Speaker 1: Welcome to Political Beatdown. I'm Ben Mysell has joined by
the one and only Michael Cohen. Even my dogs who
are by my side are excited for this episode. Right now,
we're gonna discuss Michael Cohen's reaction to everything that has
transpired since Donald Trump was arraigned in Miami Federal Court.
I want to get Cohen's reaction. Remember we were broadcasting
live during the arraignment. Now we've had the opportunity to
learn everything that's gone down since that arrangment. We're going
to talk as well about how the GOP has been
exposed yet again, lying about President Biden admitting that this
recording they claim existed of Biden bribing someone connected to
Vladimir Putin. Guess what, it never existed, doesn't exist. Rudy
Giuliani saying, oh, whistleblowers are dead now and that's why
just complete and total bs are moderate Republicans turning against
Donald Trump. We will analyze that. Let's turn to some
of the hearings that happened this week in the House
of Representatives, which once again backfired on the GOP, as
did the GOP effort to try to censure and find
Democrat Adam Schiff for investigating Donald Trump for Trump's Russia connections,
and a federal judge in New York granted Eging Carroll's
motion to amend her other lawsuit against Donald Trump with
new allegations based on Trump's recent defamatory statements. And the
federal judge just set a trial date before we went
live for that other trial. That Ejen Carroll still has
another defamation trial that will be January fifteenth of twenty
twenty four. Michael Cohen A lot to discuss. How are
you doing?
Speaker 2: Oh? You know, how am I doing? So?
Speaker 3: I spend some time the other day over at sixty
centers Street, As I explained a couple of days ago
to our brigaders, I went there for pre trial conference.
It turns out that Council for Trump and Trump Oregon
this specific case, they filed the whole series of motions
and limony. Again, it's all about the delay, right. It's
almost like somebody should fig figure out this song. It's
all about the delay, about the delay, about the delay, right,
somebody needs to write us a song for this one,
because they think that they have this thing down packed.
Speaker 2: They don't. We now have to go.
Speaker 3: Back July seventh in order to meet with the judge
for the pre trial conference. But our our trial is
scheduled for July twenty fourth, and it is set in stone,
you know, looking forward to it, and to be honest
with you, you know, part of our schedule at the
pre trial conference is going to be to set up witnesses.
And there are some pretty interesting names that are going
to be released on you know, on our witness list,
because they're imperative to this case. Obviously you could imagine
that Donald happens to be one of them. Now, clearly
they're going to try to argue that there's no nexus
any longer between Donald the Trump organization in New York.
Will see how the judge rules on that. But other
than that, it's been a long journey to hold Donald accountable.
You know, I was on CNN the other day and
I was talking with Abby Phillip, And even before Abby,
I was on another CNN program where I explained the
problem that exists with Donald is he does not understand
the word accountability. So therefore he has never done anything wrong.
Because if you do something wrong, obviously you have to
be accountable for it. And so the whole thing is
just like a dog running after its tail. It's a vicious,
vicious circle cycle. Well, what we're seeing now is Donald
being held accountable as an example for the e Gene Carroll,
you know, assault, and he was fined, as you may
well remember, five million dollars. But this idiot, I mean,
and there's no other way to describe him other than
an idiot. After less than twenty four hours, goes off
and now he's at the town hall, the CNN town
Hall with Caitlin Collins, and he starts saying the same
exact things that he just got set.
Speaker 2: What do you call it that the jury just.
Speaker 3: Came back with the verdict on of five million dollars,
and of course that was broken up between several different
parts of the case, but let's just say five million
dollars as the civil fine. He goes on, he says
the same thing. Well, today, you know, the judge allowed
a new case to be filed or to amend the
existing complaint to add additional defamation costs. This is how
I described it yesterday. Is Donald is like a petulant
child that just for some unknown reason wants to keep
sticking his finger into the electrical socket. Now, despite the
fact that we all know that you're going to get
hurt from it, the same way Donald knows by saying
these things he's going to get hurt. He still wants
to stick his finger into the socket, to the metaphorical socket. Well, no,
it's stupid, and there's nobody around him that has the
balls enough to say to him, Donald knocked the shit off, right,
you're hurting yourself, not just in this specific case, not now,
in the fact that she's gonna bring a second defamation
action against you, considering she already won the first. So
it's kind of res judicata, right, I mean, the thing
already speaks for itself, and she could use the earlier
determination is a basis as a cause of action for
the second case. So she will then go ahead and
follow this, which she's now permitted to do. This defamation case.
He keeps wanting to stick his finger into the electrical
the proverbial electrical socket, and nobody could figure out why.
On top of that, there was statements that were allegedly
made in regard to the document, the mishandling of the
document case, that there were lawyers that were there telling Donald, hey,
just send the stuff back what are you doing send
the stuff back it's not yours. But of course Donald
only listens to one person, and that's himself, But he
will listen to you if, in fact you agree with
his knee jerk reactions. So look, there's so much that's
going on, Ben for us to be talking about. All
I can say to you is this is going to
be one ass exciting show.
Speaker 1: And so just to break it down so everybody knew
what you were talking about at the outset, you have
a case that you filed against the Trump Organization for
fees that they owe you, correct, and that's the case
that's headed to trial July twenty fourth. When you talk
about Donald Trump filing or the Trump Organization filing all
of these motion elimonades, those are basically pre trial motions
to try to exclude evidence from coming in. And your
point there is that all of these pre trial motions
have now been filed. We commonly refer to that, or
you may hear about it as like they're trying to
paper the case to death. Basically, right, they're trying to
do everything to derail your case against Donald Trump, which,
by the way, you know we're talking about it here,
which is important because it's going to be getting a
lot of attention. I mean, the Trump organization and Trump's
failure to pay you. That case is going to trial
July twenty fourth. As you mentioned, of course, Donald Trump
should be a witness to the case. He's probably the
key witness, and in fact, I think a strong argument
to make that he should definitely be a witness is
the fact that he filed a frivolous lawsuit against you
as well in the Southern District of Florida in the
Miami Division. Coincidentally.
