WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:05.040 Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. It's episode two hundred and thirty. 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:08.400 I'm your host is always George Hobbs, and today we 3 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:12.039 are going courtside and then straight into the truth. Our 4 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:17.039 guest Chris from Minnesota, a former basketball player who traded 5 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:21.320 his playbook for the Book of Truth. Once running drills 6 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:25.280 under the bright gym lights, he's now uncovering lies under 7 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:29.559 the light of discernment. Chris's journey from slam dunks to 8 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:32.759 waking up to the deception of the globe narrative is 9 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:35.799 one you won't want to miss. He has the testimony, 10 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.200 the conviction, and the courage to call out what most 11 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:42.960 are too afraid to question. So grab your coffee, open 12 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:46.320 your mind, and get ready, because once you see it, 13 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:59.799 you can't unsee it. This is the Flat Earth files. 14 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:06.200 They still speaking Trustcott, but I sing o Turf go 15 00:01:06.480 --> 00:01:07.840 by the. 16 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:09.799 Sun and Boom came right and. 17 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:13.920 Love the last just loves to fly. 18 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:20.480 This is the flatter file true. Prosteve p Siene Sleep 19 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:27.959 says secrets creep six thousand, Yes, contrue the lie stands dancing. 20 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:28.879 The ton time. 21 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:36.599 This is the flatter fis true. Fronstap Science Sleep says sigarettes, 22 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:42.239 creep say thousand yes, contrue lies, the status dance, and 23 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:43.920 the time Sun time. 24 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:51.599 Man, We're gonna jump into today's episode. A great guest 25 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:55.120 today again joining us from the state of Minnesota. It's Chris. Chris. 26 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:56.519 Good morning, sir. How are you? 27 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:00.400 Yeah, good morning. I appreciate you UH have me on. 28 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:06.799 When I heard the Home Stretch podcast, I was mixed emotions. 29 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.120 To be honest with you, I totally get why you're 30 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:10.919 doing what you're doing and what you need to do. 31 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:14.039 But it's been a great run for this podcast and 32 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:17.400 so many great guests, and you learn so much, and 33 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:18.800 not only from you, but all your guests. So I 34 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:19.479 appreciate you. 35 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:22.719 I appreciate that, and it's been I felt, in many 36 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:25.360 ways spoiled to be able to have this conversation because I, 37 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:27.680 like most people out there, don't have a lot of 38 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:31.400 people to talk about these type of topics in person. 39 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:36.199 Right we have maybe Facebook groups or whether whatever social 40 00:02:36.280 --> 00:02:38.319 media tool you use to have this kind of conversation, 41 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.639 but face to face in person, I'm willing to bet 42 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:43.520 that most people don't have a lot of people to 43 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:45.719 talk Flat Earth with and their journey to the truth 44 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.479 and I've been blessed to have talked over two hundred 45 00:02:48.520 --> 00:02:51.960 people over the last few years, and about fifteen more 46 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:54.360 as we close the podcast out. So again, thank you 47 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:56.520 for your time, and why don't you go ahead and 48 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:57.800 introduce yourself to the audience. 49 00:02:58.680 --> 00:03:01.639 Yeah. Sure, my name is Chris, obviously, I'm from the 50 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:05.520 north central part of Minnesota, a little lakes community up here, 51 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:10.360 kind of RESORTI beautiful place to live and raise a family. 52 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:15.159 I'm a forty six year old father of two beautiful daughters. 