Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBSY, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Great day, everybody, Thank you very much, Nicole. As we
Speaker 2: head towards the midnight hour, yeah, we will be talking
Speaker 2: about Tariff's tonight is the that is the elephant in
Speaker 2: the room. Pardon the pun if you happen to be
Speaker 2: a Republican, Donald Trump's Liberation Day. And we will be
Speaker 2: talking with Boston Globe business and financial columnist Larry Edelman
Speaker 2: beginning at nine o'clock. But before we get to Larry
Speaker 2: and that question and so many questions about all of that,
Speaker 2: it is time for us to open up our conversation
Speaker 2: with four very interesting guests. Before we do that, let
Speaker 2: me reintroduce myself. My name is Dan Ray. I'm the
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Speaker 2: night from eight until midnight. Rob Brooks is back and
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Speaker 2: we talk about Harris beginning at nine o'clock and feel free.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there'll be some strong points of view on
Speaker 2: both sides of that topic. First, I'd like to introduce
Speaker 2: to all of you doctor Miles Jenkin. Doctor Jenkin, welcome
Speaker 2: to nights side. How are you, sir?
Speaker 3: I am great. Thank you so much for having me. Dan.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about Alcohol Awareness Months. And you're
Speaker 2: the director of Recovery Centers of America here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: I think the title is self explanatory, but tell us
Speaker 2: a little bit more about recovery Centers. How long it's
Speaker 2: been around and what success has it had.
Speaker 3: Sure, we've been around for the last eight years. We
Speaker 3: operate twelve facilities in multiple states, mostly in the Northeast
Speaker 3: and the Midwest. In Massachusetts here I helped run two facilities,
Speaker 3: one in Westminster, Massachusetts, on the other one in Danvers.
Speaker 3: And our sole focus is taking care of patients with
Speaker 3: any type of substance use disorder and mental health disorder,
Speaker 3: everything from alcohol to opiates, you name it. So definitely
Speaker 3: during Alcohol Wareness Month, it's you know, a concern for
Speaker 3: us and something that we are passionate about.
Speaker 2: So let's focus on alcohol abuse and we certainly have
Speaker 2: talked about opiate abuse and all sorts of addictions. How
Speaker 2: big is the problem of alcohol abuse? Again, this is
Speaker 2: Alcohol Awareness Month? Has the percentage of Americans who are
Speaker 2: impacted adversely by the use of alcohol increased over time
Speaker 2: has the use of a number of Americans who use
Speaker 2: alcohol at all. I know that there's some trends and
Speaker 2: non alcoholic lifestyles give us some context on use versus
Speaker 2: abuse as it is today, as it has been twenty
Speaker 2: years ago, forty years ago.
Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah, the trend sadly has been increasing in terms
Speaker 3: of usage and morbidity immortality from diseases related to alcohol use.
Speaker 3: The latest data we have nationally is a couple of
Speaker 3: years old, So the latest data is from twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: But the trend at that time was continuing as an
Speaker 3: upward trajectory of usage. Especially during the pandemic, the COVID
Speaker 3: nineteen pandemic, we saw a large increase in alcohol use.
Speaker 3: You know, it made sense because of the isolation and
Speaker 3: the loneliness that that was, you know, a common theme there.
Speaker 3: One good trend we have seen is younger Americans are
Speaker 3: drinking less. That's a really fantastic trend that we've seen.
Speaker 3: I think currently alcohol use disorder is our primary diagnosis
Speaker 3: that Recovery Centers of America in Massachusetts, so more than opiate's,
Speaker 3: more than any other illicit substance. Alcohols are primary diagnosis
Speaker 3: that we treat right now.
Speaker 2: Okay, I assume that opiate abuse can kill someone quickly
Speaker 2: or more quickly than alcohol abuse. But but but alcohol abuse,
Speaker 2: I assume is even more insidious as a consequence of that.
Speaker 2: Is that a general rule of thunders?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. In toxicology, there's
Speaker 3: a little phrase that it's not the drug that kills you,
Speaker 3: it's the dosage. Right, so you take one time in
Speaker 3: all your finally, if you swallow a bottle, it'll it'll
Speaker 3: kill you. So same thing with alcohol, it's about how
Speaker 3: much you consume. Same thing with opiates. You know, opious
Speaker 3: are a little more dangerous in the sense that a
Speaker 3: smaller physical amount can be more fatal than the same
Speaker 3: physical amount of alcohol. But alcohol in terms of numbers
Speaker 3: can be you know, extremely deadly and serious as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's talk generally for people who are out
Speaker 2: there and who are listening and are saying to the
Speaker 2: radio right now, well, yeah, I drink a little bit,
Speaker 2: but you know, I still function. I'm okay, what is
Speaker 2: the level and does of the amount of drinks, either wine, beer,
Speaker 2: or hard liquor that someone can deal with on an
Speaker 2: ongoing basis and basically not feel as if it's either
Speaker 2: taken over their life from an occupational point of view
Speaker 2: or from a physical or mental health point of view,
Speaker 2: or is any sure safe.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I'll just press this by saying no
Speaker 3: level of alcohol is safe. The old premise of one
Speaker 3: drink a day is protective for your health has really
Speaker 3: been debunked. That's not true anymore. Internationally, there's a consensus
Speaker 3: that alcohol in general is cardiotoxic neurotoxic. So I couldn't
Speaker 3: tell you that any amount is safe. But if you
Speaker 3: do drink and you want to be in moderation, what
Speaker 3: we worry about is binge drinking number one, which for
Speaker 3: males is five drinks or more in a two hour period,
Speaker 3: for females four drinks or more in a two hour period.
