WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What what's going to happen? 3 00:00:12.359 --> 00:00:25.960 I'll take what Well, what's up everybody, and welcome back 4 00:00:25.960 --> 00:00:28.280 to another Headless is magical, man bag. I got my 5 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:31.120 co host Nick joining me here tonight. He's a little 6 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:33.799 bit sick. So Nick, tell where they can find. 7 00:00:33.640 --> 00:00:35.960 You, huh at the Occult Rejects. 8 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:39.920 That's on all major podcasts. Bitchoot Well never, I mean 9 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:41.320 I'm be toaling, honest. You can go and pitchoot and 10 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:43.280 find something. I don't think I posted ship there probably 11 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:45.000 a year. It's just a pain in the ass of 12 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:48.520 a platform. What uh, bitch you rumble and YouTube and yeah, 13 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:51.200 old major podcasts. And we do also have a cult 14 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:52.960 research institute dot org. 15 00:00:53.159 --> 00:00:54.200 Keep forgetting to promote that. 16 00:00:54.560 --> 00:00:56.560 If you like to read, there's tons and tons of 17 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.560 free information on them. 18 00:00:59.600 --> 00:01:04.879 So absolutely We've got a couple of interesting symbols tonight. 19 00:01:05.599 --> 00:01:09.640 I'll start with mine. Oh, it's so simple. I had 20 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:13.920 to just do the torch. The torch. What could be 21 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:16.359 said about the torch. It's the symbol of heaven. It's 22 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:19.959 also the symbol of the underworld. It's the symbol of enlightenment, 23 00:01:20.000 --> 00:01:23.599 it's the symbol of carrying the truth with you, and 24 00:01:23.959 --> 00:01:29.120 it's associated with Prometheus as well as Hecate and the 25 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:34.239 underworld goddesses and gods. So there's a lot of stuff 26 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:36.920 going on with the torch in Greek symbolism, as well 27 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:38.760 as what we're going to be talking about a little 28 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:43.599 bit later, which which is the Zarathustrian reference of the 29 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:48.760 fire worshipers. So the Zarathustrians, right, the ones who worshiped 30 00:01:48.799 --> 00:01:53.239 the Mythris cult in Persia had a constantly burning fire. 31 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:55.400 They've got a fire over there now that I think 32 00:01:55.439 --> 00:01:59.920 has been burning for I don't know, three four thousand years, 33 00:02:00.159 --> 00:02:04.239 so they've just been constantly feeding it and it's by 34 00:02:04.319 --> 00:02:07.760 far one of the oldest continual fires in existence. There 35 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:10.759 was one in Rome, but they put it out after, 36 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:14.000 you know, Christianity took over, so they had about seven 37 00:02:14.120 --> 00:02:17.360 hundred years in Rome of having that fire go. But 38 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:21.439 then obviously that was a good enough. But the idea 39 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:25.240 with the torch is that this is sort of your 40 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:30.759 helping hand, your view in total black bleak obscurity. That's 41 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:33.080 the thing that that's the word keeps popping up when 42 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:36.319 it comes to darkness in the Greek language is obscurity. 43 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:41.800 The obscure depths. So it's the idea of having the 44 00:02:41.919 --> 00:02:45.159 light reach your eyes and being given a path out. 45 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:50.439 A lot like the orphic fable of him going down 46 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.439 to get his wife, bringing her up to the surface, 47 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:55.960 and then turning working around too early to find that 48 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:58.639 she's now faded back into a ghost and he will 49 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:02.240 never see her again. The idea is that this is 50 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.120 your opportunity, this is your golden chance, and when the 51 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:08.400 torch pops up. It's something to keep in mind, especially 52 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:13.159 if you think about the clubs, right, it's the clubs. 53 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:18.599 I think it's also called the staves in uh tarot right. 54 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:21.879 Oh yeah, you know that that fiery energy that's a 55 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:27.120 very torch like symbol. So yeah, the torch, it pretty 56 00:03:27.159 --> 00:03:31.280 much goes everywhere. So you better better not leave the 57 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:32.039 house with that one. 58 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:37.879 What do you got, nick, h Yeah, we got this one. 59 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:40.719 Oh you know what, I already forgot how to let 60 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:43.039 me look at that word again. I already forgot how 61 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:46.439 to pronounce it for avah. Yeah, that's what it was. 62 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:48.039 I was like, oh, hold you say this thing for 63 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:55.759 most people probably know it from Zoroastrianism. Yeah, a bearded figure. 64 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:57.800 What are you looking at? A beard figure emerging from 65 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:01.159 a winged ring. One hand rings the other holding a ring, 66 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:05.240 often read as a covenant ring or a diadem. 