Speaker 1: It's night Sime with Dan Ray. I'm telling you easy, Boston.
Speaker 2: All right, we are continuing our conversation, and again I
Speaker 2: hope more of you will participate in this conversation. We're
Speaker 2: talking about the Trump administration's battle with Harvard University, and
Speaker 2: the Trump administration has made it clear that it not
Speaker 2: only wants to withhold couple of billion dollars, a couple
Speaker 2: of hundred million dollars for start for starters, and then
Speaker 2: potentially nine billion dollars many of that research money, but
Speaker 2: beyond that, they're saying that Harvard has to comply with
Speaker 2: these demands. And I've quoted them for you, and I
Speaker 2: am prepared to quote them again. I think the the
Speaker 2: demands are huge overreach, and I think think that they
Speaker 2: are so much of an overreach that Harvard's not going
Speaker 2: to be able to comply because if they did comply,
Speaker 2: they would they would basically abandon a lot of principles.
Speaker 2: And I just think that the Trump administration is trying
Speaker 2: to start so many battles on so many fronts, and
Speaker 2: I think they're overextended, and it's almost like in a
Speaker 2: military action, in my opinion, that you have to keep
Speaker 2: your front lines together, and you move slowly, or you
Speaker 2: move as quickly as you can, but you don't move
Speaker 2: too quickly so that your lines are breached. And I
Speaker 2: think what is going on here is that there are
Speaker 2: so many fights that the administration either has decided to join.
Speaker 2: I think they have done a good job on the border.
Speaker 2: I think everyone, even probably many of his fiercest critics,
Speaker 2: would say, Okay, that's not bad. The border was wide open.
Speaker 2: But to go after these students, I want to know
Speaker 2: what the evidence is. If you're going to pick someone
Speaker 2: up off the streets of Somerville, show me some evidence.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna the guy in Columbia, there's there was
Speaker 2: a lot more evidence against him. I think he's I
Speaker 2: don't think he's going to be around here a long time.
Speaker 2: He was one of the organizers of those demonstrators at
Speaker 2: those demonstrations at Columbia which blocked pastors of Jewish students.
Speaker 2: They they they they occupied buildings on the campus. That's
Speaker 2: a whole different story. That's a whole different story than
Speaker 2: someone who wrote an op ed in the tough student newspapers.
Speaker 2: So my question is really simple. I think that the
Speaker 2: Trump administration is spending a lot of political capital, and
Speaker 2: if you overspend your political capital, it's a huge mistake. Now,
Speaker 2: I know he wants to get things done before the
Speaker 2: midterm elections, but the midterm elections are still at this point,
Speaker 2: more than a year and a half away. Let's go
Speaker 2: to calls. The only lines open right now is six, one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. Let me go next to Mike and Beverly. Mike,
Speaker 2: I appreciate your patience, your health through the news. Go
Speaker 2: right ahead, Mike, welcome.
Speaker 3: Hey, Dan, can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Here you find Mike. Thanks for your patience.
Speaker 3: So I find it comical, Dan, how do you get
Speaker 3: real estate development out of a Hogvard situation? Is beyond me?
Speaker 4: How does that come and do it?
Speaker 2: I don't understand the question. How are we going to
Speaker 2: get real estate development?
Speaker 5: You?
Speaker 3: I heard you a little while ago talking about something
Speaker 3: about Trump talking about real estate about the Hogvard situation,
Speaker 3: and then I don't understand how you trying to get
Speaker 3: a Oh no.
Speaker 2: The analogy, Yeah, okay, I got your question. Now. The
Speaker 2: analogy that I was drawing is that that and Harvey
Speaker 2: Silverglade has dealt with Donald Trump in some negotiations in
Speaker 2: New York so he has more experienced at this than
Speaker 2: I do. But it is my observation that when Donald
Speaker 2: Trump talks about the art of the deal, a lot
Speaker 2: of the art of the deal is asking for three
Speaker 2: times as much as you ever expect to get and
Speaker 2: then settling for half of that. But it's one thing
Speaker 2: to be in a real estate transaction in New York
Speaker 2: which is not going to generate a lot of public comment.
Speaker 2: And that was the analogy I was trying to make
Speaker 2: that he was a successful real estate guy by because
Speaker 2: he often, you know, over asked, oversought, overreached on these
Speaker 2: deals and he didn't get everything, but he got a
Speaker 2: lot of what he asked for. This is a different situation.
Speaker 2: He's asking Harvard too. He's asking Harvard to basically to
Speaker 2: to turn their academic institution, their independent academic institution, into
Speaker 2: something which is in effect going to be run by
Speaker 2: the government. Now, you might like it right now because
Speaker 2: the guy who's in parte in charge of the government
Speaker 2: agrees with Mike from Beverly. But what do you do
Speaker 2: if Bernie Sanders is elected four years from now, or
Speaker 2: better yet, AOC is elected four years from now, and
Speaker 2: then she's gonna her administration is gonna run Harvard. Is
Speaker 2: that a good thing?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 3: All the has to do with the situation in the
Speaker 3: anti simmatism and the divers exors inclusion in Harvard. I mean,
Speaker 3: are you okay with people burn American flags and promo
Speaker 3: Hamas on coust candidate because I'm not.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, I'm going to agree with you, okay. However, However,
Speaker 2: there's a difference between someone burning an American flag in
Speaker 2: the middle of a quad and saying, I hope you
Speaker 2: know I love Hamas, particularly if it's a citizen. Now, okay,
Speaker 2: If if there's a US citizen, as much as you
Speaker 2: and I might agree with that, that is a free
Speaker 2: speech issue. If that same US citizen, after they burned
Speaker 2: the American flag, decided to take over a building and
Speaker 2: keep students from leaving the building or prevent students from
Speaker 2: nentoring the building, that's a very different set of circumstances.
