1
00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:05,000
Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to Middle Earth.

2
00:00:05,599 --> 00:00:09,039
I am the clown Prince of wed Ryan trous Snaw,

3
00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,439
and I'm joined by I'm the Big Wien Kirk Patzer.

4
00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,880
Speaker 2: I am the Eater Dragon Bones.

5
00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,440
Speaker 3: Hey, good guys on Titterfield.

6
00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,640
Speaker 1: Good guys, sorrow on, so LA's gentlemen, as usual, workiek

7
00:00:23,679 --> 00:00:25,559
for us. You know what we do here. We usually

8
00:00:25,559 --> 00:00:30,760
have three to four podcasts, whether they're review related, newscast related,

9
00:00:30,879 --> 00:00:33,759
video game related, retro related, just like we just dropped

10
00:00:33,799 --> 00:00:37,240
Beetlejuice retrospective. Go check that out Beatle just Bealice reviews

11
00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,119
happening next week, and whole slew of many other things.

12
00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,000
That's why you should join Patron because every week I

13
00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:43,960
dropped the schedule, so you know, but we'll talk a

14
00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:47,359
bit about that later. Just describe and you get everything

15
00:00:47,359 --> 00:00:50,039
we do. And if you like TV show stuff, we're

16
00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:51,960
getting back in the thick of a consuonant. It's gonna

17
00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,320
be Rings of Powers for the next five weeks, Agatha

18
00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,640
for seven weeks, and then Penguin for eight weeks. So

19
00:00:58,679 --> 00:01:01,640
we and we're there for all of them. Kirklan's Facebook pains.

20
00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,159
Speaker 3: I just got no, I'm just I keep thinking about

21
00:01:05,159 --> 00:01:06,280
that clip and it's so good.

22
00:01:06,599 --> 00:01:10,879
Speaker 1: Oh God, you're showed me. Yeah, bastards. Everyone got not everyone,

23
00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,439
but no Batman screening here. I was so bummed about it.

24
00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,280
But we did get screening of Rings of Power season

25
00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,519
two episodes one to three. If you're interested, we did

26
00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,239
review every single episodes, so if you want to do

27
00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,680
a deep dive, they are there. I would just recommend

28
00:01:24,719 --> 00:01:26,480
maybe going to finale because we kind of give our

29
00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:29,280
overall thoughts. And then if you're interested in anything Lord

30
00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:31,879
of the Rings related, we've done a bevy of content

31
00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,640
for that. We've reviewed every film, so all the Peter jacksones.

32
00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,920
We reviewed every animated film we have reviewed. There was

33
00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,159
a Lord of the Rings games like cast I recall it, yeah,

34
00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,159
Sidequest episode, So there is a pluthora of stuff, and

35
00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:47,519
we'll be here in a couple of years if that

36
00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:50,000
gall movie comes out, we'll be here because we're we're

37
00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,040
Middle Earth boys. You know this shirt a couple of

38
00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:53,599
years ago. I'm wearing it right now. We had Geek

39
00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,200
First actually exclusive, like, I feel like this is one

40
00:01:56,239 --> 00:01:58,359
things we bond over. So it's a good thing that

41
00:01:58,439 --> 00:02:00,879
Middle Earth is back or is it, And that's what

42
00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,799
we're gonna get into. Staya, I'm gonna sit back and

43
00:02:02,879 --> 00:02:05,319
drink my red wine that Sarron gave me is the

44
00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:09,960
reddest one you'd ever seen. It's just grape. It's just mint.

45
00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,479
It made grape. So yeah, people thought I was busting

46
00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:13,919
out with the first time drinking for Lord of the

47
00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,479
Rings Rings of Power season two premiere. No, you're mistaken.

48
00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,240
It's just uh, just some good minute may great, but

49
00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,919
it's actually quite underrated. But so it's not as good

50
00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,000
as the red wine that Surron's dishing out to people.

51
00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:30,280
Apparently before you talk, you would be. It's gonna be

52
00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,199
a good cast. Boys can't play Outlaws after But I'm

53
00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:38,000
gonna start with mister Field, what do you think of

54
00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:41,319
give a brief overall your elevator pitch to people if

55
00:02:41,319 --> 00:02:43,240
they weren't with us for season one, your thoughts on

56
00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,560
season one or what you can't remember, and then go

57
00:02:45,599 --> 00:02:48,879
into your nonspoys for episodes one to three for this season.

58
00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,000
And if you've not seen it, of course we'll give

59
00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:52,719
you a warning before we get into spoil. So Taylor

60
00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:53,599
that the floor is yours.

61
00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,879
Speaker 4: I am very thankful for the recaps, because fuck if

62
00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,599
I could remember much of season one going on.

63
00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:03,039
Speaker 5: There's a lot going on. A lot of stories, a

64
00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,599
lot of slow.

65
00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,960
Speaker 4: Dynamics that I when I revisiting in the recap thought, Okay,

66
00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:10,719
yeah that happened.

67
00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:15,080
Speaker 5: That happened, check check check. But it got us to

68
00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:15,919
where we are now.

69
00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:16,520
Speaker 6: Uh.

70
00:03:16,719 --> 00:03:18,960
Speaker 4: There are definitely some things that were introduced into that

71
00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:21,639
first season that I like, a lot of characters and

72
00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:23,520
a lot of dynamics that were a lot of fun

73
00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,319
to explore, and just this part of Middle Earth back

74
00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,840
on this this day and getting to see where these

75
00:03:29,879 --> 00:03:34,240
stories have kind of picked up and continued. I I'm

76
00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,719
enjoying it. I I there were a few things that

77
00:03:36,759 --> 00:03:39,039
I do have problems with, like you you'd meet Travis

78
00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:41,120
were talking earlier about like a couple of.

79
00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,479
Speaker 1: You messaged me, I have your number of blocks. I

80
00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:44,560
don't know what those said, but.

81
00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,400
Speaker 2: He doesn't care to discuss with us. Kirkland, but so

82
00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:48,960
good to know.

83
00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:54,919
Speaker 1: I knew Taylor was watching it at midnight right I did.

84
00:03:55,639 --> 00:03:58,000
Speaker 2: I had a big conflicting reports over here. I don't

85
00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:58,719
know what's going on.

86
00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,919
Speaker 1: I had a big plane that I had to go

87
00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,319
into Taynor because I knew he had seen at least episode.

88
00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:07,479
Speaker 6: One, like I don't know episode one, yeah, but there

89
00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,479
is a yeah, there's just there's there some things going

90
00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,360
on in this that I like, and yes, some other things.

91
00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,599
Speaker 4: That are just their highlighting. It's like, oh, that's kind

92
00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:17,319
of questionable. It doesn't add up, and I have one

93
00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:21,360
kind of I don't know how I would say it.

94
00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:25,399
I guess maybe it's like a maybe two problems with

95
00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,000
the story. Maybe I will defer to you guys on

96
00:04:28,319 --> 00:04:31,800
answering those two issues I have, because I feel like

97
00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:32,519
it's kind.

98
00:04:32,399 --> 00:04:34,879
Speaker 5: Of muffled a little bit because.

99
00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,720
Speaker 2: I don't get ready to get blasted with some lower questions.

100
00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,519
Speaker 1: You get one thing wrong, one star review coming. I

101
00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:45,160
don't know anything about Middle Earth like the similarium.

102
00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,759
Speaker 4: Well that's just that my knowledge of Middle Earth is

103
00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,360
pretty uh limited. But I was trying to dish it

104
00:04:50,399 --> 00:04:51,839
out to masks and be like, oh, you know, we

105
00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,959
got the star, we got the val all that. I'm

106
00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,199
just trying to name off all these terms, like I know,

107
00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:02,040
I know Eastar and Valor that stuff, but newman Or.

108
00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:07,319
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think she already it's been weeks.

109
00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:14,199
Speaker 1: The uh I'm still those are not himself.

110
00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,240
Speaker 4: There were there were there were some pretty hype moments

111
00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,399
though in these first three episodes. And this isn't a spoiler,

112
00:05:18,399 --> 00:05:21,800
but just like revisiting locations and the score clicks in

113
00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:23,959
and it drops like the title of like where We're at,

114
00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,279
it's like, oh, this is cool. I'm getting and getting

115
00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,959
super pumped about this. But uh, yeah, I feel like

116
00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,920
these first episodes because kind of like trickled in a

117
00:05:31,959 --> 00:05:34,720
couple of familiar things from Lord of the Rings that

118
00:05:34,759 --> 00:05:37,920
we we like maybe I just like, I won't speak

119
00:05:37,959 --> 00:05:39,639
for you guys, it was just cool to kind of

120
00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:42,639
see these familiarities and it didn't feel like it was

121
00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:45,160
a sell out or anything that was like a like

122
00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:49,600
a cash grab or anything playing on the heart strings

123
00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,240
too much. But just like all these things fit with

124
00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:52,720
the story that they're trying to tell.

125
00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:53,600
Speaker 3: Fit with the world building.

126
00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:56,560
Speaker 4: But I'm excited to get into the spoilers because of

127
00:05:56,879 --> 00:06:00,680
certain problems devote not not the was I have that

128
00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,920
are kind of convoluted with the overall plot of the story,

129
00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,000
but just just certain things and decision making and whatnot.

130
00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,199
And yeah, I tried to avoid being online and seeing

131
00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:14,480
what people are saying about the episode because I've seen.

132
00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:15,720
Speaker 3: I saw a brief.

133
00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,959
Speaker 1: One going around which I'm on board with the like,

134
00:06:19,399 --> 00:06:21,720
I think I think we went a little too far

135
00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,519
on this aspect here.

136
00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, but I passed my torch to someone else.

137
00:06:30,759 --> 00:06:34,319
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, let's take mister Musk, mister must.

138
00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:36,959
Speaker 6: Uh.

139
00:06:37,079 --> 00:06:37,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

140
00:06:37,319 --> 00:06:40,560
Speaker 2: I think for me going into this, like, I was

141
00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:45,000
not excited for this season. I liked the first season enough,

142
00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,759
I didn't love it. It wasn't as magical to me.

143
00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,839
I think what I remember the most is just like

144
00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,519
the amazing visuals, and there were some storylines that I

145
00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,839
really really loved and other ones that were more mid on.

146
00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:56,680
And I think the biggest issue I had with the

147
00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,800
first season was just sore on in general, even though

148
00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,279
a lot of it wasn't really revealed until kind of

149
00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:04,199
the end, and even then we saw to do some

150
00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,120
guesswork there. And even like going into this, I think

151
00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,800
every newscast where a trailer would have come up for this,

152
00:07:10,839 --> 00:07:12,240
I think I was just not on that week, so

153
00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:14,839
I don't. I hadn't seen any trailers for this going

154
00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:17,399
into it, and then I was even thinking about starting

155
00:07:17,439 --> 00:07:19,800
season one versus two. Obviously season one there was a

156
00:07:19,839 --> 00:07:22,480
new thing we didn't know what to expect at the time.

157
00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,560
We had some trailers, but it was like a kind

158
00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,480
of a new realm for Lord of the Rings, So

159
00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,360
there's kind of a question mark there. But then also

160
00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,920
when I went to the for the first season, they

161
00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:33,519
had like that limited screening had a movie theater, so

162
00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,079
I went and saw the first two episodes in a

163
00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,040
theater versus this season. I started like watching here on

164
00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,800
my computer monitor in my office, and then when Mudds

165
00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:43,720
was gone, I went and watched it on the TV

166
00:07:43,839 --> 00:07:46,079
out there. So it just it felt a lot less

167
00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,279
grand and enticing than the than the first season, at

168
00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,720
least to get started here. Is this another eight episode season.

169
00:07:52,439 --> 00:07:54,759
Speaker 1: As well, I believe, so yeah, so yeah, like we're.

170
00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,160
Speaker 2: Already almost halfway through after the first week. I think

171
00:07:58,199 --> 00:08:00,639
the doing the first three episodes was a good idea

172
00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,519
because I feel like this was very very slow start

173
00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,360
for me, or there's like a lot of the episodes

174
00:08:06,399 --> 00:08:09,439
going in there, there's like a little mini plots and

175
00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:12,319
then they all kind of like get resolved and then

176
00:08:12,319 --> 00:08:14,839
there obviously, of course there's still a lot of overarching things,

177
00:08:14,879 --> 00:08:16,680
but I just felt like we were kind of setting

178
00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,319
up some tension, but then the things that just got

179
00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:21,680
resolved in like very unsatisfactory ways. So overall, I'm not

180
00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:26,199
really enjoying this a lot so far. There are I

181
00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:28,040
can't even say there's a couple storylines that I'm enjoying

182
00:08:28,079 --> 00:08:30,000
yet because I haven't gotten to that point, which is

183
00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:31,800
too bad because right off the top of the first

184
00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,240
season there was things I was already pretty intrigued by.

185
00:08:34,879 --> 00:08:36,759
But I just feel like there's been a lot of

186
00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:38,919
like I don't know, patting it feels like in this

187
00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:43,000
season so far. So hopefully it goes a different direction.

188
00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:46,679
And yeah, I definitely have some questions because there's once

189
00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,879
again my man sore on here is just there's some

190
00:08:49,919 --> 00:08:52,279
things that I either just don't understand or it's just

191
00:08:52,279 --> 00:08:55,600
not working for me. So I definitely need to pick

192
00:08:55,639 --> 00:08:57,919
your guys' brains on some of that stuff. But yeah,

193
00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,360
unfortunately I don't really have a ton of positives yet,

194
00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:03,799
which is crazy after because the first episode was pretty long,

195
00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,080
so like three and a half hours of content, I

196
00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,360
think ish, So yeah, I don't know. I'm hoping that

197
00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:10,960
it picks up, but I'm.

198
00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,240
Speaker 1: To be clear, the first episode is not three and

199
00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,159
a half hours. If people are listening on Spoils, it's

200
00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,000
three and a half together.

201
00:09:15,039 --> 00:09:16,600
Speaker 2: First episodes, like an hour and a half right in

202
00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:17,320
another two.

203
00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,200
Speaker 1: Hours he said like that. First I was like, oh man,

204
00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:23,159
someone's like, that's a that's the whole fellowship.

205
00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:27,919
Speaker 2: Maybe with the ad prom maybe it becomes that long.

206
00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,440
But yeah, I don't know. I'm not not super hype

207
00:09:30,519 --> 00:09:32,480
so far with I've been said, there is a couple

208
00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:35,120
of things that seem kind of compelling as we get

209
00:09:35,159 --> 00:09:37,799
down the line here, so hopefully it picks up for

210
00:09:37,879 --> 00:09:38,879
me next week.

211
00:09:39,919 --> 00:09:42,399
Speaker 1: Well, if you haven't noticed for you might be newer,

212
00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:43,759
But if you're a long time listener, I think you've

213
00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:46,240
probably noticed. I try to stick to a formula here

214
00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,919
when I do the overalls and whatnot, right, usually at

215
00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,960
least someone who like it's a big franchise to last.

216
00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:53,919
That's why Kirkle is gonna go last, because we say

217
00:09:53,919 --> 00:09:56,279
he's the token boy. And I tried, and I had

218
00:09:56,279 --> 00:09:59,480
an inkling that Taylor is maybe more positive, so I

219
00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:02,679
let him go first. And then I was letting Dylan

220
00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:06,879
go first because I thought there's maybe first second first,

221
00:10:06,879 --> 00:10:09,480
because maybe there's a chance he was also positive as well,

222
00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:12,039
But then he wasn't, So then I unfortunately got to

223
00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,639
come in here and be that same route where I

224
00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:19,080
watched three and a half hours Middle Earth today. I

225
00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,240
don't know, the percentage of my enjoyment was very small.

226
00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:23,720
And this has coming from a guy who like I

227
00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:25,519
think I gave Season one like a nine ad ten

228
00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,240
or an eight point five at ten. Now I did

229
00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:30,000
not get to finish the rewatch. It just was a

230
00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:32,279
combination of I kind of forgot it was this week

231
00:10:32,639 --> 00:10:34,120
Emily and the kids end up being a home a

232
00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,039
lot more times. I just didn't feel like taking over

233
00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,559
the tving bust and over Outlaws ended up we got

234
00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,159
to play it a few days early. So that's where

235
00:10:40,159 --> 00:10:42,320
it's like, okay, so just things didn't line up. So

236
00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,200
I got about three episodes in, and I've told myself

237
00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,279
that I might do. I said in the cast, you're

238
00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,879
like a Matchetti order where watch something of this go back,

239
00:10:48,919 --> 00:10:51,960
et cetera. But even that first season not perfect. But

240
00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,080
I still even found the first three episodes like way

241
00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,000
more enthralling. And of course it's tough because it's like

242
00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,559
an origin, right, You're we know these characters, but you're

243
00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,559
meeting in this new world, new time, new iterations of

244
00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,320
the actors right, So now it's like, Okay, that's the

245
00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:10,159
setup and now we're here and I just I don't have.

246
00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,879
I'm with Dylan where I don't have. It's luckily it's

247
00:11:13,919 --> 00:11:16,279
not like Acolyte. It's not anything where I'm like, man,

248
00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:18,240
we've lost I matchic this really bad. I would never

249
00:11:18,279 --> 00:11:20,799
I don't think i'd say this is a bad show.

250
00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,360
I think there's some there are some choices that aren't great,

251
00:11:24,399 --> 00:11:26,320
and maybe they could teeter into bad. But I can

252
00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:28,720
never say it's a bad show. But it's also not

253
00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:31,720
a show that's right now making me care about anything.

254
00:11:31,799 --> 00:11:34,639
And the few things I did care or cause I

255
00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:36,559
think me and Tayor are more positive on sorrow. And

256
00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,039
at the end of season one, we're kind of like,

257
00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,080
at least myself, I was like, the well, I think

258
00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:41,799
they set it up in a way where okay, we

259
00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,399
can go a certain path, let's do this. Like I

260
00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,720
was optimistic. And I remember talking the discord with Mike

261
00:11:47,759 --> 00:11:49,399
and he was talking about like, oh, we heard you

262
00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,200
know some of you saying it's a lot like season one,

263
00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,360
and I was like, well, that's fine with me, because

264
00:11:53,399 --> 00:11:55,519
see I like season one, but now there is a

265
00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:57,759
point where I go, especially for two and a half,

266
00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,120
I guess an episode and a half there's stuff we're

267
00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,919
going on sorrow on other characters where it's just like

268
00:12:02,519 --> 00:12:06,320
do we there's huge paw lines Like an episode, I'm like,

269
00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,759
I don't think we needed this at all. I don't

270
00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:09,080
think this needs to be in the show. I don't

271
00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,559
think we got anything from it. So I think there's

272
00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,039
general just like the first season, it's slow, but it's

273
00:12:16,039 --> 00:12:18,799
like in right Now, it's an uninteresting slow. It's not

274
00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:20,360
like House of Drag and where I know there're in

275
00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:22,360
evil times, but I'm just comparing that because that's sometimes

276
00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,200
deemeds like, oh it's a slow show. But it's like

277
00:12:24,519 --> 00:12:26,799
there's these characters that are having these conversations I'm just

278
00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,039
enthralled with we're here. It's like, I don't know, these

279
00:12:30,039 --> 00:12:32,200
people have an argument in the drawers, sing at the mountain,

280
00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,039
and I just don't care, you know, Like I'm not

281
00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,559
caring about any of these characters. And the characters I

282
00:12:36,639 --> 00:12:39,159
were caring about, they did some things that I that's

283
00:12:39,159 --> 00:12:40,919
why I had talked to her. I did not enjoy,

284
00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,519
and now I don't really care about them, and it's

285
00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:47,440
just it just sucks because I feel like this show

286
00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,240
has been even more so, I cause I didn't think

287
00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:51,960
this season one. I just feel like some things are

288
00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,600
kind of dumbed down a little. I don't know why it,

289
00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:57,559
it's just a vibe and I will give explanations when

290
00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,360
we get there. Still visually looks good, except there's some

291
00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,320
really bad bugs. Cg. At one point in the show

292
00:13:02,399 --> 00:13:05,200
is you know, you know whatever, some wizard breaks open

293
00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:06,480
a tree and these bugs came out. I was like,

294
00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,080
what's going on here? Tod Amazon said, no bud budget.

295
00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:12,600
But other than that, looks good, scores good. There's sometimes

296
00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,720
they are in so close to Howard Short's score. I

297
00:13:14,759 --> 00:13:17,000
was like, can one of my brothers sue these people,

298
00:13:17,039 --> 00:13:20,000
because like there's some notes that are almost identical to

299
00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:25,360
the Jackson movies, Like they're getting really quote notes. They

300
00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,320
gotta be careful because that's not a token thing. That's

301
00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,159
you know, Howard Shore and Warnbo's everything. So like I guesaid, pause,

302
00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:34,720
and I don't think there's other than one character, which

303
00:13:34,759 --> 00:13:36,759
I'm not gonna rag on. We ragged on him enough

304
00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,480
last year. He's still not great. There's a certain car

305
00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,519
in here that's just I'm just gonna say it's a miscast.

306
00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:46,200
It is tough to watch this gentleman on screen, and

307
00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,879
I don't think he's like a tarle actor, but it's

308
00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,360
just it's tough that I don't think it's like bad acting.

309
00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:54,320
It's just so for me. This is maybe my most

310
00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,320
disappointing thing of twenty twenty four so far in the

311
00:13:57,399 --> 00:13:59,799
year is almost over. But I was more hyped and

312
00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,120
I I loved the season one and that's why now

313
00:14:02,159 --> 00:14:05,000
I want to rewatch it because now I'm okay, maybe

314
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,440
on a second rewatch, I was wrong, but so far

315
00:14:07,519 --> 00:14:10,360
what I've rewatched in season one I've enjoyed. So this

316
00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,279
was a big letdown for me. I'm hoping it picks up,

317
00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,559
but to have like three and a half hours of

318
00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,440
content and not really have much really big positive things

319
00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,799
to say is not a great confident booster for me.

320
00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,360
So big disappointment on my end. So I'll throw it

321
00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:27,840
over to her compatser.

322
00:14:28,559 --> 00:14:32,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is one I really did wish

323
00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,639
I watched season one again like beforehand, just because there

324
00:14:35,799 --> 00:14:38,080
was a lot of details I just was fuzzy on.

325
00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,320
I'm thankful for the recap going into it, but yeah,

326
00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,279
I just as soon as the first episode started, I'm like, man,

327
00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,919
I feel ill prepared for this show, just just pulling

328
00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,679
from last season. And you know, if you checked our reviews,

329
00:14:50,759 --> 00:14:54,200
last season got my overall thoughts there, Like, I feel

330
00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,480
like my positives on the show are pretty much the

331
00:14:57,519 --> 00:15:00,399
same of like what season was was where usually I

332
00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:02,799
think they're doing such a great job of just building

333
00:15:02,799 --> 00:15:06,519
the world of Middle Earth, like it it looks really fantastic,

334
00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:09,519
all the costumes and just like some of the visuals

335
00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:11,879
that were given. It's it's very very impressive what they're

336
00:15:11,919 --> 00:15:14,000
able to do. And I feel like I'm really looking

337
00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,639
for like okay, no, like like it's an hour and

338
00:15:18,759 --> 00:15:20,919
yeah thirty for the first episode, in like an hour

339
00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:26,639
or so on each after that, and I'm it's somewhere

340
00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:29,360
I'm looking for, like like a random someone in the

341
00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:32,200
back to look fuzzy, or like a random creature to

342
00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,279
be like okay, like where did they really slip up

343
00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:36,120
on the CGI trips? You said the bugs? I didn't

344
00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,480
really mind the bugs at all. I found like throughout

345
00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,919
the entire three episodes, I was just blown away visually.

