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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Nightmare USA Podcast. Using Stephen Thrower's tome

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<v Speaker 1>as our roadmap, join us as we explore the underbelly

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<v Speaker 1>of America, one regional horror film at a time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Adam, I'm Sam.

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<v Speaker 1>In our first official episode, Sam and I are going

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss the film that is prominently featured on the

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<v Speaker 1>cover of Nightmare USA, Don't Go in the House, directed

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<v Speaker 1>by Joseph Ellison.

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<v Speaker 2>In this House, twenty five years ago, a child was

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<v Speaker 2>given life. Donald come here. He was raised in isolation.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a bad boy, instructed in fear. You're able, and

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<v Speaker 2>you must be punished, imprisoned by a tormented mind. You'll

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<v Speaker 2>bother that you do things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But he's gone now and baptized in flames.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he has come of age. His suffering has ended,

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<v Speaker 2>and ours is about to begin. You're heard that a lady,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll punish you again if you would be spared from

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<v Speaker 2>the fury of his vengeance whatever you do, Don't Go

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<v Speaker 2>in the House.

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<v Speaker 1>Filmed in nineteen seventy nine, Don't Go in the House

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<v Speaker 1>was released on March twenty eighth, nineteen eighty six, weeks

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<v Speaker 1>before Friday the thirteenth. Thanks to John Carpenter's Halloween, audience's

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<v Speaker 1>tastes and horror were beginning to shift, becoming more terrified

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<v Speaker 1>by the Boogeyman than the guy next door. Perhaps the

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<v Speaker 1>onslaught of serial killers in the seventies, from Ted Bundy

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<v Speaker 1>to John Wayne Gacy The Son of Sam to the

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<v Speaker 1>Hillside Strangler soured tastes to real life horror. Watching the

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<v Speaker 1>machinations of Damage Donnie Kohler might have felt too real

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<v Speaker 1>compared to Michael Myers skulking about the streets of Haddenfield

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<v Speaker 1>or Missus Vorhees co boarding about Camp Crystal Lake. While

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<v Speaker 1>audiences stayed away, critics complained of gratuitous violence in the

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<v Speaker 1>film thanks to the infamous flamethrower scene, which we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to in a minute. British censors placed the films on

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<v Speaker 1>their Video Nasties list, which has now probably given the

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<v Speaker 1>film more life than ever, with Don't Go in the

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<v Speaker 1>House be as well known today had it not ended

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<v Speaker 1>up on that notorious listing that Don't Go in the

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<v Speaker 1>House was Ellison's first feature film. Watching again this time,

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<v Speaker 1>I was struck by the craftsmanship and confidence Ellison shows

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<v Speaker 1>in his direction. It's a shame he didn't receive more opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>He directed only one film after Don't Go in the House, Joey,

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<v Speaker 1>about a duop group in the nineteen fifties, before returning

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<v Speaker 1>to his first love of music, Sam, When did you

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<v Speaker 1>first see go Don't Go in the House? And how

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<v Speaker 1>does it compare this time to previous watches?

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I watched it the first time in the

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<v Speaker 2>VHS era, and that was the time when I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like slasher crazy as a kid in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in middle school, in high school, and I want him

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<v Speaker 2>to see every Slasher and Don't Go in the House. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it predates slightly Friday thirteenth, and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>right around Halloween, before the rules had been set of

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<v Speaker 2>the slasher. But it always felt like when I watched

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<v Speaker 2>it that there's something wrong with this movie, that if

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<v Speaker 2>this is a movie that it almost feels like a

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<v Speaker 2>more abbarent version of Maniac, because like, at least in Maniac,

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<v Speaker 2>you've just been out playing the killer and you can

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<v Speaker 2>identify with him. There's nothing that makes you identify with

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<v Speaker 2>Donnie in this movie. He's just like a horrifying person

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<v Speaker 2>and horrible things happen to beautiful people. But also the

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<v Speaker 2>more you think about I think, as I've gotten older,

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<v Speaker 2>I start to feel bad for him because like, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>wife has brought him here and he's been on this

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<v Speaker 2>track to nowhere. And I love that because this isn't

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<v Speaker 2>like a teen pleasing slasher like you were saying, like

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Myers, like you know, you get introduced these characters,

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<v Speaker 2>and often in slashers, you know, there's always somebody like, boy,

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<v Speaker 2>hope this character dies, like I hate they introduce a character,

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<v Speaker 2>you know in the hopes that you know they get killed,

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<v Speaker 2>And here it's just like this insane man driven to

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<v Speaker 2>do these things. I often think about when his mom dies,

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<v Speaker 2>you think, oh, well, he's finally gonna be free of

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<v Speaker 2>her influence. And if anything, it's gotten worse now because

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<v Speaker 2>it's not physical anymore. There's nothing in here that gives

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<v Speaker 2>him like an origin like a Jason or Michael Myers

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<v Speaker 2>or a Freddy like these aren't you know, it's not supernatural?

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<v Speaker 2>This is like is real to me. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of realism in this movie. Now. Could someone put this

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<v Speaker 2>Charnel house inside their home, I don't know about that.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems like it would take a while of work.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, my wife's a big true crime fan,

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<v Speaker 2>and it feels like in the early seventies, late seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>early eighties, you could get away with this. Today his

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<v Speaker 2>Amazon list would get triggered, like.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you need to flame through cameras everywhere, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're not going to just walk into that story

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<v Speaker 1>and buy and that's best to see.

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<v Speaker 2>That, Yeah, Yeah, And I also like that and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure we'll definitely get into it that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people in his life that kind of want to

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to him, like his co workers.

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<v Speaker 1>And stuff, and I love that. So we can go

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<v Speaker 1>and get sorried about that because my comp on Donnie

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<v Speaker 1>is really Travis Bickle in taxi drivers, so we can

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<v Speaker 1>kind of get into that. So the film starts out

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<v Speaker 1>with Donnie is at work and I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 1>they do with this place exactly. There's definitely an incinerator involved.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if the operation of this place is,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's a guy who's loading stuff in the incinerator

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<v Speaker 1>and there is some sort of flammable can that has

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<v Speaker 1>been placed in the incinerator. Our poor guy he that

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<v Speaker 1>cannisterer explodes and fire, he gets engulfed in flames, and

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<v Speaker 1>do you did they teach do you think he knew stop,

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<v Speaker 1>drop and roll? Because he just stands there and Donnie

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<v Speaker 1>stands there too, because as we learn later, he's very

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<v Speaker 1>triggered by fire.

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<v Speaker 2>But this has to be like the best, like his

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<v Speaker 2>Fourth of July, like to be that close to someone

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<v Speaker 2>getting immolated, do you know what I mean? And like

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else is like, please help this guy and throw

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<v Speaker 2>something over him.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, no, he's frozen because, as we learn later,

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<v Speaker 1>he is traumatized by being burned by his mother as punishment.

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<v Speaker 1>If he was who knows what he did that nothing

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<v Speaker 1>would warrant this response from anyone, of course, but he

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<v Speaker 1>his mother would hold his arms over an open flame

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<v Speaker 1>and burn them as a punishment. Although and I have

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<v Speaker 1>a have another question about that. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you noticed, but they black out Diamond, the brand named

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<v Speaker 1>Diamond on the matches, like they black that out. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't do you think they're for a Diamond match after them?

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<v Speaker 2>For well, the whole lobby, the match lobby, who's very powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>Big match, Yeah, big match, because like they're like you

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine they're like, no, we're not going to flick

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<v Speaker 2>our bicks and you should just use kitchen matches. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think about that a lot. Like you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>also for arlely character. There's always one kid in your

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<v Speaker 2>class that is fascinated by fire. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you had any of those in your class that will

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<v Speaker 2>just lay.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my sons is very really fascinated by fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man. They just want to light and hold, like

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<v Speaker 2>just will light a whole box of matches, like that's

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<v Speaker 2>their video game. And you're like cool, Like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to hang out with this kid. I'm be that person. Though.

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<v Speaker 2>My brother and I get way too into the Fourth

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<v Speaker 2>of July. My wife is did not realize she grew

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<v Speaker 2>up with a brother, younger brother, so, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she'd not enjoyed the two boys abuse that happens when

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<v Speaker 2>you have a brother. And we were just shooting bottle

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<v Speaker 2>rockets at each other's faces and I melted my new glasses.

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<v Speaker 2>She was like, you're fifty years old, and I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know. Like Fourth of July is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So Donnie, after being traumatized by this workplace experience and

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<v Speaker 1>berated by his boss for not doing anything, it goes

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<v Speaker 1>back home. Well, first let's go back to his to

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<v Speaker 1>this his coworker Bobby, because we're kind of touching on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby is his coworker who reaches out to him and says,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hey, you know that was tough. We come

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<v Speaker 1>come out and have a drink and he's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I got to go home. And but that's what one

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<v Speaker 1>thing I love about this movie is that you do

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<v Speaker 1>have this character of Bobby who is really trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be Donnie's friend throughout this movie. And I wrote an

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<v Speaker 1>article for the Physical Media Advocate. I'm kind of plugging here,

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Someone's Favorite Productions Media Empire, which we

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<v Speaker 1>are part of the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network. So

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote an article about taxi driver and it was

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<v Speaker 1>about loneliness, kind of comparing through the lens of today.

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<v Speaker 1>They had come out with article the Surgeon General about

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<v Speaker 1>the epidemic of loneliness in today's society, and I was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they Ryan Beryl had asked me to write

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<v Speaker 1>an article about taxi driver, and I'm like, well, how

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<v Speaker 1>can I write about taxi You know what was left

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<v Speaker 1>to say? Yeah, about taxi driver? So rewatching it and

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what left out to me it was

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<v Speaker 1>how Travis never had he didn't have that person reach

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<v Speaker 1>out to him. He tried, you know, and people try

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<v Speaker 1>to say look now and paint him as an in cell.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess and you could kind of maybe people would

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<v Speaker 1>do that with Donnie to and I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily the case. First of all, I don't think anyone

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<v Speaker 1>can in a insul these days, because somebody. Everyone can

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<v Speaker 1>find somebody. Yeah, they're some sort of app or it

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<v Speaker 1>may not be the person you want, but you can.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not involuntary celibus that you can find somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>It's two people that found each other to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>movies that hundreds of people saw in the seventies and

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<v Speaker 2>are doing a podcast together. Yes, you can find people.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know Travis, you know, he didn't know how

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<v Speaker 1>to relate to Sybil Shepherd's character, and he tried to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the Peter Boyle other taxi driver character, and

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<v Speaker 1>he just didn't really have anyone. I'm like, if Travis

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<v Speaker 1>Bickle just had a friend, all of this could have

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<v Speaker 1>been avoided maybe. And so here it was interesting to

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<v Speaker 1>see this Bobby character, you know, where most people would

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<v Speaker 1>look at Donnie and say, you know, like, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't really want to reach out to him. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby did want to reach out. Yeah, And so kudos

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<v Speaker 1>to Bobby, even though he's a terrible husband, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Later he's a seven guy. This is what I always

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<v Speaker 2>think of, Like what most met at the mill were

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<v Speaker 2>like my grandfather. If you lived in Pittsburgh, your grandfather,

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<v Speaker 2>your dad worked in a steel mill, and like Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>they parked a mile away and there were bars on

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<v Speaker 2>the way back. So my grandfather every night would stop,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd drink at the bar, and then he'd get home

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd go to another bar, and then he would

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<v Speaker 2>finally come home at some point. Right because you're working

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<v Speaker 2>in a blast furnace all day and like it's I

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<v Speaker 2>can't even imagine the terror of like when I complain

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<v Speaker 2>about my job. Like he would come home and one

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<v Speaker 2>it was outside, so like in the Pittsburgh winters, Like

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<v Speaker 2>one side of him would be frostbitting, the other side

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<v Speaker 2>would be you know, sunburned because of how hot it was.

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<v Speaker 2>that often. My grandfather was more more devoted to the

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<v Speaker 2>And but at least he has Alisi has obbies.

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<v Speaker 1>So he come Donnie comes home after that incident, and

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<v Speaker 1>She's dead, and he he starts jumping up and down

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<v Speaker 2>and a bottled red wine. She had taken all the silverware,

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<v Speaker 2>all the pots and pans like everything, so like, I, uh, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Was gonna thought you were gonna say you couldn't find

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I wound no corkscrew either. There was nothing, so

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<v Speaker 2>I had to like do the trick where you like

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<v Speaker 2>eating this like half raw steak that I could barely cook,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, uh, there's a more mature way

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<v Speaker 2>of dealing with this. But that's the saddest part of

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<v Speaker 2>from this mother's influence in his head. Could he I

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<v Speaker 2>and by the things he's endured that he's on a

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<v Speaker 1>but he Yeah, that's a good question. What would his

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<v Speaker 1>would still be he's still damaged. But could he have

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not. It wouldn't last.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably. I always think about that. That's a problem. I

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<v Speaker 2>a pedestal, I maybe I'm speaking to myself, sixteen year

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<v Speaker 2>when I was sixteen, I was like, why why don't

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<v Speaker 2>any girls want to go out with me? In my

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<v Speaker 2>small town? And now that I think about it, like

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<v Speaker 2>leather face and sat in his room and drank and

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<v Speaker 2>played guitar all day, which is not a lot different

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<v Speaker 2>than than fifty year old Sam. Just I walked out

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<v Speaker 2>and know how to communicate with women a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>hopefully a little better.

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<v Speaker 1>By now you know, there probably weren't a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>girls of the eighties looking for that guys, especially if

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<v Speaker 1>you know they're looking forward whatever they're looking for in

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<v Speaker 1>movies of the eighties, you know those, yeah, exactly, shock time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well also though, if you watch these eighties like teen comedies,

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<v Speaker 2>you should be, which is very in cel where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>to show her I'm gonna white night this. I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it doesn't work out. Uh So I walked out.

