Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 2: I was done.
Speaker 1: I wasn't dealing with them.
Speaker 3: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 3: that turned me away the quickest.
Speaker 1: When I turned my head lights on, it turned and
Speaker 1: looked at us. And one of the things I remember
Speaker 1: the most, where the eyes were going red. I see
Speaker 1: an orb of light. It is just circling these steps
Speaker 1: like it is waiting for me.
Speaker 3: And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.
Speaker 1: They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven
Speaker 1: foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's
Speaker 1: where I saw the.
Speaker 3: Top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon
Speaker 3: as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't
Speaker 3: like death.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Tenfoil tells. I'm your host, Braindon Wright.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to be joined by my guest, Amanda.
Speaker 1: Amanda is a local Indiana resident not too far from
Speaker 1: my area. Met her a couple of years ago some
Speaker 1: of the paranormal conventions we got going on around here,
Speaker 1: but one of the things she mentioned was about twenty
Speaker 1: plus years ago she had an incident. It's not too
Speaker 1: far from where I've been looking into some of the
Speaker 1: strange activity. It kind of struck with me that she
Speaker 1: actually saw something that kind of goes in line with
Speaker 1: a lot of the weird stuff over around with this
Speaker 1: cineval area. So I wanted to have her on here
Speaker 1: today and talk to her a little bit about it.
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Speaker 1: and enjoy the show. I'd like to take this time
Speaker 1: to welcome my guest at studio today, Amanda. Thanks for
Speaker 1: coming out here and talking with me.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Would you like to let the audience know a little
Speaker 1: bit about yourself?
Speaker 3: Sure. I'm Amanda. I come from a small town in Indiana.
Speaker 3: I am a paranormal investigator for shadow Seekers Paranormal and
Speaker 3: I'm also a head facilitator for the UFO and Alien
Speaker 3: Existence in Peru.
Speaker 1: Which I thought was strange we had one in Peru
Speaker 1: because it is a little Peru. But I think that's
Speaker 1: how we first met. I may have met you at
Speaker 1: the Pair Unity event a couple of years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we met, But I'm very bad with names, so I
Speaker 1: see faces like, oh, I recognize that person, but I
Speaker 1: don't know their name. So there's been people that have
Speaker 1: come up to me before out and walking around, They're like, hey,
Speaker 1: how you doing. I was like, Oh, what's up, buddy?
Speaker 1: So if I call you buddy, it's because I don't
Speaker 1: recognize you. I don't know your name. But you had
Speaker 1: mentioned to me before that you'd had experiences or whatever.
Speaker 1: And one of the things that always stuck out to
Speaker 1: me is something you said you'd seen on your way
Speaker 1: to work one morning before we get into that, Like,
Speaker 1: was this something that you've ever been interested in prior
Speaker 1: to that event? I know you do a lot of
Speaker 1: research with paranormal Yeah, was this kind of what sets
Speaker 1: you into that days are re interested in beforehand?
Speaker 3: Actually, no, long star, very short. How I got into
Speaker 3: the paranormal, I would say as I had a personal
Speaker 3: experience as a child when my grandfather passed away. I
Speaker 3: was six, and he came to me in a dream
Speaker 3: as he was passing I would say passing through, because
Speaker 3: from what I remember from my dream, we were in
Speaker 3: some kind of light that it was really bright, and
Speaker 3: we were the only ones there, and I just remember
Speaker 3: him telling me that he loved me and and he
Speaker 3: had to go, but he would keep watch over me
Speaker 3: and that I couldn't go with him.
Speaker 1: Mhm.
Speaker 3: And that's always stuck with me because when I woke
Speaker 3: up and I was I believe I remember correctly, I
Speaker 3: was in I was in the hospital as this was happening,
Speaker 3: but not in the not in the room with me.
Speaker 3: I was like in like the waiting room or whatever
Speaker 3: it was. And I remember my mom taking me up
Speaker 3: and telling me that my palal had I went to
Speaker 3: heaven and I was really confused.
Speaker 1: Now I can relate to that my not going into
Speaker 1: it too much, but my wife's grandfather passed away, so
Speaker 1: my kids they were all actually there when it happened,
Speaker 1: so they all got to see that. So I hope
Speaker 1: it doesn't cause things for my youngest ones or whatever
Speaker 1: because they were so young at this point, I don't
Speaker 1: think they remember. For the older ones, they pretty upset
Speaker 1: by it and obviously my wife being in there, but
Speaker 1: very emotional, dramatic experiences for everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's rough for me.
Speaker 1: Luckily I haven't had to.
Speaker 3: Go through that, so yeah, I would. I would say
Speaker 3: that's where my paranormal journey kind of started because I
Speaker 3: was young, didn't understand what was going on, and I've
Speaker 3: been basically been afraid of death ever since.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, the thing you saw, if you'd like to
Speaker 1: dive into that, then afterwards we can talk about some
Speaker 1: of the weird paranormal stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay. Cool. So I worked third shift and I was
Speaker 3: on my way to work one night. I was going
Speaker 3: downstair Road nine between mary And and Huntington, and I was
Speaker 3: by myself.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I'm one of those people that if there's no cars
Speaker 3: around or whatever, I'm going to have my high beams
Speaker 3: on because i can't see in the dark. So I'm
Speaker 3: just driving down the road like any other night, and
Speaker 3: I seen this strange thing in the road, in the
Speaker 3: middle of the road. And it at first, you know,
Speaker 3: like being how I am at least, you know, like
Speaker 3: when you first see something in the road, you think,
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's a deer or something, you know,
Speaker 3: But this was no deer. This thing that I saw,
Speaker 3: it was at least maybe seven to eight foot tall.
Speaker 3: It was huge, it was very skinny and thin, like
Speaker 3: everything about it was just like i'd say, like stretched out.
Speaker 3: I'm only seeing the back of it and it's just
Speaker 3: walking down the road. And I'm confused about this because
Speaker 3: I've never I mean, how can you see anything like that?
Speaker 3: Like that's just it's just not fathomable. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: it was a little crazy. And so I remember sticking,
Speaker 3: like sticking my head out the window to kind of
Speaker 3: make sure like my eyes aren't playing tricks on me
Speaker 3: or you know. And that was a dumb thing to
Speaker 3: do because obviously, you know, you're going down the road
Speaker 3: fifty five sixty miles an hour, you know, in your
Speaker 3: eyes start watering. So I'm like, well, that was stupid.
Speaker 3: So I you know, pull my head back in the
Speaker 3: window and you know, like trying to wipe my eyes,
Speaker 3: and it's still there. It's just walking. And I am
Speaker 3: seeing this this thing walking down the middle of the
Speaker 3: road for at least i'd say two to three minutes.
Speaker 3: But the weird thing is is like at least one
Speaker 3: of the weird things was is I never actually caught
Speaker 3: up to it.
Speaker 1: So it's still staying away from you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it always stayed in like the beam of my headlights.
Speaker 3: And it was just walking, I'd say, like nonchalantly, like
Speaker 3: you know, it was just doing its thing, just walking
Speaker 3: down the road.
Speaker 1: Was it walking away from you, Yes, it.
Speaker 3: Was walking away from me. There's this, uh, this breach
Speaker 3: in the road, like where there's like wooded like a
Speaker 3: wooded area, and I said, I had never seen it
Speaker 3: turn around. You know, I wasn't scared. I was more
Speaker 3: confused of it, as you know, other than you just
Speaker 3: there was There was really no reason to be scared.