Speaker 3: That's the whole point they're doing. Most of the people
Speaker 3: that do Hamas what are our citizens. They're college people
Speaker 3: from other countries. And it's a proven fact that Hamas
Speaker 3: is promoting the money between their whole situation, it has
Speaker 3: been proven that all that sort of stuff. Is the
Speaker 3: money funding to Hamas, Because the people that do all
Speaker 3: that sort of stuff to help the college kids are
Speaker 3: funding to HAMAS. So there's a boom back there, just
Speaker 3: free and knowledge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let me just say this, I haven't seen
Speaker 2: that evidence. I certainly am looking forward to see that evidence.
Speaker 2: But the question that we're focused on is the actions
Speaker 2: of the individuals who we are thinking of deporting. And
Speaker 2: if there is someone in this country who is actively
Speaker 2: supporting HAMAS, I'm ready to I'm ready to throw them out.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: We'll give them due process, we'll give them a hearing,
Speaker 2: but we throw them out. In terms of the gang members,
Speaker 2: I'm more than happy to give the gang members sort
Speaker 2: of cumulative due process. Decide that that Trente Daragora is
Speaker 2: a terrorist organization and that people who we know are
Speaker 2: members of that organization in this country out of here,
Speaker 2: out of here, and we can do that in one
Speaker 2: hearing in an immigration court if we have to, and
Speaker 2: just go right through it. Okay. So yeah, I'm in
Speaker 2: agreement with a lot of what you're saying, Mike. Whether
Speaker 2: you realize it or not.
Speaker 3: Well, I just don't hear it. Like it's not free speech.
Speaker 3: Some people aren't always reach meaning it's not free speech
Speaker 3: if you if you're you know, harassing Jewish students all
Speaker 3: this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Agree with you, I agree with you. I agree with you.
Speaker 3: People want to speech and it's not I agree with you, Mike.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. And I made that point last
Speaker 2: hour with some of the callers, and I made that
Speaker 2: point with Harvey silver Glade, and Harvey silver Glade I
Speaker 2: think agreed with me. There is a difference between burning
Speaker 2: an American flag in the middle of the quad, you know,
Speaker 2: in the middle of the area, or then going in
Speaker 2: and holding, kidnapping people, keeping them in a building, or
Speaker 2: preventing them from getting into classes. We're in much more
Speaker 2: agree with Mike, I think than you realize.
Speaker 3: I left guy from him with them a lot ago,
Speaker 3: and you know, like you know, free speech. And let's see,
Speaker 3: I don't understand the guy writ in recollection about the
Speaker 3: whole situation. I mean, quickly, I know you got to go,
Speaker 3: but quickly. The tough lady is a lady that went
Speaker 3: to that country when the terrorist guy got killed, and
Speaker 3: she was promoting.
Speaker 2: That no no no, no, no, no no no, that
Speaker 2: was that. That is the the doctor the the faculty
Speaker 2: member from Brown who went to the funeral. So yeah, again,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to straighten everything out for you, Mike,
Speaker 2: but I'm just gonna tell you think we're in more
Speaker 2: agreement than you realize. I got to run, Mike, because
Speaker 2: we've been seven minutes and I got back lines. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling here on Nightside. We got a very
Speaker 2: quick break. I'll be right back. I got Bernie coming up,
Speaker 2: I got Greg, Matt, Tina jump on board. Folks, feel
Speaker 2: free to fill these lines up. We only got one
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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Let's keep rolling here. Bernie next on Nice.
Speaker 8: I go ahead, Bernie, Hey Dan, how are we doing tonight?
Speaker 2: I think I'm doing okay. You tell me, go ahead,
Speaker 2: You're doing well.
Speaker 6: And thank you for them.
Speaker 8: Guess they were a really good guests.
Speaker 9: I mean, thank you if they they're critical of Hobbin
Speaker 9: on the points that they should be critical, but they
Speaker 9: don't they stand on principle or try with the academic quality,
Speaker 9: you know, freedom and just stands up the Trump because,
Speaker 9: as you well know, I was a Trump voter.
Speaker 8: I agree with some of the stuff that he's doing,
Speaker 8: and and you know, like he's, like you said, I
Speaker 8: understand the oddo of the dal he sets. He sets
Speaker 8: a hard line because it's easy, you know, it's back
Speaker 8: off of a high line than to uh set a
Speaker 8: narrow line and then try and move forward.
Speaker 7: And that's what I just.
Speaker 2: I just think that some of the things that he's
Speaker 2: asking Harvard to do, Harvard would be out of their mind.
