Speaker 1: Sturdy hands means queen theology.
Speaker 2: Kenyon, Well, everybody, we're back. We're back in the house
Speaker 2: down justin So sorry all you long's distance pals you
Speaker 2: didn't get to hear it today. But but today we're
Speaker 2: lucky enough to have Vicky Joy Anderson with us, the
Speaker 2: author of They Only Come Out at Night. We've talked
Speaker 2: to her in the past. It's been it was a
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you how many things went wrong
Speaker 2: that night as far as the all the different mechanical
Speaker 2: or you know, electronic issues that we had were unbelievable,
Speaker 2: And somehow God still let that episode be made really
Speaker 2: important information and really delving into some deep stuff that's
Speaker 2: not really talked about a lot. But we wanted to
Speaker 2: bring her back for the topic that we're going to
Speaker 2: get in today. But we'll get into that in a
Speaker 2: few minutes. But I think we should jump in to
Speaker 2: some prayer right away. What do you think, Ben?
Speaker 1: Yes, sir?
Speaker 2: All right, Dear Lord, thank you for everything you've given us.
Speaker 2: Thank you for allowing us to have this time together
Speaker 2: to really look into your word and to use that
Speaker 2: to help us make good decisions in our lives and
Speaker 2: to really seek you the way that you want us
Speaker 2: to seek. You, Lord, just continue to bless us, help
Speaker 2: us reach that one person out there that really needs
Speaker 2: to hear this message. And your name be pray Lord. Amen.
Speaker 3: Amen.
Speaker 2: So today we decided a little bit. It's something that's
Speaker 2: been kind of eating at me a little bit because
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago I saw an article pop
Speaker 2: up Aaron Rodgers, the quarterback for the New York Jets,
Speaker 2: actually speaking at the Psychedelic Conference out in Denver and
Speaker 2: with them legalizing the psychedelic class at drugs for even
Speaker 2: recreational use. And it's a slippery slope and a pretty
Speaker 2: scary thing considering if you remember, they were the first
Speaker 2: state to legalize marijuana. And it's just kind of we're
Speaker 2: starting to see a snowball effect and I think it's
Speaker 2: only going to get worse. But before we get into it, VICKI,
Speaker 2: how are you doing.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great. Great to be back on you guys.
Speaker 2: We are excited, Ben, are you excited?
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm excited.
Speaker 2: Man, A few words, it's.
Speaker 1: Been a day.
Speaker 2: I understand that you got lost. You got what is
Speaker 2: that today that happened on the side of the road.
Speaker 2: Your car broke down? No, work truck.
Speaker 1: That was Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuel pump quit. Luckily we're just right outside of
Speaker 1: the plant we worked in. We still had to push
Speaker 1: you down the road. Got a little extra workout, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had my workout for the day for the week
Speaker 1: for that. I don't work out, VICKI anything new happening
Speaker 1: with you? Anything, any projects on the horizon. You can
Speaker 1: talk about? The conference coming up?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, go there for is coming up end of
Speaker 4: July in the Dayton area of Ohio. This is doctor
Speaker 4: Mike Spaulding. Of course he's been doing this for years.
Speaker 4: So we'll be out there and all the usual suspects
Speaker 4: will be there with me, all of our favorites that
Speaker 4: my buddy, Tom Dunn and Kenny c will be there.
Speaker 4: But then we've got coach Dave and Michael Lake, David Hebner,
Speaker 4: doctor Sharon Tenpenny, Casper McLeod. I know I'm missing people.
Speaker 4: Greg Reid will be there. He's one of my buddies,
Speaker 4: so that'll be great. I think you can still register
Speaker 4: for that. I think if you go to go there
Speaker 4: for dot com or something like that, it might be
Speaker 4: go there for conference dot com. But we'd love to
Speaker 4: see out there. But yeah, everything's going great, still going
Speaker 4: strong with I'm doing through the black Stuff. We're kind
Speaker 4: of taking some of the summer off, but I'm working
Speaker 4: on another book and I've got some really cool stuff
Speaker 4: coming up this year by way of of Opportunities. So
Speaker 4: more on that later.
Speaker 2: I look forward to that. Is there any spoilers you
Speaker 2: can give us or is it? Is it top secret?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: It's top secret, So everybody, everybody, stay on the edge
Speaker 2: of your seat because it's coming. If you if you
Speaker 2: haven't read, they only come out at night, please please,
Speaker 2: And I think that's under La Marzouli's label.
Speaker 4: Correct, yep, Spiral of Life, yep, Lamarzuoli dot net. To
Speaker 4: get a copy of that.
Speaker 2: I highly recommend it, Vicky, And I'm not just saying
Speaker 2: that because you're on here. You are a phenomenal writer.
Speaker 2: The way that you piece that together and the I
Speaker 2: don't know, just the way you portray it, it's very
Speaker 2: It puts you in, it puts you there, which actually
Speaker 2: I wish you were a little worse writer because it
Speaker 2: kind of scared me reading it a spots. So I
Speaker 2: do appreciate that a lot though it was an excellent.
Speaker 4: Book, So thank you so much. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: So go out and please please uh get a copy
Speaker 2: of that book. It's phenomenal. But onto this the subject
Speaker 2: at hand here talking about that psychedelic or hallucinogenic, I
Speaker 2: said it right, all right, I know, I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: I struggle with that word. But onto that if I
Speaker 2: told you it kind of with the Aaron Rodgers thing
Speaker 2: coming up the last couple of weeks, and and and
Speaker 2: kind of, he was a big fan of ayahuasca and
Speaker 2: this is something that came out with the with the
Speaker 2: League with a few different things, and he were they
Speaker 2: were trying to determine whether or not it was legal
Speaker 2: or illegal for him to do it, and all these
Speaker 2: different things. But he's really stuck by his guns on
Speaker 2: this and and and he has some It's interesting because
Speaker 2: he has some interesting ideas on this, which like it's
Speaker 2: a scary, slippery slow like we talked about. But he
Speaker 2: called the use of this drug radically life changing. And
Speaker 2: that's when he was just speaking at that Denver Psychedelics
Speaker 2: conference that we were talking about. And he really starts pushing.
Speaker 2: And if you listen and you read people who are
Speaker 2: highly impressionable, people who really look to their role models,
Speaker 2: people who look to these celebrities for the way that
Speaker 2: they should live their life, which is kind of scary,
Speaker 2: but it happens a lot more in our society than
Speaker 2: people like to think. He says, is it not ironic
Speaker 2: that the things that actually expand your mind are illegal
Speaker 2: and the things that dumb you down have been legal
Speaker 2: for centuries? So he's pushing these things and it's and
Speaker 2: he even had he took it. He used ayahuasca in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty and twenty twenty one when he won the
Speaker 2: MVP those two seasons in the in the league, in
Speaker 2: the NFL, and he says, it's not a coincidence. It's
Speaker 2: the universe bringing things to happen when they are supposed
Speaker 2: to happen. Seeing this, you know, it's almost a new age.
