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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geo Politics.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you doing good? A lot going on in

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<v Speaker 3>the world and I'm getting ready to travel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah again.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, this is uh, this is gonna be an

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<v Speaker 3>interesting conversation today for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you said, a lot happened. Uh, it's literally like

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<v Speaker 2>it all happens within like twenty four hours of itself.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like it just piles on. We know, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>right now what's going on. We see that the ceasefire

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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza seems to be collapsing. Let's start with Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>fuck it because it's like the most most like the

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<v Speaker 2>most prescient. I guess yesterday the State Department released unnoticed

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<v Speaker 2>or a statement or whatever saying that Hamas had violated

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<v Speaker 2>the ceasefire because they were planning an attack on Palestinians

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<v Speaker 2>today in the morning. As we're recording, it's ten forty

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<v Speaker 2>eight am Sunday, nineteenth Eastern where Israel started bombing. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe they hit Rafa and I believe they hit Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>City just recently too. They also closed the Rafa crossing

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I think that was yesterday. What's the deal?

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<v Speaker 2>Question that I asked to make offline was why would

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<v Speaker 2>the US State Department announce it and not Israel announce it?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it to like for cover for like a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more like you know, see, we're not just doing

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<v Speaker 2>this ourselves, you know, laterally like the you know, US

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<v Speaker 2>is backing us, like just for like a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of cover. You what's your take? Where are you at

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<v Speaker 2>with this? So?

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, I think that we might see an

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<v Speaker 3>announcement today unfortunately from Israel about the restarting of combat operations.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's it's it's somewhat breaking down. I think the

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<v Speaker 3>US made the statement, don't know, but we are the

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<v Speaker 3>ones that coordinated it. It's statements specifically to the guaranteurs

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<v Speaker 3>of the ceasefire agreement that was signed in Charlmel Shake.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's one reason. And the other one is President

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<v Speaker 3>Trump has said we many times. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 3>means he's gonna insert US forces into Gaza, but it

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<v Speaker 3>might be that he's trying to be, you know, strategically ambiguous,

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<v Speaker 3>whereas a moss doesn't know that he's not talking about

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<v Speaker 3>land in the you know, a mew on the coast

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<v Speaker 3>of gazam right. So I don't know. But this is

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<v Speaker 3>first of all, it's it would be horrible. This conflict

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<v Speaker 3>needs to come to an end. Thank goodness, we got

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<v Speaker 3>the hostages out, but there's also a dire humanitarian situation

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<v Speaker 3>in Gaza, which could be alleviated. I just got a

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<v Speaker 3>note that there's one hundred and ninety thousand metric tons

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<v Speaker 3>of food ready to go into Gaza. So it's not

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<v Speaker 3>for a lack of food, it's for a lack of

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<v Speaker 3>getting it to the people who need it. And we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to hit the winner here in a month, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's only going to get worse. So we everybody should

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<v Speaker 3>want this pathlic to come to an end, but it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't look like it's going to do that. And one

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<v Speaker 3>of the reasons is the same reason why it started.

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<v Speaker 3>Right it's hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah uh, as far as like the aid goes one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred ninety thousand tons or pounds, you know it was

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<v Speaker 2>it tons you.

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<v Speaker 3>Said ton tons?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a fuck ton of aid as far as

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<v Speaker 2>that goes. Has that stopped as well? Like since the

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<v Speaker 2>Rafa crossing got closed, and now that the cease fire

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be going as ship is that now kai bosh,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they're not delivering aid anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>So from what I've seen, they started strong, right, like

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<v Speaker 3>nine hundred trucks went in, Like seven hundred trucks went in.

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<v Speaker 3>And now because of this issue with the non uh

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<v Speaker 3>you know, produce of the deceased tossages bodies, which seems

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<v Speaker 3>like it would have been part of the negotiation process

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<v Speaker 3>they like.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think said they had they had delivered some right,

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<v Speaker 2>like I think just yesterday delivered too as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but it seems like part of the negotiation process

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<v Speaker 3>would be and you actually deliver on what you're promising.

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<v Speaker 3>So if it's deliberate, then that's obviously a breach of

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<v Speaker 3>the of the agreement. If it's they don't even know

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<v Speaker 3>where they are, well they knew they didn't know where

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<v Speaker 3>they were when they made the agreement. Yeah, no either way.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of that, and now it looks like there's attacks

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<v Speaker 3>AGAINSTI the f forces in Gaza. It looks like they're

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<v Speaker 3>going to cut the aid, yeah, to three hundred trucks

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<v Speaker 3>a day. So it's supposed to be six hundred on

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<v Speaker 3>the agreement, and they're going to cut it to three hundred,

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<v Speaker 3>which is not adequate.

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<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, not good. What's interesting is like, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand why AID needs to be tied to any

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<v Speaker 2>of this. It's so insane to me. I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 2>been through it a bunch. Also, like it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>feels like the whole ceasefire show in Egypt when they

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<v Speaker 2>signed was kind of like for a show, to be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>because like Nan Yahoo wasn't there, No Hamas representatives were there,

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<v Speaker 2>So was it even a ceasefire that like people were

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<v Speaker 2>really behind by the two combatants, because I mean obviously

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas gave up, gave back the twenty hostages, plus did

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<v Speaker 2>some deceased hostages as well. Israel's got to know that

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<v Speaker 2>the majority of those other dead hostage are likely under

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<v Speaker 2>the rubble, along with like probably one hundred thousand Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we were just this was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>set up to fail from the get go, and like

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<v Speaker 2>Israel did whatever they could to get the hostages back,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's great, but if you're Hamas and like, part

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<v Speaker 2>of the deal was also disarming, I guess, even though

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<v Speaker 2>like there was also some mixed back and forth in

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<v Speaker 2>reports on in news reports saying that they didn't agree

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<v Speaker 2>to it, they did agree to it, Like it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem like this was a completely fleshed out thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>like Israel said, yeah, we'll take the hostages back, and

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<v Speaker 2>like Hamas literally, besides their aks and stuff, have no

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<v Speaker 2>leverage whatsoever at this point, and Israel's really it's not

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<v Speaker 2>really holding Israel back in terms of like they could

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<v Speaker 2>just come back and level Gaza if they want. Now

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<v Speaker 2>there's no hostages.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they weren't really holding back before that. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the long pole in the tent of this agreement has

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<v Speaker 3>always been the disarming of the Moss it's obvious that's

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<v Speaker 3>what Israel would require any country and their position would

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<v Speaker 3>require the issue. Of course is Hamas ceases to be Hamas.

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<v Speaker 3>They're a terrorist organization without the ability to cause terror, right, So,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's a good thing for the rest of the world,

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<v Speaker 3>but for them to look at it from their perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>they're essentially agreeing to end which would be a complete

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<v Speaker 3>and utter defeat. Right, they have been defeated. But and

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<v Speaker 3>so is all of Iron's proxies for the most part,

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<v Speaker 3>except for maybe some of those hoothies up the mountains

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<v Speaker 3>and the oven. But they have they have really strategically miscalculated.

