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Speaker 1: I looked over and I see this figure out of

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the corner of my eye. And as I look over,

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this red figure, it's like a flash of red, bright red,

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you know, about steven maybe seven and a half feet tall,

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catches my eye and right as I look over, I

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had my eye on him for about a second or two,

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it's gone. I don't know. It was almost like I

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could see legs and arms and everything. I could see

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the whole figure of the neck and the head and everything.

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It was almost like it blew itself up in red. Well.

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I was doing VF. Parro stuff before I even started

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going out by myself, kind of just to get a

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rundown of what they do and you know what I

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needed to know.

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Speaker 2: Like on one of their trips that they had.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like on one of their trips. Yeah, I went

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to like Yakama once and then I went to like

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northern Idaho another time. Yeah, up in the Panhandle. It

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by Courtlaine. And then I like a couple of years

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after that, I did the finding Bigfoot stuff in Cortline.

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That was all good experience, even though we didn't have

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a lot of activity.

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Speaker 2: Were part of the town hall of one of the episodes.

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Speaker 1: Whenever they came to Pocatello, I was able to get

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into that one. Or it took place in like a

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fort and they only allowed a certain amount of people

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into that one, and I basically got into that one,

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and I did take part in that one. But then

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when they had that when we were doing the show,

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they asked us not to come to the town hall,

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which is kind of a bummer because that was my

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favorite part. So I yeah, when they did it Cortlin,

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I wasn't able to go to that one, but I

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did a lot of running around with Matt and this

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and that, and.

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Speaker 2: How much of a difference was there behind the scenes

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with what was going on. You had the show, but like,

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were you guys actually out there big footing and stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit different than what you see on TV.

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And a lot of a lot of this stuff that

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they had that they had a stud didn't even make

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it on the show, some of the footage and stuff

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like that. I was always out with Matt or Byeboe

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or Tyler is one of the guys that does a

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lot of their scouting for like places to go, and

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so yeah, I was always out with somebody. It is

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kind of different like like on camera they would say, oh,

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you can't say that, Oh you can't do that. So

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there there was some of this and that that I

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didn't expect where they said, oh you should say that,

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or you can't say that on camera, or like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, did you take them to like an actual location

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where you had an encounter.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't take them too since they were in

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northern I do. I don't have a lot of experience

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with like the areas up there. They could do here

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because my encounter was sawtooths and bitter mountains and they're

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up in like clear water and there's there's a lot

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of activity up there, a lot more in here, and

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so no, I didn't really know where to go. I

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just knew, like you know, kind of like what they

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do how they researched from the BFROS site, Like, oh

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there's sighting here a year ago. Maybe we could go

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there and see if anything happens, you know, and then

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kind of kind of bouncing off the crip leaders and

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stuff like that. Even when I went out with Kevin.

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Kevin was the guy that I met at Yakawa. He

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did the one over here in northern Idaho. It was

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basically some of the same crew that came when Washington

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came over here. You know, you're helping the panhandles. So

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it's there's areas up there where it's gets thrilled, like

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Willington miles across, you know, way out there.

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Speaker 2: I've heard quite a few like very uh, I'm gonna

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say intense big foot encounters from Idaho over the years.

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Quite a few pretty amazing ones. What was your first encounter?

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Speaker 1: Like? So, basically me and a friend because I got

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I got onto all this doing hiking, you know, hiking

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in and out remote areas. And there's an area out

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there called Lion Lake. And so Lion Lake is a

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good I mean to take a dart road for probably

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twenty twenty five miles out outside of town once you

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leave the pavement and then you get to the trailhead

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and near another five or so five and a half

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miles into the lake. And so he and I went

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out there. And I'd been going every year right before

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he even started going with me to this same location, Yeah,

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to the same lake only because I had about activity

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ed Land Lake. So I'm like, okay, well I want

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to go there too, and I find out what this

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place is like and so I'd been going every year

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by myself with nobody hiking in, getting there early, coming back,

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not having activity, not spending the night and things like that,

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and then the one time I bring somebody, we ended

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up having to spend the night and it wasn't even

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planned out, I mean, was sleeping back or anything. We

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didn't have nothing, basically had a backpack, so because basically

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I was, we weren't hiking with a compass or anything

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like that, no GPS. It is kind of interesting how

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your stuff leaves the reception and batteries get dreamed really

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quickly out there, kind of like I don't know if

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you've heard about that, but BFRO always talks about that stuff.

