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Speaker 1: I had some trouble uploading the past couple of episodes
Speaker 1: of the show that I've been doing, the Virginia Giffrey
Speaker 1: Mandela Effect Part one and Part two. Speaker did not
Speaker 1: want to upload the full episode of part one. It
Speaker 1: would only upload ten minutes, so then I had to
Speaker 1: rip it back down, reprocess it as an audio file,
Speaker 1: re upload it. It was only wanting to upload ten
Speaker 1: minutes of the thirty seven minute live broadcast that I did,
Speaker 1: and then once I got that uploaded and everything was
Speaker 1: good with that, then I went to upload episode number
Speaker 1: two and the first ten minutes of the episode were
Speaker 1: like all garbled, like you couldn't understand what I was saying.
Speaker 1: So there's been some really weird and strange things going
Speaker 1: on with this with this case in general, and this
Speaker 1: case is a really big deal because of the implications
Speaker 1: and the things that I think is going on can
Speaker 1: really peel back a lot of layers of exactly what happened. Right,
Speaker 1: Virginia Giuffrey did not kill herself. Okay, that should be
Speaker 1: the hashtag that we have on this and we should
Speaker 1: all be sharing out this information. We should be trying
Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of this, because Virginia said
Speaker 1: that she is not suicidal. Regardless of how long ago
Speaker 1: she said that she would never kill herself. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter when someone makes that kind of statement. Listen, if
Speaker 1: something happens to me, I am not suicidal. Hey, we
Speaker 1: should believe them and trust them, because you would not
Speaker 1: make a statement like that if you ever in the
Speaker 1: future ever intended to take your own life, you just wouldn't.
Speaker 1: You would never make a statement like that. If at
Speaker 1: any point in the future you thought that anything could
Speaker 1: happen to the point that you would take your own life,
Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen. But I've been really
Speaker 1: busy today. I had to move this show back several times.
Speaker 1: So I appreciate everybody that's in the chat right now.
Speaker 1: Juan Son, Chloe, thanks so much for or being a
Speaker 1: channel member. Chloe, Sam how's it going, brother. Good to
Speaker 1: see you, rob Oz, Good to see you, my friend.
Speaker 1: And I've been really busy this morning. I've been on
Speaker 1: two shows, two separate shows, talking about this, talking about
Speaker 1: Virginia Giuffrey, because I don't think a lot of people
Speaker 1: understand exactly what's going on here, and I don't even
Speaker 1: think that they know about the abuse allegations that Virginia
Speaker 1: has stated with the People magazine article that she had
Speaker 1: been being abused by her husband for almost ten years.
Speaker 1: So this case is a really big deal. And someone
Speaker 1: commented on the show yesterday on part two and ask
Speaker 1: about the Mendela effect part, because I mean, this thing
Speaker 1: keeps getting stranger and stranger, right, and they comment and
Speaker 1: ask about the Mendela effect, And the Mendela effect part
Speaker 1: was what got me interested in this story from the beginning, okay,
Speaker 1: which has everything to do with the bus accident, which
Speaker 1: I have new information on the bus accident that happened
Speaker 1: on March twenty fourth, And the Mendela effect part was
Speaker 1: in the first episode because I thought that she had
Speaker 1: died from the bus accident. That's what I believed because
Speaker 1: I didn't look into it. I thought it was like
Speaker 1: a non story, right, because people get in the car
Speaker 1: accidents all the time, and I thought that maybe it
Speaker 1: was just a coincidence that it was Epstein's main victim,
Speaker 1: Virginia Giffrey, that was, she was leading the charge on
Speaker 1: this entire story and Prince Andrew's main accuser. And it's
Speaker 1: even been reported though she was secretly funding other victims lawyers,
Speaker 1: fees and court cases. So Virginia was early. She literally
Speaker 1: made it possible for a lot of these other victims,
Speaker 1: these other Epstein victims, sexual abuse victims, to come forward.
Speaker 1: So I was kind of stunned by the fact that
Speaker 1: she had supposedly committed suicide when I thought that she
Speaker 1: had died in the bus accident, which then triggered me
Speaker 1: into researching all of this more. And the more that
Speaker 1: you look into these people, the weirder this whole thing becomes.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna do a quick recap here of yesterday's
Speaker 1: episode that we covered on this and so this article here,
Speaker 1: Virginia Giufrey, Allega's husband has physically abused her for years.
Speaker 1: I can no longer stay silent, Okay, So the weird
Speaker 1: thing of this whole thing becomes is that we discovered
Speaker 1: that Virginia came out less than a week after she
Speaker 1: was in the hospital for supposedly the bus accident that
Speaker 1: happened on March twenty fourth, that the police said was
Speaker 1: a minor incident, and the police didn't even show up
Speaker 1: to the scene. It was reported by the bus driver
Speaker 1: the next day, and Virginia arrives at the hospital six
Speaker 1: days later on March thirtieth, which is when she did
Speaker 1: this People's Magazine interview. Here she did this People's Magazine
Speaker 1: interview a week after she was in the hospital for
Speaker 1: the bus accident, right, and in the People's Magazine interview
Speaker 1: less than a week later, where she disclosed that her
Speaker 1: husband had been abusing her for ten years and basically
Speaker 1: he was responsible for her injuries, not the bus. Now,
Speaker 1: it doesn't explicitly say that in this article, but in
Speaker 1: a roundabout way, it definitely says it. She says, in
Speaker 1: an exclusive statement to People of Virginia said, I was
Speaker 1: able to fight back against Justlene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: who abused and trafficked me, but I was unable to
Speaker 1: escape to domestic violence in my marriage until recently, after
Speaker 1: my husband's latest physical assault. I can no longer stay silent. Well,
Speaker 1: what other physical assault was she referring to if it
Speaker 1: wasn't the most recent one. What she claimed to the
Speaker 1: hospital was this bus accident, So that brings the whole
Speaker 1: bus accident into question. Okay, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: other recent event that she would be talking about, but
Speaker 1: there's another event that is talked about in this article.
