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<v Speaker 1>And I just turned around and I call ass out

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<v Speaker 1>of there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was done.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't dealing with them.

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<v Speaker 3>The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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<v Speaker 3>that turned me away the quickest.

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<v Speaker 1>When I turned my head lights on, it turned and

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<v Speaker 1>looked at us. And one of the things I remember

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<v Speaker 1>the most, where the eyes were going red. I see

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<v Speaker 1>an orb of light. It is just circling these steps

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<v Speaker 1>like it is waiting for me.

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<v Speaker 3>And he begins to tell them that he saw a UFO.

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<v Speaker 1>They're basically like, what are you talking about. That's seven

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<v Speaker 1>foot up on a tree, peeking around it, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>where I saw the.

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<v Speaker 3>Top of the muzzle, nose and the eyes. As soon

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<v Speaker 3>as I made eye contact with this thing, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>like death.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Tenfoil tells. I'm your host, Braindon Wright.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we're going to be joined by my guest, Amanda.

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda is a local Indiana resident not too far from

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<v Speaker 1>my area. Met her a couple of years ago some

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<v Speaker 1>of the paranormal conventions we got going on around here,

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<v Speaker 1>but one of the things she mentioned was about twenty

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<v Speaker 1>plus years ago she had an incident. It's not too

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<v Speaker 1>far from where I've been looking into some of the

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<v Speaker 1>strange activity. It kind of struck with me that she

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<v Speaker 1>actually saw something that kind of goes in line with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the weird stuff over around with this

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<v Speaker 1>cineval area. So I wanted to have her on here

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<v Speaker 1>today and talk to her a little bit about it.

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<v Speaker 1>and dive into the conversation with Amanda, so sit back, relax,

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<v Speaker 1>and enjoy the show. I'd like to take this time

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<v Speaker 1>to welcome my guest at studio today, Amanda. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>coming out here and talking with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you like to let the audience know a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about yourself?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure. I'm Amanda. I come from a small town in Indiana.

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<v Speaker 3>I am a paranormal investigator for shadow Seekers Paranormal and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm also a head facilitator for the UFO and Alien

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<v Speaker 3>Existence in Peru.

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<v Speaker 1>Which I thought was strange we had one in Peru

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<v Speaker 1>because it is a little Peru. But I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>how we first met. I may have met you at

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<v Speaker 1>the Pair Unity event a couple of years ago. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we met, But I'm very bad with names, so I

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<v Speaker 1>see faces like, oh, I recognize that person, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know their name. So there's been people that have

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<v Speaker 1>come up to me before out and walking around, They're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing. I was like, Oh, what's up, buddy?

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<v Speaker 1>So if I call you buddy, it's because I don't

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<v Speaker 1>recognize you. I don't know your name. But you had

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned to me before that you'd had experiences or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the things that always stuck out to

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<v Speaker 1>me is something you said you'd seen on your way

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<v Speaker 1>to work one morning before we get into that, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>was this something that you've ever been interested in prior

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<v Speaker 1>to that event? I know you do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>research with paranormal Yeah, was this kind of what sets

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<v Speaker 1>you into that days are re interested in beforehand?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, no, long star, very short. How I got into

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<v Speaker 3>the paranormal, I would say as I had a personal

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<v Speaker 3>experience as a child when my grandfather passed away. I

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<v Speaker 3>was six, and he came to me in a dream

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<v Speaker 3>as he was passing I would say passing through, because

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<v Speaker 3>from what I remember from my dream, we were in

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<v Speaker 3>some kind of light that it was really bright, and

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<v Speaker 3>we were the only ones there, and I just remember

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<v Speaker 3>him telling me that he loved me and and he

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<v Speaker 3>had to go, but he would keep watch over me

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<v Speaker 3>and that I couldn't go with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Mhm.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's always stuck with me because when I woke

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<v Speaker 3>up and I was I believe I remember correctly, I

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<v Speaker 3>was in I was in the hospital as this was happening,

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<v Speaker 3>but not in the not in the room with me.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like in like the waiting room or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>it was. And I remember my mom taking me up

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<v Speaker 3>and telling me that my palal had I went to

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<v Speaker 3>heaven and I was really confused.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I can relate to that my not going into

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<v Speaker 1>it too much, but my wife's grandfather passed away, so

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<v Speaker 1>my kids they were all actually there when it happened,

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<v Speaker 1>so they all got to see that. So I hope

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't cause things for my youngest ones or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>because they were so young at this point, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they remember. For the older ones, they pretty upset

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<v Speaker 1>by it and obviously my wife being in there, but

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<v Speaker 1>very emotional, dramatic experiences for everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's rough for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily I haven't had to.

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<v Speaker 3>Go through that, so yeah, I would. I would say

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<v Speaker 3>that's where my paranormal journey kind of started because I

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<v Speaker 3>was young, didn't understand what was going on, and I've

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<v Speaker 3>been basically been afraid of death ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, the thing you saw, if you'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>dive into that, then afterwards we can talk about some

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<v Speaker 1>of the weird paranormal stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. Cool. So I worked third shift and I was

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<v Speaker 3>on my way to work one night. I was going

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<v Speaker 3>downstair Road nine between mary And and Huntington, and I was

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<v Speaker 3>by myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm one of those people that if there's no cars

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<v Speaker 3>around or whatever, I'm going to have my high beams

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<v Speaker 3>on because i can't see in the dark. So I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just driving down the road like any other night, and

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<v Speaker 3>I seen this strange thing in the road, in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of the road. And it at first, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like being how I am at least, you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>when you first see something in the road, you think,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, it's a deer or something, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>But this was no deer. This thing that I saw,

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<v Speaker 3>it was at least maybe seven to eight foot tall.

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<v Speaker 3>It was huge, it was very skinny and thin, like

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<v Speaker 3>everything about it was just like i'd say, like stretched out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm only seeing the back of it and it's just

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<v Speaker 3>walking down the road. And I'm confused about this because

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<v Speaker 3>I've never I mean, how can you see anything like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's just it's just not fathomable. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>it was a little crazy. And so I remember sticking,

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<v Speaker 3>like sticking my head out the window to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>make sure like my eyes aren't playing tricks on me

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<v Speaker 3>or you know. And that was a dumb thing to

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<v Speaker 3>do because obviously, you know, you're going down the road

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<v Speaker 3>fifty five sixty miles an hour, you know, in your

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<v Speaker 3>eyes start watering. So I'm like, well, that was stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>So I you know, pull my head back in the

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<v Speaker 3>window and you know, like trying to wipe my eyes,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's still there. It's just walking. And I am

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<v Speaker 3>seeing this this thing walking down the middle of the

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<v Speaker 3>road for at least i'd say two to three minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>But the weird thing is is like at least one

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<v Speaker 3>of the weird things was is I never actually caught

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<v Speaker 3>up to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's still staying away from you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it always stayed in like the beam of my headlights.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was just walking, I'd say, like nonchalantly, like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it was just doing its thing, just walking

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<v Speaker 3>down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it walking away from you, Yes, it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was walking away from me. There's this, uh, this breach

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<v Speaker 3>in the road, like where there's like wooded like a

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<v Speaker 3>wooded area, and I said, I had never seen it

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<v Speaker 3>turn around. You know, I wasn't scared. I was more

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<v Speaker 3>confused of it, as you know, other than you just

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<v Speaker 3>there was There was really no reason to be scared.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just confusion, right because it didn't turn around.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like aggressive or anything. It just was just

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<v Speaker 3>doing whatever it was going to do. And I never

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<v Speaker 3>caught up to it, even though I wanted to. But

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<v Speaker 3>it seemed like the the faster I would start to

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<v Speaker 3>drive to try to kind of catch up to it,

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of see what it was because I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>is this like a man on stilts or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know. That sounds crazy, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you're you're trying to, you know, rationalize what you're what

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<v Speaker 3>you're seeing, and uh, I never could catch up to it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it seemed to me like the faster I

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<v Speaker 3>would try to go to try to catch up to it,

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<v Speaker 3>the farther it was away, but it would still stay

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<v Speaker 3>in the in the beams of my headlights. But it

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<v Speaker 3>was like a I'd say, like a medium, like a

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<v Speaker 3>medium gray color. It was like it seemed like this,

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<v Speaker 3>It seemed like skin, like it was smooth that. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't see any like rough rough bones or anything, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like any kind of distinct features like that.

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<v Speaker 1>No clothing there.

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<v Speaker 3>There was no clothing or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>What are it? It's legs like you feet or hands

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<v Speaker 1>or anything to it.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember seeing I remember seeing like it kind of

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<v Speaker 3>sway its hands as it walked. But I don't recall

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<v Speaker 3>seeing like actual fingers because like everything about this, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>I saw, everything was long. The feet, I don't recall

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<v Speaker 3>seeing actual feet. I just remember seeing the legs and

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<v Speaker 3>you can see like the the beams of my headlights

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<v Speaker 3>and I could see the I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 3>word would be, but like seeing the see it walk,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, see the movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Of it walk.

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<v Speaker 3>With the headlights. But the but the head it would

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<v Speaker 3>kind of bounce in and out, because this is how

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of realized, you know, it was seven to

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<v Speaker 3>eight feet tall, because the head would actually not all

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<v Speaker 3>always be in the beam at the headlights because it

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<v Speaker 3>would kind of like bounce.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously I'm driving down the road, so it's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like bounced up and down. So the head wasn't always

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird to think if you're going at a certain

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<v Speaker 1>speeding never caught up to it, so it had to

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<v Speaker 1>be moving consistently with you, which doesn't make a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense, or something walking in the roads.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like I said, nothing of this encounter made sense.