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You know, battery batteries that were brand new go dad uh.

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charge within an hour. So there was that kind of

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stuff going on. And then I noticed that almost right

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away we were on the trail coming we went to

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the lake right and there's an old plane crash out there.

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There's an old plane crash froom like World War two,

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and those guys had to they had to get out

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of there on their own, and then they're picked up

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from there. But when we went to the plane crash,

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and it's just a whole of a plane, basically, there

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was a few parts here and there, and so we

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were coming back and of course I always take this

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shorter route, and my buddy's like, oh, no, let's go

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this way. It's gonna let's try a different way back.

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And I'm like, dude, we should never do that. We

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should never do that, you know, And you should always

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take the same route and take a different route if

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you don't know where you're going right with no map

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or nothing. So but I couldn't talk them out of it,

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and I'm like, oh, man, we shouldn't be doing this,

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or we should be doing this. So we ended up

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on a different trail. I knew we were headed in

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general direction of the main road we came in on.

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I was kind of nervous because I'm like, man, we

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should Why didn't we just go back the way we

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came and it would have been more since.

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Speaker 2: And you had never taken this other trail before.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'd never taken this other trail before other

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than looking at maps and doing there. I knew there

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was a couple of ways that you could go in

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but this route of about five miles or so is

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the shortest, and so as we're going out, I'm like, Okay,

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we're probably going towards the road, but then then we're

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going to have to figure out where the car is. Yeah,

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we we walked all day and it's getting to be

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dark and we're still walking, We're still going, we're still moving.

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And I just finally said, because it was almost i

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mean it was past nightfall, it was getting getting to

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be so dark, I just couldn't go anymore. And I

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could just feel the blisters on my feet. And I

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wasn't about to take my boots off or anything, but

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I just finally said, dude, I'm just gonna crash right here.

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I don't know what you're gonna do, but I'm just

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gonna lay lay it down right here on the trail.

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Speaker 2: Track, I mean, that had to be kind of terrifying, right.

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Speaker 1: I was a little nervous. I hadn't had a lot

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of a lot of activity at that point, but I'm

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still like, Okay, this is not good. I've never done

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this before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just in the sense of like not being prepared

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to stay overnight and all that and not knowing where

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you are really being prepared.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you know, and normally I don't even

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care abo backpack with me because it said day hike, right,

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you're in and you're out. Yeah, So I happened to

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have backpack and I had matches and stuff in there,

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and I was able to, like we gather up some

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wood and like started a little fire and things like that,

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and you know, sure enough we're out there. We could

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kind of hear like like he could he said he

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saw he heard wrestling like off the trail in the trees,

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because she was a little ahead of me. And I'm like, okay,

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that's kind of weird. Let's go a little further. And

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once we stopped, I just thought, well, we're going to

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camp here. Screw it. I mean, we're not going to

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get back to get a car in the next in

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fifteen minutes. So I figured it's going to be easier

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to wait till it's light again and then we'll, you know,

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we'll reassess what we're doing and keep going up to

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the road and hopefully find the car. And then right

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about then, like I'd gotten a fire started, and sure enough,

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we hear what's like sounded like some kind of like

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a like a siren or something like that, like a

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like a fire engine siren, but it's sounded like to us.

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And I mean, the thing was loud.

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Speaker 2: Was it nearby?

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Speaker 1: It was fairly close, but we couldn't see anything. I mean,

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it was black, and it didn't have a I didn't

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have like headlamper because I didn't bring any of that stuff.

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dead by then, so I didn't have a light source

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or anything. And then so we go to lay down

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and we decided, you know, we wanted to keep the

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fire going, right because it was kind of cool. It's July,

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but it's dull. It's gold up.

