Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to Middle Earth.
I am the clown Prince of wed Ryan trous Snaw,
and I'm joined by I'm the Big Wien Kirk Patzer.
Speaker 2: I am the Eater Dragon Bones.
Speaker 3: Hey, good guys on Titterfield.
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Speaker 3: I just got no, I'm just I keep thinking about
that clip and it's so good.
Speaker 1: Oh God, you're showed me. Yeah, bastards. Everyone got not everyone,
but no Batman screening here. I was so bummed about it.
But we did get screening of Rings of Power season
two episodes one to three. If you're interested, we did
review every single episodes, so if you want to do
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maybe going to finale because we kind of give our
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of the Rings related, we've done a bevy of content
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We reviewed every animated film we have reviewed. There was
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Sidequest episode, So there is a pluthora of stuff, and
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gall movie comes out, we'll be here because we're we're
Middle Earth boys. You know this shirt a couple of
years ago. I'm wearing it right now. We had Geek
First actually exclusive, like, I feel like this is one
things we bond over. So it's a good thing that
Middle Earth is back or is it, And that's what
we're gonna get into. Staya, I'm gonna sit back and
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It made grape. So yeah, people thought I was busting
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Rings Rings of Power season two premiere. No, you're mistaken.
It's just uh, just some good minute may great, but
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Apparently before you talk, you would be. It's gonna be
a good cast. Boys can't play Outlaws after But I'm
gonna start with mister Field, what do you think of
give a brief overall your elevator pitch to people if
they weren't with us for season one, your thoughts on
season one or what you can't remember, and then go
into your nonspoys for episodes one to three for this season.
And if you've not seen it, of course we'll give
you a warning before we get into spoil. So Taylor
that the floor is yours.
Speaker 4: I am very thankful for the recaps, because fuck if
I could remember much of season one going on.
Speaker 5: There's a lot going on. A lot of stories, a
lot of slow.
Speaker 4: Dynamics that I when I revisiting in the recap thought, Okay,
yeah that happened.
Speaker 5: That happened, check check check. But it got us to
where we are now.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: There are definitely some things that were introduced into that
first season that I like, a lot of characters and
a lot of dynamics that were a lot of fun
to explore, and just this part of Middle Earth back
on this this day and getting to see where these
stories have kind of picked up and continued. I I'm
enjoying it. I I there were a few things that
I do have problems with, like you you'd meet Travis
were talking earlier about like a couple of.
Speaker 1: You messaged me, I have your number of blocks. I
don't know what those said, but.
Speaker 2: He doesn't care to discuss with us. Kirkland, but so
good to know.
Speaker 1: I knew Taylor was watching it at midnight right I did.
Speaker 2: I had a big conflicting reports over here. I don't
know what's going on.
Speaker 1: I had a big plane that I had to go
into Taynor because I knew he had seen at least episode.
Speaker 6: One, like I don't know episode one, yeah, but there
is a yeah, there's just there's there some things going
on in this that I like, and yes, some other things.
Speaker 4: That are just their highlighting. It's like, oh, that's kind
of questionable. It doesn't add up, and I have one
kind of I don't know how I would say it.
I guess maybe it's like a maybe two problems with
the story. Maybe I will defer to you guys on
answering those two issues I have, because I feel like
it's kind.
Speaker 5: Of muffled a little bit because.
Speaker 2: I don't get ready to get blasted with some lower questions.
Speaker 1: You get one thing wrong, one star review coming. I
don't know anything about Middle Earth like the similarium.
Speaker 4: Well that's just that my knowledge of Middle Earth is
pretty uh limited. But I was trying to dish it
out to masks and be like, oh, you know, we
got the star, we got the val all that. I'm
just trying to name off all these terms, like I know,
I know Eastar and Valor that stuff, but newman Or.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think she already it's been weeks.
Speaker 1: The uh I'm still those are not himself.
Speaker 4: There were there were there were some pretty hype moments
though in these first three episodes. And this isn't a spoiler,
but just like revisiting locations and the score clicks in
and it drops like the title of like where We're at,
it's like, oh, this is cool. I'm getting and getting
super pumped about this. But uh, yeah, I feel like
these first episodes because kind of like trickled in a
couple of familiar things from Lord of the Rings that
we we like maybe I just like, I won't speak
for you guys, it was just cool to kind of
see these familiarities and it didn't feel like it was
a sell out or anything that was like a like
a cash grab or anything playing on the heart strings
too much. But just like all these things fit with
the story that they're trying to tell.
Speaker 3: Fit with the world building.
Speaker 4: But I'm excited to get into the spoilers because of
certain problems devote not not the was I have that
are kind of convoluted with the overall plot of the story,
but just just certain things and decision making and whatnot.
And yeah, I tried to avoid being online and seeing
what people are saying about the episode because I've seen.
Speaker 3: I saw a brief.
Speaker 1: One going around which I'm on board with the like,
I think I think we went a little too far
on this aspect here.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but I passed my torch to someone else.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, let's take mister Musk, mister must.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think for me going into this, like, I was
not excited for this season. I liked the first season enough,
I didn't love it. It wasn't as magical to me.
I think what I remember the most is just like
the amazing visuals, and there were some storylines that I
really really loved and other ones that were more mid on.
And I think the biggest issue I had with the
first season was just sore on in general, even though
a lot of it wasn't really revealed until kind of
the end, and even then we saw to do some
guesswork there. And even like going into this, I think
every newscast where a trailer would have come up for this,
I think I was just not on that week, so
I don't. I hadn't seen any trailers for this going
into it, and then I was even thinking about starting
season one versus two. Obviously season one there was a
new thing we didn't know what to expect at the time.
We had some trailers, but it was like a kind
of a new realm for Lord of the Rings, So
there's kind of a question mark there. But then also
when I went to the for the first season, they
had like that limited screening had a movie theater, so
I went and saw the first two episodes in a
theater versus this season. I started like watching here on
my computer monitor in my office, and then when Mudds
was gone, I went and watched it on the TV
out there. So it just it felt a lot less
grand and enticing than the than the first season, at
least to get started here. Is this another eight episode season.
Speaker 1: As well, I believe, so yeah, so yeah, like we're.
Speaker 2: Already almost halfway through after the first week. I think
the doing the first three episodes was a good idea
because I feel like this was very very slow start
for me, or there's like a lot of the episodes
going in there, there's like a little mini plots and
then they all kind of like get resolved and then
there obviously, of course there's still a lot of overarching things,
but I just felt like we were kind of setting
up some tension, but then the things that just got
resolved in like very unsatisfactory ways. So overall, I'm not
really enjoying this a lot so far. There are I
can't even say there's a couple storylines that I'm enjoying
yet because I haven't gotten to that point, which is
too bad because right off the top of the first
season there was things I was already pretty intrigued by.
But I just feel like there's been a lot of
like I don't know, patting it feels like in this
season so far. So hopefully it goes a different direction.
And yeah, I definitely have some questions because there's once
again my man sore on here is just there's some
things that I either just don't understand or it's just
not working for me. So I definitely need to pick
your guys' brains on some of that stuff. But yeah,
unfortunately I don't really have a ton of positives yet,
which is crazy after because the first episode was pretty long,
so like three and a half hours of content, I
think ish, So yeah, I don't know. I'm hoping that
it picks up, but I'm.
Speaker 1: To be clear, the first episode is not three and
a half hours. If people are listening on Spoils, it's
three and a half together.
Speaker 2: First episodes, like an hour and a half right in
another two.
Speaker 1: Hours he said like that. First I was like, oh man,
someone's like, that's a that's the whole fellowship.
Speaker 2: Maybe with the ad prom maybe it becomes that long.
But yeah, I don't know. I'm not not super hype
so far with I've been said, there is a couple
of things that seem kind of compelling as we get
down the line here, so hopefully it picks up for
me next week.
Speaker 1: Well, if you haven't noticed for you might be newer,
But if you're a long time listener, I think you've
probably noticed. I try to stick to a formula here
when I do the overalls and whatnot, right, usually at
least someone who like it's a big franchise to last.
That's why Kirkle is gonna go last, because we say
he's the token boy. And I tried, and I had
an inkling that Taylor is maybe more positive, so I
let him go first. And then I was letting Dylan
go first because I thought there's maybe first second first,
because maybe there's a chance he was also positive as well,
But then he wasn't, So then I unfortunately got to
come in here and be that same route where I
watched three and a half hours Middle Earth today. I
don't know, the percentage of my enjoyment was very small.
And this has coming from a guy who like I
think I gave Season one like a nine ad ten
or an eight point five at ten. Now I did
not get to finish the rewatch. It just was a
combination of I kind of forgot it was this week
Emily and the kids end up being a home a
lot more times. I just didn't feel like taking over
the tving bust and over Outlaws ended up we got
to play it a few days early. So that's where
it's like, okay, so just things didn't line up. So
I got about three episodes in, and I've told myself
that I might do. I said in the cast, you're
like a Matchetti order where watch something of this go back,
et cetera. But even that first season not perfect. But
I still even found the first three episodes like way
more enthralling. And of course it's tough because it's like
an origin, right, You're we know these characters, but you're
meeting in this new world, new time, new iterations of
the actors right, So now it's like, Okay, that's the
setup and now we're here and I just I don't have.
I'm with Dylan where I don't have. It's luckily it's
not like Acolyte. It's not anything where I'm like, man,
we've lost I matchic this really bad. I would never
I don't think i'd say this is a bad show.
I think there's some there are some choices that aren't great,
and maybe they could teeter into bad. But I can
never say it's a bad show. But it's also not
a show that's right now making me care about anything.
And the few things I did care or cause I
think me and Tayor are more positive on sorrow. And
at the end of season one, we're kind of like,
at least myself, I was like, the well, I think
they set it up in a way where okay, we
can go a certain path, let's do this. Like I
was optimistic. And I remember talking the discord with Mike
and he was talking about like, oh, we heard you
know some of you saying it's a lot like season one,
and I was like, well, that's fine with me, because
see I like season one, but now there is a
point where I go, especially for two and a half,
I guess an episode and a half there's stuff we're
going on sorrow on other characters where it's just like
do we there's huge paw lines Like an episode, I'm like,
I don't think we needed this at all. I don't
think this needs to be in the show. I don't
think we got anything from it. So I think there's
general just like the first season, it's slow, but it's
like in right Now, it's an uninteresting slow. It's not
like House of Drag and where I know there're in
evil times, but I'm just comparing that because that's sometimes
deemeds like, oh it's a slow show. But it's like
there's these characters that are having these conversations I'm just
enthralled with we're here. It's like, I don't know, these
people have an argument in the drawers, sing at the mountain,
and I just don't care, you know, Like I'm not
caring about any of these characters. And the characters I
were caring about, they did some things that I that's
why I had talked to her. I did not enjoy,
and now I don't really care about them, and it's
just it just sucks because I feel like this show
has been even more so, I cause I didn't think
this season one. I just feel like some things are
kind of dumbed down a little. I don't know why it,
it's just a vibe and I will give explanations when
we get there. Still visually looks good, except there's some
really bad bugs. Cg. At one point in the show
is you know, you know whatever, some wizard breaks open
a tree and these bugs came out. I was like,
what's going on here? Tod Amazon said, no bud budget.
But other than that, looks good, scores good. There's sometimes
they are in so close to Howard Short's score. I
was like, can one of my brothers sue these people,
because like there's some notes that are almost identical to
the Jackson movies, Like they're getting really quote notes. They
gotta be careful because that's not a token thing. That's
you know, Howard Shore and Warnbo's everything. So like I guesaid, pause,
and I don't think there's other than one character, which
I'm not gonna rag on. We ragged on him enough
last year. He's still not great. There's a certain car
in here that's just I'm just gonna say it's a miscast.
It is tough to watch this gentleman on screen, and
I don't think he's like a tarle actor, but it's
just it's tough that I don't think it's like bad acting.
It's just so for me. This is maybe my most
disappointing thing of twenty twenty four so far in the
year is almost over. But I was more hyped and
I I loved the season one and that's why now
I want to rewatch it because now I'm okay, maybe
on a second rewatch, I was wrong, but so far
what I've rewatched in season one I've enjoyed. So this
was a big letdown for me. I'm hoping it picks up,
but to have like three and a half hours of
content and not really have much really big positive things
to say is not a great confident booster for me.
So big disappointment on my end. So I'll throw it
over to her compatser.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is one I really did wish
I watched season one again like beforehand, just because there
was a lot of details I just was fuzzy on.
I'm thankful for the recap going into it, but yeah,
I just as soon as the first episode started, I'm like, man,
I feel ill prepared for this show, just just pulling
from last season. And you know, if you checked our reviews,
last season got my overall thoughts there, Like, I feel
like my positives on the show are pretty much the
same of like what season was was where usually I
think they're doing such a great job of just building
the world of Middle Earth, like it it looks really fantastic,
all the costumes and just like some of the visuals
that were given. It's it's very very impressive what they're
able to do. And I feel like I'm really looking
for like okay, no, like like it's an hour and
yeah thirty for the first episode, in like an hour
or so on each after that, and I'm it's somewhere
I'm looking for, like like a random someone in the
back to look fuzzy, or like a random creature to
be like okay, like where did they really slip up
on the CGI trips? You said the bugs? I didn't
really mind the bugs at all. I found like throughout
the entire three episodes, I was just blown away visually.
I thought it looked so amazing, and I thought the
same for season one, and like my characters that I
really loved, I I feel like I still really love
them again, and like that's where because I didn't watch
the first season, I like, I feel like I kind
of was more positive maybe than I was expecting, because
I had just really low It feels weird to say,
like really low expectations, but I just because of going
through season one and kind of getting a feeler for
where we're going with the story and certain characters and
their motivations and just certain characters interacting with each other,
and just kind of accepting, like this story whereas you know,
like some of the source material that they're pulling from,
because they deviated from that in like various areas from
season one and there still are continuing on. I'm just like, Okay,
this is just the rules of engagement. I know how
to prepare myself now, and I feel like because of that,
I was able to just enjoy it a lot more,
which is weird. I might be the most positive out
of all of us for these first three episodes. I
still have like the same complaints I think from the
first season. I will say though, for our main Big
Bad I am actually quite enjoying what's happening after I
think season or sorry, after episode one, like like once
we're getting minor spoiler into region and stuff like that.