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<v Speaker 2>I am very lucky to be married to Becca because

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<v Speaker 2>when we were first dating, like our second or third date,

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<v Speaker 2>went to her house to pick her up, She's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not ready yet, just sit downstairs and watch TV.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, okay. She's like, I was finishing The

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<v Speaker 2>blob and it was the remake of The Blob and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like, I really like grub a teen's effects in it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, okay, well, I'm going to marry

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<v Speaker 2>this girl. Like at this point, like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>like that feels like a jackpot, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that Blobber remake. It was filmed in

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<v Speaker 1>Louisiana and oh yes, I will say real fast in

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<v Speaker 1>case we didn't cover this. I'm from Louisiana currently live

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<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas, so that's that's my region. When we get

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<v Speaker 1>in the regional horror, I'm really interested in Louisiana and Arkansas. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a few in the book, not a whole lot,

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<v Speaker 1>but enough so then from Arkansas. It's an encounter of

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<v Speaker 1>the unknown. Have you seen No One? Directed by Harry

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<v Speaker 1>Thomason who went on to do Designing Women and Searhead

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway back to Don't Go in the House. After Donnie

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<v Speaker 1>comes home and the voice is kick in, he goes

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<v Speaker 1>out and goes into this floorist shop which was closed,

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<v Speaker 1>but he convinces the lady in the shop to reopen

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<v Speaker 1>the store for him to buy flowers for mother because

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<v Speaker 1>his mother's really sick. And he also, I guess before

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<v Speaker 1>that he finds at that sporting goods store. He finds

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<v Speaker 1>that asbestosy right, and the flamethrower.

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<v Speaker 2>How does that? Where'd you buy these things like pre Amazon?

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<v Speaker 1>The at the local sporting goods store? And that was

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<v Speaker 1>one thing they hit because he looked they should a

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<v Speaker 1>shot of like they had these knives laid out and

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<v Speaker 1>I can't have guns laid out or not. But that

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<v Speaker 1>was another. It reminded me a taxi driver whenever the

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<v Speaker 1>guy comes and lays out all the guns for Travis

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<v Speaker 1>to pick one, but he sees all those and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>no flamethrower.

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<v Speaker 2>I've often thought about buying a flame thrower for when

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<v Speaker 2>the winter comes here. I'm from Pittsburgh and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like when the walk is bad, and I'm like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not why they make them. They make them. They're

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<v Speaker 2>not made for anything other than setting human beings on fire,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? Like that's what this

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<v Speaker 1>That's all I've seen them in movies for.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like there's not people like out there like doing

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<v Speaker 2>roadwork with a flamethrower. Like, so I realized I probably

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<v Speaker 2>should have known one. Also, like how do you tell

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<v Speaker 2>your neighbors you have one? It's just funny though, Like

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<v Speaker 2>that store reminds me of the stores in Chopping Mall

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like every machine of part that we need

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<v Speaker 2>is available in this store. Like there's that sporting good

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<v Speaker 2>store in Chopping Bonnets, Like there's gas hands, there's flaming arrows,

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<v Speaker 2>there's everything available for the characters, and for him, it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, let's go to Dick's and get in this

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<v Speaker 2>best of suit. Yeah. I don't know if if sporting

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<v Speaker 2>good stories carry them in, why would they carry them anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, it's because we're in a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the what I always say, like we're in a movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say that, but I think the store really

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<v Speaker 1>had you know, did they walk by this window and

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<v Speaker 1>say that maybe that window was already displayed that.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, like what kids met that we've found? This is

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<v Speaker 2>best a suit? Shoot it, no, permit, make it happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So he gets this floors named Kathy, Bless her heart.

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<v Speaker 1>She she misses her bus because she was dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>Donnie and these flowers. And Donnie says, hey, let me

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<v Speaker 1>let me give you a right home. I'm going that way,

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<v Speaker 1>which I mean, come on girl, Yeah, but anyway, she does,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she he says, well, let me just I

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<v Speaker 1>got to get these flowers in water, of course, so

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<v Speaker 1>let me just in real fast and check out mom

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<v Speaker 1>and get these flowers on the water. And she you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the movie is don't go in the house,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not the original title, but uh, it's good

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<v Speaker 1>advice and they really should not have gone in this house.

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<v Speaker 2>And Kathy especially, no, this is this movie has I've

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<v Speaker 2>learned so many lessons from my life. I was actually

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<v Speaker 2>I have flirted with writing a book about how watching

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<v Speaker 2>slasher movies can save your life, and I think horror

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<v Speaker 2>movies that in a whole way can save your life,

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<v Speaker 2>like I will never go to a tropical island after

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<v Speaker 2>seeing Zombie, to my wife's chagrin. I'm like, she's tried

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of times to get us to go on cruises,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, have you seen what gets down on

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<v Speaker 2>the tool? Like it's bad there and in the same

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<v Speaker 2>way here, Like if I was a floorist, I would

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<v Speaker 2>never go home with a customer. I wouldn't get in

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<v Speaker 2>the car, like I'm afraid of people, and uh right,

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<v Speaker 2>and with good reason, because I've seen these movies. These

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<v Speaker 2>movies have trained me to distrust people with the flame fetishes.

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<v Speaker 1>So Kathy gets incineratous. Can you explain how Donnie has

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<v Speaker 1>fashioned this room in this house? What has he done?

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like a giant sheet metal like it's amazing

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<v Speaker 2>that he's That's the thing that's crazy is like he

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<v Speaker 2>built this himself. Like the engineering to make this room

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<v Speaker 2>and to like fire proof it and to put it

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<v Speaker 2>within this house is like even though he's a horrible person,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and a criminal, he does have like a

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<v Speaker 2>high level of intelligence, but it's very specialized. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>in cel intelligence right that it's like this is my fascination,

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<v Speaker 2>and I will make this room. But like he has

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<v Speaker 2>like hooks that are there for people, and he can

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<v Speaker 2>properly put the women up. The rest of the house

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<v Speaker 2>isn't going to catch on fire. The smell of it's

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<v Speaker 2>not going to get out the wort other people in

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<v Speaker 2>his neighborhood. He's really he put it all together.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't really get a lot. I mean we see

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<v Speaker 1>him kind of doing it, but we don't think in

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<v Speaker 1>any kind of background of how.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't like a money pit kind of thing where

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<v Speaker 2>we have an extended montage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we needed a needed a montage.

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<v Speaker 2>Would imagine if it had like like one of those

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<v Speaker 2>songs it's like in an eighties teen comedy, like a

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<v Speaker 2>starship song. As he's like hammering together this little little

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<v Speaker 2>thing and he's looking at Oh I did it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, nothing's gonna stop us now.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, exactly. We built this city and he's just

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<v Speaker 2>like they're making making his little uh death room. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess this feels like me, like I've done home

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<v Speaker 2>repair and stuff and I hate it. So kudos to

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<v Speaker 2>him for knowing how to do it. But it looks

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<v Speaker 2>it looks really professional, do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Like it doesn't look like some that Donnie did it, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think he maybe how would he bring in

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's so hard to hire, uh, you know people

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<v Speaker 2>that I just hire people to do my shed and

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<v Speaker 2>I had to call him back and have him fixed

416
00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:53.720
<v Speaker 2>stuff like it's you know, it's.

417
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<v Speaker 1>Hard to hire the seventies. It was easier in the seventies.

418
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<v Speaker 2>Do you think there were just people that you could

419
00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:00.920
<v Speaker 2>trust and they'd be like please still telling anyone that

420
00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:03.400
<v Speaker 2>they like, No, we get it. You're gonna kill people

421
00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:05.119
<v Speaker 2>in this room and you'll probably kill us too, So

422
00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:07.400
<v Speaker 2>we're cool. You keep your secret, that's fine.

423
00:22:07.720 --> 00:22:12.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Kathy. Yeah, so Kathy is hung up from

424
00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:17.440
<v Speaker 1>that book and incinerated in a very brutally scary scene.

425
00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Still to this day, I watched this film and had

426
00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:24.319
<v Speaker 1>the commentary from Joseph Ellison and his wife who is

427
00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Her name is Ellen. She was the producer on this film.

428
00:22:27.039 --> 00:22:30.519
<v Speaker 1>And I love this commentary because she just kind of

429
00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:33.559
<v Speaker 1>gushes over the film. She's like, like, this film's so good.

430
00:22:33.799 --> 00:22:36.200
<v Speaker 1>And he's like, Oh, I'm glad you, I'm glad you're

431
00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.240
<v Speaker 1>really finally saying this fifty years later, how good this is.

432
00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:41.920
<v Speaker 1>But she was almost screaming at this scene.

433
00:22:41.960 --> 00:22:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, she's also Bobby's wife in the movie. She's uncradated,

434
00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:49.079
<v Speaker 2>but that's her. Yeah, it's like, are those digital flames?

435
00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:51.119
<v Speaker 1>I didn't understand how they did it, and they go

436
00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:54.640
<v Speaker 1>into it in the book of They had some camera

437
00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:58.000
<v Speaker 1>angle and a prism and they had a dummy that

438
00:22:58.000 --> 00:23:01.160
<v Speaker 1>they set on fire, and the way they it kind

439
00:23:01.200 --> 00:23:04.200
<v Speaker 1>of superimposed on one another. And it was so disturbing

440
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:08.519
<v Speaker 1>that Joseph Ellison said he had to look up from

441
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:11.960
<v Speaker 1>the camera and risk light coming into the lens. He

442
00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:15.039
<v Speaker 1>was afraid that this woman was really on fire from

443
00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:17.319
<v Speaker 1>what he was looking in the camera and seeing.

444
00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:20.559
<v Speaker 2>It's that's kind of like the effects thing of like

445
00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:22.839
<v Speaker 2>is this could this get out of hand? Could this

446
00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:25.000
<v Speaker 2>become real? Because it feels like a how do you

447
00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:29.480
<v Speaker 2>even test this? Or like I can't even imagine like

448
00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>explaining it to an actress. Okay, first off, we're gonna

449
00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:34.960
<v Speaker 2>hang you up and then we're gonna make it look

450
00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:36.920
<v Speaker 2>like you're on fire, but you won't be. Don't worry,

451
00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:39.279
<v Speaker 2>and you're like, oh, I'm inside this house in New

452
00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Jersey with like eight weird dudes. But the one guy

453
00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:46.039
<v Speaker 2>brought his wife, who's the producer, and she told me

454
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:49.880
<v Speaker 2>it'll be okay, Like it's it seems it seems terrifying

455
00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:51.680
<v Speaker 2>to be in this movie. This movie, doesn't I always

456
00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:53.160
<v Speaker 2>say when I was a kid, I'm like, man, I

457
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:54.960
<v Speaker 2>wish I was an actress. These movies look like fun.

458
00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:56.680
<v Speaker 2>This movie does not look like it was fun to

459
00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.519
<v Speaker 2>be in. Like this movie looks harrowing at times, and

460
00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:03.039
<v Speaker 2>like people survived the scenes that they were in versus

461
00:24:03.079 --> 00:24:06.440
<v Speaker 2>like acting in them, especially this scene, because like if

462
00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:08.960
<v Speaker 2>it upsets you now, like I can't imagine what people

463
00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:11.359
<v Speaker 2>thought in the seventies when they saw it. And it's

464
00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:16.599
<v Speaker 2>funny because like how many movies like U got protested

465
00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:19.240
<v Speaker 2>right that played. I believe that a lot of those

466
00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:22.200
<v Speaker 2>protests that happened on forty Second Street were engineered by

467
00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:24.359
<v Speaker 2>the producers, right so that people would find out about

468
00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:27.880
<v Speaker 2>the movies. But like this one is like that's why

469
00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.440
<v Speaker 2>I really love this movie. But this is not a

470
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:32.839
<v Speaker 2>movie that it feels like you can triumph to people.

471
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:35.319
<v Speaker 2>You're like, you know, my favorite movie is doing that.

472
00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:39.119
<v Speaker 2>It's like I think you can say maniac because people

473
00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:41.240
<v Speaker 2>are like, oh, there's t shirts Maniac and like it's

474
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:45.480
<v Speaker 2>been merchandised a bit and stuff. But they're both really

475
00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:46.400
<v Speaker 2>scuzzy movies.

476
00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:52.240
<v Speaker 1>They are really dark, I mean just dark, yeah, sad movies.

477
00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I was shocked when they showed the trail of this

478
00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:55.720
<v Speaker 2>at the drive in. My wife's like, I really want

479
00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:57.079
<v Speaker 2>to see that. I'm like, I don't think you want

480
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.319
<v Speaker 2>to see it, Like and I know that she loves

481
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:01.160
<v Speaker 2>true crime, and but it's like this is rough, Like

482
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.720
<v Speaker 2>this like I'll go to do a triple feature night

483
00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:08.039
<v Speaker 2>of like this New York Ripper and Maniac and whoever comes,

484
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:09.920
<v Speaker 2>we're just going to put him on a watch list.

485
00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:14.240
<v Speaker 1>This starts a series of murders for Donnie. So the

486
00:25:14.279 --> 00:25:19.200
<v Speaker 1>second one is I wonder how many childhood fears we're

487
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna discover as we go through this book, because one

488
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:24.960
<v Speaker 1>childhood fear of mine is that I just knew it

489
00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.519
<v Speaker 1>was gonna happen to me, is having the stranded car

490
00:25:27.559 --> 00:25:30.240
<v Speaker 1>on the side of the road, on a deserted strip

491
00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:33.079
<v Speaker 1>of a highway or whatever. And that's what happened. I

492
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:34.559
<v Speaker 1>opened up the hood of my car and I'm like,

493
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:37.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but she was. She was trying to

494
00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:40.480
<v Speaker 1>figure out what's going on. Donnie shows up and he

495
00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:44.079
<v Speaker 1>takes her and you know, gonna help her, and of

496
00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:47.079
<v Speaker 1>course takes her to that we don't really see anymore incinerating,

497
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:50.920
<v Speaker 1>thank goodness, but you know, she is victim number two.

498
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:55.079
<v Speaker 1>And then victim number three is this woman in a

499
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:59.000
<v Speaker 1>store in a convenience store, which I had a lot

500
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:03.960
<v Speaker 1>of questions about, mainly when did two liter coca cola

501
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:06.400
<v Speaker 1>become a thing? And I didn't find this out, So

502
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:10.279
<v Speaker 1>film filmed in nineteen seventy nine. Two lid Coca Cola

503
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:13.839
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy eight, so it was fairly new products.

504
00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:15.799
<v Speaker 2>Are you old enough to remember when two leaders also

505
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.000
<v Speaker 2>had the extra plastic thing on the bottom. They had

506
00:26:18.039 --> 00:26:20.880
<v Speaker 2>that little cup to hold the bottom of the two leader.

507
00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Today they don't have that. They just have like the

508
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:23.880
<v Speaker 2>little bumps on the bottom.

509
00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't remember that. We didn't have

510
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:31.559
<v Speaker 1>a I think we were more just canned canned coke

511
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:33.640
<v Speaker 1>more than a two because a two leader would go

512
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:36.279
<v Speaker 1>flat so fast, so we never really bought those. And

513
00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:38.319
<v Speaker 1>then they came out with three Leader, which is even worse.

514
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:41.160
<v Speaker 2>But I tell my wife all the time, like she's like,

515
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:42.640
<v Speaker 2>why do you put so much ice in your drinks?