Speaker 3: And then the other thing we worry about is heavy drinking,
Speaker 3: and that's characterized by fifteen drinks or more per week
Speaker 3: in a male and eight or more drinks per week
Speaker 3: in a female.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter if it's you know, again, just
Speaker 2: to make it clear to my audience and everyone I'm
Speaker 2: sure is doing the math in the head right right now,
Speaker 2: doctor Jenkin, it doesn't matter. A glass of wine is
Speaker 2: the same as a light beer is the same as martini.
Speaker 3: Oh, I see what you're saying. Yeah, So what we
Speaker 3: call a standard drink, we're talking about fourteen grams of alcohol.
Speaker 3: So not to get two detailed for you, but for
Speaker 3: pure alcoholic's points, six ounces of alcohol equivalent to a
Speaker 3: twelve ounce speer. So when I say one drink, we're
Speaker 3: talking a twelve ounce beer or five ounces of wine,
Speaker 3: or one and a half ounces of a spirit.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we as we go forward here, what can
Speaker 2: people do who are listening tonight, who might be saying
Speaker 2: thinking to themselves, do I now have a problem based
Speaker 2: upon what doctor Jenkins has said? Are there surveys, you know,
Speaker 2: tests that people can can take through the recovery centers
Speaker 2: of America? What can people do? I mean, obviously, one
Speaker 2: thing you can do is talk to you doctor, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure that in the context of you know, doctor
Speaker 2: patient privilege, you can be honest with your doctor and
Speaker 2: say or oh, you know, here's what I do, doc.
Speaker 2: But what can what can they do in the meantime
Speaker 2: to get a real sense of where they might be
Speaker 2: if they're first of all, they're going to be honest,
Speaker 2: What should you do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you have a great point there, because
Speaker 3: the number of drinks is not necessarily as important. One
Speaker 3: thing we really worry about is does the person have
Speaker 3: control of their drinking? So if they have the inability
Speaker 3: to reduce their drinking or control their drinking, especially despite
Speaker 3: negative consequences like relationship problems or work problems, do you wise?
Speaker 3: That is one criteria that we characterize as alcohol use disorder,
Speaker 3: and that's a big problem. So if the person feels
Speaker 3: they can't control it despite negative consequences, that's an issue.
Speaker 3: And like you said, I would recommend talking to their
Speaker 3: physician first, talking to their primary care doctor as one step.
Speaker 3: Our team has a lot of resources to help you.
Speaker 3: Our website, you know, not even coming to Recovery Centers
Speaker 3: of America. You can come to our website and find
Speaker 3: a lot of resources there. It's Recovery Centers of America
Speaker 3: dot com. You can also call us twenty four hours
Speaker 3: a day if you want to, you know, talk about
Speaker 3: admission or even just talk about options that we have.
Speaker 3: And that's the number for us is one hundred recovery.
Speaker 3: So either way, whether you reach out to your doctor
Speaker 3: or to us, there's a lot of resources out there
Speaker 3: for help.
Speaker 2: Well, of course, dealing with your own doctor. You know,
Speaker 2: doctor patient privilege exists. Everyone understands that. Does someone can
Speaker 2: they call? Can they go on your website and we'll
Speaker 2: give that website in just a moment, in inanymity to
Speaker 2: not Some people get a little paranoid or I'm going
Speaker 2: to be traced here. It is my name going to
Speaker 2: be in a list somewhere. Do you do you track
Speaker 2: who calls or who?
Speaker 3: So we if you want to come into our facility,
Speaker 3: we would obviously need your name and your information. If
Speaker 3: you want to just call us to get advice, you know,
Speaker 3: we will talk to you regardless of if you want
Speaker 3: to tell us your name or not. That's absolutely fine.
Speaker 3: With addiction medicine, it's one hundred percent confidential. We actually
Speaker 3: fall onto more privacy restriction and laws federally because you're
Speaker 3: calling an addiction medicine center. So everything is one hundredercent confidential.
Speaker 2: With us, okay, And if they go to your website,
Speaker 2: it's not as if they're going to be tracked or
Speaker 2: they're going to get uh, you know, you know, solicitations
Speaker 2: and their and their you know, their their email address
Speaker 2: is going to be stockpiled somewhere. I just want to.
Speaker 3: Give now you people, we don't even need your email.
Speaker 3: You could just come to our website read, you know, learn,
Speaker 3: and just browse the website without in putting any information.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, perfect? Okay, website is.
