies. 207 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:04.159 That's fine, and now it's his dog as his dog 208 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:07.200 now as an old Superman fan, look, I didn't think 209 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:10.759 we were ever getting Crypto, and honestly I didn't want Crypto, 210 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:13.879 so no one was as shocked as me. The Crypto 211 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:17.759 was as well presented as he is, like. He was 212 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:23.279 very fun for about twenty minutes, and then I was like, Okay, yep, okay, 213 00:13:23.320 --> 00:13:25.919 Crypto again, let's put him here again. At the end. 214 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.759 Net dude, we get it. You love fucking dogs. We 215 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:31.519 all love dogs. I love Superman. That's the fucking movie. 216 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:32.080 I came for. 217 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.600 I didn't mind Crypto. I thought he was cute and everything, 218 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:37.919 but he was just I kind of wish there was 219 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:41.080 a real dog mixed in with the CGI version of 220 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:42.879 the dog. I don't know if there really was a 221 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:46.080 dog that was used in this film at all. It 222 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:49.159 just felt like pure CGI the whole way through, and. 223 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:53.679 The dog is based off of James Gunn's real dog. Okay, good, Yeah, 224 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.200 like literally, yeah, like that's he's I kept seeing my 225 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:59.360 own dog and all the promotional stuff. It's like, all right, 226 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:00.960 James gun all right. 227 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:04.080 But yeah, I mean I was surprised that Sean Gunn 228 00:14:04.120 --> 00:14:04.600 wasn't in it. 229 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:04.879 More. 230 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:07.559 I did like the little voice cameos from some of 231 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:10.399 the folks that were in Guardians, you know, Palm and 232 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:14.360 Michael Rooker I'm sure had a voice cameo with some 233 00:14:14.399 --> 00:14:17.639 of these superbots that he had. And I liked those 234 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:20.519 Superman bots that he had because they really reminded me, 235 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.840 you know. I was talking of that whole Tim Burton thing, 236 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:29.200 the Tim Burton ordeal, the saga to get that film 237 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:32.879 to the screen, which never ultimately happened. There were what 238 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:37.080 six scripts, I think at least, including one by J. J. Abrams, 239 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.840 and all of these scripts had different stuff, but they 240 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.960 were all so based on the death of Superman, which 241 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:46.960 included the use of a Kryptonian robot that basically merged 242 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:50.360 with Superman to almost be like an exoskeleton for him, 243 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:53.279 and it was very similar to this whole you know, 244 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.159 robot thing that he had going. Oh, it's technology from 245 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:56.879 his other world. 246 00:14:57.360 --> 00:14:59.840 But I have to be eradicator, yes. 247 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:03.039 Thank you, which loves to play squash on Tuesdays against 248 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:04.320 the Yeah W Records. 249 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:08.360 And yeah. 250 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:09.919 But I have to say, as soon as they showed 251 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.200 that video with Bradley Cooper, I was like, Okay, well, 252 00:15:13.240 --> 00:15:15.200 I know where this is going. He was sent here 253 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:19.200 to conquer Earth, not to protect Earth. Eventually that's going 254 00:15:19.279 --> 00:15:22.720 to come out. And I just felt that sometimes it 255 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:26.960 was a little too twenty twenty five with all of 256 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:30.320 the stuff about online chatter and super shit, and then 257 00:15:30.440 --> 00:15:33.919 seeing all the monkeys with the brain implants and stuff, 258 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:36.039 and I was just like, all right, this is a 259 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:39.080 little much. I kind of wish they had backed off 260 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:42.720 of that a little bit and maybe given Lex Luthor 261 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:46.600 a little bit more space and a little bit more nuance, 262 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:49.080 because he just seemed pissed off the entire time, and 263 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:51.279 I love Nicholas Holt, but it just felt like he 264 00:15:51.399 --> 00:15:53.960 was playing it at eleven the whole way through. 265 00:15:54.759 --> 00:15:56.600 Kind of like that he was playing it at eleven 266 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.279 because he was like a rage baiting troll of the 267 00:15:59.399 --> 00:16:02.799 kind that you run into gaming online, like an actual, 268 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:07.879 like fucking internet troll, but given the ability to actually, 269 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.039 you know, use his brain as opposed to just typing 270 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:12.159 the end word over and over again, this guy is 271 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.000 much more of a nuanced asshole. 