Speaker 2: Well it is a new ag thing where we talk
Speaker 2: about this, you know, enlightenment or or this either finding
Speaker 2: your inner self, which some people believe those trips are,
Speaker 2: or potentially getting information relayed to you from another entity,
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's God or whatever you may think
Speaker 2: it is. But one other very interesting thing the way
Speaker 2: he said that is I guarantee you all the bums
Speaker 2: who want to come after me online about my experience
Speaker 2: and stuff. They've never tried it. They're the perfect people
Speaker 2: for it. We need to get these people taking it.
Speaker 2: So not only not only is he taking it for
Speaker 2: his self, but he is encouraging this out to the
Speaker 2: rest of the public, which is unfortunately when when people
Speaker 2: like this get the limelight, right, this is pushed on
Speaker 2: our society. This is pushed out there and people are
Speaker 2: much more apt it gets it gets a lot more exposure,
Speaker 2: and people are much more apt to say, well, oh, well,
Speaker 2: if he's doing it, you know, can't be that bad.
Speaker 4: Well, here's what's wrong with that theory. First of all,
Speaker 4: I'll preface what I'm about to say with this. I
Speaker 4: believe Aaron Rodgers is the same guy who was in
Speaker 4: the news that after he had done ayahuasca twice. Now
Speaker 4: in waking life, he sees the shadow Man following him
Speaker 4: all over the place. So you know, there's the other
Speaker 4: side of it. Well, whatever happens in these other dimensions,
Speaker 4: whether it's the astral plane, they have all sorts of fun,
Speaker 4: super cool, trendy names for it now, and they don't
Speaker 4: say astral all the time. They'll come up with some
Speaker 4: quantum sort of cool sounding sci fi. So now you're
Speaker 4: in a liminal space, or you're in the metaverse, or
Speaker 4: you're in hyperspace, or you're in a fractal dimension, they
Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it, whatever happens there, there
Speaker 4: are things that attach in that realm that come back
Speaker 4: into the physical realm with you. We see this caricaturized
Speaker 4: in horror movie and sci fi films all the time,
Speaker 4: even Nightmare on Elm Street being a classic example. They'd
Speaker 4: have these dreams, but then they would see Freddie in
Speaker 4: real life and he'd be chasing them.
Speaker 2: And I judge them.
Speaker 4: So that's based on some truth in plain sight there.
Speaker 4: But regardless, this is the one thing I'd want to
Speaker 4: get out for the masses. This is the breakdown with
Speaker 4: having celebrity spokespeople. If you're an A list Hollywood celebrity,
Speaker 4: you're a politician, you're a sports figure, if you're a
Speaker 4: multi millionaire, you are useful to that spirit realm because
Speaker 4: they know that you've got influence. And their entire goal,
Speaker 4: if you read my book, is they're out to transform
Speaker 4: the culture. Right now, they just want to transform the culture,
Speaker 4: but they all also want to transform our mindset and
Speaker 4: our worldview, and eventually they're going to transform us physically
Speaker 4: as well through singularity. But the problem with having all
Speaker 4: of these celebrity spokespeople is there's a breakdown between the
Speaker 4: experience of an elite millionaire and the everyday idiot who
Speaker 4: has to get up ever by day and work there
Speaker 4: nine to five. The experience that the elites are getting
Speaker 4: in this astral realm is exactly the same as the
Speaker 4: experience they get on the physical plane. They're better than us.
Speaker 4: They're rich, they're famous, they're beautiful. Everything's at their disposal,
Speaker 4: everything that they want or need. Because they have the
Speaker 4: power of influence and they have the power to transform culture.
Speaker 4: They are useful to these entities. We are not. So
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers or whoever else can come back and talk
Speaker 4: about how wonderful it is and how hey, I got
Speaker 4: a bunch of you know, uh, championship rings out of
Speaker 4: this deal, and you too can go up there and
Speaker 4: be as a god, and you'll come back and you'll
Speaker 4: get that job promotion, and you'll get that beautiful woman.
Speaker 4: And the fact of the matter is they're getting the
Speaker 4: celebrity package. You are not. Okay, so when you go
Speaker 4: to the astral realm and you go up to the
Speaker 4: like Alimo rent a car. You're not getting the Bagatti
Speaker 4: or the Porsche. You're getting the you go that is
Speaker 4: running on two cylinders. So don't think that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 4: ayahuasca trip is going to be the same package that
Speaker 4: you get, because it will not be. I guarantee it.
Speaker 2: Well, this takes me back to that Thefesian six twelve
Speaker 2: where we talked about a bunch of times. As you know,
Speaker 2: we're we're not fighting against something physical. You know, there's
Speaker 2: things that are supernatural in this world, our real enemies.
Speaker 2: You know, they may seem physical to us in a
Speaker 2: physical form, but there's there's a man behind the mask,
Speaker 2: if that may sense. There's someone that's pulling the strings,
Speaker 2: and that's coming on that on that supernatural world. We've
Speaker 2: talked about it before with in Daniel when when the
Speaker 2: angel says that he's coming, you know, to to warn Daniel,
Speaker 2: and it took him two weeks to get there because
Speaker 2: he's fighting the Prince of or the Prince of Persia,
Speaker 2: and he says when he leaves that he has to
Speaker 2: fight the Prince of Grecia, so you know, and he
Speaker 2: didn't he couldn't get through to Daniel until Michael I
Speaker 2: think it was Michael came and and and helped him
Speaker 2: so that he'd get through to Daniel. So this supernatural
Speaker 2: war is going on all around us, and it's always happening,
Speaker 2: and anybody who doesn't think they're influenced or have these
Speaker 2: things around them is just poorly equipped. So we need
Speaker 2: to really that's I mean, that's a big part of
Speaker 2: you know, what we try to bring is is awareness
Speaker 2: of the fact that this this supernatural realm exists. We've
Speaker 2: talked about it from day one with that supernatural worldview,
Speaker 2: you know, looking back at at Michael Heiser's unseen realm
Speaker 2: and and really seeing that this stuff is is all
Speaker 2: around us and it's right through the Bible. It's just
Speaker 2: that the way that people interpret it, they want to
Speaker 2: make everything rational. They want to understand things in a
Speaker 2: physical context that's right in front of them. They don't
Speaker 2: want to have to something that doesn't seem out of
Speaker 2: that realm of or seems out of the realm of reason. People. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I can I can reason with it. I can make it.
Speaker 2: It's like the evolutionist thing where they say, well, the
Speaker 2: reason we can believe in evolutions because it took, you know,
Speaker 2: billions of years, because they have to have that, because
Speaker 2: then you can't disprove it. You can't say, well, look
Speaker 2: it's right here. Well though it didn't take billions of years,
Speaker 2: so it's the same kind of thing. Just really really
Speaker 2: crazy to me, though, how this, how this whole thing
Speaker 2: has come about, and really and maybe it's kind of
Speaker 2: been under my nose because I haven't. It's one thing,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure my mom will be glad to hear this,
Speaker 2: but I've never tried DMT. You know, I've never tried ayahuasca.
