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<v Speaker 1>Sturdy hands means queen theology.

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<v Speaker 2>Kenyon, Well, everybody, we're back. We're back in the house

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<v Speaker 2>down justin So sorry all you long's distance pals you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't get to hear it today. But but today we're

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<v Speaker 2>lucky enough to have Vicky Joy Anderson with us, the

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<v Speaker 2>author of They Only Come Out at Night. We've talked

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<v Speaker 2>to her in the past. It's been it was a

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even tell you how many things went wrong

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<v Speaker 2>that night as far as the all the different mechanical

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, electronic issues that we had were unbelievable,

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<v Speaker 2>And somehow God still let that episode be made really

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<v Speaker 2>important information and really delving into some deep stuff that's

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<v Speaker 2>not really talked about a lot. But we wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>bring her back for the topic that we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get in today. But we'll get into that in a

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<v Speaker 2>few minutes. But I think we should jump in to

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<v Speaker 2>some prayer right away. What do you think, Ben?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Dear Lord, thank you for everything you've given us.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for allowing us to have this time together

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<v Speaker 2>to really look into your word and to use that

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<v Speaker 2>to help us make good decisions in our lives and

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<v Speaker 2>to really seek you the way that you want us

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<v Speaker 2>to seek. You, Lord, just continue to bless us, help

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<v Speaker 2>us reach that one person out there that really needs

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<v Speaker 2>to hear this message. And your name be pray Lord. Amen.

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<v Speaker 3>Amen.

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<v Speaker 2>So today we decided a little bit. It's something that's

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<v Speaker 2>been kind of eating at me a little bit because

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks ago I saw an article pop

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<v Speaker 2>up Aaron Rodgers, the quarterback for the New York Jets,

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<v Speaker 2>actually speaking at the Psychedelic Conference out in Denver and

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<v Speaker 2>with them legalizing the psychedelic class at drugs for even

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<v Speaker 2>recreational use. And it's a slippery slope and a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>scary thing considering if you remember, they were the first

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<v Speaker 2>state to legalize marijuana. And it's just kind of we're

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<v Speaker 2>starting to see a snowball effect and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>only going to get worse. But before we get into it, VICKI,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing great. Great to be back on you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We are excited, Ben, are you excited?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, A few words, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Been a day.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that you got lost. You got what is

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<v Speaker 2>that today that happened on the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Your car broke down? No, work truck.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, fuel pump quit. Luckily we're just right outside of

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<v Speaker 1>the plant we worked in. We still had to push

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<v Speaker 1>you down the road. Got a little extra workout, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I had my workout for the day for the week

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<v Speaker 1>for that. I don't work out, VICKI anything new happening

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<v Speaker 1>with you? Anything, any projects on the horizon. You can

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<v Speaker 1>talk about? The conference coming up?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yep, go there for is coming up end of

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<v Speaker 4>July in the Dayton area of Ohio. This is doctor

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<v Speaker 4>Mike Spaulding. Of course he's been doing this for years.

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<v Speaker 4>So we'll be out there and all the usual suspects

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<v Speaker 4>will be there with me, all of our favorites that

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<v Speaker 4>my buddy, Tom Dunn and Kenny c will be there.

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<v Speaker 4>But then we've got coach Dave and Michael Lake, David Hebner,

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<v Speaker 4>doctor Sharon Tenpenny, Casper McLeod. I know I'm missing people.

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<v Speaker 4>Greg Reid will be there. He's one of my buddies,

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<v Speaker 4>so that'll be great. I think you can still register

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<v Speaker 4>for that. I think if you go to go there

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<v Speaker 4>for dot com or something like that, it might be

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<v Speaker 4>go there for conference dot com. But we'd love to

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<v Speaker 4>see out there. But yeah, everything's going great, still going

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<v Speaker 4>strong with I'm doing through the black Stuff. We're kind

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<v Speaker 4>of taking some of the summer off, but I'm working

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<v Speaker 4>on another book and I've got some really cool stuff

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<v Speaker 4>coming up this year by way of of Opportunities. So

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<v Speaker 4>more on that later.

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<v Speaker 2>I look forward to that. Is there any spoilers you

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<v Speaker 2>can give us or is it? Is it top secret?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>It's top secret, So everybody, everybody, stay on the edge

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<v Speaker 2>of your seat because it's coming. If you if you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't read, they only come out at night, please please,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's under La Marzouli's label.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, yep, Spiral of Life, yep, Lamarzuoli dot net. To

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<v Speaker 4>get a copy of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I highly recommend it, Vicky, And I'm not just saying

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<v Speaker 2>that because you're on here. You are a phenomenal writer.

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<v Speaker 2>The way that you piece that together and the I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, just the way you portray it, it's very

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<v Speaker 2>It puts you in, it puts you there, which actually

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<v Speaker 2>I wish you were a little worse writer because it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of scared me reading it a spots. So I

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<v Speaker 2>do appreciate that a lot though it was an excellent.

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<v Speaker 4>Book, So thank you so much. I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>So go out and please please uh get a copy

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<v Speaker 2>of that book. It's phenomenal. But onto this the subject

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<v Speaker 2>at hand here talking about that psychedelic or hallucinogenic, I

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<v Speaker 2>said it right, all right, I know, I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>I struggle with that word. But onto that if I

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<v Speaker 2>told you it kind of with the Aaron Rodgers thing

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<v Speaker 2>coming up the last couple of weeks, and and and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of, he was a big fan of ayahuasca and

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<v Speaker 2>this is something that came out with the with the

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<v Speaker 2>League with a few different things, and he were they

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to determine whether or not it was legal

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<v Speaker 2>or illegal for him to do it, and all these

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<v Speaker 2>different things. But he's really stuck by his guns on

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<v Speaker 2>this and and and he has some It's interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>he has some interesting ideas on this, which like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a scary, slippery slow like we talked about. But he

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<v Speaker 2>called the use of this drug radically life changing. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's when he was just speaking at that Denver Psychedelics

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<v Speaker 2>conference that we were talking about. And he really starts pushing.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you listen and you read people who are

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<v Speaker 2>highly impressionable, people who really look to their role models,

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<v Speaker 2>people who look to these celebrities for the way that

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<v Speaker 2>they should live their life, which is kind of scary,

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<v Speaker 2>but it happens a lot more in our society than

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<v Speaker 2>people like to think. He says, is it not ironic

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<v Speaker 2>that the things that actually expand your mind are illegal

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<v Speaker 2>and the things that dumb you down have been legal

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<v Speaker 2>for centuries? So he's pushing these things and it's and

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<v Speaker 2>he even had he took it. He used ayahuasca in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty and twenty twenty one when he won the

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<v Speaker 2>MVP those two seasons in the in the league, in

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<v Speaker 2>the NFL, and he says, it's not a coincidence. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the universe bringing things to happen when they are supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. Seeing this, you know, it's almost a new age.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it is a new ag thing where we talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this, you know, enlightenment or or this either finding

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<v Speaker 2>your inner self, which some people believe those trips are,

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<v Speaker 2>or potentially getting information relayed to you from another entity,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, whether it's God or whatever you may think

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<v Speaker 2>it is. But one other very interesting thing the way

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<v Speaker 2>he said that is I guarantee you all the bums

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<v Speaker 2>who want to come after me online about my experience

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff. They've never tried it. They're the perfect people

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<v Speaker 2>for it. We need to get these people taking it.