Speaker 2: I mean, essentially, he's asking Harvard to surrender the control
Speaker 2: and the running of the university to federal monitors. I mean,
Speaker 2: I I don't see how Harvard could possibly agree to
Speaker 2: any of that. There are some things that I'd like
Speaker 2: to see Harvard do. He has what the prevent to
Speaker 2: prevent admitting students hostile to the American values and institutions
Speaker 2: inscribed in the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence. That's
Speaker 2: pretty vague. I mean, there are people who say, I
Speaker 2: believe in the Constitution, I believe the Declaration of Independence,
Speaker 2: who probably vote for things and candidates that Donald Trump
Speaker 2: were to pose. I just think it's arbitrary, vague, and capricious.
Speaker 2: And he's asking Harvard to basically say, open your doors,
Speaker 2: open your books, let us run your callege let us
Speaker 2: run your university. How could Harvard agree to that?
Speaker 8: And absolutely? And you know what makes this country great
Speaker 8: is our ability to have different political points of view. Dad,
Speaker 8: I don't have to necessarily agree with everything that you say,
Speaker 8: but if I listen to you, maybe I can get
Speaker 8: some information from that. What Trump he seems to If
Speaker 8: you don't agree with his point of view, it's like
Speaker 8: off with your head.
Speaker 10: And I'm a Trump you know.
Speaker 8: I vote to put Trump. I agree with a lot
Speaker 8: of stuff. I think he's good for a country, but
Speaker 8: he just doesn't want to participate in open dialogue. And
Speaker 8: that's what makes this country great. I don't have to
Speaker 8: agree with Bernie Sanders, but you know what, I respect
Speaker 8: Bernie Sanders because he believes in what he believes and
Speaker 8: some of the stuff he says it's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I hear you. I am not a Bernie
Speaker 2: Sanders fan. I'm not an Elizabeth Warren fan. I actually
Speaker 2: think that Bernie Sanders actually does have a set of
Speaker 2: core beliefs. I'm not sure that Elizabeth Warren has any
Speaker 2: set of core beliefs other than what can I say
Speaker 2: that will get me elected? That's I think her campaign
Speaker 2: motto and her slogan. But trum Trump is acting like
Speaker 2: a bullet and china shop and he's talking about his
Speaker 2: landslide and his mandate. He doesn't have a he didn't
Speaker 2: get a landslide. He didn't get a mandate. And if
Speaker 2: he's functioning under that belief, he's good. Want to lose
Speaker 2: a lot of the people who supported him and maybe
Speaker 2: supported him reluctantly, and at that point it's going to
Speaker 2: be very difficult to get those people to come back
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 8: Well, I would just like to say one more things
Speaker 8: than and hire Poard Habard for their stan I don't
Speaker 8: agree with everything you know what, Like you said, I
Speaker 8: don't we give people political or work bisus to come
Speaker 8: to this country. They're not actual citizens, they haven't agreed
Speaker 8: to be citizens. So entitled to the point of view absolutely,
Speaker 8: and entitled to voice to the point of view to
Speaker 8: a point years until it becomes obstructive and against the
Speaker 8: principles of this country.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Bernie. It's always thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 8: Have a good night, Dan, Thank you sir.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll catching up a little bit here. Let
Speaker 2: me go to Tina in Moonsak and Rhode Island, Tina,
Speaker 2: you were next on Nightside.
Speaker 11: Welcome, Yes, yes, Hi Dan, I am for Havid A
Speaker 11: Hi Dan, I am for Havid.
Speaker 12: One hundred percent.
Speaker 11: I listened yesterday when Jeff when Waltham was on, and
Speaker 11: I can understand the argument about they have an endowment
Speaker 11: and their tax and THEMS and all this money goes
Speaker 11: to Harvid. And then when I was listening to Hobby Silvergraade,
Speaker 11: he says, I don't care if they took all that
Speaker 11: money and dumped it down the toilet.
Speaker 12: I mean, I just believe in the institutions of higher learning.
Speaker 12: Let's be educated, let the professors, let the teachers be
Speaker 12: the ones who determine Habvid's future, not Donald Trump. And
Speaker 12: I think you know, if I had a chance to
Speaker 12: do it over I wouldn't have gone into a one
Speaker 12: year practical nurse program. If I would have to do
Speaker 12: my life over again, I would have taken political science
Speaker 12: and I would have gone to a four year college,
Speaker 12: maybe a university. So I'm all for Harvid.
Speaker 2: Or you're listening to political science conversations on Night Side
Speaker 2: most every night, you're going to get a degree. You're
Speaker 2: going to get a degree in political science. From Nightside.
Speaker 12: That's right, So why I'm favar all the way.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks Tina. Always great to hear your voice.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
Speaker 6: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Have a great night at night. Let me keep rolling here,
Speaker 2: gonna go to Matt and Franklin. Matt, you were next
Speaker 2: on Nightsigger right here, Matt.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 6: What I was gonna say is, I think the whole
Speaker 6: issue with this thing is that Trump's coming from like
Speaker 6: an ideologue where it's like, winn or lose. My my
Speaker 6: base will be happy that I'm challenging Harvard and then
Speaker 6: Maine for the transgender thing. And it's like, you're probably
Speaker 6: gonna lose at least one of those, if not both.
