Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What what's going to happen?
Speaker 3: I'll take what Well, what's up everybody, and welcome back
Speaker 3: to another Headless is magical, man bag. I got my
Speaker 3: co host Nick joining me here tonight. He's a little
Speaker 3: bit sick. So Nick, tell where they can find.
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Speaker 3: So absolutely We've got a couple of interesting symbols tonight.
Speaker 3: I'll start with mine. Oh, it's so simple. I had
Speaker 3: to just do the torch. The torch. What could be
Speaker 3: said about the torch. It's the symbol of heaven. It's
Speaker 3: also the symbol of the underworld. It's the symbol of enlightenment,
Speaker 3: it's the symbol of carrying the truth with you, and
Speaker 3: it's associated with Prometheus as well as Hecate and the
Speaker 3: underworld goddesses and gods. So there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 3: going on with the torch in Greek symbolism, as well
Speaker 3: as what we're going to be talking about a little
Speaker 3: bit later, which which is the Zarathustrian reference of the
Speaker 3: fire worshipers. So the Zarathustrians, right, the ones who worshiped
Speaker 3: the Mythris cult in Persia had a constantly burning fire.
Speaker 3: They've got a fire over there now that I think
Speaker 3: has been burning for I don't know, three four thousand years,
Speaker 3: so they've just been constantly feeding it and it's by
Speaker 3: far one of the oldest continual fires in existence. There
Speaker 3: was one in Rome, but they put it out after,
Speaker 3: you know, Christianity took over, so they had about seven
Speaker 3: hundred years in Rome of having that fire go. But
Speaker 3: then obviously that was a good enough. But the idea
Speaker 3: with the torch is that this is sort of your
Speaker 3: helping hand, your view in total black bleak obscurity. That's
Speaker 3: the thing that that's the word keeps popping up when
Speaker 3: it comes to darkness in the Greek language is obscurity.
Speaker 3: The obscure depths. So it's the idea of having the
Speaker 3: light reach your eyes and being given a path out.
Speaker 3: A lot like the orphic fable of him going down
Speaker 3: to get his wife, bringing her up to the surface,
Speaker 3: and then turning working around too early to find that
Speaker 3: she's now faded back into a ghost and he will
Speaker 3: never see her again. The idea is that this is
Speaker 3: your opportunity, this is your golden chance, and when the
Speaker 3: torch pops up. It's something to keep in mind, especially
Speaker 3: if you think about the clubs, right, it's the clubs.
Speaker 3: I think it's also called the staves in uh tarot right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know that that fiery energy that's a
Speaker 3: very torch like symbol. So yeah, the torch, it pretty
Speaker 3: much goes everywhere. So you better better not leave the
Speaker 3: house with that one.
Speaker 1: What do you got, nick, h Yeah, we got this one.
Speaker 4: Oh you know what, I already forgot how to let
Speaker 4: me look at that word again. I already forgot how
Speaker 4: to pronounce it for avah. Yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, hold you say this thing for
Speaker 4: most people probably know it from Zoroastrianism. Yeah, a bearded figure.
Speaker 4: What are you looking at? A beard figure emerging from
Speaker 4: a winged ring. One hand rings the other holding a ring,
Speaker 4: often read as a covenant ring or a diadem.
Speaker 2: It crowns royal Scenes on how how to say.
Speaker 4: This are commented maybe monuments from Darius, the histon cliff
Speaker 4: relief to palace doorways at Persepolis and is a variously
Speaker 4: interpreted as it's also called. Sometimes people called a hero
Speaker 4: Mazda as the king's divine glory, or in modern Zoiastrinism,
Speaker 4: the Zoroastrian usage as a fravasi a guardian spirit. Of course,
Speaker 4: the Harvard Art Museum keeps a limestone fragment labeled a
Speaker 4: hero Mazda in the winged disc from the whole of
Speaker 4: one hundred columns in Persepolis uh This image adepts an
Speaker 4: older near eastern winged disc familiar in Assyria in Egypt,
Speaker 4: and retools it for imperial theology of Darius the first
Speaker 4: It was around five twenty two to forty six PCE.
Speaker 4: Scholars have long debated the identification. Older readings made it Heromazda. Others,
Speaker 4: specially especially in Encyclopedia Iranica, argue the winged circle and
Speaker 4: the wing demand represent emanations of royal glory.
Speaker 2: That's where you get that pharabuna.
Speaker 4: Stylistic shifts from Assyrian square to Egyptian rounded wing tips
Speaker 4: between bistonin Bisotune and Persepolis tracks the evolution and Beheston
Speaker 4: or Bisoton round five twenty BCE above Darius and the
Speaker 4: chained of Rebels. The winged figure hovers hand raised photographs
Speaker 4: of the relief and standard site. Dussier's showed the placement.