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Speaker 2: There right having a fire going.

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Speaker 1: Right, So we definitely had fire going, and we decided, well,

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let's just sleep. Well, one will take turns sleeping while

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the other one make sure the fire's going. So that's

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what we're doing. But as we were leaning down, we

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saw these like, you know, kind of like yellow warps

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and they were down close to the ground and I

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don't even know if it's eyes, I don't know what

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they were they were. They were yellow, but they were

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they weren't real bright. That was the weird thing. They were. Yeah,

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of a dim yellow. And it was kind of funny

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because he only remembered one and I remember it too,

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and I didn't know what to make of it. It

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was just it's really really bizarre.

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Speaker 2: Could you tell how far away they were?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Man, they weren't. They weren't. Probably only maybe thirty

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feet from.

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Speaker 2: Us maybe, so just kind of at the edge of

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the camp light.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh. Yeah, it was at that point in the

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trail there's a sick zag, and it was it was

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right at the edge of where the where you're turned

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to go back down, and and we didn't know what

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to make of it. I didn't even know if I

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should approach it at the time, because I just thought,

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what the heck is this sing? Yeah, you know, almost

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like taking in a movie. I mean, you didn't know

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what to think. And you know, it was there for

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these two hours or more. I mean it was there

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for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Did it stay in one spot or did it move around?

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Speaker 1: No, it stayed in one spot lower to the ground.

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They're so big around maybe a few inches of the cross,

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or so two and a half three inch of the

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crossed each one. Like when I was lit up, it

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was kind of like it was almost like giving up,

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like little puffs of smoke and stuff. So I didn't Yeah,

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I didn't know exactly what to make of it really

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at the time. And I'm like, do you see that?

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He's like, yeah, I see it, and so I know

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you saw it too, and I'm like, I don't know

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what to make of this whole thing. It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: And you guys had already heard the siren sound.

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Speaker 1: We had already heard this. Yeah, we had already heard

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the siren. The siren was the first thing that happened

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when we heard.

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Speaker 2: That you were going to this location because of your

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interest in Bigfoot? Was he interested in Bigfoot?

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Speaker 1: Two?

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Speaker 2: He was.

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Speaker 1: I started out as skeptic.

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Speaker 2: When you guys heard that siren call? Did you both

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just go to Bigfoot as the pos.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what to think of it. I mean

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I didn't. It's not like we heard wrestling and stuff

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like that, and the bushes after after that that was

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the weird thing. I mean, we heard it and then

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it stopped and that was it. And so I didn't

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know what to make of it. I mean, I surely

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was gonna run down there and find out what we

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call it on right, yeah's trail. But and I don't

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think he was going to either, So I just, uh,

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I was like, okay, let's keep on going, Let's see

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what happens here, all right, Yeah, yeah, almost like a

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roller coaster ride, like you don't know what to expect.

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And then you know, we had that, We had those

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yellow orbs for you know, a good two two and

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a half hours least, not more. And then about that time,

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like I'm just laying there, right, I mean I didn't

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really get a real sleep, But about that time I

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looked over and I see this figure out of the

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corner of my eye catches me and I'm thinking of

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it's something like maybe something's little off fire or whatever.

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And as I look over this red figure, it's like

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a flash of red, bright red, you know, about seven

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maybe seven and a half feet tall, catches my eye

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and right as I look over, I had my eye

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on it for about a second or two, it is gone.

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Her story didn't see that, I mean, he has back turned.

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But everything else I experience, he had the same experience

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I did.

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Speaker 2: So the red thing was that like eyeshine or what

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was that?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It was almost like I could see

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legs in arms and everything.

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Speaker 2: Like you could see the whole figure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I could see the whole figure of the neck

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and the head and everything, and it was almost like

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it blew itself up in red color red. Huh. And

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you know it was kind of funny because I talked

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to it, you know, because of course you get together

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with the BOFRO guys and I talked about that, and

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he goes, you have had other people say stuff like that,

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like that flash of red or a flash of color,

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We'll just pop up out of the door and you know,

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you're out the dark. So I mean, it's kind of

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hard to miss it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know what to make a the whole thing,

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and you know, it's pretty wild.