516
00:26:42.640 --> 00:26:44.440
<v Speaker 2>And I said, as a kid, we did not have.

517
00:26:44.519 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 2>This is goes into my bad childhood, not as bad

518
00:26:46.599 --> 00:26:49.839
<v Speaker 2>as Donny's. I had a great childhood, but I would

519
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:52.160
<v Speaker 2>my parents only bought three leaders because we didn't have

520
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:54.279
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money and you could get like a

521
00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:59.920
<v Speaker 2>three leader of like yeah, And my parents didn't use

522
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 2>or put the pop in the fridge, which today like

523
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I have a fringe just for sodas and beer done

524
00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:08.440
<v Speaker 2>here in my office. And I remember just hearing that

525
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.759
<v Speaker 2>three Leader in the middle of the night popping from heat,

526
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:13.680
<v Speaker 2>knowing you I knowing that there was no gas in

527
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.839
<v Speaker 2>it and no you know he bubbles in it, and

528
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:17.759
<v Speaker 2>knowing that, and my dad would always say, like, we

529
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:20.480
<v Speaker 2>kids aren't getting another soda until you drink that three lead,

530
00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:21.960
<v Speaker 2>And my brother would always be like you got to

531
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:23.519
<v Speaker 2>finish it, you got it, and it would just be

532
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:27.519
<v Speaker 2>like brown water at that point, just the worst flattest

533
00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>that's I should have just drank tab, like you mean,

534
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.599
<v Speaker 2>it tasted like tab, a lot like tab and maybe

535
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:35.279
<v Speaker 2>that's how I got a taste for the weird drinks

536
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:38.319
<v Speaker 2>that I make from this. But yeah, she does buy

537
00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:42.000
<v Speaker 2>two later and to she doesn't even get to drink

538
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:44.319
<v Speaker 2>it because we see Donnie's truck pull up.

539
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Outside and it's just like, this is this an unintentional

540
00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:51.759
<v Speaker 1>comedian moment because it made me laugh out loud whenever

541
00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:54.119
<v Speaker 1>because she's just He's like, let me help you, let

542
00:27:54.200 --> 00:27:55.839
<v Speaker 1>me carry this bag, and she's like, no, get away

543
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.720
<v Speaker 1>from me. And then it just cuts to his truck

544
00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:00.920
<v Speaker 1>in front of the house and you see the three corpses,

545
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.920
<v Speaker 1>and I just love, like is this supposed to be funny,

546
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.119
<v Speaker 1>because I think it's hilarious.

547
00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:10.440
<v Speaker 2>We've already established like comedy works in threes, so like

548
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.240
<v Speaker 2>at this point, we don't need to see the first

549
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.680
<v Speaker 2>one we see like this very extended death, the second

550
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.440
<v Speaker 2>one we see a little in the third one where like,

551
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 2>you guys know what happens. You know that he Burner's right.

552
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.000
<v Speaker 1>So then we see he sets them up in chairs.

553
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:28.480
<v Speaker 1>His mother is, I guess in another room, I guess.

554
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:31.400
<v Speaker 1>And so we spend a lot of that second act

555
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>in the house with Donnie and these these corpses and

556
00:28:36.079 --> 00:28:38.920
<v Speaker 1>he's interacting with them. I think the first thirty minutes

557
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:40.799
<v Speaker 1>of this movie are just so tight and you're just

558
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:43.799
<v Speaker 1>so engaged with it, and then was like the second act.

559
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:46.119
<v Speaker 1>A lot of times in horror movies, the second acts

560
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 1>are always a letdown because you know you have the

561
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>first act in that last act. Usually that ramps back

562
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>up in the second act. Is can be a little

563
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>bit of adultrum. But I was still here for it

564
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.440
<v Speaker 1>because he is just kind of hanging ound the house

565
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:00.680
<v Speaker 1>talking to these corpses, slap on them around.

566
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it demands a lot of the actor because he's

567
00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:09.920
<v Speaker 2>carrying that whole section of the movie. And Don Cohler,

568
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:12.400
<v Speaker 2>who played him, it's crazy. He has a bachelor's degree

569
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.640
<v Speaker 2>in math, a master's and operations research, and a PhD

570
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:18.400
<v Speaker 2>in data processing, so he in addition to doing this,

571
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:21.759
<v Speaker 2>he was teaching college and he also he was on

572
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:24.160
<v Speaker 2>the Sopranos. That's probably the other role he was the Twins,

573
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:27.319
<v Speaker 2>The Presea Twins. But he said that like these, a

574
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:29.720
<v Speaker 2>lot of scends in this movie were so grueling that

575
00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:32.119
<v Speaker 2>he just had to go home and cry after them

576
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.799
<v Speaker 2>that they were upset. There was no like a grief

577
00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.319
<v Speaker 2>counselor on the side of the film or NMC coordinator.

578
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just like, yeah, just yeah, you're going to be

579
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:42.759
<v Speaker 2>a lunatic, and hopefully you could deal with the emotions

580
00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:45.440
<v Speaker 2>that this unlocks within you as you make the film.

581
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.279
<v Speaker 1>I guess I never even thought about that. We don't

582
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>think about actors too much on their mental stability. Just

583
00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:53.119
<v Speaker 1>give us what we want and give us that entertainment, and.

584
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can what is my motivation for the scene where

585
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 2>I slap around corpses and crank up some music, dance

586
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:05.440
<v Speaker 2>around the room in between my kills and he's going

587
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:05.799
<v Speaker 2>for it.

588
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 1>I love that his slap and they're in the rocking chair.

589
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 1>He slaps him in Yeah you get the POV from

590
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>the Corpse of the Rocky and looking back at Donnie,

591
00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:18.079
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's this is Joseph Ellison's first film, and

592
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.799
<v Speaker 1>that's crazy to me to think like he just he

593
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.960
<v Speaker 1>gets it, and it's a shame he didn't do more.

594
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:28.039
<v Speaker 2>It's edited really well too, Like it comes together, like,

595
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.359
<v Speaker 2>especially with all the different shots, like it could very

596
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.200
<v Speaker 2>easily fall apart, do you know what I mean? With

597
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 2>all the things that are happening, and to me, it

598
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:39.039
<v Speaker 2>just works really well. Jane Carson, who edited it, also

599
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>did she did Pumping Iron before this, and we're going

600
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:47.240
<v Speaker 2>to do another serial killer movie, Monster, which is That's

601
00:30:47.240 --> 00:30:49.359
<v Speaker 2>something that I'm sure we'll get into. But like almost

602
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:52.920
<v Speaker 2>all of the crew on this went on to much

603
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.039
<v Speaker 2>bigger things than this movie. It's it's wild, like it's

604
00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:58.160
<v Speaker 2>like an all star behind the.

605
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Camera kind of who's the cinema photographer? Because he he

606
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.119
<v Speaker 1>did The Honeymoon Killers. I can't remember his name.

607
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Is Oliver Wood.

608
00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, he had like Martin Scorsese had hired him

609
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 1>for The Honeymoon Killers before he was unceremoniously fired from

610
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:13.599
<v Speaker 1>that project.

611
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.160
<v Speaker 2>He shot Die Hard Too and Face Off in the

612
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Born Identity films. But my favorite credit for him is,

613
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:25.960
<v Speaker 2>uh he shot mc hammer's Too Legit to Quit and

614
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.920
<v Speaker 2>the Cue the Wing Serpent, which is a much better

615
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:32.799
<v Speaker 2>credit to have on your CV uh than that, and morebius.

616
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:35.519
<v Speaker 2>We won't say anything that he did morebius.

617
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Wow, I do remember the too Legit to Quit video?

618
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.160
<v Speaker 2>So oh you got to do the too the thing

619
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:42.559
<v Speaker 2>right legit to quit?

620
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>So, uh, let me ask you your you you have

621
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:54.480
<v Speaker 1>a Catholic background, So there there is some Catholicism, yeah,

622
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:58.279
<v Speaker 1>embedded in this movie. He goes to the church to

623
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:02.279
<v Speaker 1>to steal some holy water, have any inside And I.

624
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:05.720
<v Speaker 2>Know when we moved into when my mom moved into

625
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:07.720
<v Speaker 2>they moved into the house, the first thing they did

626
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:09.519
<v Speaker 2>was go around holy water to the house. Like that's

627
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>a big deal to Catholics, Like it's you know, you're

628
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 2>sealing the house from spirits. Also, like a lot of

629
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Catholicism is based on lighting candles and you know, like

630
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:22.960
<v Speaker 2>you light a candle for someone, especially if someone's recently died,

631
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 2>like he should be doing that for his mom. It

632
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 2>reminds me.

633
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>A while he lit something, all right, Yeah, but oh yeah.

634
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:35.799
<v Speaker 2>Some human candles, human lanterns. Also, like this reminds there

635
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Another movie that this plays well with is Alice, Sweet Alice,

636
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 2>which is wild period piece. It's in the same area,

637
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:43.640
<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean, Like between New Jersey

638
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:47.359
<v Speaker 2>and New York and playing with like the how Catholicism

639
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:50.000
<v Speaker 2>can be damaging it's it makes sense that he's Catholic

640
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.920
<v Speaker 2>because even today, I haven't gone to church in twenty

641
00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:57.000
<v Speaker 2>twenty five years outside of funerals and stuff. The guilt

642
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.880
<v Speaker 2>that you have, like I've seen movies and stuff, like

643
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:03.559
<v Speaker 2>I remember Louis did an episode about it where they

644
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.039
<v Speaker 2>went to Good Friday Mass and the priest told them

645
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.920
<v Speaker 2>in excruciating detail all the things Jesus went through when

646
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.400
<v Speaker 2>he was crucified. One hundred percent. They did that to us,

647
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.559
<v Speaker 2>and like in like they put up medical charts and stuff,

648
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, and now you're upset that you have

649
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:20.759
<v Speaker 2>to be in church for an hour and you can't

650
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:21.960
<v Speaker 2>get back to the things that you want to do.

651
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.759
<v Speaker 2>Jesus on across for like fourteen hours, and this is

652
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:27.200
<v Speaker 2>the stuff he went through. And as a case, I'm

653
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>like six right. I also had a priest that was

654
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>obsessed with the movie Alive, and he would tell sermons

655
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.960
<v Speaker 2>about the movie Alive and they never connected, like there

656
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 2>was like I was always like fucking Joe, like how

657
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.839
<v Speaker 2>does this come together? And he would always tell the

658
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.440
<v Speaker 2>story is told of it. Argentinean soccer team they crashed

659
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:46.000
<v Speaker 2>in the Andes and were forced to eat each other

660
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, and God was there. God was there

661
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.200
<v Speaker 2>for them, Like, no, I don't know if God was

662
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>there for them. This is they went through it, and

663
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:55.039
<v Speaker 2>like it left me with more questions and answers. I

664
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.960
<v Speaker 2>think it's a kind of religion that can become either

665
00:33:58.039 --> 00:34:00.799
<v Speaker 2>crutch for people or can and there's good things to

666
00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.079
<v Speaker 2>it too, spoiler, but like it feels like for him

667
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.880
<v Speaker 2>it's like something that added to his mother's beating down

668
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:08.519
<v Speaker 2>on him. Maybe if we saw some more of the

669
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:11.760
<v Speaker 2>stuff with the mom, you know, did that tie into stuff? Also,

670
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:14.679
<v Speaker 2>like the idea that as a kid, it was terrifying,

671
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 2>like I didn't want to do anything bad because I

672
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.199
<v Speaker 2>knew it would have to go to confession at some point.

673
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.440
<v Speaker 2>And it's the worst thing to tell a priest. Like

674
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:24.239
<v Speaker 2>I waited around a corner for my brother to come

675
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.719
<v Speaker 2>out and I hit him with a rock and a

676
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:29.920
<v Speaker 2>priest is like, why would you do that? Mike? He

677
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:31.719
<v Speaker 2>did it to me a week ago, and I thought

678
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I should get him back, and they're like, okay, well

679
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.119
<v Speaker 2>say this prayer and it'll solve you with your sin.

680
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, maybe I'm a lunatic and my brother and

681
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I should be kept away from each other.

682
00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he does. He does a friend a priest,

683
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and I'm from Protestant background, so you get more of

684
00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:55.559
<v Speaker 1>a personal experience with the Protestant preaching or a preacher.

685
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Uh you know the Baptist preaching hut that you're always

686
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:00.679
<v Speaker 1>taking out to lunch romania at the door, so there

687
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.079
<v Speaker 1>is I feel like there's more of a connection. Do

688
00:35:03.119 --> 00:35:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you get a lot of personal connection with the priest.

689
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 2>We lucked out that my church growing up had a

690
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:11.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of young priests and that were really connected to

691
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:13.960
<v Speaker 2>our community and would hang out a lot, so that

692
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:17.159
<v Speaker 2>was positive. The other church in my town had one

693
00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.159
<v Speaker 2>of the biggest abusers in the diocese and they would

694
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.280
<v Speaker 2>continually shuffle in from place to place. So like, I

695
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 2>wanted to be a older boy so badly, and my

696
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Mom's like, you can't because they'll make you serve there.

697
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:32.119
<v Speaker 2>And then you know, I almost said his name. I'm

698
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.039
<v Speaker 2>not going to say his name, but he would uh

699
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:37.280
<v Speaker 2>my worry would be he'd be like, you know, Sam's

700
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:41.039
<v Speaker 2>just a little too chubby for me. That's horrible. Yeah,

701
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>that's horrible. But anyway, I think the Catholic Mass, unlike

702
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.239
<v Speaker 2>when I finally started going to other churches when I

703
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 2>got older. The Catholic Mass is all based around this

704
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.719
<v Speaker 2>mystery that if you are to take it literally, the

705
00:35:54.760 --> 00:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>priest is like turning the communion, the water and wind

706
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:02.800
<v Speaker 2>into Jesus's body blood. So there's this transmorrification happening. And

707
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:04.800
<v Speaker 2>they even call it like the mystery of faith, and

708
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.119
<v Speaker 2>like there's a lot of moments within the Mass where

709
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:10.599
<v Speaker 2>they talk up that the priest is God's voice on earth.

710
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:15.239
<v Speaker 2>So it's like you've almost created this like mystery person,

711
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.079
<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? And this like magical

712
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.679
<v Speaker 2>energy around this person, and now you're like asked to

713
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:23.440
<v Speaker 2>relate to this person and tell them things about your life.

714
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:25.079
<v Speaker 2>I remember when I got divorced, someone said we should

715
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:27.519
<v Speaker 2>talk to your priest about that. Like he's never been married,

716
00:36:27.599 --> 00:36:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Like he's never been an abusive relationship, do you I mean

717
00:36:31.400 --> 00:36:33.559
<v Speaker 2>all these things that he doesn't what was he versus?