Speaker 3: It was just confusion, right because it didn't turn around.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like aggressive or anything. It just was just
Speaker 3: doing whatever it was going to do. And I never
Speaker 3: caught up to it, even though I wanted to. But
Speaker 3: it seemed like the the faster I would start to
Speaker 3: drive to try to kind of catch up to it,
Speaker 3: to kind of see what it was because I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: is this like a man on stilts or you know,
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. That sounds crazy, but you know,
Speaker 3: you're you're trying to, you know, rationalize what you're what
Speaker 3: you're seeing, and uh, I never could catch up to it.
Speaker 3: It's like it seemed to me like the faster I
Speaker 3: would try to go to try to catch up to it,
Speaker 3: the farther it was away, but it would still stay
Speaker 3: in the in the beams of my headlights. But it
Speaker 3: was like a I'd say, like a medium, like a
Speaker 3: medium gray color. It was like it seemed like this,
Speaker 3: It seemed like skin, like it was smooth that. I
Speaker 3: didn't see any like rough rough bones or anything, you know,
Speaker 3: like any kind of distinct features like that.
Speaker 1: No clothing there.
Speaker 3: There was no clothing or anything like that.
Speaker 1: What are it? It's legs like you feet or hands
Speaker 1: or anything to it.
Speaker 3: I remember seeing I remember seeing like it kind of
Speaker 3: sway its hands as it walked. But I don't recall
Speaker 3: seeing like actual fingers because like everything about this, whatever
Speaker 3: I saw, everything was long. The feet, I don't recall
Speaker 3: seeing actual feet. I just remember seeing the legs and
Speaker 3: you can see like the the beams of my headlights
Speaker 3: and I could see the I don't know what the
Speaker 3: word would be, but like seeing the see it walk,
Speaker 3: you know, see the movement.
Speaker 1: Of it walk.
Speaker 3: With the headlights. But the but the head it would
Speaker 3: kind of bounce in and out, because this is how
Speaker 3: I kind of realized, you know, it was seven to
Speaker 3: eight feet tall, because the head would actually not all
Speaker 3: always be in the beam at the headlights because it
Speaker 3: would kind of like bounce.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Obviously I'm driving down the road, so it's kind of
Speaker 3: like bounced up and down. So the head wasn't always
Speaker 3: in focus.
Speaker 1: It's weird to think if you're going at a certain
Speaker 1: speeding never caught up to it, so it had to
Speaker 1: be moving consistently with you, which doesn't make a whole
Speaker 1: lot of sense, or something walking in the roads.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I said, nothing of this encounter made sense.
Speaker 3: And then as I got to the point, like I said,
Speaker 3: I was probably watching this thing for at least two
Speaker 3: to three minutes, i'd say, or following this thing however
Speaker 3: you want to say it. And by the time it
Speaker 3: got to that like opening, like where the wooded area
Speaker 3: is that by the time it got there, I never
Speaker 3: saw it leave the road, but brandon it.
Speaker 2: It just.
Speaker 3: Vanished, vanish, It just vanished.
Speaker 1: I know there's gonna be people out there that say this,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to bring it up. It was in
Speaker 1: a bug on the windshield? Correct?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: That yeah, No, definitely wasn't a bug. Again, you know,
Speaker 3: like I said, I put my head out the window,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, ye know, it was one of my
Speaker 3: things to like, am I am I seeing bugs or
Speaker 3: you know this, This definitely was not a bug.
Speaker 1: There's always people out there that have their opinions of
Speaker 1: what someone else saw because they know everything, and that
Speaker 1: was the first thing I was thinking. I was, someone's
Speaker 1: gonna say it's, oh, it's just a bug on the windshield, which.
Speaker 3: I kind of wish it was, because, like I said,
Speaker 3: I I have never seen anything like that before or since,
Speaker 3: and I've always had it like I kind of like
Speaker 3: put it, put it in the back of my head
Speaker 3: after a while, because like it, it doesn't make sense,
Speaker 3: and I have no idea what it could have been
Speaker 3: at that time. You know, I'm thinking maybe it was
Speaker 3: an alien, but you know, I wasn't really into all that,
Speaker 3: so I'm like, I really don't know what.
Speaker 1: Why would an alien be speaking to take a trot.
Speaker 3: Down the road? Yeah, and plus what they supposed to be, like,
Speaker 3: you know, four foot tall or something.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, it depends. They're different supposedly different type
Speaker 1: of classes of aliens. So the little four foot tall
Speaker 1: ones are usually the grunt little drones, and then there's bigger,
Speaker 1: gray versions that are linkier. They're about seven foot tall.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this this is definitely lanky and it had it
Speaker 3: just I wish it had turned around, just to let
Speaker 3: me see what it looked like in the front, because
Speaker 3: you know, trying to, you know, identify something from just
Speaker 3: the back. It's you know, it could have been anything,
Speaker 3: especially knowing now how the things I know now about
Speaker 3: different cryptids and stuff. I'm like, right, I don't know when.
Speaker 1: You first told me, I was thinking, and obviously it
Speaker 1: wasn't crawling, it was walking. But you hear like description wise,
Speaker 1: it sounds very similar to like what people say great
Speaker 1: or the pill crawlers are, but they're usually on the ground,
Speaker 1: not wall, looking nonchalantly down the road, so they usually crawl.
Speaker 1: And there's some other versions and I don't want to
Speaker 1: screw up the Native American tribes of where they're originated from,
Speaker 1: but usually up around Minnesota and in Canada, the windowgoes
Speaker 1: are actually described as that. A lot of people think
Speaker 1: they have the antler heads and deer head. That's not
Speaker 1: really what the descriptions are. They're all pales, like pale
Speaker 1: skinned creatures, but they're not even they're more of a
Speaker 1: spiritual thing. They're more like a human that's turned into
Speaker 1: almost like cannibalized type thing. So it's hard to rationalize
Speaker 1: what else that could be. Because the fact that you
Speaker 1: stuck your head out the window and you could still
Speaker 1: see it, So it means it wasn't on your.
Speaker 3: Windshield, and it wasn't only windshield, but.
Speaker 1: It's keeping the same distance in the same pace as
Speaker 1: your vehicle, no matter how fast or slow you're going.
Speaker 1: It's it's almost as if whatever was going it was
Speaker 1: doing that it was interlocked with you. Basically you were
Speaker 1: supposed to see it. Why. I have no idea now.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I talked to someone recently about this. They said
Speaker 1: that they don't necessarily just enter our world, but we're
Speaker 1: also entering nurse. There's like a bridge, so maybe the
Speaker 1: distance between you guys was the bridge park. So it's
Speaker 1: just going about its business, just happened to cross into
Speaker 1: its plane of existence, so we're kind of just stuck
Speaker 1: until it got to where it was going. Then you
Speaker 1: got out of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know why I saw it or why
Speaker 3: there was no car you know that particular, there was
Speaker 3: no car other cars on the road to you know,
Speaker 3: witness it as well.
Speaker 1: How long ago was this?
Speaker 3: I would I think it was around twenty two thousand
Speaker 3: and two because I was a young a young mother.
Speaker 3: My son was just a baby.
Speaker 1: Went okay, so over twenty years ago. Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: interesting because it's not in the same area. But there's
Speaker 1: been other people I've talked to recently that've had experiences
Speaker 1: back in those times too, which they were more to
Speaker 1: the south. But I feel like there's just weirdness in
Speaker 1: general everywhere, and it's hard to explain it. Part of
Speaker 1: the things that I've been looking into is more locally
Speaker 1: basis because it's easier for me to look into stuff
Speaker 1: because I'm right here now where you had your experience,
Speaker 1: that was it closer to where salmony is. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think of where nine would be at.
Speaker 4: Okay, it would be I would say sal Salomony a
Speaker 4: little bit because it because where I saw this out
Speaker 4: it was still on the two lane.
Speaker 3: The duel lane doesn't doesn't spread until like a little
Speaker 3: farther down the road.
