Speaker 1: A lot of people were very angry about what you said, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: did you get to hear.
Speaker 2: About course, of course you told me about it.
Speaker 3: Did you regret having spoken your bed?
Speaker 4: Not at all.
Speaker 2: I was speaking the truth.
Speaker 4: Pearl is a Hasidic woman who put my YouTube channel
Speaker 4: on the map. From my first visit with her, a
Speaker 4: tour of her home. Viewers loved her and asked for more,
Speaker 4: and we gave them more. Her fan base grew as
Speaker 4: she shared about how she got engaged with the help
Speaker 4: of matchmakers nearly sixty years ago, how she responded when
Speaker 4: her son left the Ascitic community, about head covering and
Speaker 4: head shaving, and motherhood and faith. Then she surprised me
Speaker 4: by sharing on camera some things that I expected would
Speaker 4: make her very unpopular, that is her views on the
Speaker 4: Holocaust and Israel as an anti Zionist Sometimore woman. But
Speaker 4: Pearl insisted on sharing, and indeed many on YouTube were
Speaker 4: very angry. It's been a year since that conversation. I
Speaker 4: sat down again with Pearl for a different subject now,
Speaker 4: to document the very interesting Hasidic wedding traditions. That's a
Speaker 4: separate video. But before we launched into our conversation about weddings.
Speaker 4: We did a little catch up. I ask her how
Speaker 4: she feels since she alienated so many in her enormous
Speaker 4: fan base.
Speaker 3: Pearl, I'm so happy to be talking to you again.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to be seeing you again.
Speaker 3: How have you been since our last discussion?
Speaker 5: Oh don't esk, I became like the most hated person.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what it is in our world today.
Speaker 5: The idea of reward and punishment.
Speaker 2: Is very very unpopular.
Speaker 5: People are you know, they get their hackles up, especially
Speaker 5: for adults. If you're raising little children, you know you
Speaker 5: do use the idea of reward in bunation, but once
Speaker 5: you're an adult. But the Toida is very much based
Speaker 5: on we were in punishment. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 5: Hashem tells us explicitly in the Toilter, without any holds barred,
Speaker 5: what will happen if we don't keep his mitsress and
Speaker 5: no surprises here. We are told exactly what will happen
Speaker 5: to the Jewish nation if they don't keep the mistress
Speaker 5: of the tide.
Speaker 2: No surprises here.
Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, we always always say in
Speaker 5: Mina twini, because of our sins, we know this.
Speaker 3: It's a very famous refrain it is.
Speaker 5: Because it's the truth. But if you tell this to
Speaker 5: the world at large or even secular people, they get
Speaker 5: so angry about this because you're gonna tell me the
Speaker 5: holocausts because of the Jews. Anti Semitism is because of
Speaker 5: the Jews. You know, they have this interesting picture of
Speaker 5: the God.
Speaker 2: Is all good. He is. But if we are not
Speaker 2: all good, and.
Speaker 5: If we don't listen to them, if we don't follow
Speaker 5: the toyle, Hashem takes himself off the scene.
Speaker 2: He removes his divine presence.
Speaker 5: From the world sometimes, as we saw by the Holocaust.
Speaker 4: Here. I want to pause to add a correction that
Speaker 4: Pearl asked me to make. She says Hashem removes his
Speaker 4: divine presence, but that this statement is problematic because Husham
Speaker 4: never removes his divine presence. The world would cease to
Speaker 4: exist if he did. Rather, he turns his divine presence
Speaker 4: away from us.
Speaker 2: It's called punishment, but it's very unpopular. So I'll let
Speaker 2: us say it.
Speaker 6: Because at the previous conversation we talked about the Holocaust
Speaker 6: being essentially punishment.
Speaker 3: Is that fit to say?
Speaker 6: It?
Speaker 3: Isn't that victim blaming.
Speaker 2: Maybe the victim did something.
Speaker 3: Who is the who are the actors in the Holocaust.
Speaker 5: So the Ibish does not want us to rebel the
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty years leading up to the Holocaust
Speaker 5: with the Masquelen, with the simulation an actual conversion to Christianity.
Speaker 5: That was us not listening to him, not doing what
Speaker 5: he wants us. We are a people who have a mission,
Speaker 5: and we know what our mission is and we can't rebel.
Speaker 5: And if we rebel, and datoyta it says what exactly
Speaker 5: will happen? So who we all have only ourselves to blame?
Speaker 5: And speaking of Zionism, the whole idea of Zionism especially,
Speaker 5: I have to say something about the Palestinian people. Last
Speaker 5: time I go. I think that people are very angry
Speaker 5: at me because I said the Palestinian people.
Speaker 2: Are not part of the equation.