346
00:15:40,919 --> 00:15:43,919
I thought it looked so amazing, and I thought the

347
00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:48,240
same for season one, and like my characters that I

348
00:15:48,279 --> 00:15:50,639
really loved, I I feel like I still really love

349
00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,519
them again, and like that's where because I didn't watch

350
00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:56,399
the first season, I like, I feel like I kind

351
00:15:56,399 --> 00:16:00,000
of was more positive maybe than I was expecting, because

352
00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,360
I had just really low It feels weird to say,

353
00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,799
like really low expectations, but I just because of going

354
00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,799
through season one and kind of getting a feeler for

355
00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,799
where we're going with the story and certain characters and

356
00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,200
their motivations and just certain characters interacting with each other,

357
00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,679
and just kind of accepting, like this story whereas you know,

358
00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,440
like some of the source material that they're pulling from,

359
00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:26,399
because they deviated from that in like various areas from

360
00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:30,039
season one and there still are continuing on. I'm just like, Okay,

361
00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:32,559
this is just the rules of engagement. I know how

362
00:16:32,559 --> 00:16:35,120
to prepare myself now, and I feel like because of that,

363
00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,000
I was able to just enjoy it a lot more,

364
00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:39,720
which is weird. I might be the most positive out

365
00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:43,000
of all of us for these first three episodes. I

366
00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,519
still have like the same complaints I think from the

367
00:16:45,559 --> 00:16:48,120
first season. I will say though, for our main Big

368
00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:54,399
Bad I am actually quite enjoying what's happening after I

369
00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,600
think season or sorry, after episode one, like like once

370
00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:01,279
we're getting minor spoiler into region and stuff like that.

371
00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,240
Like I feel like I agree with you guys, not

372
00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:08,200
a lot did happen, Especially if you compare it to

373
00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:11,160
something like How's the Dragon. I feel like it's a

374
00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,119
pretty safe show to compare it to, just because of like, well,

375
00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,039
it's a fantasy realm, but also just the scale of

376
00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,839
world that we're kind of dealing with and a lot

377
00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:23,480
of different moving factions. Because like I do think it's

378
00:17:23,519 --> 00:17:26,359
a great idea that we had three episodes for this start,

379
00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,039
because like there's no way we would have been able

380
00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:31,279
to touch on all of our same characters from the

381
00:17:31,279 --> 00:17:33,160
first season. Like it was a nice vee. It was

382
00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,640
kind of spaced out in that way. Even though not

383
00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,240
a lot happened, I still feel that because we were

384
00:17:39,319 --> 00:17:43,799
visiting various characters in different areas of the realm, we're

385
00:17:43,839 --> 00:17:46,880
able to see kind of more the macro changes that

386
00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,000
are happening in the world right now. And by that

387
00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,839
I mean just how everything is shifting after the events

388
00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:56,359
of season one and how the world is kind of

389
00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,200
feeling the effect of our big bad like doing the

390
00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,559
next stage of his plan, and I feel like, for me,

391
00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,119
that's the most exciting part about it. So just kind

392
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,799
of like the discourse that's starting to fracture, maybe the

393
00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,359
order that's around the world, and I love how we're

394
00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,079
able to kind of visit the different realms, whether it's

395
00:18:15,079 --> 00:18:17,480
the New Minorians or the Dwars and Kas of Doom

396
00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:21,519
and just kind of like feel everyone start to feel

397
00:18:21,559 --> 00:18:24,720
something nefarious is at play here. So for me, I

398
00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:27,400
feel like I just really enjoyed that going forward. I'm

399
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:32,000
curious if that hinders or sways going forward, but like

400
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,240
we do have a great big battle that was shown

401
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,799
in the trailers that we still have to lead up to.

402
00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,680
So I am actually optimistic. I think even after these

403
00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,519
episodes going forward and because of where we are with

404
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,000
Souron and kind of what's going on with him and

405
00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:49,039
other people around him, I'm intrigued as to what's to come.

406
00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,400
So yeah, I'm kind of surprised that by the end

407
00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:53,960
of the because I feel like I was kind of

408
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,920
going on like a roller coaster ride while watching these

409
00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,200
episodes where it's like, ah, I hate this, I hate

410
00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,480
this decision, this is awful, and then there'll be just

411
00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:02,519
some great visual piece. I'm like, man, this is just

412
00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:05,400
eye candy. I'm really loving this. The budget for the

413
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,240
show is I don't remember what it is, but it's

414
00:19:07,279 --> 00:19:13,160
just like insanely high. Yeah, it's insanely high, and it

415
00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,640
is unfortunate that maybe there's not more memorable moments to

416
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,880
kind of shout out. But I'm hoping that maybe by

417
00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:20,839
the end of the season, I'm able to look at

418
00:19:20,839 --> 00:19:23,680
it as just like a really solid start to finish story,

419
00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:28,480
because i feel like Tolkien stories in general are They're

420
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,759
not They're not sprints, you know, like like Fellowship of

421
00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:35,240
the Ring, Two Towers, Return of the King, Like those

422
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,519
are marathon type adventures, and they should feel that way

423
00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:42,880
because it is just a very grand adventure. But I

424
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,680
so I think I think just the pacing didn't really

425
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,880
bother me in that sense. But it also, I guess

426
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,799
helped that my expectations were a little bit adjusted because

427
00:19:52,839 --> 00:19:55,720
of that first season. So yeah, I'm curious how I'm

428
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,440
gonna feel by the end of it, because, like I

429
00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,279
said already, like I'm just able to maybe except now

430
00:20:01,319 --> 00:20:03,200
the rules of what's going on in this world, you know,

431
00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,880
I'm not getting Kelliborne maybe maybe maybe one day where

432
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,079
is Keliborne. Oh would so like very much to speak

433
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,559
to him, right, Yeah, glad you he's caught like I know,

434
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,200
but it's just I feel like from season one, I

435
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,240
was like expecting to see those sort of things and uh, yeah,

436
00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:25,119
that's just where we're at. But no, it's good and

437
00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,319
definitely Howard shoorisms I got from the score You're not

438
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,799
alone there, Travis, I was. I mean, I was just

439
00:20:30,839 --> 00:20:34,319
eating it up because I just love that soundtrack. But yeah,

440
00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:37,200
definitely a just question, my liege.

441
00:20:37,599 --> 00:20:40,319
Speaker 1: There we go, Well, laiji on, this should be an

442
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,599
interesting one. So we're getting into spoils. We take our

443
00:20:42,599 --> 00:20:44,599
first AD break and then we'll get into it. So

444
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,319
we're right back and we're back. And if you want

445
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,160
to just get into it and not hear anything, no ads,

446
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,519
go to Patren where you get episodes ad free, early

447
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,480
and exclusive. Everything we do is up there ad free.

448
00:20:58,039 --> 00:21:00,000
This weekend, we'll be dropping an episode of the original,

449
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,640
which was a fascinating We talked about life and world

450
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,440
in five billion years and ringing bells and graveyards and

451
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,160
how we're gonna die or not that, but what we're

452
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,359
gonna do with our bodies. It was a very different

453
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,279
type of Originals episode, so check out that. And that's

454
00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:16,839
the best way to support us, you can. You know,

455
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,480
we just reviewed children men. We're gonna be reading promising

456
00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:22,359
young women. If you want us to review something on there,

457
00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,519
you can come Patreon producer. There's tons of tears and

458
00:21:25,599 --> 00:21:27,200
tons of benefits. You can go there and choose, and

459
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,000
we would very much appreciate if that's if you can

460
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,480
spare some change, we would thank you very much because

461
00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,200
we are independent channeled and you guys keep it running.

462
00:21:34,279 --> 00:21:37,759
You support all these extra shows and reviews. So okay,

463
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,200
let's do so on first, I want to tell it.

464
00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:41,960
I feel like we all want to go there. Yeah

465
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,400
hell yeah, So okay, so mister Vickers here like the

466
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,559
actor still again, I don't have any really complaints with

467
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,400
them here.

468
00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:49,759
Speaker 5: I.

469
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,039
Speaker 1: So we do this this semi The show starts not

470
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,880
with a flashback, but it's a flashback for us, right

471
00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,720
because they didn't show us in season one, So this

472
00:21:59,839 --> 00:22:02,440
is in season one at Oursley, I killed sorrow, right,

473
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,640
so they shows Kate. Here's a scene of them assassinating

474
00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:09,279
a sar On in his chambers here and anyways, so yeah,

475
00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:11,960
they kill him all good dandy, he blows up into

476
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,799
an ice monster. You he which also I have a

477
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,279
question is because he can take many forms, could he

478
00:22:19,319 --> 00:22:20,359
take the form of a woman.

479
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't see why not.

480
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 1: Just feel like that one might have been a smart

481
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,680
move for him. Everyone's looking for a dude. But I digress.

482
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:28,920
Just when we bumped in that woman and we never

483
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,640
knew what happened to her, so we bumped her and

484
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,480
we see his transformation in Halbraun takes her just clothes cool,

485
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,200
and then we meet Galadrol on the boat. But in

486
00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:40,079
between that he meets us like these men and these

487
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,160
villagers and everything like that, And I anyone can take

488
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,559
the stick here, anyone can answer what I'm missing here,

489
00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:51,079
because I'm glad to be wrong. But I just I

490
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:55,960
don't know if I need this like crisis of conscience

491
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,720
that someone's having in these moments here, and we have

492
00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:00,400
this guy tell him. I'm like, well, if you pick

493
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,920
the good path and you stick to it, it'll become nature.

494
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,519
It's like I don't need, And sorrow's over here crying

495
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,440
like I don't need any of this. Like I think

496
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,720
it's we've as a movie culture maybe over corrected after

497
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,960
Thanos where it's like, man, every villain has to we

498
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,559
got a feel for them. We gotta understand you. No,

499
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,599
like sorrow to me should just be power hungry. And

500
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,799
I'm not saying he has be dumb, but I did

501
00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:25,640
not understand what we're like, why is any character trying

502
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,640
to make us care about sore On? I don't know

503
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,359
learning good Nature, it did not track for me at all.

504
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,039
So in the first temnes, I'm like, we're off to

505
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,359
a bad start for me personally, and I didn't get it.

506
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't love the opening at all. Of like

507
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,559
I really wasn't a fan of just how it started

508
00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:45,119
with Souron. From this point on, I didn't really get

509
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,039
that from the conversation at all. It's it's more so

510
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,920
just like he's not even born again. It's just like

511
00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:56,519
I feel like he has to return there and he's like,

512
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,920
look in this fire. He's looking I did not get

513
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,119
like like sad eyes in that moment. I found like vengeance.

514
00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: He's got tears in his eyes at that.

515
00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:09,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Anakin level eyes. That's what I was getting, Like,

516
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:11,119
like I'm looking in the fire.

517
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,039
Speaker 4: It felt like it was a reevaluation because he really

518
00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:16,200
didn't think that he was gonna get fucked up by

519
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,119
his crew, right.

520
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:20,039
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I feel like I look

521
00:24:20,079 --> 00:24:21,920
at it a bit differently. I'm almost looking at it

522
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,480
the same way as I'm looking at it's called still

523
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,680
called the Stranger, but he's definitely Gandalf at this point.

524
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:31,480
I would assume, yeah, where he's like he has, you know,

525
00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:34,599
some disposition of him that he's a good guy. Or

526
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,319
once again, if I'm assuming it's Gandolf, maybe it's Sorrowmunks.

527
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,200
We've seen how there's like different sides to him, right,

528
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,319
But he's like trying to piece it together, and like

529
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,880
it takes time for that to happen. And I don't

530
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,319
know where the lore puts like the Wizards versus like

531
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,319
what Sauron is as a being, but I kind of

532
00:24:49,319 --> 00:24:50,759
feel like that's what happened, like when he turned in

533
00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,440
to the fucking ooze, slips down of the cave, cuts

534
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,079
the black comes back. Who knows how long that amount

535
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,599
of time is, but to me, it's almost like he's

536
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,000
like recalibrating, and so he's probably pulling from all these

537
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,720
different I don't know, personality traits and we're kind of

538
00:25:05,759 --> 00:25:07,920
slowly getting to that disposition, But I don't know, maybe

539
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,240
even thought he could just like control those people or

540
00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:11,960
they could be a good starting point, whereas if he

541
00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:14,119
just kept walking down the road, there would have been

542
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,319
like nothing there for him. So I guess I did

543
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,039
interpreted that one scene differently, but that to me what

544
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,680
it felt like when he was kind of just bumbling

545
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,759
around in the first episode, That's kind of the vibe

546
00:25:23,759 --> 00:25:25,160
I was getting is that he was just kind of

547
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,559
like he was almost like a newborn baby, Like he

548
00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:29,559
was like, I'm going to rediscover the world a little bit,

549
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:32,319
not like fully from scratch, and definitely not to the

550
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,160
extent that the Stranger was. So I don't know what

551
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,680
the difference would be there, but yeah, that's kind of

552
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,640
what I was taking.

553
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:38,839
Speaker 1: Out of it.

554
00:25:39,079 --> 00:25:40,839
Speaker 3: I think I think like a reoccurring issue that I

555
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,880
have with the show in general is just like the

556
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,440
scale of time. It's kind of hard to to figure

557
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:47,319
out because there.

558
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: Is a beef for that. In like episode three, for.

559
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 3: Sure, there is obvious time jumps, like from the time

560
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,079
that Souron dies, like it's not like the next day

561
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,960
he just becomes venom and starts slurping up centipedes, and

562
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,960
rats and stuff like that, like to get his like

563
00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:06,400
form back, it's like hundreds of hundreds of hundreds of

564
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,680
years like to get to that point. So that and

565
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:10,599
like it don't even really touch upon that at all.

566
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,680
It's just like it shows him in the cave. It

567
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,559
doesn't even show like five years later or anything like that.

568
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,759
It's just it's just it's just like lighting kind of

569
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,599
changes and then he starts like moving again. So it's

570
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,119
really not clear at all how much time has passed

571
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,680
in that point. But to answer your question, Dylan, like

572
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:30,880
the Astari, which is what Gandalf, Soarn all those guys are.

573
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,119
They're all Mayar and Sarn was a Myar at some point,

574
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,400
so they were basically the same type of being, just

575
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,279
like how you and me are both humans. Like it's

576
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:42,160
like they're basically on the same level. I think Suron

577
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:45,200
was like much much stronger than what they were just

578
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,599
when they were all in their other realm. But but

579
00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:54,400
for for Gandalf, I feel like it makes kind of

580
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,799
more sense for him to be just completely like amnesia

581
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,880
of like when he comes back back to Earth, because

582
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,079
it's like he's walking in the in those shoes for

583
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,079
the first time. Whereas for Soarn, like he's been there,

584
00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:08,559
done that, like like he kind of knows what's going on,

585
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,480
and and like Travis to your point of him like

586
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:16,920
almost having like a existential crisis on it.

587
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,839
Speaker 1: This guy good nature, He's not gonna turn.

588
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,279
Speaker 3: But I like that though. But I like that though

589
00:27:24,319 --> 00:27:27,640
because Soaron wasn't fully evil always like he was like

590
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,400
the same being as what Gandalf was, right, like he

591
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,240
only got corrupted by the idea of what Morgoth was.

592
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,319
And when Morgoth got fucked up, Saron was so like

593
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:40,480
just embarrassed to like have to go back to like

594
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,759
the Valar and just say like I'm sorry for joining him,

595
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,480
Like he like his own ego and pride stopped him

596
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,880
from doing that. But he wasn't like instantly trying to

597
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:49,759
be the more.

598
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: None of this is in the show. That's what I mean,

599
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,680
Like I can't go but like the.

600
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 3: Character traits makes sense to me for for him, that's

601
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,599
good fully evil after that happens.

602
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't have this shot by all my home in

603
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,279
this show. I don't have this backstory in this show.

604
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,200
He was a deceiver and then he's revealed to be

605
00:28:06,279 --> 00:28:08,920
the most ultimate evil in the Middle Earth, Right, so

606
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,599
there's not been any of this in the show to

607
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,799
be like, oh, this is why he feels X, Y

608
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:15,680
and Z, this is why he would listen to this guy,

609
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:17,519
this is why he would act like this. And same

610
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:19,880
thing with her to the Power said, that's another problem

611
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,640
with me, where yeah, he regroups and then you know,

612
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,200
a couple episodes later he's I don't know, he's turned

613
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,079
into an angel his l formula not.

614
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 3: Like they don't get the Jesus class.

615
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my thing is like, it doesn't seem like

616
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,640
he's missing any of his power right now for us

617
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,079
as a viewer. Right, So when he's just kind of

618
00:28:38,079 --> 00:28:41,359
like sinn around hanging on, hanging out at ours camp,

619
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,480
I'm like, what are we doing here? Why? Like why

620
00:28:43,799 --> 00:28:46,519
why is surrender? Like he's just chaining up just I'm

621
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:48,319
just going on, I'm gonna talk to this dog for

622
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:51,839
a little bit. I'm like, that whole subplot that r

623
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,519
to me could have chop it all all gone, don't

624
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:55,039
need it.

625
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: It's not really tell much physical power he has. To me,

626
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:58,880
it seems like he doesn't have very much of that

627
00:28:59,039 --> 00:28:59,359
right now.

628
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,319
Speaker 3: And has that been shown at any point like in

629
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,400
season one, like you're the one that rewatched some of

630
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,559
it at least, like it's not in.

631
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: The first three episodes, because.

632
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,759
Speaker 3: He's shown with power like at all throughout the I

633
00:29:08,759 --> 00:29:09,279
don't think so.

634
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,839
Speaker 1: No, But then next episode, like in the same time period,

635
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,519
that's when he's turned into like sar On Jesus. That's

636
00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:18,240
what I mean. Like, if he can do that, he

637
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,440
should have some tricks to Like I don't understand why

638
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,359
he's just hanging out of the camp. You know, this

639
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,079
guy can also make these powerful rings and have influence.

640
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,680
He can talk to this.

641
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: Completely different from like just popping off on Adar and

642
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,319
his and his homies in his camp. Like that's completely different,

643
00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:36,559
I guess. But he can really powerful as well. But

644
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:38,319
like throw her in the camp, I'm sure she's gonna

645
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:39,119
be pretty useless.

646
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:41,559
Speaker 1: Is she powerful though? I don't know. I don't know

647
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:44,720
she has a ring of power man not this season.

648
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the only powers right now, stupid stupid ring.

649
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's something I wanted to ask too.

650
00:29:51,519 --> 00:29:54,160
In terms of the power sex. Yeah, to me, it

651
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,680
seems like he doesn't have any sort of like crazy

652
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,720
Jedi mind trick kind of powers yet. But what he

653
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:03,319
does potentially have is like this the deceiver thing, which Kirk,

654
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:05,160
when you were talking about a lot in season one

655
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,720
and you were very excited, you know, to get to

656
00:30:07,759 --> 00:30:10,440
that point, and it's interesting now that we're there. But

657
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:13,839
I'm curious, like how much of that is like the

658
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,960
Jedi thing where he just like waves his arm and

659
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,680
people do exactly what he says regardless of their disposition,

660
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,039
versus like him just having a lot of charisma and

661
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,519
and and convincing people. Because when he is just to

662
00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:27,839
add our like if you let me go, I'm gonna

663
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,799
go to the elves and I'm gonna help find so

664
00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:33,559
on on, He's like, okay, it it was so quick

665
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,119
and so easy, and to me, it wasn't like a

666
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,440
display of like, wow, this is a really conniving villain

667
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,240
who really outsmarted him with like some really really clever dialogue.

668
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,240
He just he said like almost nothing.

669
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:46,559
Speaker 4: And then I think that fear though, I think that's

670
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:49,720
why Ada just agreed.

671
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: Power like at work. It's it's like dyl like the

672
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,200
charisma thing that you're talking about, like that is the

673
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,599
power that he has over people as well.

674
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,119
Speaker 1: I think with Dylan Ware, I don't think the show

675
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,519
is showing that, and my problem is with him with Galadil,

676
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,440
with Calibourne. There if you peel, I haven't seen an endgame.

677
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,440
I'm sorry about to spoil.

678
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 3: You know.

679
00:31:10,119 --> 00:31:12,759
Speaker 1: At some point they put uh, what's it Rody and

680
00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:14,400
Neblo on a mission, right, and they go back to

681
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,920
twenty fourteen. They see Peter Quill and they get this

682
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,599
whole backstory of what happened. Roddy's kind of unsure, and

683
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,319
then when they go to find Peter Quill, he looks

684
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,160
at me and goes, oh, so he's an idiot. Huh.

685
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,359
That's how I feel about every character in the show.

686
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:28,279
Where I don't feel that it's start on being clever,

687
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,359
it's these people are dumb. Like Calbourne is like, how

688
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,119
can I trust you? And then he goes this is

689
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,000
episode one, I don't know it's episode two where he goes, well,

690
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:38,039
I like to glad Role, I'm not gonna do that

691
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:40,920
to you because I lost her trust, okay, And then

692
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,640
it shows you know, I'm whatever his name is, right,

693
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,079
what's his name? His elder name? Anatar? Yeah? You know

694
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,200
you know everything about me? And then the next day

695
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,480
like I can't remember now, I've already for the scene,

696
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,079
I had my notes somewhere, but I think it's about

697
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:56,799
the High King or whatever it is. And he's like, well,

698
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,519
I didn't tell you something, so literally he said, I'm

699
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:00,920
never gonna lie you because I don't want to lose

700
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,680
your trust. And then the next episode it's like, well

701
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:04,720
I did, like and then Calbourn's like, well, I guess

702
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:07,599
that's a new development, like these people are, and I

703
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,599
just I get it because that's what mean Tara talking

704
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,519
about of Oh, it's the rings of power there. You know,

705
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,920
they can deceive you, they can want those power. But

706
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,200
to me, for Galadril to know, and I'm not sure

707
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,640
if it's like this in the books, do they know

708
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:22,359
when they get these rings that they're from Saarn?

709
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,039
Speaker 3: There from these rings?

710
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,079
Speaker 1: But they had his touch on it, right.

711
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: That's why in the events of the Lord of the Rings,

712
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:33,440
the Elvis rings are the only ones that don't get

713
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,319
corrupted because Saron had nothing to do with those rings.

714
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,839
Speaker 1: Didn't he. Last season though they showed him with Calburn

715
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,960
like sitting there, they're like butting up.

716
00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 5: But he didn't get his hands on them, did he not.

717
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: That's why it's such a big deal that he's there.

718
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,680
Now because he's helping Kelliborn make these rings for the

719
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,880
Dwarfs nine for the men doomed to die, like the

720
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,759
prophecy happening now. So these three rings good Elvis rings. Yes,

721
00:32:57,799 --> 00:32:59,960
completely completely uncorruptible.

722
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's maybe going forward, completely ungrupable. But I

723
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,440
think my issue with it was, though, was they at

724
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,200
this point they're just even worried that he did do

725
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:15,599
something with the rings, right, that's Elron's holes fear.

726
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,279
Speaker 3: And that's where I was like, I feel like I

727
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:19,839
forgot something from the last season, Like I don't remember

728
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,000
him being so extreme in that sense.

729
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,759
Speaker 1: And that's why you know, he was very aloof in

730
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,640
season one. He was just going where the blend took him.

731
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,440
But for me, for Galadri, who all season one got

732
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:32,440
twisted and mind deft by this guy and all episode one,

733
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:35,799
but I really failed to be like, hey these rings, sorry,

734
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:37,359
am I have done something? To Him's like oh okay

735
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:39,759
and puts it on. I was like, well, I can't

736
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,119
really get behind Gladeral anymore because it just to me,

737
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,920
this doesn't make sense. So for me, it's these characters

738
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,279
are just kind of doing things at the plotter, Well,

739
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:48,880
we have to get to this point. And that's why

740
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,920
I don't. I'm with I know I went on some tangents,

741
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,200
but I agree if that's what Dylan said, I don't.

742
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,880
And I think the actor could actually do it, But

743
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,680
I don't think they're making star and come up as

744
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,359
charismatic enough. It's just like a video game picked the diplomatic,

745
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:03,880
you know, answer say that and then yes, I agree,

746
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,079
I'll do this for like, it's not coming off as

747
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,880
genuine these interactions.

748
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:10,519
Speaker 4: Sorry, I was just gonna say, I feel like there

749
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:13,519
are small moments of him being charismatic, but mostly it's

750
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:18,199
him just like insinuating fear, like with Addor or with Calibrinbor,

751
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:22,159
He's just changing into this deity like I am your partner,

752
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,519
and Calibrifor is like.