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Speaker 2: I mean, whenever it's dark, you know, the loss of

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light means loss of color vision, right, So whatever it was,

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I mean, it had to have been producing some sort

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of light for you to see the color red.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, that's like when I had green eyeshine, you

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know that. I brought that up with Renee and she

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was like, what was the lie source. And I'm like,

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I don't know what to tell you. Who's by a

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luminess and you're out there in darkness, you know, I

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mean there was no real light source. It wasn't very

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bright that night. He hardly seen stars out even you know, yeah, yeah,

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it was pretty dark without the fire, there wasn't much there.

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Speaker 2: And this red figure that you saw, I mean, was

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it like the classic shape of a bigfoot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a classic shape with conical head, yeah,

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almost snow neck, yeah, a little snow neck. And then

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you know, the whole experience was just, I guess, kind

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of surreal at that point. I mean, you don't know

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what's going on, what's happening. Yeah, And then and then

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like when we started heading out the next morning, like

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nothing happened after that other than sleeping. But the next

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morning when we started heading out, where we could hear

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calls going from one going to the other, and that

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was going on for a long time. When we started walking,

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it was probably like the birds were chirping. So I

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figured it had to be right around five thirty or six,

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and it was light enough to where we could see

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where we're going, and uh, weeked here you know, two

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calling back and forth to each other, and that went

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on for a good hour or so.

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Speaker 2: Were they on the opposite sides of the trail you

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were on or on the same side I'm.

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Speaker 1: Trying to think, because that trail turned and then it

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went through a stream and they were up on the

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other side, like they would have been further down the

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river and up like maybe midway up at all side.

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So I don't even know if they're on a trail

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or if they're just out there in the woods somewhere.

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At that point, I just wanted to tell out of there, right, Yeah,

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it was. It was another experience. I just want out

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of there at that point. But we're just like, what

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the hell is that? His first reaction is is his

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kids playing? And I'm thinking, dude, five thirty or six

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in the morning, my kids are can plain to be

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playing out here right.

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Speaker 2: Out in the wilderness. A couple of kids out there

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yelling at five thirty in the.

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Speaker 1: Morning, Yeah, right, yelling back and forth. And uh, there

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was you know, because what happened in the end is

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I was we're getting so sore from walking so long

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that he he ended up he ended up running ahead

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of me and by then we were you know, he

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went down this You go down the hill and then

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you go through there's like a bridge right there, a

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couple of bridges that you cross and you go up

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another little hill. By that time you get that far

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there was there was some campsites, so I guess he

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was just like beinging on somebody's door, like wanting to

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get help. He had to work that day. I didn't

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have to work, so he he was just like all nervous,

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he's gonna be late for work. But this guy, this

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guy ended up getting on his dirt bike and he

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ended up coming looking for me. Oh wow. Yeah, Eventually

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he did find me. But at that point, you know,

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I thought I'd lost him because you know, I had

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went as far as he went, and somehow he found

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that trailer, he found that camper, and I'm like, where

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the hell are you, dude, because and I was like

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yelling for him, like I didn't know what the heck

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was going on, right And at that time, like I

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was walking back and forth like I was I was

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since I was solo. I was just trying to move

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as much as I could. And I had done that

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like two or three times, like went down that hill

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over both those bridges, and then I had to be

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right in the vicinity where that campra was somewhere, but

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never did see it. And then the last time I

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was just determined. I'm like, Okay, screw this, and I'm

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thinking I'm just gonna walk back and go the way

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I came and freaking go back to where I know

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the car's at. And I was thinking I was just

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going to walk back. And then at that point, I

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was just I was sitting on my backpack for about

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ten minutes and I could hear this dirt by coming

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and I'm thinking, oh, man, this could be for me.

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So I was just sitting there for about fifteen minutes

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and I could hear the spike coming, you know, just

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turn up the trail, and then he got up to

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me and he stopped and he's like, are you wrong.

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I'm like, uh yeah. He's like, oh we Tory. Tory

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found us from there. I just got out of there.