Speaker 5: And what I meant to say with that was that
Speaker 5: even if the land would today be a free land,
Speaker 5: nobody would be living in it would be an absolutely
Speaker 5: unpopulated area. We could not take this for ourselves before
Speaker 5: Micheir comes.
Speaker 3: So what was your.
Speaker 5: I said, they're not part of the equation, but I
Speaker 5: meant to say it was there even if they wouldn't
Speaker 5: be there, it'd been no Palestinian people there. We cannot
Speaker 5: take Israel by force for ourselves and make it our land.
Speaker 2: It's a call.
Speaker 5: There was a rebellion against us, Sham, so you became.
Speaker 6: The most unpopular person because we had this conversation.
Speaker 2: And it's okay.
Speaker 5: I'm repeating it because it's the truth, and we have
Speaker 5: to know our people have to know that anti Semitism
Speaker 5: has more to do with us than the anti Semites.
Speaker 5: Our behavior, especially today because of the wars. The normal
Speaker 5: response from a yid is to feel sorry for another
Speaker 5: yea and to and to and to be very worried
Speaker 5: about what's happening in Israel and to feel for Israel.
Speaker 5: And we do, we do, But Israel is led by
Speaker 5: secular people who have no toyta. There's no hashm by them.
Speaker 5: They don't care about this, and they are the ones
Speaker 5: who are bringing trouble on the all the all the.
Speaker 2: Yidiship people in the world. Anti Senor.
Speaker 5: We thought it was all over when I was growing up,
Speaker 5: there was no antisemitism. We thought it's finished. The world
Speaker 5: now from this Holocaust, that anti Semitism is terrible. All
Speaker 5: of a sudden, wherever you go wherever you people are
Speaker 5: afraid hearing Willysburg.
Speaker 6: How is what you say here so different from blaming
Speaker 6: the victim of let's say domestic violence. An abusive husband
Speaker 6: who abuses his wife, and you say, well, she brought
Speaker 6: it on herself. If she wouldn't have upset him, then
Speaker 6: he wouldn't have abused her.
Speaker 3: How is this so different?
Speaker 6: It's essentially blaming the victim for the actions of a perpetrator.
Speaker 2: No, if she is doing something that she shouldn't be doing,
Speaker 2: she's not the victim.
Speaker 5: If she's doing everything she's supposed to do and she's
Speaker 5: being victimized, then nobody blames her.
Speaker 3: Then blame the husband might blame it.
Speaker 5: Please, the abuser is gonna blame her. Of course he's
Speaker 5: gonna blame her. That doesn't make him not an abuser.
Speaker 5: He's the one that's victimizing her.
Speaker 2: I don't understand this question. I don't understand this blaming
Speaker 2: the victim, who blames the victim.
Speaker 3: I'll give you an example.
Speaker 6: A man might beat his wife, and he might say,
Speaker 6: I beat you because this way you will learn a lesson.
Speaker 3: Let's say, to stop being promiscuous. Another man looked at you.
Speaker 6: Let's say another man looked at you in a way
Speaker 6: that made me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: You were dressed in appropriately. I beat you.
Speaker 2: So he's blaming the victim.
Speaker 3: He's blaming her, but he's.
Speaker 5: An abuser, so of course he's gonna blame her. He's
Speaker 5: abusing her. Blaming the victim in this case is part
Speaker 5: of the abuse.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: You remind me of a story me in Europe and
Speaker 5: the Schtettle, people who lived away from the major cities Yeden,
Speaker 5: who lived away from the major cities. They didn't know.
Speaker 5: The Yiddish guy was very earnest, but they didn't know
Speaker 5: a lot. So it's pisser by decided, and this man
Speaker 5: he does not have to make decided, this darfs man
Speaker 5: you known. So he tells his wife go look by
Speaker 5: the neighbor. What how they're making decided?
Speaker 2: So he sends her up.
Speaker 5: She goes looks in by the neighbor by the window,
Speaker 5: and she comes back. So he tells us, so what
Speaker 5: is he doing? She doesn't answer him.
Speaker 2: You know where this is going.
Speaker 3: He was he was beating her.
Speaker 2: She spoiled my story.
Speaker 3: You asked me I was driving.
Speaker 2: I guess She comes back and she she doesn't answer him.
Speaker 5: So a few times he beats her up, so she
Speaker 5: tells him, if you know, why are you see?
Speaker 3: I see the idea of blaming the victim is.
Speaker 5: Idea get away from this today, of blaming the victim,
Speaker 5: I don't hold from it. Okay, here's if somebody blames
Speaker 5: a legitimate victim, that a RuSHA okay, But the.
Speaker 6: Jews were legitimate victims in the Holocaust, poor babies who
Speaker 6: were killed by the Nazis.
Speaker 2: Are Yeah, there's an answer to that. It's a very
Speaker 2: deep answer.