718
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Like you know a lay minister or like you know

719
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.079
<v Speaker 2>a minister, and they're living the real world and living

720
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:40.920
<v Speaker 2>the real life. So how we say Catholic priests are kind

721
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 2>of like it's still a strange thing to me, like

722
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.760
<v Speaker 2>in this time that we're in, now that they live

723
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:49.519
<v Speaker 2>this almost separate existence from the rest of us.

724
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>So we have the priest, and we also we have Bobby.

725
00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Bobby kind of comes back in to the scene about

726
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.320
<v Speaker 1>this time. Donnie reaches out out to Bobby and says, hey,

727
00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:04.800
<v Speaker 1>let's go to the movie, and Bobby says, forget that,

728
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 1>let's go to the disco. You see the director, Joseph

729
00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Ellison's wife, Ellen as Bobby's wife in this scene, and

730
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:16.119
<v Speaker 1>she's corraling the kids and doing this and that while

731
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:19.000
<v Speaker 1>he's planning a night on the town when he has

732
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.880
<v Speaker 1>these two women to invite to this disco, and you

733
00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 1>know that's so Donnie has to go. If you're going

734
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 1>to the disco. He didn't have any outfits for this disco.

735
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:37.079
<v Speaker 1>In a kind of a Carrie Carry moment, maybe prom shopping,

736
00:37:37.119 --> 00:37:41.440
<v Speaker 1>but not quite not that slapstick or anything. But he

737
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>goes to a store to buy clothes to go to

738
00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:47.000
<v Speaker 1>the disco. And I've seen a lot of people say

739
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:51.039
<v Speaker 1>that the salesperson here really sees the sucker coming and

740
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:52.400
<v Speaker 1>really upsells a lot of stuff.

741
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:53.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

742
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:53.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not so sure.

743
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>What do you think?

744
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.320
<v Speaker 1>First of all, Van Houston, but they did not black

745
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:01.280
<v Speaker 1>out Van Houston like they did Dying and so I

746
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 1>love a Van Houston dress shirt. It's my it's my

747
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:06.519
<v Speaker 1>go to choice for dress shirts.

748
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.920
<v Speaker 2>I think I don't think he sees him as a mark.

749
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.599
<v Speaker 2>I just think that this is just another example that

750
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.639
<v Speaker 2>when Donnie has to deal with normal reality, it's always

751
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:20.000
<v Speaker 2>just a little strange. And it's like he's never when

752
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 2>has he ever worn a dress shirt? Do you know

753
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:24.239
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Like he's mostly where does he go home?

754
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:27.960
<v Speaker 2>And his job? So like this is such an alien place.

755
00:38:28.039 --> 00:38:30.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad they didn't do a pretty woman montage here

756
00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:32.039
<v Speaker 2>where you know he's like coming.

757
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Out and you're like, what about this other he didn't.

758
00:38:34.480 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 1>He was not travel on the Matador, which is now

759
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 1>this red color of a bullfighter's cape.

760
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:44.119
<v Speaker 2>I love that, like, and I lived through this right

761
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.639
<v Speaker 2>because like I remember when I was like five, I've

762
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 2>been five and seventy seven when Disco finally reached the

763
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.840
<v Speaker 2>suburbs right with Saturad Night Fever, and I remember like

764
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 2>every wedding we went to people were wearing like kind

765
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:01.119
<v Speaker 2>of Travalda ish kind of things. And it's amazing that

766
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:03.840
<v Speaker 2>like that happened in America for a while, that guys

767
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:05.920
<v Speaker 2>were encouraged to dress up in today. It's just like

768
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.639
<v Speaker 2>I always thought that, like in the future, we would

769
00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:11.599
<v Speaker 2>have like Jetson's fashions and it's gonna be cargo shorts

770
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>and T shirts for the rest of my one dresses

771
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:18.239
<v Speaker 2>up for anything, And this is like the last gasp,

772
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:19.800
<v Speaker 2>but people dressing up like we're going to go to

773
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:21.920
<v Speaker 2>the club and I'm going to dress like a man.

774
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 1>At Yeah, I think if he had bought that matat

775
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.079
<v Speaker 1>or shirt, that'd have been ridiculous. I think what he

776
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:31.239
<v Speaker 1>wears his fine. That suit is very contrivult ish. I

777
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:32.440
<v Speaker 1>think it looks fine.

778
00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.039
<v Speaker 2>I think it's funny that like music based movies led

779
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 2>to fashion stuff because when I was in middle school,

780
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:45.039
<v Speaker 2>that's when breakdancing was big, right, And but again, my

781
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.639
<v Speaker 2>hometown is like three thousand people in western Pennsylvania, and

782
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.159
<v Speaker 2>the j C Pennies in our town got breakdance stuff

783
00:39:51.199 --> 00:39:53.719
<v Speaker 2>like two years too late. And my grandmother bought me

784
00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>like a cut off shirt that said breakdance across it

785
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and like it didn't have sleeves, and like you know,

786
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.039
<v Speaker 2>I had to wear it to school, and my dad

787
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 2>taught it to school, so of course he'd be there

788
00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:05.239
<v Speaker 2>and see if I wore it or not, and I

789
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:06.719
<v Speaker 2>was just like, I'm going to get my ass kicked

790
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:08.800
<v Speaker 2>if i wear this outfit. So in the same way

791
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.360
<v Speaker 2>like I probably was wearing Miami vice stuff and disco

792
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:14.639
<v Speaker 2>stuff a year after everybody else and getting beat up

793
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 2>for my sartorial choices. So today it's just black T

794
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:17.880
<v Speaker 2>shirts and shorts.

795
00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to mean were you wearing Jams too,

796
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:21.519
<v Speaker 1>You can tell us.

797
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, yeah, Jams specific Yeah, Mike, Well, when

798
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:26.840
<v Speaker 2>when they went out of style, I had the Jams

799
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:28.280
<v Speaker 2>dress shirts. I don't know if you remember they did

800
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 2>dress shirts, and my dad loved them, and he took

801
00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:32.519
<v Speaker 2>them and he was an art teacher and he would

802
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:34.559
<v Speaker 2>wear them. He at least wore them into the early

803
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.920
<v Speaker 2>two thousands, like he loved Jams. I'm waiting for that

804
00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:40.440
<v Speaker 2>trend to come back. Also, you had to tuck your

805
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:41.960
<v Speaker 2>remember you had to tuck your t shirt into the

806
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.159
<v Speaker 2>pockets that people would see. Oh, I'm definitely wearing Jams

807
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.280
<v Speaker 2>like I'm not. These aren't knockouts that I got.

808
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, my mom used to make them for me, you know,

809
00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:53.800
<v Speaker 1>because by the brand name James. Why buy them when

810
00:40:53.800 --> 00:41:00.199
<v Speaker 1>you can make them so. Yeah, this lady at the disco,

811
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.159
<v Speaker 1>she seems really into Donnie and she's trying to get

812
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:06.920
<v Speaker 1>him out there on the dance floor. Yeah, unfortunately there

813
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:08.719
<v Speaker 1>is a poorly placed candle.

814
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, this scene is the most upsetting scene

815
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:15.719
<v Speaker 2>in the entire movie to me, right, uh it is.

816
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:18.599
<v Speaker 1>It is very memorable. Something to do to this is

817
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:22.519
<v Speaker 1>that initial flamethrower scene and this one she is pulling him.

818
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.480
<v Speaker 2>It's on the back of the severn box like it is.

819
00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:28.599
<v Speaker 2>I know this is a visual podcast, but like it says,

820
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>you've been worn on the back of he and there's

821
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 2>just a woman's head on fire. Those candles have always

822
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 2>upset me, those like jelly kind of candles, and I'm

823
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 2>like that, why did they wet those out? And this

824
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:40.880
<v Speaker 2>movie totally tells me, Like in the same way you

825
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:43.239
<v Speaker 2>were upset about breaking down on a road as a kid,

826
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.400
<v Speaker 2>I was like, somebody's had is gonna get explode, and

827
00:41:46.480 --> 00:41:49.039
<v Speaker 2>this movie like shows you what happens.

828
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I still feel that way. At Christmas at a candlelight

829
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:55.559
<v Speaker 1>service where the women their hair so hair sprayed, these

830
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 1>little children, they give these little children a candle and

831
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 1>they're just not aware of where they're placing this candle.

832
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:05.639
<v Speaker 1>And I just always fear every year that someone's hair

833
00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:09.119
<v Speaker 1>is gonna go up and flams, just like in this movie.

834
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:12.400
<v Speaker 2>I think we've reached the point where and I don't

835
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:14.239
<v Speaker 2>know if your wife buys as many candles as mind.

836
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.519
<v Speaker 2>My wife is like bad beath beyond in body Works,

837
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 2>gold Member of candles. There's more candles in this house

838
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:24.760
<v Speaker 2>in the Catholic church, and it's insane and I will

839
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:27.599
<v Speaker 2>not touch them, like I am afraid of fire, because

840
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:31.440
<v Speaker 2>I've watched this movie enough that I you know, my

841
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.000
<v Speaker 2>head could I have long air, My head could explode

842
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:34.599
<v Speaker 2>at any moment.

843
00:42:34.719 --> 00:42:37.800
<v Speaker 1>So luckily, my wife is very sensitive to sense, so

844
00:42:37.880 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 1>we have so that is one fear I do not have.

845
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, but why was she trying to pull

846
00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>him over this railing in the first place to get him?

847
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Why didn't she walk around? I'm not trying to victim

848
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:50.599
<v Speaker 1>blame here, but no.

849
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:54.320
<v Speaker 2>No, anyway, just imagine like in the hospital she's like, well,

850
00:42:54.360 --> 00:42:56.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was like if she survives, and she's like,

851
00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.320
<v Speaker 2>I was just trying to dance with this weird with

852
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:01.400
<v Speaker 2>drawn in so guy, I tried to pull him over

853
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:03.239
<v Speaker 2>the legend and my whole head caught on fire.

854
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:07.960
<v Speaker 1>And he he really has a mental break here because

855
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.800
<v Speaker 1>he grabs that candle and shoves it in her head

856
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and it immediately catches on fire. And this is this

857
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.719
<v Speaker 1>is another scary moment in real life. I'm sure for

858
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:20.679
<v Speaker 1>that actress because it was an actress in a wig

859
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>and they there were again no special effects. This was

860
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:28.639
<v Speaker 1>real flame on her head on this wig, and she

861
00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>was not harmed. No actresses were harmed. This amazing physically

862
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:35.760
<v Speaker 1>maybe mentally, but yeah.

863
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine like if you go in for a

864
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.039
<v Speaker 2>for your next role and you're like, what what kind

865
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:43.480
<v Speaker 2>of stuff you've been in? Michael? I was in a

866
00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:45.719
<v Speaker 2>movie called The Burning man Ache, Don't go in the

867
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:48.320
<v Speaker 2>House and they set my head on fire with a

868
00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:51.480
<v Speaker 2>candle and a disco like, are you ready to read

869
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:52.000
<v Speaker 2>for your part?

870
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Reading for some Shakespearean role.

871
00:43:57.719 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I think the difference with this in Maniac is like

872
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 2>he even if he got one of these girls, like

873
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:06.840
<v Speaker 2>there's no sexual interest whatsoever for him. Ye, Like he's

874
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.239
<v Speaker 2>just like I've just said her on fire, it's cool.

875
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm I don't need to have sex with her, and

876
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and it's versus like I think Joe Spinell was kind

877
00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:17.639
<v Speaker 2>of like, yeah, all of it, and he's sweaty and

878
00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:21.480
<v Speaker 2>ready to go, and and he's just like, I don't

879
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:22.880
<v Speaker 2>my mother would not like that.

880
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:29.719
<v Speaker 1>So after that he Donnie very swiftly leaves the disco

881
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:32.599
<v Speaker 1>very fast. He doesn't run, it's a very fast walk

882
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:37.119
<v Speaker 1>to leave. And the girl's brother finds out he They

883
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:40.079
<v Speaker 1>have an altercation in the parking lot, but Donnie gets

884
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:42.480
<v Speaker 1>out of that, gets in his truck and goes back

885
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:47.079
<v Speaker 1>to the house. And well, on the way to the house,

886
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:50.320
<v Speaker 1>he picks up a couple more women and I can't

887
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:55.000
<v Speaker 1>exactly remember what their trouble was. They needed a ride

888
00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 1>and end up back in the house. Again they should

889
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>not go into the house, but it kind of leads

890
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:05.159
<v Speaker 1>to me, really the final one, maybe the scariest moment

891
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.519
<v Speaker 1>of all, and it's the way that Ellison shoots this.

892
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 1>Is that the one. I guess there's a blonde and brunette.

893
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm terrible with character names, by the way, We'll just

894
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:16.400
<v Speaker 1>say that up front. And it's like, I know, Donnie

895
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.800
<v Speaker 1>and movie, there was a movie, and by because I

896
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:22.519
<v Speaker 1>wrote it down, I don't write it down. I'm not

897
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.800
<v Speaker 1>remember there was a movie I watched. It was called

898
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:28.480
<v Speaker 1>gosh see, I don't even remember what the movie is now,

899
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Once It's Not Enough. It's based on the Sidney Sheldon book.

900
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.079
<v Speaker 1>I was watching it because Brenda Vcaru was in it.

901
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I just watched The House by the Lake. Oh yeah,

902
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:42.760
<v Speaker 1>and she's in that. And that was another thing when

903
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I was like, it's like, man, this actor, she's really

904
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:47.199
<v Speaker 1>good in House by the Lake. It was like, what

905
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:49.280
<v Speaker 1>else was she in? I was like, she was nominated

906
00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:52.159
<v Speaker 1>for an Oscar before this for this movie Once is

907
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Not Enough? Which is this like Sidney Sheldon soap opera,

908
00:45:56.079 --> 00:46:00.199
<v Speaker 1>Kurt Douglass. It's crazy anyway. Kurt Douglas's daughter's name that

909
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.400
<v Speaker 1>movie is January, and I will if I have dementia,

910
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget because they say her name seven hundred

911
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 1>times in that movie. They just keep saying January Genuy.