Speaker 4: The inscription itself invokes a heroa Mazda as Darius's divine
Speaker 4: legitimate and then you see in Persepolis early fifth century
Speaker 4: doorway lintels and carry the same figure now with rounded
Speaker 4: Egyptian style feathers. Iranica's Persepolis entry explicitly interprets the winged
Speaker 4: circleman as symbols of God given fortune rather than an
Speaker 4: ancestors spirit or a literal portrait of the God.
Speaker 3: It's funny about the ancestor spirit part, because you you
Speaker 3: have both the Persepolists, right, which would be Persian. So
Speaker 3: when they talk about Perseus in the Greek mythology, they
Speaker 3: might as well be saying that Persian guy, because that's
Speaker 3: sort of what it means. And also you have Farsi, right,
Speaker 3: so his his name and I guess the royal context
Speaker 3: has that far connotation, which then goes back to kind
Speaker 3: of that spirit of a people.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So you've got the peer and the fear that are
Speaker 3: sort of coming together with one icon. So it seems
Speaker 3: to me like there's a lot more of that, you know,
Speaker 3: tribal or ancestral spirit going on than maybe they're giving
Speaker 3: it credit for.
Speaker 2: What it meant.
Speaker 4: Then there is no single ancient key that explains every element,
Speaker 4: competing scholarly readings you could present.
Speaker 1: You know, that just a.
Speaker 2: Couple of different ways of looking at it.
Speaker 4: Her Maaza the God Museum labels, especially Harvard, call the
Speaker 4: figure a hero maaza and a wing disc matching royal
Speaker 4: inscriptions that credit or amaz for the king's victories.
Speaker 2: Then you can look at his royal glory again.
Speaker 4: Iranica's iconography articles argue that the winged circle and wing
Speaker 4: demand represent the emanating glory that authorizes kingship, not an
Speaker 4: ancestor soul and not always a literal god portrait. The
Speaker 4: shift from Bussoton to Pricipolis is part of this case.
Speaker 2: And then this is.
Speaker 4: The modern Zorestrian reading, you know, and popular rooted in
Speaker 4: textual ideas of the pharophecy right prophecy, but projected onto
Speaker 4: are committed art much later. Yeah, so fucked that all
Speaker 4: up with that last paragraph. But basically there's our ash
Speaker 4: and stick it over. So uh yeah, I just thought
Speaker 4: it was interesting to actually bring that one up because
Speaker 4: I have seen that before and it's all, you know,
Speaker 4: it's such a it's such a playoff in like my opinion,
Speaker 4: just the winged fucking Egyptian wing.
Speaker 3: Disc right right, as well as bail right. So the
Speaker 3: bail version that you see in Carthage is like this
Speaker 3: sun disc above Tenet, which would be the more triangular goddess,
Speaker 3: and so that bailed sun disc looks so much similar
Speaker 3: to that, as well as the Egyptian version of the
Speaker 3: sun disc, which you know, it's all sort of playing
Speaker 3: off of those squint motifs, right, If you squint at this,
Speaker 3: you're gonna see all of those other motifs sort of
Speaker 3: blending into one. So they they kind of keep it
Speaker 3: true to the basic form and then sort of build
Speaker 3: off of it culturally, like they were saying with the
Speaker 3: rounded wings versus the square ones of the original Samarians.
Speaker 2: Oh you know what, I got some pictures to show.
Speaker 2: There's another one.
Speaker 3: Looks like a h looks like a magician in a circle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, right, yeah, he's got his, he's got
Speaker 2: his a couple of water with.
Speaker 3: Him, right, it's on disc over top of the people.
Speaker 3: It's just from all the philology, it sounds really similar
Speaker 3: to what a spirit of a people would be considering
Speaker 3: all of the roots that go straight back to what
Speaker 3: they define as their culture. So I don't know, I
Speaker 3: mean for them to go that hard on this is
Speaker 3: not an ancestral spirit. It's like, why are you going
Speaker 3: that hard on it? It's kind of obvious that maybe
Speaker 3: it has some ancestral heritage. Especially look, they went from
Speaker 3: this Egyptian or the Sumerian style square wings over to
Speaker 3: the rounded wings of the Egyptians. So it had to
Speaker 3: be so important to their people that it would keep going.
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, having that magical element to
Speaker 3: it as well, and this is sort of a symbol
Speaker 3: of good fortune. Well making that.
Speaker 2: Good fortune you can change juristically.
Speaker 3: Now he's he's carrying another ring in his other hand
Speaker 3: in this one, but in that other one he's got
Speaker 3: a uh, chalice cup of water.