Speaker 1: Maybe when we're done here, you can try and pinpoint
Speaker 1: it on a map and then I'll add it to
Speaker 1: my little collection of places of them trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: I've had so many people reach out to me since
Speaker 1: I said something about doing this. They want to be involved,
Speaker 1: as like, I don't need fifteen hundred people because the
Speaker 1: more people that are involved, that's just more stuff for
Speaker 1: me to try and deal with. I want to keep
Speaker 1: it just a couple of people. You being a paranormal investigator,
Speaker 1: if you go out there were twenty people, you're contaminating everything.
Speaker 3: You're definitely contaminating things.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like I want to show some
Speaker 1: people some spots, but all my details and everything I'm
Speaker 1: keeping close to my chest, and only a handful of
Speaker 1: people is going to know what I'm doing because I
Speaker 1: don't need anyone else out there in the middle of
Speaker 1: me trying to do something that them come out running
Speaker 1: in a werewolf costume and probably get popped in the
Speaker 1: face with something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So for anyone listening, don't do that to people
Speaker 1: that go out and investigate stuff. You might get shot.
Speaker 1: One day, which apparently completely off topic, there was a
Speaker 1: guy that he was dressed as Bigfoot years back that
Speaker 1: used to run out and I guess he ran out
Speaker 1: too close to the road. It could be an urban myth.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but someone had told me that recently
Speaker 1: that he got killed by getting ran over because he's
Speaker 1: trying to run out and scare people.
Speaker 3: Oh jeez.
Speaker 1: So I don't know where people have the idea that
Speaker 1: this is a good idea, but don't do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely not a good idea.
Speaker 1: But back to this thing, did you ever see a
Speaker 1: face to it or it's always just was looking.
Speaker 3: It was always looking forward.
Speaker 1: So the head itself, you said, was kind of bulbous.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. I would say it was like the
Speaker 3: biggest part of the whole body.
Speaker 1: So it's had a really big head.
Speaker 3: Well, it's gonna be so hard to explain. It wasn't
Speaker 3: like it it wasn't like a great, big, like bulbous head,
Speaker 3: but it was. It would be like I would say,
Speaker 3: like the bulkiest of the whole thing, because every everything
Speaker 3: about it was really long and skinny and like frail,
Speaker 3: just like all stretched out. The neck on it was
Speaker 3: shorter than I'll just I'll just put it out there
Speaker 3: like this, like you know how like ET's neck is
Speaker 3: like really long and stretch It's not. It wasn't that long.
Speaker 3: It's it was quite a bit shorter. Actually, the neck
Speaker 3: would have been like the shortest part of the whole
Speaker 3: Torso I guess.
Speaker 1: Did you see like any It's weird to say that
Speaker 1: this way, but like did it have like a ass
Speaker 1: in to it or anything or is it just straight?
Speaker 4: Just for I.
Speaker 3: Didn't see like, you know, a bum hole or like that,
Speaker 3: but you could tell you could tell the separation of
Speaker 3: the legs, so I guess that would be more or
Speaker 3: less the you know, the ass and though separation, you
Speaker 3: can see the movement.
Speaker 1: Right, so it had it wasn't like connected basically, it
Speaker 1: was all it looked very humanoid basically, Yeah, yeah, that's weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now far as like you said, you couldn't see the
Speaker 1: feet to it or the hands really said as long, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't remember seeing. I don't remember seeing to even
Speaker 3: look at the for feet.
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, like maybe it was and then some
Speaker 1: me just thinking but it was something from a different frequency.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it's paranormal because I think
Speaker 1: it's very hard to determine words or something strange without
Speaker 1: sounding like a classifying is one thing or another, because again,
Speaker 1: who really knows. Yeah, but I don't feel like it
Speaker 1: was alien in the sense of alien, But what do
Speaker 1: I know?
Speaker 4: For me?
Speaker 1: It was more like it's something from a different plane
Speaker 1: of existence. It similar thing I can think of, And
Speaker 1: I know people will roll a rived people say stuff
Speaker 1: like that, but I think paranormal is the same way
Speaker 1: I think, like spirits and ghosts and everything else. I
Speaker 1: don't think they're from here in the sense of this
Speaker 1: is our worlds, they're just in our world. I think
Speaker 1: they go somewhere else, and sometimes that somewhere else bleeds
Speaker 1: back into our world. It's maybe what you saw again,
Speaker 1: not saying paranormal, but it was something from that side
Speaker 1: bleeding back over. Does that makes sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does, especially now because, like I said, back then,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have really known that. But as I got
Speaker 3: into like the paranormal stuff and all that, you know,
Speaker 3: and the experiences that I've had and listen to other people's,
Speaker 3: you know, experiences, a little more knowledgeable now, so that
Speaker 3: does make more sense to me.
Speaker 1: You weren't missing any time or anything, right, not.
Speaker 3: That I recall. I remember when I got to the
Speaker 3: point where this whatever, this thing was disappeared. I don't
Speaker 3: remember if I actually stopped or if I had just
Speaker 3: slowed down real slow, because I'm like, where the hell
Speaker 3: did it go? And I'm looking around, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: looking around. You know, they got trees over here, trees
Speaker 3: over here, And then that's when I that's when my
Speaker 3: I would say, my fight or flight kind of kicked
Speaker 3: in because I'm like, what if it comes out of
Speaker 3: nowhere and like jumps in the back seat or hits
Speaker 3: my car or whatever, you know, So I just, you know,
Speaker 3: rolled the window down. Do you know while I was
Speaker 3: there like looking around trying to figure it out, you
Speaker 3: know exactly. I don't recall if I actually stopped or
Speaker 3: if I actually just slowed down, but I did do
Speaker 3: one of the two.
Speaker 1: Do you know what time of the year this would
Speaker 1: have been.
Speaker 3: I would say it definitely wasn't winter. Okay, it definitely
Speaker 3: wasn't winter. There was no snow on the ground or
Speaker 3: anything like that. I would say probably.
Speaker 1: In the end, I.
Speaker 3: Would say maybe in between the summertime sometime. Maybe I'm
Speaker 3: guessing it's been so long ago, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any correlation to anything about
Speaker 1: those type of seasons or stuff. But a few people
Speaker 1: I've talked to a lot of other stuff has been
Speaker 1: in the summertime that they've seen things. I saw something
Speaker 1: in the winter, So I can't make a connection to
Speaker 1: anything different time of the year. But I know there's
Speaker 1: been some other things that people have seen recently in
Speaker 1: our area, and it just so happened to be summertime
Speaker 1: and before I don't really want to talk about on
Speaker 1: this episode, but there's been people that I've talked to
Speaker 1: here recently. They have sorts of quote unquote evidence from stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's like, okay, I'll bite. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're just feeding me a lot of crap, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to look into it. So it's like, how far
Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole do you go when you come
Speaker 1: into stuff like this and you start to look into
Speaker 1: stuff and you start asking people from around the local area.
Speaker 1: I've been messaged by several different people all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: A lot of their stuff that they've talked about doesn't
Speaker 1: necessarily align with what I'm doing, but that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: it's not somehow connected. Yeah, So it's like with yours,
Speaker 1: it's I talked to you before I was going to
Speaker 1: start doing this. But for me, it's like your story
Speaker 1: is similar to a lot of other peoples where they
Speaker 1: see something. Your stands out for different reasons. For the
Speaker 1: fact that it was same distance the whole time. Obviously
Speaker 1: you didn't see a big foot or a dog man
Speaker 1: or whatever people have been seen.
Speaker 3: Now it had there was no hair, there was no
Speaker 3: it was just an odd looking something.
