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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Big for the Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.

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<v Speaker 1>In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to

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<v Speaker 1>bring you first hand encounters from people who say they've

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<v Speaker 1>seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers

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<v Speaker 1>to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.

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<v Speaker 1>These are the voices of the people who've lived it.

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<v Speaker 1>To settle in, because today you'll hear another account that

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<v Speaker 1>just might change the way you see the woods forever.

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<v Speaker 1>So stay with us, all right, Big for Society. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got the privilege of talking to a gentleman tonight. His

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<v Speaker 1>name is Arturo. He's from the South Oregon area. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a truck driver. He's got some really interesting things he's

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<v Speaker 1>experienced over the years, and we've been kind of going

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth for a bit, but his info came

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<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere, and I'm glad I'm actually able to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to him on air now. And Arturo, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing tonight, sir?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty good, fantastic And the road is treating you well

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<v Speaker 1>out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not the time of the year to really

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<v Speaker 2>build the snow and ice and all that. So summertime

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<v Speaker 2>is a high mileage, good base. So I really enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>the spring and the summer, fall and winter and whin.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta be a little more cautious with other drivers

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<v Speaker 2>and road conditions, but right now it's a great time

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<v Speaker 2>of year to be driving truck.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, just you in the open road sounds great. Well, Arturo,

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<v Speaker 1>You've got some really interesting things to share. We talked

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit earlier today and the stuff that you

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<v Speaker 1>told me then, I was like, Wow, this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a very unique one. I'm excited to get

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<v Speaker 1>into it. So Arturo, I'm gonna let you go ahead

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<v Speaker 1>and take us where we need to go with what

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<v Speaker 1>you've experienced.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, it's going to be a two part thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The first part will be my personal experiences and what

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<v Speaker 2>happened to me back in twenty two, and the second

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<v Speaker 2>part will be account of the story of I know

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<v Speaker 2>what happened in southern Oregon. But I guess I'll start

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<v Speaker 2>with the twenty ten My personal experience. I've always been

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of heavier set guy. I was like about

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred and fifty pounds since high school and a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years before my incident, I had been a

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<v Speaker 2>really bad car wreck and I ended up being in

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<v Speaker 2>intensive care for a long time and bedridden for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of months and like, you know, whole year of

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<v Speaker 2>therapy just be able to walk good again and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>And during that period, I'd put on about another one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds. I was really large, up like three hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty pounds, and my health became a big concern

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<v Speaker 2>for me. And I've always been kind of into like

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<v Speaker 2>pushcraft and survivalism, and you know, since I was a

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<v Speaker 2>kid watching terminator and you know, things like that, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of things like that, and then

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<v Speaker 2>but I really into the wilderness and outdoors. So I decided,

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<v Speaker 2>for the better my health, was gonna start doing some

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<v Speaker 2>you know, short hikes and maybe getting out and practicing

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<v Speaker 2>a little bushcraft. So I started to do that. In

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<v Speaker 2>southern California and this area between Orange County and Riverside County,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a road that kind of divided into two

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<v Speaker 2>counties on this mountaintop, but below that in the valley

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<v Speaker 2>there was a couple of creeks with small waterfalls and

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<v Speaker 2>things like that. There was a basically BLM road that

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<v Speaker 2>went up into the area. So I started going there

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<v Speaker 2>as far as I could drive, and then i'd park

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<v Speaker 2>my truck and I was doing these short hikes about

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<v Speaker 2>three quarters of a mile in and I'd hang out

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<v Speaker 2>the creek and you know, mess around the bushcraft and

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<v Speaker 2>practicing doing like bow drill and hand drill, starting fires

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<v Speaker 2>and different things like that, do some woodcarving, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing that for a while, and then eventually there's

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<v Speaker 2>too many accidents on that mountain of people, mostly like

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<v Speaker 2>high school kids partying up in the hills and driving

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<v Speaker 2>off the edge of the sides of the mountains and

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<v Speaker 2>lay it to a couple of fatalities. So they closed

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<v Speaker 2>the road down where I used to drive in to

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<v Speaker 2>get to that area. So then it became a thing

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<v Speaker 2>of you know limitation on the If I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to hike in there, it became about about five and

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<v Speaker 2>a half to maybe six and a half mile hike

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<v Speaker 2>to get to that area where I was hanging out.