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He gave us ride back to my car and everything. Wow.

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So yeah, it was quite the experience. I called the

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Loon Lake Ruby Meadow's Adventure. What do I call it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? That's crazy, man, Yeah, isn't it. I had no idea,

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And like I said, Idaho does not disappointed in the

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intense bigfoot encounters. But I think that might be one

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of the best ones for sure. Like the idea of

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kind of being lost out there in the middle of

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the wilderness and dealing with that, that's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, that's one of the more crazier ones that

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I've heard about too. My other experience was I didn't

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see anything, but I hiked in this before I had

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any hid any sightings. I hiked. I hiked in an

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area around here called Dry Canyon. I guess somebody had

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some activity in Dry Canyon just a couple of years ago.

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I haven't been over there in a long time, but

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in Dry Canyon I found a I didn't have anybody

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with me on that trip, but I found a castle

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hanging up on a lake on a broken tree branch,

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you know, about seven feet high or so.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: Just uh yeah, just castle hanging up high in a tree.

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Sounds like somebody had activity. They were just I think

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it's twenty twenty two or twenty three, something like that.

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Speaker 2: And I would assume no cattle in the.

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Speaker 1: Area, not that I know. I never did see any cattle.

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I'm sure, deer any other stuff, but I never did

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see in cows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like something I've heard several times.

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Speaker 1: I mean I heard that before.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people finding like random skulls kind of stuck up

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on trees out in the middle of the.

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Speaker 1: Woods, right, Yeah, it's kind of like a marker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then I've also heard like there's an area there's

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a town called McCall somewhere outside of my call, not

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tons in the mountains, but some somewhere outside of town.

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Or somebody said they found a big pile of bones

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and they're like, you know, bear doesn't do that. If

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it's not a person, then you know, that kind of

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narrows it down pretty quickly. Yeah, you know, if you're

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just finding some random bones, just like in a pile.

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I found something kind of similar. It wasn't really a pile,

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but it's kind of like just various buttons, maybe like

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ten along the canal.

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Speaker 2: Now, have you had any other sidings.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My other sighting was so there's an area called

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Redfish Lake. It's in the Sautus near Stanley. I mean,

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if there's a guy in my group, Travis Terry, he

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he's seen a whole family in that area. So I

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hiked in with him, and there's if you go, there's

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some bench lakes above Redfish. So we hiked into what's

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called Kramer Lakes. There's mid Cramer, there's a lower creamer,

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mid creamer, and upper creamer. And you and I hiked

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in there and we got to we got to we

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got to a campground on the first day, and we

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had something room through our camp you know, flash green ice,

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and this one was bigger. This one was taller, tously

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greens trouble what I've been told. But and this is

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a nightfall, you know, I could I could see a figure,

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but it wasn't like it was it's black either. And

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we had something room through. Well, what happened first was

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kind of weird because it had you know, we had

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something up above us, and it was kind of like

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a it's kind of like a shiny ball with points,

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you know, because we thought we were being paralleled on

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the trail. Anyway, way before any of this happened into camp, Yeah,

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like going into camp once we decided to start putting

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our camping stuff down and every thing we could you're

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wrestling in the grass. And then right about then I

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looked up and I could see a shining ball maybe

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like ten fifteen feet above the trees.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like this disco ball things. It was kind

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of like that, but I had points on it, and

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I asked Travis.

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Speaker 1: I was like, hey, do you see that? He goes yep,

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And it was there for like maybe seventy eight seconds,

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and then all of a sudden, it just lowered itself

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into the trees and then nothing for about a minute

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or two, and then right about then this figure rooms

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through our camp. Wow. Yeah, I know. And this one

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was I think it was bigger. It looked like a male.

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To me, it seemed like it was bigger, but also

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a knical head, and it just, you know, it flashed

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with green eyes at us. I'm just looking at him, going,

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what the hell was that? And so we're there two nights.

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So that happened the first night. We didn't have anything

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else happened that night other than that. And then the

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next night I got a whoop, like after I'd been

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in my tent already, and I asked him, I was like,

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did you hear that? And he said he didn't hear it.