Like I feel like I agree with you guys, not
a lot did happen, Especially if you compare it to
something like How's the Dragon. I feel like it's a
pretty safe show to compare it to, just because of like, well,
it's a fantasy realm, but also just the scale of
world that we're kind of dealing with and a lot
of different moving factions. Because like I do think it's
a great idea that we had three episodes for this start,
because like there's no way we would have been able
to touch on all of our same characters from the
first season. Like it was a nice vee. It was
kind of spaced out in that way. Even though not
a lot happened, I still feel that because we were
visiting various characters in different areas of the realm, we're
able to see kind of more the macro changes that
are happening in the world right now. And by that
I mean just how everything is shifting after the events
of season one and how the world is kind of
feeling the effect of our big bad like doing the
next stage of his plan, and I feel like, for me,
that's the most exciting part about it. So just kind
of like the discourse that's starting to fracture, maybe the
order that's around the world, and I love how we're
able to kind of visit the different realms, whether it's
the New Minorians or the Dwars and Kas of Doom
and just kind of like feel everyone start to feel
something nefarious is at play here. So for me, I
feel like I just really enjoyed that going forward. I'm
curious if that hinders or sways going forward, but like
we do have a great big battle that was shown
in the trailers that we still have to lead up to.
So I am actually optimistic. I think even after these
episodes going forward and because of where we are with
Souron and kind of what's going on with him and
other people around him, I'm intrigued as to what's to come.
So yeah, I'm kind of surprised that by the end
of the because I feel like I was kind of
going on like a roller coaster ride while watching these
episodes where it's like, ah, I hate this, I hate
this decision, this is awful, and then there'll be just
some great visual piece. I'm like, man, this is just
eye candy. I'm really loving this. The budget for the
show is I don't remember what it is, but it's
just like insanely high. Yeah, it's insanely high, and it
is unfortunate that maybe there's not more memorable moments to
kind of shout out. But I'm hoping that maybe by
the end of the season, I'm able to look at
it as just like a really solid start to finish story,
because i feel like Tolkien stories in general are They're
not They're not sprints, you know, like like Fellowship of
the Ring, Two Towers, Return of the King, Like those
are marathon type adventures, and they should feel that way
because it is just a very grand adventure. But I
so I think I think just the pacing didn't really
bother me in that sense. But it also, I guess
helped that my expectations were a little bit adjusted because
of that first season. So yeah, I'm curious how I'm
gonna feel by the end of it, because, like I
said already, like I'm just able to maybe except now
the rules of what's going on in this world, you know,
I'm not getting Kelliborne maybe maybe maybe one day where
is Keliborne. Oh would so like very much to speak
to him, right, Yeah, glad you he's caught like I know,
but it's just I feel like from season one, I
was like expecting to see those sort of things and uh, yeah,
that's just where we're at. But no, it's good and
definitely Howard shoorisms I got from the score You're not
alone there, Travis, I was. I mean, I was just
eating it up because I just love that soundtrack. But yeah,
definitely a just question, my liege.
Speaker 1: There we go, Well, laiji on, this should be an
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I feel like we all want to go there. Yeah
hell yeah, So okay, so mister Vickers here like the
actor still again, I don't have any really complaints with
them here.
Speaker 5: I.
Speaker 1: So we do this this semi The show starts not
with a flashback, but it's a flashback for us, right
because they didn't show us in season one, So this
is in season one at Oursley, I killed sorrow, right,
so they shows Kate. Here's a scene of them assassinating
a sar On in his chambers here and anyways, so yeah,
they kill him all good dandy, he blows up into
an ice monster. You he which also I have a
question is because he can take many forms, could he
take the form of a woman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't see why not.
Speaker 1: Just feel like that one might have been a smart
move for him. Everyone's looking for a dude. But I digress.
Just when we bumped in that woman and we never
knew what happened to her, so we bumped her and
we see his transformation in Halbraun takes her just clothes cool,
and then we meet Galadrol on the boat. But in
between that he meets us like these men and these
villagers and everything like that, And I anyone can take
the stick here, anyone can answer what I'm missing here,
because I'm glad to be wrong. But I just I
don't know if I need this like crisis of conscience
that someone's having in these moments here, and we have
this guy tell him. I'm like, well, if you pick
the good path and you stick to it, it'll become nature.
It's like I don't need, And sorrow's over here crying
like I don't need any of this. Like I think
it's we've as a movie culture maybe over corrected after
Thanos where it's like, man, every villain has to we
got a feel for them. We gotta understand you. No,
like sorrow to me should just be power hungry. And
I'm not saying he has be dumb, but I did
not understand what we're like, why is any character trying
to make us care about sore On? I don't know
learning good Nature, it did not track for me at all.
So in the first temnes, I'm like, we're off to
a bad start for me personally, and I didn't get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't love the opening at all. Of like
I really wasn't a fan of just how it started
with Souron. From this point on, I didn't really get
that from the conversation at all. It's it's more so
just like he's not even born again. It's just like
I feel like he has to return there and he's like,
look in this fire. He's looking I did not get
like like sad eyes in that moment. I found like vengeance.
Speaker 1: He's got tears in his eyes at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Anakin level eyes. That's what I was getting, Like,
like I'm looking in the fire.
Speaker 4: It felt like it was a reevaluation because he really
didn't think that he was gonna get fucked up by
his crew, right.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think I feel like I look
at it a bit differently. I'm almost looking at it
the same way as I'm looking at it's called still
called the Stranger, but he's definitely Gandalf at this point.
I would assume, yeah, where he's like he has, you know,
some disposition of him that he's a good guy. Or
once again, if I'm assuming it's Gandolf, maybe it's Sorrowmunks.
We've seen how there's like different sides to him, right,
But he's like trying to piece it together, and like
it takes time for that to happen. And I don't
know where the lore puts like the Wizards versus like
what Sauron is as a being, but I kind of
feel like that's what happened, like when he turned in
to the fucking ooze, slips down of the cave, cuts
the black comes back. Who knows how long that amount
of time is, but to me, it's almost like he's
like recalibrating, and so he's probably pulling from all these
different I don't know, personality traits and we're kind of
slowly getting to that disposition, But I don't know, maybe
even thought he could just like control those people or
they could be a good starting point, whereas if he
just kept walking down the road, there would have been
like nothing there for him. So I guess I did
interpreted that one scene differently, but that to me what
it felt like when he was kind of just bumbling
around in the first episode, That's kind of the vibe
I was getting is that he was just kind of
like he was almost like a newborn baby, Like he
was like, I'm going to rediscover the world a little bit,
not like fully from scratch, and definitely not to the
extent that the Stranger was. So I don't know what
the difference would be there, but yeah, that's kind of
what I was taking.
Speaker 1: Out of it.
Speaker 3: I think I think like a reoccurring issue that I
have with the show in general is just like the
scale of time. It's kind of hard to to figure
out because there.
Speaker 2: Is a beef for that. In like episode three, for.
Speaker 3: Sure, there is obvious time jumps, like from the time
that Souron dies, like it's not like the next day
he just becomes venom and starts slurping up centipedes, and
rats and stuff like that, like to get his like
form back, it's like hundreds of hundreds of hundreds of
years like to get to that point. So that and
like it don't even really touch upon that at all.
It's just like it shows him in the cave. It
doesn't even show like five years later or anything like that.
It's just it's just it's just like lighting kind of
changes and then he starts like moving again. So it's
really not clear at all how much time has passed
in that point. But to answer your question, Dylan, like
the Astari, which is what Gandalf, Soarn all those guys are.
They're all Mayar and Sarn was a Myar at some point,
so they were basically the same type of being, just
like how you and me are both humans. Like it's
like they're basically on the same level. I think Suron
was like much much stronger than what they were just
when they were all in their other realm. But but
for for Gandalf, I feel like it makes kind of
more sense for him to be just completely like amnesia
of like when he comes back back to Earth, because
it's like he's walking in the in those shoes for
the first time. Whereas for Soarn, like he's been there,
done that, like like he kind of knows what's going on,
and and like Travis to your point of him like
almost having like a existential crisis on it.
Speaker 1: This guy good nature, He's not gonna turn.
Speaker 3: But I like that though. But I like that though
because Soaron wasn't fully evil always like he was like
the same being as what Gandalf was, right, like he
only got corrupted by the idea of what Morgoth was.
And when Morgoth got fucked up, Saron was so like
just embarrassed to like have to go back to like
the Valar and just say like I'm sorry for joining him,
Like he like his own ego and pride stopped him
from doing that. But he wasn't like instantly trying to
be the more.
Speaker 1: None of this is in the show. That's what I mean,
Like I can't go but like the.
Speaker 3: Character traits makes sense to me for for him, that's
good fully evil after that happens.
Speaker 1: I don't have this shot by all my home in
this show. I don't have this backstory in this show.
He was a deceiver and then he's revealed to be
the most ultimate evil in the Middle Earth, Right, so
there's not been any of this in the show to
be like, oh, this is why he feels X, Y
and Z, this is why he would listen to this guy,
this is why he would act like this. And same
thing with her to the Power said, that's another problem
with me, where yeah, he regroups and then you know,
a couple episodes later he's I don't know, he's turned
into an angel his l formula not.
Speaker 3: Like they don't get the Jesus class.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but my thing is like, it doesn't seem like
he's missing any of his power right now for us
as a viewer. Right, So when he's just kind of
like sinn around hanging on, hanging out at ours camp,
I'm like, what are we doing here? Why? Like why
why is surrender? Like he's just chaining up just I'm
just going on, I'm gonna talk to this dog for
a little bit. I'm like, that whole subplot that r
to me could have chop it all all gone, don't
need it.
Speaker 2: It's not really tell much physical power he has. To me,
it seems like he doesn't have very much of that
right now.
Speaker 3: And has that been shown at any point like in
season one, like you're the one that rewatched some of
it at least, like it's not in.
Speaker 1: The first three episodes, because.
Speaker 3: He's shown with power like at all throughout the I
don't think so.
Speaker 1: No, But then next episode, like in the same time period,
that's when he's turned into like sar On Jesus. That's
what I mean. Like, if he can do that, he
should have some tricks to Like I don't understand why
he's just hanging out of the camp. You know, this
guy can also make these powerful rings and have influence.
He can talk to this.
Speaker 3: Completely different from like just popping off on Adar and
his and his homies in his camp. Like that's completely different,
I guess. But he can really powerful as well. But
like throw her in the camp, I'm sure she's gonna
be pretty useless.
Speaker 1: Is she powerful though? I don't know. I don't know
she has a ring of power man not this season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the only powers right now, stupid stupid ring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's something I wanted to ask too.
In terms of the power sex. Yeah, to me, it
seems like he doesn't have any sort of like crazy
Jedi mind trick kind of powers yet. But what he
does potentially have is like this the deceiver thing, which Kirk,
when you were talking about a lot in season one
and you were very excited, you know, to get to
that point, and it's interesting now that we're there. But
I'm curious, like how much of that is like the
Jedi thing where he just like waves his arm and
people do exactly what he says regardless of their disposition,
versus like him just having a lot of charisma and
and and convincing people. Because when he is just to
add our like if you let me go, I'm gonna
go to the elves and I'm gonna help find so
on on, He's like, okay, it it was so quick
and so easy, and to me, it wasn't like a
display of like, wow, this is a really conniving villain
who really outsmarted him with like some really really clever dialogue.
He just he said like almost nothing.
Speaker 4: And then I think that fear though, I think that's
why Ada just agreed.
Speaker 3: Power like at work. It's it's like dyl like the
charisma thing that you're talking about, like that is the
power that he has over people as well.
Speaker 1: I think with Dylan Ware, I don't think the show
is showing that, and my problem is with him with Galadil,
with Calibourne. There if you peel, I haven't seen an endgame.
I'm sorry about to spoil.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: At some point they put uh, what's it Rody and
Neblo on a mission, right, and they go back to
twenty fourteen. They see Peter Quill and they get this
whole backstory of what happened. Roddy's kind of unsure, and
then when they go to find Peter Quill, he looks
at me and goes, oh, so he's an idiot. Huh.
That's how I feel about every character in the show.
Where I don't feel that it's start on being clever,
it's these people are dumb. Like Calbourne is like, how
can I trust you? And then he goes this is
episode one, I don't know it's episode two where he goes, well,
I like to glad Role, I'm not gonna do that
to you because I lost her trust, okay, And then
it shows you know, I'm whatever his name is, right,
what's his name? His elder name? Anatar? Yeah? You know
you know everything about me? And then the next day
like I can't remember now, I've already for the scene,
I had my notes somewhere, but I think it's about
the High King or whatever it is. And he's like, well,
I didn't tell you something, so literally he said, I'm
never gonna lie you because I don't want to lose
your trust. And then the next episode it's like, well
I did, like and then Calbourn's like, well, I guess
that's a new development, like these people are, and I
just I get it because that's what mean Tara talking
about of Oh, it's the rings of power there. You know,
they can deceive you, they can want those power. But
to me, for Galadril to know, and I'm not sure
if it's like this in the books, do they know
when they get these rings that they're from Saarn?
Speaker 3: There from these rings?
Speaker 1: But they had his touch on it, right.
Speaker 3: That's why in the events of the Lord of the Rings,
the Elvis rings are the only ones that don't get
corrupted because Saron had nothing to do with those rings.
Speaker 1: Didn't he. Last season though they showed him with Calburn
like sitting there, they're like butting up.
Speaker 5: But he didn't get his hands on them, did he not.
Speaker 3: That's why it's such a big deal that he's there.
Now because he's helping Kelliborn make these rings for the
Dwarfs nine for the men doomed to die, like the
prophecy happening now. So these three rings good Elvis rings. Yes,
completely completely uncorruptible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's maybe going forward, completely ungrupable. But I
think my issue with it was, though, was they at
this point they're just even worried that he did do
something with the rings, right, that's Elron's holes fear.
Speaker 3: And that's where I was like, I feel like I
forgot something from the last season, Like I don't remember
him being so extreme in that sense.
Speaker 1: And that's why you know, he was very aloof in
season one. He was just going where the blend took him.
But for me, for Galadri, who all season one got
twisted and mind deft by this guy and all episode one,
but I really failed to be like, hey these rings, sorry,
am I have done something? To Him's like oh okay
and puts it on. I was like, well, I can't
really get behind Gladeral anymore because it just to me,
this doesn't make sense. So for me, it's these characters
are just kind of doing things at the plotter, Well,
we have to get to this point. And that's why
I don't. I'm with I know I went on some tangents,
but I agree if that's what Dylan said, I don't.