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<v Speaker 2>So I decided to start, you know, hiking in and

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<v Speaker 2>bringing a hammock so I could just stay overnight or

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<v Speaker 2>hike in, hang out for the day, you know, have

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<v Speaker 2>a little fun, stay the night and then hike out

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<v Speaker 2>the next day so I wouldn't have to, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>try to do a ten twelve mile hike in one day.

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<v Speaker 2>So I started doing that for a while. Started building

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty decent kind of permanent structure. But there was

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<v Speaker 2>a small series of mines and caves and stuff over

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<v Speaker 2>there where they used to look for I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for copper and over and different minerals and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>But they basically all ran dry and had got closed down.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Forager Service had went in and put concrete

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<v Speaker 2>and rebar up on all the interests to close them off.

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<v Speaker 2>But I found one of those was a fairly good

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<v Speaker 2>sized opening, and I noticed that there was constantly a

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<v Speaker 2>draft that pulled into the cave. So I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's gonna be an awesome location to build

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<v Speaker 2>a little permanent structure. So that's what I did, and

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<v Speaker 2>had a little fire pit to the back I built,

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<v Speaker 2>and really nice. I could have a small fire in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and the smoke always draft into the tunnel and come

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<v Speaker 2>up out the hill somewhere. So I fortified the entrance

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<v Speaker 2>real good. It was built it real nice, and behind

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<v Speaker 2>a big brushline. It was really hard to find the spot,

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<v Speaker 2>and I always try to take different routes going to

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<v Speaker 2>my little you know, hideaway. But at the time of

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<v Speaker 2>doing that, I had this little Chihuahua mixed dog that

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<v Speaker 2>I had gotten was a rescue my former employer. His

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<v Speaker 2>wife was real big on resking every animal, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>she'd find strays, bring him back and all this. But

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<v Speaker 2>this little dog end up being a crazy dog and

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<v Speaker 2>little tiny Chiwala just scared everybody. And they told me

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<v Speaker 2>if I could take him for a couple of days,

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<v Speaker 2>they could, you know, find an owner somebody'd be willing

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<v Speaker 2>to take him. And the dog ended up just like

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<v Speaker 2>just falling me around everywhere and bade me and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So I decided to keep that dog and solve the

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<v Speaker 2>whole problem, and then I d having somebody to do

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<v Speaker 2>my little hikes with me and stuff. But the dog

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<v Speaker 2>really didn't like anybody or listen to anybody. Anybody got

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<v Speaker 2>within ten fifteen feet of me or anybody at my house,

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<v Speaker 2>he'd start growling and barking and you know, just pull

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<v Speaker 2>Chihuahua yapp and thing. But I started to notice when

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<v Speaker 2>we were hiking in when we got to a certain

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<v Speaker 2>point where there was this ridge My dog would always

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<v Speaker 2>get distracted and he'd put his ears up, like if

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<v Speaker 2>i'd call whistle for the dog, whatever you get here,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he put his ears up. He'd look around

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd run right at me. And he never did

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<v Speaker 2>that for anybody else, like ever, not even the people

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<v Speaker 2>who live with me. He just wouldn't respond to anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>But I started noticing we get to this point, he'd

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<v Speaker 2>put his ears up like if I was calling him,

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<v Speaker 2>and he'd just go running off in the bush, go

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get up to that ridge up there. And

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<v Speaker 2>I started bothering me, like, what is this dog hearing?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like attracting him so much that he's just completely

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<v Speaker 2>disobeying my commands, you know, running off. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I started, you know, kind of watching him more, and

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<v Speaker 2>I got to the point where he was just like

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<v Speaker 2>he'd take off and he'd be gone for like an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>I just continue hiking towards my little bushcraft shelter I built,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just got really annoised this. I started putting

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<v Speaker 2>him on a leash when we go past the section,

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<v Speaker 2>and I started to realize that, like, whoever time we

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<v Speaker 2>go to that section, besides the dog acting, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>completely out of the ordinary, just completely you know, different

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<v Speaker 2>from his normal day to day. I started noticing I

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<v Speaker 2>always had this sensation of you know, being watched, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I started thinking, oh, well, maybe somebody else

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<v Speaker 2>has a camp there. Maybe it's you know, there there

