WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:09.519 Bill cunning in the Great America, and welcome this wonderful, 2 00:00:09.560 --> 00:00:13.199 good Friday afternoon in the tri State. Windy conditions exist 3 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:15.640 and it's going to rain over the weekend. We'll see 4 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:18.039 what happens there. Reds Baseball kicks off at six oh 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:21.399 five to night life in Baltimore. Three in Baltimore, three 6 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:24.719 in Miami than three in Denver. The temperatures last night 7 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:28.399 in Denver was twenty eight degrees with four inches of snow. Hopefully, 8 00:00:28.039 --> 00:00:31.000 when the Reds get there might be in better shape. 9 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:33.759 But until then we have more important issues percolat And 10 00:00:33.759 --> 00:00:37.399 by the way, the Reds lost yesterday was devastating, absolutely devastating. 11 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:40.159 But that's the funny pages of life compared to life 12 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.479 and death. And once again we have a serious situation 13 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:45.359 that happened on the main streets of Cincinnati. And this 14 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:48.079 is only April. One can only imagine June, July, and 15 00:00:48.119 --> 00:00:50.920 August what's going to transpire. And I watched a couple 16 00:00:51.079 --> 00:00:54.479 nights ago with the FAP ahead Ken Kober, who's been 17 00:00:54.520 --> 00:00:56.679 with police about thirty years and he's seen it all 18 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:59.359 and done it all about what happened on Short Vine 19 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:02.960 involving Kyle Muick who was murdered. It was an armed 20 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.200 robbery that went bad, as if some can go good. 21 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:08.760 But the fifteen year old involved in that case in 22 00:01:08.840 --> 00:01:12.760 an extensive history with the juvenile court system under Judge 23 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:15.879 Kerry Bloom, in which there were repeated attempts. This is 24 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:18.200 a fifteen year old who should be a freshman in 25 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:22.280 high school committing numerous arm robberies and other offenses, cutting 26 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:25.719 off ankle, monitors, etc. And the system never addressed it. 27 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:28.519 And Ken Kober, the head of the FOP, welcome again 28 00:01:28.560 --> 00:01:31.280 to the bill cunning him show so Ken, first of all, 29 00:01:31.319 --> 00:01:33.040 tell the American people who may not be aware of 30 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:36.480 the circumstances of the murder of Kyle Murick on Shortvine 31 00:01:36.519 --> 00:01:38.719 near the UC campus a few nights ago. 32 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:43.519 Hi, Billy, thanks for having me. Yeah, it was absolutely 33 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:46.760 a senseless murder that never should have happened. The suspect 34 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.760 fifteen years old that was just accused and had been 35 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.920 recently locked up of shooting another person or shooting at 36 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:56.840 a person and at a house in late November. 37 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.680 This person had been locked up and then they decided, well, 38 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:01.840 you know, maybe he's gonna be okay. 39 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:05.159 We'll let him out, put him on electronic monitoring, and 40 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:09.919 then April second, just days before the shooting, they terminated 41 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:11.639 his EMU and said, no, we're just gonna let you 42 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:14.120 roam free around the streets of Cincinnati. And of course 43 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:16.560 this is the end result something that should have been prevented. 44 00:02:16.879 --> 00:02:19.840 And you said that the Hamliny County Juvenile court system 45 00:02:20.319 --> 00:02:24.879 did not address repeated attempts to put himself in prison. 46 00:02:24.919 --> 00:02:27.840 In fact, there were numerous, and I would imagine Judge 47 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:30.280 Carrie Bloom is going to raise her ugly head again 48 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:35.680 relative to giving these juvenile murderers more chances. So as 49 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:38.400 far as shooting at the house, so as I understand 50 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:41.599 that he was charged with many offenses, only a few 51 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:43.840 of which he was actually apprehended for in which he 52 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:46.680 connected armed robberies. This is like a freshman in high 53 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:49.080 school going on for years. One might ask for is 54 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:51.800 the father. That's a different issue. But can you give 55 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:54.719 any meat to the bones about simply this kid, this 56 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:57.919 fifteen year old shooting at a house in November. Why? 57 00:03:00.039 --> 00:03:01.400 Pretty much because he's out of control. 