Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
Speaker 1: In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to
Speaker 1: bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've
Speaker 1: seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers
Speaker 1: to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,
Speaker 1: and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.
Speaker 1: These are the voices of the people who've lived it.
Speaker 1: To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that
Speaker 1: just might change the way you see the woods forever.
Speaker 1: So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. I've
Speaker 1: got the privilege of talking to a gentleman tonight. His
Speaker 1: name is Arturo. He's from the South Oregon area. He's
Speaker 1: a truck driver. He's got some really interesting things he's
Speaker 1: experienced over the years, and we've been kind of going
Speaker 1: back and forth for a bit, but his info came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, and I'm glad I'm actually able to
Speaker 1: talk to him on air now. And Arturo, how are
Speaker 1: you doing tonight, sir?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Pretty good, fantastic And the road is treating you well
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the time of the year to really
Speaker 2: build the snow and ice and all that. So summertime
Speaker 2: is a high mileage, good base. So I really enjoy
Speaker 2: the spring and the summer, fall and winter and whin.
Speaker 2: I gotta be a little more cautious with other drivers
Speaker 2: and road conditions, but right now it's a great time
Speaker 2: of year to be driving truck.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, just you in the open road sounds great. Well, Arturo,
Speaker 1: You've got some really interesting things to share. We talked
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier today and the stuff that you
Speaker 1: told me then, I was like, Wow, this is going
Speaker 1: to be a very unique one. I'm excited to get
Speaker 1: into it. So Arturo, I'm gonna let you go ahead
Speaker 1: and take us where we need to go with what
Speaker 1: you've experienced.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it's going to be a two part thing.
Speaker 2: The first part will be my personal experiences and what
Speaker 2: happened to me back in twenty two, and the second
Speaker 2: part will be account of the story of I know
Speaker 2: what happened in southern Oregon. But I guess I'll start
Speaker 2: with the twenty ten My personal experience. I've always been
Speaker 2: a kind of heavier set guy. I was like about
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty pounds since high school and a
Speaker 2: couple of years before my incident, I had been a
Speaker 2: really bad car wreck and I ended up being in
Speaker 2: intensive care for a long time and bedridden for a
Speaker 2: couple of months and like, you know, whole year of
Speaker 2: therapy just be able to walk good again and all that.
Speaker 2: And during that period, I'd put on about another one
Speaker 2: hundred pounds. I was really large, up like three hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty pounds, and my health became a big concern
Speaker 2: for me. And I've always been kind of into like
Speaker 2: pushcraft and survivalism, and you know, since I was a
Speaker 2: kid watching terminator and you know, things like that, and like,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of things like that, and then
Speaker 2: but I really into the wilderness and outdoors. So I decided,
Speaker 2: for the better my health, was gonna start doing some
Speaker 2: you know, short hikes and maybe getting out and practicing
Speaker 2: a little bushcraft. So I started to do that. In
Speaker 2: southern California and this area between Orange County and Riverside County,
Speaker 2: there was a road that kind of divided into two
Speaker 2: counties on this mountaintop, but below that in the valley
Speaker 2: there was a couple of creeks with small waterfalls and
Speaker 2: things like that. There was a basically BLM road that
Speaker 2: went up into the area. So I started going there
Speaker 2: as far as I could drive, and then i'd park
Speaker 2: my truck and I was doing these short hikes about
Speaker 2: three quarters of a mile in and I'd hang out
Speaker 2: the creek and you know, mess around the bushcraft and
Speaker 2: practicing doing like bow drill and hand drill, starting fires
Speaker 2: and different things like that, do some woodcarving, and I
Speaker 2: was doing that for a while, and then eventually there's
Speaker 2: too many accidents on that mountain of people, mostly like
Speaker 2: high school kids partying up in the hills and driving
Speaker 2: off the edge of the sides of the mountains and
Speaker 2: lay it to a couple of fatalities. So they closed
Speaker 2: the road down where I used to drive in to
Speaker 2: get to that area. So then it became a thing
Speaker 2: of you know limitation on the If I was going
Speaker 2: to hike in there, it became about about five and
Speaker 2: a half to maybe six and a half mile hike
Speaker 2: to get to that area where I was hanging out.
Speaker 2: So I decided to start, you know, hiking in and
Speaker 2: bringing a hammock so I could just stay overnight or
Speaker 2: hike in, hang out for the day, you know, have
Speaker 2: a little fun, stay the night and then hike out
Speaker 2: the next day so I wouldn't have to, you know,
Speaker 2: try to do a ten twelve mile hike in one day.
Speaker 2: So I started doing that for a while. Started building
Speaker 2: a pretty decent kind of permanent structure. But there was
Speaker 2: a small series of mines and caves and stuff over
Speaker 2: there where they used to look for I think they're
Speaker 2: looking for copper and over and different minerals and stuff.
Speaker 2: But they basically all ran dry and had got closed down.
Speaker 2: So the Forager Service had went in and put concrete
Speaker 2: and rebar up on all the interests to close them off.
Speaker 2: But I found one of those was a fairly good
Speaker 2: sized opening, and I noticed that there was constantly a
Speaker 2: draft that pulled into the cave. So I was like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's gonna be an awesome location to build
Speaker 2: a little permanent structure. So that's what I did, and
Speaker 2: had a little fire pit to the back I built,
Speaker 2: and really nice. I could have a small fire in there,
Speaker 2: and the smoke always draft into the tunnel and come
Speaker 2: up out the hill somewhere. So I fortified the entrance
Speaker 2: real good. It was built it real nice, and behind
Speaker 2: a big brushline. It was really hard to find the spot,
Speaker 2: and I always try to take different routes going to
Speaker 2: my little you know, hideaway. But at the time of
Speaker 2: doing that, I had this little Chihuahua mixed dog that
Speaker 2: I had gotten was a rescue my former employer. His
Speaker 2: wife was real big on resking every animal, you know,
Speaker 2: she'd find strays, bring him back and all this. But
Speaker 2: this little dog end up being a crazy dog and
Speaker 2: little tiny Chiwala just scared everybody. And they told me
Speaker 2: if I could take him for a couple of days,
Speaker 2: they could, you know, find an owner somebody'd be willing
Speaker 2: to take him. And the dog ended up just like
Speaker 2: just falling me around everywhere and bade me and everything.
Speaker 2: So I decided to keep that dog and solve the
Speaker 2: whole problem, and then I d having somebody to do
Speaker 2: my little hikes with me and stuff. But the dog
Speaker 2: really didn't like anybody or listen to anybody. Anybody got
Speaker 2: within ten fifteen feet of me or anybody at my house,
Speaker 2: he'd start growling and barking and you know, just pull
Speaker 2: Chihuahua yapp and thing. But I started to notice when
Speaker 2: we were hiking in when we got to a certain
Speaker 2: point where there was this ridge My dog would always
Speaker 2: get distracted and he'd put his ears up, like if
Speaker 2: i'd call whistle for the dog, whatever you get here,
Speaker 2: you know, he put his ears up. He'd look around
Speaker 2: and he'd run right at me. And he never did
Speaker 2: that for anybody else, like ever, not even the people
Speaker 2: who live with me. He just wouldn't respond to anybody.
Speaker 2: But I started noticing we get to this point, he'd
Speaker 2: put his ears up like if I was calling him,
Speaker 2: and he'd just go running off in the bush, go
Speaker 2: trying to get up to that ridge up there. And
Speaker 2: I started bothering me, like, what is this dog hearing?
Speaker 2: It's like attracting him so much that he's just completely
Speaker 2: disobeying my commands, you know, running off. So you know,
Speaker 2: I started, you know, kind of watching him more, and
Speaker 2: I got to the point where he was just like
Speaker 2: he'd take off and he'd be gone for like an hour.
Speaker 2: I just continue hiking towards my little bushcraft shelter I built,
Speaker 2: and I just got really annoised this. I started putting
Speaker 2: him on a leash when we go past the section,
Speaker 2: and I started to realize that, like, whoever time we
Speaker 2: go to that section, besides the dog acting, you know,
Speaker 2: completely out of the ordinary, just completely you know, different
Speaker 2: from his normal day to day. I started noticing I
Speaker 2: always had this sensation of you know, being watched, you know,
Speaker 2: and then I started thinking, oh, well, maybe somebody else
Speaker 2: has a camp there. Maybe it's you know, there there
Speaker 2: was some transient and homeless people in the area that
Speaker 2: used to camp out there, but they're more down the
Speaker 2: valley towards all where the massive amount of citrus, orange
Speaker 2: groves and grapefruit were and things like that, so I
Speaker 2: wasn't really thinking it was that. And then I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just a weird feeling. And one day
Speaker 2: in particular, we were walking in the ridges above me
Speaker 2: to my left side, and it was probably about sixty
Speaker 2: seventy yards up the side of this hill was a
Speaker 2: real steep cliff. As I was walking, it was a
Speaker 2: real quiet day, like hardly no wind, nothing, and everything
Speaker 2: got real quiet, and I started actually hearing like leaves
Speaker 2: rustling and things like that. And then at one point
Speaker 2: I saw a couple of little small rocks like rolled
Speaker 2: down the well. So it caused me to look up
Speaker 2: to my left and I realized that my dog was
Speaker 2: already staring up at that direction. The whole time we
Speaker 2: were walking, So I started really paying attention to that
Speaker 2: ridge to the left of me. So I'm just like
Speaker 2: walking ahead and just kind of focusing to my left
Speaker 2: the whole time, and I'm really getting that eerie feeling
Speaker 2: of just being watched. So I just come to a
Speaker 2: complete stop. I started glancing the ridge, and then that's
Speaker 2: that's when I saw him, right. And you know, I've
Speaker 2: heard a lot of things about, you know, Bigfoot being
Speaker 2: this big giant, you know, gorilla ape and type things
Speaker 2: like that. What I saw was nothing looking like a Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: you know. And the way, the best way I can
Speaker 2: explain it is like I grew up in the early
Speaker 2: eighties watching wrestling and Halgain and all that, and I
Speaker 2: kind of pictured it. It'd be like Andrea the Giant
Speaker 2: that they had from wrestling back in the day. But
Speaker 2: it looked like Andre the Giant with like totally straight hair,
Speaker 2: not curly hair. The hair was had like a light
Speaker 2: red tint to it, but with a lot of gray hair,
Speaker 2: like an old man. But it looked like a caveman,
Speaker 2: you know, like not with like you see with like
Speaker 2: the loincloth, you know, patch of animal for over him.