Speaker 2: That's what I meant here when I said a couple
Speaker 2: of water before I challenge. He's got his challenge, because.
Speaker 4: I mean that would be a that would be something
Speaker 4: you could be holding a magician, especially in.
Speaker 3: Is he being handed that or is he handing it
Speaker 3: to someone else? Is there a snake? It looks like
Speaker 3: there's a snake around it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't suck.
Speaker 2: You don't know what the hell is on this thing.
Speaker 2: You don't know what else.
Speaker 3: Well, you can kind of tell those are feathers right
Speaker 3: down below the hand. You can see the feathers that
Speaker 3: he's doing the sort of benediction hand only you know,
Speaker 3: not exactly, but he's doing it over top of the coup,
Speaker 3: probably blessing it. And it has something to do with
Speaker 3: that snake that's wrapped around the cup. But you know,
Speaker 3: there's so many different snake and cup motifs. It's it's
Speaker 3: pretty interesting that this one would be a continuation of that. Well,
Speaker 3: I've got some questions from a listener, but you've got
Speaker 3: to send me. Yeah, you've got to send your interesting
Speaker 3: dream slash occult esoteric experiences to my mail bag, that
Speaker 3: is Headless's magical mail bag.
Speaker 4: Right, you don't understand I'll be totally asured the numbers, like,
Speaker 4: get I'm surprised you aren't flooded with fucking shit. I'll
Speaker 4: be totally honest with you. I don't get it at all. Like,
Speaker 4: I'm like, what do all listen to smoke fucking weed
Speaker 4: and they don't dream anymore?
Speaker 2: Like fuck, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Like, I'm not even trying to break you would think
Speaker 4: you should be flooded with your fucking mailbag, dude, I'm
Speaker 4: not even trying to be cocky.
Speaker 3: Great, well, I think people get nervous, and if you
Speaker 3: are nervous about it, just put in there that you
Speaker 3: don't want your name, yeah, and I'll read your name.
Speaker 3: It's pretty simple. But uh, I've got this from Joe Ferguson. Hey, guys,
Speaker 3: it's Joe Ferguson again. This time I have a question.
Speaker 3: First off, I want to say I love The Occult
Speaker 3: Rejects just about every episode I have enjoyed. But I
Speaker 3: have a question for you and Nick. I'm a middle
Speaker 3: aged man who is a homosexual. Maybe you have heard
Speaker 3: of us, I joke, but I've never really heard of
Speaker 3: you guys talk about your personal views on homosexuality. Maybe
Speaker 3: I haven't listened to those episodes or avoid controversies. It's
Speaker 3: something that you guys don't comment on most much, and honestly,
Speaker 3: it does really matter. I love the content, the subject matter,
Speaker 3: research all you guys do. But I have heard some
Speaker 3: comments and it would seem to the untrained ear that
Speaker 3: it would be homophobic slurs. But I am not applying
Speaker 3: at all one of those flags carrying, screwing in the
Speaker 3: street type of gaze. So I guess he's just talking
Speaker 3: about our feelings on homosexuality, and you know, if you're
Speaker 3: keeping it inside of your house?
Speaker 2: Fuck did this question come from?
Speaker 4: Like? I could give two flying fucks when anybody sucks
Speaker 4: a fox. To be totally honest with you, you can
Speaker 4: cut your dicko, stick it up your ass and go
Speaker 4: fuck a fury if you want. I can't less what
Speaker 4: anybody does, And honestly, I want to ask, what the
Speaker 4: fuck does that have to do with magic? This podcast
Speaker 4: is about magic, What the fuck does it have to
Speaker 4: do about sexuality, my thought on sex, on politics or anything.
Speaker 4: This shit is getting out of control with this type
Speaker 4: of shit. Whether fuck does my thoughts on everythingthing have
Speaker 4: to make you feel good about something?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: This shit is just silly. I mean, I'm not.
Speaker 4: You can give two flying fucks if somebody sucks pussy
Speaker 4: or cock.
Speaker 3: You gotta make sure that everybody has the perfect set
Speaker 3: of beliefs and values as you do, so that you
Speaker 3: can enjoy their contact online. I got a problem, though,
Speaker 3: You're never gonna find somebody with all of your values.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Cody, we don't talk about sex magic on here,
Speaker 4: so I don't know what to tell you. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 4: just seeing somebody's comment, Well, sex magic, maybe we don't
Speaker 4: talk about that either. Right, I'll talk about sex, and
Speaker 4: I'll talk about drugs because I'm not trying to promote
Speaker 4: any of that shit, because those are two things people
Speaker 4: can get lost down.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: We do talk about fertility, but that's because people have
Speaker 3: mistaken it so much to be all about sex magic
Speaker 3: that they don't see the fertility in their own lives,
Speaker 3: which leads to a lot of creative stuff, right, Fertility
Speaker 3: energy leads to creativity. That's sort of what you need
Speaker 3: so that you can get out of the rut.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's because I keep saying obelisks aren't dix and
Speaker 4: the guy thought I just didn't like cook.