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Speaker 2: So whenever you said it flashed its green eyes at you,

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the eyes aren't lit up and then they are like

475
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,599
it like a flash.

476
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really you know, the way it moved,

477
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:49,799
it had perfect Patterson gimblin for him with the arms

478
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,279
way and everything, and how the hallow legs spread apart,

479
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:57,440
and he you know, he's looking at us and then

480
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,799
he looks forward. He looks at us again, did that

481
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:06,759
a few times. And then those those eyes were I

482
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,039
don't think of it. I don't think of it as

483
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:14,920
a reflection. I mean, this is an actual shine. But

484
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,440
it was different than like like when you see deer's

485
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,319
eyes or or whatever and they pop out front of

486
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,000
your car and kind of get that reflection. It wasn't

487
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:27,400
like that. These eyes really lit up.

488
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: And this ball that you saw it looked metallic.

489
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, looked at my talla kind of like but it

490
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,880
looked kind of kind of like a mirror. So I

491
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,839
told other people about this and they and they, like,

492
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,720
my one friend Greg said, yeah, I was must have

493
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:48,920
been importal, And I'm like, I don't know. We didn't,

494
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,599
you know, we we thought we were being trailed or

495
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,720
paralleled on the trail, but you know the thing so stealth,

496
00:31:56,799 --> 00:32:00,160
we didn't hear hear a lot, you know here you're

497
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,240
a tweag snap once in a while. But it wasn't

498
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:05,039
like it was a big wrestling and all that for

499
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:06,160
something that big.

500
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: How big was the ball thing?

501
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,519
Speaker 1: The ball was probably it was like basketball size probably.

502
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: And it had you said, like spikes all over it.

503
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:21,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it had like points all all the way around it.

504
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,920
And it was like pulsing, you know. When it was moving,

505
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680
it was like going in and out.

506
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:29,599
Speaker 2: Wow.

507
00:32:30,119 --> 00:32:34,759
Speaker 1: And then as it's doing that, it's it's also a lowering, luring, luring, lawing,

508
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:38,200
you know, and then thinking to myself, what the hell

509
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:42,640
is that? Never seeing anything like that, so I was like,

510
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:43,759
what the hell.

511
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,079
Speaker 2: Any sound associated with it?

512
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: No, I think so I don't remember any sound.

513
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:57,559
Speaker 2: Man. I don't think I've ever heard anything like that before.

514
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,440
I've heard a lot of or stories, you know, but

515
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,240
like nothing like a metallic ball or anything.

516
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was that was kind of hair raising. I've

517
00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:14,559
heard about it once before. But you know when they

518
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:19,200
say this thing like Mildrum's license North American Ape, and

519
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:23,079
I'm like, is it early ape or is it something

520
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,559
like we don't know, we might not even know what

521
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,960
this thing is, you know. Yeah, So the more I

522
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:33,119
researched it. The more I find out, I'm like, is

523
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,640
it even from Earth? You know? I mean, when stuff

524
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,960
like this happens, really got to make you wonder.

525
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:43,359
Speaker 2: And did anything like follow you guys out or mess

526
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,279
with you after that?

527
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:49,359
Speaker 1: No, but you know, there was kind of weird because

528
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:55,440
I don't remember anything else. But you know, years ago,

529
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,359
I think it was like two twelve or twenty thirteen,

530
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:07,680
there was a guy that hiked in there alone and

531
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:13,199
he so we're there, so it's got that bench lake.

532
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,880
We went to the right and pretty much stayed to

533
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,039
the right until we got to the upper lakes. He

534
00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:23,000
went to the left and stayed to the left and

535
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:25,599
went to a different area. I haven't been there, but

536
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,559
think there's an area in there called the Elephant's Perch.

537
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:34,079
And I don't know exactly where he was, but he

538
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,920
ended up he ended up coming up missing, and they

539
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,559
never they never did find him, and they never did

540
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:45,519
find like what happened to him or anything. But I

541
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:51,519
remember hearing about it. And then it was like the

542
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:54,519
they searched an area a few different times, and then

543
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,840
they went back to the same area and his belongings

544
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,800
were there. Oh wow, Yeah, weird.