753
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Like to point with Addur. Then if

754
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,480
if like you're saying, this guy has no powers on,

755
00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:32,039
then why is he even listening to this guy? Why

756
00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:33,639
isn't he just chopping his head off? Like what.

757
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,639
Speaker 3: Was so terrified?

758
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:39,599
Speaker 4: He believes Saren was dead? And then this guy's like,

759
00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:41,719
you know, sarahen is alive. I know I know where

760
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,760
he is. He's like what, like, holy fuck, that's a

761
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:44,840
game change, no other.

762
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,199
Speaker 2: Question, random freaking guy who's listened by him, Like, wouldn't

763
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,239
anyone say like a similar thing.

764
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: I know, I don't think Saron is like a well

765
00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:56,079
known thing amongst men though, especially like you have a

766
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:57,719
man who's claiming to be like a king of the

767
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,400
Southlands who's there, he's out looks at him as a

768
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,480
king at least in this regard with his identity, and

769
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,079
this king just happens to say, like, Okay, sourn he

770
00:35:07,199 --> 00:35:10,199
survived different form, and I know how to find him

771
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:11,840
because I'm friends with the Alms. Like that's all these

772
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,119
different things, Like holy shit, this is a lot of

773
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:16,840
a lot of notes that maybe sound real, not just

774
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,519
a guy saying Souron's alive and leave in it at that.

775
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:23,880
But there's enough convincing pillars there to stoke the fear

776
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:24,360
that is.

777
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: An Adar and the orcs.

778
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: I'd saying to me, it's hard any of it's hard

779
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,280
to believe if he doesn't literally have some magic that

780
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,400
like fucks with people's brains other than not like not

781
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:38,280
just him being charismatic and well spoken, because even like

782
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,119
he mind controls that one of the wolf creatures to

783
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,119
like kill the other guy and leave him alone. And

784
00:35:44,159 --> 00:35:46,679
that's not a conscious creature that is going to listen

785
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,760
to reason, So maybe he just knows how those things tick.

786
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,400
But even that, like to get him to get it

787
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,559
to not attack him, sure, I can believe that to

788
00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:58,559
get it to ten minutes later attack this other guy

789
00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:00,400
who was in the camp, Like, it just seems too

790
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,719
specific for him to not have some sort of like

791
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,880
special power that he's usual utilizing, and like it's hard

792
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,199
for me to I really like Calibrinbore in the first season,

793
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:14,159
but like everything he's well, he doesn't like him being

794
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,679
literally his mind being like rewired by Sarn's magic.

795
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 4: He does it on the fish too, right, it's gonna

796
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,440
swallow him up, and he like force speaks to it,

797
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,679
and the sea monster swims away and ablides him.

798
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:29,119
Speaker 3: Right, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry sir. Yeah, you guys

799
00:36:29,159 --> 00:36:31,320
are definitely bringing up fair points that I feel like

800
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,760
I just didn't really think about while I'm watching it,

801
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,719
because there is a lot of things that just kind

802
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,199
of are glossed over, And I think a big one

803
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:43,960
for that is just Sourn's kind of like power over

804
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:47,320
people in the sense of like his like I feel

805
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,000
like chritism is like not even a strong enough word

806
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:50,800
for it, because it's just like such a force that

807
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,199
he's able to like really deceive people. And that's why

808
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,480
he's able to cause never mind, that's gonna be a

809
00:36:57,519 --> 00:36:59,400
spoiler for the show, so I just won't even say it.

810
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:01,360
But I don't know.

811
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: We don't know where it's going though.

812
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe someone doesn't. I don't know, But like

813
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,280
I I like, for me, especially for I'll just talk

814
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,760
about Killibrinboro here. For me, it's definitely there's some moments

815
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,840
when he seems a little just stupid, but I feel

816
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,199
like I'm able to buy it because of Souron's just

817
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,599
really convincing words to him about just like him trying

818
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:30,519
to be basically the next fan Or and fan Or

819
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:33,079
is the guy that made the Simariles. That's just like

820
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,719
the most it's it's just it's like better than the Ring,

821
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,119
Like it's just it's just the most sought after objects.

822
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:42,119
And he's that's why just such a craftsman. Kelibrinbor is

823
00:37:42,159 --> 00:37:45,199
just trying to almost not even necessarily live up to

824
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:47,239
the name, but just like the legacy of being that

825
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,840
master craftsman. And I love how Souron was able to

826
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,559
just like drop that line on him and make him

827
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:54,079
just like, oh I I like I could do this,

828
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:57,719
especially that he's already seen the effectiveness of the Rings

829
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,159
of Power, right like like the fact that they ar

830
00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:03,599
healing Linden, Like, all of those things, for me are

831
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:06,679
maybe filling in the gaps of stuff that we're not

832
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,840
actually getting said on screen. So definitely, I think that

833
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,039
is a downfall of the show overall, because it should

834
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:14,880
be clear, it should be clear to everyone on like

835
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:18,000
why his power is able to work in this way,

836
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:20,719
because otherwise, to your guys' point, like it just seems

837
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,159
like these people that he's interacting with are really stupid,

838
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:25,679
and these people are definitely not stupid, Like there's some

839
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,360
of the most powerful and interesting characters that are in

840
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,039
the entire Tolkien universe. And I think that's definitely a

841
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,440
downfall of the show overall. But for me just kind

842
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:40,000
of seeing like this visual representation, you know, different variation,

843
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:43,360
but still the story that I really just love of

844
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,760
the foundation of the Rings and that stuff. That's where

845
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,599
maybe I'm just a lot more positive on it, But

846
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:52,360
I still think that they are they're missing something about

847
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,320
really emphasizing like Sarah and anatar now, like his influence

848
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,119
on the world, because this whole season is going to

849
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:02,480
be him doing this to people, not just klib Brinbore right,

850
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:06,079
Like he's gonna be whispering sweet nothings into everyone's year

851
00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:08,960
throughout this entire season. He's gonna be what worm Tongue

852
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,920
could only dream of being. So I'm looking forward to that.

853
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:16,320
I hope that maybe they just do it better and

854
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,400
uh yeah, more clear to everyone.

855
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: I just want a little bit more tact in the

856
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,400
there writing for it, so that it can almost feel

857
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,840
like it's a bit more on the line of, Okay,

858
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,000
how much is this magic power versus how much is

859
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:31,440
this like him just being a really smart, cunning, deceiving

860
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:34,440
type of character, because that is like really compelling stuff.

861
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,320
Like even like he's had a lot of scenes with

862
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,599
Calibrinbore now, and so some of it does make a

863
00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:41,079
lot of sense, Like him, he's really playing on calibrin

864
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:44,119
Bore's ego and like, oh these rings, man, they worked

865
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:46,360
and they fucking crushed it. We should make them more

866
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,480
like that, Like that would totally make sense that would

867
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,360
want to convince him. But I also feel like he

868
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,559
is way too trusting right off the bat, especially with

869
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:55,400
how weird that whole sequence is to me, where he

870
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,559
shows up at the gate they let him in the

871
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:01,280
first place, which is kind of weird. Why does Calibrimble

872
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,480
like lets him in to talk to him, But then

873
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:04,920
he's like, actually, I don't really want to talk to

874
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,199
this guy. And then the guy is like they tell

875
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,079
him to leave, and he's like, I don't actually want

876
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:12,800
to leave, and they're like okay, And then like a

877
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,880
day later, Calibrin Boor is like, okay, I guess to

878
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,840
go talk to him now and tell him to leave myself,

879
00:40:17,039 --> 00:40:19,199
and then that's when the convincing happened. It just feels

880
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,320
like a little bit too janky in the actual like

881
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:24,880
plot line of the writing of that sequence.

882
00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 4: But the convincing wasn't necessarily Calibrimbor. It was on he

883
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:34,119
put his charisma onto that servant elf, that handmaid in

884
00:40:34,159 --> 00:40:36,920
the alf right, like even just showing that he was

885
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,159
super injured in the way he was talking to her,

886
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,440
and he obviously was pretty confident in knowing that she

887
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,360
would go to vouch for him when speaking to Calibrinboor.

888
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,880
And you're right, you make a good point with Calibrinbore's

889
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,400
ego and he always playing off of that, and I

890
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,840
think it's just like any any creative artist out there.

891
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,760
You get hooked onto your work and you want to

892
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,480
be the best. And he's loubing this threat over calibrim Or, like, hey,

893
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,639
it could all be taken away. You need to you

894
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:05,760
need to keep going at And when KLi Brimbore was

895
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,679
just turned on a dime, like oh, I'm gonna lie

896
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,400
to the hiking and just write this letter like oh

897
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,679
the forgers are closed, Like fuck, that was a pretty

898
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,599
hefty thing to do. But I just I like that

899
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:20,920
he's playing off of that weakness with him. But I

900
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,920
don't think it's gonna last very long. But of course

901
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,119
you got him pretending to be sent by the Valor,

902
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:31,320
and that just totally shuts out whatever weirdness there was

903
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,480
about him standing at the gates for like three days

904
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:36,280
or however long. He was just like standing there looking

905
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,639
making it rain and making the storms.

906
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: And like like yeah, because like the val are to them,

907
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:44,719
like that would be a believable thing, especially if it

908
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,440
happens in that way of just like pure magic that

909
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,960
he just changes form speaking to him through the fire

910
00:41:50,039 --> 00:41:55,400
and just comes down from the heavens like that makes sense. Oh,

911
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,159
there's something you're talking about Killer Brimbore there, No, it's

912
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:01,519
alluded to me. Maybe we'll come back.

913
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was completely fine with that. Off he's given

914
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,039
the whole pitch of hey, this could be the darkest

915
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:08,039
time ever, we need to do this and Calbary Moore

916
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:09,719
and first like, I don't know, like that's a lot.

917
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:12,320
I get him turning on that even if there's no

918
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,760
like charismatic Jedi mind trick of just this guy turns

919
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,639
into a practical age like Okay, I think I believe you.

920
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:21,000
You know, like clearly this is something went on. I

921
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,480
did not like the standing outside. It was weird, especially

922
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:28,880
because the reason is he's like, well says uh Gladul said,

923
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,920
not to have anything to do with him. And the

924
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,840
first thing Soren zech is, oh Gladuro said, you would

925
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,119
say that, it's just like you're not gonna press him anymore.

926
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,400
It's like, wouldn't you be kind of if someone said, hey,

927
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,840
don't talk to Dylan, and then that Dylan I had

928
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,639
the same conversation and I was like, oh that I

929
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,239
just talked to that person, be like, well, that's really odd.

930
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,159
That person said to have nothing to do with you,

931
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,079
but they don't talk about that. He just says that,

932
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,159
and then they move right into the conversation and let's

933
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:53,280
be in sides. So it's like, I'd not like this same thing.

934
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,320
Why wouldn't the guards score him the first time? He's like,

935
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,559
it's been a couple I think they only say it

936
00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:59,480
was one day. But still it's like, all right, you

937
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,920
better leave now or you're gonna be escorted out. Why

938
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,320
wasn't that the first move if you've been like worn

939
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,199
by Gladial, Hey, don't associate with this guy going forward.

940
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,519
There's something up with him. It was. It was very

941
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,679
odd to me. I wish there was another at that point.

942
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,199
I wish she just got in and Calibrinmoorren was just

943
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:17,400
curious the first time he came in and had a conversation, right, oh,

944
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,519
well whatever, Gladual says, that's fine. I'm gonna make my

945
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:21,679
own opinion, not like no, I won't let him in,

946
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,599
And then uh yeah, that character.

947
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 2: Security would be way better in that city. But maybe

948
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,400
it's just shit security and that would make a little

949
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:28,760
more sense.

950
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: Well, which even it's weird because they she's like, well,

951
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,239
there's someone requesting her presence, but they've already let him

952
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,599
in the gate. Usually it'd be like, hey, he's on

953
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:41,039
the other side of the gate. It's this guy, Yes,

954
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:41,760
go ahead and comes in.

955
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 3: But it's like he.

956
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 2: Probably mind trick of course.

957
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:47,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they might get more into that as the seat,

958
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:49,320
because we've seen some previews where it's like, looks like

959
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,360
calibrinmore was in like a hell dark like area, so

960
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,679
it might look like, of Okay, maybe they're gonna show like, oh,

961
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,559
from all he's always been doing this. But I just

962
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:00,920
wish there was more of a even if it was

963
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,480
a music cue, something fun to do with the camera,

964
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,840
just something and maybe just better rid the scenes. But

965
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,679
I like the version he's playing here, and I still

966
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:13,719
always thought the actor Vickers is doing a good job, well.

967
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: Better this season around than the first season.

968
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 3: I agree. I remember what it was for Calibrin Bore.

969
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,239
I've just like him willing to just lie to the

970
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,079
High King. I think something that they really did not

971
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,800
do a good job at showing is just from first season.

972
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,519
It just seems like all the Elves are just like

973
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:38,000
like team Elf, like that is just that is just

974
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:40,079
the way it is. So for us to be now

975
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,239
at the start of season two, where he's like just

976
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,199
just lying to the High King through a letter and

977
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,159
just we'll just work on our own. Yeah, Like like

978
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,920
that just seems like such a jump and a major,

979
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,320
major stretch, whereas it's like it's really not that. I

980
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:57,639
feel like it's not that hard to believe of like

981
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,360
elves just getting so fixated on their actual craft, especially

982
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,679
someone like kilbrimboor who like is a like a last

983
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,480
descendant of feyan Ore that would just like he literally,

984
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,199
like you know, more or less to quote a great

985
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,039
Avatar character, betrayed his own race because of his his

986
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:17,840
great craftsmanship and just his obsession with making beautiful things.

987
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,119
So I think I think what happened is is is

988
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,320
fine character wise, but it's just the way that they

989
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,400
told it. It's just guys, like come on, like like

990
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,800
people are gonna be very just confused, and and sceneholes

991
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:34,800
in the script here, which I mean is evident already,

992
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,039
you know, forty five minutes in.

993
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: Seeing that one didn't bug me because like you've never

994
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,840
watched it. But in the Hobbit, they like establish all

995
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,639
the elves or not, like there's lots of the section

996
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,400
of elves and they don't all get along and all

997
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,400
other issues and everything like that. So I was completely

998
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,119
fine and mean, like uh because he even says he's like,

999
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:50,199
I'm not in his province or he says something like

1000
00:45:50,199 --> 00:45:53,599
like his juridiction or something like that, says like that guy, yeah,

1001
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:57,280
which which is because like they did they ever explain?

1002
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,360
This is something I might have missed. Did they explain

1003
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,480
what happened to the letters that they sent from Rivendell?

1004
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:03,639
What I missed that?

1005
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,159
Speaker 3: It's not Rivendell, right, it's Lyndon.

1006
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: Okayn, Where where those letters go? They?

1007
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got fucked up. They show their bodies.

1008
00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 5: The show who killed them, but they show their dead

1009
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:14,760
bodies and they showed them.

1010
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:19,119
Speaker 3: Letter was the Orcs that were following Holobrand, right because

1011
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:22,360
Adar tells them to tail them. So that's kind of

1012
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,199
what I assumed.

1013
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,599
Speaker 1: Okay, I no, I must have looked away. Some guys

1014
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,559
are completely because I was like, where are these letters? Like,

1015
00:46:27,639 --> 00:46:29,679
because he's writing a letter of the High King? And

1016
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,519
I did like that at first, right when he's like,

1017
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:34,400
all right, letter of the High King, like Soren's face

1018
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:39,239
is like you what because and then it was like

1019
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,599
oh yeah, yeah, I'm gonna lie and say we're not

1020
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:43,400
doing anything. It's like, oh okay, he like sat back,

1021
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,880
but it was yeah, it like like I liked it.

1022
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,559
Literally looked like Saron was like I might have to

1023
00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:50,559
kill this dude right now. Like he literally had this

1024
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:52,559
eyes like because it's good if he sends this letter

1025
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,239
I'm fucked, which is like still the same thing to

1026
00:46:55,559 --> 00:46:57,599
like if you can change your form, I get it,

1027
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:00,159
because of course want Vickers to carry on, but it's

1028
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:03,199
still funny, like he just looks like the long blonde area.

1029
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,079
Change it up like a little bit the same thing.

1030
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:07,760
This is when he should have been a woman. And

1031
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,639
this because like they will be looking for a woman

1032
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:10,440
right now, you know.

1033
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,519
Speaker 3: And like the lad Eel and team is on their

1034
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:14,440
route right like I'm yeah.

1035
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,039
Speaker 4: That later was talking elder On, trying to convince them

1036
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:23,760
to like come with me to to go apprehend sour On.

1037
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,119
But there was a there's a quick line there that

1038
00:47:27,199 --> 00:47:29,239
she dropped like, you know, none of their letters that

1039
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,000
we sent to calibrinbore of been answer.

1040
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 5: It's like not like letters, what do you mean letters?

1041
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: You haven't sent a lot.

1042
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 4: You sent one that was your only hope with sending one.

1043
00:47:39,519 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: Don't get me started about her and the High King

1044
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:45,840
and Calibrino their whole fucking Like in episode two, I'm

1045
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,760
so pissed at those two characters they're talking about, like, man,

1046
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,519
it'd be it really suck if Sarren got back there.

1047
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,079
But there's like they have no emergency to send any

1048
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:00,079
like they sent some letters, but like I hope an

1049
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,440
EPISOD four or five, there's a pressing we haven't heard anything,

1050
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,920
we need to go. And it's weird because I got.

1051
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: A pull spinning wheels where it's like, okay, glad, you're

1052
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:10,599
wants to go, and then she she's so she's gonna go.

1053
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:12,280
But then there's like this drama where it's like, oh,

1054
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,800
actually Elron's been put in control of this group that's

1055
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,159
gonna go to Aaron Gone, and that's like I feel

1056
00:48:19,199 --> 00:48:21,159
like that's been for like weeks. They've just been sitting

1057
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:24,000
around like planning this trip. But as you mentioned, like

1058
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,639
this is such an urgent matter, you should go immediately. Yeah,

1059
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:30,239
and enough of this drama of like who's gonna run

1060
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,760
the lead the group that goes there. To me, that

1061
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,599
stuff's really disappointing because that is what those are like

1062
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:37,719
my two favorite characters from what I remember from the

1063
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,320
first season. So I'm just not liking them, just sitting

1064
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,320
around and then like at one point, freaking el Ron,

1065
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,760
like he flees with the rings and then I get

1066
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,559
them and pull them back, and it's like, I don't

1067
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:47,960
like anything that we've been doing.

1068
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: With he literally the high King says to arrest this man.

1069
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,599
He jumps off a waterfall. They when they get him.

1070
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,039
Cut to thirty minutes later when they're all singing together.

1071
00:48:58,199 --> 00:49:00,360
Elron's there singing with them all there's no.

1072
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 2: Cons' in control of this other group, like it's zero

1073
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:05,280
more than anyone.

1074
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: Zero CONSC. And this one it was the beginning of

1075
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,840
season episode two. They're talking about kel Rimborne and hiking

1076
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,320
goes he's completely fine, nothing to worry about, and they

1077
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,119
pause for ten seconds. They just show some like the

1078
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:17,679
scene or everything, and glad Your walks up and she's like,

1079
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,599
I believe cal Brimbourne is in danger, and they just

1080
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:23,440
go and it's just like she they like he said

1081
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:24,840
this to her and she's go like yeah, yeah, And

1082
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,920
then for ten there it's like they meant to put

1083
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,519
the scene like later on in the episode, but literally,

1084
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:32,360
they just have the same conversation over again, and it's

1085
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,159
the same. Well, I don't know, like that's been my

1086
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,159
biggest issue with I'm glad that you told me the

1087
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,119
rings aren't with Saron, but I just feel like they are.

1088
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,280
This whole thing. They just don't take it seriously at all.

1089
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,000
All season one, they tell Glad, you're that she's crazy,

1090
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:51,440
Sara's dead, you're just revenged, you know, reeking, you just

1091
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,440
want to get vengeance for your brother, right, and now

1092
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:56,119
he's alive. One the stupid High King is like, well,

1093
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,719
you're really fucked up. I let him get away. No,

1094
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,239
no one's ever said anything right about her being right

1095
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,320
or anything like that now, just about how she fucked up.

1096
00:50:03,559 --> 00:50:05,239
And I wish there could be some sort of good

1097
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,320
drama there, but I just feel like she's like the

1098
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,000
teacher's pet right now at the High King. And this

1099
00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:13,800
whole thing sucks because I just feel like there's no

1100
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,800
urgency at all with any of these people, and that's

1101
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,320
it sucks to me. Just feel like they're just being

1102
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,280
dumbed down and I I just don't understand what they're

1103
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:24,559
doing here with everything to do with Sarn and their

1104
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,679
plan and Calibrin Bourne just and same thing with the rings,

1105
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:30,440
even if they're good rings. The fact that she would

1106
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,360
put one of these rings on knowing there could be

1107
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,400
a her best friend has said these rings could be

1108
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,880
really bad and fuck us all up. And she first episode,

1109
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,119
the ring just falls her feet.

1110
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,119
Speaker 5: I'll put it on diamond though, She's like, oh.

1111
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: Man, but yeah, I have no husbands.

1112
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,679
Speaker 3: You see those leaves after man like it was, I

1113
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:52,119
feel like I have no issue with them. Basically, the

1114
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:53,880
elves and the rings, like I have no issues with that.

1115
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,800
I really love the sequence actually when Elron was speaking

1116
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,480
with Kirdan and like him just trying to lip el

1117
00:51:00,559 --> 00:51:02,800
Ron's kind of perspective on the rings, and like he's

1118
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,280
just so fixated on being scared of the of the

1119
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,159
evil potential of these rings, but he's so blind to

1120
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:12,000
the possibility of what they could do for good. And

1121
00:51:12,079 --> 00:51:14,599
I I just love that sequence. I'm really loving this

1122
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,360
just like Buddhist ker Dan type character that we're kidding

1123
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,960
that he's just so like Tranquil and like, I I

1124
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,679
feel like the way that he's he's carrying himself like

1125
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,719
the actor as the character. He just feels so much

1126
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,159
like just I don't know if wiser is like a

1127
00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:33,159
better term than like all the other l's, but he

1128
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,920
just feels like and the oldest though, like he feels

1129
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:43,000
elder I think in in compared to the other elp. Yeah,

1130
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,800
I'm I'm loving that. Just the casting for kier Dan

1131
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,559
because that that was one I was really excited to

1132
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:50,119
see for the season. Kar Dan the ship right, Uh

1133
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,360
so that that's been really pretty sweet to have and

1134
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,760
fun fact, the ring that he has is actually the

1135
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:01,000
one that Gandel flares in the future, so that's in

1136
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:01,719
a drinking bet.

1137
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 1: Really he lost in a drinking bet. Oh of course

1138
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,760
not Okay, I'm like, jesus see, I'm glad I like

1139
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,119
it him. I hated the comparison when I don't know

1140
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,159
how evil these rings could be, how bad they are,

1141
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:15,559
and he's like, well, what if a drunk man writes

1142
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:17,559
a poet, is it's still not a good poem. And

1143
00:52:17,599 --> 00:52:20,719
it's just like that's not like they're not comparable, dude,

1144
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,000
Like the rings are a terrorist with weapon of mass

1145
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,480
destruction as you're toting original like bor mirror right, and

1146
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:30,960
like this guy is saying, like, well, if a drunk

1147
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,280
I wrote a poem, it was good do we take

1148
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,960
his credit away. It's like they're not it's not the

1149
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,039
same situations. I get what they're trying to do, but again,

1150
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:41,039
I just think, like the right, I just don't think

1151
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:44,039
the level the Again, these these elves just feel like

1152
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,159
this is such a nonchalant issue to them. The comparison

1153
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,760
is not apt and what like this is lives on

1154
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,519
the line, not poetry, you know.