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<v Speaker 2>So not only not only is he taking it for

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<v Speaker 2>his self, but he is encouraging this out to the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the public, which is unfortunately when when people

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<v Speaker 2>like this get the limelight, right, this is pushed on

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<v Speaker 2>our society. This is pushed out there and people are

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<v Speaker 2>much more apt it gets it gets a lot more exposure,

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<v Speaker 2>and people are much more apt to say, well, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>if he's doing it, you know, can't be that bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, here's what's wrong with that theory. First of all,

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<v Speaker 4>I'll preface what I'm about to say with this. I

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<v Speaker 4>believe Aaron Rodgers is the same guy who was in

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<v Speaker 4>the news that after he had done ayahuasca twice. Now

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<v Speaker 4>in waking life, he sees the shadow Man following him

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<v Speaker 4>all over the place. So you know, there's the other

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<v Speaker 4>side of it. Well, whatever happens in these other dimensions,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's the astral plane, they have all sorts of fun,

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<v Speaker 4>super cool, trendy names for it now, and they don't

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<v Speaker 4>say astral all the time. They'll come up with some

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<v Speaker 4>quantum sort of cool sounding sci fi. So now you're

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<v Speaker 4>in a liminal space, or you're in the metaverse, or

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<v Speaker 4>you're in hyperspace, or you're in a fractal dimension, they

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<v Speaker 4>whatever you want to call it, whatever happens there, there

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<v Speaker 4>are things that attach in that realm that come back

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<v Speaker 4>into the physical realm with you. We see this caricaturized

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<v Speaker 4>in horror movie and sci fi films all the time,

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<v Speaker 4>even Nightmare on Elm Street being a classic example. They'd

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<v Speaker 4>have these dreams, but then they would see Freddie in

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<v Speaker 4>real life and he'd be chasing them.

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<v Speaker 2>And I judge them.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's based on some truth in plain sight there.

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<v Speaker 4>But regardless, this is the one thing I'd want to

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<v Speaker 4>get out for the masses. This is the breakdown with

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<v Speaker 4>having celebrity spokespeople. If you're an A list Hollywood celebrity,

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<v Speaker 4>you're a politician, you're a sports figure, if you're a

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<v Speaker 4>multi millionaire, you are useful to that spirit realm because

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<v Speaker 4>they know that you've got influence. And their entire goal,

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<v Speaker 4>if you read my book, is they're out to transform

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<v Speaker 4>the culture. Right now, they just want to transform the culture,

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<v Speaker 4>but they all also want to transform our mindset and

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<v Speaker 4>our worldview, and eventually they're going to transform us physically

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<v Speaker 4>as well through singularity. But the problem with having all

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<v Speaker 4>of these celebrity spokespeople is there's a breakdown between the

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<v Speaker 4>experience of an elite millionaire and the everyday idiot who

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<v Speaker 4>has to get up ever by day and work there

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<v Speaker 4>nine to five. The experience that the elites are getting

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<v Speaker 4>in this astral realm is exactly the same as the

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<v Speaker 4>experience they get on the physical plane. They're better than us.

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<v Speaker 4>They're rich, they're famous, they're beautiful. Everything's at their disposal,

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<v Speaker 4>everything that they want or need. Because they have the

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<v Speaker 4>power of influence and they have the power to transform culture.

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<v Speaker 4>They are useful to these entities. We are not. So

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<v Speaker 4>Aaron Rodgers or whoever else can come back and talk

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<v Speaker 4>about how wonderful it is and how hey, I got

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of you know, uh, championship rings out of

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<v Speaker 4>this deal, and you too can go up there and

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<v Speaker 4>be as a god, and you'll come back and you'll

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<v Speaker 4>get that job promotion, and you'll get that beautiful woman.

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<v Speaker 4>And the fact of the matter is they're getting the

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<v Speaker 4>celebrity package. You are not. Okay, so when you go

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<v Speaker 4>to the astral realm and you go up to the

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<v Speaker 4>like Alimo rent a car. You're not getting the Bagatti

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<v Speaker 4>or the Porsche. You're getting the you go that is

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<v Speaker 4>running on two cylinders. So don't think that Aaron Rodgers

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<v Speaker 4>ayahuasca trip is going to be the same package that

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<v Speaker 4>you get, because it will not be. I guarantee it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this takes me back to that Thefesian six twelve

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<v Speaker 2>where we talked about a bunch of times. As you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're we're not fighting against something physical. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>things that are supernatural in this world, our real enemies.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they may seem physical to us in a

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<v Speaker 2>physical form, but there's there's a man behind the mask,

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<v Speaker 2>if that may sense. There's someone that's pulling the strings,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's coming on that on that supernatural world. We've

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<v Speaker 2>so that he'd get through to Daniel. So this supernatural

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<v Speaker 2>war is going on all around us, and it's always happening,

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<v Speaker 2>and anybody who doesn't think they're influenced or have these

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<v Speaker 2>to really that's I mean, that's a big part of

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<v Speaker 2>talked about it from day one with that supernatural worldview,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, looking back at at Michael Heiser's unseen realm

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<v Speaker 2>and and really seeing that this stuff is is all

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<v Speaker 2>around us and it's right through the Bible. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>that the way that people interpret it, they want to

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<v Speaker 2>that realm of or seems out of the realm of reason. People. Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I can I can reason with it. I can make it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the evolutionist thing where they say, well, the

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<v Speaker 2>reason we can believe in evolutions because it took, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>billions of years, because they have to have that, because

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<v Speaker 2>then you can't disprove it. You can't say, well, look

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<v Speaker 2>it's right here. Well though it didn't take billions of years,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's the same kind of thing. Just really really

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<v Speaker 2>crazy to me, though, how this, how this whole thing

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<v Speaker 2>has come about, and really and maybe it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>been under my nose because I haven't. It's one thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure my mom will be glad to hear this,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've never tried DMT. You know, I've never tried ayahuasca.

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<v Speaker 2>is getting extremely large. And I was just watching and

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<v Speaker 2>it was a couple of actually I was listening to

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<v Speaker 2>have their names on top of my head, and you

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<v Speaker 2>believe it or not, in these fifty pages of notes,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have them written down, but a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>actually talking about this too, and said that these two

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<v Speaker 2>guys are doing this study where it if you say

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<v Speaker 2>you smoke DMT, you know it's anywhere from like a

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<v Speaker 2>three to twelve minute high where you're in that trip,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say, where you're you know, having this almost

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<v Speaker 2>out of body experience. And these two guys have decided

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<v Speaker 2>that they were going to do and they're not the

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<v Speaker 2>first ones, but they're the ones that have controlled at

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<v Speaker 2>the best where they kept the brain at a I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>at that euphoric level for an hour with the drip,

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<v Speaker 2>like the same thing you use for anesthesia anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>They did it, and these guys would be under for

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<v Speaker 2>an hour and they would have everybody you know, go

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<v Speaker 2>through for an hour. Then they'd ask them all a

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<v Speaker 2>series of questions and things of this. And the crazy

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<v Speaker 2>thing is they're meeting and talking to the same entities.

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're seeing the same things, they're having the same experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>even though they're doing a drug separately, but they're meeting

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<v Speaker 2>the same entities. To me, that just really goes back

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<v Speaker 2>more into what you were talking about, Vicki, about how

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<v Speaker 2>this is. You know, we're going into a place where

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's beyond our comprehension, but there's something, there's something real.

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<v Speaker 2>There's it's a supernatural spiritual realm, and it's really scary

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<v Speaker 2>now that this stuff is this stuff you know maybe

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<v Speaker 2>used to be frowned. Actually, if you go back through history,

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<v Speaker 2>there was time you know, these things have been used

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<v Speaker 2>in religious rights and things like that throughout history. We

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<v Speaker 2>talked about it earlier, ben with the like the the

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<v Speaker 2>you know American Indians, you know, using the peyote, which

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<v Speaker 2>was actually it's just has mescaline in it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>has you go through and you look at and I

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<v Speaker 2>got all these written down somewhere, but there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>different things. Like LSD you know, was actually created on

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<v Speaker 2>accident by a Swiss chemist and he didn't even realize,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And that was in the nineteen thirties and

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<v Speaker 2>by the fifties, the CIA is using it in MK

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<v Speaker 2>ultra trying to find out that or trying to use

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<v Speaker 2>it for mind control. And this is stuff that's all commonplace.

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<v Speaker 2>This is open, this is public knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>They gave a lot to the Vietnam soldiers to use

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<v Speaker 1>some of the stuffs.

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<v Speaker 2>Now this is terrible and I and I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how many people.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this super soldiers and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>They did that. And I've worked with in my job.