912
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 2>I really worry, uh because my dad had to mension

913
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.519
<v Speaker 2>and would like sometimes thought he was sixteen and would

914
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.519
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't can figure out how I was his son

915
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.920
<v Speaker 2>looking as old as I do. And I worry that

916
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:24.880
<v Speaker 2>when I have dementia, I'm gonna think that people are

917
00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:27.280
<v Speaker 2>characters from Italian movies where I would just be like,

918
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.159
<v Speaker 2>where is black Emmanuel and my wife would be like,

919
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 2>please stop it, like just stop it, and I'm like,

920
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:35.199
<v Speaker 2>I can't help it. My dad did tell me the

921
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:37.559
<v Speaker 2>best part of having it was that every show was

922
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:40.119
<v Speaker 2>new all the time. He said to me. Once watching Murder,

923
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:41.760
<v Speaker 2>she wrote, He's like, I know I've seen this one.

924
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.159
<v Speaker 2>He's like, but I don't know what happens, and he goes.

925
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 2>And if there's anything positive about where I'm at right now,

926
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:49.519
<v Speaker 2>it's this. I Every show's new to me. Everything's new,

927
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.360
<v Speaker 2>everything's new. I could find a whole bunch of new shallow.

928
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:53.519
<v Speaker 2>I could do this epistroke.

929
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I already felt that way now when I watch Jalla

930
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.199
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, oh, I don't remember if I rewatched one.

931
00:46:58.239 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't remember who.

932
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Watched Lizard a Woman's Skin at the drive in and

933
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Bill asked me, He's like, is she the killer? And

934
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't really think that's important. I really

935
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:08.840
<v Speaker 2>just think it's the journey that we take. And also

936
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a bat attack in that movie that's awesome, and uh,

937
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.239
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm here for. Like the vibes, it's like

938
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:15.599
<v Speaker 2>when you go to a bar and you're like, I

939
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:17.880
<v Speaker 2>want the ambience of sin, like when you're in a

940
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:19.880
<v Speaker 2>bar or strip club. That's kind of what a jalloh

941
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:21.320
<v Speaker 2>is to me. It's just like, ah, it's kind of

942
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 2>scuzzy here, like that's anger.

943
00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:23.239
<v Speaker 1>Who cares?

944
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:23.719
<v Speaker 2>Who cares?

945
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Who did it? That's not really what that's not here.

946
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:27.880
<v Speaker 2>It's the same way as David Lynch was like that

947
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:29.559
<v Speaker 2>with Twin Peaks, where I love at the end of

948
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:34.400
<v Speaker 2>the season, people are like regular America and the Yeah,

949
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:36.320
<v Speaker 2>A TV guide was like, who killed Wara Palmer And

950
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:39.760
<v Speaker 2>he's like, oh, is that what about? It's really not about.

951
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:43.400
<v Speaker 1>That to me, and I love watching it in through

952
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:46.280
<v Speaker 1>that lens of it. It's not that's not about who

953
00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:48.679
<v Speaker 1>did It's about these characters. You know. It's like it's

954
00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:53.119
<v Speaker 1>basically like Northern Exposure. But yeah, with the murder subplot.

955
00:47:53.039 --> 00:47:55.159
<v Speaker 2>I just remember people in school talking about it and

956
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.440
<v Speaker 2>being so angry about it, like upset people so much.

957
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:00.880
<v Speaker 2>They're just like, is he to get to the point?

958
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:04.039
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I hope not. I love it

959
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.000
<v Speaker 2>like I you know, I was totally in for whatever happened,

960
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Like I had the diary and I had like all

961
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 2>the audiobook and all this stuff. I was like, I

962
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:15.119
<v Speaker 2>love that this world exists. And they probably hated the

963
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:20.320
<v Speaker 2>last season, which goes into places that you're not ready for. Yeah.

964
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Uh, like I said, we're here for a hang. We

965
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:24.920
<v Speaker 1>just want a good hang. We don't we don't care

966
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:25.920
<v Speaker 1>about a whole lot of.

967
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.559
<v Speaker 2>Them, even if the person we're hanging with is setting

968
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:32.719
<v Speaker 2>random women on fire and discos and uh talking to

969
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:36.679
<v Speaker 2>his dead mom, like, or who are we to judge? Yeah,

970
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:37.639
<v Speaker 2>who are we to judge?

971
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I don't remember these girls, these characters' names.

972
00:48:40.519 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 1>There's there's the brunette is already put into the room,

973
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the still room, and the blonde friend is going up

974
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:52.000
<v Speaker 1>the stairs looking for and this is this show really

975
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.239
<v Speaker 1>took me back because he has the camera place at

976
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the foot of the stairs. I guess there's a landing,

977
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:57.920
<v Speaker 1>but you know, there's a foot of the stairs, and

978
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.719
<v Speaker 1>she's climbing up the stairs and she turns to the left,

979
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:03.719
<v Speaker 1>and then you the cameras stationary, and then from the

980
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:07.639
<v Speaker 1>right you see Donnie Cross across come across there. If

981
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>you're watching this in nineteen teventy nine, that has to

982
00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:11.239
<v Speaker 1>be super scary.

983
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I always try to put myself in

984
00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:16.719
<v Speaker 2>characters shoes too. So the fact that she's looking for

985
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:19.360
<v Speaker 2>her friend, she's in a house. That's a horrifying thing

986
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:21.320
<v Speaker 2>to me is being in a house, especially as a kid,

987
00:49:21.360 --> 00:49:23.480
<v Speaker 2>Like when you'd stay at someone's house and you're like,

988
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what's in this house? Do you know

989
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:27.400
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Like, I don't. I haven't like memorized

990
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:28.000
<v Speaker 2>the layout of it.

991
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm not say, And that was a big house, Like what, yeah,

992
00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:33.800
<v Speaker 1>so that was the Strauss Mansion where you have some

993
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:36.920
<v Speaker 1>information about that the setting of that house.

994
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's in Atlantic Highlands, New Jersey, and uh

995
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.320
<v Speaker 2>it was built in eighteen ninety three, and it was

996
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:46.159
<v Speaker 2>obviously fogging into decay as you can tell from the movie.

997
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:49.480
<v Speaker 2>But uh, it was going to be condemned in Allen Hamill,

998
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:53.920
<v Speaker 2>who you know is the director's wife, secured it and

999
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:57.119
<v Speaker 2>then after the movie the local historical society restored it.

1000
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:01.119
<v Speaker 2>What I love is most historical societies are obviously very stuffy.

1001
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:03.440
<v Speaker 2>They showed this movie every year and invite people to

1002
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:08.480
<v Speaker 2>watch it at Halloween, and it's like they're fundraiser. I

1003
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:10.960
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine that people come to the fundraiser. It'd be like,

1004
00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:14.039
<v Speaker 2>what a fun movie, What an enjoyable time at the

1005
00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:16.360
<v Speaker 2>But there's another movie, What Lives Here, that was made

1006
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.800
<v Speaker 2>last year. A junk removal company is hired to clean

1007
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.440
<v Speaker 2>out a mansion. But The Sinister Pass was also filmed

1008
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.920
<v Speaker 2>at the Strauss Mansion. But this is the thing that

1009
00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I love about these regional films is they're really succeeded

1010
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.639
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times based on the location that they find.

1011
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.320
<v Speaker 2>And this is like a location that isn't built, do

1012
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:35.920
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like a Hollywood location, they

1013
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.440
<v Speaker 2>would just build these rooms and they do like a

1014
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:40.840
<v Speaker 2>b roll shot of a house, you know, or they'd

1015
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:42.920
<v Speaker 2>find the same house. You've seen a bunch of movies

1016
00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:45.639
<v Speaker 2>seeing this house and like how big it is. It's

1017
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:47.199
<v Speaker 2>on the poster, do you know what I mean? Like

1018
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:50.079
<v Speaker 2>it's a major plot point, Like this this house is

1019
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.000
<v Speaker 2>like terrifying to come to and he's the only person

1020
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:56.440
<v Speaker 2>living in it, along with you know, a rapidly growing

1021
00:50:56.480 --> 00:51:00.480
<v Speaker 2>collection of burned up bodies and a dead mom somewhere.

1022
00:51:01.360 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 1>How cold do you think it was in that house?

1023
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.239
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, you can see their breath. Oh it

1024
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:07.480
<v Speaker 1>had to be the worst.

1025
00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially too like when it comes to filming, there's

1026
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:12.559
<v Speaker 2>so much of like hurry up and wait stuff, So

1027
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.599
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine. And you know, there was I don't

1028
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 2>think there was craft services if anything, people at the

1029
00:51:17.559 --> 00:51:20.920
<v Speaker 2>thermos of coffee. Maybe it just looks yeah, like I said,

1030
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:22.760
<v Speaker 2>this does not look like a fun movie to film.

1031
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:29.280
<v Speaker 1>No, no, So I guess. We get to the finale, Bobby,

1032
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:34.400
<v Speaker 1>after dispatching with the woman who's at the disco's hair

1033
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.800
<v Speaker 1>had caught on fire, runs to the church, grabs the priest.

1034
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 1>They go back to try to help them again. They

1035
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:43.440
<v Speaker 1>are doing the most to help Donnie. If the friend

1036
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.360
<v Speaker 1>I came with said someone there on fire, I don't

1037
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:48.039
<v Speaker 1>know if I'd be going. Yeah, I can't say I'm

1038
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:53.239
<v Speaker 1>that kind of a friend, I guess. But the priest

1039
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:56.400
<v Speaker 1>in Psycho, there is a There are a lot of

1040
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Psycho references here, one of them being here at the

1041
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:03.440
<v Speaker 1>end where the priests going up the stairs and Donnie

1042
00:52:04.039 --> 00:52:07.519
<v Speaker 1>meets him. He's in his asbesta suit with the flame

1043
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:11.840
<v Speaker 1>there were like Norman Bates in his mother's dress, and

1044
00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:19.400
<v Speaker 1>you know the priests. The priest gets flamed. Yeah, everyone

1045
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:24.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of leaves and Donnie's left with those corpses and

1046
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:27.599
<v Speaker 1>the two women get rescued. Everyone's gone, and it's just

1047
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Donnie with the corpses who spring to life. And according

1048
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:33.760
<v Speaker 1>to the book, these people are not the same actresses.

1049
00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Who were they. They got skinnier actresses, right, Yeah, they

1050
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.639
<v Speaker 1>got ballet dancers because Joseph Ellison was big and he

1051
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:43.760
<v Speaker 1>had worked with a ballet company and he wanted as

1052
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:46.840
<v Speaker 1>the bodies as days went on, the bodies would dehydrate

1053
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 1>lose water, so they would be smaller. But you know,

1054
00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:55.119
<v Speaker 1>the intent being that audiences would think these were Mannquins

1055
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:58.440
<v Speaker 1>the whole time, but they're not their actual actresses, and

1056
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.719
<v Speaker 1>they spring to life and they attack Donnie, similar to

1057
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the Endomaniac. Of course, it's it's.

1058
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:09.480
<v Speaker 2>So close, isn't it. Yeah, it's versus Like Frank Zita

1059
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:14.519
<v Speaker 2>seems to have a deeper relationship with the the court,

1060
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:16.679
<v Speaker 2>like he talks to them about I love the one speech,

1061
00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 2>whereas like I told you what happens when you go out,

1062
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:23.440
<v Speaker 2>like this happens every time. This has happened before. But yeah,

1063
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:26.159
<v Speaker 2>like I think the other thing interesting about both movies

1064
00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:29.960
<v Speaker 2>is there's really not a final girl. Like the the

1065
00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:33.039
<v Speaker 2>dead corpses and the I guess symbolize the guilt, and

1066
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.000
<v Speaker 2>in both movies they finally get to him. Though there

1067
00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:37.880
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be a maniac too, which is an

1068
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:42.360
<v Speaker 2>even crazier story. But uh, I don't know who was

1069
00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:44.199
<v Speaker 2>like begging for him to come back like you loved

1070
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:46.079
<v Speaker 2>them in the first one. And then you know, if

1071
00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:48.920
<v Speaker 2>we followed the traditional slash recycle by the fourth movie,

1072
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:50.639
<v Speaker 2>he'd be funny and cracking jokes.

1073
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:51.599
<v Speaker 1>Well that's a fire pun.

1074
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, have some fire scarecrow and like, you know,

1075
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:58.440
<v Speaker 2>the woman's out on fire, and like, oh, I love him.

1076
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:02.519
<v Speaker 2>He's such a such a misunderstood boy. No, he's not,

1077
00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:05.000
<v Speaker 2>like he's a horrible person, Like at least this movie

1078
00:54:05.679 --> 00:54:10.400
<v Speaker 2>does not allow you to empathize or be excited. Like

1079
00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:14.079
<v Speaker 2>even as a slasher gorehound kid, I would always be like,

1080
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:17.440
<v Speaker 2>why are why do people love Freddy so much? Like

1081
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:20.920
<v Speaker 2>he is at best a child abuser, at worst a

1082
00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:25.079
<v Speaker 2>child pedroist, and we're like, oh, he's funny. I guess

1083
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:27.039
<v Speaker 2>sense of humor goes a long way, you know.

1084
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:30.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, once he puts those shades on at the beach

1085
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 1>in part yeah, that that doesn't I think.

1086
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Also when he calls this is the horrible part of

1087
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:39.480
<v Speaker 2>our society. Once he starts calling women bitch, they're like, oh,

1088
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:42.719
<v Speaker 2>that's funny. He's talking down to these women. So I

1089
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.880
<v Speaker 2>think that's the difference between this and Maniac is that

1090
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:46.760
<v Speaker 2>there's a ton of women in this movie that were

1091
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.800
<v Speaker 2>in vital production roles like Ellen hamilcover At the screenplay,

1092
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 2>produced it, Janekerson edited it. Sarah Wood was the art director.

1093
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Dianson said it was production manager. Monica Lang was the

1094
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:59.920
<v Speaker 2>second unit. So this wasn't like an all guy cast,

1095
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.599
<v Speaker 2>So it feels like maybe that helped. Even though this

1096
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:05.360
<v Speaker 2>is a movie about women getting killed, like it's never

1097
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:08.400
<v Speaker 2>like presented as like these women had a coming or

1098
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:09.679
<v Speaker 2>they were you know that.

1099
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:11.119
<v Speaker 1>This is like it was just wrong place at the

1100
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:14.119
<v Speaker 1>wrong time, which is very similar to what was going

1101
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:16.079
<v Speaker 1>on in the landscape in the seventies of women being

1102
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:17.480
<v Speaker 1>in the wrong place at the wrong time. With these

1103
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:18.760
<v Speaker 1>with the Ted Bundy's and.