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<v Speaker 3>And then as I got to the point, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>to three minutes, i'd say, or following this thing however

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<v Speaker 3>got to that like opening, like where the wooded area

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<v Speaker 3>is that by the time it got there, I never

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<v Speaker 3>saw it leave the road, but brandon it.

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<v Speaker 2>It just.

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<v Speaker 3>Vanished, vanish, It just vanished.

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<v Speaker 1>I know there's gonna be people out there that say this,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm going to bring it up. It was in

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<v Speaker 1>a bug on the windshield? Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>That yeah, No, definitely wasn't a bug. Again, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm like, ye know, it was one of my

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<v Speaker 3>things to like, am I am I seeing bugs or

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<v Speaker 3>you know this, This definitely was not a bug.

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<v Speaker 1>There's always people out there that have their opinions of

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<v Speaker 1>what someone else saw because they know everything, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was the first thing I was thinking. I was, someone's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say it's, oh, it's just a bug on the windshield, which.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of wish it was, because, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I I have never seen anything like that before or since,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've always had it like I kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>put it, put it in the back of my head

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<v Speaker 3>after a while, because like it, it doesn't make sense,

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<v Speaker 3>and I have no idea what it could have been

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<v Speaker 3>at that time. You know, I'm thinking maybe it was

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm like, I really don't know what.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would an alien be speaking to take a trot.

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<v Speaker 3>Down the road? Yeah, and plus what they supposed to be, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, four foot tall or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, it depends. They're different supposedly different type

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<v Speaker 1>of classes of aliens. So the little four foot tall

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<v Speaker 1>ones are usually the grunt little drones, and then there's bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>gray versions that are linkier. They're about seven foot tall.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this this is definitely lanky and it had it

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<v Speaker 3>just I wish it had turned around, just to let

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<v Speaker 3>me see what it looked like in the front, because

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<v Speaker 3>you know, trying to, you know, identify something from just

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<v Speaker 3>the back. It's you know, it could have been anything,

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<v Speaker 3>especially knowing now how the things I know now about

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<v Speaker 3>different cryptids and stuff. I'm like, right, I don't know when.

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<v Speaker 1>You first told me, I was thinking, and obviously it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't crawling, it was walking. But you hear like description wise,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds very similar to like what people say great

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<v Speaker 1>or the pill crawlers are, but they're usually on the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>not wall, looking nonchalantly down the road, so they usually crawl.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's some other versions and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>screw up the Native American tribes of where they're originated from,

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<v Speaker 1>but usually up around Minnesota and in Canada, the windowgoes

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<v Speaker 1>are actually described as that. A lot of people think

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<v Speaker 1>they have the antler heads and deer head. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>really what the descriptions are. They're all pales, like pale

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<v Speaker 1>skinned creatures, but they're not even they're more of a

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual thing. They're more like a human that's turned into

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<v Speaker 1>almost like cannibalized type thing. So it's hard to rationalize

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<v Speaker 1>what else that could be. Because the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>stuck your head out the window and you could still

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<v Speaker 1>see it, So it means it wasn't on your.

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<v Speaker 3>Windshield, and it wasn't only windshield, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's keeping the same distance in the same pace as

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<v Speaker 1>your vehicle, no matter how fast or slow you're going.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's almost as if whatever was going it was

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<v Speaker 1>doing that it was interlocked with you. Basically you were

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to see it. Why. I have no idea now.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I talked to someone recently about this. They said

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't necessarily just enter our world, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>also entering nurse. There's like a bridge, so maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>distance between you guys was the bridge park. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>just going about its business, just happened to cross into

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<v Speaker 1>its plane of existence, so we're kind of just stuck

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<v Speaker 1>until it got to where it was going. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>got out of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know why I saw it or why

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<v Speaker 3>there was no car you know that particular, there was

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<v Speaker 3>no car other cars on the road to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>witness it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>How long ago was this?

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<v Speaker 3>I would I think it was around twenty two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and two because I was a young a young mother.

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<v Speaker 3>My son was just a baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Went okay, so over twenty years ago. Yeah, which is

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<v Speaker 1>interesting because it's not in the same area. But there's

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<v Speaker 1>been other people I've talked to recently that've had experiences

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<v Speaker 1>back in those times too, which they were more to

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<v Speaker 1>the south. But I feel like there's just weirdness in

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<v Speaker 1>general everywhere, and it's hard to explain it. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I've been looking into is more locally

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<v Speaker 1>basis because it's easier for me to look into stuff

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm right here now where you had your experience,

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<v Speaker 1>that was it closer to where salmony is. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to think of where nine would be at.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, it would be I would say sal Salomony a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit because it because where I saw this out

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<v Speaker 4>it was still on the two lane.

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<v Speaker 3>The duel lane doesn't doesn't spread until like a little

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<v Speaker 3>farther down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe when we're done here, you can try and pinpoint

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<v Speaker 1>it on a map and then I'll add it to

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<v Speaker 1>my little collection of places of them trying to figure out.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had so many people reach out to me since

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<v Speaker 1>I said something about doing this. They want to be involved,

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<v Speaker 1>as like, I don't need fifteen hundred people because the

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<v Speaker 1>more people that are involved, that's just more stuff for

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<v Speaker 1>me to try and deal with. I want to keep

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<v Speaker 1>it just a couple of people. You being a paranormal investigator,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go out there were twenty people, you're contaminating everything.

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<v Speaker 3>You're definitely contaminating things.

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<v Speaker 1>So for me, it's like I want to show some

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<v Speaker 1>people some spots, but all my details and everything I'm

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<v Speaker 1>keeping close to my chest, and only a handful of

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<v Speaker 1>people is going to know what I'm doing because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't need anyone else out there in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>me trying to do something that them come out running

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<v Speaker 1>in a werewolf costume and probably get popped in the

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<v Speaker 1>face with something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So for anyone listening, don't do that to people

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<v Speaker 1>that go out and investigate stuff. You might get shot.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, which apparently completely off topic, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>guy that he was dressed as Bigfoot years back that

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<v Speaker 1>used to run out and I guess he ran out

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<v Speaker 1>too close to the road. It could be an urban myth.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but someone had told me that recently

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<v Speaker 1>that he got killed by getting ran over because he's

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<v Speaker 1>trying to run out and scare people.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh jeez.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know where people have the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a good idea, but don't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, definitely not a good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>But back to this thing, did you ever see a

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<v Speaker 1>face to it or it's always just was looking.

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<v Speaker 3>It was always looking forward.

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<v Speaker 1>So the head itself, you said, was kind of bulbous.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it was. I would say it was like the

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<v Speaker 3>biggest part of the whole body.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's had a really big head.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's gonna be so hard to explain. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>like it it wasn't like a great, big, like bulbous head,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was. It would be like I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>like the bulkiest of the whole thing, because every everything

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<v Speaker 3>about it was really long and skinny and like frail,

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<v Speaker 3>just like all stretched out. The neck on it was

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<v Speaker 3>shorter than I'll just I'll just put it out there

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<v Speaker 3>like this, like you know how like ET's neck is

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<v Speaker 3>like really long and stretch It's not. It wasn't that long.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it was quite a bit shorter. Actually, the neck

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<v Speaker 3>would have been like the shortest part of the whole

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<v Speaker 3>Torso I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see like any It's weird to say that

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<v Speaker 1>this way, but like did it have like a ass

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<v Speaker 1>in to it or anything or is it just straight?

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<v Speaker 4>Just for I.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't see like, you know, a bum hole or like that,

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<v Speaker 3>but you could tell you could tell the separation of

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<v Speaker 3>the legs, so I guess that would be more or

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<v Speaker 3>less the you know, the ass and though separation, you

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<v Speaker 3>can see the movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so it had it wasn't like connected basically, it

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<v Speaker 1>was all it looked very humanoid basically, Yeah, yeah, that's weird. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>now far as like you said, you couldn't see the

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<v Speaker 1>feet to it or the hands really said as long, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember seeing. I don't remember seeing to even

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<v Speaker 3>look at the for feet.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just wondering, like maybe it was and then some

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<v Speaker 1>me just thinking but it was something from a different frequency.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say it's paranormal because I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's very hard to determine words or something strange without

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<v Speaker 1>sounding like a classifying is one thing or another, because again,

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<v Speaker 1>who really knows. Yeah, but I don't feel like it

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<v Speaker 1>was alien in the sense of alien, But what do

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<v Speaker 1>I know?

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<v Speaker 4>For me?

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<v Speaker 1>It was more like it's something from a different plane

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<v Speaker 1>of existence. It similar thing I can think of, And

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<v Speaker 1>I know people will roll a rived people say stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that, but I think paranormal is the same way

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<v Speaker 1>I think, like spirits and ghosts and everything else. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they're from here in the sense of this

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<v Speaker 1>is our worlds, they're just in our world. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they go somewhere else, and sometimes that somewhere else bleeds

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<v Speaker 1>back into our world. It's maybe what you saw again,

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<v Speaker 1>not saying paranormal, but it was something from that side

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<v Speaker 1>bleeding back over. Does that makes sense?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it does, especially now because, like I said, back then,

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't have really known that. But as I got

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<v Speaker 3>into like the paranormal stuff and all that, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and the experiences that I've had and listen to other people's,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, experiences, a little more knowledgeable now, so that

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<v Speaker 3>does make more sense to me.