Speaker 3: Where is it this endemic of exactly what's going on
with all of these other cases.
Speaker 2: I mean, it isn't it.
Speaker 3: It's the fact that he cannot get lawyers in order
to represent him. It's simply because he doesn't pay. This
is all par and parcel for how Donald Trump acts
and how he behaves. He doesn't pay, even when he
knows that he owes it. Even when you do a
good job, it doesn't matter. It just it makes it
harder for him to say that he's not going to
pay when he screws up, and when or when that
lawyer screws up and they don't win, which in his
mind is a screw up when he doesn't win. For him,
it's an easy one to turn around and to say
that I'm just not going to make a payment. Okay, great,
you know this is the problem. This is why he
cannot find someone of competency to represent them.
Speaker 2: Now he does have, you know, Todd Blenche.
Speaker 3: Well respected lawyer, you know Chris Keyes, and so I
don't know who's going to be representing him. According to
the transcript, they do claim that they will be there
for the trial and for appeals and so on. Chances
are I don't buy it. I'm certain that they probably
went ahead and they probably got their money in advance.
But not only does he not pay you, he's an
incredibly difficult client. He likes to do things the way
he wants. The problem is, not only does he not
understand the law, he doesn't appreciate the fact that there
were rules, that there were procedures. He doesn't care. He
wants what he wants. Again, going right back to the
metaphor of the petulant child.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Chris Kiss, who Donald Trump's political action arm
back last August or September paid Christopher Kist three million
dollars and Christopher Kiss had a reputation of being a
fairly well respected lawyer in Florida. He was the Solicitor
General of Florida. There. He is right there and Christopher
Kiss went to Donald Trump in the fall of twenty
twenty two with a strategy, which is, let's reach a
settlement agreement with Merrick Garland. Let's try to kind of
tune things down a little bit, Let's try to ease
a lot of the you know, conflict taking place. And
let's go there and let's try to offer a deal.
It may not be a great deal that you know
that you're gonna like Donald Trump, but you're gonna have
to admit that you did certain things wrong. But in return,
they're not going to prosecute you. And I believe this
is what Christopher said.
Speaker 3: O'donald ever acknowledged that he did something wrong. This is
a man who said on Fox that he's never apologized,
he's never asked for, you know, forgiveness from God because
he's never done anything wrong. I mean, that's truly an
amazing thing for somebody to say, and to say with
legitimate conviction that he believes he's never done anything wrong,
he was never mean to anyone, He was never inappropriate
with somebody, He never screwed somebody over. He never you know,
did something that he was sorry for, not even his
own siblings. He never got into a fight with his
siblings or anything like that. He's unapologetic for anything. You know,
this same exact topic of the Washington Post article whereby
this idiot, this former idiot in chief had an opportun
tunity to avoid all of this, but instead he fought
he had to buck the system. Why, because that's who
Donald Trump is, you know, salty. If you have my
clip with with what do you call CNN, if you
can play it's it's exactly the same exact opic. He
doesn't learn, and it's insane. It's truly insane that this
man wants to be the president again of the unsay,
do we not learn our lesson the first time?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 4: Do you think in your mind that he was ever
going to opt for an option of taking a settlement
instead of battling this out in public.
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: So Donald's position is never to settle ever, because he
thinks it's a sign of weakness. Unfortunately, he didn't have
anybody around him to guide him properly. He's like a
petulant child that just keeps sticking their finger into an
electric socket. And then you keep saying, don't do it,
you don't want to do it, you don't want to
do it. But nevertheless, he's gonna do it anyway because
in his mind he knows better. And then you have somebody,
for example, like a Boris Epstein, who will turn around
and will say to him, yeah, you're right down, stick
your finger into the socket. It's good, it's good, you
can do it, instead of guiding him like many of
us used to in the past and say.
Speaker 2: To him, no, you can't do that.
Speaker 3: All right, turn to think about how many of these
matters right now would not even exist had he listened
to somebody who was providing him just a sintilla of
good advice, just a sintilla.
Speaker 4: And I think we a lot of people look at
this and wonder was anybody telling him to just give
the documents back? And this reporting really confirms that people were.
And according to the Washington Post, this was just one
of several times that those lawyers tried to move a
Trump to prevent what basically unfolded in court. When you
hear that, I mean, what do you think and got
Trump to the point where holding onto documents was more
important than staying out of real legal jeopardy.
Speaker 3: Here, First of all, I don't buy the nonsense that
people were telling him not to hold on to it.
Speaker 2: Number one, he wouldn't listen.
Speaker 3: But number two, nobody really has you know, the cajones
enough to turn around and to tell Donald that you
need to send it back. In fact, the proof in
the pudding is that you had people like Evan Corkran,
or you had people like kath what's your name, Bob
the other attorney who signed as the David's to the government,
Christina Bob Right, stating that they had searched the premises
that there were no documents that were left on mar
Al Lago or in other locations that Donald had control.
Speaker 2: And Cohen.
Speaker 1: There you mentioned Boris Epstein and Evan Corkran. But one
of the voices Donald Trump has been consistently listening to
is someone who is not even a lawyer, somebody by
the name of Tom Fitten, who wears those really tight
shirts that he can't fit in, and he starts a group.