Speaker 1: Right, I talked to someone else recently that was I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly know their location, but they saw something
Speaker 1: run out of a cornfield. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: him exactly where his thing was, because he said, if
Speaker 1: I remember right, it was gray or white, but he
Speaker 1: couldn't see. I don't I'll have to go back. And
Speaker 1: it's been almost a year ago since I talked to him,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna have to go back and listen to
Speaker 1: what it was. And then reached back out to him
Speaker 1: because he was over I believe he lives in the Fountain.
Speaker 1: That's fifteen, isn't it that road?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so, And he was on his way to
Speaker 1: work up north and I don't remember. I honestly thought
Speaker 1: he said it was on nine, but it would have
Speaker 1: been north of Walbash. But this was just like last year,
Speaker 1: so who knows. I've talked to someone else. That's strange
Speaker 1: that the location that this person had. Within a month later,
Speaker 1: there was a big foot sight in the same spot.
Speaker 1: And then if you look on the big foot tracking
Speaker 1: thing like for like when people report stuff, there was
Speaker 1: one from nineteen seventy five the same area, so and
Speaker 1: that's just whoever reports of this mapping thing. And there's
Speaker 1: obviously I hear stuff all the time about people seeing
Speaker 1: stuff in Salomony and out in this cinemol, but there's
Speaker 1: nothing on those things.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I didn't report this other than some people
Speaker 3: who work like I saw something weird shit and on
Speaker 3: the way to work us.
Speaker 1: How did they take it? That's the thing that you
Speaker 1: figure out when you tell people something you've seeing something weird,
Speaker 1: They're either going to be like, oh really and they're
Speaker 1: gonna go along with it, or they're going to look
Speaker 1: at you and think you're crazy. There's really no well,
Speaker 1: there's no other way of going about it.
Speaker 3: People that know me knows that knows me that they
Speaker 3: know me. I am not like a bullshitter like if
Speaker 3: I if I say it, something's got to be about it.
Speaker 3: I really wasn't looked at like, oh my god, Amanda's
Speaker 3: seen some weird shit again, or you know, she's just
Speaker 3: out of her gourd. I know, I actually never got that.
Speaker 1: Okay. People are very strange on how they react, so
Speaker 1: you never know what people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my supervisor at the time, she would always talk
Speaker 3: about like seeing some weird stuff, like actually on one
Speaker 3: twenty four, not nine, but like one twenty four, and
Speaker 3: they were like, they seemed to be more paranormal stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, like black shadows, just like weird stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But when I went when I first started to go
Speaker 3: to the well, I guess I have to backtractice a
Speaker 3: little bit. When I went to the first two meeting
Speaker 3: for the UFO excuse me and alien existence before I
Speaker 3: became the head facilitator. I went to that first meeting
Speaker 3: because I'm like, well, mate, because you know, in the
Speaker 3: back of my head it kind of like it kind
Speaker 3: of jarred that memory again after all these years, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, maybe somebody there knows. Maybe if I listen,
Speaker 3: maybe they kind of know what maybe I saw, because
Speaker 3: like I said, I never correlated it to be anything
Speaker 3: paranormal or crypt or anything like that. You know, I
Speaker 3: never made a correlation like that.
Speaker 1: Off topic. But you brought this up. How did Peru
Speaker 1: become one of the hubs for the UFO meeting?
Speaker 3: Obviously I really don't know how they came about to
Speaker 3: come to Peru, believe it or not, other than the
Speaker 3: fact that they wanted to have different counties involved. Because
Speaker 3: there's a lot well for like Grissom and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: You know, it's the same county. Yeah, so I would
Speaker 3: assume that that's why they decided on Peru.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I started seeing posts about it back in
Speaker 1: the winter. Why is Peru listed on here? Just thought
Speaker 1: it was strange, of all places, Peru. But Pru has
Speaker 1: a lot of history to itself, especially when it come
Speaker 1: UFOs because again Grissom the Air Force base. People have
Speaker 1: seen a lot of weird stuff. My grandmother has seen
Speaker 1: stuff fifty sixty years ago out this way. I have
Speaker 1: someone to send me a video back in June. It's
Speaker 1: in the same exact location as to where two separate
Speaker 1: people have told me about their encounters with like a
Speaker 1: were wolf type creature. And then I also figured out
Speaker 1: that the same spots out of bigfoot sighting. So there's
Speaker 1: a UFO, two dog man and a bigfoot all in
Speaker 1: the same location. Seems weird.
Speaker 3: That is very weird.
Speaker 1: So and I have the actual video of the thing
Speaker 1: in the sky. This is back in June. I'm going
Speaker 1: to go talk to I know the person I used
Speaker 1: to be friends with him still talk to everyone in
Speaker 1: a while, but he sent it to me because he
Speaker 1: said he knew I looked into stuff like this and
Speaker 1: wanted to know what the hell is was was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have no idea what it is.
Speaker 1: Something weird in the sky that you literally caught on video.
Speaker 1: So that's why I was waiting for another UFO meeting
Speaker 1: to happen, and it never did.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, we kind of took a hiatus. There was
Speaker 3: some personal things going on with the lead fort Wayne,
Speaker 3: so we decided to take a little hiatus and we'll
Speaker 3: start back up next year when things settled down.
Speaker 1: Hopefully, Oh, whenever it starts back up, hopefully I'll be
Speaker 1: able to present some more information because just a couple
Speaker 1: weeks back, there was also a mass sighting of UFOs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm hearing now.
Speaker 1: So I've talked about this in the last couple episodes
Speaker 1: with people. But again, weird timing for everything. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if the world gives you signs to
Speaker 1: look into things or anything like that, but I keep
Speaker 1: getting all these little weird things happening around here, and
Speaker 1: I keep turning up new stuff and then more people
Speaker 1: reaching out locally. It's just like, all right, I think
Speaker 1: it's time for me to actually get out of the
Speaker 1: barn and start looking into stuff the person. All the
Speaker 1: investigating I've done is been behind the screen, so time
Speaker 1: to get my feet dirty. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I feel the same way, because the more I look
Speaker 3: into the cryptid stuff, the more I like want to
Speaker 3: go out and actually like you know, research it and
Speaker 3: like go out kind of like looking for it, I
Speaker 3: guess because I don't get me wrong, I love the
Speaker 3: paranormal and stuff, but there's just a lot of different
Speaker 3: things out there that kind of tickles the brain on
Speaker 3: what it may be.
Speaker 1: Or when it comes to paranormal stuff, for me, I've
Speaker 1: never been one. Like I used to watch the shows
Speaker 1: and it became more of a I just got burnt
Speaker 1: out and I feel like a lot of us been
Speaker 1: over over at abundance but also so just like over
Speaker 1: dramaticized just for the sake of TV shows.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I went out some with people and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say who, because like, no, we all know them.
Speaker 1: But I went out years ago. This is back in
Speaker 1: the mid two thousands with one of the local groups,
Speaker 1: and everything that they were talking about was paranormal.
Speaker 3: See a lot of orbs too, huh.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were talking. We went to
Speaker 1: okinok they had a lot of.
Speaker 3: Oh you definitely had orbs out there.
Speaker 1: We walked through Okpoki. They kept saying their meetings were
Speaker 1: going on and off. I'm like, well, that's not necessarily
Speaker 1: saying that's paranormal rush. And then we went into which
Speaker 1: again this ties back into some of the things I've
Speaker 1: looked into, the Circus Hall of Fame. We went to
Speaker 1: that building. Well, that building was built in about the
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: I forget exactly when.
Speaker 1: But it's an old it's very old. A little building
Speaker 1: meets were jumping like crazes. Well, this building has really
Speaker 1: shitty wiring, so you're going to get a lot of
Speaker 1: electromagnetic stuff just from the wiring. Well, there's no power on.