Speaker 3: Recovery Centers of America dot com.
Speaker 2: Could be easier. Recovery Centers of America dot com. Doctor
Speaker 2: Miles Jenkins, thank you so much. Great great answers to
Speaker 2: my questions. And I think those are the questions that
Speaker 2: a lot of people might have had as they were listening.
Speaker 2: So you did a great job and I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for talking again.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Very welcome. We get back going to talk about the
Speaker 2: fifty greatest athletes in Boston sports history. You don't have
Speaker 2: to make a list, but you may maybe make a
Speaker 2: list in your own mind of five or ten and
Speaker 2: we'll see if they're they're kind of going to talk.
Speaker 2: The author and sportswriter Martin Gitlan coming right back on
Speaker 2: night Side after this break.
Speaker 1: It's Nightside with Dan Ray on w B Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Delighted to be joined by Marty Gitlan. Marty has written
Speaker 2: a book about the fifty greatest athletes in Boston sports history.
Speaker 2: Marty Gitland, Welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 4: How are you good? Just great?
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 2: It looks to me like you've done similar work for
Speaker 2: the in Saint Louis, a book about the Cardinals, a
Speaker 2: book about the New York Yankees, and the Detroit Tigers
Speaker 2: is the and it looks like they may be others now.
Speaker 5: And this the one on this, the one on the
Speaker 5: Red Sox.
Speaker 2: Well, I got the Red Sox here, Yeah, I got
Speaker 2: the Red Sox about the Indians, Yeah, I got it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did well. It was a seventh right. The
Speaker 5: publisher wanted me to keep brought in. The first ones
Speaker 5: I wrote were the Red Sox and the Cleveland Indian.
Speaker 5: I was a sports writer and Cleveland for many, many years.
Speaker 5: But anyway, those are the first ones I wanted to
Speaker 5: do because it was we were ended up doing a series.
Speaker 2: Were with the Plane Dealer.
Speaker 5: I was with the newth Hail that was the largest
Speaker 5: suburban daily in Ohio at the time UH in the nineties,
Speaker 5: and then I covered the Cleveland Browns actually for CBS
Speaker 5: Sports UH from two thousand nine of twenty twelve. That
Speaker 5: was a difficult situation because they were awful every single
Speaker 5: year for.
Speaker 2: A long time.
Speaker 6: You know, since they have well and well, yeah that
Speaker 6: goes back aways, but no, they were good and they
Speaker 6: with Birdie Coast are in the late eighties and for
Speaker 6: a while.
Speaker 5: But they they've been pretty.
Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't really get Yeah, they went.
Speaker 5: To the AFC Championship three times, but they didn't get
Speaker 5: to the Super Bowl. And the Browns are the Browns
Speaker 5: and the Lions are the only two long established teams
Speaker 5: that have never been to Super Bowl. So there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when when Bobby Lane comes out of retirement
Speaker 2: for the for the Lions, I think they're going to
Speaker 2: be in a lot. I have a great friend of
Speaker 2: mine down in the Cape who lives and dies with
Speaker 2: the Cleveland Browns. Greg is his first time. Yes, let
Speaker 2: me tell you. Every Sunday he is there figuring out
Speaker 2: watching somehow gets the Browns game. So let's talk about
Speaker 2: your book, which is the the book of the fifty
Speaker 2: greatest athletes in Boston sports history. Let me just look,
Speaker 2: everybody knows you're going to have Bobby Orr in there, right.
Speaker 2: I assume Phil Esposito's going to be in there as well.
Speaker 2: In terms of hockey. Yeah, I assume you got Bill Russell,
Speaker 2: Bob Coosey, you got Havlechek. I'm assuming you know guy
Speaker 2: played it when was a tryout, was drafted by the
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns, and a pretty good basketball player.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, Okay.
Speaker 2: In the Red Sox, we know we got Williams, Yastremsky
Speaker 2: and Rice. I assume we got left field covered right,
Speaker 2: Carlton Fisk, Pedro, Louis Tiant Clemens. We got all of that,
Speaker 2: and football Brady, et cetera. Let's talk about some of
Speaker 2: the lesson own athletes that you might have. Okay, how
Speaker 2: about Boston's Marathon Billy Rogers.
Speaker 5: No, now you're talking about these are? These are My
Speaker 5: book is about athletes that wore Boston uniforms. We're talking
Speaker 5: Red Sox games, Red Sox, Celtics, Patriots, and the Bruins.
Speaker 5: And then there's another section that towards the end of
Speaker 5: the book about athletes that were from Boston, that were
Speaker 5: from the Boston Rocky Marciano and so forth. And I
Speaker 5: just listed those.
Speaker 2: But the Marvin Hage. Okay, So, so we're talking about
Speaker 2: fifty athletes from the four major sports teams. I got it.
Speaker 2: I got it Red Sox Celtics.
Speaker 5: And I ranked them, which is a difficult thing to
Speaker 5: do because you know, generally books are written about one
Speaker 5: particular team, but one particular athlete. But I what I
Speaker 5: wanted to do here was rank the fifty greatest Boston athletes.