And I think the actor could actually do it, But
I don't think they're making star and come up as
charismatic enough. It's just like a video game picked the diplomatic,
you know, answer say that and then yes, I agree,
I'll do this for like, it's not coming off as
genuine these interactions.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I was just gonna say, I feel like there
are small moments of him being charismatic, but mostly it's
him just like insinuating fear, like with Addor or with Calibrinbor,
He's just changing into this deity like I am your partner,
and Calibrifor is like.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Like to point with Addur. Then if
if like you're saying, this guy has no powers on,
then why is he even listening to this guy? Why
isn't he just chopping his head off? Like what.
Speaker 3: Was so terrified?
Speaker 4: He believes Saren was dead? And then this guy's like,
you know, sarahen is alive. I know I know where
he is. He's like what, like, holy fuck, that's a
game change, no other.
Speaker 2: Question, random freaking guy who's listened by him, Like, wouldn't
anyone say like a similar thing.
Speaker 4: I know, I don't think Saron is like a well
known thing amongst men though, especially like you have a
man who's claiming to be like a king of the
Southlands who's there, he's out looks at him as a
king at least in this regard with his identity, and
this king just happens to say, like, Okay, sourn he
survived different form, and I know how to find him
because I'm friends with the Alms. Like that's all these
different things, Like holy shit, this is a lot of
a lot of notes that maybe sound real, not just
a guy saying Souron's alive and leave in it at that.
But there's enough convincing pillars there to stoke the fear
that is.
Speaker 3: An Adar and the orcs.
Speaker 2: I'd saying to me, it's hard any of it's hard
to believe if he doesn't literally have some magic that
like fucks with people's brains other than not like not
just him being charismatic and well spoken, because even like
he mind controls that one of the wolf creatures to
like kill the other guy and leave him alone. And
that's not a conscious creature that is going to listen
to reason, So maybe he just knows how those things tick.
But even that, like to get him to get it
to not attack him, sure, I can believe that to
get it to ten minutes later attack this other guy
who was in the camp, Like, it just seems too
specific for him to not have some sort of like
special power that he's usual utilizing, and like it's hard
for me to I really like Calibrinbore in the first season,
but like everything he's well, he doesn't like him being
literally his mind being like rewired by Sarn's magic.
Speaker 4: He does it on the fish too, right, it's gonna
swallow him up, and he like force speaks to it,
and the sea monster swims away and ablides him.
Speaker 3: Right, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry sir. Yeah, you guys
are definitely bringing up fair points that I feel like
I just didn't really think about while I'm watching it,
because there is a lot of things that just kind
of are glossed over, And I think a big one
for that is just Sourn's kind of like power over
people in the sense of like his like I feel
like chritism is like not even a strong enough word
for it, because it's just like such a force that
he's able to like really deceive people. And that's why
he's able to cause never mind, that's gonna be a
spoiler for the show, so I just won't even say it.
But I don't know.
Speaker 1: We don't know where it's going though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but maybe someone doesn't. I don't know, But like
I I like, for me, especially for I'll just talk
about Killibrinboro here. For me, it's definitely there's some moments
when he seems a little just stupid, but I feel
like I'm able to buy it because of Souron's just
really convincing words to him about just like him trying
to be basically the next fan Or and fan Or
is the guy that made the Simariles. That's just like
the most it's it's just it's like better than the Ring,
Like it's just it's just the most sought after objects.
And he's that's why just such a craftsman. Kelibrinbor is
just trying to almost not even necessarily live up to
the name, but just like the legacy of being that
master craftsman. And I love how Souron was able to
just like drop that line on him and make him
just like, oh I I like I could do this,
especially that he's already seen the effectiveness of the Rings
of Power, right like like the fact that they ar
healing Linden, Like, all of those things, for me are
maybe filling in the gaps of stuff that we're not
actually getting said on screen. So definitely, I think that
is a downfall of the show overall, because it should
be clear, it should be clear to everyone on like
why his power is able to work in this way,
because otherwise, to your guys' point, like it just seems
like these people that he's interacting with are really stupid,
and these people are definitely not stupid, Like there's some
of the most powerful and interesting characters that are in
the entire Tolkien universe. And I think that's definitely a
downfall of the show overall. But for me just kind
of seeing like this visual representation, you know, different variation,
but still the story that I really just love of
the foundation of the Rings and that stuff. That's where
maybe I'm just a lot more positive on it, But
I still think that they are they're missing something about
really emphasizing like Sarah and anatar now, like his influence
on the world, because this whole season is going to
be him doing this to people, not just klib Brinbore right,
Like he's gonna be whispering sweet nothings into everyone's year
throughout this entire season. He's gonna be what worm Tongue
could only dream of being. So I'm looking forward to that.
I hope that maybe they just do it better and
uh yeah, more clear to everyone.
Speaker 2: I just want a little bit more tact in the
there writing for it, so that it can almost feel
like it's a bit more on the line of, Okay,
how much is this magic power versus how much is
this like him just being a really smart, cunning, deceiving
type of character, because that is like really compelling stuff.
Like even like he's had a lot of scenes with
Calibrinbore now, and so some of it does make a
lot of sense, Like him, he's really playing on calibrin
Bore's ego and like, oh these rings, man, they worked
and they fucking crushed it. We should make them more
like that, Like that would totally make sense that would
want to convince him. But I also feel like he
is way too trusting right off the bat, especially with
how weird that whole sequence is to me, where he
shows up at the gate they let him in the
first place, which is kind of weird. Why does Calibrimble
like lets him in to talk to him, But then
he's like, actually, I don't really want to talk to
this guy. And then the guy is like they tell
him to leave, and he's like, I don't actually want
to leave, and they're like okay, And then like a
day later, Calibrin Boor is like, okay, I guess to
go talk to him now and tell him to leave myself,
and then that's when the convincing happened. It just feels
like a little bit too janky in the actual like
plot line of the writing of that sequence.
Speaker 4: But the convincing wasn't necessarily Calibrimbor. It was on he
put his charisma onto that servant elf, that handmaid in
the alf right, like even just showing that he was
super injured in the way he was talking to her,
and he obviously was pretty confident in knowing that she
would go to vouch for him when speaking to Calibrinboor.
And you're right, you make a good point with Calibrinbore's
ego and he always playing off of that, and I
think it's just like any any creative artist out there.
You get hooked onto your work and you want to
be the best. And he's loubing this threat over calibrim Or, like, hey,
it could all be taken away. You need to you
need to keep going at And when KLi Brimbore was
just turned on a dime, like oh, I'm gonna lie
to the hiking and just write this letter like oh
the forgers are closed, Like fuck, that was a pretty
hefty thing to do. But I just I like that
he's playing off of that weakness with him. But I
don't think it's gonna last very long. But of course
you got him pretending to be sent by the Valor,
and that just totally shuts out whatever weirdness there was
about him standing at the gates for like three days
or however long. He was just like standing there looking
making it rain and making the storms.
Speaker 3: And like like yeah, because like the val are to them,
like that would be a believable thing, especially if it
happens in that way of just like pure magic that
he just changes form speaking to him through the fire
and just comes down from the heavens like that makes sense. Oh,
there's something you're talking about Killer Brimbore there, No, it's
alluded to me. Maybe we'll come back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was completely fine with that. Off he's given
the whole pitch of hey, this could be the darkest
time ever, we need to do this and Calbary Moore
and first like, I don't know, like that's a lot.
I get him turning on that even if there's no
like charismatic Jedi mind trick of just this guy turns
into a practical age like Okay, I think I believe you.
You know, like clearly this is something went on. I
did not like the standing outside. It was weird, especially
because the reason is he's like, well says uh Gladul said,
not to have anything to do with him. And the
first thing Soren zech is, oh Gladuro said, you would
say that, it's just like you're not gonna press him anymore.
It's like, wouldn't you be kind of if someone said, hey,
don't talk to Dylan, and then that Dylan I had
the same conversation and I was like, oh that I
just talked to that person, be like, well, that's really odd.
That person said to have nothing to do with you,
but they don't talk about that. He just says that,
and then they move right into the conversation and let's
be in sides. So it's like, I'd not like this same thing.
Why wouldn't the guards score him the first time? He's like,
it's been a couple I think they only say it
was one day. But still it's like, all right, you
better leave now or you're gonna be escorted out. Why
wasn't that the first move if you've been like worn
by Gladial, Hey, don't associate with this guy going forward.
There's something up with him. It was. It was very
odd to me. I wish there was another at that point.
I wish she just got in and Calibrinmoorren was just
curious the first time he came in and had a conversation, right, oh,
well whatever, Gladual says, that's fine. I'm gonna make my
own opinion, not like no, I won't let him in,
And then uh yeah, that character.
Speaker 2: Security would be way better in that city. But maybe
it's just shit security and that would make a little
more sense.
Speaker 1: Well, which even it's weird because they she's like, well,
there's someone requesting her presence, but they've already let him
in the gate. Usually it'd be like, hey, he's on
the other side of the gate. It's this guy, Yes,
go ahead and comes in.
Speaker 3: But it's like he.
Speaker 2: Probably mind trick of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they might get more into that as the seat,
because we've seen some previews where it's like, looks like
calibrinmore was in like a hell dark like area, so
it might look like, of Okay, maybe they're gonna show like, oh,
from all he's always been doing this. But I just
wish there was more of a even if it was
a music cue, something fun to do with the camera,
just something and maybe just better rid the scenes. But
I like the version he's playing here, and I still
always thought the actor Vickers is doing a good job, well.
Speaker 2: Better this season around than the first season.
Speaker 3: I agree. I remember what it was for Calibrin Bore.
I've just like him willing to just lie to the
High King. I think something that they really did not
do a good job at showing is just from first season.
It just seems like all the Elves are just like
like team Elf, like that is just that is just
the way it is. So for us to be now
at the start of season two, where he's like just
just lying to the High King through a letter and
just we'll just work on our own. Yeah, Like like
that just seems like such a jump and a major,
major stretch, whereas it's like it's really not that. I
feel like it's not that hard to believe of like
elves just getting so fixated on their actual craft, especially
someone like kilbrimboor who like is a like a last
descendant of feyan Ore that would just like he literally,
like you know, more or less to quote a great
Avatar character, betrayed his own race because of his his
great craftsmanship and just his obsession with making beautiful things.
So I think I think what happened is is is
fine character wise, but it's just the way that they
told it. It's just guys, like come on, like like
people are gonna be very just confused, and and sceneholes
in the script here, which I mean is evident already,
you know, forty five minutes in.
Speaker 1: Seeing that one didn't bug me because like you've never
watched it. But in the Hobbit, they like establish all
the elves or not, like there's lots of the section
of elves and they don't all get along and all
other issues and everything like that. So I was completely
fine and mean, like uh because he even says he's like,
I'm not in his province or he says something like
like his juridiction or something like that, says like that guy, yeah,
which which is because like they did they ever explain?
This is something I might have missed. Did they explain
what happened to the letters that they sent from Rivendell?
What I missed that?
Speaker 3: It's not Rivendell, right, it's Lyndon.
Speaker 1: Okayn, Where where those letters go? They?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got fucked up. They show their bodies.
Speaker 5: The show who killed them, but they show their dead
bodies and they showed them.
Speaker 3: Letter was the Orcs that were following Holobrand, right because
Adar tells them to tail them. So that's kind of
what I assumed.
Speaker 1: Okay, I no, I must have looked away. Some guys
are completely because I was like, where are these letters? Like,
because he's writing a letter of the High King? And
I did like that at first, right when he's like,
all right, letter of the High King, like Soren's face
is like you what because and then it was like
oh yeah, yeah, I'm gonna lie and say we're not
doing anything. It's like, oh okay, he like sat back,
but it was yeah, it like like I liked it.
Literally looked like Saron was like I might have to
kill this dude right now. Like he literally had this
eyes like because it's good if he sends this letter
I'm fucked, which is like still the same thing to
like if you can change your form, I get it,
because of course want Vickers to carry on, but it's
still funny, like he just looks like the long blonde area.
Change it up like a little bit the same thing.
This is when he should have been a woman. And
this because like they will be looking for a woman
right now, you know.
Speaker 3: And like the lad Eel and team is on their
route right like I'm yeah.
Speaker 4: That later was talking elder On, trying to convince them
to like come with me to to go apprehend sour On.
But there was a there's a quick line there that
she dropped like, you know, none of their letters that
we sent to calibrinbore of been answer.
Speaker 5: It's like not like letters, what do you mean letters?
Speaker 1: You haven't sent a lot.
Speaker 4: You sent one that was your only hope with sending one.
Speaker 1: Don't get me started about her and the High King
and Calibrino their whole fucking Like in episode two, I'm
so pissed at those two characters they're talking about, like, man,
it'd be it really suck if Sarren got back there.
But there's like they have no emergency to send any
like they sent some letters, but like I hope an
EPISOD four or five, there's a pressing we haven't heard anything,
we need to go. And it's weird because I got.
Speaker 2: A pull spinning wheels where it's like, okay, glad, you're
wants to go, and then she she's so she's gonna go.
But then there's like this drama where it's like, oh,
actually Elron's been put in control of this group that's
gonna go to Aaron Gone, and that's like I feel
like that's been for like weeks. They've just been sitting
around like planning this trip. But as you mentioned, like
this is such an urgent matter, you should go immediately. Yeah,
and enough of this drama of like who's gonna run
the lead the group that goes there. To me, that
stuff's really disappointing because that is what those are like
my two favorite characters from what I remember from the
first season. So I'm just not liking them, just sitting
around and then like at one point, freaking el Ron,
like he flees with the rings and then I get
them and pull them back, and it's like, I don't
like anything that we've been doing.
Speaker 1: With he literally the high King says to arrest this man.
He jumps off a waterfall. They when they get him.
Cut to thirty minutes later when they're all singing together.
Elron's there singing with them all there's no.
Speaker 2: Cons' in control of this other group, like it's zero
more than anyone.
Speaker 1: Zero CONSC. And this one it was the beginning of
season episode two. They're talking about kel Rimborne and hiking
goes he's completely fine, nothing to worry about, and they
pause for ten seconds. They just show some like the
scene or everything, and glad Your walks up and she's like,
I believe cal Brimbourne is in danger, and they just
go and it's just like she they like he said
this to her and she's go like yeah, yeah, And
then for ten there it's like they meant to put
the scene like later on in the episode, but literally,
they just have the same conversation over again, and it's
the same. Well, I don't know, like that's been my
biggest issue with I'm glad that you told me the
rings aren't with Saron, but I just feel like they are.