545
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: Huh have you ever experienced like missing time or anything.

546
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,119
Speaker 1: No, I haven't really had anything like that happened. All

547
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:14,800
I know is like for me, I never did have

548
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:23,280
any UFO experiences prior to this stuff. But now I've

549
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:29,480
definitely seen stuff I can't explain. Not missing time, but yeah,

550
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,159
I've definitely seen some things I can't explain, like.

551
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: Just randomly things in the sky or things that you think.

552
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: Are like, well different things. I used to get this

553
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,639
light that I would see up this sky and this

554
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:55,679
is a Super Bowl night of twenty thirteen. Yeah, So

555
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,960
I was driving back. I watched the game at my

556
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:02,280
brother's house and driving home and I was on my

557
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:07,719
way home and I'm driving home. I'm like, see this light,

558
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,440
you know, kind of but not very high up, And

559
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,880
I'm like, what the hell is that? So I turned

560
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,679
the car off, because that car had the light should

561
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:20,519
stay on unless the car was off. So I turned

562
00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:23,840
the car off and got the binoculars out, and I

563
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,679
could see something kind of like diamond shaped with the

564
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,920
multicolored and you know, the lights were multicolors of spinning. Yeah,

565
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,119
And I was watching them for about seventy eight seconds,

566
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:42,440
and right about then it just ISSU went zipped up

567
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:48,320
you know, straight up, and then right about then it

568
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,320
started fallowing the ridgeline as hill and so I'm like, okay,

569
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,760
I'm following it. So I followed it up this canion

570
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:01,719
and I went about eight or nine miles up the stanyon.

571
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,280
But it was winter, so I got to a point.

572
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,599
But I I mean, when I was following it, it's

573
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,719
winter time and I'm on the dirt Whart's normally a

574
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,559
dirt road, driving, you know, as fast as I could,

575
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:20,239
probably fifty miles an hour follow us soon and the

576
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,480
roads roads, I'll run it out and everything. And uh,

577
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,480
I was trying trying my best follow it. And there's

578
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:33,320
an old hot springs there that everybody used to go

579
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,360
to and ride to. Hot Springs is where the where

580
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,000
the the road was plowed after that. So this thing

581
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,199
just it was just kind of cruising and right as

582
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,000
I stopped, it just kind of went over the hood

583
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,719
of the car and just kept going. And then next

584
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,280
next canyon over that way is green Corn because that's

585
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,519
where we used to ride motorcycles in the air a lot.

586
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,679
So I thing just cruised right over the top of

587
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,519
the car and just kept cruising back the other way. Wow,

588
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,880
that was definitely interesting and I think I've seen that.

589
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:15,119
Speaker 2: More than once, like that same one.

590
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a diamond shape and it spins and

591
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,280
you know at the multi colored lights, and it's always

592
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,599
pretty close to the ground, you know, because it wasn't

593
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,079
as high as the hill that have followed and it stop,

594
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,199
it went straight up and just kind of followed the

595
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,920
ridge of the hill, and then that's when I started

596
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:40,519
following it.

597
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: Are UFO something that's commonly reported in the area.

598
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have some UFO stuff going on. I don't

599
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:54,119
know how much they have going on up there, but

600
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:58,599
we definitely have definitely up there they have bigfoot stuff

601
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:02,440
and in there, I think there's been some USO stuff,

602
00:39:03,519 --> 00:39:06,599
not like Area fifty one stuff, but definitely some stuff

603
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:12,760
right m And then another time I was walking here

604
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,239
with my dog. There's this little area where I follow

605
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,960
a canal and I've kind of heard about stuff in

606
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:26,280
that kind of in that adrenal area, even though I

607
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,360
haven't had anything happen. And we always follow the canal

608
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,119
and we kind of we get off off the bench

609
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:36,480
and then go down by the canal and then it

610
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:38,320
kind of goes to a little area where the dog

611
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,800
can play and stuff. As we were coming back, I

612
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:51,519
saw two little craft, you know, too small craft just cruising,

613
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:56,000
not going very fast. Each had a red light and

614
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:56,920
a green light.