He has a group called Judicial Watch, and they're the
ones who filed this lawsuit against the National Archives. He
lost this lawsuit Fitton did in twenty twelve. The court
found there was no jurisdiction at all and found that
the underlying premise of this matter involving former President Bill
Clinton's handwritten notes relating to his autobiography. The court said, well,
the National Archives is saying those are personal records. Clinton
saying it's personal records. This happened twelve years ago. It's
not like classified information. He's not stealing national briefings. These
were personal records that Clinton took and put in a
draw so that he could write his autobiography. And the
court laughed Fitten out and the case was dismissed against it.
That's when Donald Trump talks about the Socks case. He goes,
the Socks case is precedent. The Socks case isn't precedent.
First off, it's a district court opinion. It's not a
Supreme Court opinion or a circuit court opinion.
Speaker 2: And not only is it.
Speaker 1: Not precedent, it's not persuasive authority because Fitten lost. And
if anything, it goes against all of Donald Trump's theories
because we were talking about personal notes that were written
by Clinton in connection with a personal autobiography, not stealing
classified records. But that's the voice Fitten the Socks case,
and it just goes to show you though, not just here,
but Donald Trump listens to people like Fitton who run
everything into the ground. That's how he runs the country,
ran the country.
Speaker 3: And yet there's still a large group of people that
will turn around and tell you, even though we know
that Donald is accountable and was it seventy percent sixty
eight seventy percent of the country leaves that Donald Trump
should be charged with mishandling of these documents, that does
not negate the fact that there's still millions of people
that are supporting him. I mean, it is amazing. And
what really gets me and really angers me is the
equivalency that there are so many of the Trump acolytes
or Donald himself when he gets up and he speaks
at these rallies, of these restaurant tours, whatever it is
that he's doing, they use these equivalencies in order to
justify what Donald did. So they turn around and they say, well, listen,
should Donald Trump be held accountable as stated in the
thirty seven count indictment against him by Jack Smith, Should
he be held accountable for the mishandling of these of
these classified documents, these top secret documents, And they say, well,
what about Hillary Clinton, what about George Bush, What about
Barack Obama?
Speaker 2: What about Bill Clinton?
Speaker 3: And so I'm not really sure that I understand the
argument that they're making. If in fact that it is
determined that Joe Biden failed to return the documents obstructed
justice in the same manner to which that Donald Trump did,
which I can assure you is not accurate. It is
not true. And we know that because he never had
Affid David signs stating that the documents that were in
his possession have been returned, when in fact that they weren't.
What we do know is that when he located these documents,
he's the one who called the National Archives, called NARA,
and had them come we do a complete sweep of
his property to check to ensure that there's nothing else
that you don't see or hear people saying, well, Joe
Biden turn around and said, don't go into those boxes.
My boxes, just say that there's nothing into them. Right.
This is the problem with Trump. He doesn't believe in accountability,
doesn't believe in rule of law, doesn't believe in the Constitution,
has an authoritarian mindset. He is an autocrat wannabe. He
is a monarchical individual and at the end of the day,
this is not going to bode well for him. He
will be held accountable for this. Now everybody's attacking Judge
a Leen Cannon that she's gonna delay, she's gonna do
Donald's bidding. I'm not so sure that they're right. I'm
really not. I and again for me not being the
more pessimistic of the two of us, all right, in
terms of the DOJ especially you know judges, because I
have a real issue with the way my case was handled,
I can tell you I do believe that after the
first go around, after you get slapped the way that
she did, for that improv her determination on the raid
of the Mara a Lago property and the obtaining of
the documents to make a determination whether they were or
were not attorney client privileged, I think that she's on
a very straight and narrow I don't believe that she
wants to destroy her reputation, and I do believe that
her judgment and that her decisions will be in accordance
with proper fair judicial outcome.
Speaker 1: I think you give Judge Eileen Cannon a lot of credit.
She was overturned the first time by the Eleventh Circuit
Court of Appeals, and then she still did not remove
herself from the case. Back in twenty twenty two. It
had to take a second order by the Eleventh Circuit
Court of Appeals compelling that the case be removed from RCUs.
She never had jurisdiction in the first place, so to
be overturned twice. And then why I disc agree with
you here is that if she was following the law Cohen,
she would have self accused, okay, and she didn't.
Speaker 3: And she didn't do anything wrong yet not yet. You know,
let me see, if it was yesterday, it was overturned, right,
she was, she was reprimanded. Let's let's at least give
her a chance. And now I'm not saying that I'm right,
and I hope I am and I hope you're wrong
simply for judicial process. But if in fact I'm wrong,
and I will be the first one to come clean
and say, hey, I finally got one wrong, I do believe,
all right, that we have to give her that opportunity.
You know, this was not as some people want to say,
because everybody today is somewhat conspiracy. You know, theorists. She
did not fix the wheel. They spun the wheel and
her name came up. Just shit, luck, all right, it
is what it is, so all of a sudden Now
it's that they had the thing fixed, and that Donald
only wants her, and that she's the one that's going
to set things right for him and so on. I'm
not so sure about that.
Speaker 2: I'm really not.
Speaker 1: Let's geek geek out with me a little bit on
the law here. I want to look at twenty eight
US Code, section four fifty five. We'll go to one
forty four in a second saltee, but go to four
fifty five Disqualification of Justice, judge or magistrate. And it
has sub section A which says, any justice judge or
magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify it should
be himself herself for themselves in any proceeding in which
his her there impartiality might reasonably be questioned. So Cohen,
the standard there is in did she affirmatively do something wrong?
Speaker 2: The question is.