Speaker 2: They were trying these things, but the DMT stuff especially
Speaker 2: is getting extremely large. And I was just watching and
Speaker 2: it was a couple of actually I was listening to
Speaker 2: a seminar, then a couple of guys and I don't
Speaker 2: have their names on top of my head, and you
Speaker 2: believe it or not, in these fifty pages of notes,
Speaker 2: I don't have them written down, but a couple of
Speaker 2: guys who were doing a study, and Graham Hancock was
Speaker 2: actually talking about this too, and said that these two
Speaker 2: guys are doing this study where it if you say
Speaker 2: you smoke DMT, you know it's anywhere from like a
Speaker 2: three to twelve minute high where you're in that trip,
Speaker 2: I should say, where you're you know, having this almost
Speaker 2: out of body experience. And these two guys have decided
Speaker 2: that they were going to do and they're not the
Speaker 2: first ones, but they're the ones that have controlled at
Speaker 2: the best where they kept the brain at a I guess,
Speaker 2: at that euphoric level for an hour with the drip,
Speaker 2: like the same thing you use for anesthesia anything like that.
Speaker 2: They did it, and these guys would be under for
Speaker 2: an hour and they would have everybody you know, go
Speaker 2: through for an hour. Then they'd ask them all a
Speaker 2: series of questions and things of this. And the crazy
Speaker 2: thing is they're meeting and talking to the same entities.
Speaker 2: They're they're seeing the same things, they're having the same experiences,
Speaker 2: even though they're doing a drug separately, but they're meeting
Speaker 2: the same entities. To me, that just really goes back
Speaker 2: more into what you were talking about, Vicki, about how
Speaker 2: this is. You know, we're going into a place where
Speaker 2: it's it's beyond our comprehension, but there's something, there's something real.
Speaker 2: There's it's a supernatural spiritual realm, and it's really scary
Speaker 2: now that this stuff is this stuff you know maybe
Speaker 2: used to be frowned. Actually, if you go back through history,
Speaker 2: there was time you know, these things have been used
Speaker 2: in religious rights and things like that throughout history. We
Speaker 2: talked about it earlier, ben with the like the the
Speaker 2: you know American Indians, you know, using the peyote, which
Speaker 2: was actually it's just has mescaline in it, you know,
Speaker 2: has you go through and you look at and I
Speaker 2: got all these written down somewhere, but there's so many
Speaker 2: different things. Like LSD you know, was actually created on
Speaker 2: accident by a Swiss chemist and he didn't even realize,
Speaker 2: you know, And that was in the nineteen thirties and
Speaker 2: by the fifties, the CIA is using it in MK
Speaker 2: ultra trying to find out that or trying to use
Speaker 2: it for mind control. And this is stuff that's all commonplace.
Speaker 2: This is open, this is public knowledge.
Speaker 1: They gave a lot to the Vietnam soldiers to use
Speaker 1: some of the stuffs.
Speaker 2: Now this is terrible and I and I don't know
Speaker 2: how many people.
Speaker 1: You know, this super soldiers and stuff.
Speaker 2: They did that. And I've worked with in my job.
Speaker 2: I've worked with a number of Vietnam vets, number of
Speaker 2: Vietnam vets. And they've told me that when they issued
Speaker 2: this is crazy. And I know this is a little
Speaker 2: bit of a side note, but they issued you a
Speaker 2: necklace when you first were gonna get dropped over in Vietnam.
Speaker 2: And on the necklace was a bunch of vials, and
Speaker 2: each vial was something different, whether it's PCP or whatever
Speaker 2: it may be, all the way around, all sorts of
Speaker 2: different drugs. And we wonder why a lot of these
Speaker 2: guys that come back from Vietnam are the ones that
Speaker 2: are struggling reintegrating with society. They brought them back as
Speaker 2: drug addicts. They gave them these things that if you
Speaker 2: get shot, take this, you'll keep fighting if you do
Speaker 2: if this happens, you know, if you're scared, take this,
Speaker 2: you'll feel invincible. And so they gave them these drugs.
Speaker 2: And what would happen when somebody next to them got shot.
Speaker 2: They'd take their necklace and they'd go and this this
Speaker 2: little necklace had all these little vials. I mean, it's They.
Speaker 1: Did the same with the Nazis too. They did meth.
Speaker 1: They like gave them packs of myth to take. I
Speaker 1: think it was more of the SS soldiers, but to
Speaker 1: make them super sold me they could march out for
Speaker 1: days without stopping.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, and I think what we don't hear a lot
Speaker 4: in these discussions is anything from meth all the way
Speaker 4: down to anesthesia. When when we're under the influence of
Speaker 4: something that puts us in an altered state of consciousness,
Speaker 4: we are also highly susceptible to suggestion. And this isn't
Speaker 4: just drugs, this is any altered state of consciousness. So
Speaker 4: even if you're under like hypnotism, that kind of a thing, alcohol,
Speaker 4: and even during times of sleep, paralysis or in these
Speaker 4: these astral events, we become highly susceptible to suggestion when
Speaker 4: we are in these states. And so we're all talking
Speaker 4: about it in the realms of entertainment and free choice,
Speaker 4: and we're going to do this just because it's fun
Speaker 4: and it's high. You know, you get high off of it.
Speaker 4: But depending on who's facilitating this. You know, whether you're
Speaker 4: on a retreat in South America and it's being facilitated
Speaker 4: by a shaman, whether you are in a clinic in
Speaker 4: Denver and it's being administered by some sort of a
Speaker 4: physician of some kind, you are only as safe as
Speaker 4: the motives and the integrity of that person administering it
Speaker 4: to you. So right now it might be entertaining because
Speaker 4: they have to get everybody hooked first, But once everybody's
Speaker 4: hooked and we've gone from point A to point Z
Speaker 4: in the Overton window, and nobody's questioning the ethics or
Speaker 4: the morality of this anymore. Everybody thinks it's cool and
Speaker 4: it's as common as smoking a cigarette. At that point,
Speaker 4: that's when the nefarious people with motives and intentions can
Speaker 4: come in. And you're now putting your life in the
Speaker 4: hands of someone. You're going down, You're you're out, You're
Speaker 4: you're down for the count, and you are now putting
Speaker 4: your life in the hands of whoever it is that's
Speaker 4: administering that to you. And I just want to give
Speaker 4: a little example. I hope I can say this quickly
Speaker 4: because I don't want to waste too much time on it.
Speaker 4: But I remember when I was probably about four or
Speaker 4: five years old, and I was a in the hospital
Speaker 4: for one of my surgeries. And what happens in the
Speaker 4: children's hospital is the anesthesiologist will always come before the
Speaker 4: surgery and he'll walk you through the whole anesthetic process
Speaker 4: because you're a kid and you don't know what's happening,
Speaker 4: and you know it's to like put your fears to rest.
Speaker 4: And so at this point, even though I was only five,
Speaker 4: I had had so many surgeries at that point, I'd
Speaker 4: had anesthesia a million times. I knew what to expect.