Speaker 1: It's like the wires still have power run toombs. Because
Speaker 1: your switches are around doesn't mean electricity is not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: I understand how things work, and I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't. Just because the switches and on
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're still not current, right, So you're still
Speaker 1: going to pick up those weird emf builds. So that's
Speaker 1: when it comes to paranormal. For me. It's like, I
Speaker 1: don't even go out looking for paranormal be cause I
Speaker 1: get weird stuff happening here all the time. I don't
Speaker 1: have to go anywhere. Like the house we lived in
Speaker 1: in Converse was built in the eighteen hundreds. We never
Speaker 1: had any issues. We moved to a newer house and
Speaker 1: now get toys driving across the ground by.
Speaker 3: Themselves, So must be the land. But it's kind of
Speaker 3: funny you mentioning the Service Hall of Fame because my
Speaker 3: first I'll say, I'll say ghost hunt this time, because
Speaker 3: that's what I was tending to do before I became
Speaker 3: an actual like investigator and actually wanted to like research
Speaker 3: and do that stuff. This has been like before I started,
Speaker 3: so it's been at least eight years ago. That was
Speaker 3: my first real, real like ghost hunt of like real
Speaker 3: people and you know, professionals. I actually had an experience
Speaker 3: where we were we were standing in like a circle
Speaker 3: and trying to like determine how we were going to
Speaker 3: like separate groups and stuff, you know, to like go
Speaker 3: into the different areas and stuff. And we're standing there
Speaker 3: and the next thing I know, I see this black
Speaker 3: shadow figure go from left to right down like down
Speaker 3: the way from like this. It was some kind of
Speaker 3: statue or something that it came from, went from left
Speaker 3: to right, and I'm like, you know, mouth dropped. I'm like, right,
Speaker 3: did I really just see that? And then the next
Speaker 3: thing I know, I have my head, my forehead three
Speaker 3: pokes and I'm like, looking around, I'm like, and that
Speaker 3: that was very distinct, you know, I mean, you can
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just standing there. We're all just talking,
Speaker 3: you know, and trying to figure out how we're going
Speaker 3: to do the groups, and I'm already having like these
Speaker 3: weird experiences. I'm like, and I get three pokes on
Speaker 3: my forehead and I'm looking around. I'm thinking, Okay, did
Speaker 3: something fall from the ceiling? You know, nobody else is
Speaker 3: seeing anything, nobody else is doing anything. I'm like, what
Speaker 3: the hell was that? So apparently it was it was
Speaker 3: my turn, I guess to get to get some kind
Speaker 3: of interaction to kind of verify that, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's something going on there. But I haven't been able to,
Speaker 3: you know, figure that one out either.
Speaker 1: I'm like, have you ever done any research on the circus.
Speaker 3: The only thing that I recall is they had a
Speaker 3: flood and a lot of the animals didn't make it
Speaker 3: from the flood.
Speaker 1: Does anyone ever question why they chose this area for
Speaker 1: the circus that I don't know. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: weird stuff about this land in general, and the spot
Speaker 1: that they chose isn't too far from one of the
Speaker 1: weirdest spots in this general area, which is Okepinoke. So
Speaker 1: where the circus Hall of Fame is. If you follow
Speaker 1: that little river, yeah, it goes right to Okepinoke, Yeah
Speaker 1: it does. They used to have a camp site along
Speaker 1: the miss Sinhwal River. I don't know the exact location
Speaker 1: from the eighteen hundreds of where this was, but back
Speaker 1: in the eighteen hundred when they decided to make the
Speaker 1: circus whatever his name was, Wallace or whatever that came
Speaker 1: in and decided to do the circus, they had all
Speaker 1: the stuff set up as a camp out along the
Speaker 1: miss Sinowa River. Circus thinks to me, without going straight
Speaker 1: up wlu, I feel like it is very They bring
Speaker 1: a lot of different emotions. They bring in kids, they
Speaker 1: bring in, excitement, they bring in back in those days,
Speaker 1: things used to travel around the circus, used to do things,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the stuff they brought in weird oddities. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why of all places in the world. Did they make
Speaker 1: this circus capital of the world, Like Little Peru, Indiana.
Speaker 1: The same location to where a lot of people report
Speaker 1: having weird paranormal instances or run ins with weird cryptids
Speaker 1: or seeing UFOs is in the same general area where
Speaker 1: the circus thing was in the eighteen hundreds. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's a connection with that or not.
Speaker 3: Could be just one of those synchronicities, like anything else,
Speaker 3: you never know.
Speaker 1: But why is everything somehow connected with the Miscinola River?
Speaker 1: Like the circus is there, cryptid sightings are there? The
Speaker 1: UFO lying over is there? Ohkaiven ok is right there,
Speaker 1: which I've never had anything weird happen out there. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people I've talked to claims with, Oh,
Speaker 1: you got to go to it's the most haunted place.
Speaker 1: It's the most creepiest place. I was, like, I've walked
Speaker 1: through the woods. I never found the hidden thing that's
Speaker 1: supposedly out there.
Speaker 3: Like we found that on accident.
Speaker 1: So you actually have found it. Yes, someone says it's
Speaker 1: not there. I claim it's a lie.
Speaker 3: That's not a lie. Okay, I have pictures.
Speaker 1: I promise that, Okay, I would like to see it sometime.
Speaker 1: I like to go there myself because we searched for
Speaker 1: it when I was in high school. We're just out
Speaker 1: of high school, and we never found We were out
Speaker 1: there for hours and never found it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also there is a uh and I forget where exactly.
Speaker 3: I have pictures of it too, but there's like before
Speaker 3: you actually get into like the actual roundabout at ok
Speaker 3: there is a foundation. It'd be on the left hand side.
Speaker 1: I seen the foundation. I'm pretty sure it's been so
Speaker 1: long as I've actually been back there, it's been twenty
Speaker 1: some years. We camped out there. The last time I
Speaker 1: camped out there was over twenty years ago because nothing
Speaker 1: ever happened. So for me, I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: see why everyone talks about this, because even my mom
Speaker 1: knew about it because she grew up here, so for her,
Speaker 1: everyone said, oh the crazy stuff it oh giving Okay.
Speaker 1: Same thing with Hookman Cemetery. Everyone said that place was
Speaker 1: creepy and I used to go up there all the time.
Speaker 1: We never had nothing. If you actually walk through the woods,
Speaker 1: you go further, you'd find hidden graves that weren't in
Speaker 1: the cemetery. That was weird for me because we weren't
Speaker 1: expecting to find graves in the woods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, unmarked edstones, so that I never saw. But I
Speaker 3: love our cemetery. It's like my favorites.
Speaker 1: Now it's kind of off limits because the RV places there,
Speaker 1: which I thought was strange. They don't get back. Is
Speaker 1: their access to get up there now or does it
Speaker 1: you have to trespassor the.
Speaker 3: Other used to be. I don't know if they've put
Speaker 3: up signs yet.
Speaker 1: I stopped doing my ghost hunting stuff twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: It's funny that I used to do this stuff before
Speaker 1: it was ever on TV, Like me and my friends
Speaker 1: were doing it in school back in the early two thousands.
Speaker 1: And then I started watching Ghost Unders. I think that
Speaker 1: was like the first one that ever really came on TV.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, like the Transsetters of the So I was.
Speaker 1: Like, ooh, taps. I really liked that show. Then everyone
Speaker 1: else started doing it and it just got oversaturated with
Speaker 1: everyone around here was doing I was just like, what
Speaker 1: is some of the weird things that you've actually experienced
Speaker 1: while doing investigations?
Speaker 3: Well, there's so many.
Speaker 1: What stands out the most?
