WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.360 --> 00:00:09.480 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:09.759 --> 00:00:12.640 Great day, everybody, Thank you very much, Nicole. As we 3 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:16.600 head towards the midnight hour, yeah, we will be talking 4 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:20.359 about Tariff's tonight is the that is the elephant in 5 00:00:20.399 --> 00:00:22.519 the room. Pardon the pun if you happen to be 6 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:26.079 a Republican, Donald Trump's Liberation Day. And we will be 7 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:31.199 talking with Boston Globe business and financial columnist Larry Edelman 8 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:34.600 beginning at nine o'clock. But before we get to Larry 9 00:00:34.640 --> 00:00:38.880 and that question and so many questions about all of that, 10 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:42.200 it is time for us to open up our conversation 11 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:44.960 with four very interesting guests. Before we do that, let 12 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:48.119 me reintroduce myself. My name is Dan Ray. I'm the 13 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:51.000 host of Nights I'd heard here every Monday through Friday 14 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:53.359 night from eight until midnight. Rob Brooks is back and 15 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:57.280 broadcast Central. He's set to take your phone calls when 16 00:00:57.320 --> 00:01:01.079 we talk about Harris beginning at nine o'clock and feel free. 17 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:03.560 I'm sure there'll be some strong points of view on 18 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:08.079 both sides of that topic. First, I'd like to introduce 19 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:13.519 to all of you doctor Miles Jenkin. Doctor Jenkin, welcome 20 00:01:13.599 --> 00:01:14.959 to nights side. How are you, sir? 21 00:01:16.120 --> 00:01:17.799 I am great. Thank you so much for having me. Dan. 22 00:01:18.079 --> 00:01:22.680 We're going to talk about Alcohol Awareness Months. And you're 23 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:26.879 the director of Recovery Centers of America here in Massachusetts. 24 00:01:27.920 --> 00:01:31.519 I think the title is self explanatory, but tell us 25 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:34.120 a little bit more about recovery Centers. How long it's 26 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:36.239 been around and what success has it had. 27 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:39.959 Sure, we've been around for the last eight years. We 28 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:44.519 operate twelve facilities in multiple states, mostly in the Northeast 29 00:01:44.560 --> 00:01:49.159 and the Midwest. In Massachusetts here I helped run two facilities, 30 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.760 one in Westminster, Massachusetts, on the other one in Danvers. 31 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:54.840 And our sole focus is taking care of patients with 32 00:01:54.920 --> 00:01:57.359 any type of substance use disorder and mental health disorder, 33 00:01:58.120 --> 00:02:02.159 everything from alcohol to opiates, you name it. So definitely 34 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:05.280 during Alcohol Wareness Month, it's you know, a concern for 35 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:08.240 us and something that we are passionate about. 36 00:02:09.039 --> 00:02:14.599 So let's focus on alcohol abuse and we certainly have 37 00:02:14.680 --> 00:02:20.840 talked about opiate abuse and all sorts of addictions. How 38 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:26.800 big is the problem of alcohol abuse? Again, this is 39 00:02:26.879 --> 00:02:32.800 Alcohol Awareness Month? Has the percentage of Americans who are 40 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:38.560 impacted adversely by the use of alcohol increased over time 41 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:41.879 has the use of a number of Americans who use 42 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:46.960 alcohol at all. I know that there's some trends and 43 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:54.199 non alcoholic lifestyles give us some context on use versus 44 00:02:54.280 --> 00:02:58.400 abuse as it is today, as it has been twenty 45 00:02:58.520 --> 00:02:59.879 years ago, forty years ago. 46 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:04.159 Sure. Yeah, the trend sadly has been increasing in terms 47 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:09.280 of usage and morbidity immortality from diseases related to alcohol use. 48 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:13.199 The latest data we have nationally is a couple of 49 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.120 years old, So the latest data is from twenty twenty three. 50 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:18.000 But the trend at that time was continuing as an 51 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:22.199 upward trajectory of usage. Especially during the pandemic, the COVID 52 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.039 nineteen pandemic, we saw a large increase in alcohol use. 53 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:27.680 You know, it made sense because of the isolation and 54 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:30.719 the loneliness that that was, you know, a common theme there. 