Speaker 6: It's gonna cost a fortune. It's gonna hurt Harvard in
Speaker 6: Massachusetts and Maine in their case. And it's like and
Speaker 6: it's like all for what. It's like, you're coming out,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna help, I'm gonna go after the Palestidians. And
Speaker 6: then it's like you're gonna get probably Jewish groups to
Speaker 6: challenge Trump in the name of the Palaestindians. So it's
Speaker 6: like a whole and then you gonna end up losing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you you hit a lot of points. I think
Speaker 2: he has overplayed his hand with Harvard. I think he's
Speaker 2: going to be able to prevail against Governor Mills in Maine,
Speaker 2: she said. I believe, she said, and I'll always be
Speaker 2: happy to be corrected that of all the students who
Speaker 2: are playing high school sports in Maine, there are only
Speaker 2: two transgender students.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's like, well, that's all. That's the other thing. It's
Speaker 6: like between Harvard and Maine. It's like, this is really
Speaker 6: the hill We're going to die on the challenge Donald Trump,
Speaker 6: It's like.
Speaker 2: Well, I think by like, well, no, I think I
Speaker 2: think that on the transgender school issue, when you talk
Speaker 2: when you introduced Title nine and women the right to
Speaker 2: play in sports, and look at Seth Moulton, who's a
Speaker 2: Democratic congressman from Massachusetts, talked about he was concerned if
Speaker 2: his daughters were of age to play high school sports
Speaker 2: that they would be compete against a biological male, a
Speaker 2: transgender male who's in the process of becoming female. I
Speaker 2: don't think that's a winning issue for Governor Mills in Maine. Fact,
Speaker 2: and so I think that he wins politically on that issue,
Speaker 2: and he also his base is with him on an
Speaker 2: issue he loses, in my opinion, legally to Harvard, and
Speaker 2: his base stays with him. But a lot of people
Speaker 2: who voted for him and weren't necessarily committed to him
Speaker 2: as a member of the base, he'll lose them on
Speaker 2: that issue. So each issue kind of a little different.
Speaker 6: Won most of New States by like a half a
Speaker 6: percentage point or a percentage of a half.
Speaker 7: And it's like he's.
Speaker 6: Tanken the economy in the name of the image of
Speaker 6: Donald Trump and his advisors, and it's like he's just
Speaker 6: going all over the place like, yeah, he's doing some
Speaker 6: great things. But like Harvey said, like a clock's right
Speaker 6: twice a brekeon clocks.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't, and again we might, we might disagree
Speaker 2: in this. I'm not happy with how he has handled
Speaker 2: the tariff thing, to be really honest with you, Okay, However,
Speaker 2: I understand what he's trying to do. He believes that
Speaker 2: we need to bring manufacturing back to this country, and
Speaker 2: part of his base are blue collar workers who traditionally
Speaker 2: used to vote Democratic but have found an ally in
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. He's basically doing what that part of his
Speaker 2: coalition will celebrate. I'm hoping he's right on that, and
Speaker 2: I'm hoping we can get more manufacturers.
Speaker 6: It's like Harvard isn't going to lay off the professors.
Speaker 6: They're going to lay off the blue collar workers at
Speaker 6: Harvard before they lay off the professor. So it's like
Speaker 6: he's hurting his base on the process as well.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you, the United Auto Workers or the
Speaker 2: Teamsters union have a lot more voters than the blue
Speaker 2: collar Yeah. Yeah, so, I mean I think, you know,
Speaker 2: they look at it, you know, how what does this do?
Speaker 2: What does that do? But it's complicated. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, I think that every time he loses in court,
Speaker 2: it hurts him. Now he's one sum in court, he's
Speaker 2: one sum in court.
Speaker 6: But it's also early in the process, for early three
Speaker 6: months into his administration, all over the course.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so, I mean, if he's going to gamble,
Speaker 2: this is the time to gamble. Now, maybe he gambles
Speaker 2: and he loses everything, and uh, eighteen months from now
Speaker 2: the Democrats come back and and pull bring back Senate seats,
Speaker 2: take control of both the House and the Senate. We
Speaker 2: will see. It's all it's high political stakes. Let's put
Speaker 2: it like that. Hey, Matt, thank you much. For your call.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's keep rolling here. I'm gonna get try
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Speaker 2: Hey Greg, welcome back.
Speaker 13: He thanks then, good to talk to you again. I
Speaker 13: didn't get yeah, thank you.
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 13: I didn't get the whole program tonight, but I kind
Speaker 13: of got the gist of, uh talking about people who
Speaker 13: stirred up in your country? Should they be deported? You know,
Speaker 13: the freedom of speech? And I just I look, I
Speaker 13: just look around, Uh, how things have gone well in
Speaker 13: this country of mine anyways? And I'm all for freedom
Speaker 13: of speech and freedom of expression and all like all
Speaker 13: that good stuff democracy uh stands for. But there, to me,
Speaker 13: there's a red lion in the sand when even in
Speaker 13: this country, I see it where there's people advocating supporting
Speaker 13: a mos chanting death to America. They're they're pretty much
Speaker 13: just saying loud, great to us, like we don't like
Speaker 13: the Western world and we're here to destroy it. And
Speaker 13: I think when when I when I when I hear
Speaker 13: people like that talk publicly and and nothing happens to it.