272 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.000 So he's actually lethal in person and thus not like 273 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:20.879 an internet troll at all. He's exactly like a fly. 274 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:24.440 He doesn't have multifaceted eyes nor wings, but he's definitely 275 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:24.879 like a fly. 276 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:26.960 I mean, I think, at the end of the day, 277 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:29.519 if you have a movie that's as narratively disjointed as 278 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:32.759 this one, and you expect the audience to understand that 279 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:35.240 coming into it, it's not going to be an origin story, 280 00:16:35.240 --> 00:16:36.799 which I don't think the issue of it not being 281 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:38.440 an origin story is an issue at all. 282 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:39.200 Oh, I. 283 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:44.120 Get right to it, everybody. 284 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.039 I think it worked really well, but I don't think 285 00:16:47.799 --> 00:16:51.519 the rest of the plot, like you kind of alluded to, Mike, 286 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:56.039 does anything other than kind of meer itself in a 287 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.399 specific time and place. And we've talked about this before. 288 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:03.480 It's something like the Twilight's own reboot and then something 289 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:05.759 else that this the end of this movie, and Nicholas 290 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.160 Holt in a lot of ways the framing device. And 291 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:10.119 again I know James gunn Is when writing the script, 292 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:12.440 just like I know who wrote the script for Ghostbusters 293 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:16.119 twenty sixteen. The villain in Ghostbusters twenty sixteen was an 294 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:19.480 Internet in cell. That's what he was. That's who took 295 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:21.960 that movie to task was Internet in cells because they 296 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:23.960 thought the movie wasn't gonna be good because women were 297 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:27.000 cast as Ghostbusters. It wasn't good because it wasn't funny. 298 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.519 Like Father Malone alluded to with the Zack Snyder fanboys 299 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:34.000 that are just like dragging this movie because it exists. 300 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:38.319 I feel like part of the James Gunness of the 301 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:40.160 movie that I have a problem with because I think 302 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.519 he restrained himself at times with other things that he 303 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:45.559 wants to always do. I think he set the movie 304 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.400 in too specific a time and place. And I think, 305 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:50.880 to Mike, to your point, the twenty twenty five of 306 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.160 it all and it's not the And again I don't 307 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:54.920 want to say the wokeness of it all, because that's 308 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:57.000 a stupid term. But there are things that I don't 309 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:02.160 think necessarily do your movie any service, including them because 310 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.000 they date your movie. And I'm not saying every movie 311 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:07.960 neems to be timeless, but the dating of this movie 312 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:11.240 does not help the movie's pause, and I think it's 313 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.440 the muddied plot of the movie kind of goes nowhere, 314 00:18:15.839 --> 00:18:19.440 doesn't justify Superman getting involved, and by the end of it, 315 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:22.640 I'm like, I'm just excited for whatever happens next because 316 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:24.640 that means I get to see this character who I 317 00:18:24.680 --> 00:18:27.799 actually like, is Superman, this version of Superman going and 318 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:29.839 doing something else. Hopefully it's not this. 319 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:33.240 Don't make it this what plot? I would say During 320 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:35.640 the entire film, I kept wondering what the plot was, 321 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.079 and now twenty four hours later, I'm still wondering. The 322 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.920 plot is basically Lex Luthors versus Superman, no matter what 323 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:46.279 the scenario, and that always superos. That's fine, and I'm 324 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:49.319 willing to go with that, but I do need to 325 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:52.279 spend a little bit more time with Lex. If you're 326 00:18:52.319 --> 00:18:54.480 going to tell me that the same amount of screen 327 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:59.640 time afforded to the miss test Mocker Jimmy Olsen romance 328 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:03.519 is equal because what in the fuck is going on? 329 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:06.519 First of all, just personally, I do not like that 330 00:19:06.640 --> 00:19:10.119 actor playing Jim Olschel. There's something about that guy that 331 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:13.160 makes me think he grew up eating fried Maloney sandwiches. 