53 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:18.199 I can't believe they're already almost nineteen. And then my 54 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:21.560 other one just turned seventeen last week, So kind of 55 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.919 coming to the home stretch of raising children and turning 56 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:29.240 them out to the lovely world sending my oldest one 57 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:33.400 off to college here in August. Beautiful moving day on 58 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:36.479 the August twenty third, so going to University of North 59 00:03:36.520 --> 00:03:40.400 Dakota where it's even colder and windier. So, and then 60 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:42.360 my youngest daughter is actually going to be also going 61 00:03:42.400 --> 00:03:45.319 to the University of North Dakota. She committed to play 62 00:03:45.360 --> 00:03:48.199 Division one basketball for them as well. So we are 63 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.879 going to be a und fighting Hawk family for the 64 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:55.639 remaining future. So that's kind of cool been married now 65 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:58.120 for nearly twenty three years, and in the next two 66 00:03:58.159 --> 00:04:02.000 weeks it would be our twenty third wedding anniversary. Never 67 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:04.199 you know, about ten years ago, you would have never 68 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:06.039 thought I would have made it to my twenty third 69 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:08.159 wedding anniversary. And I'll kind of get into that a 70 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:11.599 little bit. But married to my beautiful wife now for 71 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:15.879 nearly twenty three years. And for an occupation, I'm a 72 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:19.720 regional sales manager at a medical device company. So the 73 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:21.600 reason I wanted to come on this podcast is just 74 00:04:21.680 --> 00:04:24.879 I kind of see myself as just an average person 75 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:28.240 out in the world who happened to kind of catch 76 00:04:28.319 --> 00:04:31.120 wind of flat Earth and just kind of caught on 77 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.519 fire for it, and for whatever reason, just kept digging, 78 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:37.600 kept digging, kept digging, and really started to find the 79 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:41.240 truth and finally became awake. Even after being a Christian 80 00:04:41.319 --> 00:04:44.920 for X number of years. It's amazing how flat Earth 81 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.120 can just even bring you closer to Jesus. And so, 82 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:52.959 you know, for me personally, growing up, I was raised Lutheran, 83 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:56.360 like most probably Minnesotans are. It's a very Lutheran community here, 84 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:00.639 Scandinavian Lutheran community, you know, and you just ended up 85 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:02.800 checking the boxes and going to church as a kid, 86 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:05.680 and I got confirmed, and I was baptized as a baby, 87 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:08.439 and you just do all the box checking that you do, 88 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:11.600 and so I just I don't really feel like I 89 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:15.120 ever had a true relationship with Jesus. Growing up. I 90 00:05:15.160 --> 00:05:17.600 would say I was a believer. I believed in God, 91 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:20.920 but beyond that, that's all it really was. It was 92 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.759 more about when I was growing up, about all right, 93 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.319 getting good grades, portraying that you were a good person. 94 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:30.600 And then I was heavily involved in basketball growing up, right, 95 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:34.839 and so that ended up taking me to being recruited 96 00:05:35.199 --> 00:05:39.000 and going out on the West Coast and playing Division 97 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:42.120 one basketball out on the West Coast, you know, in 98 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:45.439 the late nineties, early two thousands, which was a ton 99 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.199 of fun. Absolutely wouldn't have traded it for the world. 100 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:52.360 Got to really travel the country, and eventually I played 101 00:05:52.399 --> 00:05:54.959 professionally in Italy for a year until a back injury 102 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:58.000 caught up with me from my senior year in college. 103 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:01.319 And so you get to travel, you know, the United States, 104 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:03.879 and you get to travel the world and see beautiful 105 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:08.079 things and meet great people. But you know, at that point, 106 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:10.680 you know you have your back injury, and you're like, 107 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:12.639 all right, now I got to give up basketball and 108 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:15.079 it's time to hit the real world. So thankfully I 109 00:06:15.199 --> 00:06:19.160 did get my degree. And you know, when I was 110 00:06:19.319 --> 00:06:21.560 back actually from Italy, is when I actually ended up 111 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:24.639 meeting my wife. So I traveled the world and I 112 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:26.920 married a local girl. That's just how life goes, right, 113 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:30.519 So I ended up we graduated two years below each 114 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.680 other in high