Speaker 3: Okay, we were at a location down in Mitchell, Indiana,
Speaker 3: and we're that kind of team that we, at least
Speaker 3: for me, I like to kind of know what to
Speaker 3: try to debunk. And so we went to this place
Speaker 3: and Mental, Indiana, and there was stories about you know,
Speaker 3: this door opening like several times and stuff like that
Speaker 3: in one of the one of the bedrooms, and believe
Speaker 3: it or not, that did happen for us. It opened
Speaker 3: on its own. I caught it on video four times
Speaker 3: and we're pretty sure that it actually happened five. I
Speaker 3: even put a camera on the inside of it. It
Speaker 3: was like it was like a closet as it was,
Speaker 3: and I there was no like other access. I don't
Speaker 3: remember there being any windows or anything like that. So
Speaker 3: there was no logical explanation as to why that door
Speaker 3: should be opening, because you could actually hear it like click,
Speaker 3: you know, it was like an old and it was
Speaker 3: just it was just crazy. And I was the one
Speaker 3: that was like, it's not logical. It's not logical. My
Speaker 3: friends are like, my team is like, this is the
Speaker 3: paranormal man, God's paragorgal. This is what we do. I'm like,
Speaker 3: but that's not logical. We oh man, it was. It
Speaker 3: was wild and it would actually do things or sounds
Speaker 3: kind of strange, but the spirit or whatever was going
Speaker 3: on would actually do as requested, Like we put a
Speaker 3: penny on the door like the doorknob, and I also
Speaker 3: had like a a string of bells and we would
Speaker 3: ask it to open the door and drop the penny,
Speaker 3: or open the door and leave the penny on the handle,
Speaker 3: and it would do it every time. So whatever was
Speaker 3: going on was intelligent. So therefore, when my teammate and
Speaker 3: I was trying to put myself at ease, you know,
Speaker 3: like that's not logical, we found no trickery in the doorframe.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how somebody could maneuver, you know,
Speaker 3: an instance like that to where they could you know,
Speaker 3: fake that.
Speaker 1: Right, And it's hard to do, especially again when there's
Speaker 1: more people watching too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very unusual. I was. I was really
Speaker 3: excited and very like every emotion you can imagine I
Speaker 3: was feeling that night watching this. I actually had to
Speaker 3: like go outside like get calmed down because I was like,
Speaker 3: this is insane, that's not even logical. Everybody else like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you ever seen any like full body apparitions?
Speaker 3: Yes? And when I when I talk about full body apparitions,
Speaker 3: to me, that's not including shadow figures. To me, that's
Speaker 3: a separate entity.
Speaker 1: They are, at least I think so.
Speaker 3: I have seen at least two actual full bodied apparitions,
Speaker 3: both in two different locations. I have seen a lot
Speaker 3: of and this is just from even at my own
Speaker 3: home animals, spirits of animals, even my own pets.
Speaker 1: Hmm. I haven't talked to anyone that's talked about that.
Speaker 1: So I've heard about it, but no one has ever
Speaker 1: mentioned anything about animal energies. And I think it's because
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't associate spirits with animals, because
Speaker 1: a lot of people think spirits are energies for like
Speaker 1: your soul. Yeah, so for being haunted by an animal
Speaker 1: kind of means well they must add one too, and
Speaker 1: that kind of goes against different type of ideologies. So
Speaker 1: I think we're all Any living being has some sort
Speaker 1: of energy. I'm not saying soul, I'm not saying a consciousness,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying whatever. But like, I think we're all something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But as far as he said the animals were your.
Speaker 3: Own house, yeah, I had a Formese mountain dog that
Speaker 3: have passed away, and h it started out I'd only
Speaker 3: see him twice. It started out where I would feel
Speaker 3: him like lean up against me and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Of course, you know, my husband doesn't believe in any
Speaker 3: of this stuff. You know, He's like, oh, you're crazy
Speaker 3: this and not, you know, weak minds, blah blah blah whatever.
Speaker 3: And I would feel the nook like lean up against
Speaker 3: me because I would kind of like shift, you know,
Speaker 3: like how he would always like lean up against me.
Speaker 3: He was a big dog. And then the first time
Speaker 3: I seen him, uh, it was actually on Thanksgiving. I
Speaker 3: was in the dining room and I happened to look
Speaker 3: out towards the barn going through in the dining room
Speaker 3: and I seen him out there. And the thing was
Speaker 3: is he wasn't he wasn't solid. He was kind of,
Speaker 3: I would say, kind of see through like a transparency. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I know what I saw, right, And of course,
Speaker 3: you know, I run out, you know, like it's not there,
Speaker 3: and it's not there, and it was only for you know,
Speaker 3: a few seconds, but I know what I saw. And
Speaker 3: my other dog would actually like and this is before
Speaker 3: I actually seen him, you would see her out there
Speaker 3: playing like she was still playing with me.
Speaker 1: What would you do? I haven't asked this before. I
Speaker 1: just it just dawn on me. Like you said, you
Speaker 1: ran out there, and I've ran after things that I've
Speaker 1: seen too. What are you going to do when you
Speaker 1: get out there if it's still there?
Speaker 3: Depends on what it is.
Speaker 1: Because I'd never gotten that far either. Like when I've
Speaker 1: chased after the shadow in the hallway this past winter,
Speaker 1: it ran to my daughter's room, so I ran in
Speaker 1: there too. I don't know what I was going to
Speaker 1: do afterwards, beside ninjakiket or something. Yeah, Like no one
Speaker 1: ever gets that far, Like, oh, if I see a bigfoot,
Speaker 1: I'm going after it. What do you do when you
Speaker 1: get to it?
Speaker 3: I I honestly don't know. I haven't got that far yet.
Speaker 3: I would say, if I think it was something it's
Speaker 3: all like a bigfoot, I better have something on me.
Speaker 1: If it's just gonna make it mad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna have something on me to, like a
Speaker 3: bullhorn or something. Right, maybe scared it off.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like when it comes to paranormal stuff,
Speaker 1: paranormal stuff for me doesn't make me a free It
Speaker 1: never has, and I don't know if it's because maybe
Speaker 1: I'm just not one hundred percent on board with the
Speaker 1: like the weird stuff of it. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: try and kick rocks to make things come back with me.
Speaker 1: It's why I personally don't go out and look for
Speaker 1: stuff because I don't want to bring it home. I
Speaker 1: already have enough here. But at the same time, it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to go If someone says I can't
Speaker 1: go in the house, man, it's just it's it's awful.
Speaker 1: I actually want to go in there because they're afraid
Speaker 1: of it. I want to see what's so afraid about
Speaker 1: this place? But then I'm like, then that's what makes
Speaker 1: me nervous, is well, if they're so afraid of it,
Speaker 1: what if there really is something in there? And then
Speaker 1: what if I decide that wants to follow me back?
Speaker 1: Because I'm an asshole and I've been instigated it and
Speaker 1: tormented it. And I was told this at the Crawfordsville
Speaker 1: thing I spoke at recently. I need to stop doing
Speaker 1: what I'm doing because I'm making things mad and I'm
Speaker 1: tormenting things.
Speaker 3: Is that what you're doing?
Speaker 1: Apparently haven't we all? So I need to be more
Speaker 1: uh conscious of what I do because the things that
Speaker 1: I say and the things that I do and the
Speaker 1: things I look into is making things angry, and that's
Speaker 1: why I get the activity that I get, because I'm
Speaker 1: opening up myself to other things to come in. I'm
Speaker 1: inviting everything.
Speaker 3: I think there's some truth to that. But as far
Speaker 3: as like making something mad, why the hell would it
Speaker 3: matter to whatever that is.
Speaker 1: I think someone told me this before, and I agree
Speaker 1: with it. When you start looking into things, things start
Speaker 1: looking back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At first, two years ago, when the person said it
Speaker 1: to me, I thought they were freaking crazy because it
Speaker 1: makes no sense. But now that I've been doing this,
Speaker 1: I honestly believe that there is some truth to that.