Speaker 1: Would there be an appearance of impropriety based on a
reasonable reasonableness standard? Go to sub section B.
Speaker 3: Why you jump off of that, let's just talk about
that the question of reasonable.
Speaker 2: It's one of those terms, like the term.
Speaker 3: Normal, define reasonable, say it's in whose opinion? So as
an example, let's say, hypothetically, instead of Judge a Leen Cannon,
that it was Judge Ben Mice ellis all right. The
first thing that they would say is, well, you were
appointed by Barack Obama. Therefore you cannot be impartial, and
so you should recuse yourself under this standard. People can
say that doesn't mean it's true. So the reasonablest standard
is a really tough one. It's so broad that it
really has very little meaning.
Speaker 1: But the appointment in and of itself is not to me.
What creates the appearance of impropriety? It might, I mean
she was appointed by the post.
Speaker 2: What did you just say? It might?
Speaker 3: That's all that you require under that specific code, which
is why I say it's so broad, Ben that anybody
and again whose opinion?
Speaker 2: Michael Combs, I don't think.
Speaker 1: So then then to me where it's But then where
it goes from it might to I think it does
create the appearance of impropriety. Is the fact that she's
now overturned twice by the eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals,
not just in any case in a case involving the
criminal defendant. Here in a case involving Donald Trump in
connection with a search warrant executed at mar A Lago
that led to this criminal case being filed, where it
was determined by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeal her
supervisors that she didn't just get it wrong or make
a mistake right, that she affirmatively acted unlawfully in asserting
jurisdiction in a matter that she should have had and
it happened twice, And I go to the Eleventh Circuit
Court of Appeals precedent in the two thousand and eight
case United States versus Martin, where a federal District court
judge who was overturned twice by the Eleventh Circuit Court
of Appeals on a sentencing matter was reassigned and removed
from the case because they consistently didn't follow the Eleventh
Circuit Court of Appeal law regarding a specific defendant. But
to me here it's kind of one plus one equals too.
On the one hand, she was appointed by Donald Trump,
So to me, that creates a borderline feeling of an
appearance of impropriety. But then number two, she's made rulings
regarding the person that appointed her that was deemed to
be unlawful twice. To me, that creates an appearance of impropriety.
Speaker 3: So now the.
Speaker 1: Question, though, is she's not self accusing. So the question
becomes what does Jack Smith do? Is Jack Smith as
optimistic as you are, Michael Cohen and says, you know what, I'm.
Speaker 5: Not optimistic, I'm hopeful, hopeful right because Jackson, I agree
with you with everything to say, your interpretation of this
code is probably correct, and I am probably incorrect.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to be hopeful.
Speaker 3: That the system is not as fucked as we all
believe that it is. That there are some judges that
you will never get a fair shake if you're Donald Trump,
and then there are other judges that you will get
an unfair shake because you're Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: My hope is.
Speaker 3: That the system rebalances itself out, that we're able to
get back to a place where I hate to use
the term because it's not a real term, but normal,
that we go back to the way things used to be,
that when you went to a judge, that the judge
was judicious, that they acted upon the law. They didn't
act upon the Department of Justice being weaponized by you
know by we'll call it the chief Executive Officer, so
as to punish a critic. Hello, Donald, I'm talking about you.
I'm talking about you, Bill Barr. My hope is that
she saw the light in the error of her way.
She was reprimanded, which no judge wants to be. In fact,
I believe that if she does again what was done
before that there could be a very serious repercussion to
her where she is removed from the bench. So I
don't think that that's what she wants. I don't think
that's what any judge wants. So again, I agree with
everything that you're saying. If you look at history, and
everybody will tell you that history tends to repeat itself.
My hope is that history in this case does not
repeat itself, That she does the right thing, that she
realizes the entire country, the entire world is watching her
and every every single move, including her supervisors.
Speaker 1: So because she did in self recue, Special Counsel Jack
Smith has an important decision to make. Does he file
a affidavit of recusal under twenty eight USC. Section one
forty four and that has to be done pretty soon.
Salty pull up twenty eight USC. Section one forty four
so people can see that's the statute right there. And
as we go into the text, it says, whenever a
party to any proceeding in a district court makes and
files a timely insufficient affidavit that the judge before whom
the matter is pending as a personal bias or prejudice against,
either against him or in favor of any adverse party,
such judge shall proceed no further therein, but another judge
shall be assigned to hear such proceeding. And I believe
that would be reviewable by the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeal.
One thing that Special Council jack Smith certainly has on
his mind as well, though, is that this case is
brought under SIPA, the Classified Information Procedures Act, where most
of the rulings that will be made preliminarily are automatically
appealable to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals because of
the unique statutory structure of the Classified Information Procedures Act.
So Special Counsel Jacksmith may say, you know what, I'm
hopeful I'm not going to I'm not going to file
the recusal. Let's wait until we see her make an
order that violates clear eleven circuit precedent, appeal it right away,
then go to the eleventh Circuit. Look, we gave her
a shot, and now we are making the move for
a recusal. That's what Special Counsel Jacksmith's weighing right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, Ben, one of the reasons why, And to
my brigadors, and I know some people are angry and
they say you being you know, you're being ridiculous, and
you know, stop stop, you know, trying to be hopeful.
There's a reason why I want to be hopeful that
Judge Cannon does the right thing. One of the problems
that we have right now in terms of holding Donald J.
Trump accountable for the multitude of illegalities, the thirty seven
counts in this specific case, the counts in the D
eight case, the civil case by Attorney General to James
what will soon be followed by the Fulton County DA
fani Willis, etc.
Speaker 2: All Right, one of the problems that we have is time.
We do not have time.