58 00:03:01.479 --> 00:03:05.000 I mean, he has more had more charges signed against 59 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:06.639 him than he has years on this earth. 60 00:03:07.960 --> 00:03:11.039 And you started with stealing a car and. 61 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:13.439 Running from the police. I mean, who didn't see that 62 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:15.759 this pattern was going to escalate? And then of course 63 00:03:15.800 --> 00:03:19.199 it leads to he's over in Norwood, shoots at somebody, 64 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:21.680 bullets go through a house, he gets locked up for that, 65 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:23.919 and then let's ride out. I mean, this is a 66 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:26.000 pattern that we see all the time. Kids start with 67 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:29.159 your minor crimes, they're not held accountable, and then what 68 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:30.680 are they going to do. They're just going to continue 69 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:32.840 to escalate and escalate and escalat, and that's what has 70 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:33.960 been done in this situation. 71 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:36.520 Do you have some idea how old he was when 72 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:40.680 he first committed serious felonies. He's fifteen years old. Now 73 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:43.639 he's finally charged with murder. That might be plied down 74 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:45.280 at some point. Who knows if he's going to be 75 00:03:45.319 --> 00:03:48.719 bound over that's another issue. But nonetheless, when did he 76 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:50.000 start his crime spree. 77 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:53.159 Well, they didn't start even charging him criminally until he 78 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:57.439 was thirteen, So between thirteen and fourteen, he's stealing cars, 79 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.159 you're committing felonies. And of course now at leads to 80 00:04:00.599 --> 00:04:03.120 to this this incident that ead it just should not 81 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:04.719 have ever happened, never should have been there to be 82 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:05.280 able to do this. 83 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:08.199 So under thirteen. If you're like nine, ten or eleven 84 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:12.319 committing serious felonies, that doesn't even arise to the level 85 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.919 of arresting them. Good, what do you do with the 86 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:16.800 ten years? What do you do with a ten year old? 87 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:20.480 Well, that's the problem, you know, is there becomes the 88 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.480 how culpable is a nine or ten year old? And 89 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:27.120 I think every situation is different, you know, but what 90 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:29.920 we're seeing is it's not necessarily the nine, ten and. 91 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:30.560 Eleven year olds. 92 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:32.680 They're they're acting out and they're showing behaviors that are 93 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:35.600 eventually going to be criminal, but it's typically not until 94 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:38.120 they're the twelve, thirteen, fourteen years is when they when 95 00:04:38.160 --> 00:04:41.399 they really you know, have have their criminal uh pursuit 96 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:42.160 in high. 97 00:04:42.000 --> 00:04:44.759 Drives and in fact, Ken Kobert, we cannot give out 98 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:47.199 his name because that would be considered improper. Correct, you 99 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:51.240 can't say who it is. Yeah, that's unkind, that's no good, 100 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:56.879 that's unkind. Uh. Kyle Muhrick was simply at Short Vine. 101 00:04:57.199 --> 00:04:59.800 I've been there once or twice by Bogarts. He was 102 00:04:59.800 --> 00:05:02.600 on the cell phone. The video seems to indicate that 103 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.720 Kyle Muick was simply enjoying a rare weather good night, 104 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:09.360 and he was simply there on his phone and take 105 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:11.040 us through the video on what it showed. 106 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:15.199 Well, yeah, he's standing there clearly, whether checking a text 107 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.120 message or sending a text message, only to have a 108 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:22.680 gun shoved in his stomach. He immediately reacts, tries to 109 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:24.800 run away from the situation to get out of it, 110 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:27.600 and in the meantime he ends up getting shot a 111 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.920 couple times, and he ends up being able to retrieve 112 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:35.360 his legally owned firearm and return fire trying to defend himself. 113 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:38.360 And he didn't know it, but he was dead man walking. 114 00:05:38.480 --> 00:05:41.120 He continued to run away a little bit until the 115 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:45.079 bullets took effect. And did did this fifteen year old perpetrator? 