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<v Speaker 1>You weren't missing any time or anything, right, not.

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<v Speaker 3>That I recall. I remember when I got to the

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<v Speaker 3>point where this whatever, this thing was disappeared. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>remember if I actually stopped or if I had just

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<v Speaker 3>slowed down real slow, because I'm like, where the hell

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<v Speaker 3>did it go? And I'm looking around, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>looking around. You know, they got trees over here, trees

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<v Speaker 3>over here, And then that's when I that's when my

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, my fight or flight kind of kicked

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<v Speaker 3>in because I'm like, what if it comes out of

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<v Speaker 3>nowhere and like jumps in the back seat or hits

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<v Speaker 3>my car or whatever, you know, So I just, you know,

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00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:21.720
<v Speaker 3>rolled the window down. Do you know while I was

426
00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:23.680
<v Speaker 3>there like looking around trying to figure it out, you

427
00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:25.839
<v Speaker 3>know exactly. I don't recall if I actually stopped or

428
00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:28.559
<v Speaker 3>if I actually just slowed down, but I did do

429
00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:29.200
<v Speaker 3>one of the two.

430
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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what time of the year this would

431
00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:32.599
<v Speaker 1>have been.

432
00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:41.359
<v Speaker 3>I would say it definitely wasn't winter. Okay, it definitely

433
00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:43.079
<v Speaker 3>wasn't winter. There was no snow on the ground or

434
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:46.000
<v Speaker 3>anything like that. I would say probably.

435
00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:52.200
<v Speaker 1>In the end, I.

436
00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:58.440
<v Speaker 3>Would say maybe in between the summertime sometime. Maybe I'm

437
00:22:58.440 --> 00:23:00.880
<v Speaker 3>guessing it's been so long ago, right.

438
00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there's any correlation to anything about

439
00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:07.240
<v Speaker 1>those type of seasons or stuff. But a few people

440
00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I've talked to a lot of other stuff has been

441
00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:12.440
<v Speaker 1>in the summertime that they've seen things. I saw something

442
00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:17.000
<v Speaker 1>in the winter, So I can't make a connection to

443
00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:21.839
<v Speaker 1>anything different time of the year. But I know there's

444
00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:24.880
<v Speaker 1>been some other things that people have seen recently in

445
00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:28.799
<v Speaker 1>our area, and it just so happened to be summertime

446
00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and before I don't really want to talk about on

447
00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:36.680
<v Speaker 1>this episode, but there's been people that I've talked to

448
00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:41.599
<v Speaker 1>here recently. They have sorts of quote unquote evidence from stuff.

449
00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:45.720
<v Speaker 1>So it's like, okay, I'll bite. I don't know if

450
00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:47.240
<v Speaker 1>you're just feeding me a lot of crap, but I'm

451
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:54.000
<v Speaker 1>going to look into it. So it's like, how far

452
00:23:54.119 --> 00:23:58.319
<v Speaker 1>down the rabbit hole do you go when you come

453
00:23:58.359 --> 00:24:01.519
<v Speaker 1>into stuff like this and you start to look into

454
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:04.079
<v Speaker 1>stuff and you start asking people from around the local area.

455
00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I've been messaged by several different people all of a sudden.

456
00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:10.000
<v Speaker 1>A lot of their stuff that they've talked about doesn't

457
00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:14.079
<v Speaker 1>necessarily align with what I'm doing, but that doesn't mean

458
00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:19.839
<v Speaker 1>it's not somehow connected. Yeah, So it's like with yours,

459
00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>it's I talked to you before I was going to

460
00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:29.200
<v Speaker 1>start doing this. But for me, it's like your story

461
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:32.119
<v Speaker 1>is similar to a lot of other peoples where they

462
00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.359
<v Speaker 1>see something. Your stands out for different reasons. For the

463
00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:40.559
<v Speaker 1>fact that it was same distance the whole time. Obviously

464
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:42.880
<v Speaker 1>you didn't see a big foot or a dog man

465
00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:44.119
<v Speaker 1>or whatever people have been seen.

466
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.880
<v Speaker 3>Now it had there was no hair, there was no

467
00:24:48.079 --> 00:24:51.240
<v Speaker 3>it was just an odd looking something.

468
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Right, I talked to someone else recently that was I

469
00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:00.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know exactly know their location, but they saw something

470
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:03.160
<v Speaker 1>run out of a cornfield. I'm gonna I'm gonna ask

471
00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:08.519
<v Speaker 1>him exactly where his thing was, because he said, if

472
00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:11.880
<v Speaker 1>I remember right, it was gray or white, but he

473
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:15.640
<v Speaker 1>couldn't see. I don't I'll have to go back. And

474
00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:17.720
<v Speaker 1>it's been almost a year ago since I talked to him,

475
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:19.559
<v Speaker 1>so I'm gonna have to go back and listen to

476
00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.079
<v Speaker 1>what it was. And then reached back out to him

477
00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:27.480
<v Speaker 1>because he was over I believe he lives in the Fountain.

478
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:31.119
<v Speaker 1>That's fifteen, isn't it that road?

479
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

480
00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I think so, And he was on his way to

481
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:36.319
<v Speaker 1>work up north and I don't remember. I honestly thought

482
00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:38.160
<v Speaker 1>he said it was on nine, but it would have

483
00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:41.599
<v Speaker 1>been north of Walbash. But this was just like last year,

484
00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:47.119
<v Speaker 1>so who knows. I've talked to someone else. That's strange

485
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:53.000
<v Speaker 1>that the location that this person had. Within a month later,

486
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:56.559
<v Speaker 1>there was a big foot sight in the same spot.

487
00:25:57.079 --> 00:25:59.559
<v Speaker 1>And then if you look on the big foot tracking

488
00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:03.039
<v Speaker 1>thing like for like when people report stuff, there was

489
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:08.680
<v Speaker 1>one from nineteen seventy five the same area, so and

490
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.480
<v Speaker 1>that's just whoever reports of this mapping thing. And there's

491
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:13.799
<v Speaker 1>obviously I hear stuff all the time about people seeing

492
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:17.160
<v Speaker 1>stuff in Salomony and out in this cinemol, but there's

493
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:18.799
<v Speaker 1>nothing on those things.

494
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:22.039
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I didn't report this other than some people

495
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:23.839
<v Speaker 3>who work like I saw something weird shit and on

496
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.359
<v Speaker 3>the way to work us.

497
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:30.119
<v Speaker 1>How did they take it? That's the thing that you

498
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.759
<v Speaker 1>figure out when you tell people something you've seeing something weird,

499
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:35.880
<v Speaker 1>They're either going to be like, oh really and they're

500
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.799
<v Speaker 1>gonna go along with it, or they're going to look

501
00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:40.480
<v Speaker 1>at you and think you're crazy. There's really no well,

502
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>there's no other way of going about it.

503
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.160
<v Speaker 3>People that know me knows that knows me that they

504
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:48.039
<v Speaker 3>know me. I am not like a bullshitter like if

505
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:52.240
<v Speaker 3>I if I say it, something's got to be about it.

506
00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.640
<v Speaker 3>I really wasn't looked at like, oh my god, Amanda's

507
00:26:55.640 --> 00:26:58.279
<v Speaker 3>seen some weird shit again, or you know, she's just

508
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:00.400
<v Speaker 3>out of her gourd. I know, I actually never got that.

509
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:06.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay. People are very strange on how they react, so

510
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:07.839
<v Speaker 1>you never know what people.

511
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:15.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my supervisor at the time, she would always talk

512
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.039
<v Speaker 3>about like seeing some weird stuff, like actually on one

513
00:27:18.079 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 3>twenty four, not nine, but like one twenty four, and

514
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:26.000
<v Speaker 3>they were like, they seemed to be more paranormal stuff,

515
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, like black shadows, just like weird stuff like that.

516
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.200
<v Speaker 3>But when I went when I first started to go

517
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:37.960
<v Speaker 3>to the well, I guess I have to backtractice a

518
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.359
<v Speaker 3>little bit. When I went to the first two meeting

519
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:45.200
<v Speaker 3>for the UFO excuse me and alien existence before I

520
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:48.039
<v Speaker 3>became the head facilitator. I went to that first meeting

521
00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.480
<v Speaker 3>because I'm like, well, mate, because you know, in the

522
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:52.319
<v Speaker 3>back of my head it kind of like it kind

523
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.039
<v Speaker 3>of jarred that memory again after all these years, and

524
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, well, maybe somebody there knows. Maybe if I listen,

525
00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:01.200
<v Speaker 3>maybe they kind of know what maybe I saw, because

526
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.880
<v Speaker 3>like I said, I never correlated it to be anything

527
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.279
<v Speaker 3>paranormal or crypt or anything like that. You know, I

528
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 3>never made a correlation like that.

529
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.799
<v Speaker 1>Off topic. But you brought this up. How did Peru

530
00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:16.839
<v Speaker 1>become one of the hubs for the UFO meeting?

531
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:22.160
<v Speaker 3>Obviously I really don't know how they came about to

532
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.960
<v Speaker 3>come to Peru, believe it or not, other than the

533
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:31.920
<v Speaker 3>fact that they wanted to have different counties involved. Because

534
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:34.440
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot well for like Grissom and stuff like that.

535
00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:38.160
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's the same county. Yeah, so I would

536
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:41.279
<v Speaker 3>assume that that's why they decided on Peru.