1104
00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:21.039
<v Speaker 2>The versus Maniac, a lot of it is and I

1105
00:55:21.079 --> 00:55:22.719
<v Speaker 2>love Maniac, so don't get me wrong, but a lot

1106
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:24.960
<v Speaker 2>of it's like, oh, these are fallen women and he's

1107
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:28.159
<v Speaker 2>killing prostitutes, and it's like, you know, versus like these

1108
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:30.400
<v Speaker 2>women aren't these are just women trying to buy a

1109
00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:32.800
<v Speaker 2>two letter forest, you know, yeah, right, the florest and

1110
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:36.679
<v Speaker 2>what what had the victims together? They all love Coca Cola,

1111
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:41.039
<v Speaker 2>only in two laters, though they liked a hot two

1112
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.400
<v Speaker 2>later of Coca Cola, and just upset in because his

1113
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:44.880
<v Speaker 2>mother used to burn his hand.

1114
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.840
<v Speaker 1>And made him drink hot flat coke that had been

1115
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:48.920
<v Speaker 1>sitting in the car for.

1116
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Two days coming from advertising. The craziest story is doctor

1117
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Pepper was upset that people weren't buying Doctor Pepper over

1118
00:55:57.880 --> 00:55:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Christmas at one point. And if you know this, and

1119
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:01.760
<v Speaker 2>they came up with the recipe for like a hot

1120
00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:04.719
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Pepper that head clothes and lemons in it. It's

1121
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:08.079
<v Speaker 2>I've made it. It's horrible. But they literally had TV

1122
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:10.440
<v Speaker 2>commercials like it's almost Christmas and that means it's time

1123
00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:13.000
<v Speaker 2>for a hot Doctor Pepper. Doctor Pepper has stuff in

1124
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:14.480
<v Speaker 2>it that is not made to be hot, like you

1125
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:16.639
<v Speaker 2>got to make it super cold to make it drinkable.

1126
00:56:17.039 --> 00:56:19.119
<v Speaker 1>And I like it. I can't think of any soft

1127
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.000
<v Speaker 1>drink hot that.

1128
00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:24.639
<v Speaker 2>Would be it, right, But they were like, you know,

1129
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:27.559
<v Speaker 2>how do we make something better in the winter. Let's

1130
00:56:27.760 --> 00:56:30.880
<v Speaker 2>let's throw some pop on the stove. I couldn't piping

1131
00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:34.760
<v Speaker 2>hot burners or.

1132
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Then serve it next to your jello mold and camento

1133
00:56:37.320 --> 00:56:38.000
<v Speaker 1>cheese sandwich.

1134
00:56:38.800 --> 00:56:40.559
<v Speaker 2>We need to bring back this Gell and Woltz. I

1135
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:43.480
<v Speaker 2>imagine that our killer's mom made like the kind of

1136
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:45.280
<v Speaker 2>jello that had like fish and stuff at it, and

1137
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:47.519
<v Speaker 2>he was like, I can't wait till she's gone.

1138
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.199
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and I wonder he's jumping up and down

1139
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:54.800
<v Speaker 1>on furniture, and so at the very end we get

1140
00:56:54.840 --> 00:56:58.679
<v Speaker 1>a codea kind of a public service announcement square.

1141
00:56:58.719 --> 00:56:59.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm real.

1142
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Of this child. I guess he just wasn't listening to

1143
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:06.599
<v Speaker 1>his mother. I don't know his mother was. She's on

1144
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:09.280
<v Speaker 1>a she's out of ten, she is fed up, she's

1145
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:12.360
<v Speaker 1>had enough, and she just comes in and just slaps

1146
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:16.199
<v Speaker 1>this poor kid around. And then the freeze frame on

1147
00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:21.199
<v Speaker 1>the kid of kind of uh, this is he's gonna

1148
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:23.039
<v Speaker 1>be the next Donnie. He's gonna take up. And that

1149
00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:24.719
<v Speaker 1>could be the don't don't go back in the house.

1150
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Maybe maybe follow that kid and see what's he up

1151
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.760
<v Speaker 1>to now after getting slapped around by his mom. Yeah,

1152
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.519
<v Speaker 1>and then Q struck by boogie lightning.

1153
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:36.239
<v Speaker 2>So what is it?

1154
00:57:36.360 --> 00:57:40.239
<v Speaker 1>What is a better discuss song was a better discus song.

1155
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Struck by Boogie Lightning from Don't Go in the House

1156
00:57:58.559 --> 00:58:16.639
<v Speaker 1>or Belly Boogie form Alty Girl Massacre.

1157
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's a rough one. Oh they're the

1158
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:25.480
<v Speaker 2>same song, this one. I like the phrase that there's

1159
00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:29.840
<v Speaker 2>boogie lightning, that that surmises that there is a form

1160
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.920
<v Speaker 2>of lightning that has achieved sentience and is really good

1161
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.400
<v Speaker 2>at dancing, and then that leads to the song.

1162
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Uh. We had a guy had work one time, so

1163
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm a pharmacist. We had a guy who came in

1164
00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:46.960
<v Speaker 1>to do like the destructions. Whenever medicines expire, they have

1165
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:48.920
<v Speaker 1>a guy come in or a person come in who

1166
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:51.440
<v Speaker 1>goes through all the destructions and you can get some

1167
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:55.239
<v Speaker 1>credit back for expired medicines. Anyway, that's all boring. So anyway,

1168
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:59.599
<v Speaker 1>we have the radio going and it's it's raining men

1169
00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:02.840
<v Speaker 1>on the radio station, and so the guy's leaving and

1170
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:05.079
<v Speaker 1>he's like, does anybody know what the weather is gonna

1171
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:06.800
<v Speaker 1>be out there? And I said, I don't know, but

1172
00:59:07.000 --> 00:59:10.840
<v Speaker 1>the radio scene is raining men out there. So he

1173
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:12.159
<v Speaker 1>did not think that was funny.

1174
00:59:12.599 --> 00:59:16.000
<v Speaker 2>So I used to wrestle with these guys. Sexual harassment

1175
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:18.440
<v Speaker 2>was their gimmick, and when they would come out, the

1176
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:21.159
<v Speaker 2>announcer would say, I've just been handed a note from

1177
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:25.400
<v Speaker 2>the National Weather Service and like, uh urgent storm warning,

1178
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:26.639
<v Speaker 2>and you know, people are like, oh, do we have

1179
00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:28.599
<v Speaker 2>to leave the wrestling show and go home? And then

1180
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:30.880
<v Speaker 2>it's raining. Men would start and people would lose their

1181
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:33.559
<v Speaker 2>minds screaming at them. They would just be so upset

1182
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:34.719
<v Speaker 2>that the song was playing.

1183
00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know they property were supposed to be screaming

1184
00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:40.159
<v Speaker 1>because you're so excited about I know, right if they

1185
00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:41.440
<v Speaker 1>should have used Boogie Lightning.

1186
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Also, I'm sure they were like, can we use this

1187
00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.400
<v Speaker 2>one furno for this movie? But is that two on

1188
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:45.880
<v Speaker 2>the nose?

1189
00:59:46.239 --> 00:59:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what it would be? Two on the notes?

1190
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:49.599
<v Speaker 1>I think yeah, too much.

1191
00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:51.400
<v Speaker 2>If you see in some of the movies we're gonna

1192
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:53.760
<v Speaker 2>watch like they just didn't worry. They're like, yeah, just

1193
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:56.440
<v Speaker 2>use that song. No one will ever know. The Astrologer

1194
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:58.840
<v Speaker 2>is my favorite, where he used like six Moody Blues

1195
00:59:58.840 --> 01:00:01.960
<v Speaker 2>songs and then sent them Moody Blues a bill and said, hey,

1196
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:04.039
<v Speaker 2>this is for being in my movie. That's why you

1197
01:00:04.079 --> 01:00:05.559
<v Speaker 2>can't find it. That's why you're gonna go to the

1198
01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:07.519
<v Speaker 2>Internet archive. Uh, to get it.

1199
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:14.199
<v Speaker 1>So that's that's the end of Don't Go in the House. Yeah.

1200
01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:16.079
<v Speaker 1>One thing about this podcast that I really want to

1201
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:18.000
<v Speaker 1>do is to be able to go through the book

1202
01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:20.280
<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna say and actually read it instead of

1203
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:22.880
<v Speaker 1>just having it on my shelf. So you know, I

1204
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:24.679
<v Speaker 1>tried to read it. I was like when I first

1205
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:26.440
<v Speaker 1>got us, like, I'm going to read this cover to cover.

1206
01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:28.639
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, You're not going to read this book

1207
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:30.760
<v Speaker 1>cover to cover. But if you do it film by film,

1208
01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:32.960
<v Speaker 1>you can you can really digest it that way. So

1209
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I really had a good time reading this. There's a

1210
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:40.079
<v Speaker 1>whole chapter devoted to this movie, and so some things

1211
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:43.519
<v Speaker 1>I learned was that the director Joseph Ellison studied acting

1212
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:49.400
<v Speaker 1>under Lee Strasburg. As did the actor play Donnie Dan Grimaldi? Uh,

1213
01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:54.719
<v Speaker 1>you have any thoughts on the Strasburg acting method.

1214
01:00:55.280 --> 01:00:57.559
<v Speaker 2>It's interesting though, It's like I wonder if they did

1215
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:00.280
<v Speaker 2>use the method for this, and then also did he

1216
01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:03.280
<v Speaker 2>stay in character? Did Grimaldi stay characters of all the time?

1217
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:05.719
<v Speaker 2>This was not a character I'd want to stay and

1218
01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:08.320
<v Speaker 2>it'd be that the it had to be a short shoot.

1219
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:10.519
<v Speaker 1>The shoot could have lasted too long, so at least

1220
01:01:10.519 --> 01:01:14.199
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't be too long. Another thing was that all

1221
01:01:14.239 --> 01:01:17.079
<v Speaker 1>of the dialogue was was sinked or dubbed back in,

1222
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:21.280
<v Speaker 1>like they didn't have actual, you know, on set recording,

1223
01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:25.039
<v Speaker 1>but Ellison had like that was his dream job, I think,

1224
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:28.719
<v Speaker 1>was to dub Italian movies, which I mean there was

1225
01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:30.239
<v Speaker 1>plenty of jobs to be had doing that.

1226
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:33.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and and those movies were made to be

1227
01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:36.119
<v Speaker 2>shot like this without you know, the Tower Babbel kind

1228
01:01:36.159 --> 01:01:38.760
<v Speaker 2>of thing where people were all speaking their own languages

1229
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:42.440
<v Speaker 2>or some people would just literally say numbers instead of

1230
01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:45.199
<v Speaker 2>saying dialogue, and they would because they knew it didn't

1231
01:01:45.239 --> 01:01:46.679
<v Speaker 2>matter what was going to get said.

1232
01:01:48.400 --> 01:01:52.480
<v Speaker 1>The director was he might have been cast in The Crazies.

1233
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:54.360
<v Speaker 1>We're going to talk about The Crazies in a second,

1234
01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:57.840
<v Speaker 1>But do you know what role is?

1235
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:02.519
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know. That's amazing to like be like

1236
01:02:02.639 --> 01:02:04.719
<v Speaker 2>almost in it. It's kind of like how Savini was

1237
01:02:04.760 --> 01:02:07.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna be involved with Neither Living Dead but had to

1238
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:09.559
<v Speaker 2>go to Vietnam. It's always like kind of like WHOA,

1239
01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:12.239
<v Speaker 2>what would have happened? You know?

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01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was down to three actors and he was

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01:02:15.840 --> 01:02:17.599
<v Speaker 1>one of them, and he was working for a ballet

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01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:20.039
<v Speaker 1>company at the time, and he said he couldn't leave

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01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:25.599
<v Speaker 1>this for sure job for a potential job, so he did.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing to like late sixties, early seventies to be

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01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:31.639
<v Speaker 2>it seemed like a time when people are like, oh yeah,

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01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:33.079
<v Speaker 2>that sounds cool and they just go and do it,

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01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:35.960
<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean, versus like actually having

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<v Speaker 2>a job and working through it. So it worked. I

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01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:40.400
<v Speaker 2>think it worked out for him.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Ellison met his wife Ellen, who we've talked

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01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:48.880
<v Speaker 1>about while he was scouting a location scout for Toga Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Any Milligan did inserts for it must have been Pelvis

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<v Speaker 1>first and then Milligan put in inserts for Toga Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Ellison says he never met He doesn't never remember

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01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:01.960
<v Speaker 1>meeting Milligan. And I have to think if you met Milligan,

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01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:04.039
<v Speaker 1>you would remember, right, you would.

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01:03:03.880 --> 01:03:08.159
<v Speaker 2>You would remember. Uh. He probably yelled at you if

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01:03:08.159 --> 01:03:09.760
<v Speaker 2>you met you know what I mean. I imagined he

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01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:11.199
<v Speaker 2>was ill tempered. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about the original treatment was it was called

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01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:17.920
<v Speaker 1>The Burning Man, and they were going to shorten it

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01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.920
<v Speaker 1>to the Burning but of course there was already a

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<v Speaker 1>movie in production that was using advertising for The Burning

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01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:27.559
<v Speaker 1>which was Meer Maxis the Burning Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Which they the movie that my video stort did not have,

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01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:35.079
<v Speaker 2>So it became this mythical I need to see this movie,

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01:03:35.079 --> 01:03:37.280
<v Speaker 2>and it didn't live up to at first. It's a

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01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:38.639
<v Speaker 2>movie that the first time I saw it, I was like,

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01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:42.360
<v Speaker 2>this is it? The effects are great though against the

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01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:45.000
<v Speaker 2>being the effectsor that's why you watched.

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01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.199
<v Speaker 1>It, it sounds like really the only changes I made

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01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:50.400
<v Speaker 1>was it was a lot more ethnic of that New Jersey,

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01:03:50.440 --> 01:03:52.400
<v Speaker 1>New York area where they kind of took some of that.

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01:03:52.679 --> 01:03:56.800
<v Speaker 2>It was more like my hometown where the Italians were, hey,

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01:03:57.480 --> 01:03:59.320
<v Speaker 2>it's by this is a joke my own time you

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01:03:59.320 --> 01:04:01.480
<v Speaker 2>say hey Tony and like fifty dudes turn around want

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01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:01.920
<v Speaker 2>to fight you.

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01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:05.480
<v Speaker 1>That's a that's my hometown city. Do you have any

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01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:06.880
<v Speaker 1>other notes on this movie.

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01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:09.519
<v Speaker 2>I have a bunch of some of the people involved.

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01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 2>The screenplay and original story comes from Joe Maysfield, who,

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01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:17.440
<v Speaker 2>interesting enough, after this movie did the sound editing for

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01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Evil Dead, and he was involved in a ton of

1284
01:04:20.679 --> 01:04:23.480
<v Speaker 2>sound editing of films like Alone in the Dark, not

1285
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:27.119
<v Speaker 2>to Owey Bowl movie, the nineteen eighty two slasher Savage JN,

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01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:30.960
<v Speaker 2>an early Viner Syndrome release, and he did special effects

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01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:33.840
<v Speaker 2>on the opening of Misty Beethoven, which I love.