Speaker 2: Carrying a club. It just looks kind of like a Neanderthal,
Speaker 2: but just like really huge, like Andrea the Giant. So
Speaker 2: I stopped. I'm like staring at it, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: so the fuddo, I'm so confused on what I'm seeing.
Speaker 2: I just start to slowly just keep walking forward, and
Speaker 2: I'm staring up at the hill and what I'm seeing
Speaker 2: starts to walk forward too, and it's and it's staring
Speaker 2: right back at me, and my dog is full eye contact.
Speaker 2: I'm walking almost like twenty thirty yards staring up the
Speaker 2: hill as the thing I'm watching goes to where there's
Speaker 2: like a clearing of trees and it's not such a
Speaker 2: wide open part of the ridge. The thing I'm watching
Speaker 2: is watching me so intently, just like I'm watching him.
Speaker 2: The thing I'm watching walks right into a tree branch
Speaker 2: that was right at its head level and just smacked
Speaker 2: it in the head. And so I was like, what
Speaker 2: I saw the whole tree shape real bad, and the
Speaker 2: thing let out this roar like a yelped like like
Speaker 2: I tried to explain my one buddy. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: like you're walking down the hallway, you know, the middle
Speaker 2: of the night you get have to take a leak,
Speaker 2: and you're walking down the hallway and you just stub
Speaker 2: your toe, you know, just like unexpected pain out of nowhere,
Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, you know, you know, he's let
Speaker 2: out a sound, you know, and it was kind of
Speaker 2: like that, and then it looks stunned, and then it
Speaker 2: and it looked away from me, looked at the tree branch.
Speaker 2: It put its left arm up to where his left
Speaker 2: arm was like level with its eyesight, almost grabbed the
Speaker 2: branch and it just bent it all the way back,
Speaker 2: snapped it off and kind of squirted it away a
Speaker 2: little quicker, and it just disappeared. And then no more sound,
Speaker 2: no more nothing. And I was so confused. I kept
Speaker 2: trying to just play back in my mind of what
Speaker 2: I just saw, and I really started thinking about it,
Speaker 2: and like the way the body was, I just kept thinking, like,
Speaker 2: you know, like this is like a really old, like
Speaker 2: really obese man, you know, like I'm a big guy
Speaker 2: walking out there, I'm struggling to make this hike all
Speaker 2: the time, you know, and I'm seeing this other creature
Speaker 2: that looks way very very old and very very heavy
Speaker 2: set too, but with a lot of muscle. And what
Speaker 2: I remember when I was looking at it. I used
Speaker 2: to work at a animal shelter probably three or four
Speaker 2: years prior to that, and we had a dog that
Speaker 2: came in that we had a quarantine and kind of
Speaker 2: putting its own separate kennel out in the field in
Speaker 2: a different area and all that. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: why's that dog out there? And they say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: that dog has made uh it's real highly contagious. You know,
Speaker 2: the other animals can get it real quick. We gotta
Speaker 2: keep them separate. You know. If we go in there
Speaker 2: to feed them, we have to bleach the things down.
Speaker 2: I have to wear rubber boots and gloves and everything's
Speaker 2: got to get bleached to sanitize. But I remember about
Speaker 2: the dog having kind of like big patches of fur
Speaker 2: missing that looked all like scratched up and kind of scabby.
Speaker 2: And that was the same thing that I saw on
Speaker 2: you know, where I referred to was under the giant
Speaker 2: and I had I just remember having big patches of
Speaker 2: like where it had been like scratching at itself to
Speaker 2: where like the fur was gone and it was just
Speaker 2: like raw, kind of scabby, you know, nastiness underneath it,
Speaker 2: and it just looked like in such poor health. Like
Speaker 2: it was like, you know, I'm out there struggling, and
Speaker 2: you know, and I see this other thing and I
Speaker 2: and then I was thinking, is this thing always following me?
Speaker 2: Because you know, he's feeling sorry for me trying to
Speaker 2: getting up this ridge, up this hill all the time?
Speaker 2: Was there like a sympathetic thing, you know, like when
Speaker 2: I walked through, he walks through just to you know,
Speaker 2: see if I can make it or is he you know,
Speaker 2: somehow kind of like sublimly like encouraged me to keep
Speaker 2: going every time that I'm you know, struggling trying to
Speaker 2: get through, and basically, you know, he went over the ridge,
Speaker 2: I lost sight of him, and then uh, I had
Speaker 2: to spend it like the next three or four hours
Speaker 2: almost like trying to figure out how to get up
Speaker 2: to that spot where I saw the thing, you know,
Speaker 2: And it was very difficult as a high steat ridge.
Speaker 2: So I had a micing it, hiking ahead about a
Speaker 2: quarter mile trying to find a way up, couldn't find
Speaker 2: nothing where I could because it's so vertical steep. I
Speaker 2: couldn't get up there. So then I had hiking back
Speaker 2: about a quarter mile backwards, and I found a little
Speaker 2: small kind of game trail, but was still pretty steep,
Speaker 2: but I was able to get up the hillside by
Speaker 2: just like pulling on the roots of different trees and
Speaker 2: little shrubs. I got myself up there, and I got
Speaker 2: to the spot where he had smacked his head on
Speaker 2: that branch and just reached up and just broke that
Speaker 2: whole branch. And the first thing I noticed that that
Speaker 2: branch was like four or five inches stick. You know.
Speaker 2: It was a very bottom branch of the tree of
Speaker 2: a big, big tree, so it was a nice stick branch.
Speaker 2: And I was thinking, how did it snap that? And
Speaker 2: then I went closer, got up there, and I was
Speaker 2: trying to grab it to see, you know, just how
Speaker 2: stiff or whatever the branch was. That's when I realized
Speaker 2: that the branch was so high up. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: only five ten, and I put my arm up as
Speaker 2: high as I could put it up, so that I
Speaker 2: don't know if that's another foot and a half up
Speaker 2: or so, and I couldn't even touch the branch. I
Speaker 2: had to pull out my little hiking stick, the telescoping
Speaker 2: one I had, and with it just like one slot
Speaker 2: like halfway out, so I had had about another foot
Speaker 2: and a half or so. It's you know, the height
Speaker 2: of my arm. I was able to smack that branch,
Speaker 2: and it was a live green tree. Where the break was,
Speaker 2: it looked really fibrous. You can see like the fibers
Speaker 2: in the tree like splintering open, and even had like
Speaker 2: a slight bit of sap kind of oozing out by then, but.
Speaker 1: It was a totally fresh tree big so a society
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Speaker 2: And then I started thinking about like when I'm doing bushcraft,
Speaker 2: and sometimes I don't feel like really soalling through material
Speaker 2: to build for you know, certain structures or for just
Speaker 2: firewood or kindling whatever. A lot of times I'll find
Speaker 2: a tree or two trees next to each other or
Speaker 2: kind of wedge into v shape, and I'll take dead
Speaker 2: standing wood that I find, it's maybe two three inches
Speaker 2: in diameter, and I'll wedge it down between the tree
Speaker 2: and then I use my upper body to press against
Speaker 2: it and then kind of use a pendulum. You'll use
Speaker 2: a little leverage to just snap the tree. But that
Speaker 2: only works on dead trees. You know, if it's something
Speaker 2: live green tree, you're gonna be pulling at It's just
Speaker 2: gonna aband and bend and not snap if anything is
Speaker 2: gonna you know, shove me back on the ground. So
Speaker 2: then I was just so confused about that. I didn't
Speaker 2: know what to do. I just looked everything start stared
Speaker 2: there for a while. Realized it was already getting pretty
Speaker 2: dark at that point because it took me forever to
Speaker 2: get up there, and I'm like, well, either I had
Speaker 2: to keep going forward to get to my shelter or
Speaker 2: head back to the truck. And I just didn't really
Speaker 2: didn't feel like staying there with only having a Ruger
Speaker 2: ten twenty two rifle on me, and that's I used
Speaker 2: to carry a survival knife a bushcraft night from the
Speaker 2: Rugerten twenty two, but that was mostly used for just
Speaker 2: planking and squirrel hunting and rabbit hunting. I just had
Speaker 2: like a big fear of me whatever this thing was
Speaker 2: able to, you know, just completely snap that branch that
Speaker 2: by twenty two was going to do nothing. So I
Speaker 2: decided to leave and I hiked back out. And that's
Speaker 2: basically the the first half of my encounter with Andre.
Speaker 1: Just really interesting. This is a very unique account. You
Speaker 1: would say I haven't gotten many like these. I'm just
Speaker 1: going to refer to as Andre. Was Andre wearing any
Speaker 1: clothes then, or was it like pretty much nothing? Okay?
Speaker 2: Nothing?
Speaker 1: You mentioned at one point there was fur this individual.
Speaker 1: Was it covered with fur or hair or what did
Speaker 1: you notice in that?
Speaker 2: It looked like kind of like my old high school
Speaker 2: gym teacher, like he'd take his shirt off and he
Speaker 2: just had his hair his whole body. But the thing,
Speaker 2: it was crazy. I've never seen somebody with that much
Speaker 2: hair over their chests and their arms and their neck
Speaker 2: and all that without you know, it's always like curly hair.
Speaker 2: All this hair was straight. It was a lot of
Speaker 2: hair over the whole body, except for like over the
Speaker 2: pecks of the chest, like where the nipple would be.
Speaker 2: It was kind of bald right there, and then on
Speaker 2: the center like where the belly would be kind of
Speaker 2: kind of balding right there. But all the hair was straight.
Speaker 2: There was no curly hair. It was all real straight,
Speaker 2: really fine hair.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. Is there a color that kind of stood out
Speaker 1: about Andre?
Speaker 2: Well, if anything, I would say it was kind of
Speaker 2: like a reddish brown, but kind of like like if
Speaker 2: you have like a chocolate lab or something. But it
Speaker 2: was like that, but like if it was really aged,
Speaker 2: like very old, like if a lot of that hair
Speaker 2: had already turned like gray and white. You know, like
Speaker 2: if it was younger, it would have been like looking
Speaker 2: like a chocolate lab But it just looked so old,
Speaker 2: like a lot of the hair had turned gray and
Speaker 2: it was really faded.
