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<v Speaker 1>Utah Jazz. Welcome in an old friend tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>Quinn Snyder in the Atlanta Hawks in town to take

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<v Speaker 2>on the Jazz. The red Hot Utah Jazz. Don't mess

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<v Speaker 2>with Utah. I'm talking to you, Florida. Two straight wins

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<v Speaker 2>for the Jazz, little road trip action and they sat

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<v Speaker 2>like half their team and still beat the Magic. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of interesting NBA storylines as we have turned our

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<v Speaker 2>calendar to the new year, and it's time for NBA

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<v Speaker 2>Daily assists. Whether buddy Tom Haverstrow on a Monday afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>tom Happy Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>How are we doing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing great, man, can't complain.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's see, we'll do just a tiny bit

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<v Speaker 2>of jazz here, because you know, it's just it's been

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<v Speaker 2>interesting ever since they hired Will will Hardy to watch

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<v Speaker 2>him coach up a group that clearly does not have

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<v Speaker 2>as much talent as the team on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>to relative competitiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we know the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't need to relitigate the past as far as

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<v Speaker 2>the past couple of years where they've had good records

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<v Speaker 2>to start and then they've broken everything down.

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<v Speaker 1>But they played a good Orlando Magic team.

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<v Speaker 2>Orlando was without pieces as well, and the Miami team

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<v Speaker 2>that certainly is dysfunctional, and they sat a grip of

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<v Speaker 2>players against the Magic, including marketing, including George, including others.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's Bryce Sensiba who has a couple of career

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<v Speaker 2>nights in Orlando and Miami as the Jazz won a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of games. I mean, again, is it really something

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<v Speaker 2>that's all that urgent to break into and dig into

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<v Speaker 2>topically as far as what it could mean when they're

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<v Speaker 2>actually good again, Probably not, but in a vacuum, a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of impressive games, I think from a coaching standpoint

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<v Speaker 2>from Will Hardy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, cent of Bosmen on fire. What a great find.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't see him at Ohio State too much, but

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<v Speaker 3>a late first round pick that coming in to this

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<v Speaker 3>game or this week, had some good nights but nothing

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<v Speaker 3>great like this. And now he's averaging nineteen points and

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<v Speaker 3>six rebounds per thirty six minutes while firing up about

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<v Speaker 3>nine to three pointers every thirty six minutes. Had a

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<v Speaker 3>really nice clip. The second year guy is really impressing

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<v Speaker 3>as of late and taking advantage of his opportunities. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>like this is a next man up mentality for every

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<v Speaker 3>team in the NBA, including the Orlando Magic that I've

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<v Speaker 3>dealt with really tough injuries from to Jalen Suggs and

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<v Speaker 3>Franz Wagner and Palo Bankero, but they have a really

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<v Speaker 3>tough time scoring even with those guys. But to see

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<v Speaker 3>the Utah Jazz win the game that they were supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to with Orlando having so many of those guys out

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<v Speaker 3>while being also shorthanded, that is really impressive. And they're

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<v Speaker 3>playing the right way, They're getting to the free throw line,

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<v Speaker 3>they take the right shots from the floor, and Will

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<v Speaker 3>Hardy's really coaching them up and you love to see it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's it's a drag. The NBA season is

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<v Speaker 3>eighty two games, and you're hoping that they can kind

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<v Speaker 3>of turn you know, some fans into you know, coming

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<v Speaker 3>into the games and seeing some wins. And this this

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<v Speaker 3>East Coast swing, I think a lot more fans are

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<v Speaker 3>more willing to go and watch the Utah Jazz now

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<v Speaker 3>that they've got some wins under their belt.

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<v Speaker 2>And I do think there's something there as far as

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<v Speaker 2>what the fan base here just wants to see. There's

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<v Speaker 2>nobody here that's under any premonition that this team has

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<v Speaker 2>built to win now. And I don't think there's anybody

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<v Speaker 2>here that believes this team is even a year or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe two away.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're covering the Blazers now, You've covered the

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<v Speaker 2>league forever. If you're an organization and a team that's

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of a very blatant pivot and a

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<v Speaker 2>very blatant rebuild, you have to at least give your

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<v Speaker 2>fans something tangible to hold on to. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the talent to keep up with the best

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<v Speaker 2>teams in the league, things like effort and things like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, showing up and playing hard and things like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, exhibiting the right habits.