55 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.360 One good trend we have seen is younger Americans are 56 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:36.919 drinking less. That's a really fantastic trend that we've seen. 57 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:41.800 I think currently alcohol use disorder is our primary diagnosis 58 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:44.599 that Recovery Centers of America in Massachusetts, so more than opiate's, 59 00:03:44.599 --> 00:03:48.400 more than any other illicit substance. Alcohols are primary diagnosis 60 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:49.319 that we treat right now. 61 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:56.039 Okay, I assume that opiate abuse can kill someone quickly 62 00:03:56.520 --> 00:04:01.840 or more quickly than alcohol abuse. But but but alcohol abuse, 63 00:04:01.919 --> 00:04:04.800 I assume is even more insidious as a consequence of that. 64 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:08.159 Is that a general rule of thunders? 65 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:11.520 Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. In toxicology, there's 66 00:04:11.599 --> 00:04:13.319 a little phrase that it's not the drug that kills you, 67 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:16.040 it's the dosage. Right, so you take one time in 68 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.199 all your finally, if you swallow a bottle, it'll it'll 69 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:20.839 kill you. So same thing with alcohol, it's about how 70 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:23.920 much you consume. Same thing with opiates. You know, opious 71 00:04:23.959 --> 00:04:25.319 are a little more dangerous in the sense that a 72 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.879 smaller physical amount can be more fatal than the same 73 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:32.040 physical amount of alcohol. But alcohol in terms of numbers 74 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:35.920 can be you know, extremely deadly and serious as well. 75 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.720 Okay, So let's talk generally for people who are out 76 00:04:39.759 --> 00:04:42.079 there and who are listening and are saying to the 77 00:04:42.199 --> 00:04:44.519 radio right now, well, yeah, I drink a little bit, 78 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:49.560 but you know, I still function. I'm okay, what is 79 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:55.720 the level and does of the amount of drinks, either wine, beer, 80 00:04:55.959 --> 00:05:00.519 or hard liquor that someone can deal with on an 81 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:06.920 ongoing basis and basically not feel as if it's either 82 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.759 taken over their life from an occupational point of view 83 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:12.439 or from a physical or mental health point of view, 84 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:14.759 or is any sure safe. 85 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.199 Well, I think I'll just press this by saying no 86 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:20.519 level of alcohol is safe. The old premise of one 87 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:23.160 drink a day is protective for your health has really 88 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:27.279 been debunked. That's not true anymore. Internationally, there's a consensus 89 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:30.800 that alcohol in general is cardiotoxic neurotoxic. So I couldn't 90 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:32.399 tell you that any amount is safe. But if you 91 00:05:33.399 --> 00:05:35.040 do drink and you want to be in moderation, what 92 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.399 we worry about is binge drinking number one, which for 93 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.199 males is five drinks or more in a two hour period, 94 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:43.000 for females four drinks or more in a two hour period. 95 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:45.480 And then the other thing we worry about is heavy drinking, 96 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.480 and that's characterized by fifteen drinks or more per week 97 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:50.560 in a male and eight or more drinks per week 98 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:52.680 in a female. 99 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:57.560 And it doesn't matter if it's you know, again, just 100 00:05:57.560 --> 00:05:59.639 to make it clear to my audience and everyone I'm 101 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.399 sure is doing the math in the head right right now, 102 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:07.519 doctor Jenkin, it doesn't matter. A glass of wine is 103 00:06:07.560 --> 00:06:11.720 the same as a light beer is the same as martini. 104 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:15.000 Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, So what we 105 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:18.839 call a standard drink, we're talking about fourteen grams of alcohol. 106 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:21.639 So not to get two detailed for you, but for 107 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.240 pure alcoholic's points, six ounces of alcohol equivalent to a 108 00:06:25.279 --> 00:06:27.160 twelve ounce speer. So when I say one drink, we're 109 00:06:27.160 --> 00:06:30.240 talking a twelve ounce beer or five ounces of wine, 110 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:32.240 or one and a half ounces of a spirit. 