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<v Speaker 2>Is a polite way of saying, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm as did. But it's not just that. It's also

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that they're despised in Gaza, this concept that

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<v Speaker 3>they're like the freedom fighters at all, the Palestinians rally behind. Hell, no,

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<v Speaker 3>they kill Palestinians all the time. The former head Sinoar

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<v Speaker 3>was known as the Butcher of Conunists for butcher and

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<v Speaker 3>Palestinians in Conmunists, right, So, and you can see the

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<v Speaker 3>videos and then just summarily executing people that they don't like.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot of other there's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>in Gaza who really don't like AMAS. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of armed groups really don't. They come as if they disarmed,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be an island.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, they're fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Fine with me, but you know, from again from their perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from aspective of human survival, Yeah, it's like, why

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<v Speaker 2>would I fucking do this? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So that's where that's where I'm afraid. It's made

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<v Speaker 3>bright down is and there's no stability force that I've

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<v Speaker 3>seen being set up to go in. So the alternative

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<v Speaker 3>to the IDF right now appears to be nothing unless

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<v Speaker 3>I'm missing something, and I hope I an't. There's also

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<v Speaker 3>some reporting that, you know, the Egyptians have been training

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<v Speaker 3>a Palestinian security force, so not a multinational force, but

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<v Speaker 3>a Palestinian security force. I don't know if they're ready

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<v Speaker 3>to go into the middle of this, which could be

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<v Speaker 3>a giant civil war, right right, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 3>they just might be one of they might be the

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<v Speaker 3>good guys, but they might just be one of many

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<v Speaker 3>armed groups fighting in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>Yah, there's a vacuum, right, A vacuum is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be there, and someone's going to want to fill it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and it's going to be the strongest will survive

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<v Speaker 3>in the case of Gaza, And unfortunately, the innocent civilians

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<v Speaker 3>are going to pay the price, and it's going to

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<v Speaker 3>make it even more difficult even if Israel opened up

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<v Speaker 3>all the gates and all the food. If there's I

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<v Speaker 3>counted four three major groups other than a moss Actually,

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's more than that, but four major groups

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<v Speaker 3>that are armed and ready to fight and gossip.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, what are those groups?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, let's see, I can't remember the names up top

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<v Speaker 3>of my head. Send in a car they are, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I can send you away.

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<v Speaker 2>All like Islamic or like.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of them are. Some of them are just

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<v Speaker 3>came together, so they're the name of the families.

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<v Speaker 2>Mostly, I see.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so there's one of them that just means like

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<v Speaker 3>a student, but that all the rest of them are families.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think of Abu this and Abu that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>And I think some of them are set up just

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<v Speaker 3>to protect their own Like if you know this, if

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<v Speaker 3>this happened to New York City, you'd probably you know,

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<v Speaker 3>get the militia of Brooklyn to defend.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm not saying they're good or bad. They're just like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this is the way Mad Max happens. And

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<v Speaker 3>then some of them pray on you know, innocent civilians.

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<v Speaker 3>So and then some of them are Islamic based, like Amas,

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<v Speaker 3>and some.

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<v Speaker 2>Are like gang based, I should say, like criminals essentially

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<v Speaker 2>criminal gangs and stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, some of them are cri middle gangs. Some reportedly

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<v Speaker 3>or you know, supported by Edge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's true, but you can see

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<v Speaker 3>it in the you know, the media reporting. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if actor or not, but you know, from irregular warspective,

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<v Speaker 3>that's I'm something. I'm sure they at least considered it,

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<v Speaker 3>not not did.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just going to say, it's like that makes

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<v Speaker 2>sense for them to I kind of you know, do

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<v Speaker 2>that all right, so quick quick Google search and you

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<v Speaker 2>correct me if I'm wrong. Obviously, TAMAS, Palestinian Islamic Jihad,

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<v Speaker 2>the Popular Front for a Liberation of Palestine, and the

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<v Speaker 3>Right, there's more than that, and there's ones that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>look like are named after probably the you know, militia leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think there was I remember we spoke about it,

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<v Speaker 2>probably a couple of months ago, the guy down south,

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<v Speaker 2>we definitely spoke about it. So yeah, it's a ship

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for lack of a better word, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>going to take over next? Like I can't see free

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<v Speaker 2>and fair elections happening anytime soon.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, it does. I mean again, the plan

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's it's going to be a hard slug because

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<v Speaker 3>this really hang up is a just demlitarization of Hamas

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<v Speaker 3>what just happened. And you know, there's there's also and

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's also so Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the UAE

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<v Speaker 3>came out and said, if they don't de militarize, we're

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<v Speaker 3>the lynchpin right here, demailitaration. They have offered them amnesty

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<v Speaker 3>and save passage out of Gaza, which tells me that

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<v Speaker 3>they addressed the situation of them disarming. We'll just have

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Yeah, I mean I would think they

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<v Speaker 2>would want that like negotiated and like set up logistically

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I would think, I mean, that's what I

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<v Speaker 2>because like the targets on your back and like lists

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<v Speaker 2>and covert wise, you know, the targets on your back.

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<v Speaker 2>It is what it is. I don't give a shit

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<v Speaker 2>if every single one of them gets clipped, as long

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<v Speaker 2>as like women and children stop getting fucking smoked and

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<v Speaker 2>bombed and starved, Like I don't you know. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>my my liberalism kind of ends, you know what I'm saying, Like, uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, yeah, these they're deplorable, but they we have to

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<v Speaker 3>look at it from thetive only to the extent that

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<v Speaker 3>it ends the conflict. So if they have to line

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<v Speaker 3>them up and put a giant barge and they just

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<v Speaker 3>hand in their aks, they get out of barge, and

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<v Speaker 3>then they go to whichever country you would accept them,

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<v Speaker 3>which I imagine is going to be very difficult. Sure is,

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<v Speaker 3>what are you going to do with all these And

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<v Speaker 3>you know when they're gonna get there, they're gonna if

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<v Speaker 3>they go to a rob they're just going to militarize

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<v Speaker 3>them back and send them back out doing bearable ship.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a lot of it's it is as about

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<v Speaker 3>as complex as you can get when it comes to negotiating,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, demilitarization of any kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. Insanely, it sounds insanely complicated. I mean, the last

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<v Speaker 2>two years we've just been really talking about is IDF

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<v Speaker 2>and hamas right as being like the chief combatants and

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<v Speaker 2>frankly like they are, but it's like the internal politics

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<v Speaker 2>of gods that sounds like an absolute just just like

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<v Speaker 2>crazy mass of a you know, just lack of a

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<v Speaker 2>better word, clusterfuck Frankly.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember it's only twenty five kilometers like eight kilometers, y.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, jesus, It literally, like you said it before, it

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<v Speaker 2>literally seems like mad max like total anarchy. Man. I

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<v Speaker 2>just wish that like women and children and civilians weren't

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of this shit, because it seems like

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<v Speaker 2>there's only about like maybe thirty thousand even less probably

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<v Speaker 2>like not just Hamas but the rest of the players

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<v Speaker 2>who are in fighting and stuff like that, and like

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<v Speaker 2>totally destroying a place where there's two plus million people,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's it's insane. It's not to really think about

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<v Speaker 2>like the the sheer numbers of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. It is. It's fresh shot, and I used

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<v Speaker 3>to come to an end. People need to get fed.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything that that's in that twenty point plan needs to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>We were and I think the vice presidents get on

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<v Speaker 3>a plane to try to, uh try to make some

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<v Speaker 3>some headway with this, because at least for my hearing,

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<v Speaker 3>it's potential that the idea is really government announces that

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<v Speaker 3>they're essentially going back.