537
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I started seeing posts about it back in

538
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the winter. Why is Peru listed on here? Just thought

539
00:28:51.880 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 1>it was strange, of all places, Peru. But Pru has

540
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of history to itself, especially when it come

541
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>UFOs because again Grissom the Air Force base. People have

542
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.039
<v Speaker 1>seen a lot of weird stuff. My grandmother has seen

543
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>stuff fifty sixty years ago out this way. I have

544
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>someone to send me a video back in June. It's

545
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:24.680
<v Speaker 1>in the same exact location as to where two separate

546
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:30.279
<v Speaker 1>people have told me about their encounters with like a

547
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:34.759
<v Speaker 1>were wolf type creature. And then I also figured out

548
00:29:34.799 --> 00:29:38.599
<v Speaker 1>that the same spots out of bigfoot sighting. So there's

549
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>a UFO, two dog man and a bigfoot all in

550
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:47.440
<v Speaker 1>the same location. Seems weird.

551
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.400
<v Speaker 3>That is very weird.

552
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:53.680
<v Speaker 1>So and I have the actual video of the thing

553
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>in the sky. This is back in June. I'm going

554
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.720
<v Speaker 1>to go talk to I know the person I used

555
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.079
<v Speaker 1>to be friends with him still talk to everyone in

556
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.839
<v Speaker 1>a while, but he sent it to me because he

557
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:05.759
<v Speaker 1>said he knew I looked into stuff like this and

558
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:07.799
<v Speaker 1>wanted to know what the hell is was was like,

559
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I have no idea what it is.

560
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:15.519
<v Speaker 1>Something weird in the sky that you literally caught on video.

561
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's why I was waiting for another UFO meeting

562
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:21.359
<v Speaker 1>to happen, and it never did.

563
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.359
<v Speaker 3>So, yeah, we kind of took a hiatus. There was

564
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 3>some personal things going on with the lead fort Wayne,

565
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.519
<v Speaker 3>so we decided to take a little hiatus and we'll

566
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.000
<v Speaker 3>start back up next year when things settled down.

567
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:38.519
<v Speaker 1>Hopefully, Oh, whenever it starts back up, hopefully I'll be

568
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.920
<v Speaker 1>able to present some more information because just a couple

569
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.400
<v Speaker 1>weeks back, there was also a mass sighting of UFOs.

570
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what I'm hearing now.

571
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:50.759
<v Speaker 1>So I've talked about this in the last couple episodes

572
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:55.759
<v Speaker 1>with people. But again, weird timing for everything. It's like,

573
00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:58.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if the world gives you signs to

574
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:00.799
<v Speaker 1>look into things or anything like that, but I keep

575
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>getting all these little weird things happening around here, and

576
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I keep turning up new stuff and then more people

577
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 1>reaching out locally. It's just like, all right, I think

578
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>it's time for me to actually get out of the

579
00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>barn and start looking into stuff the person. All the

580
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:19.359
<v Speaker 1>investigating I've done is been behind the screen, so time

581
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:21.400
<v Speaker 1>to get my feet dirty. Yeah.

582
00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 3>I feel the same way, because the more I look

583
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:26.799
<v Speaker 3>into the cryptid stuff, the more I like want to

584
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 3>go out and actually like you know, research it and

585
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:31.039
<v Speaker 3>like go out kind of like looking for it, I

586
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:34.680
<v Speaker 3>guess because I don't get me wrong, I love the

587
00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:36.799
<v Speaker 3>paranormal and stuff, but there's just a lot of different

588
00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:40.279
<v Speaker 3>things out there that kind of tickles the brain on

589
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:41.480
<v Speaker 3>what it may be.

590
00:31:41.440 --> 00:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Or when it comes to paranormal stuff, for me, I've

591
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>never been one. Like I used to watch the shows

592
00:31:49.440 --> 00:31:53.519
<v Speaker 1>and it became more of a I just got burnt

593
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:56.559
<v Speaker 1>out and I feel like a lot of us been

594
00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 1>over over at abundance but also so just like over

595
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:04.960
<v Speaker 1>dramaticized just for the sake of TV shows.

596
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:06.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

597
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.079
<v Speaker 1>And I went out some with people and I'm not

598
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>going to say who, because like, no, we all know them.

599
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>But I went out years ago. This is back in

600
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:19.000
<v Speaker 1>the mid two thousands with one of the local groups,

601
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>and everything that they were talking about was paranormal.

602
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.200
<v Speaker 3>See a lot of orbs too, huh.

603
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what they were talking. We went to

604
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:30.079
<v Speaker 1>okinok they had a lot of.

605
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:31.519
<v Speaker 3>Oh you definitely had orbs out there.

606
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:35.160
<v Speaker 1>We walked through Okpoki. They kept saying their meetings were

607
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.920
<v Speaker 1>going on and off. I'm like, well, that's not necessarily

608
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:44.000
<v Speaker 1>saying that's paranormal rush. And then we went into which

609
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>again this ties back into some of the things I've

610
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>looked into, the Circus Hall of Fame. We went to

611
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.599
<v Speaker 1>that building. Well, that building was built in about the

612
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundreds.

613
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.759
<v Speaker 3>I forget exactly when.

614
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:57.359
<v Speaker 1>But it's an old it's very old. A little building

615
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>meets were jumping like crazes. Well, this building has really

616
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.920
<v Speaker 1>shitty wiring, so you're going to get a lot of

617
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic stuff just from the wiring. Well, there's no power on.

618
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.039
<v Speaker 1>It's like the wires still have power run toombs. Because

619
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>your switches are around doesn't mean electricity is not.

620
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:15.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so.

621
00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 1>I understand how things work, and I feel like a

622
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:23.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of people don't. Just because the switches and on

623
00:33:23.039 --> 00:33:26.079
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean they're still not current, right, So you're still

624
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.759
<v Speaker 1>going to pick up those weird emf builds. So that's

625
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:32.119
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to paranormal. For me. It's like, I

626
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:33.799
<v Speaker 1>don't even go out looking for paranormal be cause I

627
00:33:33.799 --> 00:33:35.519
<v Speaker 1>get weird stuff happening here all the time. I don't

628
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.960
<v Speaker 1>have to go anywhere. Like the house we lived in

629
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.359
<v Speaker 1>in Converse was built in the eighteen hundreds. We never

630
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:44.200
<v Speaker 1>had any issues. We moved to a newer house and

631
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.440
<v Speaker 1>now get toys driving across the ground by.

632
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:49.559
<v Speaker 3>Themselves, So must be the land. But it's kind of

633
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:53.240
<v Speaker 3>funny you mentioning the Service Hall of Fame because my

634
00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.480
<v Speaker 3>first I'll say, I'll say ghost hunt this time, because

635
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:00.720
<v Speaker 3>that's what I was tending to do before I became

636
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:03.319
<v Speaker 3>an actual like investigator and actually wanted to like research

637
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:08.360
<v Speaker 3>and do that stuff. This has been like before I started,

638
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:11.239
<v Speaker 3>so it's been at least eight years ago. That was

639
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 3>my first real, real like ghost hunt of like real

640
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:21.880
<v Speaker 3>people and you know, professionals. I actually had an experience

641
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.679
<v Speaker 3>where we were we were standing in like a circle

642
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.119
<v Speaker 3>and trying to like determine how we were going to

643
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.599
<v Speaker 3>like separate groups and stuff, you know, to like go

644
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.679
<v Speaker 3>into the different areas and stuff. And we're standing there

645
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.639
<v Speaker 3>and the next thing I know, I see this black

646
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:44.119
<v Speaker 3>shadow figure go from left to right down like down

647
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.519
<v Speaker 3>the way from like this. It was some kind of

648
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:50.960
<v Speaker 3>statue or something that it came from, went from left

649
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:53.880
<v Speaker 3>to right, and I'm like, you know, mouth dropped. I'm like, right,

650
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:56.679
<v Speaker 3>did I really just see that? And then the next

651
00:34:56.679 --> 00:35:01.599
<v Speaker 3>thing I know, I have my head, my forehead three

652
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:06.760
<v Speaker 3>pokes and I'm like, looking around, I'm like, and that

653
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:08.440
<v Speaker 3>that was very distinct, you know, I mean, you can

654
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:11.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, I'm just standing there. We're all just talking,

655
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, and trying to figure out how we're going

656
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:16.599
<v Speaker 3>to do the groups, and I'm already having like these

657
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:19.920
<v Speaker 3>weird experiences. I'm like, and I get three pokes on

658
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 3>my forehead and I'm looking around. I'm thinking, Okay, did

659
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:27.880
<v Speaker 3>something fall from the ceiling? You know, nobody else is

660
00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:30.719
<v Speaker 3>seeing anything, nobody else is doing anything. I'm like, what

661
00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:34.320
<v Speaker 3>the hell was that? So apparently it was it was

662
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.800
<v Speaker 3>my turn, I guess to get to get some kind

663
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 3>of interaction to kind of verify that, you know, yeah,

664
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:43.000
<v Speaker 3>there's something going on there. But I haven't been able to,

665
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:44.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, figure that one out either.

666
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:49.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, have you ever done any research on the circus.

667
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 3>The only thing that I recall is they had a

668
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:56.719
<v Speaker 3>flood and a lot of the animals didn't make it

669
00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:58.280
<v Speaker 3>from the flood.