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<v Speaker 1>And Will talks about this all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I do like listening to his postgame pressers

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<v Speaker 2>because Will's one of those coaches. You know, he's pithy,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's sarcastic the way Popovich is, and he's a

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<v Speaker 2>little dismissive and stuff like that. But when he talks

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<v Speaker 2>about basket ball, when he talks about his team, he

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<v Speaker 2>will give you some things here or there. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is still the very early stage of what they believe

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<v Speaker 2>is a very long game. So from the fan base perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>I think all you're looking for at this point, certainly

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<v Speaker 2>incremental steps from the young players, but also a team

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<v Speaker 2>that's willing to show up and play hard even if

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<v Speaker 2>they're up against it with the talent on the other side.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you look at the way that they won

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<v Speaker 3>and just put a beat down on Miami, a team

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<v Speaker 3>that was hungry to show that they didn't need Jimmy Butler.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, this is a team that has a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of pride. Eric Spolstra is the best coach in the NBA.

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<v Speaker 3>Pat Riley just makes a huge statement against Jimmy Butler,

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<v Speaker 3>and it seems like the Miami Heat would respond in

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<v Speaker 3>a way that would show solidarity with the front office

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<v Speaker 3>and the coach and be like, Yeah, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>come out and play really hard and prove that we

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<v Speaker 3>don't need Jimmy Butler to win. And then he Jazz

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<v Speaker 3>came in and beat the pants off of him and

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<v Speaker 3>sense A bog with thirty four off the bench and me,

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that jumps off the page to me is

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<v Speaker 3>the offensive rebound rate. Build the Miami Heat on the boards,

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<v Speaker 3>kill them. Thirty seven percent offensive rebound rate against the

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<v Speaker 3>Miami Heat where they were getting second chance opportunities, making

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<v Speaker 3>sure that, yeah, if we're gonna miss a shot, we're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna go and make sure we get those second chance opportunities.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that for me, like when you have a team

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<v Speaker 3>that has Walker Kessler on it, you have to own

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<v Speaker 3>the boards. And then the next game they do the

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<v Speaker 3>same thing. They out rebound them Orlando knowing that, like

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<v Speaker 3>there's gonna be a lot of misshots in this game,

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<v Speaker 3>Orlando is a ute right offense and making sure they

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<v Speaker 3>clean up the boards. And they did that. They won

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<v Speaker 3>the offensive rebound battle offensive rebound rate in both games.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what you got to do with Walker Kessler.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think when you do that, you know they

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<v Speaker 3>say that rebounding is all that effort and all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>It's probably a cliche at this point, but you have

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<v Speaker 3>to play to the strengths of your team, and when

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<v Speaker 3>you have Walker Kessler on the squad, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>win the rebound battle. And they have been doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>They've owned the rebounds, they've owned the free throw battle,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's just a matter of trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>a way that they can limit these turnovers because if

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<v Speaker 3>they can do that, they're last in both offensive turnover rate,

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<v Speaker 3>and defensive turnover rate. It's the worst turnover margin in

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<v Speaker 3>the NBA in terms of how often they turn the

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<v Speaker 3>ball over compared to their opponent. Once they clean up that,

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<v Speaker 3>they'll be in good shape. But this is what happens

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<v Speaker 3>when they don't have a pure point guard on the roster.

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna get a lot of really careless coughing up

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<v Speaker 3>the ball. And as long as they keep that and check,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to be competitive on most nights.

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<v Speaker 2>One more jazz thing, then we'll move on and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>just revisit whenever there's a report out there. Because I truly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I've been in this space now for maybe a

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<v Speaker 2>month or so, I feel like Walker has played his

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<v Speaker 2>way into the nucleus of what this team not only

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<v Speaker 2>is now but moving forward into the future. Because he's

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<v Speaker 2>still so young and so many of his habits have

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<v Speaker 2>improved this year.

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<v Speaker 1>The rim protection stuff is real.

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<v Speaker 2>He's improved, He's got a way to go offensively as

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<v Speaker 2>a screen setter, but he's been better. He to me,

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<v Speaker 2>has been the number one success story of this team

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<v Speaker 2>when it pertains to what we've been trying to learn.

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<v Speaker 2>We know who marketing is that we've already talked about

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<v Speaker 2>Will They're head coach, who I think is dynamite, But

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<v Speaker 2>there are these reports that his name continues to surface. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the modern day and age of reporting is tough to

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<v Speaker 2>ascertain what's.

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<v Speaker 1>Real and what's not.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm starting to believe, you know, and we've talked

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<v Speaker 2>about this, nobody is completely unmovable. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that Danny and Justin are interested in taking phone calls

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<v Speaker 2>on Walker Kesler right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess at my point, yeah, it's going to take a.

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<v Speaker 3>Couple first round picks for them to get rid of him.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's the asking price is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>pretty seep, especially with the really strong play of late.