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's let's let's win. Let's win some
Speaker 2: people's appetizing. We're not going to give the story away.
Speaker 2: I promise you that many Okay, not a problem. Let's
Speaker 2: go all the way down to number fifty. Someone has
Speaker 2: to be in your opinion, the fiftieth just made the list.
Speaker 2: So can you tell us who was fifty and who
Speaker 2: was closest to fifty that didn't make the list?
Speaker 5: Well, well, you talked about Louis Tiant. He didn't make
Speaker 5: the list. I mean, you know the greatness of all
Speaker 5: these unbelievable athletes. But number fifty was Lefty Grove. Now
Speaker 5: LEFTI Grove was a picture in the nineteen thirties that
Speaker 5: they got from the Philadelphia A's, and he spent a
Speaker 5: lot of his time with the A's. And the one
Speaker 5: of the drawbacks of some of these athletes was that
Speaker 5: just didn't spend enough time in Boston uniforms, so they
Speaker 5: were you know, they were limited that way. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 5: it was one of the interesting guys. I think one
Speaker 5: of the most fascinating guys that I ended up researching
Speaker 5: was guy named Tiny Thompson, Cecil Thompson. He was world
Speaker 5: way back when, a goaltender, yes, way way way back when.
Speaker 5: And yeah, and so I found that found him to
Speaker 5: be interesting. But you know, there were other athletes who
Speaker 5: I mean, Roger Clemens. I I ranked a number thirty seven,
Speaker 5: and one of the reasons I didn't have him higher
Speaker 5: was because of the the steroid accusations and also he
Speaker 5: pitched for other organizations for sure, sure, okay, right, sure, yeah,
Speaker 5: And you know, so.
Speaker 2: It's I gotta go to I gotta go to bat
Speaker 2: for Louis. I mean obviously pitched Twins. Yeah, pitched to
Speaker 2: the Indians. But Louis is a folk hero and a
Speaker 2: great and should be in.
Speaker 5: And he was a cigar smoker. Yeah he was.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not saying I'm not well, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying he was the best conditioned athlete.
Speaker 5: Oh no, No, I was just I was just throwing
Speaker 5: that out there. But the big cigars that he's. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he was probably if I if I had gone to
Speaker 5: seventy five. But don't forget. He spent a huge number
Speaker 5: of years with the Indians as well.
Speaker 2: He had a few years with the Indies. Ye had
Speaker 2: a couple.
Speaker 5: Well, he was with the Twins with sixty four through
Speaker 5: through nineteen sixty nine, so we had sticked six years
Speaker 5: with Indians. Then he spent some time with the Twins,
Speaker 5: but he was, Yeah, he was with the Red Sox
Speaker 5: for quite some time. Don't forget.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a little I'll give you Marty a
Speaker 2: little trivia on Louis Tiant. Okay, the Red Sox through
Speaker 2: a pitcher who did will not make the list, throw
Speaker 2: no hit or Dave moorehead against the Indians.
Speaker 5: Yeah, September sixteen sixty six.
Speaker 2: I believe it was September sixteenth, Thursday afternoon. I had
Speaker 2: a couple of friends of mine and Moore had probably
Speaker 2: won fifteen games twenty games in his career, a pretty
Speaker 2: good pitcher, but just his arm went on him. He'd
Speaker 2: beat Tea on that day two zip.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Kean kind of fell apart in when the
Speaker 5: lower the Mountains nine he lost twenty games that year
Speaker 5: after she He probably should have won the Syug Award
Speaker 5: over Jenny McClain in sixty eight, but Denny Klayin won
Speaker 5: thirty one games. The difference was that Louis Tian had
Speaker 5: a significantly lower era than Denny McLain did that year.
Speaker 5: He just didn't The Indians could not hit at all
Speaker 5: and they didn't give him any run support whatsoever. And
Speaker 5: the Tigers obviously had a much better hitting team in
Speaker 5: sixty eight and then they and they won the you know,
Speaker 5: they won the world. Seriously, I think they hit hit.
Speaker 2: The Indians had that power. Hited Vic Davilo roaming center.
Speaker 2: So let's let's talk. We only got about a minute
Speaker 2: left here. So how can folks get the book? We
Speaker 2: haven't given away the story yet, right. I hope Dwight,
Speaker 2: by the way, let me ask you one. I hope
Speaker 2: Dwight Evans made this list.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Dewey's in there. Absolutely another guy we had
Speaker 5: great rate on. Yes, he's He's definitely borderline Hall of Famer,
Speaker 5: no doubt about it. Harold if yea, If Harold Bains
Speaker 5: is in, he should be in h But anyway, uh,
Speaker 5: they can go. The book is will be coming out
Speaker 5: around early May and and they can get it on Amazon.
Speaker 5: But they also if they want to get an autographed
Speaker 5: and personalized copy of the book, Uh, they should facebook me.