1155
00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 3: Getting back to what you guys were talking about though,

1156
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,440
with just the urgency of the elves, and that's definitely

1157
00:52:57,519 --> 00:53:01,400
something I feel like, Uh, I don't know. There's some

1158
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,639
stuff with the Linden Elves that I do like, but

1159
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:05,920
I feel like most of it has been kind of messy,

1160
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:08,679
and they I just don't think they're doing a good

1161
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,119
job at like what basically you guys were already highlighting

1162
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,239
of just the sense of urgency of what this threat

1163
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,719
could be. I think there is a version with the

1164
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,920
same amount of screen time that we've had for our

1165
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:24,239
l's in Linden, to just make it more compelling, Like

1166
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,400
maybe there's more pushback on like why this would be

1167
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,719
impossible that Halibrand would even be in a region at

1168
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,480
this point in time, right, because the last time we

1169
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:35,559
saw him. That's like way, way way further away. If

1170
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,000
if you pull up the map of kind of where

1171
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:41,000
Aragaon is in comparison, and something that really bugged me

1172
00:53:41,039 --> 00:53:45,239
to like where we are in season two, sorry, where

1173
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,280
we were at the end of season one where I think,

1174
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:52,039
like the last shot is Halbrian like in Mordor, right,

1175
00:53:52,119 --> 00:53:54,760
he's like reginned. How the fuck does he just like

1176
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,320
fast travel all the way from Mordor where Adar has

1177
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,079
him to just like way over to Aragyon like instantly

1178
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:04,400
on his black horse. Like it just seems like he

1179
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,159
took the took the eagles across the way to get

1180
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:09,239
over there, like instantly.

1181
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,079
Speaker 2: I think that's what you're saying earlier, Just like the

1182
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:15,719
amount of time that passes since these people, Yeah, none

1183
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,519
of the people in this world like have a life

1184
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:20,199
outside of like the direct plot of the story, so

1185
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,119
none to tell like what's happening in between how much

1186
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:25,119
time has passed. Because the thing that bothered me is,

1187
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,519
for like I don't know, an episode and half, almost

1188
00:54:27,519 --> 00:54:30,519
two episodes were spinning wheels of this whole gladrl Aleron.

1189
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:32,480
They're gonna go to a rangeon thing and then just

1190
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:36,199
like at the end of episode two, calibrin Boor is like, hey,

1191
00:54:36,199 --> 00:54:40,000
can you invite Duran or one of the dwarves to Rangeon?

1192
00:54:40,039 --> 00:54:41,360
And then they get there in like five minutes, And

1193
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,719
maybe because the Doom is really close to reggaeing compared

1194
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,760
to Linden, I don't know, but to me it was

1195
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,639
like we're still plotting, just walking over to Orangon in

1196
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:52,920
that time. The dwarves have been invited, which would take

1197
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:55,159
you know, a messenger to go there, and then they

1198
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:57,199
come there and then they get all the way back

1199
00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:00,800
because of due before they've even left Lin. So I

1200
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,280
don't know. I went on a Middle Earth map and

1201
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:03,960
I tried to find these spots and I could not

1202
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:07,079
find them anywhere. So I don't know. Maybe it is accurate,

1203
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:09,840
but when you're bringing up there of sore On, I mean,

1204
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,719
he's magic, so he can do whatever he wants, I guess.

1205
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,039
But yeah, it's a lot of the just time that

1206
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:17,800
takes for things in this show is U is really

1207
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,039
throwing things off. And I feel like the movie trilogy

1208
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:22,719
is so consistent in terms of how long things take

1209
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,480
and like their relative of talent. It takes like this

1210
00:55:25,519 --> 00:55:27,920
group of travelers to get from here to here versus

1211
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,639
that group of travelers to get from there to there.

1212
00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,559
So it's, uh, just it all just feels a bit

1213
00:55:32,639 --> 00:55:34,320
messy because of that. And maybe it just comes down

1214
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,679
to the edit when they just filmed these things and

1215
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:38,760
then there's in the idea room, like we got to

1216
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,440
make a compelling show that each episode has like progress

1217
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,320
for each of these storylines. So I guess it just

1218
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,719
becomes a bit of a mess at that point.

1219
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 1: It was funny that season one, like the big ending

1220
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,800
shot was like Sarry and going back to Mordor and

1221
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,239
then like he spends like a couple of coffee there

1222
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,000
and he's gone again. You know, like they I feel

1223
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:58,000
like they did that just to end season one, like well.

1224
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: Oh literally, yeah, yeah, it makes no sense.

1225
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,119
Speaker 1: We gotta show people he's going back and you know

1226
00:56:02,159 --> 00:56:04,119
where they makes the ring, He's going back there. And

1227
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:06,719
then he just like said hi to eight R eight R.

1228
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,880
How are we gonna say his name? Ad R and

1229
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,840
Addar told some weird fucking story about like pretty much

1230
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,519
having sex with sar On. I know he didn't, but

1231
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,599
just like he found me in the moonlight and gave

1232
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,280
me wine, the reddest wine ever seen. He'd let me drink.

1233
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,519
I was like, what the fuck are we doing here?

1234
00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:25,119
He just literally felt like he described like falling loves on.

1235
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:27,440
I get what they're going for. Like he was like,

1236
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,039
you know he he you know, used his macheesemo, his

1237
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,639
chrisma to get him in there and like win him

1238
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:36,079
over and stuff. And it's just the way Heat was

1239
00:56:36,119 --> 00:56:39,119
telling the story. It just felt like so romantic. I

1240
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:41,519
was getting lots of good laughs out of it and

1241
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,000
everything going on there. I'm Taylor, Can you tell you

1242
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,159
what was the meme that you saw? Because I don't

1243
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:47,320
think we saw the same meme, but.

1244
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 3: It was about the baby orc.

1245
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,039
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we did see the same meme. Yeah, Okay,

1246
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:55,239
let's take an ad break and we'll be right back.

1247
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,760
So we'll take our second break and we're back. So

1248
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,920
I think this happens in EPISOD. So yeah, episode three

1249
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,119
were at our decides Kate, we're going back to war? Okay, cool?

1250
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:06,920
You know that was the whole thing, right with sar On.

1251
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,679
He said, let's go to war. They say no, they'd

1252
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,519
kill him, and everything like that. They just just lots

1253
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,440
of deeping going on in him and he's just a

1254
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,639
mess at the beginning, right, so he's dead. And then

1255
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:19,800
we've talked about the suff Sorr and then so adds

1256
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,039
like we're going back to war. And then he had

1257
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,199
this fucking org behind and we're like, but sir, you

1258
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:28,679
said we could stay home for a little bit, Well

1259
00:57:29,079 --> 00:57:30,559
we gotta go back to Wor so we can defend

1260
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:33,280
our home and all right, sir. And then he turns

1261
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,519
around and there's a woman Orc and then and she.

1262
00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: Told her he's calling him dad and son.

1263
00:57:38,679 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: Yes.

1264
00:57:39,079 --> 00:57:40,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very on the nose with it.

1265
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: And like he turns around. I'm like that betarter not

1266
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:45,000
be what I think it is. And lo and behold

1267
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:47,800
the org. Late there's a lady Orc there holding a

1268
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,320
baby Orc. And then the man were like gets around

1269
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,840
and looks at It's just like, this is exactly for

1270
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,159
me what they fucking did in Boba. Fet were like,

1271
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:58,039
you know, the sad people, they're not that bad. You know,

1272
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,800
if you know sy language, they're not avages. It's like,

1273
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,119
I don't need to care about the sand people, and

1274
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:06,159
I don't need the Orcs to be like, but DoD

1275
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:08,760
you said we could stay home, like I do not

1276
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:12,360
like to me, the Orcs are just vicious killing and

1277
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:13,960
if they want to go to war war fucking going

1278
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,719
back to it. But it's like, but we just got here.

1279
00:58:17,039 --> 00:58:20,360
I just this, this for me is taking two steps farward.

1280
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:23,280
That's the stuff I started classify as bad or stuff

1281
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,519
that like hurts my precipitation of how I viewed certain

1282
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:28,360
things and not liking what's going on the Orcs and

1283
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,880
Nata right now for me. So and yeah, I saw

1284
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,239
the many memes of the Orc baby, so it's already started,

1285
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,519
so not good for the show.

1286
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 3: I guess I.

1287
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: Didn't even ever think about it prior because I when

1288
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,840
I think of how an Orc is born, I think

1289
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,000
of that scene in Eisen Garden when they're just coming

1290
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,559
out of the mud bath and ripping the member I

1291
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:46,400
thought too.

1292
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 3: Right created?

1293
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 4: But even ors, even though Orcs I thought were created too,

1294
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,400
because they were once elves, right, isn't that what son

1295
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:54,880
or Sara I thought about.

1296
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,639
Speaker 3: No, I don't think that's completely confirmed though.

1297
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: Is that just the yurka that elves that were Remember.

1298
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: I'm not debating the Lord. I'm just saying this is

1299
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,320
my perception. So I feel like I'm learning a lot

1300
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,960
here of like fork anatomy. But I guess we have

1301
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,400
what's to stop them from banging and they still got

1302
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,400
the organ lots, they can have.

1303
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 4: Babies, right, I swear in Fellowship when he's talking, I

1304
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,320
was talking about like he's like, remember how the orc

1305
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,280
first came to being they were elves once and.

1306
00:59:22,239 --> 00:59:24,719
Speaker 3: That's and that that's been like in contention though that

1307
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,760
like that was actually never said by Tolkien, like that

1308
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,039
could have been a Peter Jackson decision, right, Like like

1309
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:32,239
that was never actually confirmed one way or the other.

1310
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,320
So I I I have no idea where that actually

1311
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:36,719
line is crossed.

1312
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: For that doesn't deconfirm the that they can have. Like

1313
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,320
once you've taken two elves, turn them into orcs, then

1314
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:45,920
they can.

1315
00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:50,119
Speaker 1: Reproduced, reproducing. I just don't want them to they should

1316
00:59:50,159 --> 00:59:53,159
they like, I don't want them to be like reproduced

1317
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:56,840
Travis them being having like this soft side of like

1318
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,960
but we're home with our family, Like I don't need

1319
00:59:59,079 --> 01:00:00,880
orcs to have the like orcs me would be the

1320
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,000
ones that are like eating their children. They were like

1321
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,880
it's just like it's like I don't care if they

1322
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,599
fuck are not ur L's or not, Like the fact

1323
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:09,199
that they've made them this way and the show is

1324
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:11,519
like what are we doing here? And also just to

1325
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,840
I think carring them back me out in this. In

1326
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,880
the chat, someone says Lord Wings takes place two to

1327
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,280
three weeks. That's not true in even the movies. And

1328
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,119
the movies they say it's almost been like a year

1329
01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:20,639
or something.

1330
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 5: Hasn't in the books, it's like years and years.

1331
01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:24,519
Speaker 1: Well, it's not years and.

1332
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 3: Years in the book, it's like a year.

1333
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:29,519
Speaker 1: It's like a year and six months. I think, yeah, yeah,

1334
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:31,639
so it's not a couple throw didn't get the Mordar

1335
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:33,119
in a couple of weeks. It took it took a

1336
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:36,519
little bit longer. But I see what you're saying. But yeah,

1337
01:00:37,559 --> 01:00:38,920
oh what was my point?

1338
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,039
Speaker 5: I was just gonna make the case with the orc babies. Yeah,

1339
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:44,199
so I I like.

1340
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 4: The idea of them just creating the orcs because at

1341
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:48,840
this point I feel like, okay, when you look at

1342
01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:50,800
when we get to Lord of the Rings and you

1343
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,559
see how many fucking orcs there are. At this point,

1344
01:00:53,639 --> 01:00:56,239
was Sun just having like, let's do huge orgies. We

1345
01:00:56,239 --> 01:00:58,320
need to get our numbers up, like just let us.

1346
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: Yea tongues like me like, no, you motherfucker, you gotta

1347
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:08,119
remember Tay, this is technically not a prequel to those movies.

1348
01:01:08,119 --> 01:01:12,559
Speaker 3: Though yeah it's.

1349
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:15,079
Speaker 1: Legally, yeah, legally it is not. You're not supposed to

1350
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:17,760
watch this as a lead into the movies. It is

1351
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:23,000
its own thing. It's more a watching the It technically

1352
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:26,199
would be a prequel to the books, not to the movies.

1353
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm yeah, I know you're right, but when

1354
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,519
I watch, but.

1355
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,119
Speaker 1: I'm just saying when you're saying, like, oh, well, in

1356
01:01:36,639 --> 01:01:38,920
Fellowship of the Ring, there's so many Orcs they like

1357
01:01:39,119 --> 01:01:40,760
they have to be creative. But that's why it's like, well,

1358
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,679
you technically haven't seen what happens here. Maybe in this

1359
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,119
can it is like, yeah, they're just fucking all the time,

1360
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:46,199
you know, And.

1361
01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 4: They are fucking all the time apparently or anything like that. Uh,

1362
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:54,400
why I wanted to add one more note on Sarn

1363
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,159
before we talk about the Orc fuck. So there's a

1364
01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:04,000
moment in here when we see obviously.

1365
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:05,679
Speaker 5: The intro of the episode one with.

1366
01:02:05,679 --> 01:02:09,559
Speaker 4: Sourn, like he's just more goth is dead and he's

1367
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:11,960
just trying to talk to the crowds, right and like

1368
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:15,079
make his claim, make his case, and Arda is not

1369
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:17,599
having it. The Orcs aren't really having it. The Orcs

1370
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:21,480
are sounding like their cooba. I got Coba vibes.

1371
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: Like a couple of Orcs did sound like mean mean

1372
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,400
their weapon, and I was like, oh my god, Coba's here,

1373
01:02:28,519 --> 01:02:33,679
Orc Coba now Surn no war boom.

1374
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:36,239
Speaker 4: So you're telling me, now, this is the fallout of

1375
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,800
more Goth's passing, and you have Sourn coming into play

1376
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,039
here making his claim, and then he gets executed.

1377
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,199
Speaker 5: They take him out. But then you have in season

1378
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:45,000
one this.

1379
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,639
Speaker 4: Whole setup here where glad You was talking about how

1380
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:50,639
oh the Orcs are multiplying, the Orcs are rising up,

1381
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:53,079
and Souron was the one mobilizing them and leading them

1382
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:53,679
and then.

1383
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:55,639
Speaker 1: They cheering them on, go fuck go fuck.

1384
01:02:55,679 --> 01:02:56,599
Speaker 5: Well yeah, but.

1385
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:59,199
Speaker 4: This scene technically never happens then because he's in his

1386
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,639
little majesty robes and get sucking skullf fucked by the

1387
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:03,559
more Goth crown.

1388
01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: You could take this armor off, couldn't he? And then

1389
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:07,760
look like the guy.

1390
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,519
Speaker 5: Was taking this arm. No, he's wearing this twenty fourth.

1391
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: It's heavy, it's heavy. You're sweating describing that as a

1392
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,800
skull fucker like you can't wear the whole time, like

1393
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,440
you want to take a ship in that thing. There's

1394
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,559
no way you sits.

1395
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 3: He's not even mortal, so he doesn't have to. Okay,

1396
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:26,920
well it's a good question.

1397
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:31,679
Speaker 2: One more baby baby counterpoint, going back to my my

1398
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,800
good old eis and guard thing of babies coming out

1399
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:36,760
of like a little or the Orcs come out of.

1400
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 3: The mud baths.

1401
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: Could they not have taken an Elvin baby and thrown

1402
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,880
it in a mud bath and regenerated that way? We

1403
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:46,599
don't know that that that or holding the baby gave

1404
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:47,639
birth to that baby? Right?

1405
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:50,039
Speaker 1: But then why are they taking care? Why they take

1406
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:50,400
care of it?

1407
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,079
Speaker 2: Or else it dies? You need the numbers to multiply,

1408
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:59,239
or else you can't take out a Erringian, right, Linden

1409
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:00,000
and stuff?

1410
01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:04,199
Speaker 1: So you like the baby, ork, then no comments? Yeah

1411
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,639
do you like the like? You got points for it?

1412
01:04:06,639 --> 01:04:07,440
But are you for the baby?

1413
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:10,639
Speaker 2: I didn't bother me. I don't love it.

1414
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 3: I'm pretty I'm pretty damn alright with it.

1415
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: I I don't know.

1416
01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 3: I like just seeing the Orcs more than just cannon

1417
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,960
fodder for our main heroes to just chop up. I'm

1418
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,320
not saying I want like a full episode or season

1419
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,840
of just following the lives the you know, the Desperate

1420
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,239
Housewives of the Orcs or whatever like that version of

1421
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:33,760
the story. I don't need that, but I still do

1422
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,840
like kind of seeing this post mor Goth situation and

1423
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:41,320
the Orcs kind of having a beak like a representative

1424
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:45,119
that's like more for them. That's I don't know, it's

1425
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:47,920
it's just intriguing to me just seeing them as a

1426
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:51,320
faction on their own, not just minions to a big

1427
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,320
bad So that's because that's pretty much what they've been

1428
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,920
the whole their whole existence has just been like cannon fodder.

1429
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,440
And uh yeah, I don't know. I I kind of

1430
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,320
like to see it because it was something new, but

1431
01:05:03,679 --> 01:05:04,039
I don't know.

1432
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: I himself, mankind will never see you as more than

1433
01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:08,719
beasts to be slaughtered.

1434
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like plenty of Orcs will die, but that's

1435
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:15,719
a sacrifice. I'm willing to, like.

1436
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna kill him, We're gonna kill him. But

1437
01:05:19,159 --> 01:05:21,800
I didn't have like, again, like I I did have

1438
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,280
a problem with it. I I still think it is

1439
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,000
like a it's just me, not the Orc. I like, right,

1440
01:05:27,039 --> 01:05:28,960
because I feel like it's it's a beauty thing. It's

1441
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:30,800
I don't like them being like, oh well, that's our

1442
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,800
leader and he's against us. Now we should kill it,

1443
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,519
like I For me, it's this is it's like the

1444
01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:37,880
sampile thing. I don't need this from the Orcs, especially

1445
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:40,159
in the show when we already have so many characters.

1446
01:05:40,159 --> 01:05:43,039
I don't need Orc family subplot popping off as well.

1447
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:45,079
I'm not saying they're gonna be come supporting characters.

1448
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't think that's no.

1449
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: But I just don't even need a minute of it.

1450
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,760
I don't even need that all give any I don't

1451
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,320
even like kind of hoping at our kicks the bucket

1452
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:54,840
this season. I'm done with I was done with the

1453
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,840
story I think last year, and I'm kind of ready

1454
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,239
for starting to kick his ass. And then he embarress

1455
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:02,599
him and then all the Orcs are like, we follow him,

1456
01:06:02,679 --> 01:06:06,880
like that's what I want, like we Cabron, yeah, and

1457
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:10,360
I was, no, I give you what, but yeah.

1458
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 2: Because he was, I'm with you. I think bite the

1459
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:19,159
dust this this season. Question in that in that prequel

1460
01:06:19,239 --> 01:06:22,519
shot thing when sour On does like his big ice

1461
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,840
explosion and seeps through, is that the same ice temple

1462
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,719
thing from season one where Galadrrell and her crew were

1463
01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:30,480
going and looking up remains and things.

1464
01:06:31,079 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering that what they found there, they

1465
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:38,360
found his simple And it was odd though, because that's

1466
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,559
in like early episodes, right, first episode one. But that's

1467
01:06:41,559 --> 01:06:44,400
why I was not sure about that, because she's like,

1468
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,880
all these orcs, they're experimenting with some dark magic. Like

1469
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,800
she made it sound like the Orcs fucked up here

1470
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,400
and not someone fucked him up with dark magic.

1471
01:06:52,159 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 2: Or some I think given the situation, I don't know

1472
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:56,360
she would know necessarily.

1473
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: That's just what she said. I know, I guess that's

1474
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:02,239
just what she said, because they are experimenting with dark magic.

1475
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:03,840
I was like, Okay, so that's why I wasn't sure

1476
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,400
if it was actually the same place, because it looked icy.

1477
01:07:06,679 --> 01:07:07,559
Andy she finds a.

1478
01:07:07,519 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 2: Symbol in a case where they hadn't thought about that

1479
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,880
when they did that scene in season Yeah, connected it

1480
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,119
later too, Yeah.

1481
01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:19,519
Speaker 1: And like I wonder why, Like I get it, like

1482
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:21,400
his career, he made the point like he regenerates, But

1483
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,480
I almost just wonder, like why they didn't have vicars

1484
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:25,280
in that scene, you know, if he's just gonna look

1485
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:25,679
the way he.

1486
01:07:25,639 --> 01:07:27,559
Speaker 3: Does later on, I think, just to emphasize that he

1487
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:30,880
can take many different forms, like throughout his existence. It's

1488
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,079
kind of funny that, like we have Halbrand and then

1489
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:35,840
also Charlie's Vickers with like long hair, so it's like,

1490
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:38,119
why not just get another actor in that point other

1491
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:40,440
than just trying to use Charlie Vickers as much as

1492
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,960
you can, which I guess.

1493
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,639
Speaker 1: I answered my question because I guess you also don't

1494
01:07:43,639 --> 01:07:45,320
want add Our and know he is sar On right,

1495
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,599
so he kidnaps him at camp and he sees.

1496
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 3: This guy, So that'd be terrible if they just went

1497
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,719
with that of like we'll just make it so the

1498
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,039
actors don't actually know. It's like like Galadriel like interact

1499
01:07:55,079 --> 01:07:55,960
with him. It's like, nice to.

1500
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: Meet you, like that happens.

1501
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:00,519
Speaker 3: Oh God, that awful.

1502
01:08:01,679 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: You're seem familiar not me. I'm just like when I

1503
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,039
can't remember the dwarf what his name is, he's like

1504
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:12,400
our main dwarf. If he has a problem with.

1505
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,159
Speaker 3: His Duran, yeah Duran and his father Duran.

1506
01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 2: How shady is confused because their names.

1507
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,520
Speaker 1: Is yeah, how shady is it? When he asked her,

1508
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,119
I'm like, what's your name? He's like, I'm a friend,

1509
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:26,199
Like he doesn't he refuses to give him any name

1510
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:28,359
until e venture She's like, yeah, I'm an or whatever,

1511
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,520
but like like three times, like I'm just helping you out,

1512
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:32,720
I'm a friend.

1513
01:08:33,079 --> 01:08:37,279
Speaker 4: No worries about really closing his eyes and like he

1514
01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:38,279
puts it into the fire.

1515
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Taylor does circle back. So yeah, you are correct.

1516
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:47,560
It is uh so, so what the inconsistency of I'll

1517
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,640
just read this. The origin of Orcs were explained two

1518
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:54,479
different ways or inconsistently by Tolkien. The origin the Orcs

1519
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,199
were either East Elves enslave, tortured and bred by more

1520
01:08:58,199 --> 01:09:05,720
Goth Melchor also known or Avar melcoor that's Melcor. Malcre

1521
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,880
is a good name, right, Yeah, that's like his his

1522
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:09,600
original name.

1523
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: No Wonder changed his name Malcore.

1524
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:16,600
Speaker 3: So it's basically both versions that he explained was originally

1525
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,840
a race of Elf that was just like completely corrupted

1526
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,640
by the evils of more Goth. Then I imagine it's

1527
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,680
like at that point, it's almost like an evolutionary type thing,

1528
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,399
you know, to pull in Elder scrolls. It's kind of

1529
01:09:27,399 --> 01:09:29,600
like how the snow elves were and it's like like

1530
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,720
turned into the Falmer. I think it's something along those lines,

1531
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,600
and I imagine the farmer can make baby follmers, So

1532
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,279
it's right. Was that you.

1533
01:09:39,239 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 5: Said breed there and bread by more goth like sexualizing

1534
01:09:45,079 --> 01:09:46,119
like sex and.

1535
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:51,159
Speaker 1: Not the not the magic magic, so they could breed

1536
01:09:51,199 --> 01:09:53,039
them other ways too. You're just gonna say it didn't

1537
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:56,840
have to be.

1538
01:09:55,680 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 2: Answer the mud baths, the.

1539
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:02,359
Speaker 1: And sorry on and other people are sitting around campfire,

1540
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:05,239
so we read them and moreof is just like sex.