Speaker 4: I knew the mask, and I knew what to expect.
Speaker 4: So the guy came and I was just kind of like,
Speaker 4: you know, here we go, here's this spiel. And this
Speaker 4: anesthesiologist started telling me, now we're going to have you
Speaker 4: count backwards from ten and by the time you get
Speaker 4: to five, you're going to be on a spaceship. And
Speaker 4: even at five years old, I'm thinking, this guy's tripping.
Speaker 4: You don't dream, you don't halloocin it. I legitimately was
Speaker 4: given him the wrinkle, you know, like what you know,
Speaker 4: and he painted this whole scenario about how when I
Speaker 4: went under, I was going to visualize that I was
Speaker 4: on a spaceship. Never in my life life before or after,
Speaker 4: did I have any sort of visualizations or hallucinations when
Speaker 4: I had anesthesia. So this must have been around seventy nine,
Speaker 4: and so maybe I was a little bit older, maybe
Speaker 4: I was seven or eight. I had just seen the
Speaker 4: movie in the theater, The Black Hole, super old school,
Speaker 4: cheesy sci fi movie. But that was my only area
Speaker 4: of familiarity with space or spaceship up to that point
Speaker 4: in my life. And so show enough, when I went
Speaker 4: under the next morning, I'm on a spaceship. And not
Speaker 4: only am I on a spaceship, but it's like the
Speaker 4: suggestion was pulling from my own reservoirs of knowledge. So
Speaker 4: the only spaceship I was familiar with was the one
Speaker 4: in this movie, and so it was the one in
Speaker 4: the movie. And for the five seconds or so before
Speaker 4: I went under, I reimagined myself in the scariest part
Speaker 4: of that movie. And my parents put me in an
Speaker 4: escape pod because the mothership that we were all on
Speaker 4: was going to blow up. And they get me on
Speaker 4: this escape pod and I'm so relieved, and I turn
Speaker 4: around to say to my mom and dad were safe,
Speaker 4: and it's a one seater, and I look and my
Speaker 4: mom and my dad are still on the mother ship,
Speaker 4: you know, like a porthole waving as it blows up.
Speaker 4: I'm like five, six, seven years old. So I went
Speaker 4: under into that surgery in sheer terror, and it never
Speaker 4: happened again. No anesthesiologists ever said that again. But this
Speaker 4: is what I'm telling you. It was a children's hospital.
Speaker 4: And I don't know the motives are the intent of
Speaker 4: that guy, if he was just trying to make it
Speaker 4: more palatable to a child or less scary. But what
Speaker 4: I learned at that I don't think I learned it
Speaker 4: in that moment, but what I was able to draw
Speaker 4: from as I got older and I was in high school,
Speaker 4: people were telling me how great pot and meth and
Speaker 4: all this stuff was. I remember asking a friend in
Speaker 4: high school, what's it like, what's it like being high?
Speaker 4: And they said, well, it's kind of like this, and
Speaker 4: they explained to me what was exactly my experience with
Speaker 4: sleep sleeping gas with anesthesia, and I had long as
Speaker 4: a kid the worst thing in the world for me
Speaker 4: was needles. And I got to a point at around
Speaker 4: eleven years old where when I had the choice between
Speaker 4: sleeping gas or a needle to fall asleep for the surgery,
Speaker 4: I started picking the needle because the sleeping gas made
Speaker 4: me so uncomfortable. It was so frightening to me to
Speaker 4: be out of control, and so I'm just saying this
Speaker 4: for people that at some point, whether there's nefarious intentions
Speaker 4: or not, you are at the mercy of another person
Speaker 4: who's administering this slow drip to you, or it's a shaman,
Speaker 4: or there's someone administered they're taking care of the dose.
Speaker 4: They're the ones mixing it, they're the one picking the plants,
Speaker 4: and they're the ones being able to decipher if it's
Speaker 4: what's poisoning or what it's not. You are really taking
Speaker 4: a lot of risks, and when you're putting yourself in
Speaker 4: altered states of consciousness and you are out like a
Speaker 4: light in the hands of someone who you don't know
Speaker 4: or necessarily trusts, or doesn't necessarily have the same worldview
Speaker 4: or belief system as you, and you're at their mercy.
Speaker 4: At some point when this crosses the line from fun
Speaker 4: entertainment into culture shifting transformation for paring us for a
Speaker 4: new age, a new Golden Age, a new world order,
Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it, you better know where
Speaker 4: that tip on point is and you better know who
Speaker 4: your friends are, because at some point, the susceptibility we
Speaker 4: have to suggestion is going to really get us in trouble.
Speaker 4: And if you think I'm solid in my faith. I'll
Speaker 4: here's my non negotiables with what I believe about Jesus
Speaker 4: being the Messiah. And when you are in an altered
Speaker 4: state of consciousness and you're in a period of suggestibility
Speaker 4: and you're with someone who was not sharing the same
Speaker 4: worldview as you, that is the trifecta for disaster.
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty intense right there. The only experience I
Speaker 2: had with I had. It's funny you said that you
Speaker 2: brought that up and then yours was a lot more
Speaker 2: terrifying than my experience with it. But the one time
Speaker 2: I've been under anesthesia a bunch of times, but one time,
Speaker 2: the uh, I thought, and I still don't know that
Speaker 2: I hadn't been given enough or something, because it was weird.
Speaker 2: The ceilings started moving and changing shapes and it remember
Speaker 2: those old like eighties computer screen savers that the shape
Speaker 2: bounced around off the walls and changed in colors. That's
Speaker 2: what was happened. And the whole time I was there,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden I woke up and
Speaker 2: they were still it was pulling my wisdom teeth and
Speaker 2: I woke up, well, they were still doing it. I
Speaker 2: took the needle out of my arm, and I actually
Speaker 2: jumped out of the chair and ran through the dentist office.
Speaker 2: High five and everybody high five the people in the
Speaker 2: chairs get their teeth cleaned, to high five the hygienis.
Speaker 2: I went to the front desk, high five the girls there.
Speaker 2: I just was I was happy anyway, I was very Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's My wife would say something else. She would say
Speaker 2: it was pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But it was, well, I mean, you have a son
Speaker 1: just the same I do.
Speaker 2: Actually, you can tell he's a You could tell me
Speaker 2: he's mine with just just listening to him. But I
Speaker 2: guess kind of switching gears a little bit would be.
Speaker 2: The fact is, you know a lot of people make
Speaker 2: the argument that, oh, some of this stuff is medicinal,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's meant to help you. It's all these things.