Speaker 2: Could be the fuck that was just so weird like this.
Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever said one thing about like
Speaker 4: showing gay people right, Like where the fucks that come from?
Speaker 3: I don't know, But there's our there's.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry it spis down. I just think it's fucking
Speaker 2: silly as fuck.
Speaker 4: Dude, that was a silly fucking question, Like why does
Speaker 4: it matter what I think about that?
Speaker 3: Right? And you know, it's one of those things where
Speaker 3: if you really want to know about a person, maybe
Speaker 3: the best place to get to know them isn't on
Speaker 3: the show, like maybe talk to them outside of the show.
Speaker 3: But what do I know? But no, seriously, seriously, folks.
Speaker 3: So I did a live stream yesterday with with Prometheus Lens.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that dude is awesome. Good dude, man, right,
Speaker 2: solid guy.
Speaker 3: We were talking a lot about that fertility energy, and
Speaker 3: we were talking about specifically the Oklahoma land rush as
Speaker 3: a fertility right. And so once you start plugging in
Speaker 3: all the different factors, you see that they're they're le
Speaker 3: us know Oklahoma City in eighteen eighty nine, and then
Speaker 3: after one day there was Oklahoma City because they just
Speaker 3: fired the cannon. Everybody went out there, grabbed their land,
Speaker 3: and then got to work. It was everything that you
Speaker 3: see in Oklahoma now was built eighteen eighty nine and later.
Speaker 3: There was nothing there before that. So if you were
Speaker 3: to talk about a powerful for fertility magic giving away land,
Speaker 3: having all these people rushed the plains and then driving
Speaker 3: stakes into the ground where they're marking their own territory
Speaker 3: sounds like a magical ritual, at least in abstraction to me,
Speaker 3: and for Oklahoma City specifically, they put four parks in
Speaker 3: the four different quadrants, So northeast you've got one park,
Speaker 3: south east you've got another quadrant, and so all of
Speaker 3: these are laid out exactly how the homesteaders would have
Speaker 3: plotted out their land for their claims. So in a
Speaker 3: lot of ways you could see that. You know, the
Speaker 3: fertility was in the connecting of people with land, right,
Speaker 3: that's sort of what got it started in Oklahoma. And
Speaker 3: it's Oklahoma's a terraformed state, so all of the dams,
Speaker 3: all of the lakes that you see are not natural.
Speaker 3: They actually dammed up these rivers and started changing the climate.
Speaker 3: So now Oklahoma has a huge biodiversity that they wouldn't
Speaker 3: have without the people doing their part and sort of
Speaker 3: changing the barren wasteland to something habitable. And when they
Speaker 3: talk about Indian Wars and all the rest of that stuff,
Speaker 3: that wasn't Oklahoma after eighteen eighty nine. Like they just
Speaker 3: got along and they did what they had to do
Speaker 3: to make things better. They weren't in constant warfare like
Speaker 3: people associate with the Midwest. So to me, it seems
Speaker 3: like if you're going to maybe model a society around
Speaker 3: having these frontiers and able to connect people to the
Speaker 3: things that they want to do, you're going to see
Speaker 3: a lot more benefit in society. If that's the case,
Speaker 3: You've got to have this sort of fertility mindset, right,
Speaker 3: people talk about abundance mindset and not being limited, and
Speaker 3: so in some ways, I think that's that's really what's needed,
Speaker 3: is looking to those forces and not you know, turning
Speaker 3: to your your own black bill. Like there's ways that
Speaker 3: you can use your own creativity and your your means
Speaker 3: of connecting to other people, creating a new land rush
Speaker 3: in a certain frontier all on your own. And you
Speaker 3: can kind of see that happening with bitcoin, right they
Speaker 3: created the frontier all these people rushed in. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a magical ritual.
Speaker 4: I think you see Cody Johnson as saying that his
Speaker 4: family worked on the trail.
Speaker 2: They walked on the trail.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Scottish grandpa and married to Cherokee grandma and
Speaker 4: walked the trail.
Speaker 1: Way.
Speaker 3: So the trail of tiers wasn't that in the eighteen fifties?
Speaker 2: She likes that white sugar.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the that's the thing too. There was a
Speaker 3: lot of blending on the on the planes. I mean,
Speaker 3: my family is like one sixteenth Native American that goes
Speaker 3: way back. Wow and yeah, and that comes through the
Speaker 3: I forgot his name. He's an existential poet that is
Speaker 3: in our family line, Ralph Waldo Emerson. He's a distant cousin.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you've heard of him before.