Speaker 1: And we also discover that that other incident that happened
Speaker 1: back in the beginning of twenty twenty five in January,
Speaker 1: where the exact same thing happened to her. Virginia and
Speaker 1: Robert went on a trip to celebrate one of her
Speaker 1: children his birthdays in January twenty twenty five, Robert Drew
Speaker 1: Frey beat Virginia so severely she was left with a
Speaker 1: cracked septim, a bruise temple, and a black and eye.
Speaker 1: She was then transported to the hospital for her injuries.
Speaker 1: The next day. Virginia reported that the assault to the police,
Speaker 1: who did not charge Robert for any crime. Instead, he
Speaker 1: flipped the script on her and filed a protection order
Speaker 1: against Virginia and took the kids. That was the whole reason,
Speaker 1: that's how the kids got taken in the first place.
Speaker 1: Was because he filed this restraining order against her after
Speaker 1: he had beaten her. He didn't flip the script on
Speaker 1: him and made it seem like this she had beaten him,
Speaker 1: or where's his bruise marks on this thing? Her face
Speaker 1: looks pretty beat up here, and Amanda Roberts down here
Speaker 1: in her husband right here. This is Amanda Roberts's brother,
Speaker 1: and this is her brother's wife right here. She made
Speaker 1: a statement in this article that she believed that the
Speaker 1: last incident on January ninth, where Robert Giffrey beat Virginia,
Speaker 1: she believed that Robert almost killed her, and that Amanda
Speaker 1: had spoken with Virginia on the phone after and Virginia
Speaker 1: basically said to Amanda that if she had one more
Speaker 1: instance with him, she wasn't going to make it out
Speaker 1: of there. If that statement alone isn't circumstantial evidence enough
Speaker 1: to warrant an investigation, an investigation on Robert Giufrey, I
Speaker 1: don't know what is. I mean. They convicted Scott Peterson
Speaker 1: on nothing but circumstantial evidence. Now, whether you agree with
Speaker 1: the Scott Peterson conviction or not, that's besides the point.
Speaker 1: There should at least be an investigation into Robert Guffray
Speaker 1: because of this entire People magazine article is nothing but
Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence against Robert Duffrey and his alleged abuse to Virginia. Okay, so,
Speaker 1: in speaking of Robert Giuffrett, I decided to try and
Speaker 1: look a little bit more into Robert GIUFRAYT And surprise, surprise,
Speaker 1: there is very little information on this man. You can't
Speaker 1: find any information on this dude online. It's like his
Speaker 1: entire life has just been scrubbed from the Internet, and
Speaker 1: even some of the reports that because apparently how they met,
Speaker 1: how Virginia and Robert met was entire Land and Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein had sent Virginia to Thailand to be a massuse
Speaker 1: and then that's how she met her husband, Robert Giffrey,
Speaker 1: and then they got married ten days later, and then
Speaker 1: she never communicated with Epstein or Jesleen Maxwell ever again.
Speaker 1: And I tried to look this up. I used GRACK,
Speaker 1: I used chat, GPT, I used Google. I could not
Speaker 1: find one article that theated this in any of the
Speaker 1: articles online when they said that that information was in there,
Speaker 1: it was a bad gateway. Yes, you're right, rob oz
Speaker 1: He was also a martial arts instructor that's pretty much
Speaker 1: all the information that we got on the sky. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's all we got was that he's a martial arts instructor,
Speaker 1: that they met in Thailand. That's it. Jeffrey Epps Dean
Speaker 1: sent Virginia to Thailand to become a messuse, become a
Speaker 1: massage therapist, and that's all we got. There's no other information.
Speaker 1: And Google tries to say there's no other information because
Speaker 1: he is he's not a public figure. Now, I don't
Speaker 1: understand how you can not be at least have some
Speaker 1: articles written on you when you're the wife of Virginia
Speaker 1: Roberts here like, I don't understand how you don't have
Speaker 1: any articles. There's nothing about you online. Even the Wikipedia
Speaker 1: page on Virginia Giuffrey has very little information about Robert
Speaker 1: on it. Here's the Wikipedia article on Virginia Guphray. Okay,
Speaker 1: so following her marriage to Robert Giffrey in two thousand
Speaker 1: to which, again they exclude the fact that the reason
Speaker 1: that they met was because Epstein sent Virginia to Thailand
Speaker 1: to become a massosh therapist Armasus. Virginia lived in Glenning
Speaker 1: Valley in Central Coast and New South Wales for eleven years.
Speaker 1: The family relocated to the United States in November two
Speaker 1: thousand and three. They stayed there for several years, initially
Speaker 1: spending time in Florida and later in Colorado in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, it was reported that Virginia Giffrey lived
Speaker 1: in the Canaries, Queen's Island with her husband, Robert, and
Speaker 1: their three children, two sons and one daughter. In twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: she moved her family to Ocean Reef in Perth, Western Australia.
Speaker 1: By twenty twenty five, Giffrey and her husband had separated.
Speaker 1: Her brother and her sister in law have said that
Speaker 1: she had separated from Robert even earlier, in August of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. That is not confirmed, though in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five, Virginia stated that her husband had physically abused
Speaker 1: her both during their life together and more recently. She
Speaker 1: subsequently accused the breaching of family violence restraining order taken
Speaker 1: out by Robert, and the court hearing which said asked
Speaker 1: for comment by press days after the accident, which is below.
Speaker 1: She denied violating such an order and added that she
Speaker 1: would defend herself against malicious claim. So the final separation
Speaker 1: was the event on January eighth of twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: where Robert Duffrey beat her to an inch of her life.