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<v Speaker 2>To come yeah, and I mean to be fair for

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<v Speaker 2>like the you know on the other side, like that

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<v Speaker 2>right wing in the in in that LIQUD party or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>that coalition not just the LACUD party of the Gaviller's

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<v Speaker 2>and the finance minister guy small Tricks. You know, they've

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<v Speaker 2>been coming out and saying publicly like you know, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to keep fifty two percent of Gaza and start

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<v Speaker 2>like settling it and stuff like that, which not optimal obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>with the people in power and stuff like that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just I feel like we were all happy a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks ago. I was kind of cynical obviously, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really surprised that this is happening this way.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's you know, they got the hostage back, which

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<v Speaker 2>is like the it feels like the pressure on the

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli government in power, like then Yahoo and his coalition

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<v Speaker 2>has kind of ceased a little bit, only because like

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<v Speaker 2>they got their living hostages back and some deceased ones.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I think I'm assuming that the Israeli population will

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<v Speaker 2>be less likely to be totally against you know, just

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<v Speaker 2>obliterating whatever is left of Gaza.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, yeah, that was the biggest pressure point on that

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<v Speaker 3>Yahoo internally was the hostages, as you'd expect. But now

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<v Speaker 3>he can say, look, we pulled back to the yellow line,

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<v Speaker 3>we did our part, we started flowing aid. And I

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<v Speaker 3>agree with the age to never be used as margaining

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<v Speaker 3>to warfare, but it is. And then they attacked us,

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<v Speaker 3>so from the Israeli perspective, and they won't release all

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<v Speaker 3>the twenty eight deceased hostages, so it's gonna be a

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<v Speaker 3>lot less pressure on the hand internally, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the only pressure really that's going to be remaining is

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<v Speaker 3>the US and President Trump. And he does have i

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<v Speaker 3>think influence over net and Yahoo that other president's US

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<v Speaker 3>residents really didn't have. So that's probably because he's really

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<v Speaker 3>popular in Israel. So I mean, but is that going

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<v Speaker 3>to be enough? And you know, if Hamas or any

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<v Speaker 3>of these other groups keep attacking Israel, nobody's going to

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<v Speaker 3>tell about to defend themselves, right, so we're not in

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<v Speaker 3>a good spot. Hopefully, you know, we can get this

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<v Speaker 3>back on track and the pressure put on it's really

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<v Speaker 3>going to come down to Hamas has to leave, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they fall on our discussion. You know, the

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<v Speaker 3>more you talk about it, they just have to believe.

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<v Speaker 3>And if they stay, they're not going to stay because

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<v Speaker 3>they're in disarmed, because they'll be you know, they'll be

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<v Speaker 3>summarily executed like that likes two other people. So they

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<v Speaker 3>got to go. We got to find a place for

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<v Speaker 3>him to go, and we got to find you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a country as falling to take them and contain them.

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<v Speaker 3>They have to be contained.

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<v Speaker 2>Tall Lass too, bro like who outside of Iran and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe Qatar, but like I don't know if Qatar is

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<v Speaker 2>down for like three thousand or so whatever hamask guys

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<v Speaker 2>rolling up after what I know, there's a new security

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<v Speaker 2>guarantee all that bullshit with the United States. But like

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<v Speaker 2>Israel's bombed Qatar anyway, right, targeting the Mosque guys. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, I don't know if Qatar's game for something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Understandably, shit, no doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>It, because that they internationed the beauty to do it,

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<v Speaker 3>they would then do it and then they get blamed.

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<v Speaker 2>For how like yeah right, yeah, yeah in.

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<v Speaker 3>Those shoes and be like noah, they hosted the negotiations

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<v Speaker 3>that led to this, and then they get blamed for

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<v Speaker 3>hosting a MOSS, which if they didn't host.

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<v Speaker 2>A moss to negotiation, right, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>I imagine they would say no. And then the issue

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<v Speaker 3>is with Iran might take them, right, So there's no

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<v Speaker 3>easy answers nothing, the ultimate answers. They have to be

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<v Speaker 3>allowed to get us some of the grounds and that's

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<v Speaker 3>maybe that's what the high strengthen is.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, you would think that like we would be hearing

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<v Speaker 2>reports like there's negotiation happening now for you know, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the like the rest of Hamas fighters and whatever to

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<v Speaker 2>go to Iran or somewhere else where, like cause, like

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<v Speaker 2>even if like somebody approached Iran for like, hey you

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<v Speaker 2>want to take these three thousand guys, They're gonna be like, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there are all proxies, but like what do we get? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they would let's go talk about the you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the the agreements going on or not the agreements negotiations

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<v Speaker 3>going on on a new nuclear agreement, right, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>that they could play into that, so it could give

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<v Speaker 3>them advantage there. Okay, I mean this is this is

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<v Speaker 3>where we live in right, nothing's come out perfect. That's

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<v Speaker 3>not to let the perfect be the enemy of the

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<v Speaker 3>good when it comes to in complex, there's there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot going on, and you know, good on all the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, let's move on to Venezuela. That was

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the kickoff where we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about because what's going on with that is pretty nuts.

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<v Speaker 2>But obviously what's going on in the last few days

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days with Israel and Gaza is taking precedence.

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<v Speaker 2>So Venezuela, it seems like we're gearing up for some

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<v Speaker 2>regime change. I'm not gonna lie to you. We have

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<v Speaker 2>about ten percent of the US Navy in the Caribbean.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what on vacation. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing. They're clearly getting ready for something. TF one sixty.

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<v Speaker 2>This Special Operations Aviation Regiment seen you know, doing exercises

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<v Speaker 2>about ninety miles out of away from Venezuela. That was

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<v Speaker 2>reported last week and stuff. So clearly we have jaysach

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<v Speaker 2>over there in some form another. It's just so much

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<v Speaker 2>shit going on with Venezuela. It's insane to me. Another

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<v Speaker 2>strike obviously on the traffickers and stuff like that, which

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<v Speaker 2>seems to a couple of them have survived and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So like international law clearly is being violated. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>really care about international laws the US. We didn't sign

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<v Speaker 2>into it, so whatever, we kind of kind of make

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<v Speaker 2>the rules. But at the same time we expect other

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<v Speaker 2>countries to do it. So what's going on to me

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<v Speaker 2>seems insane because like, yeah, Venezuela is a total narco

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<v Speaker 2>state socialist. Maduro is bad. He stole the election. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a bad guy. There's we can name fifteen other authoritative

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<v Speaker 2>dictators that have stolen elections that we haven't really gone

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<v Speaker 2>after it all. And the whole premise of this was

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<v Speaker 2>because of drug trafficking, and they're bringing fentanyl, and fentanyl

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<v Speaker 2>is created in China and the vast majority, like vast

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<v Speaker 2>majority of drugs that come into the United States from Mexico,

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<v Speaker 2>the Pacific and other countries. Columbia does the cocaine. So

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of like drug trafficking, like, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if we should really be going after like the number

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two drug traf you know, cartel in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe go after like the suppliers and stuff like that

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<v Speaker 2>and the fentanyl. Having said like all that's happening, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a ton going on. Another bit of news as

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<v Speaker 2>well that it was reported, but it like it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of went under the radar, nobody really paid attention. The

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<v Speaker 2>CIA's deputy director named himself General Counsel of the CIA,

421
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<v Speaker 2>which is highly unusual. Obviously, the CIA is clearly spinning

422
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<v Speaker 2>up to do what they do, uh, you know, taking

423
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<v Speaker 2>direction from the president. So what the fuck is going

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<v Speaker 2>on in Venezuela. Make what's your what's your like, what's

425
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<v Speaker 2>your analysis on all this? Because it seems like we're

426
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<v Speaker 2>really spinning up to go after it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, So to start with Venezuela, it used to be

428
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<v Speaker 3>one of the most wealthy countries in Latin America and

429
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<v Speaker 3>has more proven oil and gas reserves than Saudi Arabia.

430
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<v Speaker 3>I was told fourteen trillion dollars worth, and somehow it's

431
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<v Speaker 3>one of the poorest countries in the world. Thirty percent

432
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<v Speaker 3>of their population relies on food aid and millions have fled.

433
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<v Speaker 3>For those who think, you know socialism and autocratic socialism,

434
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<v Speaker 3>good thing, there's your example. It's it's not working well.