Speaker 2: But yes, yes, that's a distant cousin of you.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, So you know he had a lot of
Speaker 3: you know, really huge impacts in the occult space. And
Speaker 3: it's that's where a lot of the Native American influence
Speaker 3: came through in my family is from his his side
Speaker 3: of the family. So kind of interesting, you know.
Speaker 4: Real quick, I want to ask, is there's some people
Speaker 4: in the chat. I think it's actually showing people commenting
Speaker 4: from the vertical the vertical.
Speaker 2: How do you guys like that?
Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody's gonna give an answer real quick,
Speaker 4: but uh, I see yeah, because it's actually showing up
Speaker 4: on my YouTube. It's two separate lives, and that kind
Speaker 4: of irks me. But if you guys like the vertical.
Speaker 2: One, let me know. I'll keep going. But I don't
Speaker 2: know if it makes a difference.
Speaker 4: It's supposed to be for people's phones, because like on
Speaker 4: some of the comments, it looks like there's like a
Speaker 4: phone or a tablet next to it. Uh.
Speaker 2: Someone said, fine, all right, that one of the person
Speaker 2: that says I like the other way better?
Speaker 4: All right, Well, Nephelo, uh hunter, you could you could
Speaker 4: probably click on the other one and check it out.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I never used it before. I figured I try it now,
Speaker 4: but I didn't know it was going to send.
Speaker 2: Out two different ones. It kind of looks silly on
Speaker 2: my YouTube.
Speaker 3: Pitch great. Well, you know, maybe he gets more eyes
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 4: You know. One thing I just do want to say too, like,
Speaker 4: like you know, with this show, even when I started out,
Speaker 4: I used to even kind of like shit on politics,
Speaker 4: but I would shot on both sides.
Speaker 2: I don't even talk about politics anymore. I'm not trying.
Speaker 4: This show is for anybody who's willing to listen. I
Speaker 4: could shit on the Democrats one week and somebody could
Speaker 4: hear that and be a Democrat, and then that listen
Speaker 4: that I just you know, brought up to Franklin scand
Speaker 4: those all Republicans fucking kids, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So I'm not even playing that shit anymore. This channel
Speaker 4: is for anybody who wants to listen. And obviously if
Speaker 4: I feel that way, I don't have problems with people.
Speaker 2: I'm not selling shit.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to tell anybody to walk with me
Speaker 4: down to the fucking end of the world. I'm not
Speaker 4: growing a cult. There's no I'm actually authentic. I want
Speaker 4: people just to listen and try to learn. I don't
Speaker 4: give a fuck who you are, white, black, brown, gay,
Speaker 4: whatever the fuck you want to call yourself these days,
Speaker 4: I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1: I just want to leave it like that, all right, You.
Speaker 4: Know, I think, no matter what, anybody can have experience
Speaker 4: with God, and if they're willing to try to do that,
Speaker 4: he can listen to my.
Speaker 1: Show, right.
Speaker 3: Sorry, but it's funny because most of the time people
Speaker 3: who are selling experiences with God have very rarely ever
Speaker 3: had them themselves, and they very insistently want your money.
Speaker 3: So if that's the way people are used to I
Speaker 3: guess yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just feel like I was giving a gift. So
Speaker 4: why the fuck am I going to charge people? I
Speaker 4: don't know what to say so to explain right, doing
Speaker 4: God's work still as it sounds. So that's how I
Speaker 4: feel sometimes, So I'm not going to charge with that shit.
Speaker 4: In a lot of ways, like like the Blues Brothers
Speaker 4: run a mission from God, bro.
Speaker 3: In a lot of ways, you could see, you know,
Speaker 3: us going down to uh Arizona as being like a
Speaker 3: gift from the audience. These are people who tune in
Speaker 3: and they boost our channel up and everything else.
Speaker 4: So you know, yeah, that yo, And that was a blast, dude.
Speaker 4: I had so much fucking fun. I really like being
Speaker 4: able to you know, meeting you in person. It was
Speaker 4: fucking awesome.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.
Speaker 2: No, no, like I like I said, it was. It
Speaker 2: was just like it was like we've known each other
Speaker 2: the whole time. It wasn't weird or anything.
Speaker 4: Mike and Dave if I love seeing them. Meeting Cody in person,
Speaker 4: that was fucking awesome. Cody's cool as shit.
Speaker 2: To try that, though. Guy I can't believe he was there.
Speaker 1: Yo.
Speaker 4: I got that guy high, Like almost the whole time
Speaker 4: he was there. I went back to I would go
Speaker 4: to his booth.