670
00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Does anyone ever question why they chose this area for

671
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the circus that I don't know. There's a lot of

672
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:13.840
<v Speaker 1>weird stuff about this land in general, and the spot

673
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:17.159
<v Speaker 1>that they chose isn't too far from one of the

674
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:22.039
<v Speaker 1>weirdest spots in this general area, which is Okepinoke. So

675
00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.039
<v Speaker 1>where the circus Hall of Fame is. If you follow

676
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:26.760
<v Speaker 1>that little river, yeah, it goes right to Okepinoke, Yeah

677
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:30.800
<v Speaker 1>it does. They used to have a camp site along

678
00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:34.480
<v Speaker 1>the miss Sinhwal River. I don't know the exact location

679
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.840
<v Speaker 1>from the eighteen hundreds of where this was, but back

680
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 1>in the eighteen hundred when they decided to make the

681
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:41.679
<v Speaker 1>circus whatever his name was, Wallace or whatever that came

682
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:43.800
<v Speaker 1>in and decided to do the circus, they had all

683
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 1>the stuff set up as a camp out along the

684
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:55.719
<v Speaker 1>miss Sinowa River. Circus thinks to me, without going straight

685
00:36:55.800 --> 00:37:01.079
<v Speaker 1>up wlu, I feel like it is very They bring

686
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:05.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different emotions. They bring in kids, they

687
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 1>bring in, excitement, they bring in back in those days,

688
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:14.920
<v Speaker 1>things used to travel around the circus, used to do things,

689
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:21.159
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of the stuff they brought in weird oddities. Yeah,

690
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.320
<v Speaker 1>why of all places in the world. Did they make

691
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.320
<v Speaker 1>this circus capital of the world, Like Little Peru, Indiana.

692
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:34.519
<v Speaker 1>The same location to where a lot of people report

693
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.239
<v Speaker 1>having weird paranormal instances or run ins with weird cryptids

694
00:37:38.320 --> 00:37:42.199
<v Speaker 1>or seeing UFOs is in the same general area where

695
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>the circus thing was in the eighteen hundreds. I don't

696
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:50.199
<v Speaker 1>know if there's a connection with that or not.

697
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:53.480
<v Speaker 3>Could be just one of those synchronicities, like anything else,

698
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:54.119
<v Speaker 3>you never know.

699
00:37:54.719 --> 00:38:00.480
<v Speaker 1>But why is everything somehow connected with the Miscinola River?

700
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:06.079
<v Speaker 1>Like the circus is there, cryptid sightings are there? The

701
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>UFO lying over is there? Ohkaiven ok is right there,

702
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.639
<v Speaker 1>which I've never had anything weird happen out there. I

703
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 1>know a lot of people I've talked to claims with, Oh,

704
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.039
<v Speaker 1>you got to go to it's the most haunted place.

705
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 1>It's the most creepiest place. I was, like, I've walked

706
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>through the woods. I never found the hidden thing that's

707
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>supposedly out there.

708
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.639
<v Speaker 3>Like we found that on accident.

709
00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 1>So you actually have found it. Yes, someone says it's

710
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:30.679
<v Speaker 1>not there. I claim it's a lie.

711
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:32.920
<v Speaker 3>That's not a lie. Okay, I have pictures.

712
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I promise that, Okay, I would like to see it sometime.

713
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I like to go there myself because we searched for

714
00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:40.400
<v Speaker 1>it when I was in high school. We're just out

715
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:42.199
<v Speaker 1>of high school, and we never found We were out

716
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:44.440
<v Speaker 1>there for hours and never found it.

717
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Also there is a uh and I forget where exactly.

718
00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:51.800
<v Speaker 3>I have pictures of it too, but there's like before

719
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:55.280
<v Speaker 3>you actually get into like the actual roundabout at ok

720
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.480
<v Speaker 3>there is a foundation. It'd be on the left hand side.

721
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>I seen the foundation. I'm pretty sure it's been so

722
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:06.760
<v Speaker 1>long as I've actually been back there, it's been twenty

723
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:09.079
<v Speaker 1>some years. We camped out there. The last time I

724
00:39:09.119 --> 00:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>camped out there was over twenty years ago because nothing

725
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:15.159
<v Speaker 1>ever happened. So for me, I was like, I don't

726
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:17.239
<v Speaker 1>see why everyone talks about this, because even my mom

727
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.199
<v Speaker 1>knew about it because she grew up here, so for her,

728
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:22.599
<v Speaker 1>everyone said, oh the crazy stuff it oh giving Okay.

729
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Same thing with Hookman Cemetery. Everyone said that place was

730
00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:27.119
<v Speaker 1>creepy and I used to go up there all the time.

731
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:29.000
<v Speaker 1>We never had nothing. If you actually walk through the woods,

732
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 1>you go further, you'd find hidden graves that weren't in

733
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:34.599
<v Speaker 1>the cemetery. That was weird for me because we weren't

734
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:36.119
<v Speaker 1>expecting to find graves in the woods.

735
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, unmarked edstones, so that I never saw. But I

736
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:42.639
<v Speaker 3>love our cemetery. It's like my favorites.

737
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Now it's kind of off limits because the RV places there,

738
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.440
<v Speaker 1>which I thought was strange. They don't get back. Is

739
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.159
<v Speaker 1>their access to get up there now or does it

740
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:53.239
<v Speaker 1>you have to trespassor the.

741
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 3>Other used to be. I don't know if they've put

742
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:56.519
<v Speaker 3>up signs yet.

743
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.119
<v Speaker 1>I stopped doing my ghost hunting stuff twenty years ago.

744
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.119
<v Speaker 1>It's funny that I used to do this stuff before

745
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>it was ever on TV, Like me and my friends

746
00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 1>were doing it in school back in the early two thousands.

747
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:10.519
<v Speaker 1>And then I started watching Ghost Unders. I think that

748
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:12.599
<v Speaker 1>was like the first one that ever really came on TV.

749
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, like the Transsetters of the So I was.

750
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Like, ooh, taps. I really liked that show. Then everyone

751
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:21.760
<v Speaker 1>else started doing it and it just got oversaturated with

752
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>everyone around here was doing I was just like, what

753
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.119
<v Speaker 1>is some of the weird things that you've actually experienced

754
00:40:29.159 --> 00:40:33.920
<v Speaker 1>while doing investigations?

755
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:36.599
<v Speaker 3>Well, there's so many.

756
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:38.880
<v Speaker 1>What stands out the most?

757
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:44.519
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we were at a location down in Mitchell, Indiana,

758
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:51.559
<v Speaker 3>and we're that kind of team that we, at least

759
00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.039
<v Speaker 3>for me, I like to kind of know what to

760
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:59.280
<v Speaker 3>try to debunk. And so we went to this place

761
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:04.719
<v Speaker 3>and Mental, Indiana, and there was stories about you know,

762
00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:08.400
<v Speaker 3>this door opening like several times and stuff like that

763
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.880
<v Speaker 3>in one of the one of the bedrooms, and believe

764
00:41:12.920 --> 00:41:18.039
<v Speaker 3>it or not, that did happen for us. It opened

765
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:20.360
<v Speaker 3>on its own. I caught it on video four times

766
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.320
<v Speaker 3>and we're pretty sure that it actually happened five. I

767
00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.079
<v Speaker 3>even put a camera on the inside of it. It

768
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:28.119
<v Speaker 3>was like it was like a closet as it was,

769
00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:31.880
<v Speaker 3>and I there was no like other access. I don't

770
00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:34.000
<v Speaker 3>remember there being any windows or anything like that. So

771
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:37.599
<v Speaker 3>there was no logical explanation as to why that door

772
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:39.960
<v Speaker 3>should be opening, because you could actually hear it like click,

773
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:45.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, it was like an old and it was

774
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:48.519
<v Speaker 3>just it was just crazy. And I was the one

775
00:41:48.559 --> 00:41:51.840
<v Speaker 3>that was like, it's not logical. It's not logical. My

776
00:41:51.880 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 3>friends are like, my team is like, this is the

777
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:58.320
<v Speaker 3>paranormal man, God's paragorgal. This is what we do. I'm like,

778
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:03.760
<v Speaker 3>but that's not logical. We oh man, it was. It

779
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:09.000
<v Speaker 3>was wild and it would actually do things or sounds

780
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:12.480
<v Speaker 3>kind of strange, but the spirit or whatever was going

781
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 3>on would actually do as requested, Like we put a

782
00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:19.239
<v Speaker 3>penny on the door like the doorknob, and I also

783
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:23.480
<v Speaker 3>had like a a string of bells and we would

784
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:28.000
<v Speaker 3>ask it to open the door and drop the penny,

785
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:32.480
<v Speaker 3>or open the door and leave the penny on the handle,

786
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:35.559
<v Speaker 3>and it would do it every time. So whatever was

787
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 3>going on was intelligent. So therefore, when my teammate and

788
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:45.599
<v Speaker 3>I was trying to put myself at ease, you know,

789
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:50.519
<v Speaker 3>like that's not logical, we found no trickery in the doorframe.

790
00:42:50.599 --> 00:42:55.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know how somebody could maneuver, you know,

791
00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:57.440
<v Speaker 3>an instance like that to where they could you know,

792
00:42:57.519 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 3>fake that.

793
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Right, And it's hard to do, especially again when there's

794
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>more people watching too.

795
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was very unusual. I was. I was really

796
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:10.840
<v Speaker 3>excited and very like every emotion you can imagine I

797
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.679
<v Speaker 3>was feeling that night watching this. I actually had to

798
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.480
<v Speaker 3>like go outside like get calmed down because I was like,

799
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:20.760
<v Speaker 3>this is insane, that's not even logical. Everybody else like.

800
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, have you ever seen any like full body apparitions?