67 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:09.639 It crowns royal Scenes on how how to say. 68 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:14.840 This are commented maybe monuments from Darius, the histon cliff 69 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:19.720 relief to palace doorways at Persepolis and is a variously 70 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.600 interpreted as it's also called. Sometimes people called a hero 71 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:29.560 Mazda as the king's divine glory, or in modern Zoiastrinism, 72 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:36.879 the Zoroastrian usage as a fravasi a guardian spirit. Of course, 73 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:41.319 the Harvard Art Museum keeps a limestone fragment labeled a 74 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.879 hero Mazda in the winged disc from the whole of 75 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:50.519 one hundred columns in Persepolis uh This image adepts an 76 00:04:50.560 --> 00:04:55.199 older near eastern winged disc familiar in Assyria in Egypt, 77 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:59.879 and retools it for imperial theology of Darius the first 78 00:05:00.680 --> 00:05:02.959 It was around five twenty two to forty six PCE. 79 00:05:04.240 --> 00:05:09.839 Scholars have long debated the identification. Older readings made it Heromazda. Others, 80 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:15.439 specially especially in Encyclopedia Iranica, argue the winged circle and 81 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:19.120 the wing demand represent emanations of royal glory. 82 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:21.279 That's where you get that pharabuna. 83 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:27.120 Stylistic shifts from Assyrian square to Egyptian rounded wing tips 84 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:36.879 between bistonin Bisotune and Persepolis tracks the evolution and Beheston 85 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:41.560 or Bisoton round five twenty BCE above Darius and the 86 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:46.800 chained of Rebels. The winged figure hovers hand raised photographs 87 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:49.720 of the relief and standard site. Dussier's showed the placement. 88 00:05:49.839 --> 00:05:54.360 The inscription itself invokes a heroa Mazda as Darius's divine 89 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:59.120 legitimate and then you see in Persepolis early fifth century 90 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:06.240 doorway lintels and carry the same figure now with rounded 91 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:13.480 Egyptian style feathers. Iranica's Persepolis entry explicitly interprets the winged 92 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:17.879 circleman as symbols of God given fortune rather than an 93 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.639 ancestors spirit or a literal portrait of the God. 94 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:24.560 It's funny about the ancestor spirit part, because you you 95 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:29.560 have both the Persepolists, right, which would be Persian. So 96 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:34.120 when they talk about Perseus in the Greek mythology, they 97 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:38.480 might as well be saying that Persian guy, because that's 98 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:41.560 sort of what it means. And also you have Farsi, right, 99 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:47.120 so his his name and I guess the royal context 100 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:52.199 has that far connotation, which then goes back to kind 101 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:54.319 of that spirit of a people. 102 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:55.040 Right. 103 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:59.000 So you've got the peer and the fear that are 104 00:06:59.040 --> 00:07:01.439 sort of coming together with one icon. So it seems 105 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:03.879 to me like there's a lot more of that, you know, 106 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:07.920 tribal or ancestral spirit going on than maybe they're giving 107 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:08.439 it credit for. 108 00:07:11.319 --> 00:07:11.879 What it meant. 109 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:15.279 Then there is no single ancient key that explains every element, 110 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.480 competing scholarly readings you could present. 111 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:20.680 You know, that just a. 112 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:22.040 Couple of different ways of looking at it. 113 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:26.279 Her Maaza the God Museum labels, especially Harvard, call the 114 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:29.839 figure a hero maaza and a wing disc matching royal 115 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:34.160 inscriptions that credit or amaz for the king's victories. 116 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:36.959 Then you can look at his royal glory again. 117 00:07:37.439 --> 00:07:42.000 Iranica's iconography articles argue that the winged circle and wing 118 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:46.360 demand represent the emanating glory that authorizes kingship, not an 119 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:50.120 ancestor soul and not always a literal god portrait. The 120 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:53.360 shift from Bussoton to Pricipolis is part of this case. 121 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:55.480 And then this is. 122 00:07:55.439 --> 00:08:00.439 The modern Zorestrian reading, you know, and popular rooted in 123 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:05.600 textual ideas of the pharophecy right prophecy, but projected onto 124 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:11.759 are committed art much later. Yeah, so fucked that all 125 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:14.319 up with that last paragraph. But basically there's our ash 126 00:08:14.399 --> 00:08:17.560 and stick it over. So uh yeah, I just thought 127 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:19.240 it was interesting to actually bring that one up because 128 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.439 I have seen that before and it's all, you know, 129 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:25.000 it's such a it's such a playoff in like my opinion, 130 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:26.720 just the winged fucking Egyptian wing. 131 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:32.159 Disc right right, as well as bail right. So the 132 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:35.120 bail version that you see in Carthage is like this 133 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:39.320 sun disc above Tenet, which would be the more triangular goddess, 134 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.039 and so that bailed sun disc looks so much similar 135 00:08:43.120 --> 00:08:44.960 to that, as well as the Egyptian version of the 136 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.600 sun disc, which you know, it's all sort of playing 137 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:51.200 off of those squint motifs, right, If you squint at this, 138 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:53.600 you're gonna see all of those other motifs sort of 139 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:55.840 blending into one. So they they kind of keep it 140 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:58.799 true to the basic form and then sort of build 141 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:01.080 off of it culturally, like they were saying with the 142 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:04.960 rounded wings versus the square ones of the original Samarians. 