1541
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:08,760
And it was like, fuck, you're weird man. We have

1542
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,000
a magic book. Let's use the multiplier spell. Oh yes,

1543
01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:15,720
of course, multiplier spell. Let's use that one. Maybe we'll

1544
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:16,720
do that another time.

1545
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,159
Speaker 2: But we're back on the menu.

1546
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's back on the many Boys. Okay, we've talked

1547
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:25,600
about anything anything else. We've talked about Sir on ad

1548
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:27,960
Our and we've talked a little bit about l Ron

1549
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:32,079
and the too. Yeah, is there anything about those collection

1550
01:10:32,119 --> 01:10:33,880
of characters we touch them before we move apart.

1551
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,079
Speaker 2: I think on add Our just kind of like the

1552
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:38,319
I think it's in like near the end of episode

1553
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:41,479
three there just we got damn Rod, the hill troll

1554
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,600
who comes up to camp. He's got he's got one

1555
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:46,039
of the orcheads and he wants to suck up with

1556
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:47,760
sore on it. So there's not really much there. It's

1557
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,760
more of a cliffhanger leading into something. But I'm I'm

1558
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:53,600
excited for that. I think that this faction he did

1559
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,680
look good troll and uh, just to see him up

1560
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:58,239
some people, because I don't know, I like seeing the

1561
01:10:58,239 --> 01:11:01,600
different trolls in this in we've seen like a few

1562
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,199
different types and this one seems a lot more. Uh,

1563
01:11:04,279 --> 01:11:05,760
I don't know, we've seen other I guess like kind

1564
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,039
of evolved ones too that can actually have conversations and stuff.

1565
01:11:09,119 --> 01:11:10,680
So I don't know, I just I just like seeing

1566
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:11,359
that kind of stuff.

1567
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 4: So 're not thinking I imagine that he was the

1568
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,119
big guy. At the end of episode three, I kind

1569
01:11:18,119 --> 01:11:20,359
of Madison was like, oh Treanz Trants. I was like,

1570
01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:25,359
oh yeah, probably Trant's right, yeah, and yeah, okay, it's just.

1571
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:28,119
Speaker 1: This troll picked him up. Episode four opens out the

1572
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:30,000
murder just destroyed on the ground.

1573
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because in one of the trailers they

1574
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,199
have I can't even remember his name now, our what

1575
01:11:34,399 --> 01:11:37,079
elf character like him like popping off on a troll

1576
01:11:37,159 --> 01:11:39,840
and it looked like similar lighting what that sequence was.

1577
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:44,000
So that's where I was like, Ron Deer, I I'm

1578
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:46,600
with you, Taylor. I kind of thought the troll was there,

1579
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:48,359
but it also didn't make sense why he would have

1580
01:11:48,399 --> 01:11:50,680
been like why why is why is?

1581
01:11:52,199 --> 01:11:52,399
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1582
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,279
Speaker 3: At are right? Yeah, exactly like his own servants. He's like, yeah,

1583
01:11:55,359 --> 01:11:57,560
go fuck them up. I don't. I don't like those guys.

1584
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 2: Everyone has a couple of fast travel scrolls that they

1585
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,680
can use the color around.

1586
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,359
Speaker 3: Fucking Wong's slippering or whatever the o they're called.

1587
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything on the High King there, Kirkland.

1588
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 3: You I'm not a fan of Gilgallad, Like, I don't

1589
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,800
know too much about him other than him just being

1590
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,119
the high King of the noldor. I always just thought,

1591
01:12:19,159 --> 01:12:21,359
because of the tales that I like read around the

1592
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:25,880
character he was, I just assumed he was like very wise,

1593
01:12:26,039 --> 01:12:29,279
all annoying and just like stoic, and I just don't like.

1594
01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:32,600
I don't know if I'm assuming it's just like the

1595
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,119
material that the actor's working with, but like I'm just like,

1596
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:38,039
I just don't like this guy. I don't like him

1597
01:12:38,039 --> 01:12:41,560
as my leader, especially like, you know, to compare to

1598
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,600
one of the great shops of all time, like like

1599
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:47,000
our l Ron from Fellowship, like that is a leader

1600
01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:52,520
in my mind, just like his his charisma and his

1601
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,520
his gravitas that he has when he just like exudes

1602
01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:58,279
authority to people, Like I'm not getting that from this

1603
01:12:58,359 --> 01:13:01,640
guy at all, substitute teacher, and this is supposed to

1604
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,119
be like the high kid. This is like the last

1605
01:13:04,279 --> 01:13:06,960
high king of the Noll door, Like this is a

1606
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:10,560
big fucking deal, and I I just I see him

1607
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:13,239
and I'm like, fuck this guy, Like we don't talk

1608
01:13:13,279 --> 01:13:15,760
to Gladio that way, Like how dare you? Like, I'm

1609
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:17,720
just not liking what's going on with this character here.

1610
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,199
Speaker 1: When they talked about the rings and he was they

1611
01:13:20,199 --> 01:13:22,720
were just having get worked about how can save everything

1612
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,960
and he's like telling him to take give him the

1613
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:30,640
rings and stuff. I just it's it's it's tough because

1614
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,760
this character's not going anywhere they make it to, like.

1615
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:37,239
Speaker 3: He makes it to the last battle of men and

1616
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:38,479
dwarves and everyone.

1617
01:13:38,680 --> 01:13:41,319
Speaker 1: This character will be in the entire show. And I

1618
01:13:41,359 --> 01:13:44,479
think there was something at least with season one where

1619
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,199
I feel like the character was missing a lot because

1620
01:13:46,199 --> 01:13:48,640
a lot of the character is left. But with us

1621
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,680
staying where we are, there's been a lot of him.

1622
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,000
So again I'm just thinking it's like a miscast in

1623
01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:55,079
my opinion that maybe that's what it is or what

1624
01:13:55,119 --> 01:13:57,079
it's been written. It's just I was hoping for better stuff,

1625
01:13:57,079 --> 01:14:00,279
but anytime this character's on screen, I almost kind of

1626
01:14:00,359 --> 01:14:02,319
check out. And it's just because they just I think

1627
01:14:02,359 --> 01:14:05,560
they've just made him overly generic of like because I

1628
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,159
think even as the leader who's doing stuff like against

1629
01:14:08,279 --> 01:14:10,119
l Ron or maybe had a problem with glad Real,

1630
01:14:10,199 --> 01:14:12,479
you still should find ways to make him understand. Oh,

1631
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,399
I get why he's doing this, right, but it just

1632
01:14:15,399 --> 01:14:17,279
feels like he's a stick in the mud the whole time.

1633
01:14:17,319 --> 01:14:18,840
He's like just to be a jerk for the sake

1634
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,800
of being a jerk. And like I said, the same thing,

1635
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,840
like they don't talk about in at all about glad

1636
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,399
Real calling Sarron's back. It just, oh, it's your fault.

1637
01:14:26,399 --> 01:14:28,720
You let him get too close, and now it's because

1638
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,039
she says it's like, oh, we're only's position because of you.

1639
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:34,479
It's like you'd be worse off if it wasn't for her,

1640
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,359
you know, like at least he has some sort of

1641
01:14:36,399 --> 01:14:37,840
information on the situation.

1642
01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:41,119
Speaker 3: But it very much feels like like in some of

1643
01:14:41,119 --> 01:14:44,720
those scenes, it's like he's like the principle that's like

1644
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:48,000
chastising like a student, and it just this dynamic does

1645
01:14:48,039 --> 01:14:51,119
not make any sense to me at all. Especially I

1646
01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:53,359
don't know, I'm not supposed to bring in my own,

1647
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:56,199
like previous source material into this story. It's been made

1648
01:14:56,279 --> 01:14:59,319
clear this is something completely separate. It's not attached to

1649
01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:02,319
the events the fellowship. You know, legally we cannot speak

1650
01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:05,199
in that term. But I'm just I'm looking at these

1651
01:15:05,279 --> 01:15:09,239
characters and I'm like, man, Galatil is like by far

1652
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,920
the oldest and probably the wisest character in this entire room,

1653
01:15:14,079 --> 01:15:17,239
Like I I get it, you have yeah, and that

1654
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,279
it's not felt at all like she feels like a

1655
01:15:19,279 --> 01:15:24,680
fucking young wing sometimes. Yah, it fucking grinds my gears

1656
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:27,520
because I love the actress. I think she's fantastic of

1657
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:30,279
just every scene that she's doing, Like I feel like

1658
01:15:31,039 --> 01:15:33,439
she's given it her all, But just what they're doing

1659
01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:36,279
with her right now, it's it's it's big, big, uh.

1660
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,039
I don't want to see dropping on the ball, but

1661
01:15:39,159 --> 01:15:41,600
just it's it's it's not what I was looking forward to,

1662
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,800
uh at all. And I think it's like episode maybe

1663
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:47,720
one or two, like when it's focused on that and

1664
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:51,119
that's where throughout the episodes, like I was enjoying the

1665
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:54,119
show more like you know, as I said my overall thoughts,

1666
01:15:54,159 --> 01:15:56,239
like where we are at the end of episode three,

1667
01:15:56,279 --> 01:16:00,279
I was actually quite pumped. But just like initially, because

1668
01:16:00,279 --> 01:16:02,600
we have a lot of Linden scenes, I'm hoping that

1669
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:04,920
going forward we're kind of done with Linden, like we

1670
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,119
don't really have much to do, like like the trees healed,

1671
01:16:08,359 --> 01:16:10,000
I think we're gonna be spending most of the time

1672
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:12,880
in a reggaeon new minor places like that versus Linden.

1673
01:16:13,119 --> 01:16:16,279
So I am hope that gil Galad takes a back

1674
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:18,079
seat in that sense. But you're right, Travis, like he's

1675
01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:21,520
gonna be here. He's gonna outlast a lot of these

1676
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:25,359
characters actually in the show, which is gonna be unfortunate.

1677
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,239
Speaker 1: Reading their fucking eulogis off singing his song.

1678
01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 3: With no like like no uh no, Pizzazz he was

1679
01:16:32,039 --> 01:16:34,039
a good man, land Is Vanilla.

1680
01:16:34,079 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: He was good. I shouldn't say that, Yeah, this one is.

1681
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,960
But I's taking an ad break. I'll start talking about

1682
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,760
some other characters. Will be right back. All right, We're back.

1683
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:46,640
Tell you've been quiet where you wanna go? Do you

1684
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:50,319
want to go with Gandalf in the Hobbits? Do you

1685
01:16:50,359 --> 01:16:54,039
want to go with our dwarves? Harfoot? You know the

1686
01:16:54,079 --> 01:16:56,479
shire fo they're not even from the shire I guess whatever.

1687
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,840
I'm still gonna call the Hobbits. I don't care uh

1688
01:16:59,279 --> 01:17:02,600
off in the Hobbit they're both named wrong dwarves. Do

1689
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,399
you want to go with the guy who's so mad

1690
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,560
that he's stuck with the alpha was sucking his mom?

1691
01:17:07,039 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 3: Where you so mad?

1692
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 2: Just look at him?

1693
01:17:13,319 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 3: You're not my father? Like he's just just so much for.

1694
01:17:16,399 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 5: This poor elf.

1695
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,159
Speaker 4: I just want to slide one more quick thing kler

1696
01:17:21,239 --> 01:17:22,319
Brinbore like.

1697
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:26,279
Speaker 1: I just I look at twice you've done that.

1698
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 5: Now that's twice, reminds me.

1699
01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:31,399
Speaker 3: I'm not sorry.

1700
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's call them high Kings. The titles are easier way.

1701
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:38,039
That's how I don't screw up.

1702
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 2: With the guy who played multiple men in the X.

1703
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:45,079
Speaker 1: Three Eric Dane. No, don't don't put that on Eric Dane.

1704
01:17:45,479 --> 01:17:48,159
Eric Dane's better looking then here.

1705
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 3: Eric Dane looks part like Janny Datum than Gil Galla does.

1706
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, got the same like hairline going on?

1707
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,640
Speaker 1: Got I wish you got Eric Dane is on, you know,

1708
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,199
getting with those long locks him.

1709
01:18:00,319 --> 01:18:05,640
Speaker 6: Great, but yeah, so where do I want to go now?

1710
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:08,840
Speaker 1: Talk about the elve with his adopted son.

1711
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,560
Speaker 4: Help with the adopted son, Yeah no, I kin'd I

1712
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:14,840
can't remember that guy's name, but either just having this

1713
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,800
fire burial, mourning thing, cremation and he walks up.

1714
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,159
Speaker 1: To the motherfucker.

1715
01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 4: Yeah give me that, puts his like hand on the

1716
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,560
sun with the son, nudges out of the way, and

1717
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:27,880
like adopts the seal door as his father.

1718
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:29,119
Speaker 3: I feel like just.

1719
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:31,119
Speaker 5: A weird dynamic all around with all this.

1720
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:32,640
Speaker 1: It's just kind of and you missed it. He didn't

1721
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:35,920
give him the torch. Remember he took it. He took

1722
01:18:37,239 --> 01:18:40,920
How awkward has that funeral been for everybody else? This

1723
01:18:41,119 --> 01:18:44,159
else having this nice moment he's kissing his body. He

1724
01:18:44,199 --> 01:18:46,079
would to give it this such a fucking dude already

1725
01:18:46,079 --> 01:18:49,199
he just throws and he walks off, like I already

1726
01:18:49,239 --> 01:18:52,079
look at this son character, like man, you could bring

1727
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:54,479
down the show. Quite a bit of this continues because

1728
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,920
again it's his mom, but just everything just like you

1729
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,720
know my father. Note, well then you're no use of me,

1730
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,039
so fuck off because the only thing we had together

1731
01:19:02,119 --> 01:19:04,079
is now ash like it's just like I get it,

1732
01:19:04,119 --> 01:19:06,159
and they just have this elf just like sad face

1733
01:19:06,199 --> 01:19:08,920
all time. But yeah, you're right, he is adopted by

1734
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:10,399
a sealed door. I guess. Yeah. That's the other ones

1735
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,439
we haven't talked about, is all the new newmaneer Man

1736
01:19:13,439 --> 01:19:20,119
and stuff, so newmnorians where they are, Uh.

1737
01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, seeing all the dynamics here they're unfolding between this

1738
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,359
elf character, the sun and then yeah, the sealed door.

1739
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:28,359
Speaker 3: Uh.

1740
01:19:28,399 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 5: The elf character and.

1741
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,479
Speaker 4: His his romance and the Sun was not a story

1742
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,640
I really cared much for in the first season. I

1743
01:19:33,640 --> 01:19:38,479
thought it was cool when the Sun found this like

1744
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:43,079
a this this Blade of Mordor type deal.

1745
01:19:43,119 --> 01:19:44,319
Speaker 3: I thought that was really really cool.

1746
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't think he serves much of a

1747
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,359
purpose now, like he's flexing that he did more for

1748
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:55,439
Adar than anyone else did because he's got little holes

1749
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:56,760
on his arm.

1750
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 3: Uh wherever we want that like that, like.

1751
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:02,279
Speaker 5: That I've done more than you guys.

1752
01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:07,239
Speaker 4: I just feel like he's he's spent, Like he doesn't

1753
01:20:07,279 --> 01:20:08,960
have anything else that he can really commit to the

1754
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:10,560
story now or contribute, I should say.

1755
01:20:11,399 --> 01:20:12,880
Speaker 3: So that's where I feel with his character.

1756
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 4: I don't need to have him in this this stepfather

1757
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:17,479
relationship dynamic with with the Alf.

1758
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 3: That's useless.

1759
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:21,560
Speaker 4: I think the Elf could be served better by actually

1760
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,479
trying to fight and try to do something justified and

1761
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:31,319
like make a make a a proper heroic rebound from

1762
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:34,439
regards to his lover that died and rebound.

1763
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 3: He's doing that though, right he's helping out like.

1764
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,399
Speaker 2: The village reluctantly.

1765
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,159
Speaker 4: I don't even know if he's helping out the village

1766
01:20:41,159 --> 01:20:43,720
because like he saves a seal door and then he

1767
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,840
starts walking off. I felt like he might as well

1768
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,800
just said, look at it. You like he saved him,

1769
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:49,439
what else are you gonna do?

1770
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 2: Save him?

1771
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 3: Sam?

1772
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 5: I felt like he was.

1773
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 4: I feel like he's gonna ask a seal door for

1774
01:20:54,119 --> 01:20:55,680
like payment too after saving him.

1775
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,039
Speaker 3: I don't know, just felt like.

1776
01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 2: Help he saved him just enough, like hey, they took

1777
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:04,359
my horse, and he's like, I don't give a shit

1778
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,039
about your horse. That's good enough, dude.

1779
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,840
Speaker 1: I just love when they were back in town and

1780
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:11,880
there's like a solid five minute scene of the Elf

1781
01:21:12,039 --> 01:21:15,119
just talking to the sun. That son's paying no attention

1782
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:17,720
to it whatsoever, but they're just talking. They're holding bags,

1783
01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:20,920
they're moving along, he's just giving them all his wisto

1784
01:21:21,159 --> 01:21:26,439
and then just like, leaning the fuck alone, you just

1785
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,199
used to sleep with my mom, Like I don't give

1786
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:31,359
a shit about you. I was just like, well, very well,

1787
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,439
you know, like I am curious what happens with him,

1788
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,560
but yeah, I don't have much interest in him him

1789
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,479
going forward, but I feel like we're gonna see him

1790
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,760
a few more times. Maybe we'll give us something to

1791
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:45,600
chew on. I'm not that also enthralled with the seal

1792
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,680
Door storyline right now. I did like the reveal of

1793
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:49,880
that lady he was taking a liking to had that

1794
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,479
mark on her back or neck, and she like Brandon

1795
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,439
as like, okay, that's that's fun. But I don't know,

1796
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:57,800
it's tough for me to invest in a seal door

1797
01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,000
knowing what happens.

1798
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:01,119
Speaker 5: To you, you know, like it's I don't know if that,

1799
01:22:01,359 --> 01:22:02,960
like her mark was necessary.

1800
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 4: Well, they all pledged allegiance to artists, so that's definitely

1801
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,800
not a good thing for them, because if you don't,

1802
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:10,119
you get fucking shanked.

1803
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,279
Speaker 1: Really, But was this like I am sure all against

1804
01:22:14,279 --> 01:22:15,800
her will, but was against me? Like she just did

1805
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:16,600
it to go along with it.

1806
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 5: Or was she Like I think most of them have

1807
01:22:19,159 --> 01:22:19,840
did do that.

1808
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 3: And again.

1809
01:22:22,199 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 4: We know that the killing people haul Brand got his people, well,

1810
01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:29,000
Saron got his people freed, right, which again, good guys, Saron,

1811
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:30,479
free my people, and.

1812
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:34,560
Speaker 5: I'll help you good nature. Arda agreed and free the people.

1813
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 4: So that's why it makes sense like she's Brandon, but

1814
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:38,960
she's out there roaming around, but it seems like she

1815
01:22:39,039 --> 01:22:42,600
denounces it or she's either hiding it and is on

1816
01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,520
like a secret mission trying to fuck them up, which

1817
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:46,840
I hope that's not the case.

1818
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:47,560
Speaker 3: I hope she is.

1819
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:52,359
Speaker 4: Genuinely just rescinding her vow to Arda and it's just

1820
01:22:52,399 --> 01:22:56,199
like burning that flesh scar off of there so she doesn't.

1821
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,399
Speaker 3: Have to worry about it. Because I got good vibes.

1822
01:22:59,079 --> 01:23:02,239
Speaker 4: From her, And if she really wanted to kill him,

1823
01:23:02,279 --> 01:23:03,479
then she could have killed him.

1824
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:04,119
Speaker 5: She doesn't know.

1825
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,640
Speaker 4: I don't think they talked about how he is really

1826
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:12,119
connected right to the lineage, because she know how important

1827
01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:13,960
he is. Like I'm just trying to see, like what

1828
01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:16,039
gain would she have if she is a spy? Is

1829
01:23:16,079 --> 01:23:18,359
there any kind of advancement that and benefit she would

1830
01:23:18,359 --> 01:23:19,239
have to being with him?

1831
01:23:19,359 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. If she knows what the elf kind

1832
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:23,279
of gave that away because remember they say something about

1833
01:23:23,359 --> 01:23:25,760
the dad like he's like, oh he left, but like

1834
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,359
he'll be back for you, and they never leave their people.

1835
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,479
So you're right. If she doesn't know the lineage, then

1836
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:33,439
you're fine. But if she knows of that, then it's

1837
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:35,680
oh fuck, this guy is a seal door, you know,

1838
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,600
like maybe there could be some use to him. And

1839
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:42,039
I just feel like for the dramatic beats of the show,

1840
01:23:42,039 --> 01:23:44,439
she should probably know. Like, I think that's something that

1841
01:23:44,439 --> 01:23:46,880
I'll play into it. You know, maybe she gives him

1842
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:48,800
up for something I don't know that's true.

1843
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:51,680
Speaker 3: Now, a seal door does have kids eventually, right, well.

1844
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,920
Speaker 1: He asked, Yeah, we got to get to the all

1845
01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:54,800
the airs.

1846
01:23:54,520 --> 01:24:00,279
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, legally this is not connect.

1847
01:24:00,279 --> 01:24:02,319
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so he might not in this one, he

1848
01:24:02,399 --> 01:24:04,760
might not. He might destroy the ring, you know, which

1849
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:07,239
I did. I did laugh at Almost in every episode

1850
01:24:07,279 --> 01:24:09,960
they had Eldron saying the warings must be destroyed, so

1851
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:14,119
it was like, Okay, I see you had a couple

1852
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:17,000
of those like lines, but uh yeah no, maybe this

1853
01:24:17,079 --> 01:24:18,439
is still there ends up being here on on a

1854
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:18,920
fucking cow.

1855
01:24:19,119 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 5: Aron's the one who's.

1856
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,520
Speaker 1: I want my ring this time that gets the.

1857
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 3: Galadriel's finger for it steals hers.

1858
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 2: I think Astro was her named the girl who is

1859
01:24:33,039 --> 01:24:37,680
sealed door teams up with there. I I'm I'm trying

1860
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,560
to pieced all together, Like, none of it really makes

1861
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,000
sense to me yet, so I'm curious, but I am

1862
01:24:42,079 --> 01:24:44,279
I am intrigued to see where it goes because I

1863
01:24:44,359 --> 01:24:46,840
just think about the whole plot going on there where

1864
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:48,720
she stabs him in the leg, okay, and then buddies

1865
01:24:48,840 --> 01:24:51,319
up with him. Okay, that makes sense. They stumbled across

1866
01:24:51,359 --> 01:24:53,920
across this guy, and that's why I'm not sure. I like, Okay,

1867
01:24:54,119 --> 01:24:56,399
was she part of this this whole plot and the

1868
01:24:56,399 --> 01:24:58,039
idea was to lead him to this guy? They would

1869
01:24:58,119 --> 01:24:59,880
kill him. I guess it would just kill him in

1870
01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:01,720
the I'm not really sure what their plan is from there,

1871
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,000
because at that point she probably wouldn't have known who

1872
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:09,039
he is. But then he's the one who's like, hey,

1873
01:25:09,119 --> 01:25:11,960
we should feed this guy. Give me that.

1874
01:25:12,199 --> 01:25:14,359
Speaker 4: She kept saying, let's go right like she didn't want

1875
01:25:14,359 --> 01:25:15,079
to stay.

1876
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, and then he insists that she gives him

1877
01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:20,800
foods and that that's the reason why he gets close

1878
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,560
to him and then he gets tricked, So it makes

1879
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,479
me think that she didn't have anything to do with that.

1880
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,079
But then when I was watching that scene Taylor, the

1881
01:25:27,359 --> 01:25:30,680
one at the end when she unbrands herself to me,

1882
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:33,640
at first I was like, Okay, well, she is clearly

1883
01:25:33,720 --> 01:25:35,680
just doing that to like continue being a spy and

1884
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,479
this whole thing was a ruse and like it doesn't

1885
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,560
really make a whole lot of sense. But at the

1886
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,119
same time, I feel like any of these followers wouldn't

1887
01:25:43,159 --> 01:25:45,880
want to remove that brand, even though like shroud themselves.

