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Speaker 1: And welcome to the Big Podcast. Happy Wednesday to you.

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Today is the twenty seventh day of August, year of

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our Lord twenty twenty five. My name is Tom Sullivan,

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and we start with his story that is the top

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news today. It is a school shooting. And it's become

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over the years where a lot of these shootings we mentioned,

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we tell you it happened, but we don't go into

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any more than just about that. And I've actually received

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emails from people saying thank you for not going into

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the depth of the stories regarding shootings. This one is

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a little different, and it reminds me it's not the same,

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but it's school children that have been shot, and it

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reminds me so much of we have become rather jaded

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about all of this. There was a school shooting in Connecticut.

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This is years ago, and we heard it was school shooting,

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and I went out to lunch. I told my producer,

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let me know if it's if it's you know, any

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more than two or three, and we didn't. I mean,

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it's that jaded where somebody there's lots of school there's

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lots of shootings where two or three it's like two

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guys in a high school used to get in a

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fist fight. Now they shoot at each other. And you

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got a couple of guys that got mad at each

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other and they shoot each other. It becomes the school shooting.

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Speaker 2: But this is different.

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Speaker 1: It's not New Town, which when I heard the numbers there,

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I mean I just sunk in my chair. This is

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out of Minneapolis at a Catholic church, Annunciation Catholic Church,

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next to Annunciation Catholic School. It's a grade school kindergarten

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through eighth grade. It a flashback for me since I

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went to Catholic grade school. And one of the things

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that Catholic schools do is the first week back to school,

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they gather everybody, all of the kids. We all had

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to march over to the church, which is usually right

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next door to the school, and there's a mass that

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we pray for a good school year, a successful school year.

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And that is what was going on today at Annunciation School.

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They marched the kids next door to Annunciation Church and

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about fifteen minutes into this mass. The school has three

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hundred and seventy nine students and I presume all of

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them were there along with faculties, so probably around four

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hundred people in this church, and this guy came up

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with a gun, with a rifle, with a shotgun and

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a pistol. Outside, he barricaded the doors. He brought two

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by fours and shoved them in the door handles so

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that nobody could get out of the church, and then

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open fire through the stained glass windows into where the

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pews were. He knew the pews were there and fired

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away at the children and the prisoners that were in

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the church. Let's get the rundown. Here's the Minneapolis Police

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Department chief giving us the details.

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Speaker 2: Earlier today, just before eight thirty am, our city experienced

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an unthinkable tragedy. Aapolist police officers responded to a report

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of a shooting at a mass that was happening at

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the Annunciation Roman Catholic Church on the block behind me.

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This worship service was marking the first week of school

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for children that are attending the Annunciation Catholic School. During

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the mass, a gunman approached on the outside on the

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side of the building and began firing a rifle through

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the church windows towards the children sitting in the pews

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at the mess. Shooting through the windows, he struck children

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and worshipers that were inside the building. The shooter was

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armed with a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol. This

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was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children and

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other people worshiping. The sheer, cruelty and cowardice of firing

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into a church full of children is absolutely incomprehensible. Police

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officers from the Minneapolis Police Department immediately responded, entered the

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church and attempted to provide first aid and rescue some

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of the children that were hiding throughout the building, while

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other first responders came and ems responded to rush victims

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to nearby hospitals. Two young children, ages eight and ten,

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were killed where they sat in the pews. Their parents

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have been notified. Seventeen other people were injured, fourteen of

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them being children. Two of those children are in critical condition.

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The coward who fired these shots ultimately took his own

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life in the rear of the church. Our hearts are

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broken for the families who have lost their children, for

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these young lives that are now fighting to recover, and

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for our entire community that has been so deeply traumatized

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by this senseless attack. We will stand together to protect

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our children, our schools, and our houses of worship. This

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deliberate act of violence is just a sign of cruelty

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that is beyond comprehension. Our hearts, our hearts are broken

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for everyone that's been affected by this tragedy. As we

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begin the difficult path of healing, I want the community

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to know this that even in the face of such evil,

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the Minneapolis Police Department and all of our law enforcement

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partners stand with our community. We stand with these families

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and with this parish. We will continue to be here

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for you. With that investigation is obviously in its preliminary stages,

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and I will attempt to take some questions to provide

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further information. So we were looking. The question was what

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can be said about the shooter. We believe it is

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one suspect, a soul shooter. We believe he is deceased,

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He is in his early twenties, does not have an

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extensive known criminal history, and we are looking through information

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left behind to try and determine some type of motive.