This whole thing. They just don't take it seriously at all.
All season one, they tell Glad, you're that she's crazy,
Sara's dead, you're just revenged, you know, reeking, you just
want to get vengeance for your brother, right, and now
he's alive. One the stupid High King is like, well,
you're really fucked up. I let him get away. No,
no one's ever said anything right about her being right
or anything like that now, just about how she fucked up.
And I wish there could be some sort of good
drama there, but I just feel like she's like the
teacher's pet right now at the High King. And this
whole thing sucks because I just feel like there's no
urgency at all with any of these people, and that's
it sucks to me. Just feel like they're just being
dumbed down and I I just don't understand what they're
doing here with everything to do with Sarn and their
plan and Calibrin Bourne just and same thing with the rings,
even if they're good rings. The fact that she would
put one of these rings on knowing there could be
a her best friend has said these rings could be
really bad and fuck us all up. And she first episode,
the ring just falls her feet.
Speaker 5: I'll put it on diamond though, She's like, oh.
Speaker 1: Man, but yeah, I have no husbands.
Speaker 3: You see those leaves after man like it was, I
feel like I have no issue with them. Basically, the
elves and the rings, like I have no issues with that.
I really love the sequence actually when Elron was speaking
with Kirdan and like him just trying to lip el
Ron's kind of perspective on the rings, and like he's
just so fixated on being scared of the of the
evil potential of these rings, but he's so blind to
the possibility of what they could do for good. And
I I just love that sequence. I'm really loving this
just like Buddhist ker Dan type character that we're kidding
that he's just so like Tranquil and like, I I
feel like the way that he's he's carrying himself like
the actor as the character. He just feels so much
like just I don't know if wiser is like a
better term than like all the other l's, but he
just feels like and the oldest though, like he feels
elder I think in in compared to the other elp. Yeah,
I'm I'm loving that. Just the casting for kier Dan
because that that was one I was really excited to
see for the season. Kar Dan the ship right, Uh
so that that's been really pretty sweet to have and
fun fact, the ring that he has is actually the
one that Gandel flares in the future, so that's in
a drinking bet.
Speaker 1: Really he lost in a drinking bet. Oh of course
not Okay, I'm like, jesus see, I'm glad I like
it him. I hated the comparison when I don't know
how evil these rings could be, how bad they are,
and he's like, well, what if a drunk man writes
a poet, is it's still not a good poem. And
it's just like that's not like they're not comparable, dude,
Like the rings are a terrorist with weapon of mass
destruction as you're toting original like bor mirror right, and
like this guy is saying, like, well, if a drunk
I wrote a poem, it was good do we take
his credit away. It's like they're not it's not the
same situations. I get what they're trying to do, but again,
I just think, like the right, I just don't think
the level the Again, these these elves just feel like
this is such a nonchalant issue to them. The comparison
is not apt and what like this is lives on
the line, not poetry, you know.
Speaker 3: Getting back to what you guys were talking about though,
with just the urgency of the elves, and that's definitely
something I feel like, Uh, I don't know. There's some
stuff with the Linden Elves that I do like, but
I feel like most of it has been kind of messy,
and they I just don't think they're doing a good
job at like what basically you guys were already highlighting
of just the sense of urgency of what this threat
could be. I think there is a version with the
same amount of screen time that we've had for our
l's in Linden, to just make it more compelling, Like
maybe there's more pushback on like why this would be
impossible that Halibrand would even be in a region at
this point in time, right, because the last time we
saw him. That's like way, way way further away. If
if you pull up the map of kind of where
Aragaon is in comparison, and something that really bugged me
to like where we are in season two, sorry, where
we were at the end of season one where I think,
like the last shot is Halbrian like in Mordor, right,
he's like reginned. How the fuck does he just like
fast travel all the way from Mordor where Adar has
him to just like way over to Aragyon like instantly
on his black horse. Like it just seems like he
took the took the eagles across the way to get
over there, like instantly.
Speaker 2: I think that's what you're saying earlier, Just like the
amount of time that passes since these people, Yeah, none
of the people in this world like have a life
outside of like the direct plot of the story, so
none to tell like what's happening in between how much
time has passed. Because the thing that bothered me is,
for like I don't know, an episode and half, almost
two episodes were spinning wheels of this whole gladrl Aleron.
They're gonna go to a rangeon thing and then just
like at the end of episode two, calibrin Boor is like, hey,
can you invite Duran or one of the dwarves to Rangeon?
And then they get there in like five minutes, And
maybe because the Doom is really close to reggaeing compared
to Linden, I don't know, but to me it was
like we're still plotting, just walking over to Orangon in
that time. The dwarves have been invited, which would take
you know, a messenger to go there, and then they
come there and then they get all the way back
because of due before they've even left Lin. So I
don't know. I went on a Middle Earth map and
I tried to find these spots and I could not
find them anywhere. So I don't know. Maybe it is accurate,
but when you're bringing up there of sore On, I mean,
he's magic, so he can do whatever he wants, I guess.
But yeah, it's a lot of the just time that
takes for things in this show is U is really
throwing things off. And I feel like the movie trilogy
is so consistent in terms of how long things take
and like their relative of talent. It takes like this
group of travelers to get from here to here versus
that group of travelers to get from there to there.
So it's, uh, just it all just feels a bit
messy because of that. And maybe it just comes down
to the edit when they just filmed these things and
then there's in the idea room, like we got to
make a compelling show that each episode has like progress
for each of these storylines. So I guess it just
becomes a bit of a mess at that point.
Speaker 1: It was funny that season one, like the big ending
shot was like Sarry and going back to Mordor and
then like he spends like a couple of coffee there
and he's gone again. You know, like they I feel
like they did that just to end season one, like well.
Speaker 3: Oh literally, yeah, yeah, it makes no sense.
Speaker 1: We gotta show people he's going back and you know
where they makes the ring, He's going back there. And
then he just like said hi to eight R eight R.
How are we gonna say his name? Ad R and
Addar told some weird fucking story about like pretty much
having sex with sar On. I know he didn't, but
just like he found me in the moonlight and gave
me wine, the reddest wine ever seen. He'd let me drink.
I was like, what the fuck are we doing here?
He just literally felt like he described like falling loves on.
I get what they're going for. Like he was like,
you know he he you know, used his macheesemo, his
chrisma to get him in there and like win him
over and stuff. And it's just the way Heat was
telling the story. It just felt like so romantic. I
was getting lots of good laughs out of it and
everything going on there. I'm Taylor, Can you tell you
what was the meme that you saw? Because I don't
think we saw the same meme, but.
Speaker 3: It was about the baby orc.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we did see the same meme. Yeah, Okay,
let's take an ad break and we'll be right back.
So we'll take our second break and we're back. So
I think this happens in EPISOD. So yeah, episode three
were at our decides Kate, we're going back to war? Okay, cool?
You know that was the whole thing, right with sar On.
He said, let's go to war. They say no, they'd
kill him, and everything like that. They just just lots
of deeping going on in him and he's just a
mess at the beginning, right, so he's dead. And then
we've talked about the suff Sorr and then so adds
like we're going back to war. And then he had
this fucking org behind and we're like, but sir, you
said we could stay home for a little bit, Well
we gotta go back to Wor so we can defend
our home and all right, sir. And then he turns
around and there's a woman Orc and then and she.
Speaker 2: Told her he's calling him dad and son.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very on the nose with it.
Speaker 1: And like he turns around. I'm like that betarter not
be what I think it is. And lo and behold
the org. Late there's a lady Orc there holding a
baby Orc. And then the man were like gets around
and looks at It's just like, this is exactly for
me what they fucking did in Boba. Fet were like,
you know, the sad people, they're not that bad. You know,
if you know sy language, they're not avages. It's like,
I don't need to care about the sand people, and
I don't need the Orcs to be like, but DoD
you said we could stay home, like I do not
like to me, the Orcs are just vicious killing and
if they want to go to war war fucking going
back to it. But it's like, but we just got here.
I just this, this for me is taking two steps farward.
That's the stuff I started classify as bad or stuff
that like hurts my precipitation of how I viewed certain
things and not liking what's going on the Orcs and
Nata right now for me. So and yeah, I saw
the many memes of the Orc baby, so it's already started,
so not good for the show.
Speaker 3: I guess I.
Speaker 2: Didn't even ever think about it prior because I when
I think of how an Orc is born, I think
of that scene in Eisen Garden when they're just coming
out of the mud bath and ripping the member I
thought too.
Speaker 3: Right created?
Speaker 4: But even ors, even though Orcs I thought were created too,
because they were once elves, right, isn't that what son
or Sara I thought about.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think that's completely confirmed though.
Speaker 1: Is that just the yurka that elves that were Remember.
Speaker 2: I'm not debating the Lord. I'm just saying this is
my perception. So I feel like I'm learning a lot
here of like fork anatomy. But I guess we have
what's to stop them from banging and they still got
the organ lots, they can have.
Speaker 4: Babies, right, I swear in Fellowship when he's talking, I
was talking about like he's like, remember how the orc
first came to being they were elves once and.
Speaker 3: That's and that that's been like in contention though that
like that was actually never said by Tolkien, like that
could have been a Peter Jackson decision, right, Like like
that was never actually confirmed one way or the other.
So I I I have no idea where that actually
line is crossed.
Speaker 2: For that doesn't deconfirm the that they can have. Like
once you've taken two elves, turn them into orcs, then
they can.
Speaker 1: Reproduced, reproducing. I just don't want them to they should
they like, I don't want them to be like reproduced
Travis them being having like this soft side of like
but we're home with our family, Like I don't need
orcs to have the like orcs me would be the
ones that are like eating their children. They were like
it's just like it's like I don't care if they
fuck are not ur L's or not, Like the fact
that they've made them this way and the show is
like what are we doing here? And also just to
I think carring them back me out in this. In
the chat, someone says Lord Wings takes place two to
three weeks. That's not true in even the movies. And
the movies they say it's almost been like a year
or something.
Speaker 5: Hasn't in the books, it's like years and years.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not years and.
Speaker 3: Years in the book, it's like a year.
Speaker 1: It's like a year and six months. I think, yeah, yeah,
so it's not a couple throw didn't get the Mordar
in a couple of weeks. It took it took a
little bit longer. But I see what you're saying. But yeah,
oh what was my point?
Speaker 5: I was just gonna make the case with the orc babies. Yeah,
so I I like.
Speaker 4: The idea of them just creating the orcs because at
this point I feel like, okay, when you look at
when we get to Lord of the Rings and you
see how many fucking orcs there are. At this point,
was Sun just having like, let's do huge orgies. We
need to get our numbers up, like just let us.
Speaker 1: Yea tongues like me like, no, you motherfucker, you gotta
remember Tay, this is technically not a prequel to those movies.
Speaker 3: Though yeah it's.
Speaker 1: Legally, yeah, legally it is not. You're not supposed to
watch this as a lead into the movies. It is
its own thing. It's more a watching the It technically
would be a prequel to the books, not to the movies.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm yeah, I know you're right, but when
I watch, but.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying when you're saying, like, oh, well, in
Fellowship of the Ring, there's so many Orcs they like
they have to be creative. But that's why it's like, well,
you technically haven't seen what happens here. Maybe in this
can it is like, yeah, they're just fucking all the time,
you know, And.
Speaker 4: They are fucking all the time apparently or anything like that. Uh,
why I wanted to add one more note on Sarn
before we talk about the Orc fuck. So there's a
moment in here when we see obviously.
Speaker 5: The intro of the episode one with.
Speaker 4: Sourn, like he's just more goth is dead and he's
just trying to talk to the crowds, right and like
make his claim, make his case, and Arda is not
having it. The Orcs aren't really having it. The Orcs
are sounding like their cooba. I got Coba vibes.
Speaker 1: Like a couple of Orcs did sound like mean mean
their weapon, and I was like, oh my god, Coba's here,
Orc Coba now Surn no war boom.
Speaker 4: So you're telling me, now, this is the fallout of
more Goth's passing, and you have Sourn coming into play
here making his claim, and then he gets executed.
Speaker 5: They take him out. But then you have in season
one this.
Speaker 4: Whole setup here where glad You was talking about how
oh the Orcs are multiplying, the Orcs are rising up,
and Souron was the one mobilizing them and leading them
and then.
Speaker 1: They cheering them on, go fuck go fuck.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, but.
Speaker 4: This scene technically never happens then because he's in his
little majesty robes and get sucking skullf fucked by the
more Goth crown.
Speaker 1: You could take this armor off, couldn't he? And then
look like the guy.
Speaker 5: Was taking this arm. No, he's wearing this twenty fourth.
Speaker 1: It's heavy, it's heavy. You're sweating describing that as a
skull fucker like you can't wear the whole time, like
you want to take a ship in that thing. There's
no way you sits.
Speaker 3: He's not even mortal, so he doesn't have to. Okay,
well it's a good question.
Speaker 2: One more baby baby counterpoint, going back to my my
good old eis and guard thing of babies coming out
of like a little or the Orcs come out of.
Speaker 3: The mud baths.
Speaker 2: Could they not have taken an Elvin baby and thrown
it in a mud bath and regenerated that way? We
don't know that that that or holding the baby gave
birth to that baby? Right?
Speaker 1: But then why are they taking care? Why they take
care of it?
Speaker 2: Or else it dies? You need the numbers to multiply,
or else you can't take out a Erringian, right, Linden
and stuff?
Speaker 1: So you like the baby, ork, then no comments? Yeah
do you like the like? You got points for it?
But are you for the baby?
Speaker 2: I didn't bother me. I don't love it.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty I'm pretty damn alright with it.
Speaker 1: I I don't know.
Speaker 3: I like just seeing the Orcs more than just cannon
fodder for our main heroes to just chop up. I'm
not saying I want like a full episode or season
of just following the lives the you know, the Desperate
Housewives of the Orcs or whatever like that version of
the story. I don't need that, but I still do
like kind of seeing this post mor Goth situation and
the Orcs kind of having a beak like a representative
that's like more for them. That's I don't know, it's
it's just intriguing to me just seeing them as a
faction on their own, not just minions to a big
bad So that's because that's pretty much what they've been
the whole their whole existence has just been like cannon fodder.