Speaker 3: Why because one thing Trump knows And I'm telling this
to my brigaders because I have the experience in this area.
Donald knows delay and we cannot afford a delay. So
if in fact, Jack Smith goes ahead and files this motion, okay,
so he files the motion. Let's say there's a returnable
date in thirty days and twenty seven days. Donald comes
back with his counsel and says, I need additional time,
your honor. Okay, no problem. We have to give it
to you on the first request. So how much time
do you need? I need an additional sixty days. Not
the most unreasonable request. So even if the judge grants
him only thirty days, we just wasted sixty days. Fine,
they put in their papers thirty days later. Government has
the ability to put in I'm sorry, uh what you
wanna call it? Defense counsel has the ability to put
in their papers. Now we're at ninety days. You see
where I'm going with this bend. You see where I'm
going to librigators, Then you have to give the judge
an opportunity in order to make a determination. Well, okay,
so now we're ninety days out. The judge, let's say
he's incredibly incredibly quick in terms of this because of
the import of this case. Thirty more days now we're
four months into it. Well, all of a sudden it
comes back she needs to recuse herself. Well, that's now
going to be appealed.
Speaker 2: So now you.
Speaker 3: Got your time period. Let's say another thirty days. We're
five months into it to follow the appeal. Then all
of a sudden, Government gets its opportunity to put in
its appeal YR six months, right, Do you see where
I'm going with this? And then it takes two three
months for the judge to make their determination. Were nine
months into this game before you blink an eye off
one one for cocked emotion about recusal, we could be
close to a year. A year now, all of a sudden,
he's gonna turnround and say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
whoa everybody. We're in the middle of a fucking campaign.
I'm the leading candidate for the GOP. It is an
unwritten rule of the DOJ that they will not interfere
in an election, So everything goes on hold.
Speaker 2: Who wins? Donald wins.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm saying I am hopeful that she does
the right thing.
Speaker 2: Am I being naive? Probably?
Speaker 3: But nevertheless, it will then mean that in nine months
to a year from now, we will be literally months
away from a trial instead of just the beginning of
the case.
Speaker 1: And look, one important thing that Special Counts Jack Smith
still has in his pocket is, if you read this
thirty seven or thirty eight count indictment, Donald Trump actually
wasn't charged with showing the classified information at Bedminster itself.
That is an independent and separate crime. So many have
surmised that Special Counsel Jack Smith could ultimately bring another
case not just only on the willful retention of national
defense information under the Espionage ac but the actual transmittle
and showing it to people, as a separate case that
would be filed in New Jersey. And of course Special
Counsel Jack Smith's ongoing criminal investigation into Trump's conduct relating
to the January sixth insurrection and wire fraud and Trump
threatening local and state election officials. That case and that
investigation proceeds in earnest and I think we will see
indictments there in the fall, probably potentially even end of summer.
Let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: And before we jump off this topic, I just wanted
once again to my brigaders to say I am hopeful
because I want Trump to be held accountable. But here
is the interesting thing as well, while all this bullshit
is happening, and everybody that's been out there and you
know now they're all a bunch of prognosticators and handicappers saying, well,
this case is more significant, for example, than the Alvin
Bragg case, the hush money payment as well as the
business falsification of records and so on. That everybody's saying, oh, well,
that's not as significant. And in fact, you know, you
also have the finding will this case, which may or
may not be as significant as classified document mishandling. That's
national security. But none of this is of course as
important or as significant as and trying to overturn the
federal government, meaning the January sixth insurrection. Let me be
very clear about something, all right. Alvin Bragg is proceeding forward.
He is not stopping, all right. And if that means
that Donald gets convicted, he gets tried and convicted on
a state indictment, well so fucking be it, all right.
So instead of going to a federal institution, he will
go to a state institution. Now again, I'm not certain
that he'll see any institution as a former president, but
the repercussions will nevertheless be there. Whether it be a
state run home confinement or a federally run home confinement irrelevant.
It will put Donald in the classification as a felon right,
and it will now ensure accountability, and it will make
his life incredibly difficult as it relates to.
Speaker 2: Whether it's campaigning or thing.
Speaker 3: It's what I always referred to as the al Capone theory.
Couldn't get him a murder, extortion, racketeering, bootlegging, et cetera.
They got him on tax evasion.
Speaker 1: Not forget speaking about tax evasion. That New York Attorney
General Letitia James civil case where she's seeking at least
two hundred and fifty million dollars against Donald Trump, his
adult children, and the Trump organization, probably in the billions
at the time of trial, and an injunction effectively shutting
down Donald Trump, his adult children, and the Trump organization
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Speaker 2: Let's go, Jordie.
Speaker 1: I'm benmsell is joined by Michael Cohen, and you are
watching and listening to political beatdown. Cohen, it seems not
a week goes by where Maga Republicans are not making
up some defamatory story against President Biden. And it gets
more outlandish each week because the Maga Republicans aren't offering
any policies to the American people. They're not talking about jobs,
the economy, they're not talking about Social Security except taking
it away from they are sending.
Speaker 3: But Ben, they are also sending migrants, you know to California, Texas,
not Texas, New York, you know, DC and so on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're kidnapping people, torturing people and like laughing about
it on Fox. It's utterly disgusting. So what they do
is Donald Trump is on a recording talking about classified information,
so they go, ah, let's make up something about President
Biden on a recording. Hey, did Rudy Giuliani once like
launder these documents from a Russian oligarch who just lied
about Biden when he was the vice president from seven
years ago? Hey, can we find that form. Let's find
a form that's literal disinformation pushed by Putin, and then
let's claim that it's valid. And then let's just say
these allegations are true. And then let's go a step
further and say they're actually recordings out there that exist.