615
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 3: And.

616
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: It was pretty It was pretty wild because they were

617
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:08,400
you almost can't see them. If they didn't have a

618
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,800
light on them, you would almost miss it. And they

619
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,880
each had two lights. But then as I'm looking at it,

620
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,920
I mean I didn't want to come over by us, hopefully,

621
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,760
but I mean the dog just stopped and I got

622
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,880
down and I'm just kind of watching it because it

623
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,559
was on the other side of the fence. Yeah, and

624
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:34,320
as I'm watching it, I swear I could see, like,

625
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:40,119
you know, a little being in there, like piloting this craft.

626
00:40:40,199 --> 00:40:43,800
I mean it's freaking the wildest thing ever. Yeah, like pilot,

627
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,360
Like I could see something moving around in there. It

628
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,039
wasn't very big craft, so I mean it was pretty

629
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:55,679
small to be in that craft because it wasn't very big.

630
00:40:56,679 --> 00:40:58,760
You know. You hear these stories where they could be

631
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,320
nine feet tall and it could be like inches tall.

632
00:41:02,599 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: So I don't know, and what shape was the crafts

633
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:10,639
the craft was so I could make out kind of like.

634
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:18,559
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like classic similar like like I

635
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:20,960
used to watch Judson's when I was younger, and I

636
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,519
remember that had the glass top and then it kind

637
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:28,440
of had the ring around it. But this was really

638
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:34,400
small and scale to that one, but it was similar

639
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,880
to that. Yeah, that's That's basically all I remember about that.

640
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: So do you think there's a connection between the Bigfoot

641
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:43,559
and this stuff?

642
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:47,159
Speaker 1: Well, it makes you wonder, you know, you never think,

643
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,480
you never think. So tell you have a sighting and

644
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,480
then all of a sudden, all this other stuff happening

645
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,199
starts happening, and then it's got to make you wonder,

646
00:41:56,599 --> 00:42:00,519
you know, is it connected? Or it also make wonder

647
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:03,800
you know, who's you know they talk about these men

648
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:09,000
in black and it just your brain just goes crazy

649
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:12,239
with stuff, you know, of what's really going on when

650
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,000
you start having all this stuff going on.

651
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,119
Speaker 2: One of the stories I've heard about Idaho, a guy

652
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,400
came on the show talking about it, was he had

653
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:30,000
an encounter with what he described as a wolf, a

654
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:36,679
black wolf, but it was like incredibly large, like six

655
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,519
foot tall at the shoulder. Have you heard anything about

656
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,199
giant wolves or anything in the area.

657
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:47,639
Speaker 1: I haven't heard a lot about it. My friend Travis,

658
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:53,719
when I had my second account said he came across

659
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:58,119
something like that on the green Belt. Stay caught over here.

660
00:42:58,159 --> 00:43:02,599
It's just a bike path along the river, and he

661
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,079
said he came across something like that. I think he

662
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,840
said it was wee hours in the morning, and it

663
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,719
sounded like it was, you know whatever Ready thinks of

664
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:19,079
his dog man. And I've never come across anything like that,

665
00:43:19,199 --> 00:43:24,440
but you know, Wisconsin and Minnesota and those places seems

666
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,559
like they have a lot of stories like that.

667
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: There seems to be quite a few stories of those

668
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,119
type things up in the Northern States. Yeah, that will

669
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,679
about do it. I know you're busy, so I don't

670
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:37,440
want to keep you too long or anything, but I

671
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,800
appreciate you coming on here and sharing some of your encounters.

672
00:43:41,199 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for having me.

673
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,159
Speaker 2: If you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or something else

674
00:43:46,159 --> 00:43:47,880
you can't explain you'd like to share your story on

675
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,320
the podcast, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.

676
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,880
Check out the website Bigfoot Crossroads dot com. You can

677
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,599
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678
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:04,880
need all in one and until next I remember, there's

679
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:05,840
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