Speaker 1: What is talked about in this People magazine article where
Speaker 1: she was then taken to the hospital and a police
Speaker 1: report was filed. This is Sky and Amanda making a
Speaker 1: comment on that event, saying that they believed that she
Speaker 1: had almost died because of the beating that Robert Dufrey
Speaker 1: gave Virginia. Amanda says about the alleged January ninth beating
Speaker 1: that had had to speak truth with her on the
Speaker 1: phone and that she acknowledged that she had one more
Speaker 1: instance with him than she wasn't making it out of there,
Speaker 1: which is very damning evidence against Robert Dufray. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I started trying to look into this man, and the
Speaker 1: only article that I could find that had any relativity,
Speaker 1: Just like I was mentioning before the all of the
Speaker 1: articles that said that Jeffrey, like Virginia was sent to
Speaker 1: Thai Land by Jeffrey Epstein, has been essentially like wiped
Speaker 1: from the internet. You can't find it. It's either a
Speaker 1: bad gateway. Even one of the articles that I clicked
Speaker 1: on here, I'll show a screenshot of this that's doing
Speaker 1: this count that Jeffrey Epstein had sent them to send
Speaker 1: her to Thailand to be a massage therapist. Okay, so
Speaker 1: this says that Virginia Giffrey met her husband, Robert Giffrey,
Speaker 1: while taking massage training in Thailand in two thousand and two.
Speaker 1: Arranged by Jeffrey Epstein. She was instructed to bring a
Speaker 1: ti girl back to the United States, but instead she
Speaker 1: fell in love with Robert and married him ten days later.
Speaker 1: According to the BBC, now this is just a screenshot
Speaker 1: that I took of an article that I couldn't find
Speaker 1: because whenever you if I had the real like where
Speaker 1: I got the screenshot from, if I had the real one,
Speaker 1: and I tried to click on this link right here,
Speaker 1: according to the BBC, which is the link that would
Speaker 1: take you directly to the article where you could read that.
Speaker 1: They said this it's a bad gateway. It won't allow
Speaker 1: you to read the full article. And one of the
Speaker 1: articles by the Daily Mail, which supposedly has this statement
Speaker 1: in it where Jeffrey Epstein arranged for her to go
Speaker 1: to Thailand and become a massage therapist. That's where she
Speaker 1: finds Robert Geffray that marries her. Ten days later she
Speaker 1: marries him. However, it worked, you have to pay. You
Speaker 1: have to pay to read it. So the one article
Speaker 1: that I can find about this that has this mentioned
Speaker 1: in it, you have to pay for it. All the
Speaker 1: other ones have bad gateways, or it's or the entire
Speaker 1: article has just been scrubbed. Like you can click on
Speaker 1: to open up the article and then it's something completely
Speaker 1: different that's not even related to Virginia Giffrey or Robert
Speaker 1: Giffrey that has something that is completely different, like soccer.
Speaker 1: I clicked on one earlier that was about soccer when
Speaker 1: it was supposed to be about Virginia Giffrey and Robert Giffray.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what's going on with this, but
Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting. They're trying to offuscate
Speaker 1: exactly what was going on and make it seem like
Speaker 1: that it wasn't Jeffrey Epstein's hand that even got them
Speaker 1: together in the first place, which seems like that he
Speaker 1: was an agent. He was set up there to find
Speaker 1: Virginia and get with her so that the Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: could still essentially have control. Because whenever you look at
Speaker 1: that People magazine article. It says that she was abused
Speaker 1: for ten years. Okay, but she'd been abused by Robert
Speaker 1: Giffrey for ten years, right, So, and the I found
Speaker 1: this article of which is who is Virginia Geffrey's husband
Speaker 1: Robert Giffrey and are they a strange Prince Andrew and
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's accuser met the Aussie martial arts instructor at
Speaker 1: a massage school in Thailand in twenty twenty two. But
Speaker 1: again this article admits the fact that this was Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein that sent her there to be a massage to
Speaker 1: go to the massage school. Okay, so this is them
Speaker 1: together here. Virginia giffreya prominent accuser of Jeffrey Epstein and
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew, says that she's in the hospital effort. She
Speaker 1: collided up with a school bus in Australia, But we
Speaker 1: do know what do we know about her husband? What
Speaker 1: do we know about her husband? Turns out we know
Speaker 1: very little, like nothing, Okay. Virginia Giffrey, a prominent accuser
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. Prince Andrew was hospitalized after a car collided
Speaker 1: with the school bus in Western Australia on March twenty fourth,
Speaker 1: per the BBC. Giffray shared the news via Instagram, adding
Speaker 1: that she has four days to live due to kidney failure.
Speaker 1: Which we're going to get more into that because I
Speaker 1: have a whole There's a new article here, a New
Speaker 1: York Post article saying that the bus driver disputes Epstein's
Speaker 1: Virginia Giffray's collision claims blown out of proportion. But we're
Speaker 1: going to get to that here in just a little bit. Okay,
Speaker 1: So her family recently shared a statement with BBC. She
Speaker 1: is overwhelmed with gratitude today. She remains in serious condition
Speaker 1: while receiving medical care. The school bus driver had a
Speaker 1: bus full of distraught children. Now this is another discrepancy
Speaker 1: between the police and these articles, is that the police
Speaker 1: said that there wasn't any children on board the school bus,
Speaker 1: but all the other articles that I've read all state
Speaker 1: that there were children on the school bus. Virginia was
Speaker 1: banged up and bruised and returned home. To Virginia's conditions,
Speaker 1: we're saying she admitted to the hospital, which is a
Speaker 1: cover story. The bust thing is a giant cover story.