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How many children I don't have an exactly The question

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was how many children at the school? There were dozens

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of children inside the mass at the time. I don't

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have an exact count. The children have been relocated into

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the school, which is where their families are reunifying with them. Bret.

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The question was do we know if the student was,

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if the shooter was a former school employee or a

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former student. We don't have that information. There's a vehicle.

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The question was, was anything left behind. There's a vehicle

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that we believe that the suspect used that is being

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searched and we will be conducting other searches related to

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this inside the parking lot here yep. So the question

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was neighbors had said that the door to the church

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had been barricaded. The shooter approached on one side of

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the church building and on that side at least two doors.

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It appears there had been like a two by four placed,

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so not all of the doors around the building, but

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on the side where the shooter did fire on the outside. Yes.

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The question was was there any explosives? There were reports

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of that. There were no explosives or improvised devices that

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we found. I dove there was one. I guess you

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would call it a smoke bomb, like not an explosive,

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but a sort of a firework that would release smoke.

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The side that is closest to us here on this side.

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I don't have specific information on that that I can release. Yeah.

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The question was is he dead from a gunshot wound?

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The answer is yes, we believe he took his own

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life in the parking lot. The question was was he

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shooting outside and inside? He was absolutely shooting outside of

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the building on the side of the church. Inside through

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the windows. It appears he may have gone inside, but

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I don't believe we've located any casings inside the building,

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so I'm not certain if he fired also while inside.

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It appears, if not all, most of the shooting happened

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outside the building. So yeah. Taylor's asking is this related

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to any of the other shootings? This does not appear

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to be related to any other shooting in the city.

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The question was how many rounds? I would say it's

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in the dozens. We don't have an exact count. There's

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a sidewalk on the outside as well as a grassy area,

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so obviously we are we are going through and taking

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our time to process the scene. The question was was

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he firing one weapon? We believe he had fired all three.

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He had a rifle, a shotgun, and a pistol. Were

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the weapons?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Was he lawfully carrying the weapons. I don't have that information,

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and I don't have any information on any uh significant

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criminal history either. It appeared he had some black clothing

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on his cargo type pants. I guess you could interpret

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that as you know however you like.

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Speaker 1: So we're getting very early information. We don't know who

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the shooter is at the time we're doing this recording,

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but apparently he had sent messages to friends and family

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about You're going to be very unhappy, very upset with

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me about what I'm about to do, and you're going

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to be disappointed in me. But I've got I'm living

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in a lot of pain. And so it brings up

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the question about if somebody sounds like they're going to

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do something like this, do you who do you tell?

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Minnesota last year passed a red flag law which does

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allow for guns to be taken away from people who

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appear to be potentially a danger to society. So that

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still there's a lot that needs to be uncovered from

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all of this. Here's a young ten year old boy

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that was in the church describing what happened.

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Speaker 3: It was like shots fired and then he kind of

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like got under the pews. It kind of they shot

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through the the stained glass windows, I think, and it

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was really scary.

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Speaker 2: What did you do after that?

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Speaker 3: Well, we waited like ten to five minutes, I don't

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really know. And then we went to the gym and

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then the doors locked just to make sure she didn't come.

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And then the waiting in the gym for more news

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and everyone was okay, most people. My friend got hit

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in the back.

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Speaker 2: Did he go to the hospital?

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Speaker 3: He act, he went to the hospital.

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Speaker 2: Went through your mind when you saw that.

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Speaker 3: I was super scared for him, But I think now

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he's okay.