Speaker 1: You know, how tall would you say it was.
Speaker 2: For the higher the head where that branch was, I'm
Speaker 2: just estimating probably about eight and a half foot up
Speaker 2: to where that branch was where it smacked its head on.
Speaker 1: Definitely, did you notice anything about the arms, the arm lengths,
Speaker 1: anything like that.
Speaker 2: Well, when he put his like forearm up to put
Speaker 2: his hand on the branch to like push the branch
Speaker 2: out of the way that it smacked its head on,
Speaker 2: the arms still had like really huge muscles in the arms.
Speaker 2: It was like, you know, it was, you know, like
Speaker 2: Schwarzenegger back in the day, but just like a lot
Speaker 2: of hair. It looked extremely muscular, but at the same
Speaker 2: time it looked like if it was like overweight. You know, now,
Speaker 2: I'm a big guy, you know, so I was just
Speaker 2: like kind of judging off myself of you know, how
Speaker 2: my body structure looks. You know at that time being
Speaker 2: about three point fifty and prior I did do a
Speaker 2: little bit of wrestling in MMA fighting. I did use
Speaker 2: to train, but I never got extremely yoked. You know.
Speaker 2: I was never a bodybuilder, but I know it's like
Speaker 2: to have some muscle mass with fat over it and
Speaker 2: just kind of looking from what I saw compared to
Speaker 2: that height to the like the build of my body
Speaker 2: and all that. You know, I was honestly nothing had
Speaker 2: weigh you know, seven hundred pounds or something, or eight
Speaker 2: hundred pounds at least, you know, but I did. I
Speaker 2: did see a lot of good amount of muscle, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, were there any points where it was walking
Speaker 1: and you saw the arms they were kind of like
Speaker 1: down by its side at all.
Speaker 2: Almost the whole way that it was walking, the arms were,
Speaker 2: you know, hanging down towards the waist. It never put
Speaker 2: its arms up until it hit the tree branch. The
Speaker 2: whole time I was walking, I was just kind of
Speaker 2: like walking with his arms down on his side, but
Speaker 2: they were kind of slightly swaying maybe back and forth
Speaker 2: about a foot foot and a half or so. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't like swinging its arms as it was walking.
Speaker 2: It was just kind of just swaying them side to
Speaker 2: side as it was facing me.
Speaker 1: And if you had to imagine, like, let's imagine the
Speaker 1: hands are, you know, the arms are by the side
Speaker 1: it's walking. How far down would the tips of the
Speaker 1: finger on the hands go. Are they going above the
Speaker 1: knee or are they going way down the leg past that?
Speaker 2: Probably like choosing knee.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, hands were massive. Were the hands covered with
Speaker 1: with fur or hair or could you see like the
Speaker 1: actual fingers?
Speaker 2: And I could I could see, I could see fingers
Speaker 2: of the hands, you know, and then I couldn't really
Speaker 2: see fingernails though. But I do remember when it put
Speaker 2: its forearm in front of it to grab that tree,
Speaker 2: it looked like his fingers almost touched each other on
Speaker 2: the other side of the tree branch when it was
Speaker 2: going to break it, because the side I was looking at,
Speaker 2: I was on the side that the I was between
Speaker 2: him and the tree branch, you know. So he put
Speaker 2: put his arm up, his fingers went around the branch,
Speaker 2: and on the other side it looked like his fingers
Speaker 2: almost touched. And when I went up there, that tree
Speaker 2: branch was you know, four or five inches stick. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe six inches. I thought I was six with probably
Speaker 2: four or five inches stick. And as I'm sitting there,
Speaker 2: I'm holding the handle of the little walking stick that
Speaker 2: I got, and it's kind of like a bicycle grip size,
Speaker 2: you know, And I'm holding onto that in my hand,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at it like me and my fingers
Speaker 2: wrapped around my thumb, touch my you know, index finger
Speaker 2: and my thumbs barely touching there, hold on that bike
Speaker 2: grip thing. And I'm looking at that thing, and I
Speaker 2: was thinking, how big is a hand have to be
Speaker 2: to go around that big old piece of tree and
Speaker 2: touch the fingers? You know? Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Did you notice I don't know if you got
Speaker 1: the chance to count, but how many fingers it had
Speaker 1: on each hand?
Speaker 2: I looked it just looked like a normal human hand,
Speaker 2: kind of like it did look like it had a
Speaker 2: thumb and five, you know, four fingers. You know. I
Speaker 2: didn't see any look like extra or less that I
Speaker 2: could tellence look like kind of like a human.
Speaker 1: Hand, got it. You mentioned there was a time when
Speaker 1: you were actually having prolonged eye contact as you both
Speaker 1: were walking. Did you so I would imagine that you're
Speaker 1: able to you were able to look into the eyes.
Speaker 1: Do you remember were there any whites to the eyes
Speaker 1: at all or was it maybe all dark?
Speaker 2: No, it was like really yellow. Kind of remind me
Speaker 2: of we had a neighbor for a while that was
Speaker 2: a really bad alcoholic and you had all kinds of
Speaker 2: kidney failure and he was constantly like going in for
Speaker 2: a dialysis and you know, filter in his blood off
Speaker 2: machines and all that. But I don't know what they
Speaker 2: it was, what it was called, but he had something
Speaker 2: that when your kidneys go bad, stops filtering. But uh,
Speaker 2: your eyes go all yellow and kind of red like
Speaker 2: bloodshot looking right or was it not jaundice or I
Speaker 2: can't remember what it was called. Uh, but it looked
Speaker 2: like my neighbor that was like the bad alcoholic, just
Speaker 2: really yellow eyes, and the pupils were just like solid
Speaker 2: like dark brown or black, just really yellow and just
Speaker 2: looking like sick, like you know. I didn't see no
Speaker 2: bright white at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, were but it definitely had a pupil, yes, Okay.
Speaker 1: Did the head have a shape to it at all?
Speaker 2: It looked just like Andre the Giant from wrestling from
Speaker 2: back in the eighties as far as like the way
Speaker 2: his forehead came down and like his eyebrow line how
Speaker 2: it kind of came out, and like the kind of
Speaker 2: wier nose on his face and everything like really similar
Speaker 2: to like Andrea the Giant.
Speaker 1: So definitely from what I'm hearing, I'm hearing not like
Speaker 1: a conical shape head, just like a big old head.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Interesting, what kind of neck did this I have?
Speaker 2: It was really short. It was like almost like the
Speaker 2: head was just like right on the collarbone, like there
Speaker 2: wasn't I didn't really see too much of a neck
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: Did you notice any details about the forehead or the
Speaker 1: the area above the eyes when you were looking at it, Just.
Speaker 2: How the forehead kind of came down and then where
Speaker 2: the eyebrows were be it looked like, you know, like
Speaker 2: the bones like around the eye socket were like kind
Speaker 2: of like overemphasized, like you know, they were really large,
Speaker 2: like behind where your eyebrows would be like if almost
Speaker 2: there was like a finger like under the skin. You know,
Speaker 2: they were like, you know, not like a roll of pennies,
Speaker 2: but it was like, you know, just something way larger
Speaker 2: under the eyebrows that made that part of the lower
Speaker 2: part of the forehead stick out so far.
Speaker 1: It sounds like definitely a pronounced brow ridge, kind of
Speaker 1: like when you see those old movies with Neanderthals and
Speaker 1: you just got that really large bone structure right above
Speaker 1: the eyes where just kind of a roll of pennies
Speaker 1: is a good way to say it. Did you notice
Speaker 1: anything out of the ordinary about the nose?
Speaker 2: Just that it was wide, That was about it. And
Speaker 2: there was no hair on the nose at all. I
Speaker 2: didn't see any hair on there or no hair coming
Speaker 2: out from the nose either, And there was like no
Speaker 2: like mustache. Really. All the hair was from like the
Speaker 2: lower lip downward and kind of high up on the cheeks,
Speaker 2: but there was nothing on the nose or the upper
Speaker 2: lip as far as hair was.
Speaker 1: The nose smushed like it'd been smushed against the face.
Speaker 2: I remember it being really broad and wide, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't really sticking out far for as white as it was.
Speaker 2: You think it'd be like, you know, kind of proportionate
Speaker 2: like with the length, but it wasn't really sticking out
Speaker 2: that far compared to how white it was.
Speaker 1: Had nostrils like hooded, Yeah, yeah, gotcha. Anything out of
Speaker 1: the ordinary with the mouth, was it was it wide?
Speaker 1: Anything you noticed it wasn't too overweight.
Speaker 2: But I kept remembering trying to look to see if
Speaker 2: I could see teeth, and then especially when it yelled,
Speaker 2: it opened its mouth, but I didn't see teeth. I
Speaker 2: was trying to see if it had like animal teeth
Speaker 2: or like human teeth, but I just never saw teeth.
Speaker 2: I remember I kept looking trying to see if I
Speaker 2: could see teeth, but I just never saw teeth.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, So there was never a like bearing teeth
Speaker 1: at you or anything like that.
Speaker 2: No, No, the only the whole time it was just
Speaker 2: like I don't know if I like being watched, like
Speaker 2: if he was watching me, like you know I had
Speaker 2: like a security guard following me, or if he was
Speaker 2: just watching me to make sure I wasn't like a threat,
Speaker 2: you know, just like he was doing security you know,
Speaker 2: like he's the one like, hey, you need I see you,
Speaker 2: like you better stay back, you know. But I never
Speaker 2: during that whole incident, I never felt any threat. And
Speaker 2: even when he yelled when he hit his head, I
Speaker 2: didn't get scared, like he was.
Speaker 1: Yelling at me big for society will be right back.
Speaker 1: After these messages, I.
Speaker 2: Could tell that obviously he was just he yelled at
Speaker 2: the tree like he was at the tree like stud
Speaker 2: your dough. You know. It's just like an outburst, you know,
Speaker 2: from pain exactly, you know. But it wasn't directed. It
Speaker 2: wasn't he wasn't looking downward towards me when he yelled
Speaker 2: or anything. It was directed towards me at all. So
Speaker 2: I never got that fear of, oh, you know, he's
Speaker 2: coming for me, you know anything like that.
Speaker 1: Sure, different creatures have different ways of walking, right, every
Speaker 1: everything has its gait, its way of walking. Did you
Speaker 1: notice anything about the way that the Andre creature was
Speaker 1: walking that You're like, man, that is really unique. There's
Speaker 1: something different about the way that it's moving.