435
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<v Speaker 3>So but to your point, yeah, you've got multiple destroyers,

436
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:46.160
<v Speaker 3>an amphibious ready group with a twenty second new You've

437
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:50.160
<v Speaker 3>got you know, squadrons and squadrons about thirty five. You've

438
00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:56.279
<v Speaker 3>got you know, the Jaysak folks deploying. According to the media,

439
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<v Speaker 3>that's not just to go after drug boats. You still

440
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<v Speaker 3>need that level of firepower. So it's it's either sending

441
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<v Speaker 3>a message or it's preparing to do something like a

442
00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:15.720
<v Speaker 3>new Noriega slash Panama scenario. And that might be exactly

443
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<v Speaker 3>what they intend. So they put in it was even

444
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<v Speaker 3>like strategic bombers flying around the post as well. Yeah,

445
00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:26.880
<v Speaker 3>so it's either a giant show of force and intimidates

446
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<v Speaker 3>Madureau to the point of leaving, right, stepping down and leaving,

447
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:37.519
<v Speaker 3>which would be a good thing, but most dictators don't

448
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<v Speaker 3>do that, although they should. But it's clearly one of

449
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<v Speaker 3>the other and my opinion, So if it's a show

450
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<v Speaker 3>of force, then we'll just see what happens. If it is, like, hey,

451
00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:54.920
<v Speaker 3>we're getting ready to do something, I don't think they'd be.

452
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<v Speaker 3>A long term occupation of Venezuela by the United States

453
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<v Speaker 3>would be extraordinarily difficult. And from a president who's that

454
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<v Speaker 3>he wants to get out of or is not consistent

455
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<v Speaker 3>to address the agency part, you know, I obviously don't know,

456
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:15.079
<v Speaker 3>or I wouldn't be talking about it. But like everybody else,

457
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<v Speaker 3>I saw the President say that unusual, right, you don't

458
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<v Speaker 3>usually announce covert right, yeah, actions, But he didn't say

459
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<v Speaker 3>the details. So what I would say, just in general

460
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<v Speaker 3>is the agency has the ability and the authority to

461
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.880
<v Speaker 3>collect intel foreign countries all the time. Hey, the President

462
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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have to tell them, they go collect intel on

463
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<v Speaker 3>them Russia, that it's just what we do. COVID action

464
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<v Speaker 3>is different. So COVID action comes from a very I

465
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<v Speaker 3>think it's Section thirty ninety three. Not to geek out

466
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<v Speaker 3>on it, but Kevin's title title fifty it talks about

467
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<v Speaker 3>this specific authority that the CI can get from the

468
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<v Speaker 3>President to conduct you know, paramilitary influence operations and the

469
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<v Speaker 3>like ops, which obviously includes lethal depending on what the

470
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<v Speaker 3>President writes in the finding. And most of the restrictions

471
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<v Speaker 3>on the agency come from past president's executive works, which,

472
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<v Speaker 3>if you think about it, means the current president can

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<v Speaker 3>simply change the change the former guide. I'm not saying

474
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<v Speaker 3>did I have no information they did, but there is

475
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<v Speaker 3>much less restrictions on agency activities than the military. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no War Powers Act issue like under the War Powers Act,

477
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<v Speaker 3>although I don't think any executive any president has ever

478
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<v Speaker 3>acknowledged it as constitution. But on the War Powers Act,

479
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.799
<v Speaker 3>you have sixty days to do a military operation and

480
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.359
<v Speaker 3>then you have to pull out unless Congress Declaire's war

481
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<v Speaker 3>in Congress by a concurrent resolution. Under the War Payers

482
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.799
<v Speaker 3>Act can pull them out in three days they want to.

483
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<v Speaker 3>That's not the case with the agency. Uh, that's not

484
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<v Speaker 3>the case for covered action. They don't. They don't need

485
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:09.880
<v Speaker 3>congressional approval, only notification and oversight. So that might be

486
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<v Speaker 3>and we don't know what he wrote in the finding, but.

487
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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was gonna say. Yeah, I was gonna ask, like,

488
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<v Speaker 2>the finding is clearly not public.

489
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<v Speaker 3>So and it shouldn't be, but it might just be

490
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<v Speaker 3>part of the bigger, you know, idea of just to

491
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<v Speaker 3>intimidate Maduro. Now he you know, he sees the significant

492
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<v Speaker 3>military forces right off the coast. Now he's worried behind

493
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:35.839
<v Speaker 3>every you know, corner is going to be you know,

494
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<v Speaker 3>somebody there.

495
00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 2>To smoke him out. Yeah.

496
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I don't know, I don't know, but we'll

497
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.480
<v Speaker 3>find out if if this doesn't, if this is a bluff,

498
00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:49.880
<v Speaker 3>we'll find out. And then after that he'll probably be

499
00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:55.720
<v Speaker 3>even more bold. Ah if if it does work and

500
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.559
<v Speaker 3>either they remove him or he just leaves. You know.

501
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<v Speaker 3>The twenty twenty five but Peace Prize recipient Maria Karina,

502
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<v Speaker 3>I saw the Machado is somewhere in Venezuela, all in regime, yes,

503
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:19.079
<v Speaker 3>because she's still awful elected president right, yeah, so super

504
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.799
<v Speaker 3>impressive lady, Right, She's still there risking her life somewhere

505
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:27.279
<v Speaker 3>in Venezuela. She was actually doing interviews from this you

506
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.720
<v Speaker 3>know or fight out yesterday. But it would be a

507
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:33.519
<v Speaker 3>great thing for the people of Venezuela. If Maduro was

508
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 3>forced to leave or just left, for sure.

509
00:29:38.680 --> 00:29:41.559
<v Speaker 2>He's not going anywhere, bro. And he's also offered the

510
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<v Speaker 2>America to cancel all contracts with China and Russia in

511
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:50.599
<v Speaker 2>terms of their oil and gas and doing everything he

512
00:29:50.680 --> 00:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>can to kind of like sweeten the deal. And it

513
00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 2>doesn't seem to be working. That's what makes me shake.

514
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:01.519
<v Speaker 2>It's more like, what, first off, for us to occupy Venezuela,

515
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:05.319
<v Speaker 2>we need at least what we had in or close

516
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:09.000
<v Speaker 2>to it in our Iraq, So you know, quarter one

517
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:11.839
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand troops and stuff like that station somewhere getting

518
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<v Speaker 2>ready to go. I'm not saying marines are the best

519
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 2>and they can funck shuit up really well, but a

520
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 2>couple thousand marines, yeah, right, right, But a couple thousand

521
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Marines aren't going to occupy Venezuela, right, like.

522
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.480
<v Speaker 3>The mew that's there is. Yeah, so they would have

523
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:33.240
<v Speaker 3>I think they're a raid for a surgical go in

524
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.759
<v Speaker 3>and just like Noriega, right, So it's just it's a

525
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:42.000
<v Speaker 3>very targeted one person, uh go in and take it out.

526
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.400
<v Speaker 3>Of course, that's going to require really good intelligence. And

527
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.960
<v Speaker 3>then it's done, but the occupation of Venezuela would be bohemoth,

528
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:53.319
<v Speaker 3>it would be make any sense, it would cost I

529
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.920
<v Speaker 3>don't even know how much money and lives, and I

530
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.039
<v Speaker 3>don't I don't see that being the endgame. So it

531
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<v Speaker 3>might be just either intimidation to try to get them

532
00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:05.000
<v Speaker 3>him to step down voluntarily. Maybe they get them, Maybe

533
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 3>they get him a really plush deal that he lives

534
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.119
<v Speaker 3>in some higher eye somewhere in the world for the

535
00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 3>rest of his life and it's immune from prosecution. That's

536
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 3>a bad thing, but maybe it's a thing overall for

537
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:17.039
<v Speaker 3>the people of Venezuela.