school, didn't really know each other too well, 115 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:34.920 knew of each other and that's about it. And so 116 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:36.839 I ran into her when I was back rehaving my 117 00:06:36.959 --> 00:06:40.079 back from Italy, and all it took was two and 118 00:06:40.079 --> 00:06:42.120 a half months George and we were engaged. So I 119 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:46.839 tell my daughters, you know, don't get any ideas two 120 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:49.600 and a half months is pretty pretty pretty short engagement 121 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.480 period there. So we got we got engaged very quickly, 122 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:57.560 and then married about eleven months after that. So you know, 123 00:06:57.600 --> 00:06:59.800 when you get married young. It seems like people are 124 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:02.560 married older and older these days, but we were twenty 125 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:05.279 three and twenty one. We decided to take about four 126 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:07.519 four and a half years to ourselves and just be 127 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.759 a married couple without the kid thing, which was fantastic, 128 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:15.279 but one of the things I noticed about myself was, 129 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:18.399 you know, you don't have a relationship with Jesus. You 130 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:22.720 lose basketball, which was your identity, that was who you were. 131 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.879 And I was struggling through our marriage. I was just 132 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:29.319 struggling through what I wanted to do for a job 133 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:33.160 and who I was If without basketball, was I really anything? 134 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:35.680 And I think that I really struggled with my identity, 135 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:39.800 which you know, it leads to drinking more. And then 136 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:43.199 you have three back surgeries in your mid thirties to 137 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.079 fix what happened to you in college. And you know, 138 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.480 for thirteen months, I had three back surgeries and you're 139 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:52.319 on pain pills and opioids that whole time, just trying 140 00:07:52.360 --> 00:07:55.560 to manage the pain and go through all the surgeries. 141 00:07:55.639 --> 00:08:00.560 And so you know that moment, I feel so really 142 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:03.279 I kind of all came to a culmination in twenty fifteen, 143 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.560 the wheels just kind of came off my marriage, and 144 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:07.319 all of a sudden, my wife looks at me, She's like, 145 00:08:07.399 --> 00:08:09.439 you need to move out. I'm like, oh my gosh, 146 00:08:10.600 --> 00:08:13.839 where am I at now? So thankfully God had a 147 00:08:13.879 --> 00:08:16.160 plan for me, even though I wasn't what I would 148 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.600 call a true believer at that point. In time got 149 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.480 me in connection with a kind of a buddy of 150 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:24.120 mine that i'd lost contact with, good Christian buddy of 151 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:27.360 mine who was living in an apartment above the soup 152 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.720 kitchen here in town, if you want to believe that one. 153 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:33.360 So I really had to re evaluate my life and 154 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.039 figure out, Okay, where did I want to go at 155 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.240 this point in my life. To be honest with you, 156 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:40.960 I thought my marriage was over. I'm like, all right, 157 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:43.720 I just need to become a better person for my kids. 158 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.840 You know. At the time, my kids were in you know, 159 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.519 second and fourth grade. I've got to come up with 160 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:50.279 a planned at least be a good father to them 161 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:53.399 if my marriage is going to be over. So, throughout 162 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:58.399 that period of living away from home, you know, I 163 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:00.559 started to kind of get into the world a little 164 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:03.320 bit and explore Jesus a little bit more on what 165 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:06.679 that meant for me. I got involved with a local 166 00:09:06.759 --> 00:09:10.679 AA group that was more than just talking about higher 167 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:14.039 power but talking specifically about Jesus Christ, and so really 168 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:17.159 got involved with that, got involved with the church. In 169 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:19.679 November fifteen, I decided to give my life to Christ 170 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:23.200 and get baptized, which my wife attended. My baptism. So 171 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:24.960 I'm like, well, this is a good