111 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:38.000 Okay, so we as we go forward here, what can 112 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.879 people do who are listening tonight, who might be saying 113 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:45.079 thinking to themselves, do I now have a problem based 114 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:51.600 upon what doctor Jenkins has said? Are there surveys, you know, 115 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:55.759 tests that people can can take through the recovery centers 116 00:06:55.759 --> 00:06:58.160 of America? What can people do? I mean, obviously, one 117 00:06:58.160 --> 00:06:59.800 thing you can do is talk to you doctor, and 118 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:03.639 I'm sure that in the context of you know, doctor 119 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.480 patient privilege, you can be honest with your doctor and 120 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:08.240 say or oh, you know, here's what I do, doc. 121 00:07:09.040 --> 00:07:10.720 But what can what can they do in the meantime 122 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:12.680 to get a real sense of where they might be 123 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:15.079 if they're first of all, they're going to be honest, 124 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:16.920 What should you do. 125 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:20.079 Yeah, I think you have a great point there, because 126 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.040 the number of drinks is not necessarily as important. One 127 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:25.079 thing we really worry about is does the person have 128 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:28.319 control of their drinking? So if they have the inability 129 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:32.240 to reduce their drinking or control their drinking, especially despite 130 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:36.199 negative consequences like relationship problems or work problems, do you wise? 131 00:07:36.720 --> 00:07:40.639 That is one criteria that we characterize as alcohol use disorder, 132 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:42.519 and that's a big problem. So if the person feels 133 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:45.439 they can't control it despite negative consequences, that's an issue. 134 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:47.439 And like you said, I would recommend talking to their 135 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:51.399 physician first, talking to their primary care doctor as one step. 136 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:54.199 Our team has a lot of resources to help you. 137 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:57.040 Our website, you know, not even coming to Recovery Centers 138 00:07:57.040 --> 00:07:58.680 of America. You can come to our website and find 139 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:01.240 a lot of resources there. It's Recovery Centers of America 140 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:03.720 dot com. You can also call us twenty four hours 141 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:05.399 a day if you want to, you know, talk about 142 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:07.399 admission or even just talk about options that we have. 143 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:09.439 And that's the number for us is one hundred recovery. 144 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:12.360 So either way, whether you reach out to your doctor 145 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:14.160 or to us, there's a lot of resources out there 146 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:14.519 for help. 147 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:16.920 Well, of course, dealing with your own doctor. You know, 148 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:21.639 doctor patient privilege exists. Everyone understands that. Does someone can 149 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:24.240 they call? Can they go on your website and we'll 150 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:28.319 give that website in just a moment, in inanymity to 151 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.240 not Some people get a little paranoid or I'm going 152 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:32.840 to be traced here. It is my name going to 153 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.120 be in a list somewhere. Do you do you track 154 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:36.799 who calls or who? 155 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:40.159 So we if you want to come into our facility, 156 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.559 we would obviously need your name and your information. If 157 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:44.519 you want to just call us to get advice, you know, 158 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.159 we will talk to you regardless of if you want 159 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:49.159 to tell us your name or not. That's absolutely fine. 160 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:52.840 With addiction medicine, it's one hundred percent confidential. We actually 161 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.840 fall onto more privacy restriction and laws federally because you're 162 00:08:56.840 --> 00:09:01.440 calling an addiction medicine center. So everything is one hundredercent confidential. 163 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:02.799 With us, okay, And if they go to your website, 164 00:09:02.840 --> 00:09:04.399 it's not as if they're going to be tracked or 165 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:08.279 they're going to get uh, you know, you know, solicitations 166 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:13.559 and their and their you know, their their email address 167 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:15.600 is going to be stockpiled somewhere. I just want to. 168 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:17.919 Give now you people, we don't even need your email. 169 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:20.679 You could just come to our website read, you know, learn, 170 00:09:20.919 --> 00:09:23.679 and just browse the website without in putting any information. 