WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.599 --> 00:00:08.119 By Billy Cunning in the Great America. 2 00:00:08.199 --> 00:00:11.560 Thanks thanks forgot to get into the Springborough Panthers in 3 00:00:11.679 --> 00:00:14.759 the northern part of Warren County undefeated, untied, unscored on 4 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:17.679 won the state soccer title and about thirty minutes Saint 5 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:20.519 Ursula we'll be here to talk about their state championship. 6 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:23.320 Next week is Roger Bacon, the home of the Spartans. 7 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:26.960 But until then, Keith Faber is the state auditor. He's 8 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:28.839 more or less announced he's going to run for Attorney 9 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:31.800 General in a couple of years, maybe a year from November. 10 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:33.880 And away we go in Keith Faber. Welcome again. You're 11 00:00:33.880 --> 00:00:35.719 in the studio, which is quite unusual. 12 00:00:36.119 --> 00:00:37.759 Love to be here till he's good to be in person. 13 00:00:37.880 --> 00:00:40.600 Let's talk about fraud, because everyone I know on their 14 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:44.359 cell phone gets these magnitude of calls, especially now they 15 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:46.840 assume you're sixty five years old looking for Medicare and 16 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:49.600 medicaid whatever it might be. And I hit all the 17 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:52.640 delete and I say blocked the call, and that never works. 18 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:55.960 And you got to call recently as a normal man 19 00:00:56.039 --> 00:00:59.560 about medicare. Explain and you're the state auditor, right, and 20 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:00.840 they call you tell. 21 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:01.240 Me what happened. 22 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.280 Look, I get the same calls everybody else gets in 23 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:05.040 my cell phone. I was getting two or three or 24 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:07.439 four a day. And you know, they call and say, hey, 25 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:10.840 this is Medicare open enrollment. Here's this information. They're not 26 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:12.359 going to put you in a Medicare plan. They're trying 27 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:15.079 to steal your information. If somebody calls you for that stuff, 28 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:16.680 the best thing you can do is hang up. I 29 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:18.159 like to screw with them a little bit, because if 30 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:19.519 they're going to waste my time, I don't want to 31 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:20.439 waste some of their time. 32 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:22.480 And so, you know, I go down the road. 33 00:01:22.480 --> 00:01:25.359 Eventually they figure out that this person's not serious and 34 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:27.359 they hang up on me. But I got to call 35 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:31.319 literally last night driving back from Cleveland, and it was 36 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:34.359 somebody purporting to be Bank of America claiming that somebody 37 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:37.079 had opened or applied for a credit card in my name. 38 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:40.439 And they are really good at social engineering. And this 39 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.799 is the secret that most people don't know. If you're 40 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:45.599 over thirty, all of your information is on the dark web. 41 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:47.920 So they have your name, they have your social Security number, 42 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:50.120 they have your address, they have all of your information. 43 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:52.760 And so this person gave me the last four of 44 00:01:52.760 --> 00:01:55.680 my Social Security number and said we just want to 45 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:57.519 know did you apply And I said no, well here's 46 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:00.400 your confirmation number to say you didn't apply, and kept 47 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:01.959 going on with a bunch of other stuff, trying to 48 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:03.200 get you to talk to them, and then they're going 49 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:06.560 to transfer you to another person, and that person's going 50 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:08.199 to try and ask you for your information, and then 51 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:10.000 they're going to try and get your SOLI Security number 52 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.439 or your address from you. What they're really trying to 53 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:15.960 do is get you on tape saying yes to what 54 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:18.199 they want to get you to do, because then they'll 55 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:20.560 use that tape to lock you into things on the 56 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.280 credit cards that the credit card companies will use, and 57 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:25.159 to try and do other things. The short answer is, 58 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:27.520 if you get one of those calls, if it's not 59 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:30.800 from an eight hundred number, that's them, hang up on them, 60 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:31.520 don't take the call. 61 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:34.439 If I get a call that says is this Bill Cunningham, 62 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:37.719 I would generally say, yes, that's a problem. 63 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:38.479 It can be. 64 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.240 It can because they'll know who you are, Bill, and 65 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:42.400 they'll even know your last four They may not know 66 00:02:42.439 --> 00:02:44.400 your whole SOLI Security number, but they're going to probably 67 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:47.879 know your last four, particularly if they have hacked or 68 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.800 gotten access to one of these things to where they've 69 00:02:50.800 --> 00:02:54.479 gotten new data and other information that look, every day, 70 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:57.960 there's a new hack, there's a new data dump someplace. 