143 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:06.759 Oh you know what, I got some pictures to show. 144 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:10.320 There's another one. 145 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.759 Looks like a h looks like a magician in a circle. 146 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:24.080 Yeah, all right, right, yeah, he's got his, he's got 147 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:25.440 his a couple of water with. 148 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:31.879 Him, right, it's on disc over top of the people. 149 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:38.559 It's just from all the philology, it sounds really similar 150 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:42.000 to what a spirit of a people would be considering 151 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:45.240 all of the roots that go straight back to what 152 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:49.000 they define as their culture. So I don't know, I 153 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:51.279 mean for them to go that hard on this is 154 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.440 not an ancestral spirit. It's like, why are you going 155 00:09:54.440 --> 00:09:57.159 that hard on it? It's kind of obvious that maybe 156 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:00.320 it has some ancestral heritage. Especially look, they went from 157 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:04.720 this Egyptian or the Sumerian style square wings over to 158 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:07.519 the rounded wings of the Egyptians. So it had to 159 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:10.679 be so important to their people that it would keep going. 160 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:14.799 And I think, you know, having that magical element to 161 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:16.799 it as well, and this is sort of a symbol 162 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.200 of good fortune. Well making that. 163 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.840 Good fortune you can change juristically. 164 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:27.519 Now he's he's carrying another ring in his other hand 165 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:30.320 in this one, but in that other one he's got 166 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:31.919 a uh, chalice cup of water. 167 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:35.360 That's what I meant here when I said a couple 168 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:38.159 of water before I challenge. He's got his challenge, because. 169 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:40.120 I mean that would be a that would be something 170 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:42.840 you could be holding a magician, especially in. 171 00:10:46.679 --> 00:10:48.519 Is he being handed that or is he handing it 172 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:50.799 to someone else? Is there a snake? It looks like 173 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:52.000 there's a snake around it. 174 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:54.960 Yeah, you don't suck. 175 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:56.279 You don't know what the hell is on this thing. 176 00:10:57.639 --> 00:10:58.240 You don't know what else. 177 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.799 Well, you can kind of tell those are feathers right 178 00:11:00.799 --> 00:11:03.000 down below the hand. You can see the feathers that 179 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.240 he's doing the sort of benediction hand only you know, 180 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:09.399 not exactly, but he's doing it over top of the coup, 181 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:12.720 probably blessing it. And it has something to do with 182 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:14.720 that snake that's wrapped around the cup. But you know, 183 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:18.799 there's so many different snake and cup motifs. It's it's 184 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:25.919 pretty interesting that this one would be a continuation of that. Well, 185 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:31.279 I've got some questions from a listener, but you've got 186 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:36.679 to send me. Yeah, you've got to send your interesting 187 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:43.559 dream slash occult esoteric experiences to my mail bag, that 188 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:45.519 is Headless's magical mail bag. 189 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.440 Right, you don't understand I'll be totally asured the numbers, like, 190 00:11:48.440 --> 00:11:50.600 get I'm surprised you aren't flooded with fucking shit. I'll 191 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:53.440 be totally honest with you. I don't get it at all. Like, 192 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:55.679 I'm like, what do all listen to smoke fucking weed 193 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:56.720 and they don't dream anymore? 194 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:58.559 Like fuck, I don't know. 195 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:00.960 Like, I'm not even trying to break you would think 196 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.000 you should be flooded with your fucking mailbag, dude, I'm 197 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.440 not even trying to be cocky. 