171 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:27.080 Gotcha, perfect? Okay, website is. 172 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.240 Recovery Centers of America dot com. 173 00:09:31.240 --> 00:09:34.679 Could be easier. Recovery Centers of America dot com. Doctor 174 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:38.399 Miles Jenkins, thank you so much. Great great answers to 175 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:41.080 my questions. And I think those are the questions that 176 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:43.159 a lot of people might have had as they were listening. 177 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:44.840 So you did a great job and I appreciate it. 178 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:46.159 Thank you so much for talking again. 179 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:48.440 Thank you so much. I appreciate it. 180 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:50.399 Very welcome. We get back going to talk about the 181 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:54.120 fifty greatest athletes in Boston sports history. You don't have 182 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.120 to make a list, but you may maybe make a 183 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:57.960 list in your own mind of five or ten and 184 00:09:58.000 --> 00:09:59.879 we'll see if they're they're kind of going to talk. 185 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.000 The author and sportswriter Martin Gitlan coming right back on 186 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:04.320 night Side after this break. 187 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:10.320 It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w B Boston's news Radio. 188 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:15.200 Delighted to be joined by Marty Gitlan. Marty has written 189 00:10:15.200 --> 00:10:20.240 a book about the fifty greatest athletes in Boston sports history. 190 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.000 Marty Gitland, Welcome to Nightside. 191 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:25.559 How are you good? Just great? 192 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:26.720 Thank you so much for having me. 193 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:31.200 It looks to me like you've done similar work for 194 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.360 the in Saint Louis, a book about the Cardinals, a 195 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:38.799 book about the New York Yankees, and the Detroit Tigers 196 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:41.279 is the and it looks like they may be others now. 197 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:44.559 And this the one on this, the one on the 198 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:45.159 Red Sox. 199 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:47.039 Well, I got the Red Sox here, Yeah, I got 200 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:50.200 the Red Sox about the Indians, Yeah, I got it. 201 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:53.320 Yeah, I did well. It was a seventh right. The 202 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:55.960 publisher wanted me to keep brought in. The first ones 203 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:57.960 I wrote were the Red Sox and the Cleveland Indian. 204 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.320 I was a sports writer and Cleveland for many, many years. 205 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:03.360 But anyway, those are the first ones I wanted to 206 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.080 do because it was we were ended up doing a series. 207 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:08.320 Were with the Plane Dealer. 208 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:10.799 I was with the newth Hail that was the largest 209 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:14.240 suburban daily in Ohio at the time UH in the nineties, 210 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:17.960 and then I covered the Cleveland Browns actually for CBS 211 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:21.960 Sports UH from two thousand nine of twenty twelve. That 212 00:11:22.039 --> 00:11:24.600 was a difficult situation because they were awful every single 213 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:26.000 year for. 214 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:26.600 A long time. 215 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.639 You know, since they have well and well, yeah that 216 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:33.799 goes back aways, but no, they were good and they 217 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:36.440 with Birdie Coast are in the late eighties and for 218 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:36.759 a while. 219 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:38.720 But they they've been pretty. 220 00:11:40.039 --> 00:11:43.320 I mean, they didn't really get Yeah, they went. 221 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.840 To the AFC Championship three times, but they didn't get 222 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.799 to the Super Bowl. And the Browns are the Browns 223 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:51.720 and the Lions are the only two long established teams 224 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:53.639 that have never been to Super Bowl. So there you go. 225 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:56.519 Yeah, well, when when Bobby Lane comes out of retirement 226 00:11:56.559 --> 00:11:58.679 for the for the Lions, I think they're going to 227 00:11:58.720 --> 00:12:02.240 be in a lot. I have a great friend of 228 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:06.399 mine down in the Cape who lives and dies with 229 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:11.120 the Cleveland Browns. Greg is his first time. Yes, let 230 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:14.159 me tell you. Every Sunday he is there figuring out 231 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.960 watching somehow gets the Browns game. So let's talk about 232 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:19.799 your book, which is the the book of the fifty 233 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:22.559 greatest athletes in Boston sports history. Let me just look, 234 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:26.120 everybody knows you're going to have Bobby Orr in there, right. 