Speaker 2: I just noticed that when it it started to walk.
Speaker 2: After like I was just looking around and I first
Speaker 2: spotted it when it first started to pace me. When
Speaker 2: I when I was like what and I started to
Speaker 2: walk and I was staring at it. Then when it
Speaker 2: first started to walk, it was limping, like if it
Speaker 2: was favoring one leg over the other, like a lot,
Speaker 2: like if one leg had an injury or something. You know,
Speaker 2: like if you like you got a cast on one foot,
Speaker 2: you know, with the one was walking boots or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you're just like walk in anyways. But you know
Speaker 2: one's not working, right.
Speaker 1: I gotcha, I gotcha. Uh did it have good posture
Speaker 1: at all? Or was it you know, no.
Speaker 2: It was kind of kind of slunched over a bit,
Speaker 2: you know, wasn't It wasn't really like humped back, you know,
Speaker 2: like not tre dome, you know, but it looked like
Speaker 2: it was the whole time. It was slunched a bit forward.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's really interesting. So Artura, this is this
Speaker 1: is such an interesting one, and I almost have to ask, like,
Speaker 1: do you think you were looking at a bigfoot or
Speaker 1: a sasquatch or do you think you were looking at
Speaker 1: something else?
Speaker 2: Uh? The whole thing of bigfoot and sasquatch never really
Speaker 2: came to my mind until I started doing research. But
Speaker 2: what I thought, really, I thought I saw a caveman
Speaker 2: or like a giant, right because thinking to Andre the giant.
Speaker 2: So I started doing a lot of research on giants,
Speaker 2: you know, and I got found out about giganticism and
Speaker 2: things like that, and I thought it was maybe that
Speaker 2: for a little bit, But then a lot of the
Speaker 2: research I was looking at that most people with giganticism
Speaker 2: don't live that long because they're you know, pituitary glands
Speaker 2: whatever their body is like overgrowing so quick that they
Speaker 2: most people die like in their twenties or thirties, you know,
Speaker 2: and this thing was really old man's status, you know,
Speaker 2: like there was you know, a normal human had there
Speaker 2: been eighties or nineties, you know, maybe pushing a hundred.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, there's no way this could be a
Speaker 2: person with gigantism because they die so young, you know,
Speaker 2: because they're the way their body overgrows and they just
Speaker 2: can't handle it and their heart gives out. So I
Speaker 2: was looking at that, and then I started getting these
Speaker 2: stories about the giants that were found on Catalina Island
Speaker 2: and some of New Mexico in a cave that the
Speaker 2: natives had battling for a while. And that kind of
Speaker 2: caught my interest because they said that those the you know,
Speaker 2: tribe of giant people that the locals had been fighting,
Speaker 2: had red hair, big red beards and long red hair,
Speaker 2: and what I saw had kind of that reddish chocolate hair.
Speaker 2: So that so I started, you know, I started going
Speaker 2: down that path, you know, trying to find out about
Speaker 2: you know, these giants that had been supposedly you know
Speaker 2: fighting the natives, and they cornered him in his cave,
Speaker 2: and instead of losing anybody else, they built a big
Speaker 2: giant fire in front of the cave to smoke him
Speaker 2: out and you know, just kill them by you know,
Speaker 2: carbon monoxide poisoning or whatever. And so that kind of
Speaker 2: led me down that path for a while. And then
Speaker 2: and then from that it started turning towards cryptids, you know,
Speaker 2: doing research kind of. And then Bigfoot came up quite
Speaker 2: a bit of times, but I never really just put
Speaker 2: my figure on it, say oh I saw the Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: because in my mind, it's just, you know, was always
Speaker 2: a caveman.
Speaker 1: You know, it's extremely interesting. Did you ever look to
Speaker 1: see if there had been other sightings in that same
Speaker 1: area of things that are the ordinary like what you saw?
Speaker 2: Well, well, let me get to the second part of
Speaker 2: the Southern California thing. Oh.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, after that.
Speaker 2: After that incident, I'm gonna say probably I was almost
Speaker 2: like exactly about fourteen years ago to the day, almost
Speaker 2: my birthdays. We'll just say my birthday is this week,
Speaker 2: and it was the same week of my birthday in
Speaker 2: twenty ten, and I had made it out to my
Speaker 2: bushcraft shelters hang out overnight. And I was actually like
Speaker 2: in the middle of a breakup with the girlfriend and
Speaker 2: all that. I was like, you know, I'm just going
Speaker 2: to disappear for a while. I'm gonna go out in
Speaker 2: the woods, you know, unwine relaxed. So I got me
Speaker 2: a bottle of Jack Daniels and got me some mrs.
Speaker 2: For a couple of days, there's a freeze drive food.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I'm gonna go hang out the creek.
Speaker 2: And I was out there in southern California has a
Speaker 2: lot of wildfires, you know, it's the same with Oregon
Speaker 2: where I'm at currently. But there was night that I
Speaker 2: was sitting there sleeping. I had just finished you know,
Speaker 2: hanging out, chilling and drinking, and I had a little
Speaker 2: portable bluetooth speaker with the MP three player that you know,
Speaker 2: you download the music whatever, and I listened to that
Speaker 2: and my battery died on the MP three player. So
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I guess that's a wrap. You know,
Speaker 2: it's it's time to go to bed. So I had
Speaker 2: laid down in the little raised bed I'd built in
Speaker 2: my shelter, and I had a small fire going in
Speaker 2: my shelter, but like in the cave entrance part to
Speaker 2: where you know, like I was saying, the smoke would
Speaker 2: pull away and all that, I just get a little
Speaker 2: little radiant heat, little light. But it was like a
Speaker 2: really hot night, so I wasn't really had a big
Speaker 2: fire going, so I could smell the smoke from my fire,
Speaker 2: but not really too bad. And I'd been laying down
Speaker 2: for about a half hours, almost asleep, and then I
Speaker 2: heard like a thump the side of my shelter. I
Speaker 2: was like, what was that? Is like if a bird
Speaker 2: flew into the side or something. And I was thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of owls around there, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot of bats from the caves around there, and I
Speaker 2: was like, way, be a howl or bird or something
Speaker 2: flew into the shelter. About a minute goes by, I
Speaker 2: heard another one, another one. Then it starts getting louder,
Speaker 2: and it's like a more faster, just like a rapid
Speaker 2: pace of things hitting the side of my shelter. I
Speaker 2: guess to the point where I could hear the things
Speaker 2: hitting my shelter and then kind of rolling the way
Speaker 2: down the slope. So I was like, so we're throwing
Speaker 2: rocks at my you know, at my spot. I was like,
Speaker 2: what the And by then I had already stopped carrying
Speaker 2: my Ruger ten twenty two and started carrying my glock
Speaker 2: to forty five APC with some heavy hard cast bullets,
Speaker 2: some buffalo boards, you know, plus beefs, you know, some
Speaker 2: bear stopping rounds, because they had only been a lot
Speaker 2: of spottings of mountain lions in the area and a
Speaker 2: couple mountain biers that had been attacked on the Orange
Speaker 2: County side of the mountain. So I had my pistol.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'm gonna go outside, maybe
Speaker 2: just pop around off on the dirt, chase the people off,
Speaker 2: and then go to sleep. And then there became an
Speaker 2: urgency to it. Right as I'm like trying to debate
Speaker 2: whether or not to go out of the shelter and
Speaker 2: you know, maybe yell, scream a little bit or whatever,
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, well, something's got to be done.
Speaker 2: So right as I'm like putting my headlamp on and
Speaker 2: turning the light on on my firearm, I go to
Speaker 2: stand up in the shelter and there's a pause for
Speaker 2: a minute and then it rock hits my shelter. That
Speaker 2: was so big it broke the wall down on the
Speaker 2: entry like could be the I don't know, the southwest
Speaker 2: corner of my structure, but the very outside corner there's
Speaker 2: a couple pieces of timber that came out further right.
Speaker 2: Things off on the outside, you know, hanging Europe or
Speaker 2: swimming in the creek, you know, hang up the shorts
Speaker 2: up pair to dry off or whatever. But a rock
Speaker 2: had got thrown out the shelter that was so big,
Speaker 2: so hard that it ripped that whole wall and my
Speaker 2: shelter open. So all of a sudden, I'm standing there
Speaker 2: and the whole left wall my shelter just gets ripped open,
Speaker 2: leans over and as the boards are like still attached
Speaker 2: together because I had used a pair of cord five
Speaker 2: fifty cord to lasso the walls together, but it hit
Speaker 2: hard enough or it ripped out all the pair of
Speaker 2: cord up and down the steam. The wall stayed intact,
Speaker 2: and it just ripped the wall open, like two feet
Speaker 2: three feet open. That's when I was like, what could
Speaker 2: possibly do that? Like you had to hit it with
Speaker 2: the truck or something. So I go swing the do
Speaker 2: open to go out of the shelter, and I looked
Speaker 2: to that side because that's where the wall came off.
Speaker 2: It was pitch black, nothing, and then I realized that
Speaker 2: there's a lot of smoke everywhere. I look back to
Speaker 2: the right that's going down the valley wards where the
Speaker 2: road is where I hike in, and I noticed that
Speaker 2: the whole hillside is on fire, all the way up
Speaker 2: the valley, all the way up the creek, where my
Speaker 2: whole path where I go to get in there is
Speaker 2: completely on fire. Then fire's coming up the hill. You know,
Speaker 2: it comes uphill a lot quicker than down here, but
Speaker 2: the fire's coming uphill towards me. So I freak out,
Speaker 2: get in my shelter. I throw on my this Alice
Speaker 2: pack I'd gotten from a buddy. Then Military is my
Speaker 2: favorite pack. But anyways, I throw my Alice pack on
Speaker 2: go out of the shelter. I'm looking around, looking around,
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what's going on. That's when I
Speaker 2: see this massive rock on the floor that's like over
Speaker 2: a foot maybe foot and a half a diameter, laying
Speaker 2: right outside on the side of the wall the shelter.
Speaker 2: And I was like, that rock is what broke the wall.
Speaker 2: And then I started thinking what could have thrown that rock.
Speaker 2: You know how that rock could have fallen off the hill,
Speaker 2: would have came down and hit the roof of my shelter.