Speaker 2: What do you think. I mean, even you know, and
Speaker 2: there is some things that are if like, for example,
Speaker 2: you know, marijuana actually has the ability to stunt cancer
Speaker 2: cell growth, and certain things are are used the right way,
Speaker 2: but just like anything else, we can abuse it. I mean,
Speaker 2: Jesus drank wine. He just didn't drink the whole cask,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's you got to think
Speaker 2: about the fact that how are things being used? You know,
Speaker 2: we are given a gift, but you can still abuse
Speaker 2: that gift. And if you go back, and this is
Speaker 2: the book Enoch, regardless of I know it's not cannon,
Speaker 2: but we ought we like to use some of these
Speaker 2: non biblical references that sometimes will support the Bible and
Speaker 2: things of that nature as well. But first Enoch seven
Speaker 2: to two, and this is talking about the fallen angels
Speaker 2: coming down and the fallen angels teaching humanity basically the
Speaker 2: forbidden knowledge, things from heaven that we're not supposed to
Speaker 2: know about. So in first ex seven too, it says
Speaker 2: and the angels taught them charms and spells and the
Speaker 2: cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And
Speaker 2: if you go a little further, fee first Enoch eight
Speaker 2: three says Semiaza taught the casting of spells and root cuttings.
Speaker 2: It's not like they didn't know what you know, how
Speaker 2: to use plants. You know, the garden of Eden was
Speaker 2: God said eat from every planet except for this one.
Speaker 2: You know, Cain was a was He worked the ground,
Speaker 2: it says, right, he was a farmer, so they knew
Speaker 2: what plants were they knew what to eat, they knew
Speaker 2: these things. And then we get a little closer to
Speaker 2: the flood. How about that a great cataclysm? Because terrible
Speaker 2: things are happening on Earth, and it's talking about the
Speaker 2: fact that they taught them those things and made them
Speaker 2: acquainted with plants. They were acquainted with plants quite well.
Speaker 2: So what were they teaching them to do with those plants?
Speaker 1: I mean, where did they come up with the story plots?
Speaker 1: Like someone's telling them something. Who should come up with
Speaker 1: a wigi board?
Speaker 2: Where did this evil come from?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, but we all know, don't mess with the
Speaker 1: wigi board, know what I'm saying? Or some I mean
Speaker 1: they have movies about it, the.
Speaker 2: Witch or something.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like the girls sleeping or whatever, and
Speaker 1: then the bed sheets pick up and eyes weird stuff
Speaker 1: but I can't remember what it's called, but they like
Speaker 1: two or three of them. But I mean, all this stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, it's you believe in the Bible. You believe
Speaker 1: there's angels, Well, then you have to believe there's demons,
Speaker 1: and then it's okay. Then you have people that that
Speaker 1: you have to go to, Like in in uh first
Speaker 1: Samuel where Saul went to the the the medium, right,
Speaker 1: which he already banned them all you know in Israel.
Speaker 1: But yet there's one that obviously he knew about that
Speaker 1: just kind of well, we'll just let that one be
Speaker 1: just in case, right, and it's it's one of them,
Speaker 1: like it's it's something real or else. Why would Saul
Speaker 1: go ban them and then go to it. And and
Speaker 1: that's that's what we're trying to to bring bring delight
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think that that's very I think that's a very
Speaker 2: good point because I do believe that that stuff's here,
Speaker 2: definitely here. You know, nothing news under the sun. As
Speaker 2: we said, the whole reason that through historically people have
Speaker 2: used this is mostly for spiritual type rituals. It's turned
Speaker 2: into recreation, but it was spiritual rituals. They were trying
Speaker 2: to either talk to God or talk to something, you know,
Speaker 2: and and and it was happening, you know, the like
Speaker 2: you said, the Native Americans they would have they would
Speaker 2: go on there.
Speaker 1: They're a little sweat the little sweat tants or whatever
Speaker 1: they called them.
Speaker 2: But they would go on their their their walks. They
Speaker 2: would go on these these forest walks where they were
Speaker 2: trying to find their spirit animal, and all these different
Speaker 2: things were until nature talk to them, they weren't allowed
Speaker 2: to come back. There's so many different ways that this
Speaker 2: has been used throughout history, and it's and right now
Speaker 2: it's just being repackaged. And and the way that the
Speaker 2: human race is letting it so much easier and so
Speaker 2: much be more attainable is terrifying, because we're getting to
Speaker 2: that point now where if you look across look, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't have to tell you, but go back twenty
Speaker 2: years ago, and then you show our parents twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: what's happening right now? Anybody say that couldn't happen. We're
Speaker 2: going to back it up here, sry, We're going to
Speaker 2: back it up. We love to get off base a
Speaker 2: little bit here once in a while. Usually it's me
Speaker 2: Ben's got a political podcast. He's got to jump on.
Speaker 2: After this one. We got to hurt it.
Speaker 1: No, I'm kidding, I might, I might start one anyway.
Speaker 2: What I will say it is about these drug With
Speaker 2: these drugs, people have been trying to see, trying to
Speaker 2: see God, trying to communicate with God. They want to
Speaker 2: be on a level where that seeing is believing, you know,
Speaker 2: it's that whole reason that we talked before. If you
Speaker 2: can't see it, they have a hard time reasoning it.
Speaker 2: But if we go into the Bible, we see a
Speaker 2: few things that I think are really important when we
Speaker 2: talk about this. When people think that they're seeing God
Speaker 2: or they're seeing an angel as spiritual entity that is
Speaker 2: going to help them, remember that, you know, Satan always
Speaker 2: can mask great as an angel of light. But when
Speaker 2: we go in here, if you look at First John
Speaker 2: four twelve, it says no one has ever seen God.
Speaker 2: If we love one another, God abides in us, and
Speaker 2: his love is perfected in us. First I wanted to
Speaker 2: bring in here too, is First Corinthians was two six
Speaker 2: through nine. Yet among the mature we do not impart wisdom,
Speaker 2: although it is not a wisdom of this age or
Speaker 2: of rulers of this age, who are doomed to pass away.
Speaker 2: But we impart a secret, hidden wisdom of God, which
Speaker 2: God decreed before the ages of our glory. None of
Speaker 2: the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had,
Speaker 2: they would have not crucified the Lord of Glory. But
Speaker 2: it is written what no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
Speaker 2: nor the heart of man imagined what God has prepared
Speaker 2: for those who love him. So we have to keep
Speaker 2: thinking here, this is uh got. We can't think that
Speaker 2: everything's going to be perfectly laid out right in front
Speaker 2: of us. These things are we can't always have that
Speaker 2: visual context. We don't get to heaven because God's going
Speaker 2: to show up in front of us and give us
Speaker 2: a ticket. We get to heaven because we have faith,
Speaker 2: because we know that Jesus died for us, because these
Speaker 2: things have happened. So I just I think it's really
Speaker 2: important that we understand that biblically, these are not things
Speaker 2: that are supposed to happen. We're not supposed to go
Speaker 2: on these trips searching for God. It's things that we're
Speaker 2: forbidden if you look at you know, when it talks
Speaker 2: about in Leviticus talking about the necromancers and the ones
Speaker 2: who are looking for the dead and things of this nature,
Speaker 2: we're not supposed to look into that spiritual realm. And
Speaker 2: that's exactly what we're doing here with this. When we
Speaker 2: talk about, you know, these drugs and these things that
Speaker 2: are taking people down these roads, it's actually, like I
Speaker 2: said before, it's terrifying. One other thing, Vicki like your
Speaker 2: input on this here is DMT actually is numerous times
Speaker 2: it's called the God drug, right. It's called because people
Speaker 2: think that's what they're seeing or that's what they're trying
Speaker 2: to find. And I don't know if you've ever looked
Speaker 2: at the website. I like it looking at it. Sometimes
Speaker 2: I don't always line up one hundred percent with it,
Speaker 2: but it's the got questions, your answers or your questions
Speaker 2: biblical answers, if you've seen that before, which I like
Speaker 2: a lot. I think is really good. But they call
Speaker 2: DMT the Jesus drug or the God drug because two reasons.