198 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:09.279 Great, well, I think people get nervous, and if you 199 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:12.120 are nervous about it, just put in there that you 200 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:15.039 don't want your name, yeah, and I'll read your name. 201 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.399 It's pretty simple. But uh, I've got this from Joe Ferguson. Hey, guys, 202 00:12:20.399 --> 00:12:22.519 it's Joe Ferguson again. This time I have a question. 203 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:24.600 First off, I want to say I love The Occult 204 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.360 Rejects just about every episode I have enjoyed. But I 205 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.279 have a question for you and Nick. I'm a middle 206 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:31.559 aged man who is a homosexual. Maybe you have heard 207 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:33.799 of us, I joke, but I've never really heard of 208 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.919 you guys talk about your personal views on homosexuality. Maybe 209 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:41.559 I haven't listened to those episodes or avoid controversies. It's 210 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:45.639 something that you guys don't comment on most much, and honestly, 211 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:48.759 it does really matter. I love the content, the subject matter, 212 00:12:48.840 --> 00:12:52.720 research all you guys do. But I have heard some 213 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:55.879 comments and it would seem to the untrained ear that 214 00:12:55.919 --> 00:12:59.080 it would be homophobic slurs. But I am not applying 215 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:02.639 at all one of those flags carrying, screwing in the 216 00:13:02.679 --> 00:13:06.559 street type of gaze. So I guess he's just talking 217 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:10.279 about our feelings on homosexuality, and you know, if you're 218 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:12.279 keeping it inside of your house? 219 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:14.840 Fuck did this question come from? 220 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:17.799 Like? I could give two flying fucks when anybody sucks 221 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:19.720 a fox. To be totally honest with you, you can 222 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:21.279 cut your dicko, stick it up your ass and go 223 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:23.600 fuck a fury if you want. I can't less what 224 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:26.159 anybody does, And honestly, I want to ask, what the 225 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:30.799 fuck does that have to do with magic? This podcast 226 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:32.559 is about magic, What the fuck does it have to 227 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.639 do about sexuality, my thought on sex, on politics or anything. 228 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:38.159 This shit is getting out of control with this type 229 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:41.080 of shit. Whether fuck does my thoughts on everythingthing have 230 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:42.440 to make you feel good about something? 231 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:45.039 Right? 232 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:47.639 This shit is just silly. I mean, I'm not. 233 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.960 You can give two flying fucks if somebody sucks pussy 234 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:51.399 or cock. 235 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:56.960 You gotta make sure that everybody has the perfect set 236 00:13:57.039 --> 00:14:00.120 of beliefs and values as you do, so that you 237 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.440 can enjoy their contact online. I got a problem, though, 238 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:07.440 You're never gonna find somebody with all of your values. 239 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:09.720 Yeah, and Cody, we don't talk about sex magic on here, 240 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:12.440 so I don't know what to tell you. Sorry, I'm 241 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:14.720 just seeing somebody's comment, Well, sex magic, maybe we don't 242 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:18.960 talk about that either. Right, I'll talk about sex, and 243 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:20.960 I'll talk about drugs because I'm not trying to promote 244 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:22.639 any of that shit, because those are two things people 245 00:14:22.679 --> 00:14:23.480 can get lost down. 246 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:24.960 Right. 247 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:27.519 We do talk about fertility, but that's because people have 248 00:14:27.639 --> 00:14:31.039 mistaken it so much to be all about sex magic 249 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.440 that they don't see the fertility in their own lives, 250 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:37.279 which leads to a lot of creative stuff, right, Fertility 251 00:14:37.399 --> 00:14:40.120 energy leads to creativity. That's sort of what you need 252 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:41.559 so that you can get out of the rut. 253 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:44.519 Maybe it's because I keep saying obelisks aren't dix and 254 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:46.000 the guy thought I just didn't like cook. 255 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:51.240 Could be the fuck that was just so weird like this. 256 00:14:51.480 --> 00:14:53.919 I don't think I've ever said one thing about like 257 00:14:54.080 --> 00:15:01.000 showing gay people right, Like where the fucks that come from? 258 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:03.720 I don't know, But there's our there's. 259 00:15:04.120 --> 00:15:06.000 I'm sorry it spis down. I just think it's fucking 260 00:15:06.080 --> 00:15:06.679 silly as fuck. 261 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:10.080 Dude, that was a silly fucking question, Like why does 262 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:11.320 it matter what I think about that? 263 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:17.799 Right? And you know, it's one of those things where 264 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.200 if you really want to know about a person, maybe 265 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:25.639 the best place to get to know them isn't on 266 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:29.240 the show, like maybe talk to them outside of the show. 267 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:36.720 But what do I know? But no, seriously, seriously, folks. 