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<v Speaker 3>As we draw closer to the February sixth trade deadline,

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<v Speaker 3>I suspect that Walker Kestler will get at least a

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<v Speaker 3>big price of a first round pick. And the question

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<v Speaker 3>is whether the Utah Jazz decide that that's enough for

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<v Speaker 3>this twenty three year old shot blocking you know, defensive anchor.

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<v Speaker 3>If they can do that, we maintain keep him in

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<v Speaker 3>the fold and continue to build around him and market in.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, a lot of teams are gonna want a

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<v Speaker 3>guy like Walker Kessler. We're talking about one of the

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<v Speaker 3>top block rates in the NBA, the top offensive rebound

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<v Speaker 3>rate in the NBA, and he is a dunking machine.

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<v Speaker 3>So you get a rim runner, screen setter, a guy

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<v Speaker 3>who knows his role and is going to protect the rim.

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<v Speaker 3>And if they get some perimeter defenders in Utah. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't have them right now, but if they get some

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<v Speaker 3>perimeter defenders in Utah both at the point of attack

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<v Speaker 3>and also guys you can really create turnovers and chaos

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<v Speaker 3>on the perimeter and get in the passing lanes, You're

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<v Speaker 3>you've got a pretty good nucleus right there. So I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know John Collins, he's been out for quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>He's out for personal reasons right now, but I suspect

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<v Speaker 3>that he will be a hot at the trade deadline

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<v Speaker 3>as well. I think he's played himself into a borderline

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<v Speaker 3>first round pick, probably a protected lottery protected first round

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<v Speaker 3>pick potentially for John Collins, who's having a career year

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<v Speaker 3>in the shooting percentages and still productive. You know, a

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<v Speaker 3>really good scorer and a guy who's shown that he

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<v Speaker 3>can move the ball well and he's more capable than

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<v Speaker 3>I think just as a dunker that you know, John

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<v Speaker 3>the Baptist is nickname coming out of college. We know

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<v Speaker 3>that he's a big time highlight reel dunker, but he's

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<v Speaker 3>more than that. And both of these guys, Walker Kessler

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<v Speaker 3>and John Collins, have really played themselves into being hot

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<v Speaker 3>commodities in the trade market. And that's a tough thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Is the more the better they play, the more you

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<v Speaker 3>start talking yourself into them as being a foundational piece.

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<v Speaker 3>And for John Collins is a little tougher because he's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot older than Walker Kessler. And a team like

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<v Speaker 3>the Sacramento Kings, you know, with the ownership already firing

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Brown, I think they're gonna be a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>more leveraged at this point to go after someone like

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<v Speaker 3>John Collins. And that's the type of advantageous deal that

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<v Speaker 3>I think a team like the Utah Jazz would be

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<v Speaker 3>interested in. It is like a team that is very

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<v Speaker 3>desperate right now for a quality veteran to shake some

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<v Speaker 3>things up and bring some excitement to the team. I

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<v Speaker 3>think John Collins the acting price is justifiably a lot

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<v Speaker 3>higher now than it was before the season.

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<v Speaker 1>John the Baptist. That's called knowing your audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Here in Salt Lake City, a lot of people probably

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate that drop there, Tom, well done, well done, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>moving off the jazz now, and you reference Miami, you

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<v Speaker 2>reference Jimmy Butler. He appears to be the name that

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<v Speaker 2>most people are. It feels untenable. I mean, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>Pat sat him and now we kind of wait to

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<v Speaker 2>see how this thing plays out. The hard part, Tom is, honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand if Miami's like, no, we don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>if he ends up bouncing. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Then essentially you're saying this is a

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<v Speaker 2>wasted year. And I'm sure there are conversations with agents

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<v Speaker 2>he needs a new place to play, and Jimmy kind

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<v Speaker 2>of feels like that same player.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, how do you think this thing plays out.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he gets moved at the trade deadline. I

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<v Speaker 3>think Phoenix is the most logical landing spot. The tough

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<v Speaker 3>They've decided to bench Bradley Beal and Yusuf Nurkic after

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<v Speaker 3>and some hail Mary's that went their way. To start

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<v Speaker 3>the season. This team was nine to two and now

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<v Speaker 3>they're fifteen and eighteen with Bradley Beal coming off the

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<v Speaker 3>bench with a fifty seven million dollar player option in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty seven, and he has a no trade clause. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>it is an untenable situation for them. So you have

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<v Speaker 3>a very disgruntled superstar playoff Jimmy who you know, for

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<v Speaker 3>my money, over the last six years with the Miami

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<v Speaker 3>Heat has been maybe the second best playoff per former Barnine.