Speaker 2: You know, it's all thrown from an angle from like
Speaker 2: from the creek. I'm looking at this big rock. I
Speaker 2: freak out. I see the fire getting closer. I'm just
Speaker 2: like screw this. Started going up the valley, up the
Speaker 2: hill towards where the dried out waterfalls were, and they
Speaker 2: had a rope that was tied to the side, and
Speaker 2: sometimes in the waters high the kids will go up
Speaker 2: there and swing off the rope and jump into the creek.
Speaker 2: But I knew if I got to where that rope was,
Speaker 2: I could pull myself up the dry waterfall and I'd
Speaker 2: beat to an area that was only grass and dirt,
Speaker 2: and there was no trees or shrubs, you know, nothing
Speaker 2: made her to catch fire. So I made my way
Speaker 2: over there, and I got over there, and I was
Speaker 2: having a lot of difficulty firing that rope. I was
Speaker 2: looking in a panic stake. You know, I'm already out
Speaker 2: of breath. You know. I just hooked it like a
Speaker 2: good you know, quarter mile, half a mile as quick
Speaker 2: as I could to get to that waterfall as the
Speaker 2: fire fall of me. Then I started noticing the hillsides
Speaker 2: around me. I could see some light from the fire trucks,
Speaker 2: and I didn't see a water dropping helicopter, but usually
Speaker 2: they wouldn't drop water at night. Usually the only fly
Speaker 2: in the daytime. So I'm like looking around, looking around.
Speaker 2: I finally find the rope, get up that little waterfall.
Speaker 2: I get to a dry flat spot and then I
Speaker 2: just sit down in the dirt and I'm watching the
Speaker 2: fire go up through the up through the little valley
Speaker 2: and then exactly where that band was when my shelter was.
Speaker 2: That whole thing just burst into flames ript roaring, and
Speaker 2: I'm sitting up there on the dirt looking watching my
Speaker 2: whole shelters burn to the ground. And then I was
Speaker 2: kind of just like shocked at all, man. I just
Speaker 2: all that work I've been putting into for you know,
Speaker 2: six seven months building that shelter, It's just burnt to nothing.
Speaker 2: And then I started thinking about, well, what through that rock.
Speaker 2: And then right as I'm thinking that, my dog does
Speaker 2: this thing where he just kind of starts flipping out,
Speaker 2: like you hears something. My dog goes taking off running again.
Speaker 2: I was like dude, get back here, get back here,
Speaker 2: and he goes taking off, running kind of towards the fire.
Speaker 2: And then I was thinking that was Andre. That had
Speaker 2: to have been Andre. That was, you know, throwing those
Speaker 2: little rocks at my shelter, trying to like warn me,
Speaker 2: and I was just ignoring it. So that's when it
Speaker 2: just threw that massive rock and just busted the whole
Speaker 2: wall down to tell me, like, hey, get out of there,
Speaker 2: you know, you gotta go. And then that's when I
Speaker 2: was like, that thing just saved me. A thing just
Speaker 2: saved my life, you know. Then I came over this
Speaker 2: like overwhelming like emotional feelings where like I almost busted
Speaker 2: down in tears, almost crying. I'm just sitting there and
Speaker 2: I just sat there on that ridge all night till
Speaker 2: the sun came up, watching the watching everything burned down.
Speaker 2: And that morning, once the sun was up real good,
Speaker 2: I was able to find a nice path to hike out,
Speaker 2: and hiked out and left and I've never been there since,
Speaker 2: and it's been almost about fourteen years since the day.
Speaker 1: That is incredible. I mean, it honestly sounds like Andre
Speaker 1: wanted you saved.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't if anything else that would have. You know,
Speaker 2: I was capable of doing that, you know, or would
Speaker 2: have done that, you know, just the physical ability of
Speaker 2: lifting the rock that large and throwing it so hard
Speaker 2: that it busted a whole wall off my shelter. You know,
Speaker 2: I built that thing well, you know.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Is there a reason that you haven't been back
Speaker 1: in fourteen years or it just just hasn't happened.
Speaker 2: Well, after everything burned down, I was so confused about
Speaker 2: what Andre was and all that, you know, And I,
Speaker 2: like I said, never felt threatened by him. But I
Speaker 2: was like, well, if there's one, there might be more,
Speaker 2: And what if the other ones aren't looking out for me?
Speaker 2: You know, this was able to do so much stuff
Speaker 2: to help save me, protect my life. You know, how
Speaker 2: quick could one of those take my life? You know,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, my forty five didn't seem like
Speaker 2: it was going to do anything, you know, so I
Speaker 2: just got real cautious and I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I got to figure out what's out there, you know,
Speaker 2: And I started getting close to there, like, and I
Speaker 2: had a neighbor that worked in those orchards over there
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the hill, and we were talking
Speaker 2: about the fire. One day and he was an older bicycay,
Speaker 2: older Mexican guy. I'm half Mexican, and we were talking
Speaker 2: in Spanish and then he was telling me. He was like,
Speaker 2: oh and I saw him like, oh, I had a little,
Speaker 2: you know, a little cabin there and all that. And
Speaker 2: then he said, oh, we'll be careful when you're out there.
Speaker 2: And I said, well why and then he's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: he said, you know, and that's when he said, he said, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, the the mountain people were there and all that, Like,
Speaker 2: were you talking about? You know, I didn't acknowledge anything
Speaker 2: of you know, what I saw Andre, And then he
Speaker 2: just said, oh, there's there's just some big scary people there,
Speaker 2: so we just we avoid that area. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just be careful when you're out there. You know. That's
Speaker 2: the only reference that I heard from anybody of you know,
Speaker 2: anything being in that area.
Speaker 1: Wow, it sounds like sounds like you knew something was
Speaker 1: going on for sure. That is really interesting. I think
Speaker 1: this interview might open up so I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: to think about our turo. This is a really really
Speaker 1: interesting one to be interesting to see what the comments
Speaker 1: are like on this one.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: Man, I've never heard it described like that before. Just
Speaker 1: the way it looks. It's really weird. Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 2: No problem.
Speaker 1: The one that we were talking about before a few
Speaker 1: hours ago. That Yeah, that one is incredibly I want
Speaker 1: to hear the whole story of this one coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Well fast forward to this Actually happened
Speaker 2: like at the beginning of the whole Rona deal and
Speaker 2: all that, you know, during lockdowns and all that. But
Speaker 2: prior to that, I had been working for a sanitation
Speaker 2: company doing porta potties and pumping out RVs and holding
Speaker 2: tanks and things like that for one of the larger
Speaker 2: companies in southern Oregon. But I had a pretty thorough
Speaker 2: background and off roading and things like that. And the
Speaker 2: boss found out that, you know, I had a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, skills with the equipment in you know,
Speaker 2: deep woods, sand trained, desert, snow mud, you know, the
Speaker 2: red clay, all kinds of stuff. And I was one
Speaker 2: of the newer guys and they had sent me on
Speaker 2: a call to where a lot of people had gotten
Speaker 2: stuck in the trucks because those trucks are pretty heavy,
Speaker 2: you know, most of them. We have about a thousand
Speaker 2: gallon holding tank and maybe four hundred gallon freshwater tank
Speaker 2: for cleaning the units out and refilling the water and
Speaker 2: all that. But they're pretty heavy. Most of them are
Speaker 2: only tool driving fibers get stuck everywhere. And the boss
Speaker 2: was just tired and paying toe bills to recover all
Speaker 2: these trucks. And then he said, hey, one of the
Speaker 2: guys said that, you know, you know your you know
Speaker 2: your way around off road and all that, and I
Speaker 2: said yeah, and he said, hey, we got a bunch
Speaker 2: of units toilets. This guy had that paid his bill
Speaker 2: in months, and we sent a couple of people out
Speaker 2: there to pick them up. But everybody gets stuck trying
Speaker 2: to get out there. You know, you think you could
Speaker 2: do it. So I went out there and lower tire pressure,
Speaker 2: used low gears and everything, and with the two wheel
Speaker 2: drive three fifty, I got out there, got the units,
Speaker 2: bought them back, and then from that day on, after
Speaker 2: that first week of working, they're like all the rural
Speaker 2: mountain routes and all the four off locations, those became
Speaker 2: my routes. There was this valley in southern Oregon where
Speaker 2: quite a bit of grow sites and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of gold mines. You know a lot of claims out there,
Speaker 2: but it was all off four service roads and little
Speaker 2: plots of private property, but most of it was in
Speaker 2: the you know US Forestry Service and things like that,
Speaker 2: or off the edges of you know, state parks and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I ended up getting this route going out to
Speaker 2: these locations where basically you go to these locations, the
Speaker 2: directions would be, you know, three quarters a mile down
Speaker 2: this road and you see fork in the road, you know,
Speaker 2: look for the tree maker right, you know, go down
Speaker 2: to the you know, abandoned double wide, make a left.
Speaker 2: You know, they're all no addresses or anything like that.
Speaker 2: And I got real good at navigating out there, and
Speaker 2: over a point of about four and a half five
Speaker 2: year period of going out to these real rural sites
Speaker 2: where whether they're gold mining or growing, security is like
Speaker 2: of the utmost thing. Like everybody there's real, you know,
Speaker 2: real unfriendly to newcomers and outsiders and all that. And
Speaker 2: you know, people will start driving up the hill and
Speaker 2: a lot of the people they'd get on their CB
Speaker 2: radios start talking like, hey, there's you know, a white
Speaker 2: truck coming up the hill. You know, anybody expected visitors
Speaker 2: or we see a new vehicle or you know there's
Speaker 2: a sheriff on the highway or whatever it was. Everybody
Speaker 2: kind of watched out for each other because they all
Speaker 2: had their things going on, you know, legal or unlegal,
Speaker 2: but everybody was real hushed about it. But uh, no
Speaker 2: matter how tight security is, you know, everybody loves the guy.
Speaker 2: You know. That's one thing you need. You know, all
Speaker 2: those growth sites, gold mines, they all have porta potties
Speaker 2: or RVs that need to be pumped out, you know,
Speaker 2: so like you go up the mountain to service them.