Speaker 5: Just send me a Facebook message. Marty Gitland g I
Speaker 5: t l I N. Marity g I t l I N.
Speaker 5: Send me a Facebook message and I will put you
Speaker 5: on the list. There's a it's already starting to form
Speaker 5: a little bit and a list of all the people
Speaker 5: that I'm going to be sending books to autographed and personalized.
Speaker 2: I will remind I will remind people it is a
Speaker 2: great Father's Day gift. There's no question about that. One
Speaker 2: more question in hockey. I hope you had Milt Schmidt
Speaker 2: on that list.
Speaker 5: Uh. Yes, Milt Schmid is in the book. And there's
Speaker 5: you know, it's it's pretty no Smith number thirty four. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's pretty balanced between And that's just goes to show.
Speaker 5: I mean, yoused to see the top five I have
Speaker 5: and I'm not gonna reveal it. She is just absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5: I don't think any city in America. Way, if I
Speaker 5: did the same book for any city in America, the
Speaker 5: top five would be as.
Speaker 2: Look, I'll give you four of the job five, Ted Williams,
Speaker 2: Bobby or Bill Russell and Tom Brady.
Speaker 5: You got it, and number five shouldn't be that hard either.
Speaker 5: But I'm not going to tell you the order.
Speaker 2: Kyu Stremski.
Speaker 5: No, no, it wasn't a baseball player.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, I will I will let you run
Speaker 2: at that point, Marty Gitland. Yeah, I love to have
Speaker 2: you back. I love sports. This is unfortunately a brief.
Speaker 2: We might be able to do an hour when the
Speaker 2: book comes out. Have your pr people called my producer,
Speaker 2: and maybe we can get some people call up and
Speaker 2: make some arguments. I'll argue for Louis Tiant, and other
Speaker 2: people might argue for someone else. We'll figure it out. Okay,
Speaker 2: fair enough, all right, you should have been my buddy
Speaker 2: Ted Lepsio. Somewhere in the book I suspect not but
Speaker 2: ted Lepsio. Uh. In terms of being a good, great
Speaker 2: athlete and a and a wonderful human being, he's top fifty.
Speaker 2: Actually he's right at the top. That's just a personal ship.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it sounds great. I'd love to come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He played for the Tigers, by the way, briefly
Speaker 2: played for a few teams briefly. Thanks again, Money we'll
Speaker 2: talk away. All right, you bet you. There comes the
Speaker 2: news at the bottom of the air. We're going to
Speaker 2: switch to hockey coming up next. It's going to sound
Speaker 2: like a sports show. We'll talk about spring allergies later,
Speaker 2: but we're going to talk about a team that I
Speaker 2: had never heard of, called the Columbus Chill. They basically
Speaker 2: paved the way for the NHL's Columbus Blue Jackets. We
Speaker 2: will explain with the author of another book when I
Speaker 2: get a couple of sports guys to talk about I'm
Speaker 2: in heaven. We'll be back right after this on night Side.
Speaker 2: My name's Dan Ray.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's Whose Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm delighted to welcome doctor David pat Patson.
Speaker 2: Doctor Patson, how are you tonight?
Speaker 4: I'm doing great?
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: So you were the general manager, uh and the team
Speaker 2: president of the Chill Factor. So you're you co wrote
Speaker 2: this book with a fellow named Craig Mertz. But you
Speaker 2: live this dream and uh, what were you in the
Speaker 2: East Coast? The East East Coast talking?
Speaker 4: Yeah, East Coast talk and yeah, Columbus Chill.
Speaker 2: I'd uh from a client of mine who ended up
Speaker 2: coaching in that lege as a matter of fact. So
Speaker 2: I know a lot of about the league. But so
Speaker 2: are you you must be I assume a guy from
Speaker 2: uh what type of doctor? Are you a physician?
Speaker 4: No educational leadership?
Speaker 2: Fear enough? Okay, So I assume you're Columbus based and
Speaker 2: you you were able to get the team uh in
Speaker 2: in Columbus, and I guess it was. It says you
Speaker 2: were using Vekian marketing tactics. I know what Vekian marketing
Speaker 2: tactics are. You were doing everything you were turning you
Speaker 2: were turning the game, uh into entertainment and uh what
Speaker 2: were you guys drawing? How big? Were you? Playing in
Speaker 2: an older barn and older arena.
Speaker 4: Is our our facility? Facility was built in nineteen seventeen.
Speaker 4: I think we were playing in the oldest hockey arena
Speaker 4: in North America and h Boston at older I played it,
Speaker 4: maybe me, but uh yeah, we East coastalk the league.
Speaker 4: So that's equivalent of you know, I was in a
Speaker 4: baseball Reford Double A and uh uh uh are we
Speaker 4: had sixty about six thousand seats and we you know,
Speaker 4: had a lot of success in terms of sellouts and
Speaker 4: everything else. But there's really something that grand Columbus's attention.
Speaker 4: You know, it's a you know, this is a Buckeye.
Speaker 2: Town state O s U. You got it.