1888
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:47,800
They would just make sure that it can never be

1889
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:51,600
visible to another person. So yeah, the more we even

1890
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:54,560
just just hearing your theory, Taylor really throws mine off

1891
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,520
because I'm realizing how fragile my theory is of like

1892
01:25:57,560 --> 01:25:59,920
what she's doing or what her plot is there, or

1893
01:26:00,079 --> 01:26:02,479
like who she would even be working with that isn't

1894
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,840
just like one of these random like savage boy dudes

1895
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,600
that are living in the woods together and getting boys.

1896
01:26:10,279 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: They had the word for them, are my nasty boy.

1897
01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:15,800
I was like, what did you do to my people?

1898
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:18,600
Why they call the nasty boys? Oh, they're having kids

1899
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:19,800
now and everything.

1900
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:23,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess I really loved that quick It

1901
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,600
was a quick sequence, but I really liked watching around

1902
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,600
her fuck up all these all these men. I thought

1903
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:31,239
that was a really fun fights. He just shows how

1904
01:26:31,319 --> 01:26:34,760
great of a fighter he is. I I I remember

1905
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,560
not loving everything from around your storyline, But as a character,

1906
01:26:37,560 --> 01:26:39,640
I think he's He's got a real presence to him,

1907
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:41,560
Like I'm intrigued by the character, and so it was

1908
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:43,800
cool to see him get to pop off a little

1909
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,000
bit there. But yeah, the rest of the Sealed Door stuff,

1910
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,199
he's so much of a dufist, and I just don't

1911
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,359
I don't know, like maybe I should be expecting that,

1912
01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:53,880
but I just feel like Lord of the Rings in

1913
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:55,840
general as an ip like doesn't have a lot of

1914
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,479
dufices to me, Like you'll have Gamely who's like cracking jokes,

1915
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,600
and like definitely in the Hobbit it gets more dufisy,

1916
01:27:02,079 --> 01:27:05,560
but it's not really my I guess preferred cup of

1917
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,680
tea when it comes to Lord of the Rings the

1918
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,880
one field door yet, but hopefully he gets to a

1919
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:12,840
more interesting spot.

1920
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:15,359
Speaker 1: Right Like would Pippin be in the classified du fis

1921
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:16,520
category as well too?

1922
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that I would say anything of our

1923
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,479
characters are actually dufices.

1924
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,279
Speaker 1: How many trouble they get into the ring they touched.

1925
01:27:26,039 --> 01:27:28,880
Speaker 2: Stool and being a dufis though okay, like a seal

1926
01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:30,960
there is just kind of like a bumbling little dufist,

1927
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,079
whereas I feel like Mary, he's just like.

1928
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,199
Speaker 1: Child like even these three episodes, it's like he gets

1929
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:38,239
sad in the leg he falls in that trap and

1930
01:27:38,399 --> 01:27:42,920
just like this, this guy's gonna be the king. Oh I

1931
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:43,720
got me again?

1932
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:50,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I don't know. I I'm pretty pretty in

1933
01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:54,399
the middle on the sealed door right now. I personally,

1934
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:56,840
I feel like I don't really need him like much

1935
01:27:56,840 --> 01:27:58,960
in this show. Like I'm completely fine if they would

1936
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:01,239
have just left him in or it's like a last

1937
01:28:01,319 --> 01:28:02,680
scene to me, Yeah.

1938
01:28:02,479 --> 01:28:04,520
Speaker 1: It's like bring him in right like, oh okay, and

1939
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,880
then that's cool when he's like almost ready.

1940
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,000
Speaker 3: But I like, I have nothing against a sealed door.

1941
01:28:10,119 --> 01:28:12,279
Maybe you know to the fact that he stole the

1942
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:14,840
ring for himself and of course a lot of people.

1943
01:28:15,159 --> 01:28:17,640
You know, we can't talk about that right now because

1944
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:18,479
that doesn't happen yet.

1945
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,159
Speaker 1: He could kill a lot of people. This dude, this guy,

1946
01:28:21,279 --> 01:28:22,479
you look at him, he would be a guy that

1947
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:23,399
wouldn't give up the ring.

1948
01:28:23,399 --> 01:28:25,560
Speaker 3: That's what we're saying, you know, yeah, and like I

1949
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,840
don't know, it's just like the subplot of like him

1950
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,239
feeling guilty for like his mom dying like no one

1951
01:28:31,319 --> 01:28:33,319
knows that, like it was because of me, like all,

1952
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:36,159
like I just don't need this, Like I would rather

1953
01:28:36,199 --> 01:28:39,680
be with the anatar right now, just having him corrupt everyone,

1954
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:42,079
like you know, like I I just think that we

1955
01:28:42,119 --> 01:28:45,039
could shave off I mean, Travis, I think it was

1956
01:28:45,039 --> 01:28:46,960
you that mentioned like you're fine with shaving off some

1957
01:28:47,039 --> 01:28:50,359
of the Adur stuff right like just there's certain areas

1958
01:28:50,399 --> 01:28:52,119
of the show. I feel like you could really trim

1959
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:54,039
down everything.

1960
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 1: With him and for me, I know we we and

1961
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,800
you especially like New Minor and everything. Get rid of

1962
01:28:59,039 --> 01:29:01,279
everything going on on right now there in my opin

1963
01:29:02,199 --> 01:29:05,119
with the Blind Queen with the Eagle, like you.

1964
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 3: Get rid of numenor you've told no, not get rid.

1965
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,880
Speaker 1: Of that, get rid of the storylines going on there.

1966
01:29:10,079 --> 01:29:12,159
You told me because you know, like I have not

1967
01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:13,880
read the books a long time, so take your refer

1968
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:20,119
You told me the eagles are so important, so God

1969
01:29:20,199 --> 01:29:23,239
like they only come down for the most important points

1970
01:29:23,319 --> 01:29:26,640
of history in Middle earth. They're coming down to ignite

1971
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,600
fucking eyebrows mackey, guys, my egel pens working like they

1972
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,640
come down like god, he's the king gone. Then they

1973
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:34,239
fly away.

1974
01:29:34,399 --> 01:29:35,159
Speaker 5: Misconception.

1975
01:29:35,319 --> 01:29:37,279
Speaker 4: I like you could tell the eagle was like, Okay,

1976
01:29:37,279 --> 01:29:40,520
you guys aren't picking up what I'm putting down.

1977
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 1: Like why is the eagle coming down to give his

1978
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:48,920
opinion on this person? Should be like to me, that

1979
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,279
didn't truck. Yeah, no, I don't like anything happening at

1980
01:29:51,319 --> 01:29:54,399
numenor right now. It's all. It's all stuff that I

1981
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:56,720
could skip the next time I rewatched the show.

1982
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:02,079
Speaker 4: It's not pallenteer geated like this thing just obviously like

1983
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:03,439
popped off in this eagle.

1984
01:30:04,199 --> 01:30:05,359
Speaker 3: I feel like they're powerful.

1985
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:07,119
Speaker 1: All well, I think.

1986
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,159
Speaker 4: Then the eagle landed and realized like what the fuck

1987
01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:10,920
are you guys doing?

1988
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,039
Speaker 5: Because it like Feneral or whatever.

1989
01:30:13,079 --> 01:30:16,159
Speaker 4: The fucking guy Parion Pharizon Pharizon, he goes like what

1990
01:30:16,199 --> 01:30:17,399
the fuck are you guys doing?

1991
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:18,239
Speaker 3: And it just left.

1992
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:23,199
Speaker 1: But that's why I just he'll just leading, oh ship,

1993
01:30:23,279 --> 01:30:25,560
this problem, this is a problem. Why didn't even come?

1994
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,239
It's I just didn't like it. It just didn't make

1995
01:30:28,279 --> 01:30:28,760
sense for me.

1996
01:30:29,159 --> 01:30:31,079
Speaker 3: I have no idea why that, why that eagle was

1997
01:30:31,119 --> 01:30:34,520
there that maybe that's something in the book. I do

1998
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,159
not remember that at all. I I I didn't even

1999
01:30:37,159 --> 01:30:39,560
know they really had much dealings with the Orians like

2000
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,079
around this time. I feel like I just know them

2001
01:30:42,159 --> 01:30:45,039
as kind of an ally to our forces of good,

2002
01:30:45,119 --> 01:30:47,399
like they they popped up in like the major battles

2003
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,199
obviously in in the the Return of the King era,

2004
01:30:50,319 --> 01:30:52,720
but also in like the War of Wrath, like when

2005
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:55,039
our forces are fighting against more goth Like they're just

2006
01:30:55,119 --> 01:30:57,600
kind of always an ally to our good guys. I

2007
01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:01,039
just was really surprised that it was there on the balcony,

2008
01:31:01,079 --> 01:31:04,239
And I guess I just don't know much about like

2009
01:31:04,279 --> 01:31:06,199
the history of Numenor, like they seem like it was

2010
01:31:06,279 --> 01:31:08,960
a sign of like the heavens, like the eagles are

2011
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:12,279
choosing Farison. I did not get that much at all

2012
01:31:12,319 --> 01:31:14,880
in that moment to speak on just what's going on

2013
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:18,960
with Numenor right now. I don't mind it. I just

2014
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,920
feel like it's fast for us to already be at

2015
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:24,880
this level of discourse where it's like a civil war

2016
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:30,279
already happening in Numenor, and like, yeah, like minor spoiler

2017
01:31:30,319 --> 01:31:33,119
but like like Saraon's not even there yet, and like

2018
01:31:33,119 --> 01:31:35,800
this is already happening, Like like like what's gonna happen

2019
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:40,359
if he eventually gets there and like actually starts corrupting people?

2020
01:31:40,399 --> 01:31:43,479
Like I, I do like the fact that throughout the

2021
01:31:43,960 --> 01:31:47,439
world we are seeing just the effects of like this

2022
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,640
evil rising in the world right like cause of doom

2023
01:31:49,720 --> 01:31:53,520
is starting to just like cave in numonorians are just

2024
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,640
like at each other's throats. But I just feel like

2025
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:59,199
it's really fast to already be like making claims for

2026
01:31:59,239 --> 01:32:02,319
the throne at this point in time. It just feels

2027
01:32:02,359 --> 01:32:04,760
really fast, especially that we haven't even really seen much

2028
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:07,359
newman or so far in this season, and in the

2029
01:32:07,359 --> 01:32:10,680
first episode we really go there, they're already like about

2030
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,039
to overthrow the queen. Like I I, I just it

2031
01:32:13,079 --> 01:32:15,199
feels really fast to me, And I'm curious what the

2032
01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:17,760
next episode is going to look Like they were there.

2033
01:32:17,720 --> 01:32:20,880
Speaker 1: Last season though, right, so you'll stop. So I wonder

2034
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,720
if they could backtrack and say, like he did a

2035
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,159
little something while he was there, left a little you

2036
01:32:25,239 --> 01:32:27,279
a piece of himself, and that started a.

2037
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 3: Don't like that what he was doing when he was there, well,

2038
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:32,760
he was hal brand right, like he was just still

2039
01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:35,439
that persona like he was he was like the King

2040
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:38,920
of the Southlands. And then and then he was traveling.

2041
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,359
Speaker 1: He took a dump in someone's backyard and just let

2042
01:32:41,399 --> 01:32:42,520
it fester the whole.

2043
01:32:42,319 --> 01:32:42,880
Speaker 6: Time, you know.

2044
01:32:43,199 --> 01:32:45,600
Speaker 3: So he's working on Gladril, that's what he was doing.

2045
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:51,640
Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, Yeah, he is.

2046
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:56,560
Speaker 2: Any thoughts, No, I I just times to what you said, Travis.

2047
01:32:56,600 --> 01:32:58,399
I'm not not digging it so far, and I hope

2048
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:00,920
it gets a little bit more interesting. But yeah, I

2049
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,680
think I was more intrigued with it in the first

2050
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,720
season when we had some of our key players there.

2051
01:33:06,079 --> 01:33:07,640
And now what you're just leaving me with like the

2052
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,399
scraps and then we're like trying to make a new

2053
01:33:09,399 --> 01:33:12,760
storyline with the scraps that are there without adding any

2054
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,960
like new compelling characters. So yeah, hopefully it picks up,

2055
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:19,680
because I've been hearing a lot about this new minor place,

2056
01:33:20,199 --> 01:33:21,800
you know, and it's got to live up to the hype.

2057
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,439
Same thing just looks pretty, you know, made me to

2058
01:33:24,600 --> 01:33:25,359
hype for Newmanor.

2059
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 3: So I got to get a very significant place, right

2060
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,720
Ara Gorn's peoples from like like that's a big deal.

2061
01:33:32,199 --> 01:33:35,199
Speaker 2: All of like in there anymore. You know, he's over

2062
01:33:35,279 --> 01:33:38,479
in a parlor guar hanging out with some other people.

2063
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:39,640
Speaker 3: And gear f.

2064
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 4: Apparently because Muriel is the blind queen right, Apparently an

2065
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,199
eagle had appeared at the coronation of her father becoming king.

2066
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:55,279
So I guess the eagle was appearing here for her coronation,

2067
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,039
but the cousin guy just.

2068
01:33:57,079 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 3: Took advantage of the chaosity. Yeah, that's a wild clay.

2069
01:34:00,119 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 5: He's here for me.

2070
01:34:01,039 --> 01:34:08,279
Speaker 3: It's actually so much funnier if that is the case.

2071
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:09,479
Speaker 5: Eagles just like.

2072
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,279
Speaker 3: What the fuck is going on here?

2073
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:18,399
Speaker 1: Any peasant could get them, like trying to set from

2074
01:34:19,279 --> 01:34:20,520
I remember the eagle when I.

2075
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:25,479
Speaker 2: Was a child, give as I'm out here, Just give

2076
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,039
me my money and I'm out of here, Like.

2077
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,720
Speaker 1: That's either nowhere, Lord of the Rings, Like we gave

2078
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:31,880
up on the Middle Earth. They fucking sucked down there.

2079
01:34:33,039 --> 01:34:35,479
That fact wh you had, was that from like show

2080
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:36,520
wiki or book.

2081
01:34:36,319 --> 01:34:42,640
Speaker 5: Wiki about the the The Greens Father. Yeah, not actual wiki.

2082
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:44,159
It was just a quoted comment.

2083
01:34:44,359 --> 01:34:46,319
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's from the show, Okay, So yeah again,

2084
01:34:46,359 --> 01:34:48,479
I just I just never had in my mind that

2085
01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:51,600
the eagles came down to get involved in political side

2086
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:52,520
of things, and I don't.

2087
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:55,119
Speaker 4: And then Minor is different, right because New Minor has

2088
01:34:55,199 --> 01:34:57,279
much more, don't they have like more of like a

2089
01:34:57,279 --> 01:34:59,279
close affinity with the Valor.

2090
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:04,479
Speaker 3: Well yeah, like yeah, they're the origins of New Minor

2091
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:07,640
are very like Elf influenced, like el Ron's dad was

2092
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:11,560
the first king of Numanor actually l Ros and like

2093
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:17,239
throughout the years. Obviously now like Farison is saying, like

2094
01:35:18,359 --> 01:35:20,560
he's basically saying like we don't trust Elf artifacts, like

2095
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,399
it's very distance from what the actual origin of that are.

2096
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:30,600
And I think actually in episode three, what is the

2097
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:34,279
gentleman's name, Valan Deal like a seal Door's buddy from

2098
01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:37,439
the first season when he's when he's interfacing with those

2099
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:39,800
guys in the courtyard, he's about to scrap, yeah, he said.

2100
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,439
He says something like a prayer, like something along the

2101
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:44,960
lines of like the may the Force be with you,

2102
01:35:45,039 --> 01:35:47,399
but like may the Valor always be watched, just like

2103
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,880
something in like those lines, like he still is loyal

2104
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:51,840
to the Valar. Where it makes me think that like

2105
01:35:51,960 --> 01:35:56,359
el Farison and like those crew are very anti against that.

2106
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:58,880
So I think we'll be seeing more of that in

2107
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:02,560
this season of just the split in that, especially just

2108
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:05,560
their beliefs of what you said, like the Tide to

2109
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:07,000
the Valor and things like that.

2110
01:36:07,239 --> 01:36:09,279
Speaker 5: Do you see the instruction of Newmanor this season?

2111
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:13,119
Speaker 3: No follow New Minor, it's coming. Well, we'll get that

2112
01:36:13,159 --> 01:36:15,399
before gil Galla does. I'll tell you that much.

2113
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:17,159
Speaker 5: Season a lot of visions of it.

2114
01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:19,199
Speaker 2: They'd be kind of crazy to foreshadow of that in

2115
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:21,079
season one and then not do it now.

2116
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:22,279
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2117
01:36:22,319 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 2: Like I said, we're already like halfway through the season

2118
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:24,840
pretty much, so.

2119
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:26,319
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think we get it this season.

2120
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:30,399
I think we're getting because we're getting the Aragian stuff. Yeah,

2121
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,039
I I future like it will happen in the show

2122
01:36:33,039 --> 01:36:36,239
at some point, but I don't think right now. Let's

2123
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:37,039
it gets canceled.

2124
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 2: Let's gets canceled.

2125
01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 3: Fucking Eagles, ma'am, like the accolade waiting on those those

2126
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:43,920
storylines to to keep going.

2127
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,600
Speaker 1: I think this will at least get it season three. Well,

2128
01:36:47,680 --> 01:36:51,680
let's see. Well, I'm not gonna say for sure, I'm

2129
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,119
gonna say they'll do it, but I'm weighing this.

2130
01:36:55,039 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 2: Like hyped about this upcoming season. People that were like

2131
01:36:59,680 --> 01:37:01,239
into the first season, and.

2132
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:03,399
Speaker 1: I just feel like when you start to get those

2133
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:06,119
memes going, that's when the tie we saw with that act,

2134
01:37:06,199 --> 01:37:07,800
like that's when the tide starts to turn. When you

2135
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:09,479
start when the show starts to get made fun of,

2136
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:11,760
that's when I saw those baby Orc means like this

2137
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:13,359
isn't good, this is not what this is.

2138
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:18,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, cute baby Orc merch you know, pull the Disney Yeah,

2139
01:37:18,199 --> 01:37:20,560
like you gotta have a cute little creature in twenty property.

2140
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 1: There's like two types of memes. There's like that you're

2141
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:24,760
in on the joke and you're not on the joke,

2142
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:26,840
and that's it's just like you don't want that for

2143
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,239
your show, and because that will deter people. But and

2144
01:37:29,319 --> 01:37:32,039
I think for Ga, I think for some people, unless

2145
01:37:32,039 --> 01:37:33,479
you love all of the rings, it is tough because

2146
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:36,000
it moves so slow. I can see so many people

2147
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:38,079
being And that was what happened last season, right was

2148
01:37:38,359 --> 01:37:40,520
it was midway point and then it like dropped big time.

2149
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,159
People just gave up on the show because I think

2150
01:37:42,159 --> 01:37:44,479
it just was the I think the problem is because

2151
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,239
even when I pulled up the IMDb again, all the

2152
01:37:47,319 --> 01:37:50,319
trailers are like show meteors crashing things and battles, Like

2153
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:53,000
all the previews for the show is look at all

2154
01:37:53,039 --> 01:37:56,560
these battles and like signs fiction or like fantasy stuff

2155
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,520
going on. But when you get the show it has

2156
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:01,319
some of that, of course, but like even like, like, yah,

2157
01:38:01,399 --> 01:38:03,239
if I've talked about him, right, there's I'm sure in

2158
01:38:03,239 --> 01:38:05,239
the trailer looks great when he throws on his staff

2159
01:38:05,399 --> 01:38:07,800
and it's a big sandstorm and whatnot, But the actual

2160
01:38:07,800 --> 01:38:09,279
show is just kind of like, oh, a moment to

2161
01:38:09,319 --> 01:38:11,199
take out a few guys where if like in the

2162
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:13,000
trailers they make them look like, wow, it's gonna be

2163
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:15,560
this huge set piece, and I'm still I still like

2164
01:38:15,640 --> 01:38:19,319
those characters. I find it funny that the hard feet, like, man,

2165
01:38:19,319 --> 01:38:21,199
did they grow up into you like they were Like

2166
01:38:21,239 --> 01:38:22,640
I don't. I don't even want to say how old

2167
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,319
they were. I just felt like they were young adults

2168
01:38:25,399 --> 01:38:27,000
and the show started. Now it's like, oh, these are

2169
01:38:27,039 --> 01:38:29,880
just like young ladies. Like it was just odd. It

2170
01:38:29,960 --> 01:38:32,239
was like, man, what we've been traveling for a while.

2171
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:35,560
I found it very odd because I actually really liked

2172
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,880
them in season one. I liked their friendship, so I

2173
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:39,439
think it was a con for me in season one

2174
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:41,920
when they split up, it was it's Nori and who's

2175
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,039
her friend Poppy. I was like, Oh, that's a bummer.

2176
01:38:45,079 --> 01:38:47,359
Why did they slit them up like keep themgither and

2177
01:38:47,399 --> 01:38:49,720
then just episode one or whenever they introduced it was like,

2178
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,560
actually Poppy's back and we're just hanging out. So it's like, okay,

2179
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:54,760
same thing as like the finale with Sar and going

2180
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:56,520
to Mortar. It's like that didn't really pay off, But

2181
01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:59,119
I'm glad they're together and this is a storyline. I

2182
01:38:59,159 --> 01:39:00,920
still got a wait and see because I feel like

2183
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,399
if the show goes on for five seasons, I think

2184
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:08,640
every season, Gandalf's gonna be traveling somewhere doing some little task,

2185
01:39:09,079 --> 01:39:12,520
Like he's gonna be like the Denaris of Lord of

2186
01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:14,279
the Rings where it's not till like the final seasons

2187
01:39:14,279 --> 01:39:16,600
where oh Danny finally gets to come to Westros to

2188
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:18,880
meet all the other characters. Like I feel like Gandalf's

2189
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:22,800
gonna be side Quest City for seasons and seasons. And

2190
01:39:23,399 --> 01:39:25,279
there's things I like about that, there's things I don't.

2191
01:39:25,399 --> 01:39:28,640
I'm still confused about he had, Like I guess they're

2192
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:31,319
trying to say now that he's remembering some things and

2193
01:39:31,359 --> 01:39:34,359
he's been to certain situations before, but it's odd where

2194
01:39:34,359 --> 01:39:36,319
he's supposed to be almost like a character with amnesia,

2195
01:39:36,399 --> 01:39:39,159
but he's always giving them like words of wisdom. It's like, well,

2196
01:39:39,159 --> 01:39:41,000
this doesn't make sense. How you don't it? But now

2197
01:39:41,039 --> 01:39:42,439
I kind of see where they're going with it, So

2198
01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:45,279
that one's like a I like it so far, but

2199
01:39:45,279 --> 01:39:47,039
it's more way and see. And then my last point

2200
01:39:47,119 --> 01:39:48,560
is they have that I don't know what is he

2201
01:39:48,640 --> 01:39:51,199
the evil? What's that guy? Uh? Who the guy that

2202
01:39:51,239 --> 01:39:54,159
played the devil in ghost Rider season or Ghostwriter too too?

2203
01:39:54,279 --> 01:39:56,840
He's in the show, is like the Yeah, the Dark Wizard,

2204
01:39:57,119 --> 01:39:59,199
the Dark Wizard. So I just love He's like, well,

2205
01:39:59,239 --> 01:40:01,800
I send one of my like whever he says apostles

2206
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,079
or assistance. There's that tracker guy, right, he's a gold

2207
01:40:04,119 --> 01:40:07,079
bask actly. Yeah. So he's like, I sent one of

2208
01:40:07,079 --> 01:40:10,560
my acolytes after Gandalf, you know, prayer phrasing. What makes

2209
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:11,960
you think you could take him out? And he's like,

2210
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:15,199
well he has, you know, horror fit friends, and I'm

2211
01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:17,560
gonna use them as sausages. And the Dark Wizard's like,

2212
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:23,800
oh my god, Like I just say his genius. It

2213
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:26,520
reminds me it's played off in a genuine way. In the

2214
01:40:26,600 --> 01:40:29,479
Dark Night, when the Goons go to Joker, they said,

2215
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,920
what's the plan? And Jokers, well, we kill the Batman.