Speaker 2: You know, some would be on a weekly basis and
Speaker 2: would be once a month, you know, depending on what
Speaker 2: was going on. But you know, being being the porta
Speaker 2: partty guy, you get access to a lot of spots
Speaker 2: where nobody's allowed it. You know. I became pretty close
Speaker 2: friends with a lot of these old timers up there,
Speaker 2: and one of them, uh we'll just say, uh, there
Speaker 2: are a lot of old like Vietnam vets and things
Speaker 2: like that, majority of them and a couple of Moon
Speaker 2: sinners up there. But uh, there's one gentleman in particular
Speaker 2: that when I used to go start services site, he
Speaker 2: had a old camper trailer that hadn't been from like
Speaker 2: the seventies or eighties falling apart, just you know, the
Speaker 2: whole roof was like three tarps, you know, glued on
Speaker 2: duck dape. He had this old Dodge pick up and uh,
Speaker 2: just really run down camp. But I'd go out there
Speaker 2: and he had a porta party that I would service,
Speaker 2: and then he also had his harve that i'd pump out,
Speaker 2: and when the winter had come, we'd get good enough
Speaker 2: snow and all that that that even the customers up
Speaker 2: there would have trouble getting out, so they kind of
Speaker 2: stock upon supplies for you know, a month and a half,
Speaker 2: two month periods sometimes where they couldn't get out either.
Speaker 2: And but basically the way to get service did either
Speaker 2: be on a set schedule or they'd call for service,
Speaker 2: and sometimes they wouldn't be able to you know, call
Speaker 2: for service. Whatever would be in the area, and if
Speaker 2: it was kind of customer we were used to going to,
Speaker 2: the boss would be like, oh, we'll swing by a
Speaker 2: X location see if they need service, you know, while
Speaker 2: I'm up there, you know. And at one point winter
Speaker 2: had started passing, and I came back up at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the next spring, and I noticed that that
Speaker 2: the whole guy. We'll just stay Whiskey Pete whatever, because
Speaker 2: he did his own shine, moonshine and all that stuff too.
Speaker 2: But Whiskey Pete. I go up to Whiskey Pete and
Speaker 2: he doesn't have this beat up old Dodge ram anymore
Speaker 2: in his nineteen seventies trailer. All of a sudden, he's
Speaker 2: got a brand new four F five fifty super duty
Speaker 2: four by four. His old beat up John Deere tractor
Speaker 2: he has. Now he's got brand new skid steer, like
Speaker 2: a forty foot big text trailer with a brand new
Speaker 2: Kbota tractor sitting on there, and really nice fifth wheel trailer,
Speaker 2: all brand like, all equipment, everything on the whole site
Speaker 2: was all brand new everything. And I'm like, hey, what's
Speaker 2: going on? Bro? I was like, I thought I was
Speaker 2: at the wrong spot, and I started talking to him
Speaker 2: and then he just told me, He's like, yeah, things
Speaker 2: have been crazy around here, you know, that's why, so
Speaker 2: why I came to meet you at the bottom. I
Speaker 2: was just sure who was coming up and their whole
Speaker 2: normal paranoid thing, and that's when I was kind of confusing.
Speaker 2: He came down with that brand new F five fifty.
Speaker 2: So I ended up going up there go to pump
Speaker 2: out his new trailer and all I'm looking around, like, dude,
Speaker 2: how did you get all this stuff? And then he
Speaker 2: told me he's just like, hey man, and a lot
Speaker 2: of the guys want to talk to each other a
Speaker 2: lot of things, but like everybody saw me as an outsiders,
Speaker 2: like you know, the safe guy, you know, the porta
Speaker 2: potty guy, so they confided me a lot of things.
Speaker 2: And he just tells me, he's like, hey man, I
Speaker 2: hit a vein. I said, what does that mean. He's like, dude,
Speaker 2: I found some gold. I was like, you say that
Speaker 2: every week when I'm up here, you know. And he's like, no,
Speaker 2: I found gold. I s how I bought all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And he's telling me that, yeah, I've already sent a
Speaker 2: lot of money to my family. And he's like, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I hit a vein. And I'm like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: cool man, congrats and all that stuff. And I was like,
Speaker 2: that was just a lot of equipment, you know, just
Speaker 2: that f I fifty. I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars truck, you know. And he was
Speaker 2: telling me, he's like, everything's paid in full. That's when
Speaker 2: I was like, man, man, he really did get lucky.
Speaker 2: And then when I really started like setting in and
Speaker 2: I'm like all right, well, you know it's gonna be
Speaker 2: a while before I see him again, I'm like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I dropped off a holding tank fir him.
Speaker 2: It's a large, like one hundred and fifty gallon tank
Speaker 2: you just put on the floor and run your RV
Speaker 2: to it for a little extra you know, storage to
Speaker 2: last through the snow. And then I was getting ready
Speaker 2: to leave and then the guy gave me a three
Speaker 2: hundred dollars tip, right, and I'm like sweet man, and
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, you know, get something for the kids
Speaker 2: for Christmas. I'm like cool, man. I had a lot
Speaker 2: of customers who would dipped me twenty bucks here and there,
Speaker 2: or you know, hey, we're barbecuing, you know, you want
Speaker 2: some ribs or something like that. But I'd never really
Speaker 2: gotten any large tips before, so I was like, all right, cool.
Speaker 2: I pocketed it and anything, and I took off, went
Speaker 2: on route, started talking to other people. And as soon
Speaker 2: as I started going to the other pro sites and
Speaker 2: too the other you know, mining claims, everybody started drilling
Speaker 2: me questions right away, like hey, what did you see
Speaker 2: up there? What's going on? But I'm like, no, I
Speaker 2: went up there service for them. They're like, hey, did
Speaker 2: you see where you know? Where's the new tractor? Where's
Speaker 2: the people were asking all these questions like what's going on, dude,
Speaker 2: like for reals, and they said, oh, well, we know
Speaker 2: he found gold, but he's he's basically closed off the camp.
Speaker 2: Nobody's come up here with the camp for a while.
Speaker 2: He doesn't let anybody in anymore, like or like you're
Speaker 2: the first person who's been up there in the months.
Speaker 2: He doesn't let anybody in there anymore, and he barely
Speaker 2: gets on the radio to communicate anymore. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh no, I'm like I don't know. He's doing his
Speaker 2: thing or Whateverybody didn't really want to talk about it,
Speaker 2: and uh, I just finished the route whatever. Winter I
Speaker 2: end up wrapping up. I am not going up there
Speaker 2: for like about two months or so. I went back
Speaker 2: up there, and the gentleman, the same whisky Pete, came
Speaker 2: at me with the offer and he said, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I've been people who have been trying to rob me.
Speaker 2: You know. He's like, I can't even go down the
Speaker 2: mountain now without people stopping me, trying to rob me.
Speaker 2: And then I noticed that he had a AK forty
Speaker 2: seven pistol at draco just slung over her side and
Speaker 2: he just had it on him. And before that I'd
Speaker 2: see him carry a revolver once in a while, you know.
Speaker 2: But he was like really getting scared, you know. He
Speaker 2: was like really high up in intensity. And he told me, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like I've been doing real good. And he said, hey,
Speaker 2: I need you to talk to your boss about something.
Speaker 2: He's like, you're the only person who can get up
Speaker 2: and down this mountain without question. And he's like, hey man,
Speaker 2: And he showed me this big concrete slab with it
Speaker 2: just looked kind of like a sludge and whatever shit
Speaker 2: on there, with some water on it. And he told me,
Speaker 2: he's like, hey, do you think your truck could pump
Speaker 2: this stuff up? I said, yeah, it's just you know,
Speaker 2: this is no big rock, so you know clogged the
Speaker 2: clogged the pump up or the valve. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it sucked that into the tank. I was like, is
Speaker 2: that suwage or what? He said, No, it's uh, you know,
Speaker 2: he's like, it's tailings whatever, it's crushed. He said, there's
Speaker 2: golden here. So there's golden there. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not hasn't been cleaned out yet, but there's a
Speaker 2: lot of golden here. And the guy was trying to
Speaker 2: convince me to ask my boss if I could take
Speaker 2: a load up there, just pump out this big slab
Speaker 2: with the sludge and water on it, and then take
Speaker 2: it to a you know, undisclosed location. They said, they's
Speaker 2: gonna be probably about one hundred miles away, and then
Speaker 2: just dump out the whole holding tank. He said, yeah,
Speaker 2: come up here, empty, you know, close the takeout, clean
Speaker 2: it out, come up here. Just suck this whole ground up.
Speaker 2: Take it to the place. And he's I'll tell your boss,
Speaker 2: I'll give him five thousand bucks. I'll give you five
Speaker 2: thousand bucks. You know, it's one hundred mile drive. And
Speaker 2: I was like, that's good money, you know, sucking up
Speaker 2: this and I was like, this is really I'm staring
Speaker 2: at it. I don't see any gold in there, but
Speaker 2: he's telling me there's a lot of gold in there.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, yeah, I'll talk to my boss about it.
Speaker 2: Talk to my boss about He said, no way, we're
Speaker 2: not doing nothing with it, forget about it. I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, cool, conversation done. I went back to the
Speaker 2: next week, told him, hey, I can't do nothing. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe call a different septic company and maybe can talk
Speaker 2: somebody else into it, but Boston can let me use equipment.
Speaker 2: He's like, all right, So that passes in. I'm really
Speaker 2: really like, man, this guy's really got a lot of
Speaker 2: gold going on. If he's trying to have it pumped
Speaker 2: into a sewage truck to transport it down the mountain
Speaker 2: without anybody knowing that, he's bringing gold out of his sight.
Speaker 2: So then I'm like, this is getting crazy with this guy.
Speaker 2: That's gold, right, He's got a lot of gold. You know.
Speaker 2: Me and myself, I went paying once or twice in
Speaker 2: the creek. I never even found a spectacle, not a flight, nothing,
Speaker 2: you know. So I'm like, all right, whatever. A little
Speaker 2: while goes on later and I'm maybe two three months passed.
Speaker 2: He doesn't call. He's a call for servers, AND's a
Speaker 2: call for servers, and there's my boss is like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, why don't you go up there? Take a look.
Speaker 2: I go to go up there. The whole entry gate
Speaker 2: is like barricaded, off. He's got a bunch of big
Speaker 2: boulders in the front, and then his track parked behind
Speaker 2: the boulders. Like, there's no way I'm getting up there.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, skip it, mark it off
Speaker 2: as a you know, lockate, no service, go leave. Winter
Speaker 2: comes around again, so now it's about a year since
Speaker 2: he's you know, hit a vein as he put it
Speaker 2: or whatever, and the boss says, hey, you need to
Speaker 2: go up there. We haven't services guy for a while.