116 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:45.720 Was he shot? 117 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:48.879 It's my understanding he did take a couple bullets. 118 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:50.519 Yes, but he's doing okay. 119 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:55.240 Yeah, he should be now at twenty twenty. 120 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.279 Now how long we don't know, but mind understanding, he's 121 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.000 been released from the hospital and he is in cut 122 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.120 to they at least for the interim at you know, over. 123 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:04.360 Twenty twenty on Auburn Avenue. 124 00:06:04.560 --> 00:06:06.800 And as you know, when you're seventeen years old, you 125 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:09.600 should be bound over as an adult committing adult crime. 126 00:06:09.639 --> 00:06:12.480 Means adult time. But is there some question in your 127 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:15.600 mind whether the charge is going to be reduced. We 128 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:18.000 have a brand new prosecutor, and whether he's actually going 129 00:06:18.079 --> 00:06:22.120 to face adult time for these crimes or not. 130 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:25.519 Well, you know, it's interesting because we just had this 131 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:29.480 last summer of sixteen seventeen year old kid that shot 132 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.920 at a policeman was charged as an adult, went through 133 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:36.639 the hearing through juvenile court and they denied it. So 134 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:39.160 I don't have a ton of hope that this kid's 135 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:41.759 going to get tried as an adult, because if you're 136 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.120 they're going to allow somebody to shoot at a policeman, 137 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:46.959 I don't. I don't have a whole lot of hope 138 00:06:46.959 --> 00:06:48.639 that they're going to bind this kid over. They should, 139 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:50.680 but that's still yet to be seen. 140 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.759 And Judge Carrie Bloom remains the administrative judge and juvenile court. 141 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.120 He's in charge of what happens. And I went through 142 00:06:57.160 --> 00:06:59.560 this a long time with Melissa Powers and Joe Deeters 143 00:06:59.560 --> 00:07:02.480 that if they're under eighteen, they do not have the power, 144 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.720 the ability, the legalities to reach into juvenile court and 145 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:08.120 grab the case and put it in an adult court. Is 146 00:07:08.160 --> 00:07:10.319 up to the juvenile court judge and if the juvenile Court, 147 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:12.959 Judge Carrie Bloom does not want to do it. And 148 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:16.079 when you have a teenage boy shooting at police, trying 149 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:19.879 to murder police officers, the future likely is not bright. 150 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:24.079 And Judge Carrie Bloom in those cases do not bind over. Correct, 151 00:07:25.319 --> 00:07:25.879 That's correct? 152 00:07:25.920 --> 00:07:28.480 Yeah, Like I said, the juvenile court has the sole discretion. 153 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:31.519 They have a hearing. Let's go to bind overhearing where. 154 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.319 The prosecutor's office will present all their evidence. They will 155 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:38.680 argue why these kids have you should be held responsible 156 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:41.279 as adults for these heinous crimes. But ultimately it falls 157 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:44.519 on the juvenile court judge to decide whether they want 158 00:07:44.519 --> 00:07:45.279 to allow that or not. 159 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:48.000 And in this case, is Judge Carrie Bloom going to 160 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:50.360 have this case again and again and again or is 161 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:51.680 she going to give it to someone else. 162 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:58.000 I'm going to see if that's going to happen. My understanding, 163 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:00.639 and I'm waiting. I'm going to do some public refford's request. 164 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.839 My understanding is that she either has or is going 165 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.079 to recuse herself in this case. But I've got to 166 00:08:07.319 --> 00:08:09.439 go do some records requests to confirm that. 167 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.000 As far as the guy, the teenager the teenage boy 168 00:08:13.040 --> 00:08:15.399 that shot at the police. You know where he is now? Now, 169 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:18.759 this is attempted murder of a police officer. If successful, 170 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:23.000 we would have a Sunny Kim situation. But where's the 171 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:25.439 kid that shot at the cop who was not bound 172 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:26.560 over to adult court? Do you know? 173 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:30.160 I think it's still going through the process. I don't 174 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:31.439 know whether he's locked up or not. 175 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.360 I know he was at the time last summer, but 176 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.519 I would be shocked if he was still locked up. 177 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:38.080 Because you don't lock him up for a year. You 178 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:39.559 don't lock him up, you let him go in an 179 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.159 ankle monitor, which, as you know, is not exactly much 180 00:08:43.200 --> 00:08:45.879 of a punishment. So that this is a teenage boy 181 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:49.200 who tried to murder an in uniform Cincinnati police officer, 182 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:52.919 and I would think the victim's got to be notified. 