71 00:02:58.599 --> 00:03:01.560 And the reason I say over third is because what 72 00:03:01.599 --> 00:03:04.080 they're doing is going back in and hacking into a 73 00:03:04.120 --> 00:03:07.039 lot of the backup databases for a lot of these 74 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:10.159 big credit card companies and healthcare companies and have all 75 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:14.199 the things. The old backup data wasn't as secure as 76 00:03:14.240 --> 00:03:17.000 the new cloud data is, so the younger people's information 77 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:19.400 weren't in all those old databases like yours and mine 78 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:21.240 and other people who have been out there for a while. 79 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:24.639 But it's really bad, particularly for senior citizens, and we 80 00:03:24.680 --> 00:03:27.639 are taking steps with the Ohio Cyber Command to try 81 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:31.319 and encourage people to just be your own best advocate, 82 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:34.919 be vigilant. My brother was a computer professional for the 83 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:37.879 Department of Defense and his father in law had passed 84 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:40.159 away during COVID, and so he's been taking care of 85 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:42.719 his mother in law's finances and he was literally sitting 86 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:44.479 out on the lake in the pontoon boat and his 87 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:46.520 mother in law calls him and says, hey, where's the 88 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:51.520 information on my brokerage account? Account number, and my brother says, okay, 89 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:54.400 why do you need that? And she says, well, I'm 90 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:56.800 trying to put this information. This guy called me and 91 00:03:56.879 --> 00:03:59.039 said he could get me a better return, and I'm 92 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:00.800 trying to put all this stuff together. He said, don't 93 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.240 touch anything. I'll be there in a half hour. I 94 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:04.840 have to get off the lake. I'll be there at 95 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:06.080 a half hour and we'll see what's it. But da, 96 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:07.639 I don't want you touch anything. Put your phone down, 97 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:09.879 go sit on the couch. He got there, and she 98 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.240 was literally one click away from sending all of her 99 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:16.240 finance information, her passwords, and everything to a guy who 100 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:19.480 pretended to be somebody who could have helped her get 101 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:23.360 a better return. If somebody's calling you, somebody's communicating you 102 00:04:23.439 --> 00:04:25.319 to send you an email for that stuff. 103 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:25.920 Just delete it. 104 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:28.720 Unless it's somebody you know and have the ability to 105 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:32.560 personally touch them, or you called them at a reputable business. 106 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:35.319 Be very very careful. Bea favor. 107 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:38.399 I get almost every day now PayPal, and I have 108 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:41.800 no relationship to PayPal. I've never bought anything from PayPal. 109 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:44.480 I will never buy anything Venmo. I have none of 110 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:48.000 that stuff. And I'm told right now that someone is 111 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:50.560 using my name and they want to confirm that I 112 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:53.120 have bought an eight hundred dollars computer, a MacPro computer 113 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:54.079 through PayPal. 114 00:04:54.560 --> 00:04:56.639 You did not. They did not. It's fake. They want 115 00:04:56.680 --> 00:04:57.399 you to click on it. 116 00:04:57.560 --> 00:04:59.399 Once you click on it, you're giving them access to 117 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:01.879 your information, and you're giving the access to your device 118 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:05.319 or your computer. I got one literally yesterday claiming to 119 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:07.439 be docu signed. Wanted me to click on to sign 120 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:11.120 a docusigning document. I got one the other day from somebody. 121 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:13.800 It's not PayPal, it's it's one of the others that 122 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:15.920 they want you to click on to open up, you know, 123 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.959 to to challenge an account. Oftentimes I'll get something from 124 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:24.959 Low's pretending to say you just want to a tragger grill, congratulations, congratulations, 125 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.720 click here. All of that are scams. Low's not giving 126 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:30.480 out tragger grills. They're not sending you on solicited emails. 127 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:33.399 They're not sending you information like that. The short answer is, 128 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:36.199 if it's too good to be true, it is if 129 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:38.839 you didn't do the transaction. If you I got one 130 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.199 the other day from United Airlines saying that my ticket 131 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:44.040 confirmation and here's my confirmations. 132 00:05:44.360 --> 00:05:46.720 I didn't book the United Airlines ticket. You don't call 133 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:49.360 and say, hey, Wayne, that's not me. I did do that. 134 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:49.800 I did not. 135 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.600 And you know what, watching read your credit card statements, 136 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:56.439 watching to read your other statements, because I mean, you 137 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:58.120 can certainly do what I did with the Bank of 138 00:05:58.120 --> 00:05:59.040 America yesterday. 