268 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:42.360 So I did a live stream yesterday with with Prometheus Lens. 269 00:15:42.639 --> 00:15:45.600 Oh yeah, that dude is awesome. Good dude, man, right, 270 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:46.240 solid guy. 271 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.759 We were talking a lot about that fertility energy, and 272 00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:53.240 we were talking about specifically the Oklahoma land rush as 273 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:57.440 a fertility right. And so once you start plugging in 274 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:00.080 all the different factors, you see that they're they're le 275 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:04.240 us know Oklahoma City in eighteen eighty nine, and then 276 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:08.240 after one day there was Oklahoma City because they just 277 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:10.759 fired the cannon. Everybody went out there, grabbed their land, 278 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:14.440 and then got to work. It was everything that you 279 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:18.000 see in Oklahoma now was built eighteen eighty nine and later. 280 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:21.240 There was nothing there before that. So if you were 281 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:25.399 to talk about a powerful for fertility magic giving away land, 282 00:16:25.480 --> 00:16:29.120 having all these people rushed the plains and then driving 283 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:32.679 stakes into the ground where they're marking their own territory 284 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:37.399 sounds like a magical ritual, at least in abstraction to me, 285 00:16:37.799 --> 00:16:43.440 and for Oklahoma City specifically, they put four parks in 286 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.919 the four different quadrants, So northeast you've got one park, 287 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:50.440 south east you've got another quadrant, and so all of 288 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:54.399 these are laid out exactly how the homesteaders would have 289 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:59.399 plotted out their land for their claims. So in a 290 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:01.720 lot of ways you could see that. You know, the 291 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:07.200 fertility was in the connecting of people with land, right, 292 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:11.039 that's sort of what got it started in Oklahoma. And 293 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:16.000 it's Oklahoma's a terraformed state, so all of the dams, 294 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:18.720 all of the lakes that you see are not natural. 295 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:22.799 They actually dammed up these rivers and started changing the climate. 296 00:17:22.920 --> 00:17:26.599 So now Oklahoma has a huge biodiversity that they wouldn't 297 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.880 have without the people doing their part and sort of 298 00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:35.000 changing the barren wasteland to something habitable. And when they 299 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.359 talk about Indian Wars and all the rest of that stuff, 300 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:41.519 that wasn't Oklahoma after eighteen eighty nine. Like they just 301 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:43.440 got along and they did what they had to do 302 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:47.559 to make things better. They weren't in constant warfare like 303 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:52.720 people associate with the Midwest. So to me, it seems 304 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.960 like if you're going to maybe model a society around 305 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:00.880 having these frontiers and able to connect people to the 306 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:02.720 things that they want to do, you're going to see 307 00:18:02.720 --> 00:18:05.359 a lot more benefit in society. If that's the case, 308 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:10.680 You've got to have this sort of fertility mindset, right, 309 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:14.400 people talk about abundance mindset and not being limited, and 310 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.559 so in some ways, I think that's that's really what's needed, 311 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:21.599 is looking to those forces and not you know, turning 312 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:24.759 to your your own black bill. Like there's ways that 313 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:27.960 you can use your own creativity and your your means 314 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:31.799 of connecting to other people, creating a new land rush 315 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:35.759 in a certain frontier all on your own. And you 316 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:38.079 can kind of see that happening with bitcoin, right they 317 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:43.519 created the frontier all these people rushed in. But yeah, 318 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:44.880 it's a magical ritual. 319 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:47.519 I think you see Cody Johnson as saying that his 320 00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:48.480 family worked on the trail. 321 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:51.279 They walked on the trail. 322 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.079 Oh yeah, Scottish grandpa and married to Cherokee grandma and 323 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:56.920 walked the trail. 324 00:18:58.400 --> 00:18:58.839 Way. 325 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:01.519 So the trail of tiers wasn't that in the eighteen fifties? 326 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:02.680 She likes that white sugar. 327 00:19:05.559 --> 00:19:07.759 Well, that's the that's the thing too. There was a 328 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:10.319 lot of blending on the on the planes. I mean, 329 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:15.039 my family is like one sixteenth Native American that goes 330 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:19.799 way back. Wow and yeah, and that comes through the 331 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:24.640 I forgot his name. He's an existential poet that is 332 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:30.759 in our family line, Ralph Waldo Emerson. He's a distant cousin. 