Speaker 2: Just to give him the vaporizer to get him lit.
Speaker 2: That guy was, Yo. You know, it's funny.
Speaker 4: Like I actually got to like talk to him for
Speaker 4: a while and he was even telling me like.
Speaker 2: He's like, dude, he's like, this is what I do
Speaker 2: all day.
Speaker 4: He's like I get slightly buzzed, and he's like I
Speaker 4: look at these fucking scans of these bodies and just
Speaker 4: go snip, you know, thing by thing.
Speaker 2: And I was like, fuck, this guy's like he's really into.
Speaker 4: This shit man, right, it's his passion, Like it's he's
Speaker 4: you know, he's a he's a weird, funny dude.
Speaker 3: But well, if you like Ed, he's going to be
Speaker 3: making the rounds next year for sure. He's articulate, he
Speaker 3: can get up on stage and possession.
Speaker 2: He should have spoke, right, Yeah, I think he should have.
Speaker 4: I think him him and uh Heather, like we said,
Speaker 4: should have been there, right, Heather.
Speaker 3: Lynn would have been she would have blown him away.
Speaker 3: And what we noticed at the conference is that they
Speaker 3: didn't focus so much on North American ain't history, and
Speaker 3: that's not their fault. They're mostly engaged in all of
Speaker 3: these political conflicts around the world with these ancient sites
Speaker 3: that they're turning into basically playgrounds for a bunch of tourists.
Speaker 3: So they're trying to make sure that there's some sort
Speaker 3: of study that continues going on and continues happening, and
Speaker 3: that they just don't see these things up and say, hey,
Speaker 3: we're not doing any more studies, so we're not going
Speaker 3: to get to the bottom of any of these mysteries
Speaker 3: that you guys really want to answer. So I think
Speaker 3: for them, they're not really seeing North America as that
Speaker 3: kind of a place. But we all know, I mean,
Speaker 3: how many guests have we had on the show talking
Speaker 3: about these ancient sites in North America that have just
Speaker 3: been covered up in Bulldoz and everything else.
Speaker 4: You know, even that guy Vince Oh, you know, he's
Speaker 4: another one. I totally forgot before the before we went away,
Speaker 4: he wanted to come on.
Speaker 1: That guy.
Speaker 2: He's even covering shit in North Carolina.
Speaker 3: That makes no sense, right, right, So you know we
Speaker 3: all got to stay at our lanes and we got
Speaker 3: to keep pushing harder. Guys, I know you care about
Speaker 3: the North American ancient landskips. That's why you keep coming
Speaker 3: back for this. So if you guys got tips or
Speaker 3: any kind of guests that you would want to come
Speaker 3: on and talk about the mounds talking about this stuff,
Speaker 3: feel free to send her to my email right Headless
Speaker 3: Giant Podcast at gmail dot com and we'll try to
Speaker 3: get those up. But again, we need your stories.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah, guest suggestions, especially if they're
Speaker 4: like listen, don't like to ask me that have like
Speaker 4: someone like two million followers, Like obviously I'm kind of
Speaker 4: gonna be able to pull that person. But it's realistic guests,
Speaker 4: you know, please send them because I mean, right now,
Speaker 4: it's kind of like slim pickens. I'm basically just taking
Speaker 4: people who write for you know, published on Wiser and
Speaker 4: Inner Traditions or like academics like I don't I love
Speaker 4: those guests, but I would like somebody different, you know,
Speaker 4: here and.
Speaker 3: There, right, so an experiencer still, yeah, yes, yes, yes, sir, you.
Speaker 2: Know what them on you know who I got. I
Speaker 2: got another Heather Line coming on.
Speaker 4: Remember the lady who wrote I think you actually might
Speaker 4: have suggested this a long time ago when she wrote
Speaker 4: a boss.
Speaker 2: It revealed Yeah she's coming on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got her coming on because she writes for
Speaker 4: Wiser and they sent me. Wiser It hit me up
Speaker 4: yesterday and sent me three authors and like, yo, would
Speaker 4: you like to get these on? I was like, fuck, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's pretty impressive on that depend.
Speaker 2: It's wild to know that I got like Wiser.
Speaker 4: Books sending me authors. Now, like that's it fucking blows mind.
Speaker 4: It's like coming first full circle after being like its
Speaker 4: just even the ties with the oto, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, because like even James Wasserman worked for them.
Speaker 2: So it's just like to me, it's just like, what
Speaker 2: the fuck?