139 00:05:59.319 --> 00:05:59.600 Okay. 140 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:01.360 Once I got through and hung up on the lady, 141 00:06:01.399 --> 00:06:02.879 and after she tried to call me back from three 142 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:06.160 different exchange numbers, I called Bank America to say, as 143 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:09.800 somebody filed an application in my name and their Bank America, folks, 144 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:11.639 I used the number on the back of my credit card. 145 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:13.800 I didn't use the number that they gave me. I 146 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:16.279 used the number on the back of the credit card. Ultimately, 147 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:18.879 what they did was said, no, this was a scam 148 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:22.519 and you were wise to not play Heith favor. 149 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:24.560 For example, let's say you're eighteen years old and you 150 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:27.680 apply to go to college. Could be xavior U c NKU, 151 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:31.040 could be Toledo, and all your information is on your 152 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:34.000 application online. You fill it a home addressed data, birth socis, 153 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:37.079 curity number, driver's license number, all that stuff, and then 154 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:40.279 the University of Toledo was hacked. Yep, and so every 155 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:44.319 young person who went to Toledo, uc Ohio state their 156 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.399 informations on the dark web. Yep, and that's what happens. 157 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:49.839 I have a close family member who had his home 158 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:53.959 equity line was tied to his checking account. Someone in 159 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.480 Illinois went in and had the name and the photo 160 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:01.399 of this person and all their private information. Goes into 161 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:05.720 a bank in Illinois and what draws eighteen thousand dollars 162 00:07:06.040 --> 00:07:10.000 from the home equity line of credit into the checking account. 163 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.800 That quickly left the checking account right out the door. 164 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:14.399 Yep. 165 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:17.560 And fortunately it was a fraud. The bank's liable. Am 166 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:20.720 I correct on that generally that's true, but it takes 167 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:21.120 a while. 168 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:23.279 Ye. Well, and then you got to change everything. It 169 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:25.959 depends on the bank. That's right. Identity theft is a 170 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:26.399 big deal. 171 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:28.319 And you know, I come from the school that we 172 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.519 need to have, you know, public examples of folks that 173 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:33.240 are doing that, and that's one of the reasons we 174 00:07:33.279 --> 00:07:35.279 need a new federal government to go after some of 175 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:37.480 these foreign actors that are participating in part of this. 176 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:40.720 But look, it's not just it's just not individuals. We 177 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:43.800 have issued in the Auditor's office now a second bulletin 178 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.800 instructing local governments to be very weary of something called 179 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:50.759 vendor redirects. A week doesn't go by that I don't 180 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:53.879 find about one h hundred and fifty thousand and one 181 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:57.560 case six million dollar vendor redirects where the community thinks 182 00:07:57.759 --> 00:08:00.839 that they're paying ABC Paving for paving their roads, and 183 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:03.560 in fact somebody has got them to send their check 184 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:07.560 for ABC pavement or the direct deposit or the ACCH 185 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.279 to some hacker or somebody else. It literally has happened 186 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:14.160 to a school district just not far from here that 187 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:18.079 was in the hundreds of thousands of dollars, and this 188 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:20.639 is happening every week. And so we directed a bulletin 189 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:26.000 to the fiscal officer folks to saying, look, do not ever, never, ever, ever, 190 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:32.360 never ever accept a redirection instruction electronically, not over the phone, 191 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:35.679 not electronically, not by email, not by snail mail. Require 192 00:08:35.720 --> 00:08:37.879 people to come in in person if you've got a 193 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:39.480 vendor that wants you to change how you're going to 194 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:42.840 pay them, and then for a secondary safety method, have 195 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:44.840 them bring in the person that they're dealing with in 196 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:47.559 your governmentity. So if they're working with your street superintendents 197 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.440 and doing pavement and Joe's Paving is the one who 198 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:52.799 wants you to send their check to a different bank account. 199 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:54.440 Have Joe come in and tell you that in person 200 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.480 with driver's license. That could happen to a homeowner. Correct, absolutely, 201 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:00.840 it absolutely will happen some. But we'll call you up 202 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:03.919 and say, hey, Bill Cunningham, great American, we want you 203 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.600 to send your mortgage payment to this bank at a 204 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:09.159 different bank at Fifth Third. 