333 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:32.240 I'm sure you've heard of him before. 334 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.839 But yes, yes, that's a distant cousin of you. 335 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:40.920 Okay, right, So you know he had a lot of 336 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:46.519 you know, really huge impacts in the occult space. And 337 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.119 it's that's where a lot of the Native American influence 338 00:19:51.200 --> 00:19:53.759 came through in my family is from his his side 339 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:56.799 of the family. So kind of interesting, you know. 340 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:58.440 Real quick, I want to ask, is there's some people 341 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:01.200 in the chat. I think it's actually showing people commenting 342 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:04.200 from the vertical the vertical. 343 00:20:04.319 --> 00:20:05.319 How do you guys like that? 344 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:08.759 I don't know if anybody's gonna give an answer real quick, 345 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.359 but uh, I see yeah, because it's actually showing up 346 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:13.200 on my YouTube. It's two separate lives, and that kind 347 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:16.160 of irks me. But if you guys like the vertical. 348 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:17.559 One, let me know. I'll keep going. But I don't 349 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:18.319 know if it makes a difference. 350 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:20.920 It's supposed to be for people's phones, because like on 351 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:22.359 some of the comments, it looks like there's like a 352 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:25.160 phone or a tablet next to it. Uh. 353 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:29.359 Someone said, fine, all right, that one of the person 354 00:20:29.359 --> 00:20:30.640 that says I like the other way better? 355 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:34.559 All right, Well, Nephelo, uh hunter, you could you could 356 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:36.440 probably click on the other one and check it out. 357 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:37.279 But I don't know. 358 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:39.000 I never used it before. I figured I try it now, 359 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:40.160 but I didn't know it was going to send. 360 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:41.759 Out two different ones. It kind of looks silly on 361 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:42.240 my YouTube. 362 00:20:42.240 --> 00:20:46.240 Pitch great. Well, you know, maybe he gets more eyes 363 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:46.519 on it. 364 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:49.279 Yeah, that's true, that's true. That's true. 365 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:51.480 You know. One thing I just do want to say too, like, 366 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:53.960 like you know, with this show, even when I started out, 367 00:20:54.000 --> 00:20:55.720 I used to even kind of like shit on politics, 368 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:56.880 but I would shot on both sides. 369 00:20:57.119 --> 00:21:01.119 I don't even talk about politics anymore. I'm not trying. 370 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:04.000 This show is for anybody who's willing to listen. I 371 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:06.720 could shit on the Democrats one week and somebody could 372 00:21:06.759 --> 00:21:09.000 hear that and be a Democrat, and then that listen 373 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:11.000 that I just you know, brought up to Franklin scand 374 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:14.200 those all Republicans fucking kids, you know what I'm saying. 375 00:21:14.240 --> 00:21:17.400 So I'm not even playing that shit anymore. This channel 376 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:19.839 is for anybody who wants to listen. And obviously if 377 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:21.880 I feel that way, I don't have problems with people. 378 00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:23.920 I'm not selling shit. 379 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:25.759 I'm not trying to tell anybody to walk with me 380 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:27.839 down to the fucking end of the world. I'm not 381 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:32.000 growing a cult. There's no I'm actually authentic. I want 382 00:21:32.000 --> 00:21:35.279 people just to listen and try to learn. I don't 383 00:21:35.279 --> 00:21:38.880 give a fuck who you are, white, black, brown, gay, 384 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.079 whatever the fuck you want to call yourself these days, 385 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:42.039 I don't give a shit. 386 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:48.920 I just want to leave it like that, all right, You. 387 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.200 Know, I think, no matter what, anybody can have experience 388 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:53.880 with God, and if they're willing to try to do that, 389 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:54.559 he can listen to my. 390 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:57.279 Show, right. 391 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.480 Sorry, but it's funny because most of the time people 392 00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:05.960 who are selling experiences with God have very rarely ever 393 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:10.160 had them themselves, and they very insistently want your money. 394 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:13.960 So if that's the way people are used to I 395 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:14.680 guess yeah. 396 00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:15.359 Yeah, I don't know. 397 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:16.640 I just feel like I was giving a gift. So 398 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:18.039 why the fuck am I going to charge people? I 399 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:21.400 don't know what to say so to explain right, doing 400 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:23.480 God's work still as it sounds. So that's how I 401 00:22:23.480 --> 00:22:25.920