Speaker 1: It's a cover up for the abuse of her husband,
Speaker 1: just like she covered up with him. On January eighth
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five, there's a picture of her and
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew and Jesselen Maxwell. Jeffrey forty one accused Prince
Speaker 1: Andrew sexually assaulting her on three occasions when she was
Speaker 1: seventeen years old. The Duke of York denied the claims,
Speaker 1: but reaching out a course settlement with her in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, which was supposedly for tens of millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Giffrey reportedly lives in Perth with her family, including her
Speaker 1: husband Robert and children. Knows BBC, However, recent reports should
Speaker 1: suggest that Virginia and Robert may have split recently. Here's
Speaker 1: what we know about him, and what we know about
Speaker 1: him is very little. Nancy Hardwick, Yeah, I agree. It's
Speaker 1: a setup. It's definitely a setup. He definitely arranged that
Speaker 1: in higher thing. He arranged for her to meet Robert
Speaker 1: Giffray in Thailand to then become her abuser whenever she
Speaker 1: escaped from the grips of Justlene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1: Because it's just a coincidence that she gets out of
Speaker 1: a very abusive role with Jeffrey Epstein and Justlene Maxwell
Speaker 1: and then she immediately gets into another abusive relationship with
Speaker 1: her husband. That she was sent to Thailand by Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein and just happened to meet him. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of it's a lot of coincidences there.
Speaker 1: But here's another picture of her and her husband. Robert.
Speaker 1: Robert Giffrey is reportedly an Australian martial arts instructor. Per
Speaker 1: News Australia. Not much, not much as known about him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say nothing is known about him though. An
Speaker 1: interview with your Fai's father gave to The Daily Mail
Speaker 1: after the accident hinted that she had been going through
Speaker 1: a divorce. Okay, so he says that she was very depressed.
Speaker 1: He told the all others everything else that she's gone
Speaker 1: through with the divorce and not being able to see
Speaker 1: her kids, which can be a motivation, okay. Virginia met
Speaker 1: her husband over two decades ago. They reportedly first crossed
Speaker 1: passed while she's had a massage school in Thailand in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and got married that same year per
Speaker 1: The Standard. She then cut off contact from Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: and Giselen Maxwell, Prince Andrew's legal team has said to
Speaker 1: have had sought witnesses accounts after Robert as a part
Speaker 1: of a civil case in the US back in two
Speaker 1: thousand and two. So this admits the entire idea that
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein even sent her to Thailand. Doesn't mention that.
Speaker 1: It just mentions, ah, hey, they met a couple of
Speaker 1: decades ago and reportedly crossed baths while they were at
Speaker 1: a massage school in Thailand in twenty twenty two. They
Speaker 1: just both happened to randomly be at a massage school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nancy Hardwick. He asked to marry her within one week.
Speaker 1: They got married within ten days after they met in Thailand,
Speaker 1: which Jeffrey Epstein set up. He set up her going
Speaker 1: to Thailand to go to this massage school and that's
Speaker 1: where she met Robert and they got married within ten days.
Speaker 1: That's what happened, Okay. So they completely scrubbed the fact
Speaker 1: out of this article that it was Jeffrey Epstein that
Speaker 1: sent her to Thailand to begin with in two thousand
Speaker 1: and two, and that's how she met Robert Giffrey. Then
Speaker 1: she cut off contact from Jeffrey Epstein and Jeslein Maxwell
Speaker 1: and moved to Australia. Okay, so we know why Virginia
Speaker 1: was going to Thailand to be a messuse, because that
Speaker 1: was the whole thing of Jeffrey Epstein, right, he would
Speaker 1: have he would get these women to give him a
Speaker 1: massage and then he would you know, do his thing afterwards.
Speaker 1: So he wanted him to get a good miss. But
Speaker 1: why was Robert at the massage school when he's a
Speaker 1: martial artist from Australia. He was born and lived in Australia,
Speaker 1: but he just happens to be in Thailand at the
Speaker 1: same massage school. Now, something's not adding up here. Robert
Speaker 1: and Virginia Geffrey shared three children. According to The News Australia,
Speaker 1: the family moved from the Canaries to Perth in late
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. So that's basically all of that article takes
Speaker 1: out the fact that Jeffrey Epstein was the one that
Speaker 1: sent Virginia to the school to learn how to be
Speaker 1: a massage therapist. To the massage therapist school. Okay, so
Speaker 1: now we get into this bus stuff. Hey, we're back
Speaker 1: to the bus stuff, because the bus stuff is where
Speaker 1: all this started. But I want to know why there's
Speaker 1: not any more information on Robert Giffrey. If someone can
Speaker 1: find out more information on this man, it can find
Speaker 1: some articles where he's from, what his family was, because
Speaker 1: that's how you investigate somebody. You got to figure out
Speaker 1: everything about them. But you can't figure out anything about
Speaker 1: this man because there is nothing on him. There's nothing
Speaker 1: on this dude anywhere on the internet. Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: get to this bus. This is from the New York Post.
Speaker 1: A lot of conflicting things going on with this bad boy. Hey.
Speaker 1: Bus driver disputes Epstein victim Virginia Giffray's collision claims blown
Speaker 1: out of proportion. The school bus driver allegedly hit Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein's victim, Virginia Giffrey said the mom of three was
Speaker 1: complaining exaggerating when she suggested that the accident nearly killed her,
Speaker 1: So he the bus driver is claiming that the accident,
Speaker 1: she's exaggerating the accident that it nearly killed her. Jeffrey
Speaker 1: forty one, who was allegedly sex trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 1: to have sex with Prince Andrew when she was a teenager,
Speaker 1: made headlines on Tuesday when she posted a harrowing picture
Speaker 1: of herself in the hospital covered in bruises, claiming that
Speaker 1: she to only have four days to live. Ross Muns.
Speaker 1: So now we know the name of the bus driver.
Speaker 1: Ross Muns is the name of the bus driver that
Speaker 1: allegedly hit Virginia Dufran. Driver involved in the Australian police
Speaker 1: dubbed a minor collision said Giffray's post on social media
Speaker 1: have blown it out of proportion. The Daily Mail reported.