Speaker 1: This is so wild?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: Right? Well, I remember going to the bookstore and always
Speaker 3: looking for that section, you know, I mean, at least
Speaker 3: in more of the modern bookstores, maybe not the used bookstores,
Speaker 3: but the Wiser books were always right there with those
Speaker 3: one on one level, you know, kind of things that
Speaker 3: I think have helped out a lot of people. What
Speaker 3: the thing that frustrates me is there's no like one
Speaker 3: o two to one oh four level.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear what you said. Yeah,
Speaker 2: uh yeah, I think. And then after I get a
Speaker 2: couple of them on, I might hit.
Speaker 4: Up Llewellen be like, oh you know, I got wiser
Speaker 4: and in a tradition sending me with hers, you want
Speaker 4: to send me some see what happens there, get all
Speaker 4: three of them coming at.
Speaker 2: Me, that'd be impressive.
Speaker 4: Then I could try to get Mavis on because I'll
Speaker 4: ask to have her on, and then they'll ask Mavis
Speaker 4: to come on my show.
Speaker 3: Right there you go, which is so funny.
Speaker 2: I've had a boyfriend on, but I cannot get her
Speaker 2: on the fucking show.
Speaker 3: That's like trying to get a gnostic inform it on.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's at least said guests twice.
Speaker 4: This girl won't even answer me, and she said two
Speaker 4: when somebody even asked her for me, and she's like,
Speaker 4: I don't want to do any podcasts anymore for a while,
Speaker 4: you know, for a minute. As yeah, it is it.
Speaker 4: She's another person who's like, I think, dealing with bullshit
Speaker 4: from Fellamites and deal to.
Speaker 3: You then go go.
Speaker 1: It's a shame.
Speaker 3: Well, any any uh, institution with any kind of influence
Speaker 3: whatsoever is going to have political intrigue within its ranks.
Speaker 2: From that, yeah, I will say.
Speaker 4: I will say though when it comes to the OTO,
Speaker 4: they kind of fuck women in positions that I will
Speaker 4: totally agree with that, And that's one of your rass
Speaker 4: You really ain't getting any wear father than a fucking priestess.
Speaker 4: But yet there's all these other rules. Then I do
Speaker 4: agree that's a little fucking shitty if you're capable of
Speaker 4: doing the job with the fuck.
Speaker 1: Kids right right, But I don't know, that's.
Speaker 3: Just every organization has their own limitations. But it's funny
Speaker 3: that they would be the champions of women's rights and
Speaker 3: then oh, you can only get the priestess.
Speaker 4: But see either then like this end is like this
Speaker 4: could be like a double edged sword here. It's like,
Speaker 4: but you knew that going in, so why do you
Speaker 4: want to change it?
Speaker 2: It's kind of rough. That's like whatever.
Speaker 4: There was certain things that was changed that I really
Speaker 4: didn't give a fuck about. It was weird that they
Speaker 4: changed it, but it was like, you knew it wasn't
Speaker 4: like this before you joined, and now you're you're asking us, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it just makes no sense.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I really like the way that the Spiritualist
Speaker 3: churches do their training for reverends and their and their
Speaker 3: their people. They have them basically stuck to the side
Speaker 3: one of the more established reverends and they go all
Speaker 3: around the different Spiritualist churches, you know, sort of one
Speaker 3: on one tutoring these people. And uh, you don't really
Speaker 3: see any kind of practical application for like a you know,
Speaker 3: thelematic priest, Like do you actually go out and do
Speaker 3: any sort of community engagement work or anything like.
Speaker 4: That or is it just that's a good point now,
Speaker 4: I like the Masons, they didn't go out and do much.
Speaker 3: Well, even the Masons they have their own charity, so.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, at least they go out and pull money
Speaker 4: on people too. I'll just try to make up of
Speaker 4: being shitheads. Yeah, and then again that's like you know,
Speaker 4: probably the three percent. But you know again, yeah, you're right,
Speaker 4: Oto doesn't go out and do anything, not that I
Speaker 4: haven't noticed.
Speaker 3: Well, that might might be something that needs to change,
Speaker 3: because if you've got a lot of baggage in your
Speaker 3: crew and you're not doing a little bit of that
Speaker 3: community service, you know, people are never going to lose
Speaker 3: that perspective.
Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of funny how people's opinion if
Speaker 4: somebody can change when they still giving them things. I
Speaker 4: don't hate to say it. The human psychology is fucked
Speaker 4: up like that. Oh not too bad. You know, they
Speaker 4: gave us turkeys this year for Thanksgiving. They can't They're
Speaker 4: gonna be all Satanists.
Speaker 3: Right, Blackgrock gave us a turkey, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're okay with me.
Speaker 4: Yo, Sophie Sophia Daisy May is asking again. I'm still
Speaker 4: trying to learn what this channel is about.