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<v Speaker 2>I've worked with a number of Vietnam vets, number of

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<v Speaker 2>Vietnam vets. And they've told me that when they issued

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<v Speaker 2>this is crazy. And I know this is a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a side note, but they issued you a

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<v Speaker 2>necklace when you first were gonna get dropped over in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 2>And on the necklace was a bunch of vials, and

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<v Speaker 2>each vial was something different, whether it's PCP or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it may be, all the way around, all sorts of

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<v Speaker 2>different drugs. And we wonder why a lot of these

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<v Speaker 2>guys that come back from Vietnam are the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>are struggling reintegrating with society. They brought them back as

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<v Speaker 2>drug addicts. They gave them these things that if you

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<v Speaker 2>get shot, take this, you'll keep fighting if you do

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<v Speaker 2>if this happens, you know, if you're scared, take this,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll feel invincible. And so they gave them these drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>And what would happen when somebody next to them got shot.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd take their necklace and they'd go and this this

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<v Speaker 2>little necklace had all these little vials. I mean, it's They.

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<v Speaker 1>Did the same with the Nazis too. They did meth.

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<v Speaker 1>They like gave them packs of myth to take. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was more of the SS soldiers, but to

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<v Speaker 1>make them super sold me they could march out for

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<v Speaker 1>days without stopping.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, and I think what we don't hear a lot

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<v Speaker 4>in these discussions is anything from meth all the way

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<v Speaker 4>down to anesthesia. When when we're under the influence of

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<v Speaker 4>something that puts us in an altered state of consciousness,

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<v Speaker 4>we are also highly susceptible to suggestion. And this isn't

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<v Speaker 4>just drugs, this is any altered state of consciousness. So

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<v Speaker 4>even if you're under like hypnotism, that kind of a thing, alcohol,

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<v Speaker 4>and even during times of sleep, paralysis or in these

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<v Speaker 4>these astral events, we become highly susceptible to suggestion when

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<v Speaker 4>we are in these states. And so we're all talking

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<v Speaker 4>about it in the realms of entertainment and free choice,

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<v Speaker 4>and we're going to do this just because it's fun

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<v Speaker 4>and it's high. You know, you get high off of it.

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<v Speaker 4>But depending on who's facilitating this. You know, whether you're

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<v Speaker 4>on a retreat in South America and it's being facilitated

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<v Speaker 4>by a shaman, whether you are in a clinic in

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<v Speaker 4>Denver and it's being administered by some sort of a

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<v Speaker 4>physician of some kind, you are only as safe as

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<v Speaker 4>the motives and the integrity of that person administering it

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<v Speaker 4>to you. So right now it might be entertaining because

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<v Speaker 4>they have to get everybody hooked first, But once everybody's

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<v Speaker 4>hooked and we've gone from point A to point Z

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<v Speaker 4>in the Overton window, and nobody's questioning the ethics or

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<v Speaker 4>the morality of this anymore. Everybody thinks it's cool and

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<v Speaker 4>it's as common as smoking a cigarette. At that point,

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<v Speaker 4>that's when the nefarious people with motives and intentions can

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<v Speaker 4>come in. And you're now putting your life in the

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<v Speaker 4>hands of someone. You're going down, You're you're out, You're

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<v Speaker 4>you're down for the count, and you are now putting

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<v Speaker 4>your life in the hands of whoever it is that's

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<v Speaker 4>administering that to you. And I just want to give

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<v Speaker 4>a little example. I hope I can say this quickly

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<v Speaker 4>because I don't want to waste too much time on it.

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<v Speaker 4>But I remember when I was probably about four or

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<v Speaker 4>five years old, and I was a in the hospital

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<v Speaker 4>for one of my surgeries. And what happens in the

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<v Speaker 4>children's hospital is the anesthesiologist will always come before the

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<v Speaker 4>surgery and he'll walk you through the whole anesthetic process

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<v Speaker 4>because you're a kid and you don't know what's happening,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know it's to like put your fears to rest.

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<v Speaker 4>And so at this point, even though I was only five,

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<v Speaker 4>I had had so many surgeries at that point, I'd

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<v Speaker 4>had anesthesia a million times. I knew what to expect.

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<v Speaker 4>I knew the mask, and I knew what to expect.

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<v Speaker 4>So the guy came and I was just kind of like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, here we go, here's this spiel. And this

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<v Speaker 4>anesthesiologist started telling me, now we're going to have you

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<v Speaker 4>count backwards from ten and by the time you get

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<v Speaker 4>to five, you're going to be on a spaceship. And

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<v Speaker 4>even at five years old, I'm thinking, this guy's tripping.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't dream, you don't halloocin it. I legitimately was

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<v Speaker 4>given him the wrinkle, you know, like what you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and he painted this whole scenario about how when I

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<v Speaker 4>went under, I was going to visualize that I was

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<v Speaker 4>on a spaceship. Never in my life life before or after,

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<v Speaker 4>did I have any sort of visualizations or hallucinations when

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<v Speaker 4>I had anesthesia. So this must have been around seventy nine,

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<v Speaker 4>and so maybe I was a little bit older, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>I was seven or eight. I had just seen the

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<v Speaker 4>movie in the theater, The Black Hole, super old school,

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<v Speaker 4>cheesy sci fi movie. But that was my only area

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<v Speaker 4>of familiarity with space or spaceship up to that point

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<v Speaker 4>in my life. And so show enough, when I went

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<v Speaker 4>under the next morning, I'm on a spaceship. And not

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<v Speaker 4>only am I on a spaceship, but it's like the

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<v Speaker 4>suggestion was pulling from my own reservoirs of knowledge. So

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<v Speaker 4>the only spaceship I was familiar with was the one

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<v Speaker 4>in this movie, and so it was the one in

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<v Speaker 4>the movie. And for the five seconds or so before

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<v Speaker 4>I went under, I reimagined myself in the scariest part

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<v Speaker 4>of that movie. And my parents put me in an

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<v Speaker 4>escape pod because the mothership that we were all on

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<v Speaker 4>was going to blow up. And they get me on

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<v Speaker 4>this escape pod and I'm so relieved, and I turn

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<v Speaker 4>around to say to my mom and dad were safe,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's a one seater, and I look and my

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<v Speaker 4>mom and my dad are still on the mother ship,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, like a porthole waving as it blows up.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like five, six, seven years old. So I went

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<v Speaker 4>under into that surgery in sheer terror, and it never

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<v Speaker 4>happened again. No anesthesiologists ever said that again. But this

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<v Speaker 4>is what I'm telling you. It was a children's hospital.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know the motives are the intent of

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<v Speaker 4>that guy, if he was just trying to make it

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<v Speaker 4>more palatable to a child or less scary. But what

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<v Speaker 4>I learned at that I don't think I learned it

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<v Speaker 4>in that moment, but what I was able to draw

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<v Speaker 4>from as I got older and I was in high school,

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<v Speaker 4>people were telling me how great pot and meth and

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<v Speaker 4>all this stuff was. I remember asking a friend in

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<v Speaker 4>And they said, well, it's kind of like this, and

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<v Speaker 4>sleep sleeping gas with anesthesia, and I had long as

418
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<v Speaker 4>a kid the worst thing in the world for me

419
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<v Speaker 4>was needles. And I got to a point at around

420
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<v Speaker 4>eleven years old where when I had the choice between

421
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<v Speaker 4>sleeping gas or a needle to fall asleep for the surgery,

422
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<v Speaker 4>I started picking the needle because the sleeping gas made

423
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<v Speaker 4>me so uncomfortable. It was so frightening to me to

424
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<v Speaker 4>be out of control, and so I'm just saying this

425
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<v Speaker 4>for people that at some point, whether there's nefarious intentions

426
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<v Speaker 4>or not, you are at the mercy of another person

427
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<v Speaker 4>who's administering this slow drip to you, or it's a shaman,

428
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<v Speaker 4>or there's someone administered they're taking care of the dose.