side here. He's 172 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:28.120 got my baptism. That's kind of cool. And then a 173 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.120 few months I went by and I think my wife 174 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:32.919 saw the person that she knew I was and knew 175 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:36.279 she wanted, and in February of sixteen asked me to 176 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:39.559 move back into the house. And since that moment in time, 177 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:43.159 our marriage has never been better. It was really cool 178 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:45.720 to just you know, be a part of, you know, 179 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:49.879 raising my kids and coaching their sports teams and all 180 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:52.320 sorts of stuff like that. And now they're nineteen and seventeen, 181 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:56.399 and I'm very open with them. I think it's important 182 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:59.200 that my kids know the struggles of life and the 183 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:02.240 struggles that that Satan can bring upon us here on 184 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:05.399 this earth. And that's okay, and they need to be 185 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:08.799 wary of that as well. So, you know, they don't 186 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:11.159 really quite remember the details of it all back in 187 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:14.320 twenty fifteen, but I remind them, you know, here and 188 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:16.639 there of hey, you know, mom and I we were 189 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:19.279 split up, and here's why, and here's kind of the 190 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:23.080 pitfalls I want you guys to avoid when you get bolder. 191 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.080 So yeah, I mean, that's kind of what brought me 192 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.559 to my kind of solid Christian faith right now, and 193 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.159 then you know, you start living that Christian faith and 194 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:38.799 it can kind of plateau at times. And I'm you know, 195 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:41.440 involved in a local church here, I'm on the governing 196 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:45.200 team and we're you know, trying to make some difficult 197 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:49.440 decisions about the direction of the church. And then all 198 00:10:49.480 --> 00:10:52.840 of a sudden twenty twenty three, for whatever reason, a 199 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.039 bunch of videos started coming across my TikTok for you 200 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.639 page about flat Earth. And I had no idea what 201 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:04.720 this was, what this concept was, and I don't know why. 202 00:11:04.840 --> 00:11:07.200 It just kind of captured me and I started and then, 203 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:09.440 you know the TikTok algorithm, if you stay too long 204 00:11:09.519 --> 00:11:11.639 on a video, then they start throwing more flatter and 205 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:13.519 stuff at you. And I just kept getting into it 206 00:11:13.559 --> 00:11:17.000 and getting into it. I got introduced to flat Earth Dave, 207 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:19.240 and then the Fittest Flatter through, which I know is 208 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:22.639 a guest on your podcast. A little bit ago, ran 209 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.399 across a guy who was offering a true Earth kind 210 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:29.879 of manifesto book that was a free download. So I 211 00:11:29.919 --> 00:11:31.840 went and got that and I was I was reading 212 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:35.240 and it's constantly kind of pursuing this flat earth thing, 213 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:38.679 because it was just very, very fascinating to me some 214 00:11:38.840 --> 00:11:41.240 of the things that were going on. So I just 215 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:46.000 became obsessed with my research. And then through through this research, 216 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:49.279 it's interesting. You know, I don't think people realize that 217 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:52.279 when you when you start researching flat earth, it's it's 218 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:54.480 going to bring you closer whether you want to or not, 219 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:56.039 it's going to bring you closer to the truth, and 220 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:58.000 it's going to bring you closer to Jesus in your life. 221 00:11:58.039 --> 00:11:59.600 It just it just is what it is, right, and 222 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:02.840 and it's you start seeing what the Bible says about it, 223 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:05.919 and you start reading the various verses out there of 224 00:12:06.120 --> 00:12:10.840 of you know, the Earth is stationary, not moving, and 225 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:14.679 the creation and Genesis, and it was just it kept 226 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:18.279 my mind going. And so then you start sharing it 227 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:20.480 with people. And I know you've talked about this many 228 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:22.120 of times, George. There's just not a lot of people 229 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.200 to talk flat earth with, right, So I start talking 230 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:27.399 with the people that i'm you know, at least they're 231 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:30.879 comfortable in my life. I bring it to my dad 232 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:36.679 and my brother met with you know, they're not believers. 