538
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<v Speaker 2>It's just so wild to me, Like, what's the point

539
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 2>of this. I think that's just getting rid of another dictator.

540
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:29.680
<v Speaker 2>The world's chock full of them.

541
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 3>Yes, it is, unfortunately, and it's a growing issue. Right Ah,

542
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 3>potocracy versus democracies, we're not We're not winning. Uh. There's

543
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.079
<v Speaker 3>plenty of indicators from Freedom House that were one of

544
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.440
<v Speaker 3>the other directions. I would say that Venezuela, in addition

545
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 3>to the drug issue, which is a big issue, but

546
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.440
<v Speaker 3>most of the fatanah, for example, is produced in Mexico,

547
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:59.000
<v Speaker 3>not Venezuela. But the illegal immigration population a lot of

548
00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:02.039
<v Speaker 3>it's coming out of it because of how died the

549
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:06.160
<v Speaker 3>situation is there. So I think for a administration really

550
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.359
<v Speaker 3>focuses that as one of their main efforts, that's another

551
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:09.759
<v Speaker 3>part of this.

552
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a that's a lot more than just protecting

553
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:15.839
<v Speaker 2>our borders.

554
00:32:15.920 --> 00:32:16.039
<v Speaker 3>Mick.

555
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.079
<v Speaker 2>I'd say, you know, going in with like a Jaysuck

556
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>task force with you know, a couple hundred rangers and

557
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>a mew to go and smoke, uh Maduro. I'm gonna

558
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.039
<v Speaker 2>be honest, because like, yeah.

559
00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Or they find them and they can they can do

560
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:36.680
<v Speaker 3>it without all that. Yeah, yeah, that's probably why. You know,

561
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.960
<v Speaker 3>if they did, and I'm sure they did, President Holson,

562
00:32:40.200 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 3>they've given you know, one of the things that I

563
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.400
<v Speaker 3>think the agency can do. I guess again, I don't

564
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:47.799
<v Speaker 3>know what's going on right now, but if we could

565
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.799
<v Speaker 3>do something that would then prevent the need to send

566
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:57.119
<v Speaker 3>in a squadron from Jaysock, uh and potentially risk their lives,

567
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.920
<v Speaker 3>one I think big benefit of the agency to the

568
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:06.400
<v Speaker 3>overall national security cops. If we can do something simply

569
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:10.519
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't require you know, risking of how many helicopy

570
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:12.519
<v Speaker 3>pilots and assaulters and all that stuff.

571
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:17.839
<v Speaker 2>Then yeah, yeah, we should make. I got a hypothetical

572
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:21.599
<v Speaker 2>for you. You ready for it? If you were the

573
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 2>director of the CIA, right and the President gave you

574
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>a finding to get rid of Maduro, how would you

575
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 2>do it without giving away TTPs and stuff.

576
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I can fuck give it. What I mean,

577
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:36.640
<v Speaker 3>I can't because.

578
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:36.960
<v Speaker 2>That would be.

579
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:41.839
<v Speaker 3>I think I would be sure in a bad space,

580
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 3>I actually get a call from the director, Okay, tell

581
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry.

582
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:49.839
<v Speaker 2>I've never been in the agency and stuff. I don't

583
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.480
<v Speaker 2>have a top secret or didn't have a top secret,

584
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>So I think I can say what I would do

585
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:57.920
<v Speaker 2>and correct me. Tell me from hot or cold? So

586
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:01.680
<v Speaker 2>to avoid putting sending in Jay Sock or our guys

587
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:06.359
<v Speaker 2>with at one sixtieth and potentially having some of our

588
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:08.760
<v Speaker 2>guys die or all of them, because it's not like

589
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:15.159
<v Speaker 2>exactly it's not exactly a permissible environment, I would, obviously,

590
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.880
<v Speaker 2>with the CIA, you know, contact groups that are against

591
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Maduro and try and set up a way to get

592
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 2>smoke them with those groups, like an assassination, but using

593
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 2>them as a proxy. That's what I would do, am

594
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.239
<v Speaker 2>I Hot? Cold? What do you think you know?

595
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.320
<v Speaker 3>I think I think there's a lot of options right,

596
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.719
<v Speaker 3>we also have our own version of J sock. Sure,

597
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.760
<v Speaker 3>and then there's what do you call proxy you're talking about,

598
00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:48.199
<v Speaker 3>is using another group? I would imagine, well, other than

599
00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.079
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to get any specific, but I would say,

600
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, I think they're looking at everything. Yeah, there's

601
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:54.800
<v Speaker 3>no reason to like, I only want to do it

602
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:57.119
<v Speaker 3>one way, right, because you don't know if that's going

603
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:01.559
<v Speaker 3>to play out. You know, it might be they're putting

604
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:05.079
<v Speaker 3>together collectively courses of action from the president decide. Yeah,

605
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 3>and uh, you know, and when you do courses of action,

606
00:35:08.039 --> 00:35:12.119
<v Speaker 3>you're looking at you know, the pros and cons put

607
00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:15.639
<v Speaker 3>in a you know, common bacular and you know the

608
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:19.559
<v Speaker 3>cons of doing it with a small team means that

609
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, they're obviously very vulnerable. The coms of doing

610
00:35:23.159 --> 00:35:27.599
<v Speaker 3>it with a giant you know, J shock machine one

611
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:29.960
<v Speaker 3>helicopter gets shot down and how many guys dealers? Right,

612
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:33.760
<v Speaker 3>So it's it's a big it's a big decision, or

613
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.599
<v Speaker 3>or the drone scenario. Right.

614
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.039
<v Speaker 2>I was going to mention that as well.

615
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know, it's pretty well published. It's our hear

616
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.599
<v Speaker 3>he was smoked and cobbled right reading his newspaper and

617
00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:47.119
<v Speaker 3>having this morning tea. Ah, So it's doable. It all

618
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:48.920
<v Speaker 3>comes down to exquisite intel.

619
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<v Speaker 2>Right. Let me ask you this, So pr wise or

620
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<v Speaker 2>optics wise, would it be a major international incident if

621
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<v Speaker 2>because like we obviously no one Dora is at all times,

622
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:05.159
<v Speaker 2>we probably haven't him completely penetrated in terms of his communications,

623
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:08.239
<v Speaker 2>or if we're not like we got to give more

624
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.639
<v Speaker 2>money the NSA or they're not doing their job. But

625
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.360
<v Speaker 2>anyway where we could drop a drone right like where

626
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:16.960
<v Speaker 2>because the presidential finding will probably okay it and stuff

627
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>like that, would you think the fallout of doing something

628
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:29.039
<v Speaker 2>like that internationally is worth that squeeze specifically drone striking them?

629
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:32.159
<v Speaker 3>I mean you think about where we are now. I

630
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:38.440
<v Speaker 3>mean we're doing strikes on you know boats. Sure, if

631
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.840
<v Speaker 3>we've we've how many years have we now been doing

632
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:43.840
<v Speaker 3>targeted drone strikes on individuals?

633
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's one thing for it to be a

634
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:50.920
<v Speaker 2>trafficker or jihadi up in the mountains of Pakistan and

635
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:52.559
<v Speaker 2>another Yeah.

636
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.480
<v Speaker 3>It's another to be a you know, a dictator who

637
00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:58.519
<v Speaker 3>sure basically ignored you. I mean he doesn't have any

638
00:36:58.559 --> 00:36:59.960
<v Speaker 3>validity as the president.

639
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.639
<v Speaker 2>Then I completely agree. I'm not friending it like I

640
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't shut it here if he got smoke. I'm just saying, like,

641
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:06.079
<v Speaker 2>optics wise.