Speaker 2: For some people who have taken this drug believe they've
Speaker 2: encountered God or Jesus during a hallucinogenic vision. And number two,
Speaker 2: a lot of people after experiencing one of these in
Speaker 2: visions have drastically changed their lives, so these things are
Speaker 2: very real to them. When you said, you don't always
Speaker 2: have to leave the door open, Sometimes the windows cracked
Speaker 2: just a little bit and that's all it needs. And
Speaker 2: it's so that was such a powerful thing for me
Speaker 2: hearing that from you and thinking about that and then
Speaker 2: trying to think about my own life, which windows a
Speaker 2: minor cracked. What am I letting in? What's there? And
Speaker 2: this is and this is not even on that, you know,
Speaker 2: not even leaving myself open to suggestibility the same way
Speaker 2: you do in an unconscious or altered consciousness, but just
Speaker 2: in my regular life. And then think about how much
Speaker 2: worse that is when I let myself be in one
Speaker 2: of those altered consciousness consciousnesses. But they're a little quote.
Speaker 2: Forget that they're they're a little quote. At the end
Speaker 2: of this the way they summed up the little spiel
Speaker 2: they had on DMT was actually, I think a really
Speaker 2: good way of looking at it and said, yes, we
Speaker 2: should be aware of the spiritual reality that surrounds us. However,
Speaker 2: using the Jesus drug or any other drug is not
Speaker 2: the proper method of spiritual growth and awareness. A psychedelic
Speaker 2: trip is not the path to God. Jesus is the way,
Speaker 2: the truth and the life, and God's word is the
Speaker 2: light for our path.
Speaker 1: Well, I would say if there's a drug that would
Speaker 1: say hey, if you take this drug, you can talk
Speaker 1: to me, I'm sure Jesus would.
Speaker 2: Have told us if we needed it.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Like, if it was if it
Speaker 1: was really talking to Jesus. He'd be like, hey, guys, so,
Speaker 1: by the way, so when I leave and you got questions,
Speaker 1: just go smoke this little doobie over here and we
Speaker 1: can have a one on one. I'm pretty sure he
Speaker 1: probably would have told us if that was the case.
Speaker 4: I've got a lot to say on this particular topic.
Speaker 4: The people that see Jesus, I agree with the God questions.
Speaker 4: People come out of these experiences spiritually transformed. That's pretty
Speaker 4: much the whole point of my book. The problem is
Speaker 4: is that if these entities are preaching a gospel other
Speaker 4: than the gospel that was preached to us, their spiritual
Speaker 4: transformation isn't one that's going to lead them to Christ
Speaker 4: and so go to Galatians won on that and there
Speaker 4: was a story very recently in the news within the
Speaker 4: last several months where there was a man in South
Speaker 4: Africa I believe, who was a high ranking occult leader
Speaker 4: in the occult and he was doing a ritual in
Speaker 4: his phone because he wanted more influence over people. And
Speaker 4: in the midst of this ritual, a bright light appeared
Speaker 4: and he was filled with love, and so he concluded
Speaker 4: on his own that this bright light didn't have a
Speaker 4: face or a form. It didn't speak to him, it
Speaker 4: didn't give a name, but because he felt love, and
Speaker 4: the only other time in his life he had felt
Speaker 4: love like that was when a Christian had hugged him.
Speaker 4: He determined that the light was Jesus. Well, what the
Speaker 4: light informed him of during the ritual not a vision,
Speaker 4: it was a ritual, was the heaven is not a
Speaker 4: gated community. And what he meant by that is this
Speaker 4: man practiced homosexuality, and this bright light that he determined
Speaker 4: was Jesus was telling him, we don't close the gates
Speaker 4: on anybody up here. So the Christian community took to
Speaker 4: him and he was all over the Christian channels and stuff,
Speaker 4: and I thought, well, the ritual worked. He wanted more influence.
Speaker 4: He went from someone that nobody had ever heard of
Speaker 4: to get it going viral after this ritual. And the
Speaker 4: fact of the matter is the gospel message that he
Speaker 4: received during that ritual, during that bright light that engulfed
Speaker 4: him in love, was contrary to the scriptures. And so
Speaker 4: where I'm going with this is the name Jesus lost
Speaker 4: its trademark twenty thirty years ago. You know, it used
Speaker 4: to belong to you know Jesus of Nazareth. The trademark
Speaker 4: is been lost and everyone's got a piece of this.
Speaker 4: Now there's a Hindu Jesus, there's a Buddhist Jesus. There's
Speaker 4: a Theosophist Jesus. They call it Master Jesus. There is
Speaker 4: a Galactic Jesus. His name is Sonata s n uh
Speaker 4: O d A. I believe Sonata. There's a Plaides Jesus.
Speaker 4: Uh there there, you know, the the Galactic Federation has
Speaker 4: a Jesus. Everybody's got their own Jesus. But this is
Speaker 4: what's interesting. Most people who have these ayahuasca are these
Speaker 4: DMT trips. They will talk about an ego death. They'll
Speaker 4: talk about terror that happens first, they'll see these entities.
Speaker 4: They'll fear, fear that they're dying. They'll talk about being
Speaker 4: taken to the brink of hell. You can talk about
Speaker 4: Megan Megan Fox talks about this on some of the
Speaker 4: talk shows. But a lot of people who get to
Speaker 4: the other side in ayahuasca, they talk about an ego
Speaker 4: death or a death of self, or a going to
Speaker 4: hell or something almost like a portal they have to
Speaker 4: get through before they're enlightened and what's interesting to me
Speaker 4: about these people that give their ayahuasca testimonies is that
Speaker 4: they talk about this bright light and they talk about
Speaker 4: love and peace and joy and all this overwhelming or
Speaker 4: gasmic overflow glut of emotion and how wonderful it is
Speaker 4: and beautiful everything was, and their senses were all heightened,
Speaker 4: and you got to try this because it was great.
Speaker 4: But let's compare that, because we have some biblical examples
Speaker 4: of human beings who saw Jesus in his glorified state.
Speaker 4: And let's contrast an ayahuasca testimony with some of the
Speaker 4: biblical examples we have of people that saw Jesus in
Speaker 4: his glorified state. We have Peter, James, and John who
Speaker 4: went up the Mount of Transfiguration with Jesus and saw
Speaker 4: him transfigured. So they up mount Hermon because that's the
Speaker 4: amount they were at, and Jesus transfigured into his glorified
Speaker 4: body in front of them. They went ballistic. Peter is
Speaker 4: battling all over the place talking about building tents, and
Speaker 4: it says write in the scripture that he was talking
Speaker 4: this way because they were all terrified. There was no
Speaker 4: bright lights, there were no orgasms, there was no This
Speaker 4: is you gotta try this. It was great. They were terrified.
