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Speaker 1: Hello, Sally, how are you doing today?

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good eaton?

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Speaker 1: Actually I should say how are you doing in my

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new tomorrow that hasn't arrived yet, because you're down there

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in Australia.

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Speaker 2: That's right, it's a great day. You love it.

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Speaker 1: Hey, congratulations on Transfigured c. You have come up with

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the most creative way to promote the beauty and the

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love and the atmosphere of the ocean without saying this

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is a journalist's job. I'm going to talk like a journalist. No,

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you share a story.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a story. It's been cold and challenging. It's

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a story of two women who live in the sea.

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And you'd probably say, how can they breathe underwater? Well,

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one of them, called Laura, signs a special counch show

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on the beach. It's just like this one and you

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see that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 2: It's very beautiful and she puts it in her pocket

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and keeps it with her and it helps them breathe underwater.

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It directs them to where they have to go from

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one ecosystem to the next, just like a GPS, and

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it gives them information about all the beautiful and amazing

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sea creatures that they meet. Just like Wikipedia.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's very interesting the way that you just

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describe that in the ecosystems that they meet, because a

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lot of people think it's just one giant ocean, when

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in fact there are many different layers and levels of

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an open sea.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, definitely, there are many different ecosystems. Just at

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the coast, there's the mangroves, the estuary, the rocks, the

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sandy beaches and all thoughts. And then of course when

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you get underwater, there's the shallow water, the coral reef,

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the deeper water and Antarctic waters which are different again,

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and then there are the deep waterhs that go down

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several kilometers.

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Speaker 1: One of the things you put I was gonna see.

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One of the things that you put a lot of

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focus on is the fact that it's authentic. You're being

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very transparent because you really do bring together the essence

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of what you've learned as a student, and now you're

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teaching us through these paragraphs of a storyline.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. It's a story about the women whose

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relationship is a bit shaky. So they think that if

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they work on their own sells to improve their own

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psychological makeups, that their relationship will get better, and it does.

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And while they're doing this inner exploration, they're also doing

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an outer exploration of the ocean and meeting lots of

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wonderful sea creatures in the process. So the book is

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nature writing, which means that the natural environment is given

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just as much attention as any other of the main

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characters in the book. And that's why it's kind of

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two books in one.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'll give you that right there, right there, because

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it is because I mean, being a lover of the ocean,

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I do take it, you know, take it as the

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way that you're telling me the story of the ocean.

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But at the same time, I'm also in love the

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story of these two women that have come together to explore.

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I mean, you're right, it is two books in one,

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that's right. How did you keep them separated in the

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way of you know, because when it comes to continuity,

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you've got to stay true to it. Was it difficult

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to write like that? Was it? Two separate personalities inside

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of you, Sally?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've found it difficult. Because a lot

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of the things about the state creatures, their shape, their form,

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their behavior. It often parallels behavior of human beings, and

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so throughout the book, the state creatures were a parallel

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for the women, and towards the end of the book

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that becomes very significant.

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Speaker 1: A lot of our listen have never been beneath the

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surface of the water, and that's one of those things

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that when I went down beneath the water, that changed

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my life forever. And that's what I like about this.

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When she goes into the water and she's able to breathe,

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you give us that atmosphere of wow. Now you can

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see what everything has always been written about. You can

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experience it yourself. Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yes, there's nothing life a coral reef, A healthy coral reef, Yes,

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with all its colors and textures and shapes, it's just

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a wonderful thing. And every minute the fish does in

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from the other side, and then some other fish a

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different color comes from the other angle and it's just amazing.

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And it's Fir said that the Great Barrier reef in

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Australia is dying. The coral is bleaching, and that is

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because mainly of climate change.

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Speaker 1: I's going to ask you about that. Yeah, I was

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going to ask you about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because because with an extra CO two in the

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atmosphere that acidifies the water and the coral can't tolerate that.

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the smaller organisms in the sea like the coral, and

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so that's why they're losing their color and all the

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beauty is gone.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question when it comes to

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the coral in situations like that, would you say that

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the coral today is the dinosaur of yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Oh? I hope not.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay, I do hope. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, because

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it just seems like nobody wants to really delve in

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and really bring out the true message of saving the coral.

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I mean, it's not on the conversations of so many

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people here in America. It's like, save the planet. What

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are you talking about? The climate? It's out of control?