183 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:55.679 Is there any law that requires the juvenile court system 184 00:08:55.759 --> 00:08:58.519 under Kerry Bloom to notify the police officer that the guy, 185 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:01.600 a teenage boy that tried to murder him is now free. 186 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:03.879 Yeah, it's under Marcy's Law they have to do some 187 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:08.399 of these things. But that's a whole other issue we've 188 00:09:08.960 --> 00:09:11.840 discovered with Marcy's Law. But there's gonna be some things 189 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:13.919 going on. I sat on the Supreme Court head of 190 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:17.879 Juvenile Reform task force that I was part of, and 191 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:20.759 I think those recommendations are going to be in front 192 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:22.919 of the General Assembly here as soon as they get 193 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.159 done with the budget in the state and hopefully hold 194 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:30.399 these judges more accountable with certain things such as Marcy's Law. 195 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:32.600 And the other thing that the boy that shot at 196 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:35.360 the end uniformed police officer did. He, I assume ind 197 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:36.360 a previous record. 198 00:09:37.840 --> 00:09:40.120 He was on a forty eight hour crimes free where 199 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:44.440 he had committed twelve different fallony offenses, including armed robbery, carjacking. 200 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:46.720 I mean, you name it was. 201 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:49.279 That was a forty eight hour period that all came 202 00:09:49.320 --> 00:09:50.960 to head when he shot at a police officer. 203 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.840 Okay, let's move on to Benjamin Addison was a twenty 204 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:59.919 one year old UC student who did everything right, had 205 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:02.960 good grades. He was a mentor to incoming freshman. He 206 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.320 worked one or two part time jobs to help his 207 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:09.799 parents pay for his education at UC. He's in Mount Auburn. 208 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:12.360 He sees the lights of his car on I think 209 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:14.600 it was a Hyundai. He's thinking, Okay, someone's going to 210 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:18.320 car jack me. He goes out and sadly he confronts 211 00:10:18.679 --> 00:10:22.600 Justin Dugan at that point was seventeen years old. And 212 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:26.480 one thing led to another, and Benjin and Benjamin Addison 213 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:30.159 was murdered in cold blood in Mount Alburn, a UC student, 214 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:32.919 by Justin Dugan. We couldn't give out his name until 215 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:37.240 recently and the powers that be in Hewny County Prosecutor's 216 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:43.039 office decided to reduce the charges against Justin Dugan the 217 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:46.039 seventeen year old is now eighteen years old, and to 218 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.120 allow him to plead guilty to lesser charges. And there 219 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.919 was in a great sentence of twenty one years as 220 00:10:52.919 --> 00:10:56.519 opposed to a murder which is fifteen to life, and 221 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:59.480 normally fifteen to life means basically what. 222 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:03.279 They're going to be there for life. 223 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:06.440 At least fifteen to life gives you a chance of 224 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.600 keeping him for a long time, I mean, especially with 225 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.960 a gun speck. But the powers would be in the 226 00:11:11.960 --> 00:11:15.080 Prosecutor's office said, you know what, let let's reduce the 227 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:16.960 charges on this. What's your feeling about that? 228 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:19.879 Well, I've got two one. 229 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:21.960 I mean, this is another juvenile that committed just an 230 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:24.759 absolute senseless crime for a young man that had just 231 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.320 a bright future ahead of him that's now gone because 232 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:28.679 of these just out. 233 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:29.679 Of control juveniles. 