205 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.120 That's happened, and if. 206 00:09:10.919 --> 00:09:13.279 You sent it to the wrong place, guess what you 207 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:14.960 could be out that money. Now you may or may 208 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.679 not have inshurch coverage for it. But when that happens, 209 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:20.840 do not rely on the email address or the phone 210 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:22.360 number that they give you. It'll be a great looking 211 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:24.840 email address, it'll look just like Fifth Thirds email edditress. 212 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:27.159 Their logos are going to be the same. Don't rely 213 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:27.799 on the stuff we. 214 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:28.600 Sold your loan. 215 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:31.639 So let's say, for example, I'm a fifth Third bank. YEP, 216 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.559 I get a nice official looking in the mail and 217 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:39.279 an email beginning February first, twenty twenty five, we have 218 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:43.080 sold your loan to a XYZ mortgage company and this 219 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:43.960 is where to send it. 220 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:45.360 Right, what do you do? 221 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:48.279 I would first of all verify with who you got 222 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:50.879 the loan through if you went to the loan broker 223 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:54.159 at fifth third, I would call that person or call 224 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:57.840 fifth Third themselves and verify from fifth third what you're 225 00:09:57.879 --> 00:09:59.879 supposed to do, and then get that in writing f 226 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:02.240 fifth third. Make sure that it's actually fifth third you're 227 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:05.080 talking about. But use the information in your files, use 228 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:08.639 the address, the telephone number on that information, or even 229 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:11.519 go find the fifth third information on your own, as 230 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:14.240 long as you're at a verifiable website. But the other thing, 231 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.360 when somebody sends you an email, here's a trick that 232 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:20.320 even the hackers are getting good at trying to spoof. 233 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.240 If you hover over the from address and the name, 234 00:10:23.399 --> 00:10:26.039 if it says Bill Cunningham, and you'll hover it over 235 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:29.000 and it says from you know, great American one two 236 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:32.720 three at gmail dot com, it's probably not Bill Cunningham. Okay, 237 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:34.919 you're going to have to look at those addresses to 238 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:36.120 see who it's actually from. 239 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.279 Well, his life's so complicated, hey, you And if you're 240 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:41.799 an older, if you're in your sixties, r seventies and eighties, 241 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:46.200 and I've had fraud alerts from people I know that 242 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:48.519 they have to someone's going to come by to pick 243 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:51.519 up ten thousand dollars in cash. The Venmo account was 244 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:53.960 wrongly credited and you've got to pay the money back 245 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.159 otherwise it's a legal matter. And this older woman who 246 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.360 didn't have a Venmo account, but they cent her an 247 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:01.840 indication that she has a Venmo account that had twenty 248 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:03.960 thousand dollars put into it, and she had to give 249 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.879 back ten thousand dollars in cash because they don't want 250 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:09.360 to go through any and a person literally showed up 251 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:11.919 at her house to collect ten thousand dollars in cash 252 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:13.879 and the older woman had it ready to go. 253 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.440 Yeah. Yeah, Well, we saw this up in Clark County, 254 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:20.960 Springfield a lot long ago that an older gentleman was 255 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:23.799 being pestered by a guy telling him that he was 256 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:25.759 going to send an Uber driver over to pick up 257 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:29.200 some money and that his grandkids needed to get out 258 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:31.799 of jail. And he came out and actually shot the 259 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:35.120 Uber driver. They saw it as a scam and the 260 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:37.039 reality the Uber driver had nothing to do with it. 261 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:38.279 He was just doing a pickup. 262 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:40.240 Those are the kind of things we need to track 263 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:42.879 down and find the people, and look, law enforcement has 264 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:45.679 a role in that, but it's a bigger picture. 265 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:48.159 Than just one one mistake. 266 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:50.960 You're one of the men or women on the state 267 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:53.879 Reapportionment Board. It's the governor. I think we vote for 268 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:57.080 that person. You do the auditor, which is you, Keith Faber, 269 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:59.480 We vote for that press correct, Secretary of State. We 270 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:03.480 actually vote for that person, and the legislature picks two 271 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.039 in the House Democrat Republican, two in the Senate Democrat Republican. 