233 00:12:36.720 --> 00:12:39.799 They're like, no, there's no way, you're crazy. So that 234 00:12:39.919 --> 00:12:41.759 was a little discouraging, and like, well, they're not buying 235 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:43.960 into flat Earth and I'm you know, I'm the son, 236 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:46.519 and I could tell almost my dad was a little 237 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:50.279 angry about it. It was interesting. My brother just kind 238 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:52.879 of shakes his head and he, you know, it's just like, wow, 239 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:54.919 this is you know, this is something. Chris is on it. 240 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:57.360 He'll get over it. And then I do a men's group. 241 00:12:57.360 --> 00:12:59.440 I do a Bible study group on Tuesday mornings. I 242 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:01.039 kind of brought it up to them. I'm like, what 243 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:02.840 do you guys think about flat Earth and kind of 244 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:06.440 the Biblical model of Earth and the creation and all 245 00:13:06.480 --> 00:13:10.240 that stuff, And with met with much resistance, to be 246 00:13:10.320 --> 00:13:13.559 honest with you, which I was surprised about. Probably shouldn't 247 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:15.159 have been surprised about it, but you know, I was 248 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:17.360 excited to share it with them of something that kind 249 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:20.480 of was bringing me closer to Jesus. And they just 250 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:22.799 kind of poo pooed it and had a lot of 251 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:26.000 questions and we're trying to contradict everything. And I'm like, 252 00:13:26.039 --> 00:13:28.399 all right, so there's that. Where I've had the most 253 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:30.759 successful is my immediate family. It'd be quite awser if 254 00:13:30.799 --> 00:13:36.320 you specifically my daughters, my wife, my oldest daughter, super cool. 255 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:41.120 She talks about it often with her friends who are eighteen, nineteen, 256 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:44.480 twenty years old. And I have fielded my phone and 257 00:13:44.480 --> 00:13:46.639 O ring at ten thirty at night. She's up visiting 258 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:49.919 some friends up in college, some of her older friends 259 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:52.080 that are already in college, and I'm fielding a forty 260 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:53.960 five minute phone call because they have all these questions 261 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:55.440 for me, and they want to talk flat Earth and 262 00:13:55.519 --> 00:13:57.279 they want to learn more. So I thought, that's just 263 00:13:57.360 --> 00:14:00.919 super cool. I just I fined that the younger generation 264 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:03.440 seems a little bit more open to this particular concept 265 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.240 than the older generation, who have been so programmed our 266 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:09.159 whole lives. It's harder for the scales to come off 267 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.919 our eyes, and we have to admit that we were wrong, 268 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:14.000 and that kind of is a kind of a blow 269 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:17.919 to our pride, so you know, And then I started searching. 270 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:19.519 I'm like, well, I drive a lot for my work. 271 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:21.720 You know, I'm in sales. I'm a regional sales manager, 272 00:14:21.759 --> 00:14:23.279 and I got to go visit my reps and I 273 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:25.799 got to kill some time. Let's see what podcasts are 274 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.120 out there. So then I search up a flatter of 275 00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:32.440 podcasts and here you come with your podcast. And so 276 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.679 I probably latched onto your podcast about a year and change, 277 00:14:35.759 --> 00:14:38.639 about eighteen months ago roughly, and just started listening to 278 00:14:39.080 --> 00:14:42.200 to you know, all your amazing guests and all that stuff, 279 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:44.120 and so I guess that's what kind of brought me here. 280 00:14:44.200 --> 00:14:45.639 And then you always announce well, if you want to 281 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.519 be a guest on the show, email the show, and 282 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.279 probably took me six months to get the guts to 283 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:54.399 do it. And then you know I was telling you 284 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:56.759 before the show. Then you do it, and your time 285 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:58.559 is coming to come on the show, and you get 286 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:00.279 