642
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:11.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't. I don't know that it does. I

643
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 3>mean to the point of your question, D when you

644
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:18.159
<v Speaker 3>start taking out leaders, you don't like, that's gonna that's

645
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:20.599
<v Speaker 3>gonna cause issues, right, because that kind of makes it

646
00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:25.239
<v Speaker 3>an open season on Yeah, going out the presence. But

647
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.880
<v Speaker 3>I just don't know that this crowd would. I think

648
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.880
<v Speaker 3>if I was in their shoes and that was what happened,

649
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:35.760
<v Speaker 3>I would point out that this person had all all

650
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.000
<v Speaker 3>the opportunity to leave, you know what I mean. Uh,

651
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:42.159
<v Speaker 3>he could just get on the plane and go to Cuba, right,

652
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.119
<v Speaker 3>who's in Cuba's falling apart for the same freaking reason,

653
00:37:45.159 --> 00:37:50.519
<v Speaker 3>too has been a disaster, and he chose not to. Therefore,

654
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:53.559
<v Speaker 3>this is the consequences. I'm sure there would be a

655
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.880
<v Speaker 3>lot of pushback around the world. I'm pretty sure that

656
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:56.760
<v Speaker 3>they wouldn't care.

657
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they would care either. Yeah, I just

658
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.360
<v Speaker 2>say it like in terms of like setting a fucking

659
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.039
<v Speaker 2>dangerous precedent.

660
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would be the That would be the contrary position.

661
00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 3>As you've now opened up target targeted killings, which is another.

662
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Of whether it's he's the like elected president of Venezuela

663
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.239
<v Speaker 2>or not, he's still like the de facto leader there

664
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Speaker 2>of ahead of state. Yeah, by force. I mean it

665
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:31.840
<v Speaker 2>is what it is. I mean yeah, uh man, it's

666
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:34.039
<v Speaker 2>tricky and I don't think it's worth to squeeze. I mean,

667
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Speaker 2>I understand the Venezuelan immigration issue because I think there

668
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:42.280
<v Speaker 2>are number three in terms of countries like illegal immorants

669
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.360
<v Speaker 2>that come into the country, And I understand having our

670
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:46.519
<v Speaker 2>strong border and stuff. But I don't know about like

671
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:50.079
<v Speaker 2>regime change and just leaving it like a fucking just

672
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.079
<v Speaker 2>a crater in the ground and be like, okay, guys,

673
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:54.920
<v Speaker 2>you guys figure it out, have fun. Frankly, I don't

674
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 2>think that would stop narco narcotics from coming from transitting

675
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 2>from Venezuela at all.

676
00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:01.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

677
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:04.159
<v Speaker 2>I think it just rules shit, the whole drug angle

678
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:04.519
<v Speaker 2>of it.

679
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.679
<v Speaker 3>I mean drug a serious, but I think most drugs

680
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 3>come out of Mexico and from the Pacific right right.

681
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.880
<v Speaker 3>But you know, nobody's gonna reasonally sleep over the marcour

682
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:18.159
<v Speaker 3>draftkers that are bringing fentanyl in the United States.

683
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:19.639
<v Speaker 2>No, I wouldn't, you know.

684
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:22.599
<v Speaker 3>But regime changes is because I saw people talking about

685
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:26.280
<v Speaker 3>the agency and regime. The agency, by my account, has

686
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:34.599
<v Speaker 3>overthrown eight governments, mostly in the fifties sixties, right, And

687
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.199
<v Speaker 3>then they you know, we had the Church Commission and

688
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:38.880
<v Speaker 3>they said, you know, I got to knock that off.

689
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:42.119
<v Speaker 3>Pebble points. The agency doesn't decide to do this. The

690
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:47.119
<v Speaker 3>president's for some reason, the agency gets accused to do

691
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:49.199
<v Speaker 3>with things like the rogue elephant, that was the term.

692
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:52.039
<v Speaker 3>It's like, it's not the case. So if you have

693
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.239
<v Speaker 3>a problem with the policy, it's not really the agency

694
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.719
<v Speaker 3>anymore than you know, you blame the US army for.

695
00:39:56.840 --> 00:39:59.519
<v Speaker 2>Vietnam, right, Yeah.

696
00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:02.119
<v Speaker 3>And the other thing is we're not actually that bad

697
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:06.480
<v Speaker 3>at it. But the question is philosophical, like should should

698
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:11.760
<v Speaker 3>the you know, the strongest democracy in the world be

699
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:14.079
<v Speaker 3>overthrowing regimes because we don't like them.

700
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, and like propping up one, yeah, and then propping

701
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.920
<v Speaker 2>up ones that we they are on our side, who

702
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:25.039
<v Speaker 2>happen to be dictators and brutalizer citizens exactly right. So

703
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:26.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a dirty game.

704
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:28.840
<v Speaker 3>It's a dirty game. But you know, all I'd say

705
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:32.239
<v Speaker 3>is it's a game that the ultimately, the political leadership

706
00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 3>everyone's deciding, not.

707
00:40:33.400 --> 00:40:35.280
<v Speaker 2>The agency, you know.

708
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:37.039
<v Speaker 3>And then they always bring up the bay of pigs.

709
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.239
<v Speaker 3>But you know, you try to do an amphibious landing

710
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:41.920
<v Speaker 3>with the forced ten times your side and have the

711
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.119
<v Speaker 3>air component pulled out from under your right before sure,

712
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:49.880
<v Speaker 3>right read the book they pict So again, I'm not

713
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:52.920
<v Speaker 3>just being parochial with the agency, but it's it's it's

714
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 3>a broader question than this theory that the agency just

715
00:40:55.480 --> 00:40:56.000
<v Speaker 3>runs around.

716
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:58.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think in the case to be honest

717
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:02.039
<v Speaker 2>at all, because I met enough enough for you guys

718
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:04.840
<v Speaker 2>where it's like you guys go where you're pointed right

719
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.920
<v Speaker 2>and more or less right. I'm sure there's like moral

720
00:41:09.000 --> 00:41:12.119
<v Speaker 2>qualms agent officer to officer and stuff like that in

721
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.280
<v Speaker 2>terms of what you're doing. But yeah, it's not like

722
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 2>they you know, the CIA director wakes up one day

723
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:21.800
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you know what, let's let's fucking overthrow Venezuela today, right,

724
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:23.519
<v Speaker 2>like getting pointed by the president.

725
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's totally at the direction, I'm sure with

726
00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.840
<v Speaker 3>a lot of discussion between the senior captain members on

727
00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:31.800
<v Speaker 3>the National Securities.

728
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, at they make.

729
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:38.760
<v Speaker 3>A decision right or all. But got the idea that

730
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:42.800
<v Speaker 3>it's it's some kind of vogue about the ages.

731
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Just waking up one day and like, let's just do

732
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:49.320
<v Speaker 2>this when we're bored. We got this budget, you know,

733
00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:51.960
<v Speaker 2>burning a hole in our pocket. Let's fucking use it. No,

734
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.760
<v Speaker 2>like there's yeah, for somebody to think that's the case

735
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:55.960
<v Speaker 2>is like they're just naive.

736
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but of course if it goes south and it's

737
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.840
<v Speaker 3>a completely about it. The other part of that is

738
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.400
<v Speaker 3>that a lot of times the agency's hand and stuff

739
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.000
<v Speaker 3>that nobody else can fix.

740
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:11.119
<v Speaker 2>You, right, right, So yeah, here's a building situation.

741
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.719
<v Speaker 3>Right, we can't figure out how to put the fire out,

742
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 3>the d D doesn't want to do it, diplomats can't

743
00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:23.679
<v Speaker 3>resolve it. Here's the burning building, right, good luck? So yeah, yeah,

744
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 3>but anyway, so I don't know what the finding is

745
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 3>or even if there was a finding maybe, but the

746
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 3>President I think I don't think he made a mistake.