429
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<v Speaker 4>They're the ones mixing it, they're the one picking the plants,

430
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<v Speaker 4>and they're the ones being able to decipher if it's

431
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<v Speaker 4>what's poisoning or what it's not. You are really taking

432
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<v Speaker 4>a lot of risks, and when you're putting yourself in

433
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<v Speaker 4>altered states of consciousness and you are out like a

434
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<v Speaker 4>light in the hands of someone who you don't know

435
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<v Speaker 4>or necessarily trusts, or doesn't necessarily have the same worldview

436
00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.400
<v Speaker 4>or belief system as you, and you're at their mercy.

437
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<v Speaker 4>At some point when this crosses the line from fun

438
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<v Speaker 4>entertainment into culture shifting transformation for paring us for a

439
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<v Speaker 4>new age, a new Golden Age, a new world order,

440
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<v Speaker 4>whatever you want to call it, you better know where

441
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<v Speaker 4>that tip on point is and you better know who

442
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<v Speaker 4>your friends are, because at some point, the susceptibility we

443
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<v Speaker 4>have to suggestion is going to really get us in trouble.

444
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<v Speaker 4>And if you think I'm solid in my faith. I'll

445
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<v Speaker 4>here's my non negotiables with what I believe about Jesus

446
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<v Speaker 4>being the Messiah. And when you are in an altered

447
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<v Speaker 4>state of consciousness and you're in a period of suggestibility

448
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<v Speaker 4>and you're with someone who was not sharing the same

449
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<v Speaker 4>worldview as you, that is the trifecta for disaster.

450
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<v Speaker 2>That's that's pretty intense right there. The only experience I

451
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<v Speaker 2>had with I had. It's funny you said that you

452
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<v Speaker 2>brought that up and then yours was a lot more

453
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<v Speaker 2>terrifying than my experience with it. But the one time

454
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<v Speaker 2>I've been under anesthesia a bunch of times, but one time,

455
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<v Speaker 2>the uh, I thought, and I still don't know that

456
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<v Speaker 2>I hadn't been given enough or something, because it was weird.

457
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<v Speaker 2>The ceilings started moving and changing shapes and it remember

458
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<v Speaker 2>those old like eighties computer screen savers that the shape

459
00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.000
<v Speaker 2>bounced around off the walls and changed in colors. That's

460
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<v Speaker 2>what was happened. And the whole time I was there,

461
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<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden I woke up and

462
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<v Speaker 2>they were still it was pulling my wisdom teeth and

463
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<v Speaker 2>I woke up, well, they were still doing it. I

464
00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.079
<v Speaker 2>took the needle out of my arm, and I actually

465
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<v Speaker 2>jumped out of the chair and ran through the dentist office.

466
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<v Speaker 2>High five and everybody high five the people in the

467
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<v Speaker 2>chairs get their teeth cleaned, to high five the hygienis.

468
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<v Speaker 2>I went to the front desk, high five the girls there.

469
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<v Speaker 2>I just was I was happy anyway, I was very Yeah,

470
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<v Speaker 2>there's My wife would say something else. She would say

471
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<v Speaker 2>it was pretty ridiculous.

472
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<v Speaker 1>But it was, well, I mean, you have a son

473
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<v Speaker 1>just the same I do.

474
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<v Speaker 2>Actually, you can tell he's a You could tell me

475
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<v Speaker 2>he's mine with just just listening to him. But I

476
00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:38.519
<v Speaker 2>guess kind of switching gears a little bit would be.

477
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<v Speaker 2>The fact is, you know a lot of people make

478
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<v Speaker 2>the argument that, oh, some of this stuff is medicinal,

479
00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:45.599
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's meant to help you. It's all these things.

480
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<v Speaker 2>What do you think. I mean, even you know, and

481
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<v Speaker 2>there is some things that are if like, for example,

482
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<v Speaker 2>you know, marijuana actually has the ability to stunt cancer

483
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<v Speaker 2>cell growth, and certain things are are used the right way,

484
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<v Speaker 2>but just like anything else, we can abuse it. I mean,

485
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:04.599
<v Speaker 2>Jesus drank wine. He just didn't drink the whole cask,

486
00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:06.559
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. It's you got to think

487
00:27:06.599 --> 00:27:09.559
<v Speaker 2>about the fact that how are things being used? You know,

488
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:12.240
<v Speaker 2>we are given a gift, but you can still abuse

489
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.920
<v Speaker 2>that gift. And if you go back, and this is

490
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<v Speaker 2>the book Enoch, regardless of I know it's not cannon,

491
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:22.119
<v Speaker 2>but we ought we like to use some of these

492
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:26.079
<v Speaker 2>non biblical references that sometimes will support the Bible and

493
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:28.599
<v Speaker 2>things of that nature as well. But first Enoch seven

494
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<v Speaker 2>to two, and this is talking about the fallen angels

495
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<v Speaker 2>coming down and the fallen angels teaching humanity basically the

496
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<v Speaker 2>forbidden knowledge, things from heaven that we're not supposed to

497
00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:45.119
<v Speaker 2>know about. So in first ex seven too, it says

498
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<v Speaker 2>and the angels taught them charms and spells and the

499
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<v Speaker 2>cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And

500
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<v Speaker 2>if you go a little further, fee first Enoch eight

501
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:59.000
<v Speaker 2>three says Semiaza taught the casting of spells and root cuttings.

502
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<v Speaker 2>It's not like they didn't know what you know, how

503
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.000
<v Speaker 2>to use plants. You know, the garden of Eden was

504
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:06.559
<v Speaker 2>God said eat from every planet except for this one.

505
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, Cain was a was He worked the ground,

506
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:13.400
<v Speaker 2>it says, right, he was a farmer, so they knew

507
00:28:13.480 --> 00:28:15.519
<v Speaker 2>what plants were they knew what to eat, they knew

508
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:17.400
<v Speaker 2>these things. And then we get a little closer to

509
00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:21.559
<v Speaker 2>the flood. How about that a great cataclysm? Because terrible

510
00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:24.240
<v Speaker 2>things are happening on Earth, and it's talking about the

511
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<v Speaker 2>fact that they taught them those things and made them

512
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 2>acquainted with plants. They were acquainted with plants quite well.

513
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<v Speaker 2>So what were they teaching them to do with those plants?

514
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, where did they come up with the story plots?

515
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Like someone's telling them something. Who should come up with

516
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:46.279
<v Speaker 1>a wigi board?

517
00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Where did this evil come from?

518
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:48.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

519
00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but we all know, don't mess with the

520
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>wigi board, know what I'm saying? Or some I mean

521
00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:57.559
<v Speaker 1>they have movies about it, the.

522
00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:58.359
<v Speaker 2>Witch or something.

523
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like the girls sleeping or whatever, and

524
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>then the bed sheets pick up and eyes weird stuff

525
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>but I can't remember what it's called, but they like

526
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:14.759
<v Speaker 1>two or three of them. But I mean, all this stuff,

527
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's you believe in the Bible. You believe

528
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.680
<v Speaker 1>there's angels, Well, then you have to believe there's demons,

529
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and then it's okay. Then you have people that that

530
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:28.599
<v Speaker 1>you have to go to, Like in in uh first

531
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:36.519
<v Speaker 1>Samuel where Saul went to the the the medium, right,

532
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.119
<v Speaker 1>which he already banned them all you know in Israel.

533
00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:44.440
<v Speaker 1>But yet there's one that obviously he knew about that

534
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:46.519
<v Speaker 1>just kind of well, we'll just let that one be

535
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>just in case, right, and it's it's one of them,

536
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:55.559
<v Speaker 1>like it's it's something real or else. Why would Saul

537
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.319
<v Speaker 1>go ban them and then go to it. And and

538
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 1>that's that's what we're trying to to bring bring delight

539
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:04.160
<v Speaker 1>a little bit.

540
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<v Speaker 2>I think that that's very I think that's a very

541
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 2>good point because I do believe that that stuff's here,

542
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.079
<v Speaker 2>definitely here. You know, nothing news under the sun. As

543
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:16.359
<v Speaker 2>we said, the whole reason that through historically people have

544
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.359
<v Speaker 2>used this is mostly for spiritual type rituals. It's turned

545
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:23.119
<v Speaker 2>into recreation, but it was spiritual rituals. They were trying

546
00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:25.920
<v Speaker 2>to either talk to God or talk to something, you know,

547
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.880
<v Speaker 2>and and and it was happening, you know, the like

548
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<v Speaker 2>you said, the Native Americans they would have they would

549
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:31.680
<v Speaker 2>go on there.