801
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Yes? And when I when I talk about full body apparitions,

802
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 3>to me, that's not including shadow figures. To me, that's

803
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:34.400
<v Speaker 3>a separate entity.

804
00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:36.760
<v Speaker 1>They are, at least I think so.

805
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:45.599
<v Speaker 3>I have seen at least two actual full bodied apparitions,

806
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.000
<v Speaker 3>both in two different locations. I have seen a lot

807
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:53.320
<v Speaker 3>of and this is just from even at my own

808
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 3>home animals, spirits of animals, even my own pets.

809
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 1>Hmm. I haven't talked to anyone that's talked about that.

810
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:07.719
<v Speaker 1>So I've heard about it, but no one has ever

811
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:14.440
<v Speaker 1>mentioned anything about animal energies. And I think it's because

812
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:18.559
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people don't associate spirits with animals, because

813
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people think spirits are energies for like

814
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:24.239
<v Speaker 1>your soul. Yeah, so for being haunted by an animal

815
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:28.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of means well they must add one too, and

816
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.039
<v Speaker 1>that kind of goes against different type of ideologies. So

817
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:36.320
<v Speaker 1>I think we're all Any living being has some sort

818
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:41.159
<v Speaker 1>of energy. I'm not saying soul, I'm not saying a consciousness,

819
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm not saying whatever. But like, I think we're all something.

820
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:45.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

821
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:51.639
<v Speaker 1>But as far as he said the animals were your.

822
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:57.199
<v Speaker 3>Own house, yeah, I had a Formese mountain dog that

823
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:02.000
<v Speaker 3>have passed away, and h it started out I'd only

824
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 3>see him twice. It started out where I would feel

825
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.800
<v Speaker 3>him like lean up against me and stuff like that.

826
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Of course, you know, my husband doesn't believe in any

827
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.360
<v Speaker 3>of this stuff. You know, He's like, oh, you're crazy

828
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:20.039
<v Speaker 3>this and not, you know, weak minds, blah blah blah whatever.

829
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:24.159
<v Speaker 3>And I would feel the nook like lean up against

830
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:27.320
<v Speaker 3>me because I would kind of like shift, you know,

831
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:29.119
<v Speaker 3>like how he would always like lean up against me.

832
00:45:29.119 --> 00:45:32.840
<v Speaker 3>He was a big dog. And then the first time

833
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:37.880
<v Speaker 3>I seen him, uh, it was actually on Thanksgiving. I

834
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:41.119
<v Speaker 3>was in the dining room and I happened to look

835
00:45:41.119 --> 00:45:44.920
<v Speaker 3>out towards the barn going through in the dining room

836
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:49.719
<v Speaker 3>and I seen him out there. And the thing was

837
00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:56.840
<v Speaker 3>is he wasn't he wasn't solid. He was kind of,

838
00:45:56.880 --> 00:46:00.480
<v Speaker 3>I would say, kind of see through like a transparency. Yeah, yeah,

839
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:04.679
<v Speaker 3>but I know what I saw, right, And of course,

840
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, I run out, you know, like it's not there,

841
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.280
<v Speaker 3>and it's not there, and it was only for you know,

842
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:13.719
<v Speaker 3>a few seconds, but I know what I saw. And

843
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.719
<v Speaker 3>my other dog would actually like and this is before

844
00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:21.199
<v Speaker 3>I actually seen him, you would see her out there

845
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.159
<v Speaker 3>playing like she was still playing with me.

846
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.199
<v Speaker 1>What would you do? I haven't asked this before. I

847
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.119
<v Speaker 1>just it just dawn on me. Like you said, you

848
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:36.400
<v Speaker 1>ran out there, and I've ran after things that I've

849
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.199
<v Speaker 1>seen too. What are you going to do when you

850
00:46:39.199 --> 00:46:40.480
<v Speaker 1>get out there if it's still there?

851
00:46:42.320 --> 00:46:43.519
<v Speaker 3>Depends on what it is.

852
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Because I'd never gotten that far either. Like when I've

853
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.679
<v Speaker 1>chased after the shadow in the hallway this past winter,

854
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:54.920
<v Speaker 1>it ran to my daughter's room, so I ran in

855
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:56.760
<v Speaker 1>there too. I don't know what I was going to

856
00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:01.800
<v Speaker 1>do afterwards, beside ninjakiket or something. Yeah, Like no one

857
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:03.840
<v Speaker 1>ever gets that far, Like, oh, if I see a bigfoot,

858
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:05.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm going after it. What do you do when you

859
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:06.000
<v Speaker 1>get to it?

860
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.440
<v Speaker 3>I I honestly don't know. I haven't got that far yet.

861
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:10.079
<v Speaker 3>I would say, if I think it was something it's

862
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:15.079
<v Speaker 3>all like a bigfoot, I better have something on me.

863
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:17.440
<v Speaker 1>If it's just gonna make it mad.

864
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm gonna have something on me to, like a

865
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:24.559
<v Speaker 3>bullhorn or something. Right, maybe scared it off.

866
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Like when it comes to paranormal stuff,

867
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:30.840
<v Speaker 1>paranormal stuff for me doesn't make me a free It

868
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:36.239
<v Speaker 1>never has, and I don't know if it's because maybe

869
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm just not one hundred percent on board with the

870
00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:43.159
<v Speaker 1>like the weird stuff of it. I don't. I don't

871
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:45.519
<v Speaker 1>try and kick rocks to make things come back with me.

872
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:47.880
<v Speaker 1>It's why I personally don't go out and look for

873
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 1>stuff because I don't want to bring it home. I

874
00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:52.559
<v Speaker 1>already have enough here. But at the same time, it's like,

875
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:56.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not afraid to go If someone says I can't

876
00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 1>go in the house, man, it's just it's it's awful.

877
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I actually want to go in there because they're afraid

878
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:03.920
<v Speaker 1>of it. I want to see what's so afraid about

879
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.440
<v Speaker 1>this place? But then I'm like, then that's what makes

880
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:11.239
<v Speaker 1>me nervous, is well, if they're so afraid of it,

881
00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.679
<v Speaker 1>what if there really is something in there? And then

882
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>what if I decide that wants to follow me back?

883
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:18.519
<v Speaker 1>Because I'm an asshole and I've been instigated it and

884
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:24.039
<v Speaker 1>tormented it. And I was told this at the Crawfordsville

885
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:32.119
<v Speaker 1>thing I spoke at recently. I need to stop doing

886
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:36.280
<v Speaker 1>what I'm doing because I'm making things mad and I'm

887
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:37.199
<v Speaker 1>tormenting things.

888
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 3>Is that what you're doing?

889
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:45.119
<v Speaker 1>Apparently haven't we all? So I need to be more

890
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.039
<v Speaker 1>uh conscious of what I do because the things that

891
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I say and the things that I do and the

892
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:54.599
<v Speaker 1>things I look into is making things angry, and that's

893
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:58.079
<v Speaker 1>why I get the activity that I get, because I'm

894
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:01.199
<v Speaker 1>opening up myself to other things to come in. I'm

895
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:02.199
<v Speaker 1>inviting everything.

896
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:05.480
<v Speaker 3>I think there's some truth to that. But as far

897
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:09.159
<v Speaker 3>as like making something mad, why the hell would it

898
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:10.800
<v Speaker 3>matter to whatever that is.

899
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:14.679
<v Speaker 1>I think someone told me this before, and I agree

900
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:16.800
<v Speaker 1>with it. When you start looking into things, things start

901
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:17.400
<v Speaker 1>looking back.

902
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:17.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

903
00:49:18.360 --> 00:49:20.280
<v Speaker 1>At first, two years ago, when the person said it

904
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.280
<v Speaker 1>to me, I thought they were freaking crazy because it

905
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:24.920
<v Speaker 1>makes no sense. But now that I've been doing this,

906
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:27.760
<v Speaker 1>I honestly believe that there is some truth to that.

907
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Like when you start noticing things, things will start noticing

908
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:30.760
<v Speaker 1>you more.

909
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:31.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I'm sure.

910
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:36.480
<v Speaker 1>So when you talk with people that have had experiences,

911
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:41.480
<v Speaker 1>usually someone will have a paranormal experience. You ask them,

912
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.320
<v Speaker 1>have you ever seen a UFO? Nine times out of

913
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:48.400
<v Speaker 1>ten they've seen a UFO, someone's seen a bigfoot, most

914
00:49:48.440 --> 00:49:53.800
<v Speaker 1>likely they've seen orbs. Again, there's all It's almost like everything, somehow,

915
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:56.280
<v Speaker 1>one way or another, is connected in one form or another.

916
00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to explain it other than the

917
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:01.039
<v Speaker 1>fact that there's all some sort of interconnection intertwinedness to

918
00:50:01.599 --> 00:50:04.599
<v Speaker 1>allow of the weird phenomena that goes on. It all

919
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:08.119
<v Speaker 1>seems very simulated to me, which I'm not saying we

920
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:12.039
<v Speaker 1>live in the matrix, but sometimes it seems that way.

921
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:16.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, I haven't checked off that UFO box yet, I think, So.

922
00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.679
<v Speaker 1>Keep your eyes of the sky. There's a lot of

923
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:24.159
<v Speaker 1>weird stuff. Go out to uh or the Walbash River

924
00:50:24.239 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 1>in the Missisinamall meat you might see something that might.

925
00:50:28.159 --> 00:50:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Not be a beat a triangle there.