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Speaker 1: Well, we hope he's okay. The rest of the story is,

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it turns out where this ten year old boy, when

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you know, they've dove under the pews as best as

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they could, and his friend jumped on his back to

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protect him. His little ten year old friend jumped on

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his back to protect him, and the little ten year

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old friend took a bullet into his back. So we

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again there's we don't know the status of that little friend,

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but innocent boy describing what happened inside the church. Jonathan

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Miller John Miller, the former counter terrorism guy for the NYPD.

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These are his observations.

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Speaker 4: Let's break that down because you know, throughout the Chief

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Brian o'haris comments, there were these details that emerged that

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tell us a few things. So the individual shows up

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at eight thirty, the all school.

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Speaker 2: Mass is going on.

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Speaker 4: We heard the mayor say I don't want to hear

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about thoughts and prayers. These children were gunned down while

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they were literally praying in church.

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Speaker 2: Quite a dramatic statement.

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Speaker 4: But on the gunman, what Chief O'Hara tells us is

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three guns, the rifle, the pistol, the shotgun. He says

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that they believe, based on the shellcasings on the scene,

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that he fired all three, which explains what an eyewitness

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told us some time ago about hearing sporadic bursts of gunfire.

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The pauses in between likely as the gunman transitioned from

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one weapon that he had emptied to another which he

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emptied to another. Talking about dozens of shellcasings found on

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the scene, according to Chief O'Hara, which may indicate even

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that he either exhausted the ammunition in those weapons or

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possibly reloaded. Couldn't even give us a count on the

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number of shots fired because they're still recovering evidence. But

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let's get to what you pointed out a minute ago.

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The idea of two sets of two by fours placed

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at the doors on the outside of the church. Now,

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typically what we see in these active shooters involving schools

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or churches is were the doors locked, could the gunman

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have gotten access to the inside. In this case, he

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reversed that process. It appears it appears that by putting

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those two by fours through the door handles, if people

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tried to flee the shooting, flee the building, that they

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wouldn't have been able to get out. Was that an

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effort on his part to contain them basically into this

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fish bowl where he was firing through the windows at

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these targets. He also told us, and we had grappled

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with this earlier, a report of an explosive device that

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rather what they recovered inside was a smoke device. These

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are common, They can be purchased online. They're used for

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various purposes in shooting games with paintball and things like that.

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But that also may have been used as a distraction

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device to let smoke out inside the building to hamper

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people's escape or vision as to where to go. When

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you combine all of these things, showing up dressed in

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black fifteen minutes after the start of the event, to

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make sure that it would be full of people wearing

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tactical clothing, possessing multiple firearms, barricading the doors, potentially to

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block the escape of victims who could have fled, and

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taking his life roughly around the time when police would

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have been arriving at the scene. You see an enormous

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amount of pre operational planning of intent. We talk about

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these shooters and how there was this person and they

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had issues and they suddenly snapped. We know they don't snap.

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of planning in advance, and they have a vision of

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how this is going to unfold. And even with all

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of the confusion and trauma intention that goes on when

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an event like this begins, we see a pattern where

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they amazingly stay focused on trying to achieve maximum lethality,

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which is the effort that occurred today.

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Speaker 1: So I won't be surprised to hear that he was

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somehow affiliated with this Catholic parish or Catholic school, because

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how many of you that never went to Catholic schools

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knew that Catholic schools Traditionally the first week of school

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have an all school mass and all the children are

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marched over to the church. And if he knew this,

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I suspect he did, that gives him a field of

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targets that he otherwise would have to run through the

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school to try and shoot people when they were all

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collected in this building and they were trapped in there.

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One more from Jonathan Wackrowe, whose former law enforcement and

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he lays it out in four different main points.

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Speaker 5: It really speaks to this premeditation and calculated nature of

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the attack. So let me break that down in four ways. One,

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let's just think about the attack location. Right, the student

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body and the faculty were gathered together at a really

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unknown point in time. The attacker knew that he could

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amplify the number of potential victims just by that, you know,

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selecting that target location. The fact that the attacker had

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multiple weapons really again goes to his motivation here, ensuring

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that he had the capacity both with the rifle, the

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shotgun and the handgun, the capacity to launch the attack

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even if one of those weapons systems failed. Then you

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think about the smoke canisters, right, We don't see that

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quite often, but that was another element that was added

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into this really to disorient victims in obscure vision. What

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was it during the attack? Was it to delay potential

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police response? We don't know, But again these dynamics need

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to be reviewed. And really, to me, the barricading of

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the door, trapping victims really, you know, you know, speaks

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to the horrific nature of this attacker's intent. He wanted

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to prolong this assault again, making sure that victims could

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not escape. All of this, Brionna, are what investigators are

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looking at right now. They're treating this as a premeditated

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act of violence rather than a spontaneous outburst. So through

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that and because of that, they're going to take a

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series of actions, you know, through their investigation to really

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get to the root cause of why did this happen?