And uh yeah, I don't know. I I kind of
like to see it because it was something new, but
I don't know.
Speaker 2: I himself, mankind will never see you as more than
beasts to be slaughtered.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like plenty of Orcs will die, but that's
a sacrifice. I'm willing to, like.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna kill him, We're gonna kill him. But
I didn't have like, again, like I I did have
a problem with it. I I still think it is
like a it's just me, not the Orc. I like, right,
because I feel like it's it's a beauty thing. It's
I don't like them being like, oh well, that's our
leader and he's against us. Now we should kill it,
like I For me, it's this is it's like the
sampile thing. I don't need this from the Orcs, especially
in the show when we already have so many characters.
I don't need Orc family subplot popping off as well.
I'm not saying they're gonna be come supporting characters.
Speaker 2: But I mean, I don't think that's no.
Speaker 1: But I just don't even need a minute of it.
I don't even need that all give any I don't
even like kind of hoping at our kicks the bucket
this season. I'm done with I was done with the
story I think last year, and I'm kind of ready
for starting to kick his ass. And then he embarress
him and then all the Orcs are like, we follow him,
like that's what I want, like we Cabron, yeah, and
I was, no, I give you what, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Because he was, I'm with you. I think bite the
dust this this season. Question in that in that prequel
shot thing when sour On does like his big ice
explosion and seeps through, is that the same ice temple
thing from season one where Galadrrell and her crew were
going and looking up remains and things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was wondering that what they found there, they
found his simple And it was odd though, because that's
in like early episodes, right, first episode one. But that's
why I was not sure about that, because she's like,
all these orcs, they're experimenting with some dark magic. Like
she made it sound like the Orcs fucked up here
and not someone fucked him up with dark magic.
Speaker 2: Or some I think given the situation, I don't know
she would know necessarily.
Speaker 1: That's just what she said. I know, I guess that's
just what she said, because they are experimenting with dark magic.
I was like, Okay, so that's why I wasn't sure
if it was actually the same place, because it looked icy.
Andy she finds a.
Speaker 2: Symbol in a case where they hadn't thought about that
when they did that scene in season Yeah, connected it
later too, Yeah.
Speaker 1: And like I wonder why, Like I get it, like
his career, he made the point like he regenerates, But
I almost just wonder, like why they didn't have vicars
in that scene, you know, if he's just gonna look
the way he.
Speaker 3: Does later on, I think, just to emphasize that he
can take many different forms, like throughout his existence. It's
kind of funny that, like we have Halbrand and then
also Charlie's Vickers with like long hair, so it's like,
why not just get another actor in that point other
than just trying to use Charlie Vickers as much as
you can, which I guess.
Speaker 1: I answered my question because I guess you also don't
want add Our and know he is sar On right,
so he kidnaps him at camp and he sees.
Speaker 3: This guy, So that'd be terrible if they just went
with that of like we'll just make it so the
actors don't actually know. It's like like Galadriel like interact
with him. It's like, nice to.
Speaker 1: Meet you, like that happens.
Speaker 3: Oh God, that awful.
Speaker 1: You're seem familiar not me. I'm just like when I
can't remember the dwarf what his name is, he's like
our main dwarf. If he has a problem with.
Speaker 3: His Duran, yeah Duran and his father Duran.
Speaker 2: How shady is confused because their names.
Speaker 1: Is yeah, how shady is it? When he asked her,
I'm like, what's your name? He's like, I'm a friend,
Like he doesn't he refuses to give him any name
until e venture She's like, yeah, I'm an or whatever,
but like like three times, like I'm just helping you out,
I'm a friend.
Speaker 4: No worries about really closing his eyes and like he
puts it into the fire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Taylor does circle back. So yeah, you are correct.
It is uh so, so what the inconsistency of I'll
just read this. The origin of Orcs were explained two
different ways or inconsistently by Tolkien. The origin the Orcs
were either East Elves enslave, tortured and bred by more
Goth Melchor also known or Avar melcoor that's Melcor. Malcre
is a good name, right, Yeah, that's like his his
original name.
Speaker 1: No Wonder changed his name Malcore.
Speaker 3: So it's basically both versions that he explained was originally
a race of Elf that was just like completely corrupted
by the evils of more Goth. Then I imagine it's
like at that point, it's almost like an evolutionary type thing,
you know, to pull in Elder scrolls. It's kind of
like how the snow elves were and it's like like
turned into the Falmer. I think it's something along those lines,
and I imagine the farmer can make baby follmers, So
it's right. Was that you.
Speaker 5: Said breed there and bread by more goth like sexualizing
like sex and.
Speaker 1: Not the not the magic magic, so they could breed
them other ways too. You're just gonna say it didn't
have to be.
Speaker 2: Answer the mud baths, the.
Speaker 1: And sorry on and other people are sitting around campfire,
so we read them and moreof is just like sex.
And it was like, fuck, you're weird man. We have
a magic book. Let's use the multiplier spell. Oh yes,
of course, multiplier spell. Let's use that one. Maybe we'll
do that another time.
Speaker 2: But we're back on the menu.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's back on the many Boys. Okay, we've talked
about anything anything else. We've talked about Sir on ad
Our and we've talked a little bit about l Ron
and the too. Yeah, is there anything about those collection
of characters we touch them before we move apart.
Speaker 2: I think on add Our just kind of like the
I think it's in like near the end of episode
three there just we got damn Rod, the hill troll
who comes up to camp. He's got he's got one
of the orcheads and he wants to suck up with
sore on it. So there's not really much there. It's
more of a cliffhanger leading into something. But I'm I'm
excited for that. I think that this faction he did
look good troll and uh, just to see him up
some people, because I don't know, I like seeing the
different trolls in this in we've seen like a few
different types and this one seems a lot more. Uh,
I don't know, we've seen other I guess like kind
of evolved ones too that can actually have conversations and stuff.
So I don't know, I just I just like seeing
that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: So 're not thinking I imagine that he was the
big guy. At the end of episode three, I kind
of Madison was like, oh Treanz Trants. I was like,
oh yeah, probably Trant's right, yeah, and yeah, okay, it's just.
Speaker 1: This troll picked him up. Episode four opens out the
murder just destroyed on the ground.
Speaker 3: Well, it's funny because in one of the trailers they
have I can't even remember his name now, our what
elf character like him like popping off on a troll
and it looked like similar lighting what that sequence was.
So that's where I was like, Ron Deer, I I'm
with you, Taylor. I kind of thought the troll was there,
but it also didn't make sense why he would have
been like why why is why is?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: At are right? Yeah, exactly like his own servants. He's like, yeah,
go fuck them up. I don't. I don't like those guys.
Speaker 2: Everyone has a couple of fast travel scrolls that they
can use the color around.
Speaker 3: Fucking Wong's slippering or whatever the o they're called.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anything on the High King there, Kirkland.
Speaker 3: You I'm not a fan of Gilgallad, Like, I don't
know too much about him other than him just being
the high King of the noldor. I always just thought,
because of the tales that I like read around the
character he was, I just assumed he was like very wise,
all annoying and just like stoic, and I just don't like.
I don't know if I'm assuming it's just like the
material that the actor's working with, but like I'm just like,
I just don't like this guy. I don't like him
as my leader, especially like, you know, to compare to
one of the great shops of all time, like like
our l Ron from Fellowship, like that is a leader
in my mind, just like his his charisma and his
his gravitas that he has when he just like exudes
authority to people, Like I'm not getting that from this
guy at all, substitute teacher, and this is supposed to
be like the high kid. This is like the last
high king of the Noll door, Like this is a
big fucking deal, and I I just I see him
and I'm like, fuck this guy, Like we don't talk
to Gladio that way, Like how dare you? Like, I'm
just not liking what's going on with this character here.
Speaker 1: When they talked about the rings and he was they
were just having get worked about how can save everything
and he's like telling him to take give him the
rings and stuff. I just it's it's it's tough because
this character's not going anywhere they make it to, like.
Speaker 3: He makes it to the last battle of men and
dwarves and everyone.
Speaker 1: This character will be in the entire show. And I
think there was something at least with season one where
I feel like the character was missing a lot because
a lot of the character is left. But with us
staying where we are, there's been a lot of him.
So again I'm just thinking it's like a miscast in
my opinion that maybe that's what it is or what
it's been written. It's just I was hoping for better stuff,
but anytime this character's on screen, I almost kind of
check out. And it's just because they just I think
they've just made him overly generic of like because I
think even as the leader who's doing stuff like against
l Ron or maybe had a problem with glad Real,
you still should find ways to make him understand. Oh,
I get why he's doing this, right, but it just
feels like he's a stick in the mud the whole time.
He's like just to be a jerk for the sake
of being a jerk. And like I said, the same thing,
like they don't talk about in at all about glad
Real calling Sarron's back. It just, oh, it's your fault.
You let him get too close, and now it's because
she says it's like, oh, we're only's position because of you.
It's like you'd be worse off if it wasn't for her,
you know, like at least he has some sort of
information on the situation.
Speaker 3: But it very much feels like like in some of
those scenes, it's like he's like the principle that's like
chastising like a student, and it just this dynamic does
not make any sense to me at all. Especially I
don't know, I'm not supposed to bring in my own,
like previous source material into this story. It's been made
clear this is something completely separate. It's not attached to
the events the fellowship. You know, legally we cannot speak
in that term. But I'm just I'm looking at these
characters and I'm like, man, Galatil is like by far
the oldest and probably the wisest character in this entire room,
Like I I get it, you have yeah, and that
it's not felt at all like she feels like a
fucking young wing sometimes. Yah, it fucking grinds my gears
because I love the actress. I think she's fantastic of
just every scene that she's doing, Like I feel like
she's given it her all, But just what they're doing
with her right now, it's it's it's big, big, uh.
I don't want to see dropping on the ball, but
just it's it's it's not what I was looking forward to,
uh at all. And I think it's like episode maybe
one or two, like when it's focused on that and
that's where throughout the episodes, like I was enjoying the
show more like you know, as I said my overall thoughts,
like where we are at the end of episode three,
I was actually quite pumped. But just like initially, because
we have a lot of Linden scenes, I'm hoping that
going forward we're kind of done with Linden, like we
don't really have much to do, like like the trees healed,
I think we're gonna be spending most of the time
in a reggaeon new minor places like that versus Linden.
So I am hope that gil Galad takes a back
seat in that sense. But you're right, Travis, like he's
gonna be here. He's gonna outlast a lot of these
characters actually in the show, which is gonna be unfortunate.
Speaker 1: Reading their fucking eulogis off singing his song.
Speaker 3: With no like like no uh no, Pizzazz he was
a good man, land Is Vanilla.
Speaker 1: He was good. I shouldn't say that, Yeah, this one is.
But I's taking an ad break. I'll start talking about
some other characters. Will be right back. All right, We're back.
Tell you've been quiet where you wanna go? Do you
want to go with Gandalf in the Hobbits? Do you
want to go with our dwarves? Harfoot? You know the
shire fo they're not even from the shire I guess whatever.
I'm still gonna call the Hobbits. I don't care uh
off in the Hobbit they're both named wrong dwarves. Do
you want to go with the guy who's so mad
that he's stuck with the alpha was sucking his mom?
Speaker 3: Where you so mad?
Speaker 2: Just look at him?
Speaker 3: You're not my father? Like he's just just so much for.
Speaker 5: This poor elf.
Speaker 4: I just want to slide one more quick thing kler
Brinbore like.
Speaker 1: I just I look at twice you've done that.
Speaker 5: Now that's twice, reminds me.
Speaker 3: I'm not sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's call them high Kings. The titles are easier way.
That's how I don't screw up.
Speaker 2: With the guy who played multiple men in the X.
Speaker 1: Three Eric Dane. No, don't don't put that on Eric Dane.
Eric Dane's better looking then here.
Speaker 3: Eric Dane looks part like Janny Datum than Gil Galla does.
Speaker 5: Yeah, got the same like hairline going on?
Speaker 1: Got I wish you got Eric Dane is on, you know,
getting with those long locks him.
Speaker 6: Great, but yeah, so where do I want to go now?
Speaker 1: Talk about the elve with his adopted son.
Speaker 4: Help with the adopted son, Yeah no, I kin'd I
can't remember that guy's name, but either just having this
fire burial, mourning thing, cremation and he walks up.
Speaker 1: To the motherfucker.
Speaker 4: Yeah give me that, puts his like hand on the
sun with the son, nudges out of the way, and
like adopts the seal door as his father.
Speaker 3: I feel like just.
Speaker 5: A weird dynamic all around with all this.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of and you missed it. He didn't
give him the torch. Remember he took it. He took
How awkward has that funeral been for everybody else? This
else having this nice moment he's kissing his body. He
would to give it this such a fucking dude already
he just throws and he walks off, like I already
look at this son character, like man, you could bring
down the show. Quite a bit of this continues because
again it's his mom, but just everything just like you
know my father. Note, well then you're no use of me,
so fuck off because the only thing we had together
is now ash like it's just like I get it,
and they just have this elf just like sad face
all time. But yeah, you're right, he is adopted by
a sealed door. I guess. Yeah. That's the other ones
we haven't talked about, is all the new newmaneer Man
and stuff, so newmnorians where they are, Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, seeing all the dynamics here they're unfolding between this
elf character, the sun and then yeah, the sealed door.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: The elf character and.
Speaker 4: His his romance and the Sun was not a story
I really cared much for in the first season. I
thought it was cool when the Sun found this like
a this this Blade of Mordor type deal.
Speaker 3: I thought that was really really cool.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't think he serves much of a
purpose now, like he's flexing that he did more for
Adar than anyone else did because he's got little holes
on his arm.
Speaker 3: Uh wherever we want that like that, like.
Speaker 5: That I've done more than you guys.
Speaker 4: I just feel like he's he's spent, Like he doesn't
have anything else that he can really commit to the
story now or contribute, I should say.
Speaker 3: So that's where I feel with his character.
Speaker 4: I don't need to have him in this this stepfather
relationship dynamic with with the Alf.
Speaker 3: That's useless.
Speaker 4: I think the Elf could be served better by actually
trying to fight and try to do something justified and
like make a make a a proper heroic rebound from
regards to his lover that died and rebound.
Speaker 3: He's doing that though, right he's helping out like.
Speaker 2: The village reluctantly.
Speaker 4: I don't even know if he's helping out the village
because like he saves a seal door and then he
starts walking off. I felt like he might as well
just said, look at it. You like he saved him,
what else are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: Save him?