926
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:34.840
<v Speaker 1>It might not be it's funny, you say, trying because

927
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:39.360
<v Speaker 1>actually as a triangle, which is weird. When you go

928
00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:42.320
<v Speaker 1>out there, maybe you'll see uh, you're cryptied, you'll see

929
00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.360
<v Speaker 1>your UFO and maybe ghost.

930
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:49.280
<v Speaker 3>Clowns that would probably actually scare me. The clowns sounds

931
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.280
<v Speaker 3>are kind of creepy. I'm not actually scared of them,

932
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:53.679
<v Speaker 3>but they're just creepy.

933
00:50:53.960 --> 00:50:56.320
<v Speaker 1>There is some weird stuff about clowns that I will

934
00:50:56.360 --> 00:51:00.360
<v Speaker 1>not dive into right now on air because again I

935
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:01.840
<v Speaker 1>don't want to talk about a lot of stuff because

936
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:03.719
<v Speaker 1>eventually I hope it makes it into this thing I'm

937
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:07.039
<v Speaker 1>working on. Okay, so you have to go watch my video,

938
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:10.239
<v Speaker 1>the documentary that I'm working on for that, but eventually

939
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:13.400
<v Speaker 1>there was some weird stuff that ties in with clowns.

940
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 1>But well, it's been going on for about an hour.

941
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything else you want to talk about?

942
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:23.159
<v Speaker 3>Unless you want to hear some more stuff, I mean

943
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:24.679
<v Speaker 3>before we can do another time.

944
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Whatever you want to talk about, I am good. I

945
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:30.000
<v Speaker 1>have a couple hours here today. So if there's anything

946
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:31.639
<v Speaker 1>that stands out I want to talk about.

947
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Well I could go back to the pets if you want.

948
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:35.360
<v Speaker 1>That's fine.

949
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:39.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay. So, like I said before, I saw in the

950
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:46.800
<v Speaker 3>nook that Thanksgiving went out there and he wasn't there,

951
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:51.880
<v Speaker 3>And the next time I actually saw him and he

952
00:51:52.079 --> 00:52:00.599
<v Speaker 3>was actually more trance, more visual. The next time was

953
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:03.400
<v Speaker 3>the day that I brought home a new dog from

954
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 3>the pound, and that was the last day I've seen him.

955
00:52:08.519 --> 00:52:12.000
<v Speaker 3>When we go into when we go into some locations

956
00:52:12.039 --> 00:52:15.320
<v Speaker 3>to like where they may have had an animal there,

957
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:19.280
<v Speaker 3>mostly it's cat. I'm kind of a cat person. I

958
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:22.480
<v Speaker 3>normally pick pick the cats out, like or they picked

959
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:24.320
<v Speaker 3>me out, unless they'll have him like rub against my

960
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:29.119
<v Speaker 3>leg or something. But my cat Midnight that passed away.

961
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:33.119
<v Speaker 3>He actually passed away in my arms, which was very sad.

962
00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:37.559
<v Speaker 3>And you know, wonderful all at the same same token.

963
00:52:38.920 --> 00:52:42.599
<v Speaker 3>He was a really old, really old fella, but he

964
00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.119
<v Speaker 3>actually would I would actually see him still in the

965
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.599
<v Speaker 3>house doing his own like routine. Now I don't I

966
00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.719
<v Speaker 3>don't know if it was just like his his regular routine,

967
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.679
<v Speaker 3>or because I never actually he never actually interacted. He

968
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:58.760
<v Speaker 3>was just there, just like Nanook did, at least with me.

969
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.559
<v Speaker 3>I just seen him, I said, my other dog. She

970
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:03.000
<v Speaker 3>seemed to play with them.

971
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that the animals since the other animal,

972
00:53:11.400 --> 00:53:13.199
<v Speaker 1>they said, us playing with it, Like, do you believe

973
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:15.280
<v Speaker 1>that they can still see them?

974
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:15.960
<v Speaker 3>I think so.

975
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.719
<v Speaker 1>They claim pets can see like things that we can't.

976
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:20.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think so.

977
00:53:20.840 --> 00:53:22.119
<v Speaker 1>I think kids are that way too.

978
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:23.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree.

979
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:27.840
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, are they able to interact with the

980
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.119
<v Speaker 1>things that as adults our mind gets shut off to.

981
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Why does our mind get turned off from that? Who knows?

982
00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:36.599
<v Speaker 1>But it's like too.

983
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Much adult stuff. I guess something, too much stress and

984
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:42.360
<v Speaker 3>don't have time for it.

985
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:48.320
<v Speaker 1>It is weird that as kids, kids have that vivid imaginations,

986
00:53:48.400 --> 00:53:52.480
<v Speaker 1>or so they say, except the things that kids see

987
00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:56.480
<v Speaker 1>and do. What if it's not an imagination? What if

988
00:53:56.519 --> 00:54:01.239
<v Speaker 1>it's true? It's creepy to think given that aspect of like,

989
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:05.920
<v Speaker 1>how many times has kids had imaginary friends? How many

990
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:08.239
<v Speaker 1>times does kids say they see monsters in the closet?

991
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:11.679
<v Speaker 1>How many times kids are fraid? And what if it's

992
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:14.079
<v Speaker 1>not really their imagination, but they're actually seeing the things

993
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that we can't see. What if things that are around

994
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:17.280
<v Speaker 1>us all the time and we're just not able to

995
00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:17.639
<v Speaker 1>see it.

996
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:21.320
<v Speaker 3>I do believe that. In fact, my my son when

997
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:28.360
<v Speaker 3>he was little, had somebody he would play with. M h.

998
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.280
<v Speaker 3>The first time I recall it it happening, he was

999
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:36.800
<v Speaker 3>he was a little confused. I went to get him

1000
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:39.079
<v Speaker 3>some some milk out of the refrigerator or something like that,

1001
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:42.039
<v Speaker 3>and we're standing there in the kitchen. I mean, you know,

1002
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:44.239
<v Speaker 3>I got the refrigerator door open, and he does that

1003
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:46.320
<v Speaker 3>little that little kid tug on the back of me,

1004
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.840
<v Speaker 3>and I went around like, well, baby, he points up

1005
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:51.440
<v Speaker 3>to the to the corner of the kitchen. He says,

1006
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:54.559
<v Speaker 3>why is that boy flying? Of course, every hair on

1007
00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:56.960
<v Speaker 3>the back of my neck stands up, you know, because

1008
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:03.679
<v Speaker 3>I've had experiences in that house. I've never actually seen

1009
00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:05.800
<v Speaker 3>anything in the house, but I'd always been touched or

1010
00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:09.559
<v Speaker 3>had a hand on me here, but nothing like childlike

1011
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:13.119
<v Speaker 3>that I had seen childlike, So it wasn't until I

1012
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:17.559
<v Speaker 3>had my son that he was seeing a little boy.

1013
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Did he say what it looked like?

1014
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.639
<v Speaker 3>He was little. I don't recall even asking, Y.

1015
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Learn from my mistakes, don't ask well, see later on.

1016
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.480
<v Speaker 3>And I had seen like a man in the house before,

1017
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:36.960
<v Speaker 3>like a black shadow figure of a man. He was

1018
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:41.039
<v Speaker 3>my first hat man that I recall seeing. When my

1019
00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.039
<v Speaker 3>son got a little bit older, he told me that

1020
00:55:43.079 --> 00:55:46.800
<v Speaker 3>there was actually a family there, and not just a

1021
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:51.519
<v Speaker 3>little boy and a man. So there was a family

1022
00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:54.039
<v Speaker 3>of three. There was also a woman there, which was

1023
00:55:54.079 --> 00:55:57.760
<v Speaker 3>kind of strange too, because I used to hear voices

1024
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:03.760
<v Speaker 3>a man woman's voice in the house as well, but

1025
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:05.880
<v Speaker 3>it was only a wreck in the in the winter time,

1026
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:07.480
<v Speaker 3>is when I would actually hear those and you couldn't

1027
00:56:07.519 --> 00:56:08.440
<v Speaker 3>understand what they were saying.

1028
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:15.840
<v Speaker 1>That's wants I've often wondered. When you hear things talking

1029
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:22.960
<v Speaker 1>to you, they always speak, but we like if we're English,

1030
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:27.920
<v Speaker 1>we understand there's certain things and doesn't know how to

1031
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.920
<v Speaker 1>communicate the other people in a different language. I would

1032
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:36.519
<v Speaker 1>hope so, because let's just say, if you go to Spain,

1033
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:41.800
<v Speaker 1>the spirits there speak Spanish. But we go in there

1034
00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:44.000
<v Speaker 1>and we're American and we speak English. Are we going

1035
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:47.119
<v Speaker 1>to hear EVPs of things speaking in Spanish? Are they

1036
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:49.000
<v Speaker 1>going to speak in English?

1037
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:49.519
<v Speaker 6>Well?

1038
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:54.599
<v Speaker 3>I know when we had gone to the Crown Point

1039
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:58.960
<v Speaker 3>in jail, we did some Spanish speak, you know, the

1040
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:03.480
<v Speaker 3>best of what we could, because there was a lady

1041
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:05.800
<v Speaker 3>there that was supposed to be there that had spoke Spanish,

1042
00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:12.480
<v Speaker 3>and we actually got interaction from doing that. So I

1043
00:57:12.559 --> 00:57:15.480
<v Speaker 3>in a nutshell. I I can't really say one way

1044
00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:17.599
<v Speaker 3>or the other, but I would I would hope that

1045
00:57:17.599 --> 00:57:20.760
<v Speaker 3>we would have a universal language, but I don't think

1046
00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:24.239
<v Speaker 3>that's necessarily so depending on maybe the situation or the

1047
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:26.119
<v Speaker 3>location they were.