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And then more importantly, how do we not let this

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tragedy happen again?

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Speaker 1: Well, I know that's wishful thinking, but these tragedies will

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happen again. I don't mean to be that way, but

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they will happen as long as you have mental illness,

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and that always is the center of all of this.

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And take a look again, this is a soft target

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a church, which actually some churches now are have armed

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guards usually parishioners that are volunteers that have either law

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enforcement or military experience, and they are in the congregation

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and they are armed. But for this it was a

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school event. So I don't know if they have an

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arm guard on Sundays, but they did not have one

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there today. They didn't have any school security officer there.

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But it's a soft target in a place where people

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the last thing you think of is that you're going

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to get shot while you are praying at church. The

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only answer I've ever come up with in my thoughts

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on how to slow this down you're never going to

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stop it, is to harden the target, to make it

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so that schools and churches and other soft targets are

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adequately protect did by making it next to him possible

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to get in the door. In this case, he didn't

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get in. He shot through stained glass windows, knowing that

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people were in the pews on the other side, so

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he had his killing field. He couldn't see them, but

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he knew as long as he kept firing in there,

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he was going to he was going to hit people.

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And like I said at the beginning, I don't like

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to go into depth on these because there's just too

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many of them, and yes, I probably have become hardened

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about it, but this one, I'm sorry. But when you

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start getting children that are killed or shot at or wounded,

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it's it's another hole level of hate. So let's change subjects.

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Let's go on to the rest of the news of

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the day. Capitalism. I think most of us in this

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country we are the shining city on the hill because

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of capitalism, not socialism, communism. Capitalism. Is it perfect?

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Speaker 2: Nope?

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Speaker 1: Does it work better than all the other systems? Absolutely?

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And a guy that I admire tremendously is Arthur Brooks.

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He's a Harvard professor, don't hold that against him. He's

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also an AEI and he's just a brilliant thinker. And

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he was talking today. He was asked about the industrial

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policy that we now have seems to have been adopted

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in this country. And industrial policy is the government's thoughts

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and roles and rules about owning private enterprise. And this

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is Arthur Brooks responding to that whole concept, starting with intel, I.

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Speaker 6: Hate industrial policy, you do. I hate it. I mean

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I don't like it. I think it's bad for free markets,

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it's bad for growth, and it's bad for freedom in general. Now,

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I understand that it's always existed. It would be naive

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of me to say this is a new thing. On

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the contry, the Biden administration was unbelievably aggressive in industrial policy.

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That the weird thing is that, you know, most people

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associate Republicans with going the other direction, and the Republicans

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kind of aren't. But the truth is that we have

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this big wave of greater industrial policy. It's encroaching on

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American capitalism and I don't like it. I think can't

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speak for the shape of commerce. I certainly can't, But

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I see scholars every day from the American enterprise and as

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the dude who are talking about the problem is that

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that they that the counter argument doesn't get as much weight.

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is focusing on is sort of an audacious move by

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the Republican administration to weigh more heavily into industrial policy

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than they've done in the pic. And then where Republican

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Congressmen or Republican senators that historically you know, supported these

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positions that you have. This is a problem with the

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way that conservative politics is moving today. This is a

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problem with the Republican Party today. Now this is out

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of the equilibrium. I have faith that we're actually going

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to come back to our free market roots.

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Speaker 2: You do on the Yeah, on the I think so.

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And you don't think this is generational because I think.