Speaker 3: Sam?
Speaker 5: I felt like he was.
Speaker 4: I feel like he's gonna ask a seal door for
like payment too after saving him.
Speaker 3: I don't know, just felt like.
Speaker 2: Help he saved him just enough, like hey, they took
my horse, and he's like, I don't give a shit
about your horse. That's good enough, dude.
Speaker 1: I just love when they were back in town and
there's like a solid five minute scene of the Elf
just talking to the sun. That son's paying no attention
to it whatsoever, but they're just talking. They're holding bags,
they're moving along, he's just giving them all his wisto
and then just like, leaning the fuck alone, you just
used to sleep with my mom, Like I don't give
a shit about you. I was just like, well, very well,
you know, like I am curious what happens with him,
but yeah, I don't have much interest in him him
going forward, but I feel like we're gonna see him
a few more times. Maybe we'll give us something to
chew on. I'm not that also enthralled with the seal
Door storyline right now. I did like the reveal of
that lady he was taking a liking to had that
mark on her back or neck, and she like Brandon
as like, okay, that's that's fun. But I don't know,
it's tough for me to invest in a seal door
knowing what happens.
Speaker 5: To you, you know, like it's I don't know if that,
like her mark was necessary.
Speaker 4: Well, they all pledged allegiance to artists, so that's definitely
not a good thing for them, because if you don't,
you get fucking shanked.
Speaker 1: Really, But was this like I am sure all against
her will, but was against me? Like she just did
it to go along with it.
Speaker 5: Or was she Like I think most of them have
did do that.
Speaker 3: And again.
Speaker 4: We know that the killing people haul Brand got his people, well,
Saron got his people freed, right, which again, good guys, Saron,
free my people, and.
Speaker 5: I'll help you good nature. Arda agreed and free the people.
Speaker 4: So that's why it makes sense like she's Brandon, but
she's out there roaming around, but it seems like she
denounces it or she's either hiding it and is on
like a secret mission trying to fuck them up, which
I hope that's not the case.
Speaker 3: I hope she is.
Speaker 4: Genuinely just rescinding her vow to Arda and it's just
like burning that flesh scar off of there so she doesn't.
Speaker 3: Have to worry about it. Because I got good vibes.
Speaker 4: From her, And if she really wanted to kill him,
then she could have killed him.
Speaker 5: She doesn't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think they talked about how he is really
connected right to the lineage, because she know how important
he is. Like I'm just trying to see, like what
gain would she have if she is a spy? Is
there any kind of advancement that and benefit she would
have to being with him?
Speaker 1: I don't know. If she knows what the elf kind
of gave that away because remember they say something about
the dad like he's like, oh he left, but like
he'll be back for you, and they never leave their people.
So you're right. If she doesn't know the lineage, then
you're fine. But if she knows of that, then it's
oh fuck, this guy is a seal door, you know,
like maybe there could be some use to him. And
I just feel like for the dramatic beats of the show,
she should probably know. Like, I think that's something that
I'll play into it. You know, maybe she gives him
up for something I don't know that's true.
Speaker 3: Now, a seal door does have kids eventually, right, well.
Speaker 1: He asked, Yeah, we got to get to the all
the airs.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, legally this is not connect.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, so he might not in this one, he
might not. He might destroy the ring, you know, which
I did. I did laugh at Almost in every episode
they had Eldron saying the warings must be destroyed, so
it was like, Okay, I see you had a couple
of those like lines, but uh yeah no, maybe this
is still there ends up being here on on a
fucking cow.
Speaker 5: Aron's the one who's.
Speaker 1: I want my ring this time that gets the.
Speaker 3: Galadriel's finger for it steals hers.
Speaker 2: I think Astro was her named the girl who is
sealed door teams up with there. I I'm I'm trying
to pieced all together, Like, none of it really makes
sense to me yet, so I'm curious, but I am
I am intrigued to see where it goes because I
just think about the whole plot going on there where
she stabs him in the leg, okay, and then buddies
up with him. Okay, that makes sense. They stumbled across
across this guy, and that's why I'm not sure. I like, Okay,
was she part of this this whole plot and the
idea was to lead him to this guy? They would
kill him. I guess it would just kill him in
the I'm not really sure what their plan is from there,
because at that point she probably wouldn't have known who
he is. But then he's the one who's like, hey,
we should feed this guy. Give me that.
Speaker 4: She kept saying, let's go right like she didn't want
to stay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, and then he insists that she gives him
foods and that that's the reason why he gets close
to him and then he gets tricked, So it makes
me think that she didn't have anything to do with that.
But then when I was watching that scene Taylor, the
one at the end when she unbrands herself to me,
at first I was like, Okay, well, she is clearly
just doing that to like continue being a spy and
this whole thing was a ruse and like it doesn't
really make a whole lot of sense. But at the
same time, I feel like any of these followers wouldn't
want to remove that brand, even though like shroud themselves.
They would just make sure that it can never be
visible to another person. So yeah, the more we even
just just hearing your theory, Taylor really throws mine off
because I'm realizing how fragile my theory is of like
what she's doing or what her plot is there, or
like who she would even be working with that isn't
just like one of these random like savage boy dudes
that are living in the woods together and getting boys.
Speaker 1: They had the word for them, are my nasty boy.
I was like, what did you do to my people?
Why they call the nasty boys? Oh, they're having kids
now and everything.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess I really loved that quick It
was a quick sequence, but I really liked watching around
her fuck up all these all these men. I thought
that was a really fun fights. He just shows how
great of a fighter he is. I I I remember
not loving everything from around your storyline, But as a character,
I think he's He's got a real presence to him,
Like I'm intrigued by the character, and so it was
cool to see him get to pop off a little
bit there. But yeah, the rest of the Sealed Door stuff,
he's so much of a dufist, and I just don't
I don't know, like maybe I should be expecting that,
but I just feel like Lord of the Rings in
general as an ip like doesn't have a lot of
dufices to me, Like you'll have Gamely who's like cracking jokes,
and like definitely in the Hobbit it gets more dufisy,
but it's not really my I guess preferred cup of
tea when it comes to Lord of the Rings the
one field door yet, but hopefully he gets to a
more interesting spot.
Speaker 1: Right Like would Pippin be in the classified du fis
category as well too?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that I would say anything of our
characters are actually dufices.
Speaker 1: How many trouble they get into the ring they touched.
Speaker 2: Stool and being a dufis though okay, like a seal
there is just kind of like a bumbling little dufist,
whereas I feel like Mary, he's just like.
Speaker 1: Child like even these three episodes, it's like he gets
sad in the leg he falls in that trap and
just like this, this guy's gonna be the king. Oh I
got me again?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I don't know. I I'm pretty pretty in
the middle on the sealed door right now. I personally,
I feel like I don't really need him like much
in this show. Like I'm completely fine if they would
have just left him in or it's like a last
scene to me, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like bring him in right like, oh okay, and
then that's cool when he's like almost ready.
Speaker 3: But I like, I have nothing against a sealed door.
Maybe you know to the fact that he stole the
ring for himself and of course a lot of people.
You know, we can't talk about that right now because
that doesn't happen yet.
Speaker 1: He could kill a lot of people. This dude, this guy,
you look at him, he would be a guy that
wouldn't give up the ring.
Speaker 3: That's what we're saying, you know, yeah, and like I
don't know, it's just like the subplot of like him
feeling guilty for like his mom dying like no one
knows that, like it was because of me, like all,
like I just don't need this, Like I would rather
be with the anatar right now, just having him corrupt everyone,
like you know, like I I just think that we
could shave off I mean, Travis, I think it was
you that mentioned like you're fine with shaving off some
of the Adur stuff right like just there's certain areas
of the show. I feel like you could really trim
down everything.
Speaker 1: With him and for me, I know we we and
you especially like New Minor and everything. Get rid of
everything going on on right now there in my opin
with the Blind Queen with the Eagle, like you.
Speaker 3: Get rid of numenor you've told no, not get rid.
Speaker 1: Of that, get rid of the storylines going on there.
You told me because you know, like I have not
read the books a long time, so take your refer
You told me the eagles are so important, so God
like they only come down for the most important points
of history in Middle earth. They're coming down to ignite
fucking eyebrows mackey, guys, my egel pens working like they
come down like god, he's the king gone. Then they
fly away.
Speaker 5: Misconception.
Speaker 4: I like you could tell the eagle was like, Okay,
you guys aren't picking up what I'm putting down.
Speaker 1: Like why is the eagle coming down to give his
opinion on this person? Should be like to me, that
didn't truck. Yeah, no, I don't like anything happening at
numenor right now. It's all. It's all stuff that I
could skip the next time I rewatched the show.
Speaker 4: It's not pallenteer geated like this thing just obviously like
popped off in this eagle.
Speaker 3: I feel like they're powerful.
Speaker 1: All well, I think.
Speaker 4: Then the eagle landed and realized like what the fuck
are you guys doing?
Speaker 5: Because it like Feneral or whatever.
Speaker 4: The fucking guy Parion Pharizon Pharizon, he goes like what
the fuck are you guys doing?
Speaker 3: And it just left.
Speaker 1: But that's why I just he'll just leading, oh ship,
this problem, this is a problem. Why didn't even come?
It's I just didn't like it. It just didn't make
sense for me.
Speaker 3: I have no idea why that, why that eagle was
there that maybe that's something in the book. I do
not remember that at all. I I I didn't even
know they really had much dealings with the Orians like
around this time. I feel like I just know them
as kind of an ally to our forces of good,
like they they popped up in like the major battles
obviously in in the the Return of the King era,
but also in like the War of Wrath, like when
our forces are fighting against more goth Like they're just
kind of always an ally to our good guys. I
just was really surprised that it was there on the balcony,
And I guess I just don't know much about like
the history of Numenor, like they seem like it was
a sign of like the heavens, like the eagles are
choosing Farison. I did not get that much at all
in that moment to speak on just what's going on
with Numenor right now. I don't mind it. I just
feel like it's fast for us to already be at
this level of discourse where it's like a civil war
already happening in Numenor, and like, yeah, like minor spoiler
but like like Saraon's not even there yet, and like
this is already happening, Like like like what's gonna happen
if he eventually gets there and like actually starts corrupting people?
Like I, I do like the fact that throughout the
world we are seeing just the effects of like this
evil rising in the world right like cause of doom
is starting to just like cave in numonorians are just
like at each other's throats. But I just feel like
it's really fast to already be like making claims for
the throne at this point in time. It just feels
really fast, especially that we haven't even really seen much
newman or so far in this season, and in the
first episode we really go there, they're already like about
to overthrow the queen. Like I I, I just it
feels really fast to me, And I'm curious what the
next episode is going to look Like they were there.
Speaker 1: Last season though, right, so you'll stop. So I wonder
if they could backtrack and say, like he did a
little something while he was there, left a little you
a piece of himself, and that started a.
Speaker 3: Don't like that what he was doing when he was there, well,
he was hal brand right, like he was just still
that persona like he was he was like the King
of the Southlands. And then and then he was traveling.
Speaker 1: He took a dump in someone's backyard and just let
it fester the whole.
Speaker 6: Time, you know.
Speaker 3: So he's working on Gladril, that's what he was doing.
Speaker 1: He was, Yeah, Yeah, he is.
Speaker 2: Any thoughts, No, I I just times to what you said, Travis.
I'm not not digging it so far, and I hope
it gets a little bit more interesting. But yeah, I
think I was more intrigued with it in the first
season when we had some of our key players there.
And now what you're just leaving me with like the
scraps and then we're like trying to make a new
storyline with the scraps that are there without adding any
like new compelling characters. So yeah, hopefully it picks up,
because I've been hearing a lot about this new minor place,
you know, and it's got to live up to the hype.
Same thing just looks pretty, you know, made me to
hype for Newmanor.
Speaker 3: So I got to get a very significant place, right
Ara Gorn's peoples from like like that's a big deal.
Speaker 2: All of like in there anymore. You know, he's over
in a parlor guar hanging out with some other people.
Speaker 3: And gear f.
Speaker 4: Apparently because Muriel is the blind queen right, Apparently an
eagle had appeared at the coronation of her father becoming king.
So I guess the eagle was appearing here for her coronation,
but the cousin guy just.
Speaker 3: Took advantage of the chaosity. Yeah, that's a wild clay.
Speaker 5: He's here for me.
Speaker 3: It's actually so much funnier if that is the case.
Speaker 5: Eagles just like.
Speaker 3: What the fuck is going on here?
Speaker 1: Any peasant could get them, like trying to set from
I remember the eagle when I.
Speaker 2: Was a child, give as I'm out here, Just give
me my money and I'm out of here, Like.
Speaker 1: That's either nowhere, Lord of the Rings, Like we gave
up on the Middle Earth. They fucking sucked down there.
That fact wh you had, was that from like show
wiki or book.
Speaker 5: Wiki about the the The Greens Father. Yeah, not actual wiki.
It was just a quoted comment.
Speaker 1: Okay, so it's from the show, Okay, So yeah again,
I just I just never had in my mind that
the eagles came down to get involved in political side
of things, and I don't.
Speaker 4: And then Minor is different, right because New Minor has
much more, don't they have like more of like a
close affinity with the Valor.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, like yeah, they're the origins of New Minor
are very like Elf influenced, like el Ron's dad was
the first king of Numanor actually l Ros and like
throughout the years. Obviously now like Farison is saying, like
he's basically saying like we don't trust Elf artifacts, like
it's very distance from what the actual origin of that are.
And I think actually in episode three, what is the
gentleman's name, Valan Deal like a seal Door's buddy from
the first season when he's when he's interfacing with those
guys in the courtyard, he's about to scrap, yeah, he said.
He says something like a prayer, like something along the
lines of like the may the Force be with you,
but like may the Valor always be watched, just like
something in like those lines, like he still is loyal
to the Valar. Where it makes me think that like
el Farison and like those crew are very anti against that.
So I think we'll be seeing more of that in
this season of just the split in that, especially just
their beliefs of what you said, like the Tide to
the Valor and things like that.
Speaker 5: Do you see the instruction of Newmanor this season?
Speaker 3: No follow New Minor, it's coming. Well, we'll get that
before gil Galla does. I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 5: Season a lot of visions of it.
Speaker 2: They'd be kind of crazy to foreshadow of that in
season one and then not do it now.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like I said, we're already like halfway through the season
pretty much, so.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think we get it this season.