Speaker 13: They just keep doing it here. Uh, I think to myself, Well,
Speaker 13: that's the red line for me. You can say what
Speaker 13: you want, but when you threaten the way of life
Speaker 13: and you just blatantly say to me or to to
Speaker 13: you know, to to the people of the country, and
Speaker 13: you will have no regret, reservations of I think. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 13: it's time to round you up and send you back.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I forget who said it, but someone wiser than me
Speaker 2: said something to the effect that, you know, democracy or
Speaker 2: the Bill of Rights or the Constitution is not a
Speaker 2: suicide pact, right, Yeah, yeah, And that's what I believe.
Speaker 2: I mean again, if the woman who was arrested, this
Speaker 2: Turkish woman who was arrested, that concerned me. The optics
Speaker 2: were horrible, but I have yet to see anything other
Speaker 2: They allude to this. Well, they mentioned this op ed
Speaker 2: piece and the tough student newspaper, which I've read, but
Speaker 2: it was it was like something that a fourteen year
Speaker 2: old would write in junior high school or or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you'd say, well, that's an interesting article. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't like she advocated for And even if she did
Speaker 2: advocate for violence. It's another thing when you involved in
Speaker 2: a demonstration and you start to block Jewish students from
Speaker 2: getting to classes, so you start to occupy buildings and
Speaker 2: disrupt the what has to go on into university. You know,
Speaker 2: once speech turns to action, it loses a lot of
Speaker 2: its protection, if not.
Speaker 7: All of it.
Speaker 13: So I agree. And we've had incidents like that here.
Speaker 13: We have one in Montreal. We have them in Toronto
Speaker 13: all the time. We had them people walking traffic in
Speaker 13: Toronto in the middle of the day, people trying to commute.
Speaker 2: And we had that. We had that down. We had
Speaker 2: that down here three or four years ago, and they
Speaker 2: literally I had people on my show. There was one
Speaker 2: woman who was stuck in traffic. She had two kids,
Speaker 2: I think four and five years old, each of whom
Speaker 2: had double ear infections, and anyone a parent who knows
Speaker 2: what a double ear infection is like, they had to
Speaker 2: sit in traffic. Another older couple, her mother was eighty
Speaker 2: nine and was undergoing some sort of surgery at Mass General.
Speaker 2: They had to abandon their car, walk to an exit,
Speaker 2: basically hit a ride to try to get to the
Speaker 2: hospital because the doctors had told them, look, your mom
Speaker 2: may or may not make this, but she has to
Speaker 2: have the surgery today. You know, these people they don't care.
Speaker 2: You know, you know who who's an the ambulance trying
Speaker 2: to get somewhere. That's all their cause is so important,
Speaker 2: they're going to block major roadways.
Speaker 4: My not in my country, right.
Speaker 13: Jane, we had about, I don't know, maybe two months ago,
Speaker 13: we had an individual on the busiest highway in the world,
Speaker 13: the four hundred and the busiest highway in Canada, and
Speaker 13: we had a fella all dressed in his urb shooting
Speaker 13: at morning traffic, literally standing on the highway shooting point
Speaker 13: blank at vehicles.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you it's a good thing that it
Speaker 2: wasn't me, because I would have run them over at
Speaker 2: that point. I mean, you're going to be shooting a
Speaker 2: gun at people, and I have the opportunity, I'm going
Speaker 2: to take you out. I hate to put it like that,
Speaker 2: but I mean that's I think. You know, again, that
Speaker 2: sounds pretty pretty strange. But what are we going to
Speaker 2: sit there and watch people be be shot to death
Speaker 2: because someone feels they have a right or a highway
Speaker 2: to take people to shoot people. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: You know, if you can help. If I'm walking down
Speaker 2: the street and I see someone beating the hell out
Speaker 2: of you, what am I going to do? Stand back
Speaker 2: and say, Well, I'm not sure who started that fight.
Speaker 2: I know there's one guy on the ground getting his
Speaker 2: head pounded in. I'm going to do whatever I can
Speaker 2: to intercede, and I hope other people would as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, self defense for you, for yourself, at least
Speaker 2: in this country. Can't speak to Canada or self defense
Speaker 2: or or defending a third party is acceptable.
Speaker 13: That's a horrible thing to do.
Speaker 2: You got it, You got it, Hey, Greg, I got
Speaker 2: to get one more in here before the break. So
Speaker 2: let me let me let you run for now. Please
Speaker 2: keep in touch. I want to know how that campaign,
Speaker 2: how that election is going to turn out. How what
Speaker 2: are we now about a week and a half away.
Speaker 13: Yeah, twenty eighth on Monday, the twenty eighth, and the
Speaker 13: debates are over. We had the federal debate yesterday in
Speaker 13: French and tonight it was in English. So all that
Speaker 13: stand fair is over.