235 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:30.200 I assume Phil Esposito's going to be in there as well. 236 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:34.360 In terms of hockey. Yeah, I assume you got Bill Russell, 237 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:38.679 Bob Coosey, you got Havlechek. I'm assuming you know guy 238 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:41.679 played it when was a tryout, was drafted by the 239 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.799 Cleveland Browns, and a pretty good basketball player. 240 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:45.879 Yes, yes, Okay. 241 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:48.320 In the Red Sox, we know we got Williams, Yastremsky 242 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.960 and Rice. I assume we got left field covered right, 243 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:55.519 Carlton Fisk, Pedro, Louis Tiant Clemens. We got all of that, 244 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:59.360 and football Brady, et cetera. Let's talk about some of 245 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:02.879 the lesson own athletes that you might have. Okay, how 246 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:06.039 about Boston's Marathon Billy Rogers. 247 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:11.120 No, now you're talking about these are? These are My 248 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:15.799 book is about athletes that wore Boston uniforms. We're talking 249 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:24.039 Red Sox games, Red Sox, Celtics, Patriots, and the Bruins. 250 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:26.559 And then there's another section that towards the end of 251 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:31.879 the book about athletes that were from Boston, that were 252 00:13:31.919 --> 00:13:34.240 from the Boston Rocky Marciano and so forth. And I 253 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:35.320 just listed those. 254 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:39.440 But the Marvin Hage. Okay, So, so we're talking about 255 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:42.919 fifty athletes from the four major sports teams. I got it. 256 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.679 I got it Red Sox Celtics. 257 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.159 And I ranked them, which is a difficult thing to 258 00:13:47.159 --> 00:13:50.080 do because you know, generally books are written about one 259 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:52.799 particular team, but one particular athlete. But I what I 260 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:56.200 wanted to do here was rank the fifty greatest Boston athletes. 261 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:58.720 All right, let's let's let's let's win. Let's win some 262 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:01.159 people's appetizing. We're not going to give the story away. 263 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:04.360 I promise you that many Okay, not a problem. Let's 264 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:08.360 go all the way down to number fifty. Someone has 265 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.840 to be in your opinion, the fiftieth just made the list. 266 00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:15.480 So can you tell us who was fifty and who 267 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:17.799 was closest to fifty that didn't make the list? 268 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:23.639 Well, well, you talked about Louis Tiant. He didn't make 269 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:27.000 the list. I mean, you know the greatness of all 270 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:31.000 these unbelievable athletes. But number fifty was Lefty Grove. Now 271 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:34.279 LEFTI Grove was a picture in the nineteen thirties that 272 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:37.320 they got from the Philadelphia A's, and he spent a 273 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.440 lot of his time with the A's. And the one 274 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:41.799 of the drawbacks of some of these athletes was that 275 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:45.000 just didn't spend enough time in Boston uniforms, so they 276 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:51.960 were you know, they were limited that way. But anyway, yeah, 277 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:54.840 it was one of the interesting guys. I think one 278 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:57.559 of the most fascinating guys that I ended up researching 279 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:03.960 was guy named Tiny Thompson, Cecil Thompson. He was world 280 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:06.879 way back when, a goaltender, yes, way way way back when. 281 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:09.759 And yeah, and so I found that found him to 282 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:13.039 be interesting. But you know, there were other athletes who 283 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:16.799 I mean, Roger Clemens. I I ranked a number thirty seven, 284 