Speaker 1: The bus driver claimed that the incident, which occurred in
Speaker 1: Niagarabi just after three pm on March twenty fourth, happened
Speaker 1: to It had been happened when he was trying to
Speaker 1: overtake a slow moving white Toyota Highlander driven by a
Speaker 1: seventy year old seventy one year old woman. So where
Speaker 1: did does woman come from? Months? Who was driving with
Speaker 1: twenty nine kids? Okay, this is a major discrepancy here
Speaker 1: Mons who says that he was driving with twenty nine
Speaker 1: kids at the time. Now of all reports say that
Speaker 1: the bus was at least going sixty eight miles per
Speaker 1: hour when it collided with Virginia's car. Okay, you have
Speaker 1: twenty nine kids on board and no one was injured.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember being on a bus.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys remember being on a bus,
Speaker 1: but there I don't think their seat belts on a bus. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe there are now. I don't know what it's like
Speaker 1: in Australia, but back when I was in school, there
Speaker 1: were no seat belts on the bus. You just sat
Speaker 1: on the bus. So a bus collides with Virginia's car
Speaker 1: at sixty eight miles per hour and no one was injured.
Speaker 1: But that's in complete contrast to what the police said
Speaker 1: of the incident. Okay, the police said, hold on, let
Speaker 1: me okay, here's the police. The police estate fast forward
Speaker 1: a little bit here. So the police said that they're
Speaker 1: there wasn't any there were no injuries, and there was
Speaker 1: nobody There were no passengers on the bus, but the
Speaker 1: bus driver are seeing that there were twenty nine kids
Speaker 1: on board of the bus.
Speaker 2: I do know there was an accident on the twenty
Speaker 2: fourth of March. It was a bus with another vehicle.
Speaker 1: And was there any passengers on the bus at the
Speaker 1: time when we were.
Speaker 2: I'm not aware of passengers on the bus, but certainly
Speaker 2: the bus driver reported as he was required to do
Speaker 2: and in the right time frames.
Speaker 1: No passengers on the bus. So we're getting conflicting reports there.
Speaker 1: The police are seeing one thing, the bus drivers seeing
Speaker 1: one thing, the articles are seeing something completely different. Why
Speaker 1: can't anybody get their story straight here? Okay, because the
Speaker 1: bus accident was fraudulent, it was an excuse. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: get on reading more of this article. So the driver
Speaker 1: basically pulled out in front of me. I made sure
Speaker 1: she was all right, and I went and went and
Speaker 1: did a police report. Months told the outlet, So this
Speaker 1: is the man that was driving the bus, Ross Mons.
Speaker 1: She was elderly. She was an elderly woman, and I
Speaker 1: asked if she was okay. She said yes, I'm okay.
Speaker 1: He added, Mon maintains that he never actually sold your
Speaker 1: fray inside of the vehicle. He never even saw Virginia
Speaker 1: inside of the vehicle. Okay, So was she even there?
Speaker 1: Did this bus accident even happen? So his only other
Speaker 1: interaction with the driver until checking on her condition and
Speaker 1: warning her to put her signals on when making a turn.
Speaker 1: He didn't even see Virginia during this best accident. That's
Speaker 1: all the conversation was. And she asked how the kids
Speaker 1: were on the bus, and she said fine. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a major crash, he concluded Virginia. According to Munn, here
Speaker 1: Virginia wasn't even in the vehicle or he didn't see Virginia.
Speaker 1: Police confirmed that mun had contacted in the following day,
Speaker 1: adding to no injuries were reported as a result of
Speaker 1: the crash, which left the car with about two thousand
Speaker 1: dollars worth of damages. I don't know how insurance companies
Speaker 1: work in Australia, but you have to have a police
Speaker 1: report in order to claim insurance on your vehicle. There
Speaker 1: was any damage down to your vehicle, you have to
Speaker 1: call the police. The police has to come and do
Speaker 1: a report and that's how you get your insurance to
Speaker 1: cover your accident. This doesn't make any sense. How can
Speaker 1: there be two thousand dollars worth of damage on the vehicle,
Speaker 1: no police report, It was a minor accident, nobody was injured,
Speaker 1: He didn't even see Virginia. Mun said that he was not.
Speaker 1: He's saying that he wasn't even obligated to even report
Speaker 1: the incident to the police. Okay, Well, rob Oz is
Speaker 1: saying that no insurance report from cops needed in Australia.
Speaker 1: That's wild. So I guess the insurance companies are just
Speaker 1: taking everyone's word for it. That's wild. I thought that
Speaker 1: that would be like a standard thing that would happen everywhere.
Speaker 1: So you can essentially just go out and wreck your
Speaker 1: car and then you don't have to have a police
Speaker 1: report proving that someone hit you. You can just say whatever,
Speaker 1: and then the insurance company will fix your car. That
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of fraud can be done that way,
Speaker 1: because that's exactly what would happen in the United States
Speaker 1: if a police report wasn't required for an insurance company.
Speaker 1: In fact, that is the reason why a police report
Speaker 1: is required for your insurance if you have a car
Speaker 1: accident in the United States is because of fraud. People
Speaker 1: could just make shuit up. They can essentially get all
Speaker 1: the money. They could wreck their car, say that they
Speaker 1: were in an accident, and then the insurance just pays
Speaker 1: them out all the money for the car, and then
Speaker 1: they can get a brand new car or get their
Speaker 1: car fixed. They could get a new paint job if
Speaker 1: they wanted to. They could hit something, They could hit
Speaker 1: a mailbox and say, oh, right side of my vehicles
Speaker 1: all screwed up. I got into a car accident. Call
Speaker 1: of the insurance company, like I got into a car accident.
Speaker 1: You got to take my word for it. That's wild though.