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<v Speaker 3>Bradley Beal. The Miami Heat. I don't think want to

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<v Speaker 3>touch that contract or that no trade clause. I think

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<v Speaker 3>the move would be a three team deal involving the

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<v Speaker 3>Miami Heat sending Jimmy Butler to the to the Phoenix Suns,

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<v Speaker 3>and then Phoenix Suns sending Bradley Beal to Detroit. The

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<v Speaker 3>Detroit Pistons just lost Jade and Ivy. They have clean

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not kidding about, you know, players, I'm not kidding

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<v Speaker 3>But this guy is coming off a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 3>In two years, he's gonna have to revitalize his player

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<v Speaker 3>another big contract in the NBA. He's not going to

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<v Speaker 3>Allegedly the show from the nineties about that superagent was

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<v Speaker 3>And he had an assistant a few years ago named

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<v Speaker 3>Josh Bartelstein who rose to become an assistant GM and

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<v Speaker 3>Suns under matt Eshpia. That guy is now Josh Bartlstein

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<v Speaker 3>and Josh Bartlestein came from Arn Tellum as it seems

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<v Speaker 3>like a favor by Mark Bartelstein to hire Josh Bartostein

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<v Speaker 3>Bradley Beal no trade clause can be negotiated amongst you know,

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<v Speaker 3>And so I do think that the Detroit Pistons will

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<v Speaker 3>grease the wheels for Miami Heat to make the trade

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<v Speaker 3>of Jimmy Butler to the Phoenix Sons and then Jimmy Butler,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Bradley Beal goes to Detroit and then draft

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<v Speaker 3>picks go to Miami. They're gonna get some salary filler

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<v Speaker 3>in Tobias Harris and Tim Hardaway Junior. But really what

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<v Speaker 3>and this trade would accomplish that with some draft picks

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<v Speaker 3>that they can move and try to get some more pieces.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the Miami Heat are going to move Jimmy Butler.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's an untenable situation. I don't think they're

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<v Speaker 3>think they're gonna do a refresh and the Phoenix Suns

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<v Speaker 2>My goodness, Porter, real quick hop on the mic, because

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<v Speaker 2>that's quite a story with a lot of ties between

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, as you know, we don't do it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't win with them, yep, can't win with them.

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<v Speaker 2>Not into it, not a fan, so I understand all

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<v Speaker 2>the dynamics there, but we're anti that on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me move over into the reports though, because I

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<v Speaker 2>think I've heard Memphis is involved potentially, that feels like

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<v Speaker 2>it makes sense. I don't know if Butler would want that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Milwaukee as well. All of your reasoning is sound.

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<v Speaker 2>But before I say you lose, because I know you

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<v Speaker 2>got to get to it. If it is in Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I don't think it's Memphis playing style wise.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's intathetical to Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler at

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<v Speaker 3>this age thirty five, he doesn't want to play in

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<v Speaker 3>the player tracking era. They move the ball constantly there.

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<v Speaker 3>They have this offense, egalitarian offense where they move the

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<v Speaker 3>just not I don't think a great fit with Memphis.

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<v Speaker 3>I know they have a hole there at the three position.

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't think Jimmy Butler is going to play

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<v Speaker 3>I do think that the Golden State Warriors, if things

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<v Speaker 3>can continue to go south, that's an interesting landing spot

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<v Speaker 3>for them, especially if they want to maximize this roster

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<v Speaker 3>for Jimmy Butler. But Jonathan committing cominga getting hurt really

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<v Speaker 3>hurts those odds of a deal getting done. Outside that,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see Jimmy Butler going back to Chicago. Some

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<v Speaker 3>people have said, hey, you know, bring him back to Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see that. And I also don't see him

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<v Speaker 3>I don't see the Milwaukee thing happening just reeks of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, throwing good money after bad. But I do

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<v Speaker 3>think that the Memphis Grizzlies, while they are being connected

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<v Speaker 3>me from my perspective that he ends up with Kevin

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<v Speaker 2>All right, man, Well, I appreciate the time. Some good

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<v Speaker 2>stuff there. Have a good Tom on the broadcast night,

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<v Speaker 2>will chat soon, Okay, thanks, bench have a good one,

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<v Speaker 2>Tom habershow mba daily a sist On a Monday. The

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<v Speaker 2>Utah Jazz are back in action tomorrow against the Atlanta Hawks.

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<v Speaker 2>Quinn Snyders in town. The Jazz went down to Florida

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<v Speaker 2>won a couple of games. They beat Miami and they

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<v Speaker 2>beat Orlando. See if they can keep it going tomorrow

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