272 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:11.120 You're sitting on the board which is ruled quote unconstitutional 273 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:15.919 by an activist Supreme Court justice who's fortunately retired. You 274 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.360 have to get back together sometime soon. What's going to 275 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:20.840 happen next on the Reapportionment Board of which you're still 276 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:23.159 a member. Well, I was actually the last chairman when 277 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:26.360 we did legislative maps and got a seven zero bipartisan vote. 278 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:28.600 So the legislative maps are in place for ten years. 279 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:29.960 And we did that. 280 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:33.399 The current Supreme Court, the allied liberal organizations that sued 281 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:36.440 us not once but seven times, dismissed their lawsuit with 282 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:38.639 regard to the legislative map. So that case is over. 283 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:41.240 We now have the congressional maps that we have to draw, 284 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:42.960 and the congressional maps are going to have to get 285 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:44.159 drawn by the legislature. 286 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:45.320 They have the first crack at it. 287 00:12:45.639 --> 00:12:47.759 Hopefully they get it done because frankly, as a member 288 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:49.120 of the Redistricting Commission, I. 289 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:52.120 Don't want to deal with this issue anymore. I'm done. 290 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.080 Okay, you to hear you haven't lived until Mark Elias 291 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:57.840 and air Colder have sued you, not once, but seven times. 292 00:12:58.919 --> 00:13:00.840 But if they can't get it done, they can't get 293 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:02.799 it done in the way the constitution requires. It will 294 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:05.559 come back to the Redistricting Commission. Hopefully this time I 295 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:07.960 won't be chairman. Somebody else will get selected. But if 296 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:09.799 they you know what you have to serve. But you've 297 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.600 had enough. I've been there, done that, and literally have 298 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.080 the T shirt. So I want to make sure if 299 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:18.000 they pick somebody else, we will participate. We will draw 300 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:21.480 constitutional maps for me what I've always believed the best 301 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:23.799 way to draw districts are to draw districts that are 302 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:27.039 compact and keep communities together where you can, so you 303 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.320 have a right to be represented by somebody who shares 304 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:31.759 your thoughts, your ideas, and your values. If you look 305 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:33.919 at the red blue map in Ohio, you'll know this 306 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:38.000 that people in Ohio tend to live around people who 307 00:13:38.039 --> 00:13:40.080 think and vote like them. And when you want to 308 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:43.879 get into this concept of proportionality and dicing and splicing 309 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:46.480 and moving districts all over to get a political result, 310 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:49.279 that's called gerimandering. I will not do that. I believe 311 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.360 the current constitution prohibits that, and we will draw maps 312 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:56.159 that keep communities together that are as compact as possible. 313 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:59.679 And ultimately that means that if you're in Hamilton County, 314 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:02.799 the odd you're probably gonna be voting for somebody who 315 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:04.000 shares Hamilton County's value. 316 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:04.440 Landsman. 317 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:08.720 If you're in Butler, Claremont, or Warren County, the odds 318 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:10.639 are you're going to be voting for somebody who shares 319 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:14.000 Boby ask this question these values, my friends in Warren County, 320 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:18.279 we're lumped in with most of Hamilton County, and Warren 321 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:21.840 County is not happy with the liberal Democrat named Greg 322 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:24.960 Lansman representing them in the Congress. What do you say 323 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:27.600 to the good residents of Warren County to vote seventy 324 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:31.519 percent for Republicans and they can't oust Greg Lansman because 325 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:33.720 most of the votes in Hamlety County. Why did you 326 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:36.559 hook Warren County with Hamilton County well again that map 327 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:39.720 was actually drawn by the legend. Well, we extra participated 328 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.440 in it, but the concept was to hit this proportionality 329 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.519 guide and the proportionally guide that Marin O'Connor was trying 330 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.200 to force down our throats where you have a roughly, 331 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:53.120 you know, fifty four to forty six distribution around Ohio. 332 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.080 I don't think proportionality is a mandate in the constitution. 