234 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:32.600 But without knowing all of the particulars of the case, 235 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:35.679 you know, he got sentenced to twenty one years. I 236 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:40.360 don't know what conversation the prosecutor's office had with the victims. 237 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:41.960 Family, with the police. 238 00:11:43.039 --> 00:11:45.159 You know, I'm glad to see you got twenty one years, 239 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:47.000 but yeah, of course we would like to see him 240 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:50.639 locked up forever. Yeah, but you know, I heard some 241 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:52.960 of the comments that the prosecutor's office has made about 242 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:54.799 you know, there's always a risk, and there is a 243 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:56.919 risk when you go to trial. There's a risk that 244 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:58.840 they get found not guilty. There's a risk that there's 245 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:01.759 a hung jury. But in my case, in this case, 246 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.799 and not knowing what the victim's family thought, it's the 247 00:12:04.879 --> 00:12:07.360 victim's family wanted him to go to life, you know, 248 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:10.480 go to prison for life, and that was the chance 249 00:12:10.519 --> 00:12:12.519 that they were willing to take, and in my opinion, 250 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:13.759 that's what they should have done. 251 00:12:13.799 --> 00:12:16.159 But I don't know whether or not that conversation occurred. 252 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:20.519 Well, according to media accounts, County Pillage To prosecutor held 253 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.320 a news conference and said that there's a risk of 254 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:26.440 going to trial, which is you might be found not guilty. Also, 255 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:29.600 lots of work to go through a trial, go through 256 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:31.480 the appeal. It's going to be a three to five 257 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:35.399 year process. But I spoke to a recent Hamley County 258 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:38.960 prosecutor who must go nameless, who said, in these cases, 259 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.679 when you have clear and convincing proof that the murder 260 00:12:43.720 --> 00:12:46.279 took place, and you have the person that did it, 261 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:51.200 and you have overwhelming evidence that Dugan's responsible, the only 262 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:55.200 way to reduce charges would be if the family requested it. 263 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:58.039 If the mother and father of Benjamin Addison had said 264 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:00.159 in the prosecutor's off his look, we don't want to 265 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.279 go through the trial. We've suffered enough. We're willing to 266 00:13:03.279 --> 00:13:06.080 take twenty one years as opposed to thirty five to 267 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.919 forty years because we want to put this behind us. 268 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:13.360 That's when you reduce the charge, because you want to 269 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:15.360 make sure he's in prison for a long time. But 270 00:13:15.840 --> 00:13:18.360 that this former prosecutor said to me, you don't reduce 271 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.960 charges on a murder case armed robbery with this Justin 272 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:26.799 Dugan character that's committed numerous offenses over his life, that 273 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:30.799 armed robbery was his business. When the family is adamantly 274 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:34.639 opposed to it. In fact, I can recall the sobbing 275 00:13:34.919 --> 00:13:37.759 of his father thinking that this kid's going to be 276 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.600 out of jail and when he's thirty seven or thirty 277 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.440 eight years old, and the animal that crawls out of 278 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:48.000 Lucasville and when he's thirty seven thirty eight years old 279 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.200 is not going to be a rhad scholar. He's going 280 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.320 to go back to the business that he knew. So 281 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:55.080 this former prosecutor said to me, you don't reduce charges 282 00:13:55.279 --> 00:13:57.799 when the family's adamant against it. You have a clear 283 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:01.200 case and you risk it. Sometimes you're you don't roll 284 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.639 the dice. Maybe in today's world you rolled the dice. 285 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.440 But to have twelve jurors from Hamley County finding Justin 286 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:11.399 Dugan not guilty of this case when the evidence is 287 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:15.799 overwhelming of guilt is ridiculous. It's what this former prosecutor 288 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:18.000 told me. Do I make any sense to you? 289 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:19.840 Absolutely? 