Speaker 2: So I get up there. I go to service him,
Speaker 2: and the gates open, those bowlers are moved, and the
Speaker 2: tractor's just like off to the side, almost like in
Speaker 2: the ditch, like half in the ditch. I drive up there,
Speaker 2: look around. His whole camp is just tossed up. There's
Speaker 2: just equipment laid over all. His shipping containers are open,
Speaker 2: wide open, things thrown on the floor everything. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what's going on. I'm like, well, obviously, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm hitting the horn. He doesn't come out, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, something wrong here. I'm leaving. I turn around,
Speaker 2: I leave, I go to the next spot, and we'll
Speaker 2: just call this guy the preacher, right, So I go
Speaker 2: to the preacher's mining claim. Very religious man, and so
Speaker 2: is a whiskey Pete and I go over there, and
Speaker 2: I've never seen this guy take a sit for alcohol
Speaker 2: or smoke or anything the pastors. I go over the pastors.
Speaker 2: He's sitting on his front porch. This guy smashed. He
Speaker 2: just hammered, just like plastered, drunk, like what's going on?
Speaker 2: And you know, and he's just crying. He starts crying.
Speaker 2: He's like bawling crying. And he starts confiding in me
Speaker 2: that he feels so bad and he doesn't know if
Speaker 2: he's gonna get into heaven now because is what he's
Speaker 2: done and all this what's going on. And then he
Speaker 2: starts telling me that they lost communication with Pete for
Speaker 2: a while over the radio with everybody on the mountain,
Speaker 2: and they noticed that he wasn't coming out no more
Speaker 2: at all. So a couple of guys that were good
Speaker 2: friends of his decided to go up there. And they
Speaker 2: went up there and they found him dead in his
Speaker 2: fifth little trailer, laying in the bed dead, just like
Speaker 2: he had already been dead for like a week or
Speaker 2: two when they found him. You know, the whole trailer
Speaker 2: was already smelling like, you know, dead flesh. The body
Speaker 2: was like real bloated and all that, and they go
Speaker 2: outside and they're like, oh, well, we need to call
Speaker 2: the cops. You know, we need to you know, notify
Speaker 2: the family or call you know, paramics or somebody to
Speaker 2: come up, you know, come get his body and this
Speaker 2: and that. And one of the guys mentioned like, hey,
Speaker 2: well should we look around first, And the other guy said,
Speaker 2: what do you mean, Like, well, he's got allless gold.
Speaker 2: You know, it's got to be somewhere here, so we
Speaker 2: look for the gold first. So they decide, all right,
Speaker 2: we'll start, let's look real quick, and then we'll call.
Speaker 2: And I guess it became this thing where they're up
Speaker 2: at his at his at his spot, had his claim
Speaker 2: for like four or five weeks, carrying it up inch
Speaker 2: per inch, and that's where all that damage dress ball was,
Speaker 2: everything tossed over. They were looking for his gold because
Speaker 2: he had it, came down the mountain for months to
Speaker 2: cashing gold, and they know he was bringing a lot
Speaker 2: of golds, so they're like, this gold has got to
Speaker 2: be somewhere. So they're looking around, looking around, and they're thinking,
Speaker 2: but if it's under his bed, you know. So they
Speaker 2: told me that they literally rolled over his body on
Speaker 2: the bed. At this point, he'd already been dead for
Speaker 2: six seven weeks, you know, maybe two months at this point.
Speaker 2: They rolled his body over and fold the mattress in
Speaker 2: half so they could lift up under his bed and
Speaker 2: look under his bed for gold. They couldn't find any
Speaker 2: anything in there that was gold at all. So as
Speaker 2: they were putting the unfolding the mattress, putting it back,
Speaker 2: they noticed that he had his little notepad and his
Speaker 2: bible and his back pocket and he had his little
Speaker 2: bible he carried all the time. He'd write different things,
Speaker 2: highlight things in there and stuff and this little notepad
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, the notepad. So they grabbed the
Speaker 2: notepad and the bible out of his pocket. They're looking
Speaker 2: through the notepad and they can't really find anything, find anything.
Speaker 2: And they go look in his bible and there's like
Speaker 2: a little passage written like a note to his son
Speaker 2: with the GPS coordinates, and he told us for his son.
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, I love you, you know, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: for things in life this and that, and he's like,
Speaker 2: but you know, go to the spot. This is Will
Speaker 2: change your life. So they read that and immediately thinking,
Speaker 2: this is where the guy buried the gold. This is
Speaker 2: the cordinate's right here, this is where the gold is.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a note for his son to get
Speaker 2: the gold. This is the gold. Let's go look. So
Speaker 2: they go back. The guy yanks his GPS out of
Speaker 2: his pickup truck. They start walking around the GPS they
Speaker 2: put the coordinates in and they find this spot that
Speaker 2: leads them to the GPS coordinates. They go out there
Speaker 2: with shovels and pickaxes, and there was a spot where
Speaker 2: you couldn't really get in with the a tractor or
Speaker 2: any equipment. It's kind of like on the side of
Speaker 2: a hill. They have to spot. They start looking around,
Speaker 2: looking around, and they got a metal detector too, and
Speaker 2: then they find this rock hammer. But he says, basically
Speaker 2: like the hammer one side is like it's a small hammer,
Speaker 2: like a little balping hammer kind of but on one
Speaker 2: side it's like a little pick and the other side
Speaker 2: is kind of like a ball being like a flat
Speaker 2: hammer or whatever. But they find this hammer like buried
Speaker 2: just like two inches under the dirt. So like, oh,
Speaker 2: this has got to be a you know X Marx spot,
Speaker 2: they move a hammer, they start digging. At this point,
Speaker 2: they'd already talked to a lot of other guys in
Speaker 2: the mountains, and now there's like six dudes out there,
Speaker 2: all from like fifty years old to like ninety years old.
Speaker 2: Bunch of really old dudes, old timers, digging with shovels
Speaker 2: and pick axes. They get down about three or four
Speaker 2: feet and they find a large bone and they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, did you know they knew he's had bottle
Speaker 2: with people trying to rob him. And they're like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, did he kill somebody who was trying to
Speaker 2: rob her, you know, and bury the body? And they're like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe it's not a human bone, you know, Let's keep looking.
Speaker 2: So they keep digging, and they start to find more
Speaker 2: bones and like, hey man, these bones are like really big,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, like, well, maybe he buried the
Speaker 2: gold under the body, you know, thinking if somebody dug
Speaker 2: down and found a body, they're gonna stop digging and
Speaker 2: the goal is going to be under the body, you know.
Speaker 2: So they amongst each other they discuss it and they're like,
Speaker 2: all right, let's keep digging. They continue to dig a
Speaker 2: little bit more. And that's when they find the skull,
Speaker 2: and they realize that the skull is way bigger than
Speaker 2: the normal human skull and it's not shaped the same
Speaker 2: as a regular human skull. They get, they get, they
Speaker 2: get all real confused, and they're just discussing what to do,
Speaker 2: and then one of them just says it's fasquatch, and
Speaker 2: they all look at each other like no, and they're
Speaker 2: like standing at the skull, stare at the skull, and
Speaker 2: they're like, very it. Cover it back up, cover it
Speaker 2: back up. So they started throwing all the bones back
Speaker 2: in the hole, but all the dirt over it. They
Speaker 2: threw that rock camera at the bottom down where they'd
Speaker 2: found those bones, covered the whole thing up, left the
Speaker 2: whole mind, the whole site altogether. They never found any goals.
Speaker 2: All of them left and decided to like do a
Speaker 2: pack of secrecy that nobody's gonna discuss. That's what happened
Speaker 2: there is gonna wait for somebody else to find the body.
Speaker 2: They're not even gonna know acknowledge that he's dead. You
Speaker 2: know nothing. They were never there, you know, everybody you know,
Speaker 2: hush and uh. But basically, the you know, pastor of
Speaker 2: the creatures, you know, sitting there crying, balling, and just
Speaker 2: telling me about how he you know, he's going to
Speaker 2: go to hell because uh, you know, the guy was
Speaker 2: dead up there, and you know, they just hit it,
Speaker 2: you know, and let his body brought away and wasn't
Speaker 2: able to you know, the family wasn't able to grieve
Speaker 2: and bury him or anything, and just out of their
Speaker 2: pure greed for gold. And he started telling me how
Speaker 2: like you know, you know, once you once you get
Speaker 2: a little gold in your hand, he went more and more,
Speaker 2: and you know, the nugget is never big enough, you know.
Speaker 2: And he starts telling me about, like, you know, how
Speaker 2: he got addicted to gold mining, you know, twenty plus
Speaker 2: years before and I spent his whole life since. And
Speaker 2: he was just crying and balling, and I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: is this real? Like is this true? But then I
Speaker 2: was thinking about what ill with the whole campsite. Everything
Speaker 2: just ripped up and tore up. So I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: and I was like, you know, I'm like, well, why
Speaker 2: don't you call the cops or something? You know, it
Speaker 2: just anonys me. And then he said that one of
Speaker 2: the other guys had already called and that they had
Speaker 2: just been up there like the week before and took
Speaker 2: in the whiskey Peach's body. They had already just notified
Speaker 2: the Mexican and they're waiting for a Mexican to come
Speaker 2: out to the property and all that stuff, And it
Speaker 2: just kind of blew my mind that I was more
Speaker 2: blowing away to the greed of them having this dead
Speaker 2: body sitting there while they're tearing up this guy's property
Speaker 2: looking for golds, and then the whole thing of them
Speaker 2: like turning the body over to look under the bed
Speaker 2: for gold because they were so struck by having to
Speaker 2: find golds, you know, and the whole story of everything.
Speaker 2: I thought about it, you know, and I was like,
Speaker 2: that's crazy. And then I started thinking about this. I
Speaker 2: have a had fast watch on his property, Like did
Speaker 2: he kill a fast watch and bury it? You know?
Speaker 2: And then I was like, oh man, this is just crazy.
Speaker 2: After that, I told my boss. I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I can't do that route anymore. You know, Uh, just
Speaker 2: tired dealing with customers, too far between locations, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't get home till after dark. I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: not going to do the route anymore. So I stopped
Speaker 2: doing that route and same thing. I've never been back since.