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Speaker 6: I think you're right that these things do tend to

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be pretty sticky. But I think that the ideology is

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going to move away from that because the status quo

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among American conservatives tends to be more toward economic freedom. Right,

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That's the general way that they think, and I think

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they will get back into that groove at some point.

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The sooner the better. Politics never raises happiness. Anytime a

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politician says I'm going to make you.

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Speaker 2: Happy, you should be very very near.

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Speaker 7: I was about to ask that we always say people vote,

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particularly in America, vote with their wallet. Yeah. Do they

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vote with the happiness eva?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, all the time.

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Speaker 6: This is actually how they form their families, this is

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how they make their decisions. Ultimately, the reason they're voting

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with their wallets is because it's soundstrained from their happiness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you hear the point you made about the fact

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that Republicans and Conservatives have always been for economic freedom

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and the industrial policy that we're going down is just

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the opposite of that. Walter Isaacson, who is the guy

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who did the interview get, wrote the book on Steve Jobs,

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wrote the book on Elon Musk. He's a very thoughtful,

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well connected guy. He was asked about American industrial policy

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of late.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I think state capitalism is always a bad idea,

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whether it's the way you do it in China or

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you do it in other places. You don't want the

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federal government to be controlling major corporations, and for that matter,

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to be competing against other corporations if they have a

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stake at Intel. What does that mean for competition. We've

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always resisted that there's a tradition that goes back, I

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don't know, four or five hundred years, where you know

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King Lewis the fourteenth has Jean Baptiste Colbert doing this

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mercantile system and making companies be partly owned by the

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state with their gilded palaces. That's the type of thing

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we've always tried to avoid in America. Well, first of all,

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you've heard from things like the Wall Street Journal's editorial page,

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which is very much you know, aligned with free markets,

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free trade, free ideas, being totally against it. You're asking

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a larger question, which is why do not senators and

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republic mainstream Republicans feel like standing up to Trump? And

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that's up and down the board on these things. Certainly

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creating a type of cronyish capitalism where some are favored

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and some aren't goes against the grain of most Republican

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thinking for fifty years. Well, you know, imagine do the

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thought experiment, because every now and then people on your

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show sometimes say, what about is them? What about when

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Obama Solendra or Joe Biden, whatever. Imagine the thought experiment

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of a Democratic president deciding to do similar things and

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to take stakes in companies and tell those companies, you know,

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how to do their logos, how to put sugar in

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their you know, their Coca Cola formulas, how to fire

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a CEO. I think I think we'd be outraged. So

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if twenty years from now this is happening with both parties,

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we've gone down a really bad path here. I mean,

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we need competition, we need any trust enforcement. We don't

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need the government favoring certain companies.

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Speaker 1: Basically, I'm in a state of shock about the fact

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that Republican administration is going down the road of industrial

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policy where we take ownership of private companies, it's never

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it's the wrong. It's exactly what they do in China.

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Let me put it that way. So Treasury Secretary Scott Besant,

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very thoughtful guy, he was. It seems like there's a

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conflict among the cabinet because yesterday we played for you

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Howard Lutnick saying, yeah, we're thinking about taking ownership of

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you know, Lokee Martin and all these other defense contractors

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that are you know, they're making most of their me

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from from government contracts. We need to have ownership for

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the taxpayer. Well, here's Scott Benson, which seems to have

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a totally different view.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if we need to take stakes in

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defense companies. You know, we'll we'll see whether the defense

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companies are fulfilling their mission in terms of providing adequate

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and timely deliveries for the US military, as opposed to, uh,

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maybe an over emphasis on.

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Speaker 2: The shareholders.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, to put it bluntly, remember the government owns Amtrak

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and the Post Office and DMV, and there's a long

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list of, shall I say, of bureaucratic nightmares that the

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government runs. And that is why the private sector is fast,

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they're cheaper, smarter, more efficient than getting the government involved

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in private sector anyway, to my horror, tariffs, they're also

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I've been playing for you the last couple of days.

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There's a lot of people that are, i mean, our

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laugher totally against the tariffs, especially in some limited way maybe,

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but mostly bad, bad, bad policy. Steven Moore same thing,

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he hates tariffs. So Scott Besson was at the three

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and three hour, seventeen minute cabinet meeting yesterday and it

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was his turn to talk, and he was talking about

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how much money is being brought in by the tariffs.