290 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.000 You know, if you got you got a victim family 291 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:24.879 saying no, we want to go to trial. We want 292 00:14:24.919 --> 00:14:26.759 him to be held accountable for as long as he can, 293 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:28.320 then that's what you have to do, you know. 294 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:29.919 And the one thing that struck me. 295 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:32.080 As odd that you said, was you know that the 296 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:34.200 prosecutor's office said, well, you know this, this is a 297 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:35.279 lot of time and a lot of work. 298 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:35.559 Yeah. 299 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:37.240 I don't think you can put I don't think you 300 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.720 can put a value on time or work for a 301 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.240 victim's family that has had to suffer the loss that 302 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:43.879 the Addison family has had to suffer. 303 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:49.519 Well, there's a new prosecutor in town now. Lastly, this morning, 304 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:53.200 Scott Sloane had on a council member, Scotty Johnson. And 305 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:55.919 Scotty Johnson I have respect for him because he's a 306 00:14:55.919 --> 00:14:59.039 police officer on council now, spent like twenty five or 307 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:02.279 thirty years, and Scotti Johnson has a few lucid moments 308 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:04.799 these days. He is a liberal Democrat, not a lot, 309 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:07.559 but I still respect him because of his service to 310 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:11.120 the city. And he made the comments that at these 311 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:15.200 youth football games in which shootings take place, that the 312 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.000 core of that are the fathers, so to speak, of 313 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:21.039 these nine year old boys in uniform betting three to 314 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:24.639 five thousand dollars on the outcome of games. And I'm 315 00:15:24.679 --> 00:15:27.240 listening to this and I'm thinking of youth football leagues 316 00:15:27.720 --> 00:15:29.799 shots fired. I think one was at Wanner Hills High 317 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:32.600 School and others in which the father's on the sideline 318 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:38.360 like rolling dice, betting on their son's football scores. And 319 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:41.039 I'm thinking, well, at least his father's involvement in the 320 00:15:41.120 --> 00:15:43.840 kid's life, which often doesn't happen today. But this is 321 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:46.000 the wrong kind of involvement. If we got to a 322 00:15:46.039 --> 00:15:49.480 point now, Ken Kober of the FOP, when we have 323 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.879 to have metal detectors and armed police officers are youth 324 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.679 football games to keep the shootings to a minimum. 325 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:59.120 Yeah, I mean, that's the unfortunate reality. 326 00:15:59.159 --> 00:16:01.360 And you wonder what these kids turned fourteen or fifteen 327 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:02.320 where they get it from. 328 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:04.480 They get it from their parents, they see. 329 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.279 I mean, this is a perfect example of this kind 330 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:09.960 of nonsense that's going on that leads to violence. I 331 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:13.120 remember several years ago there was a shooting at a 332 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:16.559 Peace Bowl where kids were playing youth football in Avondale, 333 00:16:16.559 --> 00:16:18.200 trying to advocate for peace, and there. 334 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:21.399 Was a shooting. The society has just gone terribly wrong. 335 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:23.440 I don't know how we correct it. You have a 336 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:25.679 juvenile court judge in the system that want to hold 337 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.320 vicious criminals accountable. We have a new prosecutor's office that 338 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:32.159 breaks down the charges of murderers. And now we have 339 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:35.279 a city council and we're talking about metal detectors at 340 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:40.840 nine year old football games and it's April. I don't know. 341 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:44.360 I mean, we had a ballwark against this kind of 342 00:16:44.360 --> 00:16:46.559 stuff when you had a prosecutor's office said not on 343 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:49.639 my watch. And sometimes this former prosecutor said to me, 344 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:51.840 you got to try the case. You got to say, well, 345 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:56.159 you know, we might lose, but I'd rather have justice delayed. 