And then let's make up a number and say there's
not just one recording. Let's just make it up and
say there are seventeen recordings that involve President Biden when
he was the vice president being bribed. Every aspect of
this is completely an utterly false. I want to show
this clip of congress Member Dan Goldman at a hearing
yesterday breaking it down beautifully. Play this clip.
Speaker 7: We've heard so much about this FBI ten twenty three
form and how it includes sensational allegations about a massive
alleged bribery scheme by President Biden. So I was really
eager to read that document this week. Did the majority
actually find some actual evidence of wrongdoing by the president,
of course not. But it's even worse than that. This
document that they will not stop talking about is shockingly
just a three year old, second hand hearsay, uncorroborated rehashing
of Rudy Juliani's bogus allegations that he got from Ukrainian
corrupt Ukrainian officials. Now we all know that former President
Donald Trump was impeached because he tried to extort President
Zelenski to announce an investigation into this Ukrainian company, Barisma,
that would benefit Trump's political campaign. The theory goes that
then vice president urged Ukraine to fire its prosecutor general
because he was investigating Barisma, and the president wanted to
help his son, who was on the Barisma board. You
know where Giuliani got this information from, that fired prosecutor
general himself, the corrupt prosecutor general, and we know with.
Speaker 2: And Cohen.
Speaker 1: Of course, the document, the document is completely made up,
The recordings are completely made up. In his own words,
I just want to play you this one in his
own words. This is what Jim Jordan said in an
interview earlier today.
Speaker 8: Play this clip, this oligarch who you know. I mean,
you can blame him because he wanted he was trying
to buy his way into the US government. But allegedly
he had a client he was able to buy off
Joe Biden and his and his Koke head son. Now
many people believe that once this oligarch is identified, that
he could be a target for those who don't want
this information out there. Is the GOP taking steps to
protect the oligarch?
Speaker 9: Well, we we that that name in the in the
when I read the report, the ten twenty three, that
that is redacted. So yeah, that that's that's in the report.
Speaker 2: The too.
Speaker 9: Look, we don't want anyone to get hurt. You certainly
don't want a source who's been helpful to our country.
You certainly don't want to have to do anything that
woul jeopardize his safety. We understand that. But by the
same token, the American people, we the people have a
right to know what's really going on, particularly with the
guy who's the head of our government. Because United say,
if this stuff it's what the ledge is actually you
know accurate, that's that's that's huge news, that's huge concern,
that's a big problem. So that's why we think This
needs to be made public with the appropriate redaction of
the sources.
Speaker 2: Name is the.
Speaker 1: GOP taking steps to protect the Russian oligarch.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it's so stupid. I mean, you
said there.
Speaker 3: Look, I don't even remember this guy's name, the one
that looks like Quagmire.
Speaker 10: Gig gig gig.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what this guy's sitting there and then
trying to put anything. So he's sort of my double
fingers today.
Speaker 2: Fuck you, you idiot.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no other way to describe you. You're
a fucking idiot.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: They're making stuff up, They're promoting more lights and conspiracies
again and again and again. You know, I don't know
if you saw this, Ben or Brigaders, but Rudy Juliani
was on Fox News and he was having a conversation
with the Fox host who turned and said, no, no, no,
mister Giuliani, you're wrong about that. There is no proof.
You know, There's two very important words that we're going
to ask you, and those two words are prove it.
You can't just say something and expect us to accept
it as facts. You need to come with the proof.
And he went off on her, screaming at her. You're
going to have to apologize to me. You can come
to my office and see the documents anytime that you want.
We have the documents. The documents are in all possession.
So she said, okay, why didn't you bring them or
can I come tomorrow? Well, I can't show them to you,
but you're going to apologize to me because I'm right
and you're wrong. This is the crazy logic of people
like Rudy Kaludi. This is the crazy logic of jim
Bo Jordan. This is the crazy logic of people like
Marjorie toilet Green and so many others. They are hijacking
our Congress for what Because because somebody impeached Donald Well
maybe he fucking deserved it, maybe he deserved to be impeached.
But instead of allowing the process to be legitimate and fair,
the second that you attack the furor, they think that
they need to come to his rescue. But he doesn't
need them, and they don't need him, and our country
doesn't want any of it. But it doesn't matter because
they're all afraid that they're gonna piss off this maga base,
which will shut down the spicots of money coming into
their you know, to their coffers, and that they will
lose their seat, which means losing their power, which in
fact means losing their job. So they're protecting themselves at
the at the you know, at the cost and the
damage to who, to you, to me, to our country.
Speaker 2: It's fucking despicable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then they so they they do the lie, they
do the defamation. Then you have Murdoch's New York Post
or whatever, they write the story Joe Briben, this, that
and the other. Right, and then when it's like, okay,
shown me the evidence, right that you just said Giuliani
went on Fox, they should show me the evidence. So
then what do they go to? The whistle blower's dead.
The whistleblower disappeared. We can't find the document. It existed,
but it got destroyed just all of a sudden. And
this cycle repeats, this is Juliani from earlier in the
day saying that the GOP witness who had all of
this information regarding the fake bribe, the fake Biden bribery,
ski guess what, died again, died again again.
Speaker 11: The clip on a day in which we find out
that the Bidens took a ten million dollar bribe from
a Ukrainian mikeelo Zschewski, which I could have told you
you know, and did tell them three years ago, and
they followed up on none of the evidence I gave them.
They were hoping that people would disappear or die. It's extraordinary.