550
00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>They're a little sweat the little sweat tants or whatever

551
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 1>they called them.

552
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<v Speaker 2>But they would go on their their their walks. They

553
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:39.279
<v Speaker 2>would go on these these forest walks where they were

554
00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:41.519
<v Speaker 2>trying to find their spirit animal, and all these different

555
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.559
<v Speaker 2>things were until nature talk to them, they weren't allowed

556
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:47.680
<v Speaker 2>to come back. There's so many different ways that this

557
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.039
<v Speaker 2>has been used throughout history, and it's and right now

558
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:54.759
<v Speaker 2>it's just being repackaged. And and the way that the

559
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.839
<v Speaker 2>human race is letting it so much easier and so

560
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:04.680
<v Speaker 2>much be more attainable is terrifying, because we're getting to

561
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 2>that point now where if you look across look, I mean,

562
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't have to tell you, but go back twenty

563
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>years ago, and then you show our parents twenty years ago,

564
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.400
<v Speaker 2>what's happening right now? Anybody say that couldn't happen. We're

565
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.640
<v Speaker 2>going to back it up here, sry, We're going to

566
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:21.880
<v Speaker 2>back it up. We love to get off base a

567
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.440
<v Speaker 2>little bit here once in a while. Usually it's me

568
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Ben's got a political podcast. He's got to jump on.

569
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:29.079
<v Speaker 2>After this one. We got to hurt it.

570
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.079
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm kidding, I might, I might start one anyway.

571
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.119
<v Speaker 2>What I will say it is about these drug With

572
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 2>these drugs, people have been trying to see, trying to

573
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>see God, trying to communicate with God. They want to

574
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.519
<v Speaker 2>be on a level where that seeing is believing, you know,

575
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.759
<v Speaker 2>it's that whole reason that we talked before. If you

576
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:48.599
<v Speaker 2>can't see it, they have a hard time reasoning it.

577
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 2>But if we go into the Bible, we see a

578
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.279
<v Speaker 2>few things that I think are really important when we

579
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:55.599
<v Speaker 2>talk about this. When people think that they're seeing God

580
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.200
<v Speaker 2>or they're seeing an angel as spiritual entity that is

581
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 2>going to help them, remember that, you know, Satan always

582
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 2>can mask great as an angel of light. But when

583
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 2>we go in here, if you look at First John

584
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 2>four twelve, it says no one has ever seen God.

585
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 2>If we love one another, God abides in us, and

586
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.480
<v Speaker 2>his love is perfected in us. First I wanted to

587
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:23.359
<v Speaker 2>bring in here too, is First Corinthians was two six

588
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:27.960
<v Speaker 2>through nine. Yet among the mature we do not impart wisdom,

589
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>although it is not a wisdom of this age or

590
00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 2>of rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away.

591
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 2>But we impart a secret, hidden wisdom of God, which

592
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>God decreed before the ages of our glory. None of

593
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:44.400
<v Speaker 2>the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had,

594
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.359
<v Speaker 2>they would have not crucified the Lord of Glory. But

595
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.880
<v Speaker 2>it is written what no eye has seen, nor ear heard,

596
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.880
<v Speaker 2>nor the heart of man imagined what God has prepared

597
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>for those who love him. So we have to keep

598
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:03.359
<v Speaker 2>thinking here, this is uh got. We can't think that

599
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:05.640
<v Speaker 2>everything's going to be perfectly laid out right in front

600
00:33:05.640 --> 00:33:08.079
<v Speaker 2>of us. These things are we can't always have that

601
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.440
<v Speaker 2>visual context. We don't get to heaven because God's going

602
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 2>to show up in front of us and give us

603
00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:17.880
<v Speaker 2>a ticket. We get to heaven because we have faith,

604
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.440
<v Speaker 2>because we know that Jesus died for us, because these

605
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:24.160
<v Speaker 2>things have happened. So I just I think it's really

606
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:27.200
<v Speaker 2>important that we understand that biblically, these are not things

607
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 2>that are supposed to happen. We're not supposed to go

608
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>on these trips searching for God. It's things that we're

609
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.519
<v Speaker 2>forbidden if you look at you know, when it talks

610
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:42.079
<v Speaker 2>about in Leviticus talking about the necromancers and the ones

611
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.119
<v Speaker 2>who are looking for the dead and things of this nature,

612
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.119
<v Speaker 2>we're not supposed to look into that spiritual realm. And

613
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:50.079
<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what we're doing here with this. When we

614
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>talk about, you know, these drugs and these things that

615
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:56.319
<v Speaker 2>are taking people down these roads, it's actually, like I

616
00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 2>said before, it's terrifying. One other thing, Vicki like your

617
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>input on this here is DMT actually is numerous times

618
00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:10.079
<v Speaker 2>it's called the God drug, right. It's called because people

619
00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:12.159
<v Speaker 2>think that's what they're seeing or that's what they're trying

620
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 2>to find. And I don't know if you've ever looked

621
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.639
<v Speaker 2>at the website. I like it looking at it. Sometimes

622
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:19.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't always line up one hundred percent with it,

623
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:23.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's the got questions, your answers or your questions

624
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:26.719
<v Speaker 2>biblical answers, if you've seen that before, which I like

625
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:29.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot. I think is really good. But they call

626
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<v Speaker 2>DMT the Jesus drug or the God drug because two reasons.

627
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<v Speaker 2>For some people who have taken this drug believe they've

628
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<v Speaker 2>encountered God or Jesus during a hallucinogenic vision. And number two,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people after experiencing one of these in

630
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<v Speaker 2>visions have drastically changed their lives, so these things are

631
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<v Speaker 2>very real to them. When you said, you don't always

632
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<v Speaker 2>have to leave the door open, Sometimes the windows cracked

633
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 2>just a little bit and that's all it needs. And

634
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<v Speaker 2>it's so that was such a powerful thing for me

635
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<v Speaker 2>hearing that from you and thinking about that and then

636
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.239
<v Speaker 2>trying to think about my own life, which windows a

637
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:11.039
<v Speaker 2>minor cracked. What am I letting in? What's there? And

638
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>this is and this is not even on that, you know,

639
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.440
<v Speaker 2>not even leaving myself open to suggestibility the same way

640
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<v Speaker 2>you do in an unconscious or altered consciousness, but just

641
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<v Speaker 2>in my regular life. And then think about how much

642
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<v Speaker 2>worse that is when I let myself be in one

643
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<v Speaker 2>of those altered consciousness consciousnesses. But they're a little quote.

644
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<v Speaker 2>Forget that they're they're a little quote. At the end

645
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<v Speaker 2>of this the way they summed up the little spiel

646
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<v Speaker 2>they had on DMT was actually, I think a really

647
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 2>good way of looking at it and said, yes, we

648
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:46.320
<v Speaker 2>should be aware of the spiritual reality that surrounds us. However,

649
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<v Speaker 2>using the Jesus drug or any other drug is not

650
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:53.599
<v Speaker 2>the proper method of spiritual growth and awareness. A psychedelic

651
00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>trip is not the path to God. Jesus is the way,

652
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the truth and the life, and God's word is the

653
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<v Speaker 2>light for our path.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would say if there's a drug that would

655
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<v Speaker 1>say hey, if you take this drug, you can talk

656
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<v Speaker 1>to me, I'm sure Jesus would.

657
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:15.119
<v Speaker 2>Have told us if we needed it.

658
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.719
<v Speaker 1>That's all I'm saying. Like, if it was if it

659
00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 1>was really talking to Jesus. He'd be like, hey, guys, so,

660
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<v Speaker 1>by the way, so when I leave and you got questions,

661
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<v Speaker 1>just go smoke this little doobie over here and we

662
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:32.119
<v Speaker 1>can have a one on one. I'm pretty sure he

663
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<v Speaker 1>probably would have told us if that was the case.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got a lot to say on this particular topic.