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:18.600 and one of the reasons I didn't have him higher 285 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:21.919 was because of the the steroid accusations and also he 286 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:30.159 pitched for other organizations for sure, sure, okay, right, sure, yeah, 287 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:31.559 And you know, so. 288 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:34.240 It's I gotta go to I gotta go to bat 289 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:38.720 for Louis. I mean obviously pitched Twins. Yeah, pitched to 290 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:42.320 the Indians. But Louis is a folk hero and a 291 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:43.320 great and should be in. 292 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:48.679 And he was a cigar smoker. Yeah he was. 293 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:52.320 You know, I'm not saying I'm not well, I'm not 294 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:54.240 saying he was the best conditioned athlete. 295 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:56.320 Oh no, No, I was just I was just throwing 296 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.600 that out there. But the big cigars that he's. Yeah, 297 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:02.720 he was probably if I if I had gone to 298 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:08.399 seventy five. But don't forget. He spent a huge number 299 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:10.519 of years with the Indians as well. 300 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:12.799 He had a few years with the Indies. Ye had 301 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:13.120 a couple. 302 00:16:13.200 --> 00:16:16.879 Well, he was with the Twins with sixty four through 303 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:20.639 through nineteen sixty nine, so we had sticked six years 304 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:22.840 with Indians. Then he spent some time with the Twins, 305 00:16:23.399 --> 00:16:25.120 but he was, Yeah, he was with the Red Sox 306 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:26.799 for quite some time. Don't forget. 307 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:29.320 I'll give you a little I'll give you Marty a 308 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:34.039 little trivia on Louis Tiant. Okay, the Red Sox through 309 00:16:34.799 --> 00:16:37.519 a pitcher who did will not make the list, throw 310 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:40.639 no hit or Dave moorehead against the Indians. 311 00:16:41.000 --> 00:16:42.759 Yeah, September sixteen sixty six. 312 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:47.120 I believe it was September sixteenth, Thursday afternoon. I had 313 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:52.279 a couple of friends of mine and Moore had probably 314 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:54.879 won fifteen games twenty games in his career, a pretty 315 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:57.799 good pitcher, but just his arm went on him. He'd 316 00:16:57.840 --> 00:16:59.399 beat Tea on that day two zip. 317 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:05.119 Oh yeah, Kean kind of fell apart in when the 318 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.839 lower the Mountains nine he lost twenty games that year 319 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:13.559 after she He probably should have won the Syug Award 320 00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:16.960 over Jenny McClain in sixty eight, but Denny Klayin won 321 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:20.720 thirty one games. The difference was that Louis Tian had 322 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:23.839 a significantly lower era than Denny McLain did that year. 323 00:17:24.079 --> 00:17:26.519 He just didn't The Indians could not hit at all 324 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:29.680 and they didn't give him any run support whatsoever. And 325 00:17:29.720 --> 00:17:32.160 the Tigers obviously had a much better hitting team in 326 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:34.279 sixty eight and then they and they won the you know, 327 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.799 they won the world. Seriously, I think they hit hit. 328 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:40.920 The Indians had that power. Hited Vic Davilo roaming center. 329 00:17:43.400 --> 00:17:46.359 So let's let's talk. We only got about a minute 330 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:48.720 left here. So how can folks get the book? We 331 00:17:48.799 --> 00:17:51.759 haven't given away the story yet, right. I hope Dwight, 332 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:53.839 by the way, let me ask you one. I hope 333 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:55.400 Dwight Evans made this list. 334 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.400 Oh yeah, Dewey's in there. Absolutely another guy we had 335 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:03.480 great rate on. Yes, he's He's definitely borderline Hall of Famer, 336 00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:07.440 no doubt about it. Harold if yea, If Harold Bains 337 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:11.039 is in, he should be in h But anyway, uh, 338 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:13.799 they can go. The book is will be coming out 339 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:18.160 around early May and and they can get it on Amazon. 