2216
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:34,760
Everyone laughs at him, and Joker's dead serious. And this

2217
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:36,760
was the reversal of that where it's just like, it

2218
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:39,600
feels like the Dark Wizard's not in on the joke,

2219
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,119
and it just was very odd that that's his plan

2220
01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:44,560
to take off gandoff is while we're gonna kidnap these

2221
01:40:44,560 --> 01:40:47,880
hobbits or these halflings, and so I like what's going on,

2222
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,319
but I'm not in love with it yet. We'll see.

2223
01:40:49,359 --> 01:40:52,199
I still actually like the actor playing Gandalff though, m hmm.

2224
01:40:52,600 --> 01:40:56,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. I I really enjoyed that that whole the sequence

2225
01:40:56,119 --> 01:40:58,479
in all three episodes. I don't think there's a whole

2226
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:00,359
lot for me to break down, honestly, but I I

2227
01:41:00,439 --> 01:41:03,800
just love a good travel sequence, especially when so much

2228
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,479
of those seem to be just automatic fast travel in

2229
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:08,720
this show. I like that we're just having a sequence

2230
01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:12,600
of traveling through the beautiful lands. You know, a little

2231
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:14,680
thing here there that stops them in their tracks and

2232
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:17,560
they got to solve it. And then the situation with

2233
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,760
these people following them. We'll see how that goes in

2234
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:23,039
terms of like that villain clan going after them and

2235
01:41:23,079 --> 01:41:25,319
how intriguing that ends up being. But even if it's

2236
01:41:25,359 --> 01:41:27,479
just like I don't know, a little tension to add

2237
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:30,359
onto their travel sequence, that's fine for me too. I

2238
01:41:30,399 --> 01:41:33,239
really like that sequence where Gandalf goes down. They take

2239
01:41:33,279 --> 01:41:35,920
them to the water well, and just like for me

2240
01:41:36,039 --> 01:41:38,000
that that was really good tension there of just like

2241
01:41:38,119 --> 01:41:41,159
that well and the thing smashing that thing over and

2242
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:43,560
over again. It's just it's so much more aggressive than

2243
01:41:43,600 --> 01:41:45,279
it needs to be to get that idea across that

2244
01:41:45,319 --> 01:41:47,640
they're making noise. But to me, it like almost worked

2245
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:49,800
on like a horror movie, like, oh shit, they're gonna

2246
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:53,199
get caught here. So I really like that whole sequence.

2247
01:41:54,279 --> 01:41:58,640
I really like just the how uncontrolled he is with

2248
01:41:58,760 --> 01:42:02,399
his powers, but how powerful they can potentially be. We

2249
01:42:02,479 --> 01:42:04,680
saw that with with the Beatles and the food, and

2250
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:06,560
I just it was different than what he expected there.

2251
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:10,199
But then the sandstorm just being like this massive attack that.

2252
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 3: Killed the heart foots. Right, what's that? He killed Nori

2253
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:15,199
and Poppy?

2254
01:42:15,279 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah they're dead.

2255
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:20,079
Speaker 1: Now if you imagine, so before he just walks, what

2256
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:25,039
have I done? Like he's just there and that's why

2257
01:42:25,039 --> 01:42:26,880
he's so dead at the Hobbits and Lord of the

2258
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:31,760
Rings with you, just he feels like he's atoning for

2259
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:36,920
what he did. He goes back to the heartfoots. Where's

2260
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:40,319
my daughter? Oh the dark wizard man, he's a mysterious

2261
01:42:40,359 --> 01:42:41,479
man and his accolades.

2262
01:42:42,079 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 2: Oh god, Yeah, that sequence all good with me?

2263
01:42:46,199 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 1: You guys got any thoughts or are we scarping?

2264
01:42:48,039 --> 01:42:55,079
Speaker 3: I I'm glad that Poppy and uh Nori reunited. They're

2265
01:42:55,119 --> 01:42:58,039
honestly my favorite portions about all of my Gandal sequences

2266
01:42:58,079 --> 01:43:01,399
that we're getting right now. I don't mind, like our

2267
01:43:01,760 --> 01:43:06,159
story coming to Middle Earth, like to do his base,

2268
01:43:06,359 --> 01:43:09,560
like basically just do his purpose of helping the forces

2269
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,760
of good defeat Souron. I just I don't know, just

2270
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:15,680
just every time we go to them. I wasn't a

2271
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:18,600
fan of the Assassins. I really like the opening sequence

2272
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:21,960
and we go to Ruin and just seeing like that

2273
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:25,079
place because that's never been shown, Like, I really have

2274
01:43:25,279 --> 01:43:27,600
very limited knowledge on just what goes on there other

2275
01:43:27,680 --> 01:43:30,199
than the armies that come in the events of Return

2276
01:43:30,199 --> 01:43:30,560
of the King.

2277
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:33,359
Speaker 2: But especially as someone who's played a shit tone of

2278
01:43:33,399 --> 01:43:36,159
the Lord of the Rings risk game and that's always

2279
01:43:36,199 --> 01:43:38,760
one of the regions, but you never go there.

2280
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 3: I forgot about, like.

2281
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:42,680
Speaker 2: I don't have no point of reference of what that

2282
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:43,199
place is.

2283
01:43:43,279 --> 01:43:46,680
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it was cool to see that and just

2284
01:43:46,680 --> 01:43:48,920
just have like a different dark wizard and their little

2285
01:43:48,920 --> 01:43:52,119
accolade set up that they have. It's like it's like

2286
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:56,359
a temple or it just feels dark and creepy, and uh,

2287
01:43:56,920 --> 01:44:02,479
I liked seeing that location. I don't mind. I don't know.

2288
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,199
I say I don't mind, but I feel like I

2289
01:44:04,319 --> 01:44:05,960
just maybe I do mind.

2290
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:09,439
Speaker 1: I'm pretty you still don't like that Scandalf, I can say,

2291
01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:11,399
I can hear it in your voice, right, is that it?

2292
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:20,359
Speaker 3: There's I was gonna wait for him to finish, but uh,

2293
01:44:21,359 --> 01:44:25,840
he's finished, so I got got. I don't know. I

2294
01:44:26,079 --> 01:44:29,279
think I'm a lot more accepting of it now, Like

2295
01:44:29,319 --> 01:44:29,800
it's it's I.

2296
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:31,560
Speaker 1: Can hear it. You're like a parent who like met

2297
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,840
their child's boyfriend or girlfriend, Like I don't like this person,

2298
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:36,840
but you're like, oh, yeah, Timmy's great.

2299
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 3: Like it's it's tricky because like I I like the

2300
01:44:40,520 --> 01:44:43,960
idea of him having this early interaction with Hartfoot's and

2301
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:46,119
that kind of like just starts like the spark of

2302
01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:48,760
his love for Hobbits by the events, and again they're

2303
01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,600
not tied legally by any means, but I still just

2304
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:52,720
like that pairing.

2305
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:54,760
Speaker 1: Even the right like they go like he's tied to

2306
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:57,439
the Hobbits, right, And I agree, I like that aspect.

2307
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 3: So I do like that. I've just these because it's

2308
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,760
just such a big world with so many big powers

2309
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,600
and moving pieces. Just the effect that you know, just

2310
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:09,039
little folks can have on the world, Like that's just

2311
01:45:09,079 --> 01:45:12,279
a really that's a big theme overall, just in in

2312
01:45:12,399 --> 01:45:14,560
Lord of the Rings, like just it doesn't take much

2313
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:17,760
to have change or put in what the fuck am

2314
01:45:17,800 --> 01:45:22,119
I trying to say here? Put change for Jesus Christ.

2315
01:45:22,720 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 1: The size of dog in the fights.

2316
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:27,199
Speaker 3: That sounds better than what I said. But I feel

2317
01:45:27,239 --> 01:45:30,359
like all my favorite sequences are with pretty much just

2318
01:45:30,439 --> 01:45:33,800
the the chemistry of what the Hartfoots have, like even

2319
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:38,159
just them interacting with our stranger. Some of that is fun.

2320
01:45:38,279 --> 01:45:40,560
I theally you point out, just like his wild magic

2321
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:44,640
that he has right now, it's fun, Like I like

2322
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:48,960
just how early it is in his career of being

2323
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:51,720
this wizard. But I just feel like maybe we're spending

2324
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,479
way too many sequences with him, And that's wild to

2325
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:56,319
say that since we've only had three episodes, but I

2326
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:59,239
just would rather spend those scenes elsewhere right now.

2327
01:45:59,319 --> 01:46:03,079
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just still thinking what Taylor said that

2328
01:46:03,159 --> 01:46:03,880
they killed him.

2329
01:46:05,079 --> 01:46:07,600
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is that scenes they were fucking gone.

2330
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:09,199
They went up into the skies.

2331
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:11,520
Speaker 1: Next week, I'm gonna think about that multiple times a

2332
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,479
week of again just.

2333
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:18,000
Speaker 2: Killing When Taylor said the add our skull, fuck sorrow On,

2334
01:46:20,920 --> 01:46:21,600
I feel.

2335
01:46:21,399 --> 01:46:23,640
Speaker 1: Like sorrow like for this mask. Like he didn't hear

2336
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,920
the switch, he didn't know that helmet was coming down

2337
01:46:25,960 --> 01:46:26,479
on him.

2338
01:46:26,359 --> 01:46:28,520
Speaker 4: And he looked at the ground put his head down.

2339
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:34,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, head on the ground.

2340
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:37,039
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, like, there's an interesting quote here

2341
01:46:37,079 --> 01:46:41,880
about Soar on the Circle Pact. Saraon can now just

2342
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:44,600
be sour On like Tony Soprano or Walter White. In

2343
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:47,079
season two, he's evil but complexly evil.

2344
01:46:47,319 --> 01:46:48,399
Speaker 3: We felt like we did that.

2345
01:46:48,359 --> 01:46:50,119
Speaker 5: In season one. He over shot everything else.

2346
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:52,399
Speaker 4: So the first season is like Batman begins and the

2347
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:54,520
Dark Night is the next movie.

2348
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:59,199
Speaker 5: Sara, this off my screen, me and.

2349
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:04,439
Speaker 1: You're trying to compare Sar and a Batman begins. Everyone's like,

2350
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:06,359
that's the best. Bruce Wayne story out there. We don't

2351
01:47:06,399 --> 01:47:11,039
know if I'm fucking about this guy. These writers, my god, oh,

2352
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:13,560
before you go to they did hint Austin gonna get

2353
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:15,840
his staff and they were trying to name him this episode,

2354
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:16,359
which is like.

2355
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:18,279
Speaker 2: Situation.

2356
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:20,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't like that. I'm like, what about this

2357
01:47:20,319 --> 01:47:22,960
thing you field in your hearts? That's not exactly that works.

2358
01:47:23,199 --> 01:47:25,359
I did like when she's like, how about Roderck and

2359
01:47:25,399 --> 01:47:28,279
they both like you already said that, like pip, uh,

2360
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:31,720
what's her name again? What's the name again? Poppy? And

2361
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:33,399
again off at the same time again stare like you

2362
01:47:33,479 --> 01:47:36,960
already said that, Like so they again, fun little trio there,

2363
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:39,199
but you're getting the staff of the name coming up soon?

2364
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,520
Speaker 3: Which name is it gonna be? He needs to be

2365
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:46,520
kend something different. I was really worried that when she said, like, Godrick,

2366
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,399
whatever the fuck it was? I like that, and he

2367
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:51,760
just has that for this show because they could do that,

2368
01:47:51,840 --> 01:47:52,880
they could change his head.

2369
01:47:53,039 --> 01:47:55,600
Speaker 5: Technically, I'll just whip out myth ran deer.

2370
01:47:56,479 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 1: It's tough because I think this show goes for the

2371
01:47:59,319 --> 01:48:01,439
I'm not saying go fancers, but it kind of does.

2372
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:03,840
Like remember Kirkland, you were you were mad last year,

2373
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,359
You're like, why is there a ball rock already? At cause?

2374
01:48:06,479 --> 01:48:12,720
Do I feel like it's gonna be like a Gundolf

2375
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:15,000
sounds good and it's gonna be like there will be

2376
01:48:15,039 --> 01:48:17,439
a chime. I'll be like, it's gottened off. I think

2377
01:48:17,479 --> 01:48:20,319
it's gonna I have met many names, but I feel

2378
01:48:20,319 --> 01:48:22,079
like Gandalf will be said.

2379
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:26,479
Speaker 3: Okay, what have we got?

2380
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:32,560
Speaker 4: We got m hmm, would you say Kirkland.

2381
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:33,039
Speaker 3: The g name?

2382
01:48:33,079 --> 01:48:38,399
Speaker 1: I think we're getting the gen name, said Genie.

2383
01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:40,560
Speaker 3: That's in the book. You know the character.

2384
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:46,399
Speaker 4: Lauren apparently his other name he has interesting Lauren Lauren.

2385
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:46,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2386
01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:54,359
Speaker 4: Uh so the heartfoots uh yeah, there this story. I

2387
01:48:54,359 --> 01:48:59,640
thought it was cute in the first season, and you know,

2388
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:00,920
we didn't have long enough.

2389
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:02,359
Speaker 1: Time with them. They just put it out there. He

2390
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:04,560
wants them to die in the tornado.

2391
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:06,880
Speaker 4: Like what happens, Like the tornado stops and they fall

2392
01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:09,199
five hundred feet down and they land in water crowd

2393
01:49:09,279 --> 01:49:13,439
the water, yeah, or big sand like or they're falling

2394
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:16,359
and the ruined soldiers shooting arrows at him or something.

2395
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:20,640
Speaker 1: I was just watching mask it in the air put

2396
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:22,680
a stone, Gandalf like come.

2397
01:49:26,039 --> 01:49:30,600
Speaker 2: Spinning them around he's just he's.

2398
01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:31,840
Speaker 5: Like, that's my name that.

2399
01:49:34,239 --> 01:49:36,960
Speaker 1: He's like turn the sand into like a blender. He's

2400
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:40,359
just ripping them the pieces and everything. No, they just

2401
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:43,119
land somewhere soft, that's easy. They'll land in a bush

2402
01:49:43,159 --> 01:49:45,159
somewhere and like, oh my goodness. And maybe it's gonna

2403
01:49:45,159 --> 01:49:47,880
be an episode where they're split apart, because I guarantee

2404
01:49:47,880 --> 01:49:50,479
the Dark Wizard's gonna have some scene with Gandalf alone,

2405
01:49:51,039 --> 01:49:53,560
and Gandalf doesn't have his moral compass to the little people.

2406
01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,319
He's like, maybe I do want to just fun sit up.

2407
01:49:55,359 --> 01:49:57,680
I don't know, Like you know, they're gonna.

2408
01:49:57,439 --> 01:49:59,720
Speaker 4: Be the same speech that the old guy gave sour

2409
01:49:59,800 --> 01:50:01,680
on you. You keep doing bad things, and you're bad

2410
01:50:01,840 --> 01:50:08,359
just becomes your nature nature. I'm not a fan of

2411
01:50:08,399 --> 01:50:12,239
the Dark Wizard any of that stuff. Haven't was like

2412
01:50:12,319 --> 01:50:16,039
the the eminem hairdoo back, Like, I'm just not a

2413
01:50:16,079 --> 01:50:20,479
fan of the Acolytes or Vanilla Ice or whatever the

2414
01:50:20,560 --> 01:50:22,439
fuck what are you talking about?

2415
01:50:22,479 --> 01:50:24,119
Speaker 1: He had long blonde hairs.

2416
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 2: Talking about Accolyte.

2417
01:50:27,479 --> 01:50:29,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that wasn't good.

2418
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not a fan of the bad there's you got.

2419
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:36,640
Speaker 1: They got the new assassins now, you know.

2420
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:38,600
Speaker 5: The new Assassins are cool. I like their armor, I

2421
01:50:38,640 --> 01:50:42,279
like their look. I think they're super cool to Star Wars.

2422
01:50:42,279 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 1: For me, they did look a little too.

2423
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 2: And we're also like on some planet kind of thing.

2424
01:50:47,680 --> 01:50:50,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just.

2425
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:52,720
Speaker 4: Am ready to move on from like the Dark Wizards.

2426
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:54,600
I don't know why they're so focused on like the

2427
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:57,079
East Star, and maybe that's a story that will become

2428
01:50:57,079 --> 01:50:59,000
more interesting as we go along, but so far, I'm

2429
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:02,119
not impressed because you already covered Travis, like he's like,

2430
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:05,479
did I waste the blood on you? Like my accolytes

2431
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:07,119
can't even take down this easter?

2432
01:51:07,279 --> 01:51:09,159
Speaker 5: What are you gonna do? Like we already said, like.

2433
01:51:09,079 --> 01:51:12,840
Speaker 4: Well, well kill the halflings brilliant.

2434
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,159
Speaker 5: It's just they're all fucking idiots.

2435
01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:18,880
Speaker 4: So I'm just excited for them to get out of

2436
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:21,560
the desert and go find Tom Bombadela.

2437
01:51:21,560 --> 01:51:22,520
Speaker 5: I want Bomba in there.

2438
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 1: Oh, I was gonna say, I think we're in the

2439
01:51:23,800 --> 01:51:25,920
desert at least for like half the season two, so

2440
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:28,159
I think we're there for a little bit more. Yeah,

2441
01:51:28,199 --> 01:51:31,520
I forgot about Tom bomb I can't wait. Fuck you he's.

2442
01:51:33,079 --> 01:51:34,319
Speaker 3: Oh God, I forgot about that.

2443
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:37,960
Speaker 1: Ye wait, but Rory here the guy about that he's

2444
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:40,000
played by the guy for Mendol and the guy that

2445
01:51:40,079 --> 01:51:44,199
plays all the men and men. Oh fuck yeah.

2446
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 4: It's interesting to see where he does come in though,

2447
01:51:47,039 --> 01:51:49,600
if he comes in with calor Brimbore, Like, oh, I

2448
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:52,039
guess here you're making some rings or at the.

2449
01:51:52,079 --> 01:51:54,159
Speaker 3: Fud I forgot. I so forgot that was a part

2450
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:56,279
of the show. Oh no, I'm worried for that time.

2451
01:51:56,319 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 4: Tom.

2452
01:51:58,119 --> 01:51:59,520
Speaker 2: Where do you think we'd see him?

2453
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:02,600
Speaker 3: Like, I have no idea. That's that's what I.

2454
01:52:02,319 --> 01:52:07,399
Speaker 1: Could be more wooded area in my opinion, I I

2455
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:09,760
I guess, but I just been like because Ganof's on

2456
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:11,479
the woods right now, So I mean like when Gandalf

2457
01:52:11,479 --> 01:52:13,479
and them get to some woods, that's when Tom's gonna

2458
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:13,960
pop up.

2459
01:52:14,119 --> 01:52:17,039
Speaker 4: We've seen like the Black Forest or the the Orcs

2460
01:52:17,079 --> 01:52:19,840
are and Ardas. Maybe he's hiding around.

2461
01:52:19,640 --> 01:52:21,520
Speaker 1: That for us, no one survives in there.

2462
01:52:24,079 --> 01:52:26,720
Speaker 3: What's my beef with it? Travis, I just don't trust

2463
01:52:26,720 --> 01:52:29,039
the show to do a good right character at all,

2464
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:34,079
because like the character Tom Bombadil, it's like it's like

2465
01:52:34,119 --> 01:52:37,000
a like a legend amongst the Tolkien universe, not even

2466
01:52:37,039 --> 01:52:38,520
just the Lord of the Ring story, because like the

2467
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:41,920
character was literally just made. I think from like Tolkien

2468
01:52:41,960 --> 01:52:44,000
and his brother just had this idea for a character

2469
01:52:44,079 --> 01:52:47,560
like throwing this universe. That's just it's like a character

2470
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:50,680
out of time that just is is there that no

2471
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,159
one really has explanations for. Like there's just so many

2472
01:52:53,239 --> 01:52:55,760
theories out there on really what the origin this character is,

2473
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:58,000
and the answer is just like there is no answer.

2474
01:52:58,079 --> 01:53:01,600
It's just like more or less an easter egg type

2475
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:04,600
character that like Tolkien had, And I don't know people

2476
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:09,399
like people might have different theory like views than me

2477
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:12,800
on this character, and I think they're all correct because

2478
01:53:12,840 --> 01:53:15,520
it's just like a mystery of a character. And I

2479
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:17,880
just don't want him to be like a plot device,

2480
01:53:18,039 --> 01:53:20,520
like a not a plot device, but just a character

2481
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:24,960
that pushes a plot for our story. Because he in

2482
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:26,840
the Fellowship of the Ring. They make a big point

2483
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:30,039
of emphasis in the l Ron Council that like, why

2484
01:53:30,039 --> 01:53:32,239
don't we just give the Ring to Tom Bombadilt, But

2485
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:34,800
it's like you can't do that because he just does

2486
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:36,760
not care about any of these main events that would

2487
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:38,279
be going on. He would lose the ring, he would

2488
01:53:38,319 --> 01:53:42,399
just he is son. He's so disinterested in everything that's

2489
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:43,720
going in this world. So why do we have to

2490
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:45,079
have He's like, show what is he going to do

2491
01:53:45,119 --> 01:53:46,960
in the show to like push it forward?

2492
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:50,399
Speaker 1: But because he could just be interesting character. I feel

2493
01:53:50,399 --> 01:53:52,000
like the way you're described And not that I've ever

2494
01:53:52,039 --> 01:53:54,199
thought about this, but he sounds almost like Doctor Manhattan

2495
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:56,399
and Watchman where he's the most powerful being but he's

2496
01:53:56,439 --> 01:53:59,520
just there right, like he doesn't care about everybody, but

2497
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:00,560
he does about them.

2498
01:54:00,600 --> 01:54:02,279
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe I just don't know much about Watchmen,

2499
01:54:02,279 --> 01:54:04,359
but I feel like he does stuff though, like in

2500
01:54:04,399 --> 01:54:07,840
the plot, no talk about does us of himself have sex?

2501
01:54:08,079 --> 01:54:12,119
Speaker 1: Well okay, but just that general sense of when they

2502
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:14,199
tell him like there could be a bomb and he's like, well,

2503
01:54:14,239 --> 01:54:17,319
there's nothing different, like the matter between a living body

2504
01:54:17,359 --> 01:54:19,880
and a dead body. They're the exact same, Like he says,

2505
01:54:19,880 --> 01:54:21,840
ship like that where you're like, man, like we're at war,

2506
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:23,800
like you're supposed to care about this, And yeah, that's

2507
01:54:23,800 --> 01:54:26,119
the way Tom is. And Hey shout out to people

2508
01:54:26,119 --> 01:54:28,319
at play to bat Mill Earth two. Because he was

2509
01:54:28,359 --> 01:54:30,720
an OPI character when you could unlock him and he

2510
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:32,960
was in battle, Yeah, you can use him as like

2511
01:54:33,359 --> 01:54:35,359
he wasn't a character because you could you start off

2512
01:54:35,399 --> 01:54:38,000
with like your lack. He's right like man archers everything,

2513
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,000
and then you can buy like your heroes. But then

2514
01:54:40,039 --> 01:54:42,680
there's like power ups and he would come up and

2515
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:46,560
he would just like he would do like what skips

2516
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:48,520
and he had like magic around him and yeah, I

2517
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,720
think he could do ship like fuck people up while

2518
01:54:50,760 --> 01:54:52,359
healing you and stuff. But yeah, he was like a

2519
01:54:52,359 --> 01:54:54,520
little He had like a time like he'll be there

2520
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:56,520
for like a minute and a half then go away. Oh,

2521
01:54:56,640 --> 01:54:58,760
I guess said next stream, we need to put bus

2522
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:00,920
out of three sixty. We need to bust out the

2523
01:55:00,920 --> 01:55:03,600
Ala Miller to get in there. And that's where it started.