Speaker 2: And now people do both the candidates and Canadas have
Speaker 2: to be able to debate in both languages?
Speaker 13: Yeah, they do, actually, uh. And Carney is not very
Speaker 13: not very He doesn't have a very good handle at
Speaker 13: all in the French language, so that was his weak
Speaker 13: point lost night. Uh. With with that debate but what
Speaker 13: are the what.
Speaker 2: Are the latest poll what are the latest polls show?
Speaker 13: They're showing here right now, neck and neck, and I.
Speaker 2: Feel that's that's better than it was a month ago.
Speaker 2: It was Conny by twenty points.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I still believe, though, Dan, I still believe, PAULI have
Speaker 13: you got the edge? I think I think the pollings
Speaker 13: is really you know, it's it's off. It's off.
Speaker 2: But we're gonna watch it closely. You're gonna be You're
Speaker 2: gonna be our election reporter on Tuesday Night from Canada,
Speaker 2: so we'k outing on you.
Speaker 13: Okay, Yeah, yeah, I'll keep in touch.
Speaker 2: I'm serious. I'm okay, Thanks Greg, Gotta run talk soon.
Speaker 2: Have a great easter. Okay, thank you? Good made. All right,
Speaker 2: let's go to Canon Leminster Ken, You're next on Nightside.
Speaker 2: Go read a hit, sir.
Speaker 21: Hey Dan, how are you fine?
Speaker 7: Ken?
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 13: Well?
Speaker 21: Uh my question to you is how much of this
Speaker 21: with President Trump is? You know, he likes to get
Speaker 21: a lot of bang for his buck. He likes to
Speaker 21: attach strings, some money, the doge, and he likes to
Speaker 21: look like he's saving money, and he likes to save money.
Speaker 21: I'll give him that much the doage stuff. You know
Speaker 21: with Zelensky too, he just doesn't like to keep funneling
Speaker 21: money without any getting anything back. How much of this
Speaker 21: is his attitude that I can't lose. I either do
Speaker 21: this to Harvard and they conform and I buy the university,
Speaker 21: or they call my bluff and I save nine billion
Speaker 21: dollars and I look like I'm financially fiscally responsible.
Speaker 2: Well, then the question is there's another factor there, and
Speaker 2: what happens if Harvard. Let's assume he tries to withhold
Speaker 2: the nine billion, which by the way, is most of
Speaker 2: it is used, as I understand this for scientific research,
Speaker 2: So that might not be the most popular thing to
Speaker 2: do when you know Harvard's working to find cures for
Speaker 2: various diseases. I mean, that's where the research money goes.
Speaker 2: It doesn't go to Harvard. It goes from Harvard to
Speaker 2: its affiliated hospitals, Mass General and all the other major
Speaker 2: hospitals that have an affiliation with Harvard. What happened as
Speaker 2: if then they go to court and he loses in court?
Speaker 2: People have had, you know, the worst of all worlds
Speaker 2: here taking a position that.
Speaker 21: Do you do you think he this might be disparaging
Speaker 21: to the president. But do you think he thought it
Speaker 21: through that much before he acted? No, yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 21: uh because quite honestly, and I'm but by the way,
Speaker 21: this this was a master's class in political science tonight.
Speaker 21: This is you don't get this on NPR. Dan, I
Speaker 21: gotta hand it to you. The tonight has been fantastic.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Well, thanks Steve Pinker of Harvard
Speaker 2: and the professor Pinker. And and also I hope you
Speaker 2: heard the nine o'clock hour with the dean of the
Speaker 2: University of Michigan Medical School, doctor Marshall Rungey uh talking
Speaker 2: about the shortages of doctors in this country. That's that's
Speaker 2: an important issue too.
Speaker 21: By the way, I actually I have to stuff out
Speaker 21: during that, but maybe I'll try to catch it on podcast.
Speaker 2: But yeah, pick it up on podcasts because he was great.
Speaker 2: He was great.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 16: So just.
Speaker 7: I guess.
Speaker 21: Donald Trump doesn't look before he leaves all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's I think that's what it is.
Speaker 2: And I think he's been successful. And then I mean
Speaker 2: even when he starts talking about the landslide, and you
Speaker 2: know how much he won by and he won he
Speaker 2: won an election, he won all the the states that
Speaker 2: could have gone either way. Okay, but he didn't win
Speaker 2: them by ten percent or I mean he had what
Speaker 2: he had, like fifty percent and she had what forty
Speaker 2: eight or forty nine points something percent. It was a
Speaker 2: close election. It wasn't Linda Johnson winning with sixty four
Speaker 2: percent or Ronald Reagan winning forty nine out of fifty states.
Speaker 2: You know, that's no.
Speaker 21: But there's a and again, I hate to say this,
Speaker 21: but there's an Orwellian aspect to Donald Trump where you know,
Speaker 21: if you if you say something often enough, then it's
Speaker 21: enough people that it's the truth, and it's fast, you
Speaker 21: got it.