I gave them one witness that any investigator would jump
through hoops to go to. Gave him a witness who
is a woman who was the chief accountant at this
Crookeet company, Bisma. She was the wife of the former
owner who died under suspicious circumstances, and she was willing
to give up all of the offshore bank accounts, including
the bidens, but she died, you know.
Speaker 1: And then when juwe by the way, when Juliani says
I gave them the information, you know who he's talking about, right,
He's talking about Bill Barr. He gave the information to
Bill Barr in twenty twenty to go after Donald Trump's
opponent Biden. Bill Barr was trying to go after Biden.
But Bill Barr saw these records and knew they were
so batshit crazy that Bill Barr's like, these records are
actually going to undermine my weaponization and what I'm trying
to do for Donald Trump. Here Juliani stopped giving me
these crazy documents. And if Bill Barr believed in the
veracity of these documents, of course we know what he
would have done. The procedure is you appoint a special council.
So the fact that Bill Barr got these records didn't
appoint a special council is proof that they were rejected
by Bill Barr. And now the Maga Republicans are saying,
what this is a conspiracy that Bill Barr wanted to
help take down Donald Trump and get President Biden elected.
It gets completely insane. And then to your point, when
you attack Donald Trump, when you attack their fear, if
you investigate him, you now have this whole It's just
a clown show there. Did you see this Anna Paulina Luna,
this Magga Republican, she's like the new version of George Santos.
She's like teamed up with George Santos and Kevin McCarthy.
Let this get to a House floor vote to censure
Adam Schiff for investigating Donald Trump for his relationship with
Russia back, you know, several years ago. So they have
this resolution and you have George Santos, Anna Paulina Luna
locking arms with Kevin McCarthy. They claim this resolution is
going to pass. The resolution did not pass. It backfired.
Twenty Republicans actually joined with Democrats fortunately and did not
vote for this resolution. But let me show you. This
is George Santos, now a face of the modern day
Republican Party, talking about ethics and why he and Anna
Paulina Luna, backed by Kevin McCarthy, are bringing this censure
motion resolution against Adam Schiff. Play this clip.
Speaker 12: Hi, Congressman George Santos here, I'm here today to talk
about Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna's resolution to censor Congressman Adam
Schiff of California. Congressman Shift continually pursued scurless accusations against
President Trump for the entirety of his residency, alleging that
the President in his campaign colluded with the Russian government.
This has now been proven to be patently false, as
if it wasn't a painfully obvious witch hunt before. Additionally,
the measure would find a former House Intelligence Committee chairman
sixteen million dollars, just half the cost of the fabricated investigation.
Congressman Shift abused his power to pursue the Trump campaign
and its campaign staff. This abhorring behavior is unacceptable for
a member of Congress. Congressman Shift has called this resolution
to censure a quote terrible misuse of House precedent and
resources and an attack on the Constitution. I would suggest
Congressman Shift look inward and more closely consider his remarks.
This investigation is what, in fact, was a terrible waste
and misuse of taxpayer money. To not carry out a
cent or would be a miscarriage of justice and a
dereliction of our sworn duty as members of the House
of Representatives. We must preserve the integrity of the US
House of Representatives and censure Adam Schiff.
Speaker 1: Today you have George Santos talking about preserving and protecting
the integrity of the House of Representatives. What a clown
show the mega Republicans are. And when you listen to
George Santos, he doesn't even know how to say the
word abhorrent. He goes aberrant or whatever he said. But
I think there are signs and I want to see
if you feel the same way, Cochen, like I have
noticed that there are some Republicans who are at least
since the indictment, who have been giving some th press
interviews talking about how, look what there's no way to
defend this, There's no way to defend what Donald Trump's doing.
One of them is a representative Republican named Dan Bacon,
and Dan Bacon's also talked about how maybe he said,
and he said this, he goes, maybe a group of
us more moderate Republicans need to just join with the
Democrats at this point. If we have the Matt Gates
and the Lauren Boberts and the Annapolione a Lunas, maybe
this is beyond repair the Republican Party, and maybe we
should join with the Democrats. They're very interesting that.
Speaker 3: You know. It's why I constantly say on every single
one of these shows, vote vote, vote, vote vote vote,
vote all right, and vote b loo. Make sure that
you are fully ready to go. Make sure that you
have you know, this set up for you so that
you know you can get your you know your pass,
you go straight in, you vote boom out. Make sure
that everybody in your house was of age, is capable
and it is capable of voting, is there and voting
if that means you have to get a right in ballot,
and you write in ballot, make sure your neighbors, your
you know your relatives, anybody that may need your help.
If we do not get these animals, these lunatics out
of office, I'm telling you right off the bat, it
is going to be a really shitty additional four years.
Whether or not Joe Biden, you know it's gonna be.
It's a disaster for a democracy if Donald ends up
becoming president. But if something like Joe Biden, who's trying,
and look, there's not everything that Joe Biden does I
don't agree with, but I have to say he's trying.
The country is doing well, he's passing bills, he's doing things.
He is a decent, decent human being. Yes, his age
is his age. You can't change that, but it doesn't
matter at this point. It's going to be a Biden
Trump election. And if Donald comes anywhere within a thousand
feet of the front gate to the White House, our country,
our democracy is in massive peril. And that's why I
keep saying we need that big, massive blue wave. And
the way that we will get there is through the Brigade,
through folks like yourself, and we will do calls to action,
asking to please make sure that your family, your friends,
your neighbors, your cousins, your you know, everybody has the
who has the ability to vote, is registered, ready to
go and make sure that they get to the booth.