a little nervous and you're like, gosh, do I have 287 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:02.919 enough content? Do people really want to listen to a 288 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.320 guy like me talk about, you know, flat Earth and 289 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:08.039 my journey to Jesus and all sorts of stuff like that. 290 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:10.519 And then you know, my wife just said just do it. 291 00:15:10.600 --> 00:15:12.679 You'll be fine, and I'm like, all right, so I 292 00:15:12.799 --> 00:15:14.799 do back out. I thought about it and not going 293 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:16.840 to lie to you, but I'm glad I didn't and 294 00:15:16.879 --> 00:15:18.480 I'm glad I'm here. So thank you for the time. 295 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:22.120 Well what an outstanding introduction, and now it's time to 296 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:24.600 ask you a few questions about your introduction first and 297 00:15:24.720 --> 00:15:29.559 foremost in your journey to the truth. Would you say 298 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:32.480 flat Earth was one of the first rabbit holes you 299 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:34.840 had ever come across, or have you kind of been 300 00:15:34.919 --> 00:15:37.159 privy to other things say that like nine to eleven 301 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:40.360 Oklahoma City or COVID or things like that. 302 00:15:40.600 --> 00:15:43.799 Yeah, that's an interesting question. So I would never coin 303 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.559 myself as a conspiracy guy up until flat Earth, to 304 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:49.919 be quite honest with you. And I think that's why 305 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.960 people when I start talking about this stuff, they're like, Chris, 306 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:55.919 this isn't here, This isn't usually your style, this isn't 307 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:59.879 typically who you are. And I'm just so passionate about it, 308 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:03.279 and I feel like, you know, knowledgeable about it. I've 309 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:07.000 done the research, I know the numbers, and so I 310 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:09.720 want to talk to people about it and so. And 311 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.000 then once you get introduced to flat Earth, that that's 312 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:13.799 when you start going down other rabbit holes. 313 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:14.000 Right. 314 00:16:14.039 --> 00:16:16.480 You're like, well, if they're lying about this, what else 315 00:16:16.600 --> 00:16:19.200 is going on? And obviously we knew in twenty twenty 316 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.440 something was weird with COVID, right, And so you start 317 00:16:22.519 --> 00:16:25.240 then going backwards and you start researching all these things, 318 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:28.639 and obviously with flat Earth comes you know, the moon landing, 319 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.159 and you start I was always skeptical the moon landing, 320 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:33.000 but you know, you just kind of chalk it up 321 00:16:33.039 --> 00:16:34.480 to it is what it is, and you don't really 322 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:37.159 get too much into it. And I think that's the 323 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:39.639 that's the secret of Satan is just kind of keep 324 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:42.759 us distracted, and it just keep us, you know, status quo, 325 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:45.120 and we won't ask too many questions and it'll just 326 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:47.240 kind of pass on its own and we'll all still 327 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:50.639 believe it. So I would say flat Earth. It started 328 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:53.080 with flat Earth, and then it really kind of morphed 329 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:54.679 into all right, I got to look at some other 330 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:57.240 things here, because this is a big this is a 331 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.960 big lie. Why the lie? And you have a great 332 00:17:00.120 --> 00:17:03.720 podcast on that, Why the Lie? And then you start 333 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:06.519 going down other rabbit holes of nine to eleven and 334 00:17:07.160 --> 00:17:11.200 the you know, eighty six challenger and the Oklahoma City 335 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.160 bombing and COVID, and it just it starts tail spinning 336 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:15.680 and your eyes just become wide open. 337 00:17:17.200 --> 00:17:21.240 Indeed for me, and I think, God, you know, sets 338 00:17:21.319 --> 00:17:23.960 us in these situations, because for me, I wouldn't even 339 00:17:24.000 --> 00:17:26.000 looked at flatter ath if it wasn't the last piece 340 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:29.279 of evidence. But it was like what you said. Once 341 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:33.200 you understand how big this lie is, then the veil 342 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:35.279 truly drops from your eye and you're able to go 343 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:37.799 book to go back, bardon me and look at all 344 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:43.839 these other quote unquote conspiracies. You're from Minnesota, like you mentioned, 345 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:48.279 a significant Lutheran population, I think from the eighteen twenties 346 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.640 or so forward, the huge influx of German and Scandinavian 347 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:56.359 folks up until I guess fifteen years ago, and then 348 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:00.880 you've seen a huge influx of I don't know if 349 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.039 they're African or Middle Eastern descent, but you have a 350 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:06.039 lot of Smollion actually yeah, and you somoum, yeah, a 351 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:09.319 lot of state reps. But still such a huge representation 352 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:15.519 of Lutherans here in Delaware. Very Methodist but still Protestant. 