Speaker 2: This part of that you could be worse. You could
Speaker 2: say that it was it was more than well o'welly
Speaker 2: and it was you know Herman Goring, you know, the
Speaker 2: big lie all of that. Yeah, you know, seriously, you
Speaker 2: know so.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: I mean again, he won all of these seven he
Speaker 2: won all the seven toss up states, but he won
Speaker 2: them by you know, twenty thousand and thirty thousand votes.
Speaker 2: It's not a landslide.
Speaker 21: Landslide he he he he isn't hyperbole. I mean that's oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely yeah. Hyperbole is more than an island off
Speaker 2: the coast of Hawaii. Okay, I guess what you say
Speaker 2: to me. Welcome to this paradise of hyperb Bully, Hello, welcome,
Speaker 2: good night, Hey Ken, I gotta run. We'll talk soon. Okay,
Speaker 2: thanks man, Thank you. Dan, have a great one one
Speaker 2: line six months, seven nine thirty. We're gonna get everybody in. Andrew,
Speaker 2: let me see if I get him in order. Here, Bill, Glenn, Andrew, Gary,
Speaker 2: you guys are all sad. We got one line six months,
Speaker 2: seven nine three, one, ten thirty. We'll get everybody in.
Speaker 2: I promise. Back on night Side.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan ray On w Z Bostondo.
Speaker 2: Okay, here we go. We're riding this baby home. Let's
Speaker 2: go first to Bill in Easton, Massachusetts. Bill, you are
Speaker 2: in Europe. You're next on nights. I go ahead, Bill.
Speaker 4: And the cutest story of the day that that dog
Speaker 4: that rescued the two year old.
Speaker 2: Didn't see that?
Speaker 4: Here about that? Oh that was so adorable. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: in Arizona, he was seven miles he wanted to follow
Speaker 4: the power line. Oh my gosh, bring it it tears. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but wow, I'm all.
Speaker 2: The cutest story of the day that you'll see tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Is that the Senator from Maryland who went down to
Speaker 2: meet with Abrego Garcia. He did meet with him, and
Speaker 2: the El Salvadoran government has released pictures of them sipping margheritas.
Speaker 2: It's bizarre. It's bizarre. Well, I yeah, and I guess
Speaker 2: the uh the president down there posted Bucali posted ki
Speaker 2: Abrego Garcia miraculously risen from the death camps and torture,
Speaker 2: now sipping margheritas with Senator Van Holland in the tropical
Speaker 2: paradise of El Salvador. Now that he's been confirmed healthy,
Speaker 2: he gets the honor of staying in El Salvador's custody.
Speaker 2: Buke Ley, who said earlier this week that he has
Speaker 2: no intention of returning this guy to the US. It
Speaker 2: sounds like the good Senator got set up here by
Speaker 2: the president.
Speaker 7: Of the salad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I like your caller from Canada got me
Speaker 4: curious if it's the liberal the conservative leading But it's
Speaker 4: a neck and neck I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the Greg is rooting for the conservative guy
Speaker 2: up there, the more liberal guy who would be the
Speaker 2: successor of Trudeau is. His last name is Carney. He
Speaker 2: played He was a goaltender at Harvard in the early
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties. So once again, Harvard Harvard. The connection Harvard
Speaker 2: is everywhere.
Speaker 4: I'm shute. Haven's been playing a cute role kind of
Speaker 4: they they don't want to rat any of their students out.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like acad academia with the Ivory Towers.
Speaker 4: You know, how far are they going to push the
Speaker 4: envelope rioting in the streets. I hope you have grinding
Speaker 4: yes tomorrow night, because I hate man of wear hats indoors. No,
Speaker 4: that's a sidebar.
Speaker 2: It's okay, Well, that's fine. That's one vote for grinding gears.
Speaker 2: It's in the league. Okay.
Speaker 4: But if I haven't call in okay, yeah, I know,
Speaker 4: if you'll let me write the all passed. But Trump,
Speaker 4: I think is correct in being a Joe mccafey and
Speaker 4: a Richard Nixon. And that's what's going on here. This
Speaker 4: is a republic we live in.
Speaker 2: You know, I understand that neither McCarthy Nixon ended up
Speaker 2: politically particularly well, so bear that in mind.
Speaker 4: Well, but they were they were correct. I mean, the
Speaker 4: comedies infiltrated the Manhattan projects. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't be like, I don't open up this
Speaker 2: line of conversation at seven minutes before midnight. You can
Speaker 2: discuss that at another time. Okay, Okay, thanks man, we'll
Speaker 2: talk to you tomorrow night. Good night Glenn, Glenn and
Speaker 2: brighton Glenn, you have next night side? You like uh brushes?
Speaker 2: You like what grinds your gears? Go ahead, Glenn, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 7: I'm on my WAD. I got connected without my commis.
Speaker 7: It's a long story. Okay, I'm on my show and
Speaker 7: I don't know how well I can hear you, but.
Speaker 2: You'll find we'll go. Just be quick, be quick, and
Speaker 2: we'll be all said.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Yeah, I I agree with Trump under these
Speaker 7: I view with colleges. They want to post what they
Speaker 7: want to be private, and they want to get sederal funds.
Speaker 7: They shouldn't be getting any fun. It's it's for anything
Speaker 7: as their private. If they're truly private, they're quantied private.