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01:04:34.679 --> 01:04:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Wait wait, waitit what what special you said special effects

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01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:41.079
<v Speaker 1>in the opening? What special effects on there Beethoven.

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01:04:41.360 --> 01:04:45.199
<v Speaker 2>He may have done the I don't know what he did.

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01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:46.920
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot cut out of that movie. If you

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01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:49.599
<v Speaker 2>buy the DVD version today, there's stuff that still is

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01:04:49.639 --> 01:04:53.239
<v Speaker 2>not maybe legal, that is in the original and uh, yeah,

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01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:56.199
<v Speaker 2>it's a good movie. Though it's a Radley Metzker It's yeah,

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01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:58.719
<v Speaker 2>that's like the it's the fans. That's like the mel

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01:04:58.840 --> 01:05:02.920
<v Speaker 2>was how do you say the other Centro monda melosine. Yeah,

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01:05:03.119 --> 01:05:06.320
<v Speaker 2>that's like, oh, that's I like we had we as

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01:05:06.360 --> 01:05:09.039
<v Speaker 2>film geeks have to be like, that's not porn, that's art.

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01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:11.239
<v Speaker 1>It's like me trying to my wife to get the

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01:05:11.280 --> 01:05:13.920
<v Speaker 1>golden age of erotic cinema exactly.

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01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.239
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, she's like, is this movie porn? No,

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01:05:16.360 --> 01:05:20.599
<v Speaker 2>it's erotic, it's it's Misty Beethoven and a cinema. Yeah,

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01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:21.360
<v Speaker 2>it's cinema.

1304
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Also Behind the Green Door they talk about this on Maud.

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01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:25.199
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:30.079
<v Speaker 2>He did production work on Sin You Centers, another early

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01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:33.280
<v Speaker 2>adult film, and also Teenage Mother, which is one of

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01:05:33.280 --> 01:05:36.519
<v Speaker 2>my favorite trailers of all time. Uh, she's nine months

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01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:42.440
<v Speaker 2>of trouble, teenage mother h this. FBI got involved and

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01:05:42.480 --> 01:05:45.360
<v Speaker 2>picked this up, so Edward Montorro was also involved. The

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01:05:46.400 --> 01:05:50.280
<v Speaker 2>insane man who distributed Grizzly Beyond the Door in Great

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01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:53.199
<v Speaker 2>White and then disappeared in nineteen eighty four taking all

1313
01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:56.159
<v Speaker 2>the money from FBI. Never found. Some people think he's

1314
01:05:56.159 --> 01:05:56.679
<v Speaker 2>in Mexico.

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01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:01.480
<v Speaker 2>There's also Matthew Mallinson who was the associate producer. He

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01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:04.920
<v Speaker 2>directed Fist of Fear, Touch of Death and also went

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01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.320
<v Speaker 2>on to edit. Speaking of the kind of movies we love,

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01:06:09.360 --> 01:06:11.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of Worth Keeters movies like Tales from the

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01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Third Dimension in three D Unmasking the Idol. But it's

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01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:17.920
<v Speaker 2>wild to me. I don't know if you noticed this.

1322
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:21.360
<v Speaker 2>How many people in here did amazing things like Skip Levitski,

1323
01:06:21.400 --> 01:06:24.360
<v Speaker 2>who's the sound editor, won the Academy Award for Gravity,

1324
01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:28.159
<v Speaker 2>and as of twenty twenty six, he worked on fourteen

1325
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Best Picture nominated films. He's worked on all the Cohen

1326
01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Brothers stuff, Goodfellows, Casino, Do the Right Thing, No Country

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01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:37.400
<v Speaker 2>for Old Men, Silence of the Lamps. But this is

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01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:39.519
<v Speaker 2>where he started. He just did Marty Supreme was the

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01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:42.920
<v Speaker 2>last movie he was nominated for, so there's like a

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01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:45.559
<v Speaker 2>lot of really great people. The camera operator Ken Kelch

1331
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:50.519
<v Speaker 2>who he worked on all able for ours movies. Also

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01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:52.320
<v Speaker 2>he shot Last House in the Left and Spooky, so

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01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:54.039
<v Speaker 2>there's a little like here there, you know.

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01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think, and that's part of what makes this

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01:06:56.480 --> 01:06:59.840
<v Speaker 1>movie so good is that all these people have come

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01:06:59.880 --> 01:07:05.039
<v Speaker 1>together and it's a good you know this. The craftsmanship

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01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:07.280
<v Speaker 1>behind this movie is just outstanding.

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01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.679
<v Speaker 2>And this is the weirdest role that I found for somebody.

1339
01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Tom Brumberger, who's one of the effects guys. He did

1340
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:20.360
<v Speaker 2>effects for tons of stuff, Christmas, Evil Girls, Night Out, Santa,

1341
01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:22.760
<v Speaker 2>and The Ice Cream Bunny, which is an obsession movie

1342
01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:25.960
<v Speaker 2>for me. He did the Thumbollina short within that he

1343
01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:28.519
<v Speaker 2>did the effects. But after this movie he also did

1344
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't Sleep, which is Alfred Soul who did a comedian

1345
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:35.159
<v Speaker 2>It's the adult movie that Alfred sold made before Alic Sweet, Alice, Communion,

1346
01:07:35.239 --> 01:07:38.000
<v Speaker 2>whatever we want to call it. But his job after

1347
01:07:38.039 --> 01:07:41.079
<v Speaker 2>this movie was he became Olympia Ducaucus's official makeup person.

1348
01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:44.960
<v Speaker 2>So every Olympia Ducaucus movie after like nineteen eighty five

1349
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:47.960
<v Speaker 2>eighty six, he's he did her makeup. He was the

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01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:50.039
<v Speaker 2>only person that she would allow to do her makeup.

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01:07:50.599 --> 01:07:52.920
<v Speaker 1>So let me tell my Still Magnolia's story.

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01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Of please I love this.

1353
01:07:56.239 --> 01:08:01.079
<v Speaker 1>Because Still Magnolia's filmed a naked Ish Louisiana, which is

1354
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:03.559
<v Speaker 1>about an hour from where I live, which is also

1355
01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.000
<v Speaker 1>where Screams of a Winter Night was filmed. We'll get

1356
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:09.760
<v Speaker 1>to that at some point. And so, just talking about

1357
01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:13.320
<v Speaker 1>screenings within a house, they turned the house I guess

1358
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:15.960
<v Speaker 1>two houses were used in Still Magnolia's, but one of

1359
01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:17.960
<v Speaker 1>the houses that they use they turned into a bed

1360
01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:20.439
<v Speaker 1>and breakfast and my wife and I stayed there and

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01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:23.159
<v Speaker 1>you can go and they would screen I say screen

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01:08:23.239 --> 01:08:25.760
<v Speaker 1>the film. They put it in a VCR or DVD

1363
01:08:25.920 --> 01:08:28.920
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and you could watch Still Magnolia's in the

1364
01:08:29.079 --> 01:08:31.520
<v Speaker 1>house where they filmed Still Magnolia and there's really nothing

1365
01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:34.239
<v Speaker 1>like nothing else like that. That's just a great experience

1366
01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:37.039
<v Speaker 1>because you see Julia Roberts coming down the staircase and

1367
01:08:37.079 --> 01:08:39.199
<v Speaker 1>you look in there. It's the staircase right there, and

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01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:42.720
<v Speaker 1>it's if you ever get a chance to experience, no

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01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:46.239
<v Speaker 1>matter what the movie is, a screening of a film

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01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:48.880
<v Speaker 1>at the location where they filmed. I'd say jump on

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01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:49.600
<v Speaker 1>it if you can.

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01:08:50.359 --> 01:08:53.680
<v Speaker 2>We did Children of the corn in the Cornfield, which, uh,

1373
01:08:54.800 --> 01:09:00.239
<v Speaker 2>just a little advice post doing that. Don't get high.

1374
01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:04.000
<v Speaker 2>It'll get real disconcerted really quick. You're like, oh, fuck,

1375
01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:06.239
<v Speaker 2>that is where the cornfield is. Also, Courtney Gains was

1376
01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:08.319
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be there but couldn't make it. And if

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01:09:08.439 --> 01:09:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Malchi had been there during it, I probably wouldn't be

1378
01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:12.680
<v Speaker 2>here today. I'd probably be too freaked out.

1379
01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:14.760
<v Speaker 1>But the coolest'll be looking for he who walks behind

1380
01:09:14.800 --> 01:09:19.079
<v Speaker 1>the room wondering this cornfield I watched.

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01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:21.199
<v Speaker 2>We got to see Silver Bullet in the house where

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01:09:21.199 --> 01:09:23.000
<v Speaker 2>it was made, and the lady who owns the house

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01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.479
<v Speaker 2>today had never seen it, so she sat with my

1384
01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:28.119
<v Speaker 2>wife while we watched it. She's like, this is pretty fun.

1385
01:09:29.319 --> 01:09:32.439
<v Speaker 2>And we spent like two days looking for Silver Bullet locations.

1386
01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:33.199
<v Speaker 2>It was pretty fun.

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01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's always great. And that's one thing about these

1388
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:38.319
<v Speaker 1>regional films is that you can find these places. It's

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01:09:38.359 --> 01:09:40.279
<v Speaker 1>not I mean a lot of them are in California

1390
01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:43.199
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, but they're sprinkled all across the nation of

1391
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:43.880
<v Speaker 1>these films.

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01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:47.239
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, there's a if you come to Pittsburgh, I

1393
01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:49.239
<v Speaker 2>can take you to a ton of them, obviously, there's

1394
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:52.920
<v Speaker 2>so many. The last fact that I found is Simon Knuckturn,

1395
01:09:53.119 --> 01:09:56.479
<v Speaker 2>who's thanked in this. He was the president of August Films.

1396
01:09:56.560 --> 01:09:59.880
<v Speaker 2>He's the guy that did the marketing for Snuff the

1397
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:03.199
<v Speaker 2>took an Argentina film and had the finlies makes up.

1398
01:10:03.439 --> 01:10:05.840
<v Speaker 2>He also going to direct a lot of adult but

1399
01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:09.439
<v Speaker 2>Savage Dawn, an early Vinegar Syndrum release, and Silent Madness,

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01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:13.279
<v Speaker 2>the three D slasher. But I guess he gave them

1401
01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:16.439
<v Speaker 2>a lot of production resources for this. But his the

1402
01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:18.760
<v Speaker 2>movies he worked on are crazy. He worked on King

1403
01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:22.800
<v Speaker 2>Frat and Emma Daughter's Dug Band Christmas and Bloodsucking Freaks.

1404
01:10:23.800 --> 01:10:25.920
<v Speaker 2>I get it, Like my resume looks kind of wild too,

1405
01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:27.960
<v Speaker 2>like the places I worked, But I didn't work on

1406
01:10:28.000 --> 01:10:31.159
<v Speaker 2>a Jim Henson puppet film for HBO and also Super

1407
01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:34.800
<v Speaker 2>Infoman and Ganja and Hess Like that's a that's a crazy.

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01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Like you did a lot of stuff, sir, like.

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01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Couding, there's nothing you can't at that.

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01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:42.319
<v Speaker 2>Point exactly, It's like I did the American dialogue for

1411
01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Super Infoman. Let me just throw money at you for

1412
01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:49.000
<v Speaker 2>an autograph at that point. But how did you feel

1413
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.520
<v Speaker 2>about it? Did you appreciate more this time watching it

1414
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:53.640
<v Speaker 2>after doing a deep dive into the book and the

1415
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:55.359
<v Speaker 2>commentary stuff like did I did?

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01:10:55.439 --> 01:10:57.039
<v Speaker 1>And I really liked it the first time. I didn't

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01:10:57.039 --> 01:10:59.000
<v Speaker 1>see this until probably the Severn discs came out, so

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01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:01.000
<v Speaker 1>that was there or four years ago. I've given it

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01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:02.680
<v Speaker 1>four and a half stars in and I really liked it,

1420
01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:05.600
<v Speaker 1>and I probably liked it even more this time, I

1421
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:08.800
<v Speaker 1>would say, just because I could really appreciate again looking

1422
01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:13.039
<v Speaker 1>at it from this was Ellison's first feature film, and

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01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:17.640
<v Speaker 1>it's just amazing that you know, how well made of

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01:11:17.680 --> 01:11:18.439
<v Speaker 1>a film it is.

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01:11:19.640 --> 01:11:21.439
<v Speaker 2>I think the only negative you can say to it

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01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:23.680
<v Speaker 2>is it kind of Some people, like you said, might

1427
01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:26.479
<v Speaker 2>think it slows down in the second act, but there's

1428
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:29.680
<v Speaker 2>certainly stuff coming that is going to blow your mind again.

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01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:32.399
<v Speaker 2>And I think that this if this movie only had

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01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:34.600
<v Speaker 2>the two big shocks in it, it would still be

1431
01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:37.520
<v Speaker 2>a big success. But I think that it's like it

1432
01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:40.119
<v Speaker 2>comes together really well for being a first movie. Did

1433
01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:41.760
<v Speaker 2>you have you seen Joey the other movie?

1434
01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was gonna ask, no, I've not seen.

1435
01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I want to check it because I want to see

1436
01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:49.359
<v Speaker 2>like how he is, what he learned from it, and

1437
01:11:49.399 --> 01:11:51.119
<v Speaker 2>if it's a better film.

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01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:54.199
<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure it's in rights. There's no way you

1439
01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:57.600
<v Speaker 1>can get the rights for all the music that's used.

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01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's I'll probably have to go to the cave

1441
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:05.800
<v Speaker 2>of forgotten films. You go to the cave of forgotten

1442
01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:08.199
<v Speaker 2>films and you get an ad for something that's insane,

1443
01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:10.640
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I have never fought more scene in

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01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:14.079
<v Speaker 2>my film watching us. I always tell people are like,

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01:12:14.079 --> 01:12:16.760
<v Speaker 2>how did you find this movie? And then because a

1446
01:12:16.800 --> 01:12:18.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of people demand, like you know, they need like

1447
01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:21.079
<v Speaker 2>a seven release or they need like a four K release,

1448
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:23.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, oh, I watched it on a Russian

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01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:26.560
<v Speaker 2>hack site with someone screaming the dialogue in Russian over

1450
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.560
<v Speaker 2>top of it with hard coded subs with three languages,

1451
01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and the quality was horrible. It was a great movie,

1452
01:12:32.239 --> 01:12:33.279
<v Speaker 2>do you know what I mean? But it's like, if

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01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:36.079
<v Speaker 2>you want to find a movie like Joey like sometimes

1454
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:38.800
<v Speaker 2>that's what you're gonna do. Like, You're not gonna find

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01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:40.600
<v Speaker 2>a pristine copy of these things.