2524
01:55:03,600 --> 01:55:05,439
My love. I was like, who's this Tom Bombado guy?

2525
01:55:05,479 --> 01:55:07,319
And then it's like okay, the rest the rest is

2526
01:55:07,399 --> 01:55:08,319
history and that makes it time.

2527
01:55:09,319 --> 01:55:13,520
Speaker 3: Who does in the game, Tom Bombado? Tom, you better

2528
01:55:13,600 --> 01:55:17,800
be doing some crazy songs in the show. I hope

2529
01:55:17,800 --> 01:55:20,439
I at least enjoy the performance. I just am really

2530
01:55:20,439 --> 01:55:22,800
worried that it's gonna be like he's riding in on

2531
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:26,159
the fucking eagle and he's choosing Farison as the ruler

2532
01:55:26,159 --> 01:55:28,600
of neumanor like like sho, no.

2533
01:55:30,760 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 1: I don't care about.

2534
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:38,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see what happens. See what happens.

2535
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:39,399
Speaker 2: I guess the Dwarves.

2536
01:55:39,880 --> 01:55:40,359
Speaker 5: Dwarves.

2537
01:55:40,439 --> 01:55:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got nothing mad, nothing else on the Father.

2538
01:55:46,279 --> 01:55:48,039
Speaker 1: It's not bad, but I'm just yeah, I'm already over

2539
01:55:48,079 --> 01:55:50,279
the fault we had it last season. We're still going.

2540
01:55:50,479 --> 01:55:54,319
It's gonna keep going. I just I I like the drawers,

2541
01:55:54,319 --> 01:55:57,119
but I don't know if I care. I like the

2542
01:55:57,239 --> 01:55:59,880
Dwarves in a group. I don't know if I they're

2543
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:02,199
the lowest on tote pole for me as far as

2544
01:56:02,199 --> 01:56:02,960
the people.

2545
01:56:03,079 --> 01:56:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have them quite a bit higher on my

2546
01:56:06,039 --> 01:56:08,359
ranking list if I had to do that right now.

2547
01:56:08,479 --> 01:56:12,000
I I feel like, because it's just been so long

2548
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:13,640
since I've seen season one, I just kind of forgot

2549
01:56:13,640 --> 01:56:16,640
how much I love like these characters and just just

2550
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:20,800
even like Duran interacting with oh my gosh, what was

2551
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:25,479
her name? Desi Diza Diza like that sequence, or the

2552
01:56:25,479 --> 01:56:28,359
two Duras interacting or the other durn.

2553
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 1: Which are both Yeah, well all these called one senior

2554
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:34,239
one junior.

2555
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:42,039
Speaker 3: Yeah sure so senior junior junior, like I I I think,

2556
01:56:42,079 --> 01:56:45,560
I just yeah, I love seeing cause I do. I

2557
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:47,560
just love the throne rooms. I love seeing like the

2558
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:50,760
guards in their garb. I just getting more like highlights

2559
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:53,640
on the Dwarf in realms is great to see because

2560
01:56:53,680 --> 01:56:58,319
it's it's really lacking in my experience of seeing the

2561
01:56:58,319 --> 01:57:02,079
films because I have not seen the Hobbits, but I

2562
01:57:02,239 --> 01:57:04,760
don't know. It's it's just as as a fan of

2563
01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:08,000
like the way Dwarves are in like high fantasy, Like

2564
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:10,199
it's just kind of cool to see these realms and

2565
01:57:10,279 --> 01:57:13,960
so all of that I am enjoying. And I really

2566
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,720
just like Desis as a character or Diza. You already

2567
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:21,039
messed up her name. I just she's fantastic, Like she

2568
01:57:21,039 --> 01:57:24,239
she is so good on on She's my favorite Dwarf

2569
01:57:24,279 --> 01:57:25,600
right now, so thin.

2570
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:29,239
Speaker 2: She's taking center stage for the Dwarves like this season,

2571
01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:32,039
which is cool because she was definitely, you know, number

2572
01:57:32,039 --> 01:57:36,159
two or three behind Duran Junior in the first.

2573
01:57:36,039 --> 01:57:36,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

2574
01:57:37,279 --> 01:57:39,920
Speaker 4: I almost thought that she's getting killed in that one

2575
01:57:39,960 --> 01:57:42,159
episode when the earth quake happened, I thought, oh, we're

2576
01:57:42,199 --> 01:57:44,720
getting Duran's bane. This's fucking going down.

2577
01:57:44,760 --> 01:57:50,119
Speaker 3: She gets poppied, she gets hard footed, right Elson's Hurricane

2578
01:57:50,239 --> 01:57:51,439
fighting Duran's Bane in.

2579
01:57:51,359 --> 01:57:57,680
Speaker 2: The I know I'm with I'm with Kirkling here. I

2580
01:57:57,680 --> 01:57:59,920
really enjoyed all. Well, I'm not gonna say all the

2581
01:58:00,199 --> 01:58:03,760
and stuff. I think that the father's son dynamic there

2582
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:06,880
was just maybe a bit like dragging my heels to

2583
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:10,119
get through some of it. I think there's some decent

2584
01:58:10,159 --> 01:58:12,079
moments in there, but all overall just like maybe took

2585
01:58:12,119 --> 01:58:14,520
a bit too longer than it needed to. But what

2586
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:17,399
I really like is just kind of the lore, the

2587
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:19,439
world building part of it, because a lot of it

2588
01:58:19,479 --> 01:58:22,039
did feel almost like Slice of Life, or it has

2589
01:58:22,039 --> 01:58:24,399
felt like that like that so far, where there is

2590
01:58:24,439 --> 01:58:29,079
this plot where Duran is going to Amering Gion making

2591
01:58:29,079 --> 01:58:32,039
a deal with Calibri Board to trade and mythrill for rinks,

2592
01:58:32,039 --> 01:58:34,319
so like that, that's a plot that connects with everything

2593
01:58:34,319 --> 01:58:35,960
else that makes sense. But then for the most part,

2594
01:58:35,960 --> 01:58:38,680
it's just like, Okay, they're dealing with their cave collapsing,

2595
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:42,359
they're losing access to their light, which I really loved

2596
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:45,920
seeing some of that shot, like following those the series

2597
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:47,720
of mirrors through there to see how they get the

2598
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:50,119
lighting on their different crops and even just like the

2599
01:58:50,159 --> 01:58:52,279
different points of the city and what it's like when

2600
01:58:52,279 --> 01:58:54,239
they lose that and they don't have that light aningmore

2601
01:58:54,239 --> 01:58:55,920
and they can't grow their crops. They're gonna have to

2602
01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:59,039
go into the reserves. Like all that stuff is really

2603
01:58:59,079 --> 01:59:01,560
interesting to me, And I kind of forget if like

2604
01:59:01,600 --> 01:59:05,279
the Stone Singer stuff like with Deza and these other

2605
01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:08,119
women was part of Like I don't remember that being

2606
01:59:08,159 --> 01:59:11,279
a thing in season one. Maybe it was mentioned in Passing,

2607
01:59:11,640 --> 01:59:13,520
but I really like that as a lore thing. I

2608
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:17,159
think that's really interesting that like through their like really

2609
01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:20,439
strong voices and like what is naturally a place that

2610
01:59:20,640 --> 01:59:22,520
is gonna echo a lot, Like they can use that

2611
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:26,119
to try and find new ways through these caves or

2612
01:59:26,159 --> 01:59:27,960
like I guess they can like find it through walls

2613
01:59:28,000 --> 01:59:30,000
and stuff. Like it's almost like a magical power in

2614
01:59:30,039 --> 01:59:32,600
a sense that they can use to navigate through here,

2615
01:59:32,600 --> 01:59:35,039
and that's how they determine that, like Okay, we could

2616
01:59:35,079 --> 01:59:36,880
blow some holes through there, but then we feel like

2617
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:38,560
the whole thing would crumble down. And I just think

2618
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:41,279
seeing that kind of that dwarf and engineering at work

2619
01:59:41,319 --> 01:59:45,239
there through these little conversations. I really liked all that stuff.

2620
01:59:45,279 --> 01:59:47,520
And I just once again, the visuals of kuse of

2621
01:59:47,560 --> 01:59:50,560
Doom is so fucking awesome all the time, and even

2622
01:59:50,600 --> 01:59:52,800
just getting like that little sequence of the one of

2623
01:59:52,800 --> 01:59:55,399
the assisting guys, I don't know his name when he's

2624
01:59:55,439 --> 01:59:57,239
walking through and in the background, you're just seeing other

2625
01:59:57,279 --> 02:00:00,680
Dwarves who are like peddling their wares or tray or

2626
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:03,000
like I presume they're all kind of like, Okay, we're

2627
02:00:03,039 --> 02:00:05,399
running low on resources here where we know we're going to,

2628
02:00:05,479 --> 02:00:07,840
so they're trying to maybe barter for stuff that they

2629
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:10,000
have a lot of. I just I really liked all

2630
02:00:10,039 --> 02:00:11,520
of that, and it's just a place I like to

2631
02:00:11,560 --> 02:00:15,319
hang out and exist. So yeah, I really really enjoyed

2632
02:00:15,319 --> 02:00:17,680
that whole Dwarven sequence that we got through the different

2633
02:00:17,680 --> 02:00:18,319
episodes here.

2634
02:00:22,479 --> 02:00:25,000
Speaker 5: Do you have any thoughts on Drawers or No? No,

2635
02:00:25,199 --> 02:00:27,319
I'm dwarfed out.

2636
02:00:29,479 --> 02:00:32,800
Speaker 1: Second season and Rings of Power, I'm dwarfed out. Guys.

2637
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:34,800
Are you Are you like me where it's like you

2638
02:00:34,880 --> 02:00:36,800
like the Dwarves and you just don't need as much

2639
02:00:36,840 --> 02:00:39,800
as this stuff, or are you just draw I.

2640
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:41,279
Speaker 4: Like them, but I'm kind of with you, Like I

2641
02:00:41,279 --> 02:00:43,680
feel like the dynamics that we've seen so far with

2642
02:00:43,720 --> 02:00:45,840
them has just been the same from season one. I

2643
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:49,479
wish that we got to expand more on them dealing

2644
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:51,319
with Calibrimbore.

2645
02:00:51,439 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I just think that's what we're getting

2646
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:54,039
to at least, like yes.

2647
02:00:53,880 --> 02:00:55,800
Speaker 4: And I'm excited for that. That's what I really want

2648
02:00:55,840 --> 02:00:58,479
to explore more. And that relationships also seeing like King

2649
02:00:58,600 --> 02:01:01,199
Duran like out and about that's fucking huge and I

2650
02:01:01,239 --> 02:01:03,239
wish that they emphasized that a little bit more. I mean,

2651
02:01:03,279 --> 02:01:05,640
he's bringing the mea thrill to them. But it was

2652
02:01:05,680 --> 02:01:07,800
such a quick cut scene. We got more of them

2653
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:12,079
singing in the caverns and the earthquakes and then like

2654
02:01:12,079 --> 02:01:14,840
like angry you like I'm not my son should apologize

2655
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:15,680
to me and stuff like that.

2656
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:18,159
Speaker 1: It's like, well we have well with his hands there

2657
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:22,560
was what was Duran doing while he's had in this.

2658
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:24,000
Speaker 5: Commerce listers on their hands?

2659
02:01:24,079 --> 02:01:24,239
Speaker 2: Right?

2660
02:01:25,479 --> 02:01:29,800
Speaker 1: Which moving forward Palace House. Yeah, And that's why even

2661
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:31,119
when I said, like I don't have much to add

2662
02:01:31,119 --> 02:01:32,880
on it, that's why I'm still wouldn't cut it though,

2663
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:34,920
because I think all the drawers and the characters will

2664
02:01:35,000 --> 02:01:37,840
lead to hopefully good things and good interactions. Like it's

2665
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:40,680
already fun seeing them interact with sarro on calibrin Borne

2666
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:42,720
stuff where that's where like with add Art, it's like

2667
02:01:42,840 --> 02:01:44,520
I don't need him anymore, right, we can move on.

2668
02:01:44,640 --> 02:01:46,520
Even the stil word's like I don't really need him anymore.

2669
02:01:46,520 --> 02:01:48,600
But with the drawers like cold. I know I'm saying,

2670
02:01:48,600 --> 02:01:51,359
there's Kirkland and Dylan, Like I love seeing that stuff.

2671
02:01:51,399 --> 02:01:53,119
But it's like I feel like I got my fill

2672
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:55,039
of cause of Doom and season one, so like I

2673
02:01:55,079 --> 02:01:57,159
don't need and I really just don't need any more

2674
02:01:57,159 --> 02:01:59,399
scenes of him his wife pickering anymore. Like it's just

2675
02:01:59,439 --> 02:02:01,960
like some people I get might like it. I just like,

2676
02:02:02,439 --> 02:02:04,359
it's just all I did in season one. So here

2677
02:02:04,359 --> 02:02:08,720
we are again the kids. We didn't season one.

2678
02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:10,479
Speaker 4: Queens, did we see him in the first season?

2679
02:02:10,479 --> 02:02:12,520
Speaker 1: We didn't season one? They meet out Ron, Yeah, they

2680
02:02:12,520 --> 02:02:14,800
meet out Ron and stuff, which that that was fun

2681
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:17,239
when he likes An's like, oh he spoke so high

2682
02:02:17,319 --> 02:02:20,399
live and Duran's like he said nothing to you. And

2683
02:02:20,479 --> 02:02:23,039
then when they walk out, he's like he's lying. He's like,

2684
02:02:23,039 --> 02:02:24,960
what do you mean he's lying? And he's like, Aaron

2685
02:02:25,000 --> 02:02:27,199
wouldn't say a single thing like that about me, like

2686
02:02:27,359 --> 02:02:29,800
as far as a compliment everything. So again, I like

2687
02:02:30,119 --> 02:02:33,279
that dynamic and I'm excited to see Aeron back with

2688
02:02:33,359 --> 02:02:36,039
during at some point because they that's probably the best stuff.

2689
02:02:36,039 --> 02:02:38,000
And even I will say the guy's playing l Ron.

2690
02:02:38,039 --> 02:02:41,079
I'm liking him more this season than last season. I

2691
02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:44,640
still think sometimes they make him a little too just

2692
02:02:44,640 --> 02:02:46,680
just react like he just he does a lot of

2693
02:02:46,720 --> 02:02:49,720
reacting and a lot of like smiling or a sad face.

2694
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:52,239
But I remember being a little harder on in season one.

2695
02:02:52,279 --> 02:02:54,680
So far, I'm liking him a bit more. Maybe because

2696
02:02:54,680 --> 02:02:56,600
I've give him some urgencies. He's like the only elf

2697
02:02:56,600 --> 02:03:00,520
that wants to fucking do something, So maybe that's why I.

2698
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:03,479
Speaker 4: Just realized the big con I have that It was

2699
02:03:03,560 --> 02:03:07,560
when Sarahon was coming out of the fir and flames.

2700
02:03:07,199 --> 02:03:09,319
Speaker 3: There of the forge and he.

2701
02:03:09,279 --> 02:03:11,279
Speaker 4: Looks like color Brimbor and he says, you could be

2702
02:03:11,399 --> 02:03:13,560
the Lord of the Rings. I was like, Fuck, that's

2703
02:03:13,720 --> 02:03:15,000
way too on the nose.

2704
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:18,000
Speaker 3: That's not great.

2705
02:03:18,279 --> 02:03:22,720
Speaker 1: I think, don't they do They not drop that line

2706
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:25,680
in the actual Leatherings trilogy though in the book.

2707
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:29,640
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's like that.

2708
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:33,119
Speaker 4: Sarahmon says or No Gandal says, there's only one Lord

2709
02:03:33,159 --> 02:03:38,119
of the Ring, which fits, but he does not share.

2710
02:03:38,479 --> 02:03:41,119
Speaker 1: Well, technically he would if this all worked out, he

2711
02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:42,479
would be the Lord of the Rings. I'm not saying

2712
02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:44,640
you have to like the line. I'm just saying, like it.

2713
02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:45,960
It could track, you know, like it.

2714
02:03:46,359 --> 02:03:49,319
Speaker 2: Speaks to a man's ego right there. It sure does.

2715
02:03:49,880 --> 02:03:52,720
Speaker 3: It's like, oh yeah, I like that Lord of the Rings.

2716
02:03:54,119 --> 02:04:01,960
Speaker 1: Anything else but half an hour cowfun. I'm just like

2717
02:04:02,159 --> 02:04:06,840
drinking his wine, like yes, anything we haven't let me

2718
02:04:06,840 --> 02:04:08,439
look through it notes anything touch by.

2719
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, my last thing. It's not even there's no discussion

2720
02:04:10,880 --> 02:04:12,560
we had, but just a lot of Mount Dew, a

2721
02:04:12,600 --> 02:04:14,920
lot of volcano action going on in it. I mean

2722
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:18,680
quick shots, but we're bubbling up to something, that's for sure.

2723
02:04:19,439 --> 02:04:21,960
Speaker 3: I love the shots of just it in the background

2724
02:04:22,039 --> 02:04:25,319
and like in the distance of just as you said,

2725
02:04:25,319 --> 02:04:27,359
something's bubbling, something nefarious is.

2726
02:04:27,319 --> 02:04:31,640
Speaker 1: Smoking see them lies and even the.

2727
02:04:33,479 --> 02:04:35,760
Speaker 2: Parts were like the laugh of a kind of crust

2728
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:39,000
over and it almost looks like an eye the eye. Yeah,

2729
02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:40,680
I like all the imagery that we got.

2730
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:48,920
Speaker 1: That they've said. Episode three. I was in shock when

2731
02:04:48,960 --> 02:04:51,359
the Cleat and the Queen region just took that slap

2732
02:04:51,399 --> 02:04:55,720
from like a random some vilion or like, oh yeah,

2733
02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:57,800
I get what they're trying to do. That seems like

2734
02:04:57,880 --> 02:04:59,800
I sey paint too, and they hug they both lost it,

2735
02:05:00,279 --> 02:05:01,920
But I was like, I don't know that would fly.

2736
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:05,960
I think that one would be executed at least the hand.

2737
02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:08,119
But yeah, walk right up. How could help you? Yeah,

2738
02:05:08,119 --> 02:05:11,920
I can't help me, Just like you left the open

2739
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:14,079
palm slapped for I was like, whoa, what a way

2740
02:05:14,119 --> 02:05:17,119
to go? And yeah, well see I couldn't. I didn't

2741
02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:21,279
get that far into it. Were they hiding the fact

2742
02:05:21,319 --> 02:05:24,600
that she was blind? Right and I remember that wrong?

2743
02:05:24,680 --> 02:05:27,279
Or did the public know that she was blind?

2744
02:05:27,319 --> 02:05:28,680
Speaker 5: I don't know if the public knows.

2745
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:30,960
Speaker 3: I thought I thought it was a secret if I remember.

2746
02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:34,359
Speaker 1: I just feel like with what we saw, they ain't

2747
02:05:34,399 --> 02:05:37,079
doing a good job. They're letting her walk backwards. They're

2748
02:05:37,159 --> 02:05:38,800
letting her like look at people that are like it's

2749
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:40,880
just I feel like maybe they did catch on this

2750
02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:43,520
episode because with the you know, the new Eagle King

2751
02:05:43,640 --> 02:05:46,119
was like she's full of lies. But I don't know.

2752
02:05:46,199 --> 02:05:47,760
I just feel like they're not doing a good job

2753
02:05:47,800 --> 02:05:52,800
of keeping that secret. But you know, who knows. That's

2754
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:54,600
all my notes. So it was just a slap took me.

2755
02:05:54,680 --> 02:05:56,039
I was very surprised.

2756
02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:59,840
Speaker 4: I remembered one more line from Sarah and when he

2757
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:01,399
about to be free with you.

2758
02:06:01,600 --> 02:06:04,119
Speaker 1: Yeah go back. Yeah, I didn't get it. We had

2759
02:06:04,159 --> 02:06:05,560
a whole hour on sore on.

2760
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:08,720
Speaker 4: You know, I just didn't get it out when Adar

2761
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:10,960
is like, oh, you know, pledge your allegiance to me

2762
02:06:11,560 --> 02:06:13,840
and Sarah and he's on the ground and he's you know,

2763
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:16,640
he's that sneaky little dog. He's like, I pledge my

2764
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:20,159
allegiance to the Lord of Mordor.

2765
02:06:20,359 --> 02:06:22,319
Speaker 5: Truly, I'll use slice son of a gun.

2766
02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:26,520
Speaker 1: And then there's a cut. Yeah, there's a cut scene

2767
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:28,720
of Ada I just like, say my name, I need

2768
02:06:28,760 --> 02:06:30,760
my name, and like, all right, I'll say it, you know.

2769
02:06:30,920 --> 02:06:36,199
But for the show, he didn't anything else any more

2770
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:37,159
notes there.

2771
02:06:37,560 --> 02:06:40,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, give me another ten minutes.

2772
02:06:40,159 --> 02:06:40,800
Speaker 3: I could find one.

2773
02:06:41,319 --> 02:06:46,800
Speaker 1: Sure, let's circle back to the tornado. Yeah, yeah, so

2774
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:48,920
that's pretty much it. I don't think in the future,

2775
02:06:49,039 --> 02:06:51,279
other than the finale, these reviews will be this long.

2776
02:06:51,359 --> 02:06:53,760
We had a lot to cover three episodes three and

2777
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:57,359
a half hours, so a combination of us will be

2778
02:06:57,439 --> 02:06:59,279
here weekly for the next two weeks. What do you have,

2779
02:06:59,399 --> 02:06:59,920
dam what.

2780
02:07:00,680 --> 02:07:02,399
Speaker 3: A lot of character death to this episode?

2781
02:07:02,920 --> 02:07:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, tons of characters. So but yeah, there'll be a

2782
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:10,960
combination of us here every week to cover this and yeah,

2783
02:07:11,039 --> 02:07:13,399
let us know if we have a whole discord channel

2784
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:16,920
Dedicord Dedicord dedicated to this show. Now, So you go

2785
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:19,560
over there, drop your thoughts, YouTube, Facebook, to wherever you

2786
02:07:19,560 --> 02:07:22,239
want to. You always send a question to or correction

2787
02:07:22,319 --> 02:07:23,840
if the Hey, you guys miss this because of this?

2788
02:07:24,039 --> 02:07:25,760
Or hey, what do you think about this? What do

2789
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:26,840
you got over there? Chuckles.

2790
02:07:27,600 --> 02:07:30,760
Speaker 3: I'm just laughing at your uh, your lament to get

2791
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:32,840
uh what the fuck is it called? Lament to Gollum?

2792
02:07:33,600 --> 02:07:35,920
Speaker 1: I see the line and.

2793
02:07:39,199 --> 02:07:40,039
Speaker 3: Great way to end.

2794
02:07:41,560 --> 02:07:45,600
Speaker 1: You're going to van that's gonna because it's such a

2795
02:07:45,600 --> 02:07:49,479
weird fucking song. It's two towers. It's a minute of

2796
02:07:49,800 --> 02:07:53,399
just like great music. And then I see them live

2797
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:56,600
and it's just like who who did come in? Like

2798
02:07:57,199 --> 02:08:00,479
it's a very unique voice. It's just like it's it's

2799
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:03,439
quite a choice. It's quite a choice. But yeah, hopefully

2800
02:08:03,479 --> 02:08:05,760
maybe in the penultimate episode of this show they get

2801
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:08,039
her back and she gets another diddy out there.

2802
02:08:08,159 --> 02:08:09,840
Speaker 3: You know, it'll be the bump.

2803
02:08:10,880 --> 02:08:16,239
Speaker 1: That's wo scenes he sings it. It's where he speaks

2804
02:08:16,239 --> 02:08:19,319
in song. I say it. I'm all right, let's end this.

2805
02:08:19,680 --> 02:08:22,000
It's late lady, and thank you very much for tuning in.

2806
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:25,359
We'll be back next week and we Promise you it

2807
02:08:25,399 --> 02:08:26,279
will not be boring.