346 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.399 We'll catch them the next time on a hung jerry, 347 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.279 We'll try them again, but we're going to reduce charges 348 00:17:01.879 --> 00:17:04.039 just to save us a lot of work. When the 349 00:17:04.119 --> 00:17:08.119 family is adamant against it, and Ben Benjamin Addison is 350 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:10.799 dead and Justin dug is going to be walking around 351 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:13.640 our community in the next seventeen or eighteen years. You 352 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:16.440 get ten to fifteen percent good time, so he'll be 353 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:20.920 out in seventeen or eighteen years, and the Addison family 354 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:23.720 is devastated. To me, that's not justice. Well, Ken Kober, 355 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:26.359 let's keep the lines of communication open and we get 356 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:30.359 we have the government we deserve, and your vote makes 357 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.119 a difference. And when this stuff goes on, if people 358 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:38.160 keep electing Judge Carry Bloom and Juvenile Court who is 359 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:42.720 a liberal social activist with a black robe on freeing 360 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:46.799 these murderers and criminals and rapists to commit more crime. 361 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:49.799 I can recall she released a fifteen year old boy 362 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:53.240 who raped a thirteen year old boy because he had 363 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:55.200 to get some counseling. That the rapists had to get 364 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:57.680 some counseling and had to write a book report saying 365 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:01.079 how sorry he was raping a thirteen year old boy 366 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:03.759 by a fifteen year old boy. And that's where we are. 367 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:06.640 But I once again, Ken Kober, thanks for coming on 368 00:18:06.720 --> 00:18:08.759 and have a continues to have a good Friday, and 369 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:10.880 we'll see what happens down the road. And Ken Kober, 370 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.920 who is the CEO of the FOP, thanks for coming 371 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:16.519 on the Bill Cunningham Show. Thank you again. 372 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:18.319 Sure, thanks for having me. 373 00:18:18.319 --> 00:18:20.559 Bill, have a good weekend. God bless you. We have 374 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:25.160 the government we deserve. Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred 375 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:29.680 wulw HI, Billy Cunningham, the Great American. May you and 376 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:32.200 yours continue to have a good Friday. We'll discuss that 377 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:37.960 later on. But sometimes when odd, weird event take place, 378 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:41.400 it must be commented upon because if this becomes normal, 379 00:18:41.680 --> 00:18:44.279 which I fear it already has. It's not good for 380 00:18:44.319 --> 00:18:46.680 the culture, not good for the country, not good for 381 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:51.200 the place we live called Cincinnati, Ohio. And I'm referring 382 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:56.119 to the numerous recent examples of vicious criminals who are, 383 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:58.559 shall I say, getting off for one reason or another 384 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.759 because it doesn't fit a die trap, because it doesn't 385 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:07.160 fit within the social justice constructs of a juvenile court 386 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.119 judge named Carry Bloom. And you just heard from Ken 387 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:14.599 Kober and Scott Sloan had on Scotti Johnson of city 388 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:19.079 council earlier today. And the outsider looking at this would think, 389 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:23.519 am I living in some alternative universe? Is this become 390 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:27.240 so mainstream it's acceptable? It's okay that we're not shocked 391 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:31.519 by the behavior of some so called elected officials when 392 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:34.079 it comes to protecting the communities in which they live. 393 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:37.680 Is this normal stuff? Is it kind of normal to 394 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:41.599 have a city council member in a public form on 395 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:44.240 video with a big microphone in front of his face 396 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:49.759 talking about gunshots, attempted murder, and felonious assaults committed by 397 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:54.279 fathers and coaches at youth football games. You're in uniform, 398 00:19:54.319 --> 00:19:57.799 ready to play a little bit of triple option football, 399 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:01.559 and all of a sudden shots are fired because the 400 00:20:01.599 --> 00:20:04.759 so called fathers and coaches on the sidelines have either 401 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:07.039