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Speaker 2: We could be on our way.

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Speaker 7: Well over half a trillion, maybe towards the trillion dollar number.

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Speaker 6: Your administration has made a meaningful dent in the budget deficit.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they've made a meaningful bumping the deficit, no question

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about it. The question scope comes down to who's paying

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the tariffs, and that is a lot of studies already

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on the early the early receipts of tariffs. It's a

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mixture of foreign companies, US corporations and you and me

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the consumer. But it is going to be very hard

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for this government, this administration or even future administrations to

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give up on half a trillion to a trillion dollars

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worth of money coming in. Anthony chann is an economist.

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He was on with Stuart Farney today.

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Speaker 9: No, it isn't, but it has worked in the past.

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I remember in the nineteen thirties when the United States

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took a huge take in a lot of the banks

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Reconstruction Finance Corporation in the nineteen thirties. It saved the

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banking system. So they do have some experience and being

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successful now. The Bank Continental ill annoying teen ninety four

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is sort of a neutral. But the thing that made

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me a little nervous is the post office in Amtrak.

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They were running those things and haven't done so well.

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Speaker 1: My point exactly. But yes, the government has. In fact

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that Barack Obama went in and bailed out General Motors

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and Chrysler and that turned out well. They a lot

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of shenanigans regarding bankruptcy law, but they did save General

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Motors and Chrysler.

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Speaker 2: You can go back.

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Speaker 1: Chrysler was saved by back when Leiyacoca was the head

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of it decades ago. So the government has dipped in

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to help companies that are important that are about ready

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to go under. That's different than tariffs or taking long

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term ownership of these companies. Carlos Hajmenez, who is a

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Republican from Florida, he was asked about putting tariffs on

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India and China.

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Speaker 10: It's what he said, Oh, I think we should double

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terrorists on both of them, to be honest with you,

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So I have no problem with what he's done with India.

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I think he's still trying to negotiate something with China,

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and I certainly would not have any kind of problem

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with him doubling the tarroiffts on China. You know how

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I stand where I stand with China. Well, well, the

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problem with China is that we are so much more

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interlocked with China economically. It's tough to decouple from China.

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And so I'm gonna wait the President out on this one.

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But if he said tomorrow that he was doubling the

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terroriffts on China because of their use of Russian oil,

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I would applaud that effort. I've been saying from for

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a long time, we need to decouple from China. Every

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single dollar that we sent to China is going to

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be used against us and our interests around the world

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and so, but that's easier said than done. So let's

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see what actually transpires with the president in China. I

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would hope that he'd be a little tougher on China

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because that's where I want to land. I want to

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be very tough on China. I want to decouple from China,

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and I think we need to on shore near shore

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as much as possible all the stuff that we're buying

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from China right now.

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Speaker 1: So the tariffs on India, the fifty percent tariff goes

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into effect today, and the tariffs on China, there's a

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twenty percent tariff I believe that's the one that has

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been assessed to them because of fentanyl, and a ten

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percent tariff, which is the standard base rate around the world.

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So there's a thirty percent tariff currently on China and

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a fifty percent on Indias of today, on Wall Street,

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everybody was pins and needles because then Vidia earnings were

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going to come out right after the market closed. So

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the market closed, the S and P five hundred closed

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that a record high, thinking, okay, things are going to

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be great. But what happened was and Nvidia announced their

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second quarter earnings and they say their data centers missed

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sales estimates, so it just adds to the nervousness about

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whether there's an AI bubble or not because all of

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the AI stocks have been on fire. As far as

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the stock market, though, when the closing bell did ring,

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the market was positive. Dow Jones Industrials up one hundred

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and forty seven to forty five thousand and five sixty five,

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SMP new record, up fifteen points, Nazdak up forty five.

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The price of gold was up seventeen dollars now at

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thirty four fifty for an ounce, and oil up fifty cents.

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It's just under sixty four dollars for one barrel of oil.

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Thank you for coming by today. We'll be here again tomorrow,

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and I hope you are too. We'll see them