Speaker 1: Like when you start noticing things, things will start noticing
Speaker 1: you more.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: So when you talk with people that have had experiences,
Speaker 1: usually someone will have a paranormal experience. You ask them,
Speaker 1: have you ever seen a UFO? Nine times out of
Speaker 1: ten they've seen a UFO, someone's seen a bigfoot, most
Speaker 1: likely they've seen orbs. Again, there's all It's almost like everything, somehow,
Speaker 1: one way or another, is connected in one form or another.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it other than the
Speaker 1: fact that there's all some sort of interconnection intertwinedness to
Speaker 1: allow of the weird phenomena that goes on. It all
Speaker 1: seems very simulated to me, which I'm not saying we
Speaker 1: live in the matrix, but sometimes it seems that way.
Speaker 3: Well, I haven't checked off that UFO box yet, I think, So.
Speaker 1: Keep your eyes of the sky. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: weird stuff. Go out to uh or the Walbash River
Speaker 1: in the Missisinamall meat you might see something that might.
Speaker 3: Not be a beat a triangle there.
Speaker 1: It might not be it's funny, you say, trying because
Speaker 1: actually as a triangle, which is weird. When you go
Speaker 1: out there, maybe you'll see uh, you're cryptied, you'll see
Speaker 1: your UFO and maybe ghost.
Speaker 3: Clowns that would probably actually scare me. The clowns sounds
Speaker 3: are kind of creepy. I'm not actually scared of them,
Speaker 3: but they're just creepy.
Speaker 1: There is some weird stuff about clowns that I will
Speaker 1: not dive into right now on air because again I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about a lot of stuff because
Speaker 1: eventually I hope it makes it into this thing I'm
Speaker 1: working on. Okay, so you have to go watch my video,
Speaker 1: the documentary that I'm working on for that, but eventually
Speaker 1: there was some weird stuff that ties in with clowns.
Speaker 1: But well, it's been going on for about an hour.
Speaker 1: Is there anything else you want to talk about?
Speaker 3: Unless you want to hear some more stuff, I mean
Speaker 3: before we can do another time.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want to talk about, I am good. I
Speaker 1: have a couple hours here today. So if there's anything
Speaker 1: that stands out I want to talk about.
Speaker 3: Well I could go back to the pets if you want.
Speaker 1: That's fine.
Speaker 3: Okay. So, like I said before, I saw in the
Speaker 3: nook that Thanksgiving went out there and he wasn't there,
Speaker 3: And the next time I actually saw him and he
Speaker 3: was actually more trance, more visual. The next time was
Speaker 3: the day that I brought home a new dog from
Speaker 3: the pound, and that was the last day I've seen him.
Speaker 3: When we go into when we go into some locations
Speaker 3: to like where they may have had an animal there,
Speaker 3: mostly it's cat. I'm kind of a cat person. I
Speaker 3: normally pick pick the cats out, like or they picked
Speaker 3: me out, unless they'll have him like rub against my
Speaker 3: leg or something. But my cat Midnight that passed away.
Speaker 3: He actually passed away in my arms, which was very sad.
Speaker 3: And you know, wonderful all at the same same token.
Speaker 3: He was a really old, really old fella, but he
Speaker 3: actually would I would actually see him still in the
Speaker 3: house doing his own like routine. Now I don't I
Speaker 3: don't know if it was just like his his regular routine,
Speaker 3: or because I never actually he never actually interacted. He
Speaker 3: was just there, just like Nanook did, at least with me.
Speaker 3: I just seen him, I said, my other dog. She
Speaker 3: seemed to play with them.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the animals since the other animal,
Speaker 1: they said, us playing with it, Like, do you believe
Speaker 1: that they can still see them?
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 1: They claim pets can see like things that we can't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: I think kids are that way too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: And it's like, are they able to interact with the
Speaker 1: things that as adults our mind gets shut off to.
Speaker 1: Why does our mind get turned off from that? Who knows?
Speaker 1: But it's like too.
Speaker 3: Much adult stuff. I guess something, too much stress and
Speaker 3: don't have time for it.
Speaker 1: It is weird that as kids, kids have that vivid imaginations,
Speaker 1: or so they say, except the things that kids see
Speaker 1: and do. What if it's not an imagination? What if
Speaker 1: it's true? It's creepy to think given that aspect of like,
Speaker 1: how many times has kids had imaginary friends? How many
Speaker 1: times does kids say they see monsters in the closet?
Speaker 1: How many times kids are fraid? And what if it's
Speaker 1: not really their imagination, but they're actually seeing the things
Speaker 1: that we can't see. What if things that are around
Speaker 1: us all the time and we're just not able to
Speaker 1: see it.
Speaker 3: I do believe that. In fact, my my son when
Speaker 3: he was little, had somebody he would play with. M h.
Speaker 3: The first time I recall it it happening, he was
Speaker 3: he was a little confused. I went to get him
Speaker 3: some some milk out of the refrigerator or something like that,
Speaker 3: and we're standing there in the kitchen. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: I got the refrigerator door open, and he does that
Speaker 3: little that little kid tug on the back of me,
Speaker 3: and I went around like, well, baby, he points up
Speaker 3: to the to the corner of the kitchen. He says,
Speaker 3: why is that boy flying? Of course, every hair on
Speaker 3: the back of my neck stands up, you know, because
Speaker 3: I've had experiences in that house. I've never actually seen
Speaker 3: anything in the house, but I'd always been touched or
Speaker 3: had a hand on me here, but nothing like childlike
Speaker 3: that I had seen childlike, So it wasn't until I
Speaker 3: had my son that he was seeing a little boy.
Speaker 1: Did he say what it looked like?
Speaker 3: He was little. I don't recall even asking, Y.
Speaker 1: Learn from my mistakes, don't ask well, see later on.
Speaker 3: And I had seen like a man in the house before,
Speaker 3: like a black shadow figure of a man. He was
Speaker 3: my first hat man that I recall seeing. When my
Speaker 3: son got a little bit older, he told me that
Speaker 3: there was actually a family there, and not just a
Speaker 3: little boy and a man. So there was a family
Speaker 3: of three. There was also a woman there, which was
Speaker 3: kind of strange too, because I used to hear voices
Speaker 3: a man woman's voice in the house as well, but
Speaker 3: it was only a wreck in the in the winter time,
Speaker 3: is when I would actually hear those and you couldn't
Speaker 3: understand what they were saying.
Speaker 1: That's wants I've often wondered. When you hear things talking
Speaker 1: to you, they always speak, but we like if we're English,
Speaker 1: we understand there's certain things and doesn't know how to
Speaker 1: communicate the other people in a different language. I would
Speaker 1: hope so, because let's just say, if you go to Spain,
Speaker 1: the spirits there speak Spanish. But we go in there
Speaker 1: and we're American and we speak English. Are we going
Speaker 1: to hear EVPs of things speaking in Spanish? Are they
Speaker 1: going to speak in English?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 3: I know when we had gone to the Crown Point
Speaker 3: in jail, we did some Spanish speak, you know, the
Speaker 3: best of what we could, because there was a lady
Speaker 3: there that was supposed to be there that had spoke Spanish,
Speaker 3: and we actually got interaction from doing that. So I
Speaker 3: in a nutshell. I I can't really say one way
Speaker 3: or the other, but I would I would hope that
Speaker 3: we would have a universal language, but I don't think
Speaker 3: that's necessarily so depending on maybe the situation or the
Speaker 3: location they were.
Speaker 1: For me, it's weird. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if a spirit, if it's still wandering around and it's
Speaker 1: trying to communicate and it can communicate or whatever, why
Speaker 1: is it still here? Like why if there is an
Speaker 1: afterlife per se? Like, how come it is still wandering around?