665
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.039
<v Speaker 4>The people that see Jesus, I agree with the God questions.

666
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:50.079
<v Speaker 4>People come out of these experiences spiritually transformed. That's pretty

667
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.280
<v Speaker 4>much the whole point of my book. The problem is

668
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:58.360
<v Speaker 4>is that if these entities are preaching a gospel other

669
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.559
<v Speaker 4>than the gospel that was preached to us, their spiritual

670
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:04.440
<v Speaker 4>transformation isn't one that's going to lead them to Christ

671
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.960
<v Speaker 4>and so go to Galatians won on that and there

672
00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:11.280
<v Speaker 4>was a story very recently in the news within the

673
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:15.800
<v Speaker 4>last several months where there was a man in South

674
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<v Speaker 4>Africa I believe, who was a high ranking occult leader

675
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.760
<v Speaker 4>in the occult and he was doing a ritual in

676
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:29.880
<v Speaker 4>his phone because he wanted more influence over people. And

677
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:35.199
<v Speaker 4>in the midst of this ritual, a bright light appeared

678
00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:40.400
<v Speaker 4>and he was filled with love, and so he concluded

679
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:42.960
<v Speaker 4>on his own that this bright light didn't have a

680
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:44.760
<v Speaker 4>face or a form. It didn't speak to him, it

681
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:48.599
<v Speaker 4>didn't give a name, but because he felt love, and

682
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:50.559
<v Speaker 4>the only other time in his life he had felt

683
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 4>love like that was when a Christian had hugged him.

684
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:57.639
<v Speaker 4>He determined that the light was Jesus. Well, what the

685
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 4>light informed him of during the ritual not a vision,

686
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:09.880
<v Speaker 4>it was a ritual, was the heaven is not a

687
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 4>gated community. And what he meant by that is this

688
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:16.679
<v Speaker 4>man practiced homosexuality, and this bright light that he determined

689
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:20.159
<v Speaker 4>was Jesus was telling him, we don't close the gates

690
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:24.360
<v Speaker 4>on anybody up here. So the Christian community took to

691
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.239
<v Speaker 4>him and he was all over the Christian channels and stuff,

692
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.519
<v Speaker 4>and I thought, well, the ritual worked. He wanted more influence.

693
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 4>He went from someone that nobody had ever heard of

694
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 4>to get it going viral after this ritual. And the

695
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.760
<v Speaker 4>fact of the matter is the gospel message that he

696
00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.360
<v Speaker 4>received during that ritual, during that bright light that engulfed

697
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 4>him in love, was contrary to the scriptures. And so

698
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:53.199
<v Speaker 4>where I'm going with this is the name Jesus lost

699
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:56.280
<v Speaker 4>its trademark twenty thirty years ago. You know, it used

700
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:59.840
<v Speaker 4>to belong to you know Jesus of Nazareth. The trademark

701
00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 4>is been lost and everyone's got a piece of this.

702
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.679
<v Speaker 4>Now there's a Hindu Jesus, there's a Buddhist Jesus. There's

703
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:10.119
<v Speaker 4>a Theosophist Jesus. They call it Master Jesus. There is

704
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:14.039
<v Speaker 4>a Galactic Jesus. His name is Sonata s n uh

705
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:19.039
<v Speaker 4>O d A. I believe Sonata. There's a Plaides Jesus.

706
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.719
<v Speaker 4>Uh there there, you know, the the Galactic Federation has

707
00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 4>a Jesus. Everybody's got their own Jesus. But this is

708
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.400
<v Speaker 4>what's interesting. Most people who have these ayahuasca are these

709
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:33.480
<v Speaker 4>DMT trips. They will talk about an ego death. They'll

710
00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:37.239
<v Speaker 4>talk about terror that happens first, they'll see these entities.

711
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:40.800
<v Speaker 4>They'll fear, fear that they're dying. They'll talk about being

712
00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.199
<v Speaker 4>taken to the brink of hell. You can talk about

713
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:45.679
<v Speaker 4>Megan Megan Fox talks about this on some of the

714
00:39:45.719 --> 00:39:49.000
<v Speaker 4>talk shows. But a lot of people who get to

715
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:53.159
<v Speaker 4>the other side in ayahuasca, they talk about an ego

716
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:55.639
<v Speaker 4>death or a death of self, or a going to

717
00:39:55.679 --> 00:39:58.320
<v Speaker 4>hell or something almost like a portal they have to

718
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 4>get through before they're enlightened and what's interesting to me

719
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:08.239
<v Speaker 4>about these people that give their ayahuasca testimonies is that

720
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:10.800
<v Speaker 4>they talk about this bright light and they talk about

721
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:16.800
<v Speaker 4>love and peace and joy and all this overwhelming or

722
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.519
<v Speaker 4>gasmic overflow glut of emotion and how wonderful it is

723
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:26.000
<v Speaker 4>and beautiful everything was, and their senses were all heightened,

724
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:29.360
<v Speaker 4>and you got to try this because it was great.

725
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:37.400
<v Speaker 4>But let's compare that, because we have some biblical examples

726
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:42.800
<v Speaker 4>of human beings who saw Jesus in his glorified state.

727
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<v Speaker 4>And let's contrast an ayahuasca testimony with some of the

728
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<v Speaker 4>biblical examples we have of people that saw Jesus in

729
00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:55.159
<v Speaker 4>his glorified state. We have Peter, James, and John who

730
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:58.679
<v Speaker 4>went up the Mount of Transfiguration with Jesus and saw

731
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:01.559
<v Speaker 4>him transfigured. So they up mount Hermon because that's the

732
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 4>amount they were at, and Jesus transfigured into his glorified

733
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:10.920
<v Speaker 4>body in front of them. They went ballistic. Peter is

734
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.960
<v Speaker 4>battling all over the place talking about building tents, and

735
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.239
<v Speaker 4>it says write in the scripture that he was talking

736
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:22.440
<v Speaker 4>this way because they were all terrified. There was no

737
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:26.480
<v Speaker 4>bright lights, there were no orgasms, there was no This

738
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 4>is you gotta try this. It was great. They were terrified.

739
00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 4>Second example, we know that John had a special place

740
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.519
<v Speaker 4>in Jesus's heart. These guys were close. This is the

741
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:43.119
<v Speaker 4>guy that Jesus bequeathed his mother over to. Went with

742
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:46.519
<v Speaker 4>the rights of the first born. Behold your son, behold

743
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:51.840
<v Speaker 4>your mother. John felt so safe and comfortable around Jesus

744
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:54.719
<v Speaker 4>that he leaned on his breast during the Last Supper.

745
00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.519
<v Speaker 4>Jesus called him the disciple, that the disciple that Jesus loved, well,

746
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:00.760
<v Speaker 4>he loved all of them. But what that means is

747
00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:03.719
<v Speaker 4>there was a special place in Jesus's heart for John,

748
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:08.159
<v Speaker 4>and John loved Jesus. There was a familiarity there, there

749
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 4>was a comfort level there, there was a safety there,

750
00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:13.960
<v Speaker 4>there was a friendship there, there was a love there. Well.

751
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:17.199
<v Speaker 4>Many years after Jesus died in Rose, John got to

752
00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:21.719
<v Speaker 4>see his best friend one more time on pat Mos

753
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:26.519
<v Speaker 4>during the revelation and he seized Jesus in his glorified

754
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:29.159
<v Speaker 4>body on the throne like a lamb that was slain,

755
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:33.199
<v Speaker 4>bright white. There's that bright light, right, and it says

756
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:38.119
<v Speaker 4>that John, this is his best bud. John fell as

757
00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:43.000
<v Speaker 4>a dead man and Jesus had to say, fear not,

758
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:47.280
<v Speaker 4>And we see this in scripture. Was it Isaiah? Ah,

759
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:50.079
<v Speaker 4>woe is me? I'm a man of unclean lips. We

760
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:55.679
<v Speaker 4>see this all the time. And Daniel was physically ill

761
00:42:56.280 --> 00:43:02.559
<v Speaker 4>after his visions, with perplexity and confusion. And so in

762
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:05.840
<v Speaker 4>a lot of these examples, the person has to be

763
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 4>touched in some way. They have to be revived, they

764
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:12.039
<v Speaker 4>have to be given a supernatural ability to be in

765
00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:14.880
<v Speaker 4>the presence of Jesus. A coal has to be touched

766
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:18.239
<v Speaker 4>to their lips before they snap out of the terror.