Speaker 2: I mean, demystifying magic. That's about the only thing I
Speaker 2: can say at this point.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, we started out thinking that we would get
Speaker 3: a lot of emails that we could talk about with
Speaker 3: the paranormal experiences, and then we switched over to having
Speaker 3: some you know, symbolic studies before that, and now we're
Speaker 3: just shooting the ship because that you guys have sent
Speaker 3: in your experiences.
Speaker 4: So oh no, yeah, I think she met to overall.
Speaker 4: I think that whole channel itself, because she's asked that
Speaker 4: before we had what is this channel about? I mean,
Speaker 4: I guess it's really just a fifty demystifying the occult,
Speaker 4: trying to figure out what it is, you know, uh, trying.
Speaker 2: To find the good in it too.
Speaker 4: You know, I think so many people out there and
Speaker 4: so many channels already proving the bad out of it.
Speaker 2: I'll try to show whatever good there isn't it?
Speaker 3: So oh, there she goes, I love spirit. Well you're
Speaker 3: in the right place for it, Sophie.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: If you listened before, I was saying, I think everybody
Speaker 4: should can have an experience with God.
Speaker 1: So right, there we go.
Speaker 3: I was asking about the conference too.
Speaker 2: It was a blast.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I was lit the whole fucking time.
Speaker 3: It was really hard to get anything done other than
Speaker 3: film for other people. I was I was gonna do
Speaker 3: it that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yo, you know what. I don't know what happened.
Speaker 4: I only got like half that Billy Corson recording, Like
Speaker 4: my fucking thing fucked up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only like half of the recording there. I
Speaker 2: was like, fuck, yo, you know what's fucked up?
Speaker 4: He followed me back on Instagram, but didn't follow fucking Dave.
Speaker 4: Dave was even like yo, he's like yo. He even said,
Speaker 4: he's like yo. He pulled up my account. He watched him.
Speaker 4: He's like he just tapped the screen and then closed it.
Speaker 4: He's like, he's like, he didn't even follow. I was like,
Speaker 4: I wonder if he hit mine by accident. He got yo, like,
Speaker 4: listen people whatever. I think guy's kind of silly myself.
Speaker 4: But I mean, the guy's got one point seven million followers, right,
Speaker 4: I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, we got to try and get him on.
Speaker 2: I know, I'll ask him. I mean, I nehinite know
Speaker 2: that's a big fucking name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I'll.
Speaker 4: Have him on, just so like the old Media United
Speaker 4: crew gets jealous. Well, they were like, oh, there must
Speaker 4: be controlled opposition. They got Billy Carzon on.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's like, no, I've met him twice and I annoyed him.
Speaker 4: I bugged him twenty times. That's why he said yes,
Speaker 4: just to show me the fuck up probably right right.
Speaker 3: What he does is he tries to create a cosmic
Speaker 3: moral play out of everything he does to try and
Speaker 3: get people to be better people. And on some level
Speaker 3: I can agree with that. It's like that's a noble effort.
Speaker 3: I see where you're coming from, Billy, But you don't
Speaker 3: have to lie about everything to give people to that place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what. He was really like, rah
Speaker 2: rah rah at that fucking thing. Right, Yeah, it was good.
Speaker 2: You're like, I'm ready to enjoy the Billy Coxon cult.
Speaker 3: He's he started in doomsday cultism and he's just sort
Speaker 3: of maintained that pace ever since. It's like the Doomsday's
Speaker 3: coming and we've got to do this and this and this,
Speaker 3: and we've got to be better to each other because
Speaker 3: it's got to be here soon. It's like, okay, can
Speaker 3: we do that without the doomsday stuff?
Speaker 2: Like do we need to?
Speaker 3: I guess that gets people a sense of urgency or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I haven't seen it, but that's uh,
Speaker 3: that's been our and guys, make sure to send us
Speaker 3: those emails and we will read them for you guys,
Speaker 3: and thank you for checking out the channel. Definitely like
Speaker 3: subscribe and share, especially on Facebook. Facebook groups that are
Speaker 3: into the occult metaphysical.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, post these up there. Yeah yeah, though those
Speaker 4: actually key places to drop. You know what's crazy. I'm
Speaker 4: in all these groups. I'm not allowed to drop my
Speaker 4: own shit. It's so stupid. It's like you can't promote
Speaker 4: your own stuff. I'm like, fuck. So yeah, other people,
Speaker 4: I guess will have to drop it instead. It's so silly,
Speaker 4: I've never seen it. Like, how does this work?
Speaker 3: I could peel from your channel my channel cross pump.
Speaker 2: Oh yo, right, yeah, I could just post the headless giant.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Fuck, that's fine, all right, I'll have
Speaker 2: to try.
Speaker 3: That out, all right, all right, guys, Brida, thank you
Speaker 3: for joining us. We'll see you next time.