Speaker 1: How come some things can interact with people some other
Speaker 1: ones don't. Where does that line get crossed?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Did they not go into the light? Do they wander around?
Speaker 1: Do they not get sent to If you're believing Christian
Speaker 1: or to go to Hell or whatever, like where do
Speaker 1: they come from? And that's where I'm always wondering, Like
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know if ghosts are actually the spirits
Speaker 1: of people per se in the sense of that. I
Speaker 1: think there might be something else to it, but I
Speaker 1: have no idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the more I investigate, the more I think that
Speaker 3: as well. I used to think, you know, that they
Speaker 3: were just you know, maybe trapped here or something or
Speaker 3: had like unfinished business. But I got to the point
Speaker 3: like where you know, especially like you know, going back
Speaker 3: to the animals and stuff, like they were just hanging around.
Speaker 3: I think just to make sure you're okay, they were gone.
Speaker 3: I think that might have something to do with it.
Speaker 1: Me being a not so much of a conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 1: but like that's the way I'm just say negative, Nancy.
Speaker 1: I always look at things like in more of a
Speaker 1: nefarious type of way. What if things are here because
Speaker 1: they know you're more emotional about it, and they're here
Speaker 1: feeding off that emotion, So it's going to manifest itself
Speaker 1: into something that's going to trigger an emotional response.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I actually talk to a guy that is totally
Speaker 3: against what I do before nice to work with me,
Speaker 3: And he would basically be like, well, that's just the devil.
Speaker 3: That's just the devil trying to get you and have
Speaker 3: you do these things.
Speaker 1: And I'm not even saying like everyone goes that round.
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying devil, but I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 1: what if there are things out there that feed on
Speaker 1: like the emotions of people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like they feed all that energy and when
Speaker 5: someone's distraught emotional like a death, or that's when your
Speaker 5: most susceptible, your emotions are really high.
Speaker 1: Right, why wouldn't something if these things are real, I
Speaker 1: don't know, why wouldn't something be around Matt because they
Speaker 1: can sense it and then it needs that energy, so
Speaker 1: it feeds off that energy. They claim I think it
Speaker 1: was succubist that feeds off the life force of people,
Speaker 1: Like that.
Speaker 3: Was an old Yeah, sucubis and incubus. It's just a
Speaker 3: male and.
Speaker 1: Female, but they suck the life force out of people
Speaker 1: when you're sleeping, hat man, Is that a modernized version
Speaker 1: of a succubist or an incubus Because a lot of
Speaker 1: people have that experience. They have sleep paralysis and they
Speaker 1: feel like they can't move like it's someone's draining them.
Speaker 1: They're being drained.
Speaker 3: Yes, that I can't that I can't answer for sure
Speaker 3: because the one time that I saw one, I guess
Speaker 3: I assumed it was the man in the house because
Speaker 3: he had like at the door on, so to me,
Speaker 3: that was the hat man. I I was nervous about
Speaker 3: seeing it, but I wasn't scared. I didn't feel like
Speaker 3: negativity or anything like that, so that I don't know.
Speaker 1: You still have weird stuff going on in your house
Speaker 1: every now then? Your husband still the little even.
Speaker 3: No, he's actually like some of the things that's happened
Speaker 3: in our house even like I said, when we lived
Speaker 3: in when we lived in Amboy, for instance, Uh, I
Speaker 3: I had how was it he had actually uh was
Speaker 3: looking for our son in the house because he thought
Speaker 3: he had heard him come in the door and everything
Speaker 3: we have like like where you hear the doors open shut,
Speaker 3: footsteps in the uh in the kitchen that nothing was found.
Speaker 3: So he's just right off like oh I could, And
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, yeah, okay, I don't know why you're
Speaker 3: telling me because you don't believing this stuff, right.
Speaker 1: It's hard for a skeptical person. I'm very skeptical myself,
Speaker 1: so it's hard for me to jump right into stuff.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm when I mentioned paranormal stuff before. I
Speaker 1: always look for that rational explanation. I still look for
Speaker 1: rational explanations. Sometimes a rational explanation is worse than what
Speaker 1: accepting would be, but that is the route that I
Speaker 1: will go to, just because this has to be something
Speaker 1: that can be explained, Like for some reason, that's just
Speaker 1: how I'm wired. I have to explain it. And when
Speaker 1: you can't explain it, then I'm like, well then maybe
Speaker 1: there's more to it. I don't like saying things paranormal.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I say otherworldly because I think that's more of
Speaker 1: an appropriate term. What I think doesn't really matter. Just
Speaker 1: that works for me. But like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: someone can one hundred percent rule out the possibility of everything.
Speaker 1: And I know so many people that are that way.
Speaker 1: They will not accept the idea of paranormal. They will
Speaker 1: not accept the idea of supernatural or anything cryptid related
Speaker 1: to Ufoor related. Everything is rode off. A lot of
Speaker 1: them are super religious people, which I find even stranger
Speaker 1: because just not just just shot on Christianity because I
Speaker 1: don't it's not my thing. That's my big background of
Speaker 1: what I was raised into. But like a lot of
Speaker 1: Christianity type people will not believe in stuff like this
Speaker 1: yet the ideology of that is the Holy Spirit. So
Speaker 1: you're talking about a spirit, but you don't believe spirits exist.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't make sense of that. So for me,
Speaker 3: it's just a different rule of foam. I guess.
Speaker 1: That is the biggest argument I've always gotten from people
Speaker 1: is none of this stuff is real. Like you've mentioned
Speaker 1: certain stuff with the devil. I've heard that my entire life.
Speaker 1: That's how I was raised. This stuff isn't real like this,
Speaker 1: it's all devil. I don't believe it to be that
Speaker 1: just because there's too much. Maybe I'm one hundred percent wrong.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, but I tend to lean that
Speaker 1: it's not just the devil.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's all the devil. I don't
Speaker 3: know it's all the Devil's making.
Speaker 1: We could be completely wrong, absolutely, So maybe one day
Speaker 1: I'll figure that out, But as of right now, I
Speaker 1: lean a different direction, which goes against everything that I
Speaker 1: was raised. But I guess I'm a rebel. We can
Speaker 1: probably go ahead and wrap this one up. But before
Speaker 1: we do, I just want to say thank you and
Speaker 1: would you like to let anyone else know, like you're
Speaker 1: obviously from Indiana, you do a lot of investigating. Talk
Speaker 1: about the name of your group and where they can
Speaker 1: find you, guys up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure we are Shadow of Secrets Paranormal. You can
Speaker 3: find us on Facebook and if you're interested in the
Speaker 3: UFO and Alien the Assistance, that's on Facebook as well.
Speaker 3: The pre chapter.
Speaker 1: Well, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 3: Likewise, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and that's the show everyone. I really hope
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Speaker 1: keep exploring the unknown. Good Night, everyone.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's turn to rock.
Speaker 1: Got a story about a crypty creature. Let's take a luck.
Speaker 2: Ex foot up. Then they're out there in the talk.
Speaker 1: But the truth is out there.
Speaker 2: Likely CUFO sightings got the whole.
Speaker 1: World shook.
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Speaker 6: China keep us blind. We're all gonna use.
Speaker 3: The whole mind.
Speaker 6: In history. They don't want us to know the secrets
Speaker 6: they hide since they won't show, so they don't society.
Speaker 6: They keep us in chase.
Speaker 1: When Sen and Tom's.
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Speaker 2: But I'm alone before we're gonna use my own.
Speaker 1: Mind in history.
Speaker 6: They want us to know the secrets they hide since
Speaker 6: they will show, so they no society. They keep us
Speaker 6: in chase.
Speaker 3: I say it's talk.
Speaker 1: Do sound to break the reins