Speaker 4: Second example, we know that John had a special place
Speaker 4: in Jesus's heart. These guys were close. This is the
Speaker 4: guy that Jesus bequeathed his mother over to. Went with
Speaker 4: the rights of the first born. Behold your son, behold
Speaker 4: your mother. John felt so safe and comfortable around Jesus
Speaker 4: that he leaned on his breast during the Last Supper.
Speaker 4: Jesus called him the disciple, that the disciple that Jesus loved, well,
Speaker 4: he loved all of them. But what that means is
Speaker 4: there was a special place in Jesus's heart for John,
Speaker 4: and John loved Jesus. There was a familiarity there, there
Speaker 4: was a comfort level there, there was a safety there,
Speaker 4: there was a friendship there, there was a love there. Well.
Speaker 4: Many years after Jesus died in Rose, John got to
Speaker 4: see his best friend one more time on pat Mos
Speaker 4: during the revelation and he seized Jesus in his glorified
Speaker 4: body on the throne like a lamb that was slain,
Speaker 4: bright white. There's that bright light, right, and it says
Speaker 4: that John, this is his best bud. John fell as
Speaker 4: a dead man and Jesus had to say, fear not,
Speaker 4: And we see this in scripture. Was it Isaiah? Ah,
Speaker 4: woe is me? I'm a man of unclean lips. We
Speaker 4: see this all the time. And Daniel was physically ill
Speaker 4: after his visions, with perplexity and confusion. And so in
Speaker 4: a lot of these examples, the person has to be
Speaker 4: touched in some way. They have to be revived, they
Speaker 4: have to be given a supernatural ability to be in
Speaker 4: the presence of Jesus. A coal has to be touched
Speaker 4: to their lips before they snap out of the terror.
Speaker 4: And so what I think is going on there, it's
Speaker 4: not the wrath of God. He's going to incinerate you.
Speaker 4: What it is is that Jesus is holy and we
Speaker 4: are not. We are fallen. We live on a fallen world.
Speaker 4: Everything around us is in a state of deterioration. Nothing
Speaker 4: is holy. We have never experienced that feeling. And so
Speaker 4: when when we encounter the living, resurrected Messiah and we
Speaker 4: encounter pure holiness, are higher physiology, our brain, our anatomy,
Speaker 4: everything shuts down and starts cycling down into death mode
Speaker 4: because it is such a contrast to our fallen nature.
Speaker 4: So to these DMT trippers and these ayahuasca trippers who
Speaker 4: come back, you know, snapping their fingers and doing little
Speaker 4: dances and talking about how cool it was and how
Speaker 4: Jesus said they were awesome, and the the the mental, physical, spiritual,
Speaker 4: and physiological reaction that the Bible shows when people saw
Speaker 4: Jesus in his glorified state is in stark contrast to
Speaker 4: this trivial, sort of just lasadaisical, exciting way that people
Speaker 4: are explaining the Jesus is that they're seeing in this
Speaker 4: spirit realm. There is no way of fallen human being
Speaker 4: would get into the presence of Jesus Christ and not
Speaker 4: feel anything but their absolute degenerate state of unholiness. The
Speaker 4: response would only and always be a recollection of every
Speaker 4: wrong thing that they had ever done. Woe, I'm a
Speaker 4: man of unclean lips, and it would be a falling
Speaker 4: before him. It would be a confession of sin. And
Speaker 4: this ego death is not enough. That's all Ayahuasca offers
Speaker 4: us as an ego death, which is a perceived death
Speaker 4: in our own mind, a hallucination. But we're told in
Speaker 4: scripture that we live with Christ when we die. To
Speaker 4: the old man, we're talking total death. The old man
Speaker 4: dies and we resurrect, and we're anew with Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: We're not just anew in our same self, but just
Speaker 4: more humble because ego has died. And I would question
Speaker 4: whether the ego is really dying because a lot of
Speaker 4: these people on these ayahuasca trips do feel superior to
Speaker 4: those who haven't been on it. Which is why Aaron
Speaker 4: Rodgers can say, if you have what does he say
Speaker 4: that that these pompous or these haughty people are going
Speaker 4: to get on here and say this is bad but
Speaker 4: you've never experienced it. Well, that's that's not an ego death.
Speaker 2: He said. All these bums who want to come after
Speaker 2: me online. But to your same point that you just said,
Speaker 2: and it's and actually it kind of clicked for me
Speaker 2: when you said that is it tells us that every
Speaker 2: tongue will confess and every knee will bow, and the
Speaker 2: way that you take, yeah, you're gonna fall to your
Speaker 2: knees because you're terrified. That's your soul. That's the judgment
Speaker 2: of those people that are going to fall short. So
Speaker 2: all those people that are standing tall, thinking they're tough
Speaker 2: with their egos, the minute they get in front of
Speaker 2: that white throne, of judgment. They will be on the
Speaker 2: ground the same way, and they will know they are unclean.
Speaker 2: They're impure. We all are. And I say this all
Speaker 2: the time. I said, I am no better than anybody
Speaker 2: else on this planet. There's not a person here that
Speaker 2: I am any better than. We have all sinned and
Speaker 2: we all fall short. The difference is is that I
Speaker 2: know I'm saved because I've confessed that, and I know
Speaker 2: that Jesus has died for me. And I think that's
Speaker 2: such an important part, is that everybody out there is
Speaker 2: a sinner. Everybody out there has been through those things,
Speaker 2: but we all have to understand that it's our salvation,
Speaker 2: not through us, not through works, but through grace, so
Speaker 2: that no man can boast. And that's the whole, you know,
Speaker 2: the ego death. I think that's hilarious because exactly to
Speaker 2: your point, those same people have, if not bigger egos
Speaker 2: maybe after that because of how special they feel or
Speaker 2: things of that nature.
Speaker 4: So absolutely they're chosen ones. If you have an encounter
Speaker 4: with a God little G or a God big G,
Speaker 4: you're going to come back with one or two illusions.
Speaker 4: You're going to come back from that experience thinking you
Speaker 4: are a God, or you're going to come back from
Speaker 4: that experience saying there is only one God and it
Speaker 4: ain't me. And I just think that with all of
Speaker 4: this you can be as a god. You know, it
Speaker 4: goes all the way back to the garden. But it's
Speaker 4: very trendy now with the ascension doctrine. And you mentioned
Speaker 4: earlier Michael Heiser in The Unseen Realm and Psalm eight two.
Speaker 4: And this is what I would tell people who are
Speaker 4: unfamiliar with the scriptures and who are messing with this stuff.