I think we're getting because we're getting the Aragian stuff. Yeah,
I I future like it will happen in the show
at some point, but I don't think right now. Let's
it gets canceled.
Speaker 2: Let's gets canceled.
Speaker 3: Fucking Eagles, ma'am, like the accolade waiting on those those
storylines to to keep going.
Speaker 1: I think this will at least get it season three. Well,
let's see. Well, I'm not gonna say for sure, I'm
gonna say they'll do it, but I'm weighing this.
Speaker 2: Like hyped about this upcoming season. People that were like
into the first season, and.
Speaker 1: I just feel like when you start to get those
memes going, that's when the tie we saw with that act,
like that's when the tide starts to turn. When you
start when the show starts to get made fun of,
that's when I saw those baby Orc means like this
isn't good, this is not what this is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, cute baby Orc merch you know, pull the Disney Yeah,
like you gotta have a cute little creature in twenty property.
Speaker 1: There's like two types of memes. There's like that you're
in on the joke and you're not on the joke,
and that's it's just like you don't want that for
your show, and because that will deter people. But and
I think for Ga, I think for some people, unless
you love all of the rings, it is tough because
it moves so slow. I can see so many people
being And that was what happened last season, right was
it was midway point and then it like dropped big time.
People just gave up on the show because I think
it just was the I think the problem is because
even when I pulled up the IMDb again, all the
trailers are like show meteors crashing things and battles, Like
all the previews for the show is look at all
these battles and like signs fiction or like fantasy stuff
going on. But when you get the show it has
some of that, of course, but like even like, like, yah,
if I've talked about him, right, there's I'm sure in
the trailer looks great when he throws on his staff
and it's a big sandstorm and whatnot, But the actual
show is just kind of like, oh, a moment to
take out a few guys where if like in the
trailers they make them look like, wow, it's gonna be
this huge set piece, and I'm still I still like
those characters. I find it funny that the hard feet, like, man,
did they grow up into you like they were Like
I don't. I don't even want to say how old
they were. I just felt like they were young adults
and the show started. Now it's like, oh, these are
just like young ladies. Like it was just odd. It
was like, man, what we've been traveling for a while.
I found it very odd because I actually really liked
them in season one. I liked their friendship, so I
think it was a con for me in season one
when they split up, it was it's Nori and who's
her friend Poppy. I was like, Oh, that's a bummer.
Why did they slit them up like keep themgither and
then just episode one or whenever they introduced it was like,
actually Poppy's back and we're just hanging out. So it's like, okay,
same thing as like the finale with Sar and going
to Mortar. It's like that didn't really pay off, But
I'm glad they're together and this is a storyline. I
still got a wait and see because I feel like
if the show goes on for five seasons, I think
every season, Gandalf's gonna be traveling somewhere doing some little task,
Like he's gonna be like the Denaris of Lord of
the Rings where it's not till like the final seasons
where oh Danny finally gets to come to Westros to
meet all the other characters. Like I feel like Gandalf's
gonna be side Quest City for seasons and seasons. And
there's things I like about that, there's things I don't.
I'm still confused about he had, Like I guess they're
trying to say now that he's remembering some things and
he's been to certain situations before, but it's odd where
he's supposed to be almost like a character with amnesia,
but he's always giving them like words of wisdom. It's like, well,
this doesn't make sense. How you don't it? But now
I kind of see where they're going with it, So
that one's like a I like it so far, but
it's more way and see. And then my last point
is they have that I don't know what is he
the evil? What's that guy? Uh? Who the guy that
played the devil in ghost Rider season or Ghostwriter too too?
He's in the show, is like the Yeah, the Dark Wizard,
the Dark Wizard. So I just love He's like, well,
I send one of my like whever he says apostles
or assistance. There's that tracker guy, right, he's a gold
bask actly. Yeah. So he's like, I sent one of
my acolytes after Gandalf, you know, prayer phrasing. What makes
you think you could take him out? And he's like,
well he has, you know, horror fit friends, and I'm
gonna use them as sausages. And the Dark Wizard's like,
oh my god, Like I just say his genius. It
reminds me it's played off in a genuine way. In the
Dark Night, when the Goons go to Joker, they said,
what's the plan? And Jokers, well, we kill the Batman.
Everyone laughs at him, and Joker's dead serious. And this
was the reversal of that where it's just like, it
feels like the Dark Wizard's not in on the joke,
and it just was very odd that that's his plan
to take off gandoff is while we're gonna kidnap these
hobbits or these halflings, and so I like what's going on,
but I'm not in love with it yet. We'll see.
I still actually like the actor playing Gandalff though, m hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I I really enjoyed that that whole the sequence
in all three episodes. I don't think there's a whole
lot for me to break down, honestly, but I I
just love a good travel sequence, especially when so much
of those seem to be just automatic fast travel in
this show. I like that we're just having a sequence
of traveling through the beautiful lands. You know, a little
thing here there that stops them in their tracks and
they got to solve it. And then the situation with
these people following them. We'll see how that goes in
terms of like that villain clan going after them and
how intriguing that ends up being. But even if it's
just like I don't know, a little tension to add
onto their travel sequence, that's fine for me too. I
really like that sequence where Gandalf goes down. They take
them to the water well, and just like for me
that that was really good tension there of just like
that well and the thing smashing that thing over and
over again. It's just it's so much more aggressive than
it needs to be to get that idea across that
they're making noise. But to me, it like almost worked
on like a horror movie, like, oh shit, they're gonna
get caught here. So I really like that whole sequence.
I really like just the how uncontrolled he is with
his powers, but how powerful they can potentially be. We
saw that with with the Beatles and the food, and
I just it was different than what he expected there.
But then the sandstorm just being like this massive attack that.
Speaker 3: Killed the heart foots. Right, what's that? He killed Nori
and Poppy?
Speaker 2: Yeah they're dead.
Speaker 1: Now if you imagine, so before he just walks, what
have I done? Like he's just there and that's why
he's so dead at the Hobbits and Lord of the
Rings with you, just he feels like he's atoning for
what he did. He goes back to the heartfoots. Where's
my daughter? Oh the dark wizard man, he's a mysterious
man and his accolades.
Speaker 2: Oh god, Yeah, that sequence all good with me?
Speaker 1: You guys got any thoughts or are we scarping?
Speaker 3: I I'm glad that Poppy and uh Nori reunited. They're
honestly my favorite portions about all of my Gandal sequences
that we're getting right now. I don't mind, like our
story coming to Middle Earth, like to do his base,
like basically just do his purpose of helping the forces
of good defeat Souron. I just I don't know, just
just every time we go to them. I wasn't a
fan of the Assassins. I really like the opening sequence
and we go to Ruin and just seeing like that
place because that's never been shown, Like, I really have
very limited knowledge on just what goes on there other
than the armies that come in the events of Return
of the King.
Speaker 2: But especially as someone who's played a shit tone of
the Lord of the Rings risk game and that's always
one of the regions, but you never go there.
Speaker 3: I forgot about, like.
Speaker 2: I don't have no point of reference of what that
place is.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, it was cool to see that and just
just have like a different dark wizard and their little
accolade set up that they have. It's like it's like
a temple or it just feels dark and creepy, and uh,
I liked seeing that location. I don't mind. I don't know.
I say I don't mind, but I feel like I
just maybe I do mind.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty you still don't like that Scandalf, I can say,
I can hear it in your voice, right, is that it?
Speaker 3: There's I was gonna wait for him to finish, but uh,
he's finished, so I got got. I don't know. I
think I'm a lot more accepting of it now, Like
it's it's I.
Speaker 1: Can hear it. You're like a parent who like met
their child's boyfriend or girlfriend, Like I don't like this person,
but you're like, oh, yeah, Timmy's great.
Speaker 3: Like it's it's tricky because like I I like the
idea of him having this early interaction with Hartfoot's and
that kind of like just starts like the spark of
his love for Hobbits by the events, and again they're
not tied legally by any means, but I still just
like that pairing.
Speaker 1: Even the right like they go like he's tied to
the Hobbits, right, And I agree, I like that aspect.
Speaker 3: So I do like that. I've just these because it's
just such a big world with so many big powers
and moving pieces. Just the effect that you know, just
little folks can have on the world, Like that's just
a really that's a big theme overall, just in in
Lord of the Rings, like just it doesn't take much
to have change or put in what the fuck am
I trying to say here? Put change for Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: The size of dog in the fights.
Speaker 3: That sounds better than what I said. But I feel
like all my favorite sequences are with pretty much just
the the chemistry of what the Hartfoots have, like even
just them interacting with our stranger. Some of that is fun.
I theally you point out, just like his wild magic
that he has right now, it's fun, Like I like
just how early it is in his career of being
this wizard. But I just feel like maybe we're spending
way too many sequences with him, And that's wild to
say that since we've only had three episodes, but I
just would rather spend those scenes elsewhere right now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm just still thinking what Taylor said that
they killed him.
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is that scenes they were fucking gone.
They went up into the skies.
Speaker 1: Next week, I'm gonna think about that multiple times a
week of again just.
Speaker 2: Killing When Taylor said the add our skull, fuck sorrow On,
I feel.
Speaker 1: Like sorrow like for this mask. Like he didn't hear
the switch, he didn't know that helmet was coming down
on him.
Speaker 4: And he looked at the ground put his head down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, head on the ground.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say, like, there's an interesting quote here
about Soar on the Circle Pact. Saraon can now just
be sour On like Tony Soprano or Walter White. In
season two, he's evil but complexly evil.
Speaker 3: We felt like we did that.
Speaker 5: In season one. He over shot everything else.
Speaker 4: So the first season is like Batman begins and the
Dark Night is the next movie.
Speaker 5: Sara, this off my screen, me and.
Speaker 1: You're trying to compare Sar and a Batman begins. Everyone's like,
that's the best. Bruce Wayne story out there. We don't
know if I'm fucking about this guy. These writers, my god, oh,
before you go to they did hint Austin gonna get
his staff and they were trying to name him this episode,
which is like.
Speaker 2: Situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't like that. I'm like, what about this
thing you field in your hearts? That's not exactly that works.
I did like when she's like, how about Roderck and
they both like you already said that, like pip, uh,
what's her name again? What's the name again? Poppy? And
again off at the same time again stare like you
already said that, Like so they again, fun little trio there,
but you're getting the staff of the name coming up soon?
Speaker 3: Which name is it gonna be? He needs to be
kend something different. I was really worried that when she said, like, Godrick,
whatever the fuck it was? I like that, and he
just has that for this show because they could do that,
they could change his head.
Speaker 5: Technically, I'll just whip out myth ran deer.
Speaker 1: It's tough because I think this show goes for the
I'm not saying go fancers, but it kind of does.
Like remember Kirkland, you were you were mad last year,
You're like, why is there a ball rock already? At cause?
Do I feel like it's gonna be like a Gundolf
sounds good and it's gonna be like there will be
a chime. I'll be like, it's gottened off. I think
it's gonna I have met many names, but I feel
like Gandalf will be said.
Speaker 3: Okay, what have we got?
Speaker 4: We got m hmm, would you say Kirkland.
Speaker 3: The g name?
Speaker 1: I think we're getting the gen name, said Genie.
Speaker 3: That's in the book. You know the character.
Speaker 4: Lauren apparently his other name he has interesting Lauren Lauren.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh so the heartfoots uh yeah, there this story. I
thought it was cute in the first season, and you know,
we didn't have long enough.
Speaker 1: Time with them. They just put it out there. He
wants them to die in the tornado.
Speaker 4: Like what happens, Like the tornado stops and they fall
five hundred feet down and they land in water crowd
the water, yeah, or big sand like or they're falling
and the ruined soldiers shooting arrows at him or something.
Speaker 1: I was just watching mask it in the air put
a stone, Gandalf like come.
Speaker 2: Spinning them around he's just he's.
Speaker 5: Like, that's my name that.
Speaker 1: He's like turn the sand into like a blender. He's
just ripping them the pieces and everything. No, they just
land somewhere soft, that's easy. They'll land in a bush
somewhere and like, oh my goodness. And maybe it's gonna
be an episode where they're split apart, because I guarantee
the Dark Wizard's gonna have some scene with Gandalf alone,
and Gandalf doesn't have his moral compass to the little people.
He's like, maybe I do want to just fun sit up.
I don't know, Like you know, they're gonna.
Speaker 4: Be the same speech that the old guy gave sour
on you. You keep doing bad things, and you're bad
just becomes your nature nature. I'm not a fan of
the Dark Wizard any of that stuff. Haven't was like
the the eminem hairdoo back, Like, I'm just not a
fan of the Acolytes or Vanilla Ice or whatever the
fuck what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: He had long blonde hairs.
Speaker 2: Talking about Accolyte.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that wasn't good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not a fan of the bad there's you got.
Speaker 1: They got the new assassins now, you know.
Speaker 5: The new Assassins are cool. I like their armor, I
like their look. I think they're super cool to Star Wars.
Speaker 1: For me, they did look a little too.
Speaker 2: And we're also like on some planet kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just.
Speaker 4: Am ready to move on from like the Dark Wizards.
I don't know why they're so focused on like the
East Star, and maybe that's a story that will become
more interesting as we go along, but so far, I'm
not impressed because you already covered Travis, like he's like,
did I waste the blood on you? Like my accolytes
can't even take down this easter?
Speaker 5: What are you gonna do? Like we already said, like.
Speaker 4: Well, well kill the halflings brilliant.
Speaker 5: It's just they're all fucking idiots.
Speaker 4: So I'm just excited for them to get out of
the desert and go find Tom Bombadela.
Speaker 5: I want Bomba in there.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was gonna say, I think we're in the
desert at least for like half the season two, so
I think we're there for a little bit more. Yeah,
I forgot about Tom bomb I can't wait. Fuck you he's.
Speaker 3: Oh God, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1: Ye wait, but Rory here the guy about that he's
played by the guy for Mendol and the guy that
plays all the men and men. Oh fuck yeah.
Speaker 4: It's interesting to see where he does come in though,
if he comes in with calor Brimbore, Like, oh, I
guess here you're making some rings or at the.
Speaker 3: Fud I forgot. I so forgot that was a part
of the show. Oh no, I'm worried for that time.
Speaker 4: Tom.
Speaker 2: Where do you think we'd see him?
Speaker 3: Like, I have no idea. That's that's what I.