747
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:36.440
<v Speaker 3>I think he wanted Maduro to go look in every

748
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:40.440
<v Speaker 3>shadow and be scared that you know, it's curtains, even

749
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 3>if if it.

750
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Isn't the case. Yeah, So we'll see what goes down

751
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.719
<v Speaker 2>in the next couple of weeks. Obviously, we'll keep it close eye,

752
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:52.199
<v Speaker 2>all right. Last bit of news, uh Zelenski was at

753
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the White House on Friday. I feel like it's I mean,

754
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.199
<v Speaker 2>which is crazy. It's only Sunday, right, and it feels

755
00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 2>like he was there like a month ago. I think

756
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:07.559
<v Speaker 2>the main topic was to talk about long range missiles tomahawks, presumably,

757
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:11.679
<v Speaker 2>and it didn't seem to go well. Interesting thing that

758
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:13.840
<v Speaker 2>came up in the twenty fifth hour before the day

759
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.559
<v Speaker 2>before the meeting was that President Trump was going to

760
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:20.280
<v Speaker 2>talk to President Putin before the meeting for some fucking reason,

761
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:27.360
<v Speaker 2>let me think so the bottom line. Also, what I

762
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:29.679
<v Speaker 2>also noticed when I watched a little bit of like

763
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:33.320
<v Speaker 2>the press gaggle in that room was like some of

764
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 2>that right wing press is still pretty fucking pretty kind

765
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:41.039
<v Speaker 2>of hostile towards Zelenski, and it's like I just don't

766
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:45.360
<v Speaker 2>understand it, especially you know, America first, and you know

767
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:48.199
<v Speaker 2>don't give money away, but we just gave forty billion

768
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.480
<v Speaker 2>dollars Sargantina for a bailout, so it's like pretty selective

769
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.039
<v Speaker 2>in term. And I would argue that giving Ukraine what

770
00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:58.079
<v Speaker 2>they need in terms of armaments is better off because

771
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.360
<v Speaker 2>they are an actual democratic companies company country. Even though

772
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>they're corrupt and their corruption was high and all that stuff.

773
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:11.599
<v Speaker 2>They were invaded, right like by a more powerful, aggressive,

774
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:16.760
<v Speaker 2>imperialistic colonizer. So I think it should be real easy

775
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 2>for this. I don't understand what the friction is there. Anyway,

776
00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.559
<v Speaker 2>Putin and Trump are set to meet as well in Budapest,

777
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:31.199
<v Speaker 2>which is kind of fucking ironic, and Trump gave Putin

778
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 2>another two weeks. It's been two weeks for like fucking

779
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:36.119
<v Speaker 2>four months. So what do you got?

780
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:42.800
<v Speaker 3>So the qurtance of tomahawks right, very very effective weapons system.

781
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:46.559
<v Speaker 3>I think the loftoons can go.

782
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Fifteen hundred miles, yeah, it's like twenty five hundred kilometers.

783
00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and the Block four like a thousand miles. But

784
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.440
<v Speaker 3>they're you know, they are c based. There used to

785
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:02.440
<v Speaker 3>be a ground based version of it, and I think

786
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:07.000
<v Speaker 3>they're probably going back to trying to find, yeah, ground

787
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.920
<v Speaker 3>based way to launch them. I guess they could probably

788
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:10.599
<v Speaker 3>remove I.

789
00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Think we do have because I spoke with I spoke

790
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:17.199
<v Speaker 2>when I talked to Andy about this. Andy had like

791
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:18.960
<v Speaker 2>a really good coverage. You could check out that video.

792
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:20.920
<v Speaker 2>We did a short video about what it would be like.

793
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Uh that the our majority of our tomahawks are a

794
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:29.519
<v Speaker 2>sea base right from from subs and and ships. But

795
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:32.480
<v Speaker 2>we do have a ground based variant, but they're more

796
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 2>limited in supply. Essentially. The Europeans did say that they

797
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:39.440
<v Speaker 2>can make something that will allow it to shoot from

798
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.920
<v Speaker 2>the ground, like they have some kind of system that

799
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:44.840
<v Speaker 2>works that way. But you know, there are some limiting

800
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:45.800
<v Speaker 2>factors to all this.

801
00:45:47.199 --> 00:45:49.639
<v Speaker 3>Well, I hope they're building it now that they can

802
00:45:49.719 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 3>actually eat whoops, may get a quieter area. So on

803
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.199
<v Speaker 3>the on the reach though, if you if you give

804
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:06.119
<v Speaker 3>them and they can figure out how to launch them,

805
00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:11.840
<v Speaker 3>either by some kind of C platform or AH or

806
00:46:12.920 --> 00:46:19.039
<v Speaker 3>ground based platform. There's about two dozen air bases in range,

807
00:46:19.320 --> 00:46:24.360
<v Speaker 3>all right, That's why foots freaking out. It really opens

808
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:28.400
<v Speaker 3>up the targets, and I think there's hundreds of other

809
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:32.840
<v Speaker 3>military installations and energy infrastructure, and they'll be able to

810
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:37.079
<v Speaker 3>hit that they can't now. So that's why it's so important.

811
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 3>Uh you know, Boutin's like, oh, these are capable of

812
00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:42.239
<v Speaker 3>carrying nuclear weapons. Well, yeah, so were all the missiles

813
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:46.960
<v Speaker 3>you've been shooting at nurseries, schools and hospitals. Right, so,

814
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:53.400
<v Speaker 3>so on the standard Russian response, major escalation and then

815
00:46:53.400 --> 00:46:55.880
<v Speaker 3>they're going to throw on nuclear weapons. They said that

816
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:59.480
<v Speaker 3>about F sixteen's II Mars. They said about jab they

817
00:46:59.480 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 3>said about j Yeah, right, So I don't know why

818
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:07.599
<v Speaker 3>we publicly deliberate this stuff. I would just I would

819
00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:10.440
<v Speaker 3>just do it. I mean, I'm not charged. But as

820
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:14.119
<v Speaker 3>soon as when they lined up to go into Ukraine

821
00:47:14.239 --> 00:47:16.039
<v Speaker 3>and we had really good intelligence they we're going to

822
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:18.440
<v Speaker 3>do it, we should have just announced we're going to

823
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:21.840
<v Speaker 3>give them everything they need to win. So it's your decision.

824
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:27.480
<v Speaker 3>It's your decision Russia to invade your neighbor and then

825
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.360
<v Speaker 3>and then we would stop with this whole like hand

826
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:33.920
<v Speaker 3>raking and clutching of pearl of pearls every time we

827
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:39.440
<v Speaker 3>decide to do this. I think potentially that this summit

828
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:44.880
<v Speaker 3>or whatever we're calling it in Budapest, that the US

829
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:48.400
<v Speaker 3>may say, look, you obviously asked us not to give

830
00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 3>them tomahawks. We won't. If you have a ceasfire, you

831
00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:57.480
<v Speaker 3>stop fighting and you come to the negotiation table and goodwill,

832
00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:02.320
<v Speaker 3>and I would hope they'd also put on there secondary sanctions. Yeah,

833
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:05.719
<v Speaker 3>so you know, we don't want to do it. We

834
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:08.519
<v Speaker 3>don't want the war to expand we want the war

835
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<v Speaker 3>to cease, But it's your choice whether to have a

836
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:14.039
<v Speaker 3>sea far if we don't, and we go through this

837
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:18.039
<v Speaker 3>summit and b doesn't agree to anything and the war continues.