Speaker 7: And that's what And they couldn't tell me. It's they
Speaker 7: could love will several money for seven hundreds of dollars
Speaker 7: of endowments. Right.
Speaker 2: But their argument is that a lot of the the
Speaker 2: money that that has comes from the government is for
Speaker 2: medical research, and it's it's a pass through. It goes
Speaker 2: to affiliated hospitals like Nash General, et cetera. So that's
Speaker 2: that's that's the other side of the argument.
Speaker 7: Okay, well it's the other side. But like you said,
Speaker 7: we don't have enough doctors.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, we had a pretty good hour with
Speaker 2: the dean of the University of Michigan Medical School who
Speaker 2: emphasize that point. And not only it used to be
Speaker 2: that they didn't have doctors in rural America and now
Speaker 2: we have. We don't have enough doctors in rural America,
Speaker 2: in urban America, and in suburban America.
Speaker 7: I know, my doctor never calls me back, never sends
Speaker 7: me anything in the mail. I'm sure work. I don't
Speaker 7: have a doctor right now.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't, Glen. I got three behind you,
Speaker 2: so I'm going to try to sneak them them in
Speaker 2: as well. Okay, we're running out of time. Final comment,
Speaker 2: final comments or.
Speaker 7: No, Yeah, I just think I think Donald's doing what
Speaker 7: a plonised you would do.
Speaker 2: I love with guy, all right, fair enough, appreciate it,
Speaker 2: Thank you, Andrew and Gloucester. Andrew next on Knights, I
Speaker 2: want to get you in at least one more in
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Andrew, I'll be quick.
Speaker 7: So glad to thank you.
Speaker 10: I'm so glad to have the conversation with the professor
Speaker 10: Pinker and then Harvey Silverglade, yourself and all the callers.
Speaker 8: The the.
Speaker 10: The fundamental issue that I understand, you know it's regarding
Speaker 10: the pulling of the taxi dump status, is that Arvard
Speaker 10: uh is in violation of that's civil rights violations.
Speaker 2: Well, that would be with the argument. That's the argument
Speaker 2: that the Trump administration and the I R s would
Speaker 2: make if if they did decide to pull the tax
Speaker 2: exempt status. I'm not sure they're going to go that far,
Speaker 2: to be really honest with I guess I don't think
Speaker 2: they have a leg to stand on on that issue legally.
Speaker 10: Well, it goes back to the twenty twenty three I mean,
Speaker 10: I don't know this other than listening to other voices
Speaker 10: that are all all Harvard College graduates, by the way,
Speaker 10: Tom Cotton, Senator Tom Cotton, at least Dephonic, the congresswoman,
Speaker 10: and and you he at the National you know commentary.
Speaker 10: He They've all voice that you know, their support for
Speaker 10: that action, and they are saying, you know, the twenty
Speaker 10: twenty three Supreme Court decision the students for fair Admission yeah, Harvard.
Speaker 2: Failed to Harvard lost Harvard. Yeah, no, Harvard did lose
Speaker 2: on that issue, absolutely that. But but that's there's much
Speaker 2: more to these demands than compliance. They were complying. As
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, their admissions in twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: was significantly different racially than they had been in previous years.
Speaker 7: So there's debate on.
Speaker 10: Whether they're in soul compliance or whether they, you know,
Speaker 10: were allowed to skirt things by the former administration who
Speaker 10: chose not to enforce. But and they they had the
Speaker 10: you know, the final thing with regard to the proposals
Speaker 10: from the Trump administration, Harvard chose not to counter. They
Speaker 10: chose to just draw a red line and say, well.
Speaker 2: There's nothing. There's nothing they're going to accept. There's nothing
Speaker 2: for them to counter there. I read these these specifics
Speaker 2: and if you listen to them, they're very vague. They're
Speaker 2: arbitrary and capricious, as lawyers would say, and they're being
Speaker 2: asked to give up the control of the university.
Speaker 10: That I appreciate. You hit your take, but I heard
Speaker 10: another commentator who's also an attorney and who's also a voice,
Speaker 10: who found them to be quite reasonable.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, we'll see what happens. I'm not I never,
Speaker 2: I do not claim infallibility. Okay, that's up for the Pope's.
Speaker 10: Broadcast on your show. So I didn't say the name again.
Speaker 8: But thank you very much, you gentlemen, Thank you so much.
Speaker 6: Jan all right, a great one.
Speaker 2: Good night. I'm gonna give Gary Gary, I only got
Speaker 2: about ten seconds. I'm sorry. There's a couple of callers
Speaker 2: who aren't even going to get on. Can you do
Speaker 2: anything with ten seconds?
Speaker 22: No, I'll say one thing. I don't even know what
Speaker 22: the heck you guys are talking about. By I have
Speaker 22: an understanding, but one thing I want to say before
Speaker 22: I let you go. When are you going to talk
Speaker 22: for the whole hour about what putent's stolen? Because after
Speaker 22: a while we can't do nothing. He just wants to
Speaker 22: humiliate Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Thank you all right, Thanks Gary. That's the topic for
Speaker 2: another night. To the callers in the line, including Will
Speaker 2: and Long Island, and I apologize call earlier. I want
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