Speaker 1: Could be more wooded area in my opinion, I I
I guess, but I just been like because Ganof's on
the woods right now, So I mean like when Gandalf
and them get to some woods, that's when Tom's gonna
pop up.
Speaker 4: We've seen like the Black Forest or the the Orcs
are and Ardas. Maybe he's hiding around.
Speaker 1: That for us, no one survives in there.
Speaker 3: What's my beef with it? Travis, I just don't trust
the show to do a good right character at all,
because like the character Tom Bombadil, it's like it's like
a like a legend amongst the Tolkien universe, not even
just the Lord of the Ring story, because like the
character was literally just made. I think from like Tolkien
and his brother just had this idea for a character
like throwing this universe. That's just it's like a character
out of time that just is is there that no
one really has explanations for. Like there's just so many
theories out there on really what the origin this character is,
and the answer is just like there is no answer.
It's just like more or less an easter egg type
character that like Tolkien had, And I don't know people
like people might have different theory like views than me
on this character, and I think they're all correct because
it's just like a mystery of a character. And I
just don't want him to be like a plot device,
like a not a plot device, but just a character
that pushes a plot for our story. Because he in
the Fellowship of the Ring. They make a big point
of emphasis in the l Ron Council that like, why
don't we just give the Ring to Tom Bombadilt, But
it's like you can't do that because he just does
not care about any of these main events that would
be going on. He would lose the ring, he would
just he is son. He's so disinterested in everything that's
going in this world. So why do we have to
have He's like, show what is he going to do
in the show to like push it forward?
Speaker 1: But because he could just be interesting character. I feel
like the way you're described And not that I've ever
thought about this, but he sounds almost like Doctor Manhattan
and Watchman where he's the most powerful being but he's
just there right, like he doesn't care about everybody, but
he does about them.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe I just don't know much about Watchmen,
but I feel like he does stuff though, like in
the plot, no talk about does us of himself have sex?
Speaker 1: Well okay, but just that general sense of when they
tell him like there could be a bomb and he's like, well,
there's nothing different, like the matter between a living body
and a dead body. They're the exact same, Like he says,
ship like that where you're like, man, like we're at war,
like you're supposed to care about this, And yeah, that's
the way Tom is. And Hey shout out to people
at play to bat Mill Earth two. Because he was
an OPI character when you could unlock him and he
was in battle, Yeah, you can use him as like
he wasn't a character because you could you start off
with like your lack. He's right like man archers everything,
and then you can buy like your heroes. But then
there's like power ups and he would come up and
he would just like he would do like what skips
and he had like magic around him and yeah, I
think he could do ship like fuck people up while
healing you and stuff. But yeah, he was like a
little He had like a time like he'll be there
for like a minute and a half then go away. Oh,
I guess said next stream, we need to put bus
out of three sixty. We need to bust out the
Ala Miller to get in there. And that's where it started.
My love. I was like, who's this Tom Bombado guy?
And then it's like okay, the rest the rest is
history and that makes it time.
Speaker 3: Who does in the game, Tom Bombado? Tom, you better
be doing some crazy songs in the show. I hope
I at least enjoy the performance. I just am really
worried that it's gonna be like he's riding in on
the fucking eagle and he's choosing Farison as the ruler
of neumanor like like sho, no.
Speaker 1: I don't care about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see what happens. See what happens.
Speaker 2: I guess the Dwarves.
Speaker 5: Dwarves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got nothing mad, nothing else on the Father.
Speaker 1: It's not bad, but I'm just yeah, I'm already over
the fault we had it last season. We're still going.
It's gonna keep going. I just I I like the drawers,
but I don't know if I care. I like the
Dwarves in a group. I don't know if I they're
the lowest on tote pole for me as far as
the people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have them quite a bit higher on my
ranking list if I had to do that right now.
I I feel like, because it's just been so long
since I've seen season one, I just kind of forgot
how much I love like these characters and just just
even like Duran interacting with oh my gosh, what was
her name? Desi Diza Diza like that sequence, or the
two Duras interacting or the other durn.
Speaker 1: Which are both Yeah, well all these called one senior
one junior.
Speaker 3: Yeah sure so senior junior junior, like I I I think,
I just yeah, I love seeing cause I do. I
just love the throne rooms. I love seeing like the
guards in their garb. I just getting more like highlights
on the Dwarf in realms is great to see because
it's it's really lacking in my experience of seeing the
films because I have not seen the Hobbits, but I
don't know. It's it's just as as a fan of
like the way Dwarves are in like high fantasy, Like
it's just kind of cool to see these realms and
so all of that I am enjoying. And I really
just like Desis as a character or Diza. You already
messed up her name. I just she's fantastic, Like she
she is so good on on She's my favorite Dwarf
right now, so thin.
Speaker 2: She's taking center stage for the Dwarves like this season,
which is cool because she was definitely, you know, number
two or three behind Duran Junior in the first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: I almost thought that she's getting killed in that one
episode when the earth quake happened, I thought, oh, we're
getting Duran's bane. This's fucking going down.
Speaker 3: She gets poppied, she gets hard footed, right Elson's Hurricane
fighting Duran's Bane in.
Speaker 2: The I know I'm with I'm with Kirkling here. I
really enjoyed all. Well, I'm not gonna say all the
and stuff. I think that the father's son dynamic there
was just maybe a bit like dragging my heels to
get through some of it. I think there's some decent
moments in there, but all overall just like maybe took
a bit too longer than it needed to. But what
I really like is just kind of the lore, the
world building part of it, because a lot of it
did feel almost like Slice of Life, or it has
felt like that like that so far, where there is
this plot where Duran is going to Amering Gion making
a deal with Calibri Board to trade and mythrill for rinks,
so like that, that's a plot that connects with everything
else that makes sense. But then for the most part,
it's just like, Okay, they're dealing with their cave collapsing,
they're losing access to their light, which I really loved
seeing some of that shot, like following those the series
of mirrors through there to see how they get the
lighting on their different crops and even just like the
different points of the city and what it's like when
they lose that and they don't have that light aningmore
and they can't grow their crops. They're gonna have to
go into the reserves. Like all that stuff is really
interesting to me, And I kind of forget if like
the Stone Singer stuff like with Deza and these other
women was part of Like I don't remember that being
a thing in season one. Maybe it was mentioned in Passing,
but I really like that as a lore thing. I
think that's really interesting that like through their like really
strong voices and like what is naturally a place that
is gonna echo a lot, Like they can use that
to try and find new ways through these caves or
like I guess they can like find it through walls
and stuff. Like it's almost like a magical power in
a sense that they can use to navigate through here,
and that's how they determine that, like Okay, we could
blow some holes through there, but then we feel like
the whole thing would crumble down. And I just think
seeing that kind of that dwarf and engineering at work
there through these little conversations. I really liked all that stuff.
And I just once again, the visuals of kuse of
Doom is so fucking awesome all the time, and even
just getting like that little sequence of the one of
the assisting guys, I don't know his name when he's
walking through and in the background, you're just seeing other
Dwarves who are like peddling their wares or tray or
like I presume they're all kind of like, Okay, we're
running low on resources here where we know we're going to,
so they're trying to maybe barter for stuff that they
have a lot of. I just I really liked all
of that, and it's just a place I like to
hang out and exist. So yeah, I really really enjoyed
that whole Dwarven sequence that we got through the different
episodes here.
Speaker 5: Do you have any thoughts on Drawers or No? No,
I'm dwarfed out.
Speaker 1: Second season and Rings of Power, I'm dwarfed out. Guys.
Are you Are you like me where it's like you
like the Dwarves and you just don't need as much
as this stuff, or are you just draw I.
Speaker 4: Like them, but I'm kind of with you, Like I
feel like the dynamics that we've seen so far with
them has just been the same from season one. I
wish that we got to expand more on them dealing
with Calibrimbore.
Speaker 1: I feel like I just think that's what we're getting
to at least, like yes.
Speaker 4: And I'm excited for that. That's what I really want
to explore more. And that relationships also seeing like King
Duran like out and about that's fucking huge and I
wish that they emphasized that a little bit more. I mean,
he's bringing the mea thrill to them. But it was
such a quick cut scene. We got more of them
singing in the caverns and the earthquakes and then like
like angry you like I'm not my son should apologize
to me and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's like, well we have well with his hands there
was what was Duran doing while he's had in this.
Speaker 5: Commerce listers on their hands?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Which moving forward Palace House. Yeah, And that's why even
when I said, like I don't have much to add
on it, that's why I'm still wouldn't cut it though,
because I think all the drawers and the characters will
lead to hopefully good things and good interactions. Like it's
already fun seeing them interact with sarro on calibrin Borne
stuff where that's where like with add Art, it's like
I don't need him anymore, right, we can move on.
Even the stil word's like I don't really need him anymore.
But with the drawers like cold. I know I'm saying,
there's Kirkland and Dylan, Like I love seeing that stuff.
But it's like I feel like I got my fill
of cause of Doom and season one, so like I
don't need and I really just don't need any more
scenes of him his wife pickering anymore. Like it's just
like some people I get might like it. I just like,
it's just all I did in season one. So here
we are again the kids. We didn't season one.
Speaker 4: Queens, did we see him in the first season?
Speaker 1: We didn't season one? They meet out Ron, Yeah, they
meet out Ron and stuff, which that that was fun
when he likes An's like, oh he spoke so high
live and Duran's like he said nothing to you. And
then when they walk out, he's like he's lying. He's like,
what do you mean he's lying? And he's like, Aaron
wouldn't say a single thing like that about me, like
as far as a compliment everything. So again, I like
that dynamic and I'm excited to see Aeron back with
during at some point because they that's probably the best stuff.
And even I will say the guy's playing l Ron.
I'm liking him more this season than last season. I
still think sometimes they make him a little too just
just react like he just he does a lot of
reacting and a lot of like smiling or a sad face.
But I remember being a little harder on in season one.
So far, I'm liking him a bit more. Maybe because
I've give him some urgencies. He's like the only elf
that wants to fucking do something, So maybe that's why I.
Speaker 4: Just realized the big con I have that It was
when Sarahon was coming out of the fir and flames.
Speaker 3: There of the forge and he.
Speaker 4: Looks like color Brimbor and he says, you could be
the Lord of the Rings. I was like, Fuck, that's
way too on the nose.
Speaker 3: That's not great.
Speaker 1: I think, don't they do They not drop that line
in the actual Leatherings trilogy though in the book.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's like that.
Speaker 4: Sarahmon says or No Gandal says, there's only one Lord
of the Ring, which fits, but he does not share.
Speaker 1: Well, technically he would if this all worked out, he
would be the Lord of the Rings. I'm not saying
you have to like the line. I'm just saying, like it.
It could track, you know, like it.
Speaker 2: Speaks to a man's ego right there. It sure does.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh yeah, I like that Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: Anything else but half an hour cowfun. I'm just like
drinking his wine, like yes, anything we haven't let me
look through it notes anything touch by.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my last thing. It's not even there's no discussion
we had, but just a lot of Mount Dew, a
lot of volcano action going on in it. I mean
quick shots, but we're bubbling up to something, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: I love the shots of just it in the background
and like in the distance of just as you said,
something's bubbling, something nefarious is.
Speaker 1: Smoking see them lies and even the.
Speaker 2: Parts were like the laugh of a kind of crust
over and it almost looks like an eye the eye. Yeah,
I like all the imagery that we got.
Speaker 1: That they've said. Episode three. I was in shock when
the Cleat and the Queen region just took that slap
from like a random some vilion or like, oh yeah,
I get what they're trying to do. That seems like
I sey paint too, and they hug they both lost it,
But I was like, I don't know that would fly.
I think that one would be executed at least the hand.
But yeah, walk right up. How could help you? Yeah,
I can't help me, Just like you left the open
palm slapped for I was like, whoa, what a way
to go? And yeah, well see I couldn't. I didn't
get that far into it. Were they hiding the fact
that she was blind? Right and I remember that wrong?
Or did the public know that she was blind?
Speaker 5: I don't know if the public knows.
Speaker 3: I thought I thought it was a secret if I remember.
Speaker 1: I just feel like with what we saw, they ain't
doing a good job. They're letting her walk backwards. They're
letting her like look at people that are like it's
just I feel like maybe they did catch on this
episode because with the you know, the new Eagle King
was like she's full of lies. But I don't know.
I just feel like they're not doing a good job
of keeping that secret. But you know, who knows. That's
all my notes. So it was just a slap took me.
I was very surprised.
Speaker 4: I remembered one more line from Sarah and when he
about to be free with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah go back. Yeah, I didn't get it. We had
a whole hour on sore on.
Speaker 4: You know, I just didn't get it out when Adar
is like, oh, you know, pledge your allegiance to me
and Sarah and he's on the ground and he's you know,
he's that sneaky little dog. He's like, I pledge my
allegiance to the Lord of Mordor.
Speaker 5: Truly, I'll use slice son of a gun.
Speaker 1: And then there's a cut. Yeah, there's a cut scene
of Ada I just like, say my name, I need
my name, and like, all right, I'll say it, you know.
But for the show, he didn't anything else any more
notes there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, give me another ten minutes.
Speaker 3: I could find one.
Speaker 1: Sure, let's circle back to the tornado. Yeah, yeah, so
that's pretty much it. I don't think in the future,
other than the finale, these reviews will be this long.
We had a lot to cover three episodes three and
a half hours, so a combination of us will be
here weekly for the next two weeks. What do you have,
dam what.
Speaker 3: A lot of character death to this episode?
Speaker 1: Yeah, tons of characters. So but yeah, there'll be a
combination of us here every week to cover this and yeah,
let us know if we have a whole discord channel
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Or hey, what do you think about this? What do
you got over there? Chuckles.
Speaker 3: I'm just laughing at your uh, your lament to get
uh what the fuck is it called? Lament to Gollum?
Speaker 1: I see the line and.
Speaker 3: Great way to end.
Speaker 1: You're going to van that's gonna because it's such a
weird fucking song. It's two towers. It's a minute of
just like great music. And then I see them live
and it's just like who who did come in? Like
it's a very unique voice. It's just like it's it's
quite a choice. It's quite a choice. But yeah, hopefully
maybe in the penultimate episode of this show they get
her back and she gets another diddy out there.
Speaker 3: You know, it'll be the bump.
Speaker 1: That's wo scenes he sings it. It's where he speaks
in song. I say it. I'm all right, let's end this.
It's late lady, and thank you very much for tuning in.
We'll be back next week and we Promise you it
will not be boring.