Speaker 4: State. It remains king of our state. Football remains king,
Speaker 4: but hockey has its place today with the Blue Jackets,
Speaker 4: and obviously that is a It was a major thing
Speaker 4: for the city and breakthrough.
Speaker 2: And people to get the Columbus crew and by the way,
Speaker 2: doctor Patson, people here in New England's to get the
Speaker 2: Columbus is the capital city. Many people think it must
Speaker 2: be Cincinnati or Cleveland. Columbus is the capital.
Speaker 4: From a city standpoint. It's also the largest city, although
Speaker 4: the metro are is a little bit bigger in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't realize it was that it was that large.
Speaker 2: So any of your players during that period of time,
Speaker 2: it's tough to get from the e HL to the NHL.
Speaker 2: Any of your guys make it up to the NHL.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had We had a half a dozen a
Speaker 4: dozen that did. Most of them were cup of coffee
Speaker 4: sort of got but we had players that went on
Speaker 4: and are still you know, uh major players. On the
Speaker 4: front office side of things, Uh well, dot Don Grenado
Speaker 4: who coached in Buffalo most recently head coach of the Sabers.
Speaker 4: Was both a player force at the beginning of our franchise,
Speaker 4: which only ran eight years before it gave way to
Speaker 4: the Jackets. So uh for two years as a player
Speaker 4: and then uh, then he got into coaching and they
Speaker 4: came back to coach us for the last two years
Speaker 4: of the franchise.
Speaker 2: So he must be a member, he said Granado. Is
Speaker 2: he a member of the of Tony Grenado's family and
Speaker 2: all that's a big Tony Cammy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we watched Cammy Cammy very closely during that time too.
Speaker 2: The South. They grew up in the South throw here
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, south throw of Boston, so we looked back.
Speaker 2: We claimed them as Boston people at this point. So
Speaker 2: let me ask you as you as you move around,
Speaker 2: you're still based? Are you still based in Columbus?
Speaker 4: Well, I was here. I came to Columbus for to
Speaker 4: start hockey, uh, and I had I had worked in
Speaker 4: it previously for three years in Indianapa. It was part
Speaker 4: of starting a franchise there in the IHL, But came
Speaker 4: to Columbus for this and spent eighteen years in it
Speaker 4: in Columbus and then and then won a different route
Speaker 4: and intercollegiate athletics for a while, and then most recently
Speaker 4: came back in the last oh gosh, almost two years
Speaker 4: now to run a the Columbus theory of the pro
Speaker 4: Volleyball Federation's Women's Professional League, just in its second year.
Speaker 2: Well that's quite a And at the same time you
Speaker 2: said that you you were involved in academics.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I did. I taught for a couple of
Speaker 4: years and I kind of set myself up for that
Speaker 4: that that was the primary reason for doctorate. But I
Speaker 4: also was aspiring a d which I was able to
Speaker 4: do on the Division two school in northern Michigan, OPA
Speaker 4: Lake Superior State.
Speaker 2: So a couple of collegiate experiences period. You said, Lake
Speaker 2: Superior State. Yeah, that's played Locker school. They won, They
Speaker 2: won the NCAA, They won the Frozen four and.
Speaker 4: Block nineteen ninety nineteen ninety four national champions I was
Speaker 4: I was a part of any of those.
Speaker 2: Well, I know, but Locker was there the first year,
Speaker 2: and he came with the Bruins and he and he
Speaker 2: was a pretty good goaltender here for a little while,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, the bottom the bottom
Speaker 2: fell out. As has happened with a bunch of goaltenders, uh,
Speaker 2: you know around the league. I'm sure that you remember
Speaker 2: Steve Penny with the Canadians, who was who looked like
Speaker 2: the second coming of Jacques plant and didn't quite didn't
Speaker 2: quite work out, and Locker was kind of the same
Speaker 2: way here here in Boston. Well, that's an interesting experience.
Speaker 2: So when does the book come out? It's the book
Speaker 2: out already.
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's out, it's out, it's been out for
Speaker 4: a bit, but it's uh, you know, uh, he'd find
Speaker 4: it be a Skyhorse Publishing, Amazon, Okay, on all that,
Speaker 4: it's readily available out there. Yeah, but we have the
Speaker 4: story of I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, it was saying Boston's a hockey as I'm sure
Speaker 2: you know think of ourselves as a baseball town and
Speaker 2: and a hockey town. A basket Well, got a great
Speaker 2: basketball team, and the Patriots of course are extraordinary. Uh,
Speaker 2: but they're in Foxborough and so they're they're Boston, close
Speaker 2: to Boston. But it's still hockey in baseball in Boston.
Speaker 2: And hopefully some of our listeners will be interested because
Speaker 2: I think these are the great stories. Chill Factor, how
Speaker 2: a minor League hockey team changed the city forever. That
Speaker 2: is so so true. Congratulations on the book, and congratulations
Speaker 2: on a career. You're still working in any way, shape
Speaker 2: or form in relation to the game at.