Speaker 1: That's wild though. If that's true, you only call the
Speaker 1: cops if someone's injured. And again, I don't understand how
Speaker 1: someone wasn't injured. How was someone not injured by a
Speaker 1: bus being involved in an accident hitting the car at
Speaker 1: sixty eight miles per hour. That's a wild standard for
Speaker 1: insurance companies, if that's true, rab Oz in Australia, that
Speaker 1: just is that can for a lot of fraud. A
Speaker 1: lot of fraud can be done. It can be done
Speaker 1: with that. You could essentially get a new freaking car
Speaker 1: every single year if you wanted. You just got to
Speaker 1: wreck it. Okay. So after in forming the driver that
Speaker 1: he had contacted the police, the woman allegedly revealed to
Speaker 1: him that there was a passenger in the car who
Speaker 1: for a black eye. Okay, So this is where it
Speaker 1: gets really interesting. So it wasn't until after he had
Speaker 1: contacted the police that the elderly woman that was seventeen
Speaker 1: years old that was supposedly driving the vehicle that had
Speaker 1: Virginia Defray in it, that she then disclosed to him
Speaker 1: that there was a passenger that was in the backseat.
Speaker 1: The bus driver was ultimately shocked to learn that the
Speaker 1: whole incident became news across the globe following Geffray's post
Speaker 1: on Instagram. In the original prost with, Jeffrey's spokesperson said
Speaker 1: that she intended the post for a private Facebook account.
Speaker 1: She had claimed she had gone in the kidney renal
Speaker 1: failure after a bus allegedly traveling at sixty eight miles
Speaker 1: per hour plowed into her. So someone's lying. Someone's lying
Speaker 1: here here a paranormal Ryan brother, Ryan Burns, what's going on?
Speaker 1: I just did his show. We were just talking about
Speaker 1: this earlier today. Should be on it. When is that
Speaker 1: show gonna premiere? Ryan? Let me know and I'll put
Speaker 1: it in the put it in the chat here. Hopefully
Speaker 1: you already have it up and it's gonna premiere soon,
Speaker 1: but I'll let people know about it. So uh. Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: who was born in the US relocated to all show it,
Speaker 1: was reportedly discharged from the hospital the following day and
Speaker 1: brought into another hospital the following week, where she was
Speaker 1: also discharged. Rather than resulting from the crash, Gephrase and
Speaker 1: Drewrees allegedly came from a fall seat. There's so many
Speaker 1: conflicting statements by all of these different articles as the
Speaker 1: reason for her energies for her injuries. Right the People
Speaker 1: magazine article claims from her brother and her brother's wife
Speaker 1: that she got the injuries from her husband from her
Speaker 1: husband beating her, and she essentially said that also in
Speaker 1: the article that Virginia said, I was unable to fight
Speaker 1: back against Justlene Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein who abused in
Speaker 1: traffick me. But I was unable to escape the domestic
Speaker 1: violence in my marriage until recently, after my husband's latest
Speaker 1: physical assault. I can no longer stay silent. This is
Speaker 1: less than a week after she's in the hospital for
Speaker 1: this supposed buss crash injuries. So she can't be referring
Speaker 1: to the incident back in January eighth. That was at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year. It was over two months ago,
Speaker 1: three months ago. She can't be referring to that. She
Speaker 1: has to be referring to the one that she's in
Speaker 1: the hospital for now, which she's covered up and said
Speaker 1: that it was because of the bus crash. Okay months
Speaker 1: told Daily Mail that the crash happened after he decided
Speaker 1: to safely overtake at a speed of under forty six
Speaker 1: miles per hour. See, there's so many conflicting statements just
Speaker 1: in this article alone, the one article, the one thing
Speaker 1: said sixty eight miles per hour. And now later on,
Speaker 1: whereas we scroll down further, is he seeing that it
Speaker 1: was a speed of forty six miles per hour and
Speaker 1: he's trying to overtake a slow moving vehicle with a
Speaker 1: Toyota Highland or driven by a seventy one year old woman.
Speaker 1: I want to know who this seventy one year old
Speaker 1: woman is, rob oz Any details on the seventy one
Speaker 1: year old woman? Yeah, Robos, they do look like they
Speaker 1: or the wrong caller because it didn't come from the
Speaker 1: bus accident. It came from her husband and beating her,
Speaker 1: as stated in this People magazine article. Okay, so let's
Speaker 1: get back to this bus driver. Okay. So, West Australian
Speaker 1: Police confirmed to news dot Com Australia that they had
Speaker 1: one recent record of a minor bus collision with no
Speaker 1: reported injuries in the state, which occurred twelve miles north
Speaker 1: of Perth just over three pm March twenty fourth. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's so much. There's even conflicting information within this article.
Speaker 1: So you're not only getting conflicting information from the police,
Speaker 1: you're getting conflicting information from all the articles. You're getting
Speaker 1: conflicting information from Virginia yourself. You're getting conflicting information from
Speaker 1: the driver of the bus. This guy right here, Ross Mums,
Speaker 1: he's switching up his story, saying that the bus was
Speaker 1: going sixty eight miles per hour. Then later on he
Speaker 1: says of forty six miles per hour because he was
Speaker 1: trying to overtake another vehicle. Virginia was in the vehicle.
Speaker 1: She wasn't in the vehicle. He never seen her in
Speaker 1: the vehicle, and then all of a sudden she's in
Speaker 1: the vehicle. This bus thing just keeps getting stranger and stranger.
Speaker 1: Then why do we not know anything about her wife,
Speaker 1: I mean about her husband other than that he's a
Speaker 1: martial arts instructor. He's a martial arts instructor at a
Speaker 1: massage school in Thailand in twenty twenty two. So he
Speaker 1: was teaching martial arts at a massage school. Well, it
Speaker 1: is go going on here. Why do we not Someone
Speaker 1: needs to figure out more about this, dude. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do my best, but there's just no information on
Speaker 1: this guy, very little information on this dude. Can't find it, nothing, zilch, zippo.
Speaker 1: And then even the articles that you can find doesn't
Speaker 1: talk about how Jeffrey Epstein was the one that sent
Speaker 1: her to Thailand to the massage school. Just says that
Speaker 1: she was she was just random. She just randomly wanted
Speaker 1: to go to the UH to a massage school in
Speaker 1: Thailand where she met the love of her life, Robert Giffrey.