It's one thing if you're registered, it's another thing if
you don't go and vote. We must ensure that people
like the Marjorie Toilet Greens, like Jim Jordan, they have
no place in our capital. Anyone that does not acknowledge
that January sixth was an insurrection, that this was an
attack on our capital, on our democracy, on our government. Right,
there's something wrong with you and these people need to
go now. I'm not saying the people that there aren't
some you know, some people on the Democratic side i'd
like to see go as well, but for the for
the time being, in order for Joe Biden to be
able to accomplish the things that he's doing. And interestingly enough,
what he is doing is all bipartisan. Some of the
saw from the early administration, from the Trump administrations by partisan.
So look, my friends, vote, It's all about the voting,
and it's all about ensuring that the crazies, these far
right wing Trump acolytes.
Speaker 1: They all need to go because we need to have
intelligible conversations, not this Maga Republican clown show. And I'll
leave you with this Cohen and Brigaders. This is what
went down yesterday on Wednesday at one of these Maga
Republican performative hearings, where you had Lauren Bobert questioning a
very distinguished individual by the name of Sally Katzen. So
you've got Bobert who's failed at running her restaurant and
gave everybody diarrhea and made everybody sick before bankrupting her restaurant.
She's questioning Sally Katzen, an NYU law professor. She was
a member of the Obama Biden Transition Project Agencies Review
Working Group responsible for the Exactecutive Office of the President
and Government Operation Agencies. She held White House positions in
the Clinton administration, including as the Administrator of the Office
of Information and Regulatory Affairs. And Sally Katzen was called
as the Democratic Party's witness as the Democrats minority witness
to talk about some of the issues. And just watch
this exchange because it shows everything that is wrong and
encapsulates it all in this one clip. With MAGA Republicans
play this clip.
Speaker 13: Would you say that this is an abuse of that
separation of power because that rule is not something that
Congress has delegated, but the ATF has taken it upon
itself to regulate this rule that they created to make
millions of Americans felons with respect.
Speaker 10: I was trying to answer your question before you interrupted
me to say that the ATF had in each of
these instances sufficient statutory authority from Congress and that that
and he challenges to them.
Speaker 13: Miscats in it is my time. So Congress never authorized
the ATF to ban pistol braces. Congress never authorized the
ATF to do that to make millions of Americans felons overnight.
And so I would go back to your statement that
you said in your testimony that, uh, these agencies are
not free agencies and they can only do which Congress
has delegated to them to do. Congress is not excuse
me my time, no, ma'am, it's my time, thank you,
It is my time, thank you. And if you stated
Congress delegates, but then some officials are quick to condemn
the agencies.
Speaker 1: And by the way, this issue was over administrative agency
kind of one oh one the authority of to delegate
certain powers to agencies like the ATF. What Lauren Bobert
there was yelling at the witness over is that the
MAGA Republicans big issue d joure of the day is
to have more pistol braces, which were intended for disabled
individuals who want to fire AR fifteens. The MAGA Republicans
want the pistol braces for people who are not disabled
so that they could fire AR fifteens and not even
not even listening to the answer of the question from
so Ben.
Speaker 3: Here's here's the thing. I've been down this road before
with members of Congress, not once, not twice, but seven
seven times when I testified to seven different Congressional committees.
If you are a Democrat and the Republican has the
floor to ask the question the five minutes, they're not
interested in asking you a question. In my house over
recite committee hearing, not one Republican asked me a single
question about Donald They each took the five minutes to
you know, to castigate who you know, to disparage, to
denigrate you. And that's what Lauren Bobert is doing here.
They are as dumb as they come. They are as
obnoxious as anything that you've ever seen. I mean they
think that this is I mean, I personally enjoy watching
you know, Parliament in England because I find it funny.
But I don't find it funny here in America because
they don't even do it here with class. She's just
a classless asshole that thought that she was going to
be rate honorable Katzen all right for coming in in
order to testify as to some issue that they deemed
necessary and appropriate. Fine, she did what Katsen did what
she was required to do. She appeared not asking her questions,
not interested, as she stated in an answer, just merely.
Speaker 2: To attack her.
Speaker 3: Why so that they could make a couple of minute
clip use that raise more money and you know again
fill up their coffers for themselves. It's fucking despicable. Under
every single you know metric, it's just despicable.
Speaker 1: Just performative fascist theater. But I think the American people
are waking up. I think there is this broader coalition
that has coalesced of pro democracy loving Americans, people who
are liberal, progressive, independent, not affiliated with any political party,
people who are truly conservative, not this fake maga Republican conservativism,
which isn't conservative at all.
Speaker 2: What about the fake outrage?
Speaker 3: Look at the fake outrage that we're seeing from the
GOP every single day. I mean you see them, they
stand there anytime that they can get in front of
a camera. Boy, performative art. I mean, this fake outrage
over everything. Joe Biden, this Hunter Biden, that right, you know,
you have, Kamala you have I mean, it's it's everything.
Oh my god, it's all nothing but a tax on
Donald Trump. It's all attacks on Donald Trump. And the
worst performative artists in these cases are the Lauren Bolberts,
the the Ted Cruzes, the Jim Jordan's. It's out of control.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We had congress Member Jared Moskowitz on the show yesterday
and one of the things that he pointed out, I
thought it was a great observation, is that the modern
day Republican Party, the maga Republican Party, learned all of
this from Donald Trump. These tactics, this performative fascism, this
clownishness is just mimicking what Donald Trump does. And they saw, well,
Donald Trump griffs, he makes all this money doing that.
Carry Lake said, I'm just gonna follow that strategy. So
they've all coalesced and just do what Trump does. And
that's the modern day Republican Party doing nothing for the
American people, not focused on any issues that matter, just
some performative fascist theater and hey, raise money, raise money,
raise money. American people are sick and tired of it.
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