340 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:21.119 But they also if they want to get an autographed 341 00:18:21.119 --> 00:18:25.000 and personalized copy of the book, Uh, they should facebook me. 342 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:29.039 Just send me a Facebook message. Marty Gitland g I 343 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:32.359 t l I N. Marity g I t l I N. 344 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:34.880 Send me a Facebook message and I will put you 345 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:37.240 on the list. There's a it's already starting to form 346 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:40.039 a little bit and a list of all the people 347 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.799 that I'm going to be sending books to autographed and personalized. 348 00:18:42.920 --> 00:18:45.240 I will remind I will remind people it is a 349 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:49.319 great Father's Day gift. There's no question about that. One 350 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:51.839 more question in hockey. I hope you had Milt Schmidt 351 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:52.839 on that list. 352 00:18:53.960 --> 00:18:57.799 Uh. Yes, Milt Schmid is in the book. And there's 353 00:18:57.839 --> 00:19:02.000 you know, it's it's pretty no Smith number thirty four. Yeah, 354 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:06.119 it's pretty balanced between And that's just goes to show. 355 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:08.519 I mean, yoused to see the top five I have 356 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:12.240 and I'm not gonna reveal it. She is just absolutely amazing. 357 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:15.240 I don't think any city in America. Way, if I 358 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:17.440 did the same book for any city in America, the 359 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:20.599 top five would be as. 360 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:24.559 Look, I'll give you four of the job five, Ted Williams, 361 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:27.480 Bobby or Bill Russell and Tom Brady. 362 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:30.759 You got it, and number five shouldn't be that hard either. 363 00:19:30.960 --> 00:19:32.960 But I'm not going to tell you the order. 364 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:34.799 Kyu Stremski. 365 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:38.880 No, no, it wasn't a baseball player. 366 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:41.880 Okay, fair enough, I will I will let you run 367 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:44.480 at that point, Marty Gitland. Yeah, I love to have 368 00:19:44.559 --> 00:19:47.480 you back. I love sports. This is unfortunately a brief. 369 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:50.400 We might be able to do an hour when the 370 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:53.799 book comes out. Have your pr people called my producer, 371 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:55.960 and maybe we can get some people call up and 372 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.480 make some arguments. I'll argue for Louis Tiant, and other 373 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:01.200 people might argue for someone else. We'll figure it out. Okay, 374 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:04.880 fair enough, all right, you should have been my buddy 375 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:07.599 Ted Lepsio. Somewhere in the book I suspect not but 376 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.039 ted Lepsio. Uh. In terms of being a good, great 377 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:14.079 athlete and a and a wonderful human being, he's top fifty. 378 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.400 Actually he's right at the top. That's just a personal ship. 379 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:20.599 Yeah, it sounds great. I'd love to come back. 380 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.119 Yeah. He played for the Tigers, by the way, briefly 381 00:20:23.319 --> 00:20:26.400 played for a few teams briefly. Thanks again, Money we'll 382 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:29.440 talk away. All right, you bet you. There comes the 383 00:20:29.480 --> 00:20:30.920 news at the bottom of the air. We're going to 384 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:33.319 switch to hockey coming up next. It's going to sound 385 00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:36.359 like a sports show. We'll talk about spring allergies later, 386 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:38.279 but we're going to talk about a team that I 387 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:41.839 had never heard of, called the Columbus Chill. They basically 388 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:45.200 paved the way for the NHL's Columbus Blue Jackets. We 389 00:20:45.240 --> 00:20:48.119 will explain with the author of another book when I 390 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:50.359 get a couple of sports guys to talk about I'm 391 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:52.920 in heaven. We'll be back right after this on night Side. 392 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.039 My name's Dan Ray. 393 00:20:55.400 --> 00:21:00.599 Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's Whose Radio. 394 00:21:01.559 --> 00:21:07.079 All right, I'm delighted to welcome doctor David pat Patson. 395 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:08.720 Doctor Patson, how are you tonight? 396 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:10.640 I'm doing great? 397 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:11.400 Thank you. 398 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:17.319 So you were the general manager, uh and the team 399 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:22.640 president of the Chill Factor. So you're you co wrote 400 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.240 this book with a fellow named Craig Mertz. But you 401 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.160