Speaker 1: Arturo. That's that's the wildest hold on. That's the wildest
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard on this podcast. Do you think
Speaker 1: there's a buried sasquatch skull in that area?
Speaker 2: It could be or it really could have been, you know,
Speaker 2: just a larger person. You know, maybe he did kill
Speaker 2: somebody that was trying to rob him after he got
Speaker 2: all that gold, you know, or maybe you know, could
Speaker 2: have been a sasquatch. But then I was thinking back
Speaker 2: at it. At the beginning of his property, like in
Speaker 2: in southern Oregon, a lot of people have sasquatch stays,
Speaker 2: a little like wooden figurines, and they a lot of
Speaker 2: people have this thing. It's like a big cardboard cutout,
Speaker 2: like you get, like, you know, a four by ten
Speaker 2: sheet of plywood and they kind of cut out the
Speaker 2: outline like a big stancil of a sasquatch, and then
Speaker 2: they painted black or brown and they screw it on
Speaker 2: the trees. You know. I see it all over Oregon.
Speaker 2: At the beginning of his driveway to go up to
Speaker 2: Pett's place, he had one on each side of the
Speaker 2: driveway since before, like when I just started and and
Speaker 2: it said, you know, you know, keep out, beware, I'm watching,
Speaker 2: you know, all that stuff. But that wasn't a big
Speaker 2: thing because everybody in southern Oregon has some kind of
Speaker 2: sashquatch something, you know. And then thinking back to it,
Speaker 2: I do remember him a couple of times talking like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll be carefully there. You know, i'd be leieving kind
Speaker 2: of lady to be careful, you know, assquatch out in
Speaker 2: the woods, and you know, little quotes and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But he never really told me Pacific p like hey,
Speaker 2: I've seen I've seen a squatch or I killed a
Speaker 2: squatch or anything like that. But it was kind of
Speaker 2: just kind of you know, common knowledge or just spoken normally,
Speaker 2: you know, in that general area. So I never really
Speaker 2: overfunk it, you know. But then after they say his
Speaker 2: tassquatch and all that, I started thinking back to like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he had a lot of big foot stuff on his property,
Speaker 2: you know, little wind chimes with bigfoot and just different
Speaker 2: little things, you know, bigfoot sticker on the side of
Speaker 2: his old trailer before he got the new one and
Speaker 2: all that. So I'm like, hey, he probably was a believer,
Speaker 2: But was he a believer because he found one and
Speaker 2: killed it.
Speaker 1: You know, man, so many I don't know, so many
Speaker 1: questions we will never get the answer to, absolutely never
Speaker 1: get the answer. I bet whiskey Pete has some wild
Speaker 1: big foot encounters up there on that mountain. My goodness,
Speaker 1: that wild.
Speaker 2: It's just like a wild West up there. Man, Like
Speaker 2: they like everybody's this sss you know, shoot shovel, shut up.
Speaker 2: And that could be everything from uh, you know, people
Speaker 2: sneaking on to the gross sites, getting caught in the
Speaker 2: gold mining clams. You know, they shoot you and they
Speaker 2: bury you. You know, it's like as common knowledge, like
Speaker 2: they never call the cops, you know, there's any problems
Speaker 2: beast between neighbors Hillside and the hillside. You know, I
Speaker 2: rarely hear stories of anybody calling authorities for any problems
Speaker 2: that's going on there. You know, they they take care
Speaker 2: of everything themselves. So the fact that there's somebody buried
Speaker 2: there wasn't really too much of a shock to me.
Speaker 2: But the fact that they said they was giant, and
Speaker 2: his skull was real huge and looked different. And then
Speaker 2: then they said, oh, well, the guys mentioned it's a taskquatch,
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, they all panicked and just start
Speaker 2: burying it. You know.
Speaker 1: That's so wild.
Speaker 2: That kind of threw me off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're like, nope, we're not in this at all.
Speaker 1: Bury it up. That is so crazy. Can you even
Speaker 1: I mean, this is such an intense story. Can you
Speaker 1: even share what county it is in? Then?
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, we'll say it's uh an, We'll say like
Speaker 2: near the border of Josephine County in Douglas County.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, man, that's this is I got. I got.
Speaker 2: But I believed him because because I I had never
Speaker 2: seen that man smoke a cigarette. Do you know, I've
Speaker 2: never seen the preacher, you know, pastor do anything of
Speaker 2: mind altering anything. In years of going up there, you know,
Speaker 2: they'd even have little community to get togethers where they'd
Speaker 2: hang out and barbecue and everybody'd be sitting on shine
Speaker 2: or you know, hanging out, you know, smoking and whatever.
Speaker 2: He never touched anything. And that's time I up there
Speaker 2: and he was just belligerent, drunk, crying and all that.
Speaker 2: That's when I was like, man, this guy is serious.
Speaker 2: You know, something serious is going on. After I had
Speaker 2: just left the other place that was torn up, you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you know, I was just believing like
Speaker 2: him word for word, you know that he doesn't seem
Speaker 2: like he's never seemed like a dishonest person in any sort,
Speaker 2: you know. And the worst part about all this is
Speaker 2: I heard from the next guy that took over that route.
Speaker 2: They'd sent one guy. He got lost everywhere, couldn't find
Speaker 2: any of the locations because they're real hard to find.
Speaker 2: So then they told me like, hey, you know, you
Speaker 2: want to do a ride along with the next guy
Speaker 2: who's going to take over the route, so you could
Speaker 2: show him the route. And I said, no, not really,
Speaker 2: I'm not going up there no more. And so they
Speaker 2: found another guy that worked with the company that used
Speaker 2: to do that route prior to me working there. They
Speaker 2: sent him up there, and when he came down the mountain,
Speaker 2: he was talking about the Yeah, the preacher committed suicide.
Speaker 2: I said what I said, I said, past like, pastor,
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, the well, you know whatever,
Speaker 2: the you know, the yellow car and this, you know,
Speaker 2: like that guy is a yain. He blew his head
Speaker 2: off shotgun. Nobody knows. Nobody knows why he blew his
Speaker 2: head off.
Speaker 1: He could he couldn't live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I remember him just telling me how
Speaker 2: he's he's going to hell for, you know, desecrating that
Speaker 2: man's body and not calling the authorities, and you know,
Speaker 2: he was just crying and balling, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: could totally see him doing that, just in a drunken
Speaker 2: stupor just you know, upset about what happened, and I
Speaker 2: could totally see that happening, you know, But I personally
Speaker 2: haven't not been back up there since. But you know,
Speaker 2: I that's what I heard, is you know pastor uh,
Speaker 2: you know, opted out, shall we.
Speaker 1: Say, Arturo?
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 1: It is, without a out, the most intense story I
Speaker 1: have heard in the last five years. And I don't
Speaker 1: even want to think of what's going to come from
Speaker 1: the comments on this one. I mean, I'm sure maybe
Speaker 1: other people know parts of this story that that you
Speaker 1: didn't know because it happened later, and man, who knows
Speaker 1: where this is going to go next? But Artaro, thank
Speaker 1: you for sharing what you've experienced over the years. This
Speaker 1: is absolutely wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been wanted to talk about with somebody for
Speaker 2: a long time and since I lived out here in
Speaker 2: southern Oregon. Though when we first moved out here, we'd
Speaker 2: moved to Grasspath Oregon, right we first first moved up here,
Speaker 2: and they're like they have these big caveman statues around town,
Speaker 2: like the tow truck company is Caveman Towing, and the
Speaker 2: high school football team or like the Caveman or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like all this cave man stuff, I'm like, is just
Speaker 2: just rubbing it in my face. You know, Like when
Speaker 2: I moved away from Soak, I was just kind of
Speaker 2: trying to block out of my mind forget about it.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing all this caveman stuff, right, and I'm still
Speaker 2: on an impression that you know, hundred that I saw
Speaker 2: with some kind of caveman or some giant or you know,
Speaker 2: something like that. Right, And I see all this big
Speaker 2: foot stuff all the time. I'm like, hen, he's idiots
Speaker 2: believing in bigfoot, right, So I'm like the idiots with
Speaker 2: their bigfoot stuff, but I'm seeing all this caveman stuff.
Speaker 2: But I would sit back at you know, bonfires, hanging out,
Speaker 2: you know, capping with the boys, and I'd heard people
Speaker 2: kind of talk a little little stories here and there
Speaker 2: about bigfoot and all that. But you know, me personally,
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I still don't consider that I've seen
Speaker 2: a big foot. I saw something else, you know. But
Speaker 2: out here, it's like bigfoots just common knowledge. Some people,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, not out of ten would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's a myth and that's the greatest host of all times,
Speaker 2: and you know whatever, it's just serious. Say he's saying
Speaker 2: enough people everybody thinks it's true, you know, and then
Speaker 2: like one out of ten people like, yeah, yeah, they're real,
Speaker 2: Like oh my uncle had one at the back of
Speaker 2: his property, you know, and that's just you know, common No,
Speaker 2: it's like it's not a big deal. But like the
Speaker 2: other night, people you talk to you are like, you're ridiculous,
Speaker 2: you know. So I never mentioned to anybody what I
Speaker 2: saw in southern California with Theaudrey jokes. I just didn't
Speaker 2: want to be rig called, like oh you saw a
Speaker 2: cave man, you know, So I just never really mentioned it.
Speaker 2: But I just kind of listen to other people's stories
Speaker 2: and you know, but out here, I've never seen nothing
Speaker 2: in Oregon personally, I've never seen nothing in a couple
Speaker 2: of black bears, yeah, things like that. But yeah, well
Speaker 2: take it for what it is. But you know, the
Speaker 2: look in that man's face, I believe what he was
Speaker 2: telling me.
Speaker 1: You know, I think he made the right choice just
Speaker 1: walking away from all that. I don't think that would
Speaker 1: have gotten any better for you. Just there's too much,
Speaker 1: too much going up in that area that is not
Speaker 1: not what you want to mess with for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I realized that Gold makes people crazy. Yeah crazy
Speaker 2: for Gold.
Speaker 1: Such a sad story, but also such a I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's wilder than most of the movies I've seen,
Speaker 1: to be honest, it's an incredibly intense arturo. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming on the show and for sharing
Speaker 1: what you've experienced over the years. I greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 2: That problem. I feel a lot better, you know, getting
Speaker 2: it off my chest.
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