1048
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:31.679
<v Speaker 1>For me, it's weird. I don't know. I don't know

1049
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:36.159
<v Speaker 1>if a spirit, if it's still wandering around and it's

1050
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.599
<v Speaker 1>trying to communicate and it can communicate or whatever, why

1051
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.239
<v Speaker 1>is it still here? Like why if there is an

1052
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:45.400
<v Speaker 1>afterlife per se? Like, how come it is still wandering around?

1053
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:47.440
<v Speaker 1>How come some things can interact with people some other

1054
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<v Speaker 1>ones don't. Where does that line get crossed?

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<v Speaker 3>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Did they not go into the light? Do they wander around?

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<v Speaker 1>Do they not get sent to If you're believing Christian

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<v Speaker 1>or to go to Hell or whatever, like where do

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<v Speaker 1>they come from? And that's where I'm always wondering, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily know if ghosts are actually the spirits

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<v Speaker 1>of people per se in the sense of that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there might be something else to it, but I

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the more I investigate, the more I think that

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<v Speaker 3>as well. I used to think, you know, that they

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<v Speaker 3>were just you know, maybe trapped here or something or

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<v Speaker 3>had like unfinished business. But I got to the point

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<v Speaker 3>like where you know, especially like you know, going back

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<v Speaker 3>to the animals and stuff, like they were just hanging around.

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<v Speaker 3>I think just to make sure you're okay, they were gone.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that might have something to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Me being a not so much of a conspiracy theorist,

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<v Speaker 1>but like that's the way I'm just say negative, Nancy.

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<v Speaker 1>I always look at things like in more of a

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<v Speaker 1>nefarious type of way. What if things are here because

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00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:57.280
<v Speaker 1>they know you're more emotional about it, and they're here

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00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:04.440
<v Speaker 1>feeding off that emotion, So it's going to manifest itself

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<v Speaker 1>into something that's going to trigger an emotional response.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I actually talk to a guy that is totally

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<v Speaker 3>against what I do before nice to work with me,

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<v Speaker 3>And he would basically be like, well, that's just the devil.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just the devil trying to get you and have

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<v Speaker 3>you do these things.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not even saying like everyone goes that round.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even saying devil, but I'm just saying, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what if there are things out there that feed on

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<v Speaker 1>like the emotions of people.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I like they feed all that energy and when

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<v Speaker 5>someone's distraught emotional like a death, or that's when your

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<v Speaker 5>most susceptible, your emotions are really high.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, why wouldn't something if these things are real, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, why wouldn't something be around Matt because they

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<v Speaker 1>can sense it and then it needs that energy, so

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01:00:03.400 --> 01:00:07.639
<v Speaker 1>it feeds off that energy. They claim I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was succubist that feeds off the life force of people,

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<v Speaker 1>Like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Was an old Yeah, sucubis and incubus. It's just a

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<v Speaker 3>male and.

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<v Speaker 1>Female, but they suck the life force out of people

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<v Speaker 1>when you're sleeping, hat man, Is that a modernized version

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<v Speaker 1>of a succubist or an incubus Because a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people have that experience. They have sleep paralysis and they

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they can't move like it's someone's draining them.

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<v Speaker 1>They're being drained.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, that I can't that I can't answer for sure

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<v Speaker 3>because the one time that I saw one, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>I assumed it was the man in the house because

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<v Speaker 3>he had like at the door on, so to me,

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01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:49.960
<v Speaker 3>that was the hat man. I I was nervous about

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<v Speaker 3>seeing it, but I wasn't scared. I didn't feel like

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<v Speaker 3>negativity or anything like that, so that I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>You still have weird stuff going on in your house

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<v Speaker 1>every now then? Your husband still the little even.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he's actually like some of the things that's happened

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<v Speaker 3>in our house even like I said, when we lived

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<v Speaker 3>in when we lived in Amboy, for instance, Uh, I

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<v Speaker 3>I had how was it he had actually uh was

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<v Speaker 3>looking for our son in the house because he thought

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<v Speaker 3>he had heard him come in the door and everything

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<v Speaker 3>we have like like where you hear the doors open shut,

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<v Speaker 3>footsteps in the uh in the kitchen that nothing was found.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's just right off like oh I could, And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, well, yeah, okay, I don't know why you're

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<v Speaker 3>telling me because you don't believing this stuff, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard for a skeptical person. I'm very skeptical myself,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's hard for me to jump right into stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm when I mentioned paranormal stuff before. I

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<v Speaker 1>always look for that rational explanation. I still look for

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<v Speaker 1>rational explanations. Sometimes a rational explanation is worse than what

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<v Speaker 1>accepting would be, but that is the route that I

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<v Speaker 1>will go to, just because this has to be something

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<v Speaker 1>that can be explained, Like for some reason, that's just

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<v Speaker 1>how I'm wired. I have to explain it. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you can't explain it, then I'm like, well then maybe

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<v Speaker 1>there's more to it. I don't like saying things paranormal.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I say otherworldly because I think that's more of

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<v Speaker 1>an appropriate term. What I think doesn't really matter. Just

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<v Speaker 1>that works for me. But like, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>someone can one hundred percent rule out the possibility of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know so many people that are that way.

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<v Speaker 1>They will not accept the idea of paranormal. They will

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<v Speaker 1>not accept the idea of supernatural or anything cryptid related

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<v Speaker 1>to Ufoor related. Everything is rode off. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them are super religious people, which I find even stranger

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<v Speaker 1>because just not just just shot on Christianity because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't it's not my thing. That's my big background of

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01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:15.360
<v Speaker 1>what I was raised into. But like a lot of

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01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Christianity type people will not believe in stuff like this

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<v Speaker 1>yet the ideology of that is the Holy Spirit. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about a spirit, but you don't believe spirits exist.

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<v Speaker 3>But it doesn't make sense of that. So for me,

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<v Speaker 3>it's just a different rule of foam. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>That is the biggest argument I've always gotten from people

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<v Speaker 1>is none of this stuff is real. Like you've mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>certain stuff with the devil. I've heard that my entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's how I was raised. This stuff isn't real like this,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all devil. I don't believe it to be that

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<v Speaker 1>just because there's too much. Maybe I'm one hundred percent wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea, but I tend to lean that

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just the devil.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think it's all the devil. I don't

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01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:17.480
<v Speaker 3>know it's all the Devil's making.

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<v Speaker 1>We could be completely wrong, absolutely, So maybe one day

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<v Speaker 1>I'll figure that out, But as of right now, I

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01:04:26.239 --> 01:04:29.199
<v Speaker 1>lean a different direction, which goes against everything that I

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01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:35.079
<v Speaker 1>was raised. But I guess I'm a rebel. We can

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<v Speaker 1>probably go ahead and wrap this one up. But before

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<v Speaker 1>we do, I just want to say thank you and

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01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:46.960
<v Speaker 1>would you like to let anyone else know, like you're

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01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:49.840
<v Speaker 1>obviously from Indiana, you do a lot of investigating. Talk

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01:04:49.840 --> 01:04:52.039
<v Speaker 1>about the name of your group and where they can

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<v Speaker 1>find you, guys up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sure we are Shadow of Secrets Paranormal. You can

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<v Speaker 3>find us on Facebook and if you're interested in the

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01:04:59.039 --> 01:05:02.400
<v Speaker 3>UFO and Alien the Assistance, that's on Facebook as well.

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<v Speaker 3>The pre chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's been a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 3>Likewise, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, and that's the show everyone. I really hope

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<v Speaker 1>you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would like to

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<v Speaker 1>be a guest on Tenfoil Tels, remember to send an

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01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:24.639
<v Speaker 1>email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot com or

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01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:27.760
<v Speaker 1>go to the contact section of tenfoiltl dot com. Just

1184
01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:29.639
<v Speaker 1>get your message to me. We'll get some schedule for

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01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:32.679
<v Speaker 1>a future episode. And just remember the truth lies, and

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01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:35.719
<v Speaker 1>the stories we share, the connections we make, stay curiously

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<v Speaker 1>open minded. Thank you all for joining us on this

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<v Speaker 1>journey and until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking, and

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<v Speaker 1>keep exploring the unknown. Good Night, everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Seens sounds in the headstones.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's turn to rock.

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<v Speaker 1>Got a story about a crypty creature. Let's take a luck.

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<v Speaker 2>Ex foot up. Then they're out there in the talk.

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01:05:57.239 --> 01:05:58.719
<v Speaker 1>But the truth is out there.

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01:05:58.960 --> 01:06:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Likely CUFO sightings got the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>World shook.

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<v Speaker 6>Conspiracies and phones. Like a story in the book. Control

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01:06:12.559 --> 01:06:16.760
<v Speaker 6>China keep us blind. We're all gonna use.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole mind.

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<v Speaker 6>In history. They don't want us to know the secrets

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01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:30.519
<v Speaker 6>they hide since they won't show, so they don't society.

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<v Speaker 6>They keep us in chase.

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<v Speaker 1>When Sen and Tom's.

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<v Speaker 2>Time to break the reins, Control China keep us fine,

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm alone before we're gonna use my own.

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<v Speaker 1>Mind in history.

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<v Speaker 6>They want us to know the secrets they hide since

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01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:19.159
<v Speaker 6>they will show, so they no society. They keep us

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<v Speaker 6>in chase.

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<v Speaker 3>I say it's talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Do sound to break the reins