Speaker 5: But you don't want to go into No, it's hard
Speaker 5: to explain. It's hard to explained that when Hashem removes
Speaker 5: his presence then and besides that, imagine if only the
Speaker 5: religious people would have been saved. You know, there were
Speaker 5: there were the holy Rabbis that were killed in the Holocaust.
Speaker 2: Imagine if only.
Speaker 5: If only those people who assimilated, who converted, who rebelled,
Speaker 5: they were the ones who would be the victims of
Speaker 5: the Hell coast. Where would be our free choice, free choice?
Speaker 5: There would be normal free choice in the world.
Speaker 2: You know that for sure this is going to happen.
Speaker 5: And if you've gotta be good, it removes the whole
Speaker 5: the whole thing that Hashem gave up human being to
Speaker 5: choose for themselves.
Speaker 2: You can see people.
Speaker 5: Who are really bad people. Hashem lets them choose bad.
Speaker 5: He even lets them live. He even doesn't punish them necessarily.
Speaker 4: Here again, Pearl asked me to clarify. When she says
Speaker 4: that people make bad choices and God doesn't punish them,
Speaker 4: she means is to say God doesn't punish them in
Speaker 4: this world.
Speaker 5: Because why because a person has a free choice. You
Speaker 5: want to be good, you want to be bad, you
Speaker 5: can choose.
Speaker 2: There's a choice.
Speaker 6: Okay, So last time we spoke, you shared some of
Speaker 6: these thoughts about your philosophy in the world, and.
Speaker 2: It's my philosophy, the.
Speaker 6: Titter philosophy essentially leads you to be very anti Zionist.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna further rehashit.
Speaker 1: A lot of people were very angry about what you said, righty,
Speaker 1: did you get to hear.
Speaker 2: About of course, of course you told me about it.
Speaker 3: Did you regret having spoken your.
Speaker 2: Not at all.
Speaker 5: I was speaking the truth. I was speaking the implanted
Speaker 5: in all of the sub and the boy on them.
Speaker 5: You see how right he was looking going on Today's
Speaker 5: exactly what he said. He was afraid of their vice
Speaker 5: for tutors of our bringing of Claudius at all. Look
Speaker 5: what's happening today, it's it's mumush a prophecy.
Speaker 3: I have to say, you know, I find it interesting.
Speaker 3: I left the community.
Speaker 6: I'm supposed to be the rebel, but I feel like
Speaker 6: you're the rebel because you're saying things that, even in
Speaker 6: the Sich community, are rebellious.
Speaker 2: Why what am I saying that's rebellious.
Speaker 6: Speaking openly in a way that is critical of Zionism today,
Speaker 6: I think is not trendy even in this world.
Speaker 5: That's the tragedy. That's the tragedy. And you're right about that.
Speaker 5: Today people are very angry at anybody that says a
Speaker 5: word about against Zionism. I the Hashim told us in
Speaker 5: the shulis Shias, we can't do it, We're not supposed to.
Speaker 5: And the Lambum Lambam repeats it, and all that ebbys
Speaker 5: until Zionism came about, repeated this constantly. Even the Baba
Speaker 5: the Shah, he wrote tremendously.
Speaker 2: Against the Zionists. Before the World War, everybody was.
Speaker 5: Against the Designist And when I say everybody, I mean
Speaker 5: all the religious Jews.
Speaker 2: But since the Holocaust, okay, and the.
Speaker 5: Fact that the UN ratified the state of Israel and
Speaker 5: people felt that they deserved it. Now you know, we
Speaker 5: went through a how it possibly should have a country
Speaker 5: of our own. But besides that, aside for them, but
Speaker 5: I'm talking about what Hushem wants from us, and this
Speaker 5: isn't Zionism is an open rebellion against Hashem.
Speaker 2: We're not the victims here, but the purpose.
Speaker 3: I have to say, I can't believe we're having this
Speaker 3: conversation again.
Speaker 2: And I want to go to Okay, go, let's go,
Speaker 2: let's go side myself.
Speaker 1: No, no, I just want to ask last question on
Speaker 1: this update on Gl's life.
Speaker 6: Do you personally experience a greater fear of anti Semitism?
Speaker 6: Because I asked you like two years ago and you
Speaker 6: said you feel safe.
Speaker 3: You don't feel anti Semitism.
Speaker 5: I fear the outcome of rebelling against Ushian. Part of
Speaker 5: it is anti Semitism, that's the visible part, because this
Speaker 5: is what the lever was afraid of. And no Jew
Speaker 5: is safe in any part of the world. Well, we
Speaker 5: felt very safe here in America. I thought anti Semitism
Speaker 5: was over, it was finished. So do I have a
Speaker 5: fear tremendous fear,