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01:12:41.159 --> 01:12:42.600
<v Speaker 1>What would you say? It was a good double feature?

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01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I know you talked about Maniac and the New York Cripper.

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01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:47.279
<v Speaker 1>What would you pair this one with?

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01:12:47.640 --> 01:12:51.520
<v Speaker 2>I would I'm thinking Alice Sweet Alice is a good

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01:12:51.560 --> 01:12:54.840
<v Speaker 2>one for this because there's a fire death. It is

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01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:58.000
<v Speaker 2>very upsetting early in the film, and also like the

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01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Catholicism ties and also the New York New Jersey kind

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01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:07.039
<v Speaker 2>of just grunginess of it. That's also like a very

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01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:11.359
<v Speaker 2>dark movie. We showed Bill showed it. Uh he did

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01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:17.479
<v Speaker 2>a triple feature of the Day After Halloween, Pieces and

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01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Alice Sweet House once at a theater and uh, as

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01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:23.800
<v Speaker 2>you can imagine, Pieces brought the house down there. You know,

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01:13:24.239 --> 01:13:26.279
<v Speaker 2>people are like that movie does not stop, Like that's

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01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:28.319
<v Speaker 2>not one where the second actle is that it is

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01:13:28.840 --> 01:13:31.640
<v Speaker 2>quote the tagline, exactly what you think it is. But

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01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.239
<v Speaker 2>like Alice Sweet Alse upset people so bad and uh

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01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:38.479
<v Speaker 2>the end, like the people that are essentially good in

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01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:42.479
<v Speaker 2>it all either get killed or get destroyed by it.

1474
01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:44.359
<v Speaker 2>And it's like wow, Like what a rough movie. And

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01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.680
<v Speaker 2>it feels like it fits into this What would.

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01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Your pick be for for a double So I was

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01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:53.159
<v Speaker 1>gonna watch The Dark because they mentioned that in night Mare,

1478
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:56.119
<v Speaker 1>U say that that was a double feature that don't

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01:13:56.119 --> 01:13:58.680
<v Speaker 1>go to the house played with was the Dark and

1480
01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:01.520
<v Speaker 1>it's all Amazon. Par I started watching it and it

1481
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:05.920
<v Speaker 1>is dark because in I can't see what is happening

1482
01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:08.720
<v Speaker 1>other than there's some lasers.

1483
01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:12.079
<v Speaker 2>It feels like a coal Jack episode without coal Jack.

1484
01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:14.880
<v Speaker 2>That's how I described the Dark. And also like Toby

1485
01:14:14.920 --> 01:14:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Hooper was supposed to direct it, and this is like

1486
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:21.600
<v Speaker 2>that phase of his career. Was like, no, he's not

1487
01:14:21.600 --> 01:14:24.359
<v Speaker 2>gonna direct, he's gotten fired already. Also, it's like they

1488
01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:25.880
<v Speaker 2>weren't sure that is it going to be aware? What

1489
01:14:26.119 --> 01:14:28.960
<v Speaker 2>is it going to be? An alien? Like what's the creature? Like?

1490
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.159
<v Speaker 2>The Dark is messy, but I kind of like that.

1491
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:33.359
<v Speaker 2>It's like the Manitude too, like those kind of movies

1492
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:34.760
<v Speaker 2>were were like, what is this thing?

1493
01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll see because it's it's in the book. It's

1494
01:14:37.560 --> 01:14:40.680
<v Speaker 1>in that. It's its own capsule review entry. So I

1495
01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:42.119
<v Speaker 1>was like, well, we'll get to that. We'll get to it.

1496
01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:45.399
<v Speaker 1>We'll get to it eventually. So I said, well, this

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01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:48.520
<v Speaker 1>movie reminds me so much a Psycho. Let me rewatch Psycho.

1498
01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:51.079
<v Speaker 1>But I watched the gust Fan's end Psycho.

1499
01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:53.600
<v Speaker 2>I have it and I've never watched it.

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01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:54.520
<v Speaker 1>You've never seen it?

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01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.760
<v Speaker 2>No, No, I have. I got it for a dollar

1502
01:14:57.800 --> 01:15:00.119
<v Speaker 2>and I haven't watched it. And I'm like, but my

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01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:02.800
<v Speaker 2>wife loves it. She thinks it's great because she doesn't

1504
01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:04.119
<v Speaker 2>have any experience with your original.

1505
01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:07.800
<v Speaker 1>What I was thinking was that don't go in the house.

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01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:10.319
<v Speaker 1>It flopped at the time, and it's kind of had

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01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:12.880
<v Speaker 1>a revisionous history about it, where now it's kind of

1508
01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:15.119
<v Speaker 1>more of a cult classic, and I think it's time

1509
01:15:15.239 --> 01:15:17.399
<v Speaker 1>for the gust Fan and Psycho to have that sort

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01:15:17.439 --> 01:15:22.640
<v Speaker 1>of renaissance revisionist history potentially, And it's not it's not.

1511
01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:24.680
<v Speaker 2>You might get thrown off letter box for saying that

1512
01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:26.720
<v Speaker 2>that's a brave statement.

1513
01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:29.960
<v Speaker 1>I think. I think people are coming around and I'm

1514
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:32.159
<v Speaker 1>not good. Uh, this is not a hill I want

1515
01:15:32.159 --> 01:15:34.680
<v Speaker 1>to die on, for sure, the gust Fans ant Psycho.

1516
01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:41.479
<v Speaker 1>But watching it now, most people will say why why

1517
01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:43.760
<v Speaker 1>why did he do this? You know, there's this is

1518
01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:47.039
<v Speaker 1>no point in doing this, And I think the point

1519
01:15:47.159 --> 01:15:50.119
<v Speaker 1>is just he takes everything the same and just like,

1520
01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:52.039
<v Speaker 1>let's see what it would be if we did it

1521
01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:54.520
<v Speaker 1>with this set of actors in this way, and that

1522
01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:57.920
<v Speaker 1>is it's an interesting experiment that doesn't necessarily work, and

1523
01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:00.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the actors sound like they're just reading

1524
01:16:00.239 --> 01:16:03.159
<v Speaker 1>lines and not didn't have any characters. But some of

1525
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:07.199
<v Speaker 1>it does work. Like I think when Vince Vaughn comes

1526
01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:10.079
<v Speaker 1>in to clean up after mother, and it's probably because

1527
01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:13.479
<v Speaker 1>there's no dialog again that scene, Yeah, and no shades

1528
01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:16.920
<v Speaker 1>of Vince Vaughn. It's just a physical performance. And that

1529
01:16:17.079 --> 01:16:19.279
<v Speaker 1>was the problem I had with him, was that you know,

1530
01:16:19.359 --> 01:16:23.119
<v Speaker 1>whenever they're in the parlor, he's reading lines and it

1531
01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:26.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make much sense. But it's not a great movie.

1532
01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:28.880
<v Speaker 1>It's not as bad as maybe people would lead you

1533
01:16:28.920 --> 01:16:32.239
<v Speaker 1>to believe, as long as you look at it as

1534
01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:37.319
<v Speaker 1>an experiment. And I remember watching it, well, we went

1535
01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:39.279
<v Speaker 1>to the movies and saw it whenever it came out.

1536
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:43.680
<v Speaker 1>And there's a scene where he like puts van Zant

1537
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:48.399
<v Speaker 1>puts in these inserts of like when Arba Gass gets

1538
01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:51.319
<v Speaker 1>killed on the staircase as he saw them. There's almost

1539
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:56.039
<v Speaker 1>subliminal shot of this woman in a mask and a

1540
01:16:56.079 --> 01:16:59.279
<v Speaker 1>cow in the road. And well, my friends like, what's

1541
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:02.079
<v Speaker 1>why is there a like? And I have no, I

1542
01:17:02.079 --> 01:17:04.199
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I have no answers for you, But I don't.

1543
01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Think I had the White Horse and Halloween too, the

1544
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:08.640
<v Speaker 2>rob Zombie Halloween too, where it's like and then it

1545
01:17:08.680 --> 01:17:10.359
<v Speaker 2>comes up on the screen where he tells you exactly

1546
01:17:10.399 --> 01:17:10.920
<v Speaker 2>what it means.

1547
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:14.239
<v Speaker 1>So there's no you have no contact. But it's like, okay,

1548
01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:20.079
<v Speaker 1>so that's I would say Psycho nineteen ninety whatever eight

1549
01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and then don't go in the house.

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01:17:22.279 --> 01:17:25.039
<v Speaker 2>Wow, it's a bold double feature. I like one.

1551
01:17:25.199 --> 01:17:28.399
<v Speaker 1>So what I picked this one. We're gonna rotate picks.

1552
01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:30.520
<v Speaker 1>So what's going to be our next pick?

1553
01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:35.479
<v Speaker 2>The Crazies? Right, it's the next one. And The Crazies

1554
01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:37.479
<v Speaker 2>is very near and near to my heart. I'm from

1555
01:17:37.520 --> 01:17:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Elwood City, PA. Evans CITYPA, which is thirteen or fourteen

1556
01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:43.319
<v Speaker 2>miles away is where The Crazies was as a kid

1557
01:17:43.600 --> 01:17:46.920
<v Speaker 2>when they would play it on chill or theater. I'm like,

1558
01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:49.319
<v Speaker 2>I have seen all these places and I've driven past them,

1559
01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:52.079
<v Speaker 2>and oh my god, this is what's going to happen. Also,

1560
01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:54.119
<v Speaker 2>like if you grew up in we're very close to

1561
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:55.720
<v Speaker 2>the same age. I think if you grew up in

1562
01:17:55.720 --> 01:17:59.479
<v Speaker 2>the eighties, you were constantly sure that a nuke or

1563
01:17:59.520 --> 01:18:01.560
<v Speaker 2>some kind of is going to wipe the world out

1564
01:18:01.800 --> 01:18:04.119
<v Speaker 2>post the day after, and The Crazies has that kind

1565
01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:09.319
<v Speaker 2>of vibe. It's a good test run for Donna the Dead,

1566
01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:12.840
<v Speaker 2>but it has its own beautiful parts to it. I

1567
01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:15.359
<v Speaker 2>will only refer to it as code named Trixie, not

1568
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:16.800
<v Speaker 2>the Crazies of course.

1569
01:18:17.399 --> 01:18:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's I have seen this one, but it's

1570
01:18:19.760 --> 01:18:21.560
<v Speaker 1>been a while, I guess, and I first saw it

1571
01:18:22.199 --> 01:18:26.439
<v Speaker 1>post pandemic, so that's an an interesting viewpoint if you've

1572
01:18:26.439 --> 01:18:29.800
<v Speaker 1>seen it before the pandemic, I'm sure. So we'll get

1573
01:18:29.840 --> 01:18:31.159
<v Speaker 1>into all of that in the next time.

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01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:33.159
<v Speaker 2>There's a remake too, if you want to do homework

1575
01:18:33.199 --> 01:18:34.079
<v Speaker 2>and watch the remake.

1576
01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Spoiler alert, I've I'm working ahead, so I have already

1577
01:18:38.479 --> 01:18:42.159
<v Speaker 1>watched both of these movies, so we have some things

1578
01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:42.760
<v Speaker 1>to say about.

1579
01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:46.119
<v Speaker 2>I always end up buying the remakes because I find them.

1580
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:48.680
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing like swimming in a Walmart five dollars bin

1581
01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:51.000
<v Speaker 2>to find movies and I'm like, oh, well, you know,

1582
01:18:51.159 --> 01:18:53.479
<v Speaker 2>I don't need the Craziest, but I have the original.

1583
01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:56.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'll get Yeah, I about Billy Jack at

1584
01:18:56.720 --> 01:18:57.319
<v Speaker 1>the five dollars.

1585
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:02.880
<v Speaker 2>I got the box set there for five bucks at Walmart.

1586
01:19:02.920 --> 01:19:06.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, yeah, it is. June's Ploitation is right around

1587
01:19:06.520 --> 01:19:08.079
<v Speaker 1>the corner. I don't know when this episode is going

1588
01:19:08.119 --> 01:19:10.920
<v Speaker 1>to drop, so it's probably already passed, but I'll be

1589
01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:13.079
<v Speaker 1>watching that. It's part of June's ploitation. At least it's

1590
01:19:13.079 --> 01:19:14.760
<v Speaker 1>on my list right now. If we're going from Don't

1591
01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:17.520
<v Speaker 1>Go in the House to The Craziest and Joseph Ellison again,

1592
01:19:17.560 --> 01:19:20.560
<v Speaker 1>it was almost casting it Crazies. Crazies also has a

1593
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:22.720
<v Speaker 1>guy and in a suit with a flame thrower.

1594
01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:25.600
<v Speaker 2>The Crazies is a movie that I want more people

1595
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:28.720
<v Speaker 2>to see, actually, all the old Ramera stuff like I love.

1596
01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:31.119
<v Speaker 2>I just did a podcast about Season of the Witch.

1597
01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:35.359
<v Speaker 2>I love that movie. I don't like There's always Vanilla. Okay,

1598
01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:38.920
<v Speaker 2>that one I won't defend, But like Night Riders, everything

1599
01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:43.279
<v Speaker 2>up until probably the Dark Half, I'm very into when

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01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:45.640
<v Speaker 2>it comes to Ramera stuff, And you know what I

1601
01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:47.079
<v Speaker 2>feel like, at some point I'm going to have to

1602
01:19:47.079 --> 01:19:50.560
<v Speaker 2>reevaluate movies like Bruiser and stuff like that, and I'll

1603
01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:54.600
<v Speaker 2>get there, you know. But a lot to say about

1604
01:19:54.600 --> 01:19:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Pittsburgh and Evans City and knitting needles and very upsetting

1605
01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:01.760
<v Speaker 2>things that happen in the Crazies.

1606
01:20:02.920 --> 01:20:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay, great, I can't wait to talk about it. So

1607
01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:07.680
<v Speaker 1>join us next time and we'll be talking about the Crazies.

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01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:13.520
<v Speaker 1>By y'all, I've got another.

1609
01:20:14.279 --> 01:20:17.479
<v Speaker 2>If you like, let us, thank you.

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01:20:16.600 --> 01:20:19.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to get out right here,