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like for you down there in Australia. You at least

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are embracing it, are you not? Oh? Yes.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people are aware of environmental issues now,

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which is wonderful because when I first got interested many

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years ago, there was just a small group of its.

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But now most people are aware to some extent, which

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is great. They don't always know the best thing to

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do to help as far as the ocean goes. On

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my website, I have listed the threats to the ocean,

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and I have listed things the practical things that we

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can do to help protect the ocean. And my website

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is Sally and Hunter.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that that really is weaved into

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this story. We have the story between the girls, and

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we also have the story of the ocean. I mean,

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there are three main characters in this book that you

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put a lot of love and attention on.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. And there's a storm at one stage

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in the book, and that parallels the relationship between the women.

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They are going through a stormy stage of things. And

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in fact, I could read your poems.

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Speaker 1: Jes I was going to bring up the poetry I was,

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I swear to you, I was going to bring it up.

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So yes, please, I would like to hear it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because we love the ocean. We love the beautiful

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colors in the state that change as the sky changes

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from her poise, the blue of different shades. But sometimes

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we don't like the ocean when it gets violent. For example,

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now Laura has a problem in her relationship with her

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mother and this poem is called Mother Sea, and it

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depicts the emotional problems between Laura and her mother, mother Sea.

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Mother Sea rejected me, did not wash me into shore,

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did not cast me away with seaweed and shells. She

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threw me jags, heads, lashed me, repeatedly, picking me up

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and throwing me onto points. Shreds and tears became food

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for the cheese of shark. Already met the passage, My

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central self was gone. Shreads of garments gasserts in deep underwaves,

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sinking without form, underweight of water phaging.

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Speaker 1: Mmm, you embrace that atmosphere, don't you. My goodness, you know,

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speaking of the ocean changing, you also put a lot

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of focus on how the moonlight affects the ocean as well,

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that there is a connection there. And until I read

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about that, I didn't realize the moonlight had its own

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place in the story.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes it does. And also the sunlight. Yes, the

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lusa on the surface of the ocean is similar to

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what Laura feels in her heart. It's as if two

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mirrors were opening in her heart, and there was a

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lot of shining light. And on the first page of

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the book, Laura, the mother of the sea. Sprite experiences that,

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and she talks to herself. She muses about the nature

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of the sea, and the sea is a whisper of

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emotion and a memory of intuition. It is a place

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of change, It is a dream. It is the fullness

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of the subconscious.

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Speaker 1: Isn't this story pretty much what we all want to

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experience when we go to an ocean shore. We all

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want to be able to step into that ocean and

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become a part of that journey as well. Because I

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really felt like a child, I felt like an adult,

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I felt like an explorer. You really plant that seed

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in saying you look beyond the pebbles of sand and

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step into the water.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but there's life in the sand.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes there is. Yes, there is.

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Speaker 2: There's life everywhere. And life is pretty wonderful at resisting

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and being resilient. But we have to not hinder that

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process but help it be part of nature, not opposed

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to it.

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Speaker 1: In the story are You Laura? Because I love how

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confident Laura is and how she expresses her true feelings.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she is a poet and a biologist. And yes,

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I wrote all the poems in the books.

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Speaker 1: It is about you, then, because because I mean, I mean,

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you're writing about both characters, and it's and it's like

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you do it so elegantly and and so connected. It's

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like going, oh my god, I love how she split

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these the you know, everything together here and it's like, Oh,

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just dive into it. Give me more, give me more.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. That's wonderful. Is well. People can obtain

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a copy of the book Transfigured c from my website

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uh so that's Sallyandhunter dot com, and they're able to

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find out about the different books I've written, including Transfigurancy

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and to uh and to order a coffee of the book,

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either from myself or from Bands and Noble or Amazon,

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or from their local show as well.

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Speaker 1: Wow, you've got to come back to this show anytime

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in the future. The door is always going to be open.

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I live in a forest. I totally understand nature. I

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protect my trees, I protect my soil, and you're doing

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the same exact thing when it comes to protecting those

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open seas.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's wonderful. Yes, I've read a book about a

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woman who lived in the faus. She loves the trees.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, So please come back to this show

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anytime in the future. The door is always going to

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be open for you. Sally.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, it's been the pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: Well, you'd be brilliant today, Okay, thank you