Speaker 1: That's it. So the whole thing, super SIUs and I
Speaker 1: think that I'm on target here, I am above target.
Speaker 1: I think that this has everything to do with her husband.
Speaker 1: I think that her husband had the perfect out. But
Speaker 1: this whole thing by one getting out of the first
Speaker 1: event that happened January eighth, where her brother and his
Speaker 1: wife said that she nearly narrowly escaped with her life
Speaker 1: from the beating that she received by Robert. He's a
Speaker 1: proven he's a proven woman beater. There's reports of him,
Speaker 1: there's a police report of him and the damage that
Speaker 1: he had done to her on January eighth of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. So the reason why he's not being invested
Speaker 1: gated is is wild. I mean, he has a history
Speaker 1: of domestic abuse against her, but he's the one that
Speaker 1: filed the report. He's the one that filed the restraining
Speaker 1: order against her. Here, I'm trying to find where the
Speaker 1: photo of them together are. It's up here at the top. Okay,
Speaker 1: So he he's the one that filed the report against
Speaker 1: her to make it look like that she was the abuser.
Speaker 1: She's the one that did it. So it's a defense
Speaker 1: for him. He's that's how he got the kids, that's
Speaker 1: how he got custody of the kids, was filing the
Speaker 1: family restraining order against her. So it makes it seem
Speaker 1: like he's the good guy when he's the one that's
Speaker 1: the abuser. He's the one that's beating her. And there's
Speaker 1: proof of that in the claim that in the police
Speaker 1: report from January eighth or January ninth, early January of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. Yeah, Virginia reported January ninth of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five an assault in Dunsborough, Western Australia to the police,
Speaker 1: who did not charge Robert for any crime. People has
Speaker 1: been unable to obtain the incident report. Robert did not
Speaker 1: respond to People's multiple calls or texts or comment, Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's a police report out there somewhere that he
Speaker 1: almost beat her to death and she ended up in
Speaker 1: the hospital earlier in the year, and Amanda's Amanda Roberts,
Speaker 1: which is her brother's wife, says that we don't don't
Speaker 1: know if the injuries came from the bus or if
Speaker 1: it came from her husband beating her. Speaking about the
Speaker 1: damage to Virginia's Organs, Sky said, I think that's from
Speaker 1: years of alleged abuse. You got to think she's been
Speaker 1: allegedly being abused for over ten years. Anybody's body is
Speaker 1: going to take a toll over that course of time.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever said that her kidney issues, her livering kidney
Speaker 1: issues failure was from the bus accident. We still don't
Speaker 1: know if it is. I'm not a medical professional, but
Speaker 1: that's up for her doctor to determine. So she's telling
Speaker 1: you right there that the injuries did not come from
Speaker 1: the bus accident. The bus accident could have happened, it
Speaker 1: could have been a real deal, but very minor. And
Speaker 1: then she used the ex that her injuries came from
Speaker 1: the bus accident, just like she ended up covering up
Speaker 1: the abuse that she had from her husband. Earlier in
Speaker 1: the year, on January ninth. Excuse me, I might have
Speaker 1: been seeing January eighth earlier in the in the episode,
Speaker 1: but it's January ninth. It's the same thing. Early January.
Speaker 1: This event happened where Robert Giffrey pretty much beat her
Speaker 1: to death, and then she made the statement, if she
Speaker 1: ever gets into another situation like that again, then it'll
Speaker 1: probably be the end of her. Which then we find
Speaker 1: out a couple of weeks later, just a few days ago,
Speaker 1: that she had died of suicide, and she stated in
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, I'm making a publicly known that in no way,
Speaker 1: shape or form am I suicidal. I've made this known
Speaker 1: to my therapist and my GP. It's shaping up like that.
Speaker 1: Her husband was one hundred percent involved in her death. Now,
Speaker 1: whether he actually killed her or not, we don't know.
Speaker 1: It's speculation at this point, but he was involved somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, shape or form in her death and he
Speaker 1: needs to be investigated. And if he's not investigated right now,
Speaker 1: if the investigation doesn't go through right now, this entire
Speaker 1: story is going to be a Netflix documentary in five
Speaker 1: years and ten years where we're going to be theorizing
Speaker 1: about this. It's going to be a Netflix, Hulu Paramount
Speaker 1: Plus documentary, true crime documentary, Who did Virginia Jeffrey really
Speaker 1: kill herself? Then it's going to be all speculation, Oh
Speaker 1: could it have been? Could it have been her husband?
Speaker 1: And her husband? What kind of ties did he have?
Speaker 1: Then it's all going to come out then. But the
Speaker 1: problem is is that by that time nothing's going to
Speaker 1: be able to be done about it. So something needs
Speaker 1: to be done now. Yeah, that's that's the way that
Speaker 1: the courts think apparently. Matthew Martinez, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for your kind and generous super trying to supported the
Speaker 1: show for ninety nine. I appreciate you, Wright, I appreciate you,
Speaker 1: and my friend really appreciate it. Thank you for your
Speaker 1: support of the show. Him what does the autopsy say, Well,
Speaker 1: we haven't even gotten an autopsy yet. The police have
Speaker 1: already they've already set this thing up as like it's
Speaker 1: a close and shutcase, close and shotcase, she committed suicide,
Speaker 1: nothing else to see here, Even though Robert Giuffrey there's
Speaker 1: a police report out there floating around somewhere, there's supposedly
Speaker 1: no one can get access to, not even People Magazine
Speaker 1: can get access to it. That proves that her husband,
Speaker 1: it's a woman beater, that he has domestically abused her
Speaker 1: several times in the past, and her family knows this
Speaker 1: because she's told her family over and over again. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's proven in this People magazine article. Her family knows this.
Speaker 1: She's probably been telling her family for up to ten years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jenna Banana, that's the issue. They just wait us out.