Speaker 4: All or or yeah, not not in hockey, although I'm
Speaker 4: really proud of what we did here in Columbus. We
Speaker 4: also built the ice rinks that were in the city
Speaker 4: called the Chillers, and they, you know, it's just become
Speaker 4: a fabric in the community. Hockey is huge in Columbus,
Speaker 4: and you know, when we came to town all those
Speaker 4: years ago with the minor league, you know, we were
Speaker 4: just hoping not to fall on our face. And so
Speaker 4: the book itself tells a little bit of that story
Speaker 4: of you know, trying to get something underway and then
Speaker 4: how one domino after another starts to fall where it
Speaker 4: just leads to this interest in securing uh an NHL
Speaker 4: team for Columbus, and that there's a lot to the store.
Speaker 4: I can't possibly get into the detail, but.
Speaker 2: I want people, I want people to buy the book.
Speaker 2: Just remember this. Uh, the Blue Jackets are part of
Speaker 2: the original thirty two.
Speaker 4: Hey, I was you know, when I was growing up,
Speaker 4: I did I was a brewing stand just so you know,
Speaker 4: I Bobby or Era. So it was a little while
Speaker 4: back for me. I was I was a small kid,
Speaker 4: but I was a I was a fan.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, Bobby were is one of the great
Speaker 2: guys if you ever had a chance to meet him.
Speaker 2: But he's one of the class acts and in professional sports.
Speaker 2: I've known Bobby a little question. Dave Patson, Thank you
Speaker 2: so much for your time, doctor David Patson. And the
Speaker 2: book is Chill Factor How a minor league hockey team
Speaker 2: changed city forever again. Great Father's Day gifts, folks, for
Speaker 2: your dad if he happens to be or your granddad
Speaker 2: if they happen to be a hockey fan. And very
Speaker 2: few people aren't hockey fans here in the New England area. Thanks. Thanks, King,
Speaker 2: appreciate it very Thank.
Speaker 4: You so much. All right, talk to you here.
Speaker 2: Thanks again. I love interviews like that. I hope you can.
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Speaker 2: sixty five days a year, three sixty six during a
Speaker 2: leap year, and twenty four to seven. We're gonna come
Speaker 2: back and we're going to talk about something which is
Speaker 2: not a as much fun as hockey or great athletes
Speaker 2: in Boston. We're going to talk about the spring allergy season,
Speaker 2: which unfortunately is upon us. Back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, spring is right around the corner. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: how long that corner is because it's been kind of
Speaker 2: chilly here in New England, but it's coming and I'm
Speaker 2: going to talk with Ashley McPhillips. She's a CDs pharmacist
Speaker 2: and district leader about the spring allergy season. Well, we
Speaker 2: love spring, we love the Red Sox, and we love baseball.
Speaker 2: Not so keen about allergy season. But I'll bet you
Speaker 2: have some ways that we can make the allergy season
Speaker 2: a little less severe than it normally is here in
Speaker 2: New England. Welcome Ashley McPhillips. How are you tonight?
Speaker 7: Good?
Speaker 5: How are you?
Speaker 7: Thank you so much for having me tonight. I am
Speaker 7: very excited to talk about tips and you know, medications
Speaker 7: and solutions to help our patients and people in the
Speaker 7: community deal with their seasonal allergies.
Speaker 2: So what's what's what's the best because I always get confused.
Speaker 2: Is it id propin, is it tylenol? Is it regular
Speaker 2: or whatever? Sprays? What? What? What? What is the best? What? What?
Speaker 2: What can? What? What's the best thing you suggest other
Speaker 2: than staying indoors, And even indoors allergies can get you.
Speaker 7: So what I usually suggest is obviously consulting with your
Speaker 7: healthcare provider, your local pharmacists. There's three categories for seasonal allergies,
Speaker 7: including anti hystamines. Those are your you know, CBS loraratodine
Speaker 7: or clareny, your fecsopenidine which is allegra, or your zertec
Speaker 7: which is satirizine. We also have nasal decongestions for those
Speaker 7: that are suffering from nasal congestion. And then we also
Speaker 7: have a bunch of different nasal corticosteroids that really help
Speaker 7: with the inflammation for those also struggling with the congestion
Speaker 7: as well. So sometimes you really need to try a
Speaker 7: couple of different types of medication until you really learn
Speaker 7: what works best for you. What works well for you
Speaker 7: might not work well for me. It is important, though,
Speaker 7: with these types of medications to always run it by
Speaker 7: a healthcare provider, especially or pharmacists, because there are certain
Speaker 7: health conditions where, for instance, you wouldn't be allowed to
Speaker 7: take a decongestent. This could be high blood pressure or hypertension,
Speaker 7: cardiovascular disease, or even hyperthyroidism. So it's always good to
Speaker 7: have that one on one discussion to really know where
Speaker 7: to start your doctors.
Speaker 2: Your doctor obviously is going to be the best advice
Speaker 2: on that. There's some other things that that are important here. Look,
Speaker 2: when when stuff's floating around in the air, I guess
Speaker 2: one thing is to keep the windows in your house closed.