838
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<v Speaker 3>Then this is totally playing into Prudin's and he gets

839
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<v Speaker 3>the public stage with the President of the United States,

840
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<v Speaker 3>which he wants because he's essentially an international pria and

841
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:34.639
<v Speaker 3>he has no consequences. So I hope they put the

842
00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:38.039
<v Speaker 3>consequences on the table and say, either we get to

843
00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 3>this summit and there is a ceasefire or tomahawks are

844
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.320
<v Speaker 3>flowing and by the way, there's a German variant. Yeah,

845
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.559
<v Speaker 3>they can send them. They should be sending them to

846
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:53.480
<v Speaker 3>step up Europe and we should be fixing fixing it

847
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:56.840
<v Speaker 3>so they can launch them off the ground. Right now,

848
00:48:56.880 --> 00:48:58.960
<v Speaker 3>we need to prepare for that, and I mean they

849
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.480
<v Speaker 3>have they have some time platforms and being watched form.

850
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:04.000
<v Speaker 3>But either way, and there's gonna be we got to

851
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:06.719
<v Speaker 3>start mass producing him because here's only a finite him

852
00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:09.119
<v Speaker 3>out of him. Uh, and we don't want to deplete

853
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:15.280
<v Speaker 3>our stocks too much, but it needs to happen, especially

854
00:49:15.320 --> 00:49:18.320
<v Speaker 3>if Putin comes out of this Budapest summit and it's

855
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<v Speaker 3>it's the same situation.

856
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Are they saying that Budapest summit is going to be

857
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:25.840
<v Speaker 2>just Trump and Putin or is a Lenski there too?

858
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<v Speaker 3>So I've heard Trump Putin and Zelensky in one room putin.

859
00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Another scenario is Putin in one room with Trump and

860
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.400
<v Speaker 3>then John skan another learn with Trump. So he goes

861
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:43.960
<v Speaker 3>back and he's going back and forth. Yeah, I don't

862
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:46.719
<v Speaker 3>care so much about the personal dynamics of you know.

863
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

864
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:51.599
<v Speaker 3>I think what's necessary is to give real consequences to

865
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:54.280
<v Speaker 3>rush and say when when the president goes in there

866
00:49:54.320 --> 00:49:56.440
<v Speaker 3>says okay, this is your chance. You don't want tom

867
00:49:56.440 --> 00:50:01.000
<v Speaker 3>Ox cease fire today, ceasefire, freeze line. So let's start negotiation.

868
00:50:01.400 --> 00:50:03.639
<v Speaker 3>If I walk out of here again and you do

869
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:06.920
<v Speaker 3>what you did to me in Alaska, tomahawks are flowing,

870
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:12.719
<v Speaker 3>the German version of it's flowing. And the Sanctioning Russia Act,

871
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:17.719
<v Speaker 3>which Senator Thune wants to pass, it has eighty five sponsors.

872
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Like that's unheard of. Just you could he could just

873
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.639
<v Speaker 3>call a Thune and say, you know, vote now.

874
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's just too bad. This administration's Ukraine policy's

875
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:36.280
<v Speaker 2>completely bipolar. Let's be honest, because three weeks ago Trump

876
00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, they need to win, you know, and

877
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:42.239
<v Speaker 2>now it's like they need to stop supposedly there, I

878
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:45.519
<v Speaker 2>think Wall Street Journal reported that the phone call that

879
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:50.039
<v Speaker 2>Trump and Putin had together yes on Friday before the

880
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Zelenski meeting, Putin said he wants all of the Nesks,

881
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.000
<v Speaker 2>even though he doesn't have all of the Nesk, like,

882
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.400
<v Speaker 2>he's not occupying all of the next. People are speculating

883
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that he's saying that because he wants the war to continue,

884
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:06.320
<v Speaker 2>because obviously Russia's economy is war based now and he

885
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.960
<v Speaker 2>can't lose face at all. Right, He's trying a legacy

886
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Speaker 2>shop and he doesn't care how many fucking Russians he

887
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 2>does he kills to do that, you know. Uh So

888
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:20.480
<v Speaker 2>it seems like their demands are completely fucking crazy, just

889
00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:21.639
<v Speaker 2>out of control.

890
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:26.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think the US should just say what

891
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:30.679
<v Speaker 3>is reasonable. They not care because they won't negotiate good faith.

892
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.719
<v Speaker 3>They're gonna ask for like everything, and and for Ukraine

893
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:39.119
<v Speaker 3>to disarm, you know, some ridiculous ship like that, for

894
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 3>every NATO member to swear to God that Ukraine will

895
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.239
<v Speaker 3>ever be allowed in. Yeah, right, so disarm and not

896
00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:48.440
<v Speaker 3>join NATO. I mean, it's just gonna it's gonna get ridiculous.

897
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:50.599
<v Speaker 3>And they don't even have a problem being ridiculous. They

898
00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:52.400
<v Speaker 3>just look right at you and be ridiculous. So the

899
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 3>US seeds saying, no, you can drop all that, and

900
00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 3>here's here's the plan that we think Solonsky can actually

901
00:51:58.719 --> 00:52:02.159
<v Speaker 3>get approved by the Ukrainian people. And if you don't,

902
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.400
<v Speaker 3>because that's he has to do that, right, he can't

903
00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:09.440
<v Speaker 3>just sign away parts of his country. So here's the plan,

904
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:12.639
<v Speaker 3>it's somewhat accessible. Let's cut through the crap. And then

905
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:15.440
<v Speaker 3>if you say no, we're going to give them everything

906
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:16.039
<v Speaker 3>they need to win.

907
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we're going to start giving them your money

908
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:19.519
<v Speaker 2>that's tied up in.

909
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Europe, that too, all the all the all the money

910
00:52:23.480 --> 00:52:26.000
<v Speaker 3>in Europe, I think all totals are on foreign and.

911
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.360
<v Speaker 2>Well that interest is accruing, huh.

912
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, maybe they can use that to buy our

913
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Tomauks and we can just start pumping them out.

914
00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Right.

915
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:39.719
<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine if there were just thousands of tomahawks

916
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:42.920
<v Speaker 3>had ended. It's not just the military installations, it's all

917
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:46.480
<v Speaker 3>their ability to you know, produce energy to funnel war.

918
00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're already hitting those areas too, right, they're

919
00:52:48.960 --> 00:52:51.039
<v Speaker 2>hearing a ton of refiners and stuff like that. Supposedly

920
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:54.079
<v Speaker 2>around forty percent of the production. It's down forty percent.

921
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, well they have attackings in they're a medium

922
00:52:57.480 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 3>range and they've actually mastered so yeah, yes again, you know,

923
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.159
<v Speaker 3>if Russia doesn't like it, they can just stop fighting

924
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:07.400
<v Speaker 3>and they can stop trying to take over.

925
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't understand. Also, I saw another report where

926
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:13.000
<v Speaker 2>we were like to there was some negotiations going on

927
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:18.400
<v Speaker 2>about easing sanctions on Belarus. It's like, what fuck Belarus.

928
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:24.599
<v Speaker 2>You know they're complicity, so we'll see what goes down.

929
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it just feels kind of hopeless and like

930
00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:30.679
<v Speaker 2>Zelensky's gotta be tie. That guy needs a fucking vacation.

931
00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.159
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, you know, like this is brutal, and

932
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:36.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean think about the people that are being killed

933
00:53:37.000 --> 00:53:42.039
<v Speaker 2>in the Russian attacks day in, day out. Yeah, Russia

934
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:44.400
<v Speaker 2>needs a peepee whack, a bad one so they can

935
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<v Speaker 2>unders learn it, like learn how to like act in

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00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:51.320
<v Speaker 2>this world. Anything else.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's a lot, buddy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we did have a lot going on. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to remind everybody makes got a new podcast, the

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<v Speaker 2>easy listening too unlike this show? Uh what else? Nick?

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<v Speaker 2>travel safe. I hope you get there quick.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks State for sure, man, great discussion.

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