767
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:23.280
<v Speaker 4>And so what I think is going on there, it's

768
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.400
<v Speaker 4>not the wrath of God. He's going to incinerate you.

769
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:31.960
<v Speaker 4>What it is is that Jesus is holy and we

770
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:36.440
<v Speaker 4>are not. We are fallen. We live on a fallen world.

771
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:42.000
<v Speaker 4>Everything around us is in a state of deterioration. Nothing

772
00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:47.760
<v Speaker 4>is holy. We have never experienced that feeling. And so

773
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:54.199
<v Speaker 4>when when we encounter the living, resurrected Messiah and we

774
00:43:54.400 --> 00:44:03.840
<v Speaker 4>encounter pure holiness, are higher physiology, our brain, our anatomy,

775
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 4>everything shuts down and starts cycling down into death mode

776
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:14.559
<v Speaker 4>because it is such a contrast to our fallen nature.

777
00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 4>So to these DMT trippers and these ayahuasca trippers who

778
00:44:18.559 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 4>come back, you know, snapping their fingers and doing little

779
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.199
<v Speaker 4>dances and talking about how cool it was and how

780
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 4>Jesus said they were awesome, and the the the mental, physical, spiritual,

781
00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:37.199
<v Speaker 4>and physiological reaction that the Bible shows when people saw

782
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:42.519
<v Speaker 4>Jesus in his glorified state is in stark contrast to

783
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:52.400
<v Speaker 4>this trivial, sort of just lasadaisical, exciting way that people

784
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:54.719
<v Speaker 4>are explaining the Jesus is that they're seeing in this

785
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:59.320
<v Speaker 4>spirit realm. There is no way of fallen human being

786
00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:05.280
<v Speaker 4>would get into the presence of Jesus Christ and not

787
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:12.400
<v Speaker 4>feel anything but their absolute degenerate state of unholiness. The

788
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:19.360
<v Speaker 4>response would only and always be a recollection of every

789
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:21.599
<v Speaker 4>wrong thing that they had ever done. Woe, I'm a

790
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:25.360
<v Speaker 4>man of unclean lips, and it would be a falling

791
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:29.239
<v Speaker 4>before him. It would be a confession of sin. And

792
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:33.760
<v Speaker 4>this ego death is not enough. That's all Ayahuasca offers

793
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:37.159
<v Speaker 4>us as an ego death, which is a perceived death

794
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.960
<v Speaker 4>in our own mind, a hallucination. But we're told in

795
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:45.960
<v Speaker 4>scripture that we live with Christ when we die. To

796
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:50.960
<v Speaker 4>the old man, we're talking total death. The old man

797
00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:55.000
<v Speaker 4>dies and we resurrect, and we're anew with Jesus Christ.

798
00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 4>We're not just anew in our same self, but just

799
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:03.639
<v Speaker 4>more humble because ego has died. And I would question

800
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:05.760
<v Speaker 4>whether the ego is really dying because a lot of

801
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:09.239
<v Speaker 4>these people on these ayahuasca trips do feel superior to

802
00:46:09.280 --> 00:46:11.280
<v Speaker 4>those who haven't been on it. Which is why Aaron

803
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 4>Rodgers can say, if you have what does he say

804
00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:16.440
<v Speaker 4>that that these pompous or these haughty people are going

805
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.920
<v Speaker 4>to get on here and say this is bad but

806
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:22.599
<v Speaker 4>you've never experienced it. Well, that's that's not an ego death.

807
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:26.920
<v Speaker 2>He said. All these bums who want to come after

808
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.000
<v Speaker 2>me online. But to your same point that you just said,

809
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.199
<v Speaker 2>and it's and actually it kind of clicked for me

810
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<v Speaker 2>when you said that is it tells us that every

811
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<v Speaker 2>tongue will confess and every knee will bow, and the

812
00:46:39.280 --> 00:46:42.360
<v Speaker 2>way that you take, yeah, you're gonna fall to your

813
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:46.280
<v Speaker 2>knees because you're terrified. That's your soul. That's the judgment

814
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:48.760
<v Speaker 2>of those people that are going to fall short. So

815
00:46:49.280 --> 00:46:52.079
<v Speaker 2>all those people that are standing tall, thinking they're tough

816
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:54.400
<v Speaker 2>with their egos, the minute they get in front of

817
00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:57.559
<v Speaker 2>that white throne, of judgment. They will be on the

818
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:01.159
<v Speaker 2>ground the same way, and they will know they are unclean.

819
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:04.679
<v Speaker 2>They're impure. We all are. And I say this all

820
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.880
<v Speaker 2>the time. I said, I am no better than anybody

821
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:09.920
<v Speaker 2>else on this planet. There's not a person here that

822
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:11.639
<v Speaker 2>I am any better than. We have all sinned and

823
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.880
<v Speaker 2>we all fall short. The difference is is that I

824
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.559
<v Speaker 2>know I'm saved because I've confessed that, and I know

825
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:20.320
<v Speaker 2>that Jesus has died for me. And I think that's

826
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<v Speaker 2>such an important part, is that everybody out there is

827
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<v Speaker 2>a sinner. Everybody out there has been through those things,

828
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.920
<v Speaker 2>but we all have to understand that it's our salvation,

829
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:35.159
<v Speaker 2>not through us, not through works, but through grace, so

830
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:38.840
<v Speaker 2>that no man can boast. And that's the whole, you know,

831
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:41.960
<v Speaker 2>the ego death. I think that's hilarious because exactly to

832
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<v Speaker 2>your point, those same people have, if not bigger egos

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<v Speaker 2>maybe after that because of how special they feel or

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<v Speaker 2>things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 4>So absolutely they're chosen ones. If you have an encounter

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<v Speaker 4>with a God little G or a God big G,

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<v Speaker 4>you're going to come back with one or two illusions.

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<v Speaker 4>You're going to come back from that experience thinking you

839
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<v Speaker 4>are a God, or you're going to come back from

840
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<v Speaker 4>that experience saying there is only one God and it

841
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<v Speaker 4>ain't me. And I just think that with all of

842
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<v Speaker 4>this you can be as a god. You know, it

843
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<v Speaker 4>goes all the way back to the garden. But it's

844
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<v Speaker 4>very trendy now with the ascension doctrine. And you mentioned

845
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<v Speaker 4>earlier Michael Heiser in The Unseen Realm and Psalm eight two.

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<v Speaker 4>And this is what I would tell people who are

847
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<v Speaker 4>unfamiliar with the scriptures and who are messing with this stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>When they hold out the promise that you will be

849
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<v Speaker 4>as the God, the little the lowercase g you will

850
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<v Speaker 4>be as a god, I actually don't think that they're lying,

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<v Speaker 4>because if you go to Psalm eighty two, God pronounces

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<v Speaker 4>a judgment on those little little g gods and he

853
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<v Speaker 4>tells them their fate, and he said you will die

854
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<v Speaker 4>as men. So here's the good news and the bad news.

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<v Speaker 4>The good news is they're going to make you as

856
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<v Speaker 4>a god. They're going to make you like them. But

857
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:02.440
<v Speaker 4>guess what they're fate is death, and that is your

858
00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:05.519
<v Speaker 4>fate as well. Without Jesus Christ, your fate will be

859
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<v Speaker 4>the same as the gods. And so they're going to

860
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<v Speaker 4>keep their promise. Unfortunately, they're duping you because it doesn't

861
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<v Speaker 4>mean some sort of prestigious scepter and crown for all

862
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:21.079
<v Speaker 4>of eternity where everything revolves around your every little whim.