Speaker 2: You know, if and and and spend and don't hesitate
Speaker 2: to go out on rainy days because that's when when
Speaker 2: the pollen is getting knocked down.
Speaker 7: Right, So so precipitation can actually cause the pond to
Speaker 7: go higher. For instance, this Saturday, we're going to be
Speaker 7: at a high level of pollen. That's because rain can
Speaker 7: actually cause pollen clumps to get smaller in particles, which
Speaker 7: can increase the levels. But they do recommend keeping your
Speaker 7: windows closed. Also not to use window fans. These are
Speaker 7: some things that can really increase bringing the pollen allergens
Speaker 7: into your house. Also recommended when you go outside to
Speaker 7: where sun bosses to avoid them getting into your eyes
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to say you it's it's it's a tough time
Speaker 2: of year for people who are impacted. What percentage of
Speaker 2: people actually are impacted during the spring allergy season? I
Speaker 2: realized that at different times during the year there are
Speaker 2: different allergens. But what percentage of the public is going
Speaker 2: to have some days of discomfort during the spring? Do
Speaker 2: you have any numbers on that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so it's actually more than a quarter. So more
Speaker 7: than twenty five percent of adults experience seasonal allergies and
Speaker 7: about twenty percent of children. So it is pretty significant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's significant, and it's and it can really it
Speaker 2: can impact you. It's not serious in the sense that
Speaker 2: it's going to put you in the hospital. I guess
Speaker 2: there could be some that could, but the fact of
Speaker 2: the matter is if you stay ahead of it. One
Speaker 2: of the things that people need to do is maybe
Speaker 2: take showers a little bit more frequently and wash your
Speaker 2: clothes a little bit more frequently so you're not bringing
Speaker 2: that pollen.
Speaker 3: Into the house exactly.
Speaker 7: So they actually recommend that not only your clothing, but
Speaker 7: you're betting it's super important to wash it in hot
Speaker 7: water to remove those allergens, something that you know you
Speaker 7: definitely want to do regularly. You never want to wear,
Speaker 7: you know, the same clothes twice in a row without
Speaker 7: washing them, because those will stay on there and continue
Speaker 7: to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's I tend to probably fit and they
Speaker 2: get into that category where you know, something is nice
Speaker 2: and clean, where I'm not doing a lot of yard work,
Speaker 2: so I figure, I don't even think about allergies. And
Speaker 2: you pull on the same pyropeans for a couple of
Speaker 2: days in a row with a maybe in the same sweatshirt,
Speaker 2: and that that's a good little tip. There any other
Speaker 2: quick and easy tips that you think you can give
Speaker 2: us in the last thirty or so seconds that we have.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So Also, we are also discussed making sure you
Speaker 7: know other allergens can be like coming into a house,
Speaker 7: so you want to vacuum often. That's something that will
Speaker 7: help minimize the irritants. Make sure to keep your humidity
Speaker 7: levels below fifty percent as well, and minimize the number
Speaker 7: of markets in your home, because if you do have
Speaker 7: days that you have the windows open, those allergies are
Speaker 7: going to come in and they're going to want to
Speaker 7: stick on your carpet and then be circulating in the.
Speaker 4: Air for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not too much you can do about that, though,
Speaker 2: if you have wall to wall carpeting, you're not going
Speaker 2: to take it out in April.
Speaker 7: Just vacuuming regularly. And it is important to note you
Speaker 7: did say that not you know, no one's going to
Speaker 7: get hospitalized from this, but there are people who have
Speaker 7: severe seasonal allergies. They're just moderate that it can irritate
Speaker 7: their asthma and cause a flare or attack. So patients
Speaker 7: that have underlying health conditions we have to really be
Speaker 7: careful with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think those people probably have experienced those
Speaker 2: situations before and they're probably more aware of it than
Speaker 2: any one of us. Ashley, thank you very much for
Speaker 2: your time. Always nice to talk with you, and thanks
Speaker 2: for the tips on the spring allergy season. Whatever aggravation.
Speaker 2: It's better than winter as far as I'm concerned, though.
Speaker 7: Thanks Ashley, thank you so much for your pharmacists today
Speaker 7: for advice.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, you're very welcome. Uh. When we uh,
Speaker 2: when we get back, we're going to talk about the
Speaker 2: big story of the day, and that is what President
Speaker 2: Trump is calling it, Liberdation Liberal liberation Day. Uh. And
Speaker 2: with us we'll be Boston Globe Business and Finance columnist
Speaker 2: Larry Edelman, and uh, we're going to open this up.
Speaker 2: And I mean, the stock market is going to take
Speaker 2: a huge hit tomorrow if the futures are at all
Speaker 2: any indication of it. I know a lot of you
Speaker 2: are going to want to talk about smooth Heartley from
Speaker 2: about one hundred years ago. Uh, but look, this is
Speaker 2: what he promised, and this is what he's going to do,
Speaker 2: and what he did this afternoon at four o'clock in
Speaker 2: the Rose Garden. We're coming back on night's side right
Speaker 2: after the nine o'clock news