333 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:59.799 I think compactness. I think keeping districts that are keep 334 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.639 community cities, counties and townships together where you can, it's 335 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:05.919 the priority. And if you're drawing districts like that, look, 336 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:10.840 you're going to have more Republican seats than Democrats in 337 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:12.799 the state that Donald Trump just won by twelve points. 338 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:14.559 So in the next event, you're going to do it 339 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:16.000 again sometime next year. 340 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:16.960 Not to be this year. 341 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.000 It'll probably be the well, you're right, next year year, 342 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:21.679 hext year, I'm forgetting where we are in the calendar. 343 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:23.240 We got Christmas yet. 344 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:25.480 And then you'll be sued again by Mark Elias and 345 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:27.759 by Eric Holder. I assume you'll be sued no matter what. 346 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:28.879 Well maybe maybe not. 347 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:33.519 The big difference is we now have a constitutional Supreme Court, 348 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:36.360 We have a Supreme Court. Remember last time, they could 349 00:15:36.399 --> 00:15:38.840 have continued their lawsuits on both of these maps, and 350 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:43.039 they dismissed both of them. I look, if they sue 351 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:46.120 us this time and we violate Articles two, three, four, five, 352 00:15:46.200 --> 00:15:48.360 or seven of the Constitution, we should be sued. If 353 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.960 we don't violate those, and it's only proportionality they want 354 00:15:51.000 --> 00:15:52.799 to sue us. One God bless you. I think the 355 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:54.320 Court's going to follow the Constitution. 356 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:57.360 Lastly, there was this floating idea of a grossly expanding 357 00:15:57.399 --> 00:15:59.919 the House of Representatives from ninety nine to like a 358 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:02.480 one hundred and fifty. As an American, I don't want 359 00:16:02.519 --> 00:16:05.120 one hundred and fifty. We have enough government. I worry 360 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:07.600 about the one hundred and fifty ninety nine House and 361 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:08.879 thirty three Sentate. 362 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:11.039 It's enough for me. Where do you stand on that? 363 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:11.519 If anything? 364 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:14.720 Look, I served in the legislature, I was former Senate president, 365 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.159 I served in the House. It is it is much 366 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.080 easier to herd cats in thirty three than it is 367 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:22.840 ninety nine. It will be almost impossible to herd cats 368 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.120 at one hundred and fifty. And so you add that, 369 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.480 it just makes it more difficult to get things done, 370 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:31.399 more difficult to have an input. Yeah, smaller districts mean 371 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:33.919 it's going to be easier to elect somebody from your 372 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:37.720 neighborhood of your community, particularly when you've got bigger rural areas. 373 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.360 But in the end, I don't hear rural areas complaining 374 00:16:41.399 --> 00:16:44.639 about their legislators. What I hear is suburban and urban 375 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:49.639 people complaining that they want more Democrats because the legislature 376 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:55.080 doesn't share their statewide perspective. Really, Ohio is well represented 377 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:58.159 in the mix of the legislature. Is Ohio a sixty 378 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:01.519 five percent Republican state? Probably not, but we're certainly not 379 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:05.000 a fifty four percent Republican state. And as you go 380 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.920 through this mix, I think the current legislature can do 381 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:10.880 what you do. But here's the key. We elect people 382 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:13.680 to represent us. If you don't vote, I vote for you, 383 00:17:13.759 --> 00:17:16.079 that's right. If you don't like your representative. 384 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:17.359 Vote for you. Then I'll say to favor, don't know 385 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:17.839 what he's doing. 386 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.200 But if the other way was that this board of 387 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:24.119 experts would get together, I don't vote for to draw 388 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:26.440 the lines, and I have no say on what they do, 389 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:28.519 and they can pay themselves for what they want, and 390 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:30.119 I got no I want to have a say right 391 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:30.559 or wrong. 392 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.480 It was literally one of the worst ideas. And you've 393 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.680 seen the places that this has happened. It comes for 394 00:17:35.720 --> 00:17:38.240 a political outcome. You can't take politics out of a 395 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:42.640 political process. Drawing legislative lines is inherently political. And what 396 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:45.880 every time they've tried to do this effectively, what they 397 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:49.240 do is figure out a way to exercise their political 398 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:53.599 bias into the lines. The best solution in this area 399 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:56.160 is to have districts that are compact and that allow 400 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:58.400 people to be represented by people who are local and 401 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:00.200