332 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:15.240 There's just something about his face that makes me want 333 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.519 to push it in. I don't like him. Nevertheless, I 334 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:20.759 also was like, why are we watching this? I know 335 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:22.920 Lex because I know Lex, because I've read the fucking 336 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.079 comics my entire life, and I've fucking watched all of 337 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:27.839 the movies and the TV shows and everything, right, And 338 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.200 that's fine, so I don't necessarily need to get inside 339 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:32.720 his brain. But as you've said, he is at eleven 340 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:35.400 the entire time. This is the angriest Lex we've ever seen. 341 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:37.640 And I'm good with angry Lex. That's fine. We haven't 342 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:41.640 really seen him yet, But what is actually motivating him? 343 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:44.799 I want one scene where we find that out. Just 344 00:19:44.920 --> 00:19:47.559 slow him down for two fucking seconds. If that were 345 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:51.119 to include maybe a conversation with Superman that wasn't them 346 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:52.839 just trying to beat the shit out of each other, 347 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:57.400 that could have been welcome, And that only kept getting 348 00:19:57.400 --> 00:20:00.319 reinforced every time we cut to this stupid fucking test 349 00:20:00.359 --> 00:20:03.519 Macker Jimmy Olsen romance that I mean, I know it 350 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:06.880 makes sense the plot, like whatever plot there is, like 351 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:11.519 that pays off, but who cares anyway, Sorry. 352 00:20:11.440 --> 00:20:13.240 I had it. 353 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:15.279 I had to vent my spleen about the fucking Jimmy 354 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:16.400 Owlsen bullshit. 355 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:20.799 Manzanda, What did he do to hurt you? Father Malone. 356 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:24.839 He's unappealing, that's I mean, that's it. It's just, you know, 357 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:27.319 he seems a very talented human being. Maybe he's a 358 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:29.400 really nice guy. I don't like the look of him. 359 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:31.640 It's like Billy Zaye. I know everyone loves Billy z Aye. 360 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:34.359 That's the I get the same sort of ick factor 361 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:34.839 from him. 362 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:37.039 Robin Wright Penn with me. I get it. 363 00:20:37.079 --> 00:20:39.920 I get that one too. I get that. So yeah, yeah, 364 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:40.359 I get it. 365 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.000 Get it. I will say. Skyler Goazando is very funny 366 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:47.680 in the Vacation reboot where he's just having the ship 367 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:48.960 beat out of him the entire movie. 368 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:50.920 So that was where I get there. That's where I 369 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:52.799 learned to know. I actually learned to hate him there 370 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:54.599 because I was like, this is our rusty. 371 00:20:54.440 --> 00:21:00.319 This Yeah, but it's funny. I mean, we we just 372 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.640 talked about vacation for the Chasing Chevy Chase podcast and 373 00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:07.480 I'm sitting there through three quarters of the movie just 374 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:09.640 going that can't look so familiar. 375 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:10.480 Why do I know? 376 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:13.079 And I did like this weird thing where because he's 377 00:21:13.160 --> 00:21:17.480 not traditionally handsome whatsoever. And when they had the very 378 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:20.920 attractive girls waving at him, I was like, are they 379 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:24.279 waving at somebody behind him? And then later on when 380 00:21:24.880 --> 00:21:27.720 they see what eve Testmoker looks like, and it took 381 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.359 me forever to realize that she was miss Testmcker. They 382 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:32.839 just come calling her Eve through the whole thing. But 383 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.160 when they find out what she looks like and they're like, 384 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:36.279 what is it with you? 385 00:21:36.440 --> 00:21:36.759 Jimmy? 386 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:39.880 Like why are all these girls throwing themselves at you? 387 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:43.160 These very hot women? What is going on here? 388 00:21:43.759 --> 00:21:44.519 I kind of like that. 389 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:47.640 I really wanted more Perry White. I really would have 390 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:50.279 liked to have seen more of him, and you know, 391 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:53.680 I really like the actor that played him, but Wendell Pierce, 392 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.960 but it just felt like there wasn't a lot of them. 393 00:21:57.000 --> 00:21:59.720 And I guess I am not very smart when it 394 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.000 comes to the Superman more. I kind of go back 395 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:06.480 more to the old radio show and stuff when it 396 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:08.839 comes to the Daily Planet, because I had no idea 397 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:11.200 who this Cat Grant character is. 398 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:14.799 Oh, he's relatively new. She showed up in the eighties. 399 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:17.720 Okay, because I'm just like, who is this little blonde 400 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:20.640 lady who looks kind of like Kristin Chenowith But isn't 401 00:22:20.839 --> 00:22:21.079