353 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:20.319 I'm shocked when you ask someone who started Protestantism that 354 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:23.440 their clue is like that they just don't know even 355 00:18:23.480 --> 00:18:26.480 what Protestant means. That it comes from protesting Catholicism, and 356 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:29.119 then Martin Luther and the Reformation started it. But I 357 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:31.240 would assume in your neck of the woods that's not 358 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:31.640 the same. 359 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:36.039 No, it's it's not. And it's interesting. My journey so 360 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:39.039 you know, you grew up Lutheran, and then I marry 361 00:18:39.920 --> 00:18:43.279 my wife, who came from a very staunch Catholic background, 362 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:45.599 so the point where her uncle actually was a priest, 363 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.720 and so, you know, not being strong in my faith, 364 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:50.359 I'm like, oh, you want me to become you want 365 00:18:50.400 --> 00:18:52.559 me to become Catholic, I'll become Catholic. So I did 366 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:56.319 the RCIA classes to become Catholic. In two thousand and one, 367 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:01.119 I'm sitting in RCIA classes on Bowl Sunday and missing 368 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.200 one of the best Super Bowls ever was the Rams 369 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.480 uh Rams Patriots that year, right the Vinitary kick, And 370 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:10.839 I'm sitting in RCI classes like, oh man, I'm missing 371 00:19:10.880 --> 00:19:13.640 the Super Bowl for this. So I became Catholic. Uh 372 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.400 really just to appease my wife's family and my wife 373 00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:20.079 and and obviously that doesn't stick for you as well 374 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:22.039 when you're when you're doing it for the wrong reasons. 375 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:25.880 So I've been you know, exposed to the Lutheran side 376 00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:28.160 of things. I've been exposed to the to the Catholic 377 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:30.400 side of things. And then when we started kind of 378 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.240 getting into some challenges in the marriage, We're like, all right, 379 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.279 we're going to go to this non denominational church across 380 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:39.160 the street, and that was fantastic. And that's actually where 381 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:41.319 I met one of the guys in my Bible study. 382 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:43.319 A couple of those guys actually from that church in 383 00:19:43.359 --> 00:19:46.640 my Bible study on Tuesday mornings. Uh So that's fantastic. 384 00:19:47.160 --> 00:19:49.079 H And then we just kind of ended up venturing 385 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:52.119 off to h I guess the church would be classified 386 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:57.319 as a Baptist church, and so was, you know, and 387 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.759 then it just recently changed over to a different Baptist 388 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:03.799 churches that has a lot of many locations throughout Minnesota. 389 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.400 So I've kind of had a journey to to to 390 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:10.279 Jesus that you know, I think a lot more people 391 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:12.359 end up on that journey than they'd like to admit, 392 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:14.920 where you kind of you hop around and then you 393 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:18.440 really find something that that that sticks and you find 394 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:20.640 something that makes sense to you and you're just like, wow, 395 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:22.480 this is this is my home and this is where 396 00:20:22.519 --> 00:20:23.960 I need to be. And so we've been there now 397 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:28.240 for about eight years and it's just been a fantastic experience. 398 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:31.720 That's awesome. I wanted to touch on something, don't want 399 00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:33.920 to dwell on it, but I noticed when I had 400 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:36.599 I've had two knee surgeries, I had surgery on my wrist, 401 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:39.599