Speaker 4: When they hold out the promise that you will be
Speaker 4: as the God, the little the lowercase g you will
Speaker 4: be as a god, I actually don't think that they're lying,
Speaker 4: because if you go to Psalm eighty two, God pronounces
Speaker 4: a judgment on those little little g gods and he
Speaker 4: tells them their fate, and he said you will die
Speaker 4: as men. So here's the good news and the bad news.
Speaker 4: The good news is they're going to make you as
Speaker 4: a god. They're going to make you like them. But
Speaker 4: guess what they're fate is death, and that is your
Speaker 4: fate as well. Without Jesus Christ, your fate will be
Speaker 4: the same as the gods. And so they're going to
Speaker 4: keep their promise. Unfortunately, they're duping you because it doesn't
Speaker 4: mean some sort of prestigious scepter and crown for all
Speaker 4: of eternity where everything revolves around your every little whim.
Speaker 4: It means that you'll be judged right alongside them and
Speaker 4: you'll receive the same end game as the ones whose
Speaker 4: faulty promises were held out to you. So it just
Speaker 4: it disheartens me. You guys, how many people are falling
Speaker 4: for this and this, this desire we have that as
Speaker 4: long as the flesh rules and we can be lured
Speaker 4: into things because we can get whatever we want, we're
Speaker 4: in a dangerous position when the flesh gets to make
Speaker 4: all of these eternal decisions for us.
Speaker 2: To that same point, and I mean, as much as
Speaker 2: we see a degradation of society and we see a constant,
Speaker 2: we see the fall happening right before us. Unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 2: we wish everybody to go to heaven, we want everybody
Speaker 2: to find God. But it does say that so shall
Speaker 2: it be as it was in the day of no
Speaker 2: in the days of Noah. So we know this is coming,
Speaker 2: This has been foretold. We knew that things were going
Speaker 2: to get worse before they get better. And unfortunately, and
Speaker 2: we can say it the same way, here's the good
Speaker 2: news and the bad news. Unfortunately, people are falling away.
Speaker 2: But fortunately we're that much closer to being with Jesus
Speaker 2: and we have to we have to take the good
Speaker 2: with the bad and know that, you know, things are
Speaker 2: in God's hands, but He has a plan for each
Speaker 2: and every one of us, you know, reaching out doing
Speaker 2: your ministry, and that doesn't mean having a podcast, that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean right in a book, that means every one
Speaker 2: of us. And we've just been going through that Axe
Speaker 2: Bible study that we I just love Acts. That's my
Speaker 2: favorite book. And that was Tom Tom Dunne. I told
Speaker 2: him that, I said, and he goes, I don't remember
Speaker 2: saying that, but I told him, I said, you had
Speaker 2: said this at that conference, the last conference we were at,
Speaker 2: and he goes, you know, Acts I look at as
Speaker 2: just a instructional guide on how to live our lives.
Speaker 2: And I said, that makes so much sense to me.
Speaker 2: You know, our job is to go out and save
Speaker 2: as many people. And I say it all the time,
Speaker 2: but populate heaven and empty out hell. I mean that's
Speaker 2: our job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know to bring up another biblical example,
Speaker 4: the prodigal Son. I think sometimes we miss the full
Speaker 4: extent of what's in that story. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: layers to that story, and the preachers all kind of
Speaker 4: glom onto one. But it's a perfect analogy for what
Speaker 4: we're talking about today, because we've got gods in some
Speaker 4: sort of astral heaven promising us our entire inheritance. Now,
Speaker 4: you can have this wonderful life. We're going to give
Speaker 4: you whatever you want. We're prosperity, fame, fortune, all this stuff.
Speaker 4: And then we've got another god who's quiet and silent
Speaker 4: and slow to act and wants to prune us, and
Speaker 4: he's got an inheritance for us too, but we've got
Speaker 4: to wait for it. Not that we don't see the
Speaker 4: goodness of the Lord in the Land of the Living,
Speaker 4: because we do. But I really think that this is
Speaker 4: a prodigal son analogy. And these entities that we see
Speaker 4: on the other side of the veil during the ayahuasca
Speaker 4: trips and the DMT trips and the psychedelic trips, they're
Speaker 4: the ones saying you can have your whole inheritance right
Speaker 4: here on earth to spend now in whatever way you want,
Speaker 4: but we're going to wind up the same way the
Speaker 4: prodigal son did, eating with the pigs and having to
Speaker 4: go back to the Father begging for mercy. So it
Speaker 4: really is one of these things. Guess what, everything that
Speaker 4: they are promising to us now through DMT we will
Speaker 4: one get in heaven ten billion times better. We just
Speaker 4: have to delay the gratification. And so it really comes
Speaker 4: down to can we wait for it? You know, can
Speaker 4: we hold off for the promise that God has or
Speaker 4: are we going to be the prodigal son? And are
Speaker 4: we going to demand that inheritance now? And I really
Speaker 4: think that for those that demand their inheritance now, they're
Speaker 4: going to get it. But the end is the pig pen.
Speaker 4: And so I'm just trying begging anyone who's listening that's
Speaker 4: tempted with this, or they want to try it, or
Speaker 4: they have tried it, or they think it's the be
Speaker 4: all end all. It is a false inheritance. The money
Speaker 4: will come to an end, the bank account will be empty,
Speaker 4: you will be bankrupt. But the inheritance that is waiting
Speaker 4: for you through Jesus Christ, can it never be taken
Speaker 4: from you? And the downside is you have to wait
Speaker 4: for the upshot is it's ten millions times better than
Speaker 4: the crap you're being offered in that astrol realm.
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm really glad my spiritual bank account actually
Speaker 2: is much higher than my earthly one. So where we're.
Speaker 1: Yeah for cool, he's learned old jeep, he's learning the jeep,
Speaker 1: the jeep spind.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm guilty. I also drive a jeep.
Speaker 3: So there you go.
Speaker 2: You're in the club. Well, VICKI thank you so much
Speaker 2: for coming on. I love talking to you. I'm looking
Speaker 2: forward to seeing you at this conference coming up. And
Speaker 2: there's a couple of other things that I'd love to
Speaker 2: talk to you about in the future and more. We
Speaker 2: didn't even really get into a ton of the veil stuff,
Speaker 2: which I find just fascinating, and I have a whole
Speaker 2: bunch more notes on that and different ideas and some
Speaker 2: of this stuff is just my thoughts and whatnot. But
Speaker 2: I'd love to talk to you about that again sometime anytime.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, thank you so much. If you'd like to
Speaker 2: say one more shout where everbody can get your book
Speaker 2: anything like that, any other dates, go ahead.
Speaker 4: Sure, absolutely, you can find me at Vickyjoy Anderson dot com.
Speaker 4: You can contact me on my website. I'm on Instagram
Speaker 4: Vicky Joy Author, It's Vicky with an I. And if
Speaker 4: you want the book, they only come out at night.
Speaker 4: You can go to Lamarzuli dot.
Speaker 2: Net and be prepared and bring an extra pair underwear.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you again.
Speaker 3: See you later. That was weak.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, give me that one of them.
Speaker 2: Deep Sea you next time or whatever.
Speaker 3: It is, See you next time. Boom boom the Star,
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