Speaker 1: I would like to know that, Gigi. I would like
Speaker 1: to know if he did, because that would be We'll
Speaker 1: probably never know because we can't figure out anything about
Speaker 1: this guy. If anybody can find anything about out about
Speaker 1: this guy googling him or I tried asking AI, I
Speaker 1: tried asking Grock chat GBT, googling it four hours today,
Speaker 1: there is no articles written on this dude, none, very
Speaker 1: brief mention of him at all, even in the Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: Yes he did. Yeah, he did get the kids because
Speaker 1: of the protection order that he filed against Virginia after
Speaker 1: he basically beat her to the edge of her life
Speaker 1: in January ninth of twenty twenty five. That's how he
Speaker 1: got the kids. He got the kids because of that
Speaker 1: suit and then they were getting ready to go to
Speaker 1: court soon because of a violation that supposedly Virginia made
Speaker 1: against the order by supposedly texting him. So she supposedly
Speaker 1: violated the order by texting him, but then she denies
Speaker 1: that allegation in the People magazine article. So people were
Speaker 1: saying that she was essentially making up the severity of
Speaker 1: the bus accident in order to see her kids. That's
Speaker 1: what people were saying. And also like Prince Andrew's ex wife,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is horrific. I don't want to
Speaker 1: forget about this. So Prince Andrew's all his ex girlfriend
Speaker 1: apparently posted on Instagram right after her death and essentially
Speaker 1: saying that this is like, this is karma, This is
Speaker 1: karma for being a liar. So Prince Andrews ex backtracks
Speaker 1: after Virginia Geffray's death remark so Prince Andrew's former girlfriend,
Speaker 1: Lady Victoria Harvey, sparked fury by reacting to Virginia giffrase
Speaker 1: suicide on Friday by posting, when lies catch up to you,
Speaker 1: There's no way out. Wow. Wow, what a thing. This
Speaker 1: is what a thing to say when lies catch up
Speaker 1: to you, There's no way out? What kind of implication
Speaker 1: is that that's Prince Andrew's ex girlfriend saying this, which
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew was the number one person that Virginia Geffrey
Speaker 1: was after she found a lawsuit against them, and of
Speaker 1: course Prince Andrew denied all the claims. But there's there's
Speaker 1: pictures of them together. There's pictures of her and Prince
Speaker 1: Andrew together. Let's see if I can find him right here.
Speaker 1: There's Virginia, there's Prince Andrew, and then there's Jeslene Maxwell.
Speaker 1: So he has denied this since she's come out about it,
Speaker 1: and then he settled out of court with her in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, which I highly doubt any of it was.
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of it was even paid out.
Speaker 1: I read a report, Well, me and Ryan Burns just
Speaker 1: did a show earlier on this topic, and he had
Speaker 1: read a report that it was coming out in chunks
Speaker 1: because he settled out of court and twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: paid her. It was supposedly had to pay her a
Speaker 1: lump sum of Some reports say upwards of like ten
Speaker 1: million dollars rob Oz exactly why would he pay twelve million? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's also reported to upwards of twelve million up to
Speaker 1: fifteen million but I think the standard what people are
Speaker 1: talking about is around over ten million dollars that he
Speaker 1: was supposed to pay a virgin Giffrey for subtling out
Speaker 1: of court, And yeah, why would you settle out of
Speaker 1: court unless you don't want all your your dirty laundry
Speaker 1: aired out. So that's where we are. I'm going to
Speaker 1: continue to look into this and get to the bottom
Speaker 1: of it because I don't believe that we should let
Speaker 1: this go. I'm going to try and get on as
Speaker 1: many shows as I can because I think that this
Speaker 1: is a really big deal and I think it's really
Speaker 1: important to discuss and get into and no one's really
Speaker 1: talking about it. So please share this out to as
Speaker 1: many people as you can, because I really think that
Speaker 1: I'm onto it here, and I think that we need
Speaker 1: to give some justice for this woman because believe that she,
Speaker 1: Virginia Giffrey, did not take her own life. And it's
Speaker 1: like a big middle finger. It's the ultimate middle finger.
Speaker 1: If her husband did have something to do with it,
Speaker 1: it's the biggest middle finger in the world. Okay, the
Speaker 1: person that was abusing you for ten years and trafficking
Speaker 1: you to all these people for ten years, supposedly hung
Speaker 1: himself in prison and committed suicide. Again I say supposedly.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that he actually killed himself, just like
Speaker 1: I don't believe that Virginia Giffrey killed herself either, But
Speaker 1: it's the ultimate middle finger to her by making it
Speaker 1: look like she killed herself, just like her supposed abuser
Speaker 1: people made it out like he killed himself. So it's
Speaker 1: the ultimate middle finger for a scumbag, abusive, narcissistic person
Speaker 1: like Robert Geffray. And it's just like Jeffrey Epstein to
Speaker 1: put her into another situation where she can continuously be abused. Okay,
Speaker 1: get out of this situation, get out of the one
Speaker 1: that you're in with me. You no longer I got
Speaker 1: to do that, but I'm gonna put you into another
Speaker 1: situation where you're gonna be abused for up to ten years.
Speaker 1: I think that whole thing was a giant setup. But
Speaker 1: again that's just my opinion. That's my thoughts on the matter.
Speaker 1: I will one believe that an investigation needs to be
Speaker 1: looked into to her husband, Robert Giffrey. We need more
Speaker 1: information about him. There's no information about him home online,
Speaker 1: there's nothing about him, zero information. So if anybody can
Speaker 1: find out anything more about her, please send me an
Speaker 1: email so I can start putting more things together. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're gonna end it for today.
Speaker 1: And thank you guys. Really appreciate you all. And again,
Speaker 1: thank you Matthew for your kind and generous four ninety
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Speaker 1: this bad boy goes. Let's try and blow this thing up.
Speaker 1: Let's try and go as far as this thing can
Speaker 1: take us, because I believe that she does need justice
Speaker 1: and her coming on and saying that she would never
Speaker 1: commit suicide is very telling. So let's stick with this.
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