863
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<v Speaker 4>It means that you'll be judged right alongside them and

864
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<v Speaker 4>you'll receive the same end game as the ones whose

865
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<v Speaker 4>faulty promises were held out to you. So it just

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<v Speaker 4>it disheartens me. You guys, how many people are falling

867
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<v Speaker 4>for this and this, this desire we have that as

868
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<v Speaker 4>long as the flesh rules and we can be lured

869
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<v Speaker 4>into things because we can get whatever we want, we're

870
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<v Speaker 4>in a dangerous position when the flesh gets to make

871
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<v Speaker 4>all of these eternal decisions for us.

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<v Speaker 2>To that same point, and I mean, as much as

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<v Speaker 2>we see a degradation of society and we see a constant,

874
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<v Speaker 2>we see the fall happening right before us. Unfortunately, you know,

875
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<v Speaker 2>we wish everybody to go to heaven, we want everybody

876
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<v Speaker 2>to find God. But it does say that so shall

877
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<v Speaker 2>it be as it was in the day of no

878
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<v Speaker 2>in the days of Noah. So we know this is coming,

879
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<v Speaker 2>This has been foretold. We knew that things were going

880
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<v Speaker 2>to get worse before they get better. And unfortunately, and

881
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<v Speaker 2>we can say it the same way, here's the good

882
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<v Speaker 2>news and the bad news. Unfortunately, people are falling away.

883
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<v Speaker 2>But fortunately we're that much closer to being with Jesus

884
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<v Speaker 2>and we have to we have to take the good

885
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<v Speaker 2>with the bad and know that, you know, things are

886
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<v Speaker 2>in God's hands, but He has a plan for each

887
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:58.559
<v Speaker 2>and every one of us, you know, reaching out doing

888
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.000
<v Speaker 2>your ministry, and that doesn't mean having a podcast, that

889
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:02.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean right in a book, that means every one

890
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:04.440
<v Speaker 2>of us. And we've just been going through that Axe

891
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Bible study that we I just love Acts. That's my

892
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.880
<v Speaker 2>favorite book. And that was Tom Tom Dunne. I told

893
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<v Speaker 2>him that, I said, and he goes, I don't remember

894
00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:16.199
<v Speaker 2>saying that, but I told him, I said, you had

895
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<v Speaker 2>said this at that conference, the last conference we were at,

896
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<v Speaker 2>and he goes, you know, Acts I look at as

897
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<v Speaker 2>just a instructional guide on how to live our lives.

898
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<v Speaker 2>And I said, that makes so much sense to me.

899
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<v Speaker 2>You know, our job is to go out and save

900
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<v Speaker 2>as many people. And I say it all the time,

901
00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:34.440
<v Speaker 2>but populate heaven and empty out hell. I mean that's

902
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 2>our job.

903
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you know to bring up another biblical example,

904
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:42.719
<v Speaker 4>the prodigal Son. I think sometimes we miss the full

905
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:44.639
<v Speaker 4>extent of what's in that story. There's a lot of

906
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:47.639
<v Speaker 4>layers to that story, and the preachers all kind of

907
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:51.000
<v Speaker 4>glom onto one. But it's a perfect analogy for what

908
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:54.440
<v Speaker 4>we're talking about today, because we've got gods in some

909
00:51:54.480 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 4>sort of astral heaven promising us our entire inheritance. Now,

910
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:03.559
<v Speaker 4>you can have this wonderful life. We're going to give

911
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:07.559
<v Speaker 4>you whatever you want. We're prosperity, fame, fortune, all this stuff.

912
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:11.239
<v Speaker 4>And then we've got another god who's quiet and silent

913
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:15.239
<v Speaker 4>and slow to act and wants to prune us, and

914
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:17.440
<v Speaker 4>he's got an inheritance for us too, but we've got

915
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:19.320
<v Speaker 4>to wait for it. Not that we don't see the

916
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:20.800
<v Speaker 4>goodness of the Lord in the Land of the Living,

917
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:24.719
<v Speaker 4>because we do. But I really think that this is

918
00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:29.519
<v Speaker 4>a prodigal son analogy. And these entities that we see

919
00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 4>on the other side of the veil during the ayahuasca

920
00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:35.280
<v Speaker 4>trips and the DMT trips and the psychedelic trips, they're

921
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:38.480
<v Speaker 4>the ones saying you can have your whole inheritance right

922
00:52:38.519 --> 00:52:41.840
<v Speaker 4>here on earth to spend now in whatever way you want,

923
00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:44.159
<v Speaker 4>but we're going to wind up the same way the

924
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:47.519
<v Speaker 4>prodigal son did, eating with the pigs and having to

925
00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 4>go back to the Father begging for mercy. So it

926
00:52:51.519 --> 00:52:56.480
<v Speaker 4>really is one of these things. Guess what, everything that

927
00:52:56.519 --> 00:52:59.599
<v Speaker 4>they are promising to us now through DMT we will

928
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:04.440
<v Speaker 4>one get in heaven ten billion times better. We just

929
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:09.519
<v Speaker 4>have to delay the gratification. And so it really comes

930
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:14.360
<v Speaker 4>down to can we wait for it? You know, can

931
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.039
<v Speaker 4>we hold off for the promise that God has or

932
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:18.840
<v Speaker 4>are we going to be the prodigal son? And are

933
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:22.800
<v Speaker 4>we going to demand that inheritance now? And I really

934
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:26.760
<v Speaker 4>think that for those that demand their inheritance now, they're

935
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.599
<v Speaker 4>going to get it. But the end is the pig pen.

936
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<v Speaker 4>And so I'm just trying begging anyone who's listening that's

937
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:38.119
<v Speaker 4>tempted with this, or they want to try it, or

938
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:39.519
<v Speaker 4>they have tried it, or they think it's the be

939
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 4>all end all. It is a false inheritance. The money

940
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:48.119
<v Speaker 4>will come to an end, the bank account will be empty,

941
00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:53.159
<v Speaker 4>you will be bankrupt. But the inheritance that is waiting

942
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 4>for you through Jesus Christ, can it never be taken

943
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:59.800
<v Speaker 4>from you? And the downside is you have to wait

944
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:04.400
<v Speaker 4>for the upshot is it's ten millions times better than

945
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:07.159
<v Speaker 4>the crap you're being offered in that astrol realm.

946
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<v Speaker 2>Right now, I'm really glad my spiritual bank account actually

947
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:15.079
<v Speaker 2>is much higher than my earthly one. So where we're.

948
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah for cool, he's learned old jeep, he's learning the jeep,

949
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:24.199
<v Speaker 1>the jeep spind.

950
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:27.159
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm guilty. I also drive a jeep.

951
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<v Speaker 3>So there you go.

952
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<v Speaker 2>You're in the club. Well, VICKI thank you so much

953
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.719
<v Speaker 2>for coming on. I love talking to you. I'm looking

954
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<v Speaker 2>forward to seeing you at this conference coming up. And

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple of other things that I'd love to

956
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<v Speaker 2>talk to you about in the future and more. We

957
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:47.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't even really get into a ton of the veil stuff,

958
00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:51.400
<v Speaker 2>which I find just fascinating, and I have a whole

959
00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.159
<v Speaker 2>bunch more notes on that and different ideas and some

960
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:56.400
<v Speaker 2>of this stuff is just my thoughts and whatnot. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to talk to you about that again sometime anytime.

962
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:03.320
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, thank you so much. If you'd like to

963
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:05.239
<v Speaker 2>say one more shout where everbody can get your book

964
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<v Speaker 2>anything like that, any other dates, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, absolutely, you can find me at Vickyjoy Anderson dot com.

966
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:16.000
<v Speaker 4>You can contact me on my website. I'm on Instagram

967
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:19.760
<v Speaker 4>Vicky Joy Author, It's Vicky with an I. And if

968
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<v Speaker 4>you want the book, they only come out at night.

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<v Speaker 4>You can go to Lamarzuli dot.

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<v Speaker 2>Net and be prepared and bring an extra pair underwear.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, thank you again.

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<v Speaker 3>See you later. That was weak.

973
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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, give me that one of them.

974
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<v Speaker 2>Deep Sea you next time or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, See you next time. Boom boom the Star,

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<v Speaker 3>the Sun Style Style st