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<v Speaker 2>was some transient and homeless people in the area that

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<v Speaker 2>used to camp out there, but they're more down the

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<v Speaker 2>valley towards all where the massive amount of citrus, orange

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<v Speaker 2>groves and grapefruit were and things like that, so I

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't really thinking it was that. And then I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just a weird feeling. And one day

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, we were walking in the ridges above me

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<v Speaker 2>to my left side, and it was probably about sixty

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<v Speaker 2>seventy yards up the side of this hill was a

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<v Speaker 2>real steep cliff. As I was walking, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>real quiet day, like hardly no wind, nothing, and everything

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<v Speaker 2>got real quiet, and I started actually hearing like leaves

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<v Speaker 2>rustling and things like that. And then at one point

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<v Speaker 2>I saw a couple of little small rocks like rolled

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<v Speaker 2>down the well. So it caused me to look up

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<v Speaker 2>to my left and I realized that my dog was

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<v Speaker 2>already staring up at that direction. The whole time we

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<v Speaker 2>were walking, So I started really paying attention to that

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<v Speaker 2>ridge to the left of me. So I'm just like

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<v Speaker 2>walking ahead and just kind of focusing to my left

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<v Speaker 2>the whole time, and I'm really getting that eerie feeling

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<v Speaker 2>of just being watched. So I just come to a

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<v Speaker 2>complete stop. I started glancing the ridge, and then that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's when I saw him, right. And you know, I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard a lot of things about, you know, Bigfoot being

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<v Speaker 2>this big giant, you know, gorilla ape and type things

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<v Speaker 2>like that. What I saw was nothing looking like a Bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And the way, the best way I can

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<v Speaker 2>explain it is like I grew up in the early

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<v Speaker 2>eighties watching wrestling and Halgain and all that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of pictured it. It'd be like Andrea the Giant

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<v Speaker 2>that they had from wrestling back in the day. But

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<v Speaker 2>it looked like Andre the Giant with like totally straight hair,

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<v Speaker 2>not curly hair. The hair was had like a light

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<v Speaker 2>red tint to it, but with a lot of gray hair,

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<v Speaker 2>like an old man. But it looked like a caveman,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like not with like you see with like

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<v Speaker 2>the loincloth, you know, patch of animal for over him.

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<v Speaker 2>Carrying a club. It just looks kind of like a Neanderthal,

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<v Speaker 2>but just like really huge, like Andrea the Giant. So

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<v Speaker 2>I stopped. I'm like staring at it, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>so the fuddo, I'm so confused on what I'm seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>I just start to slowly just keep walking forward, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm staring up at the hill and what I'm seeing

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<v Speaker 2>starts to walk forward too, and it's and it's staring

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<v Speaker 2>right back at me, and my dog is full eye contact.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm walking almost like twenty thirty yards staring up the

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<v Speaker 2>hill as the thing I'm watching goes to where there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a clearing of trees and it's not such a

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<v Speaker 2>wide open part of the ridge. The thing I'm watching

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<v Speaker 2>is watching me so intently, just like I'm watching him.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing I'm watching walks right into a tree branch

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<v Speaker 2>that was right at its head level and just smacked

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<v Speaker 2>it in the head. And so I was like, what

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<v Speaker 2>and you're walking down the hallway and you just stub

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<v Speaker 2>and it looked away from me, looked at the tree branch.

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<v Speaker 2>It put its left arm up to where his left

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<v Speaker 2>arm was like level with its eyesight, almost grabbed the

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<v Speaker 2>snapped it off and kind of squirted it away a

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<v Speaker 2>little quicker, and it just disappeared. And then no more sound,

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<v Speaker 2>no more nothing. And I was so confused. I kept

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<v Speaker 2>and like the way the body was, I just kept thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 2>the time, you know, and I'm seeing this other creature

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<v Speaker 2>that looks way very very old and very very heavy

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<v Speaker 2>a different area and all that. And I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why's that dog out there? And they say, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that dog has made uh it's real highly contagious. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the other animals can get it real quick. We gotta

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<v Speaker 2>keep them separate. You know. If we go in there

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<v Speaker 2>to feed them, we have to bleach the things down.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to wear rubber boots and gloves and everything's

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<v Speaker 2>got to get bleached to sanitize. But I remember about

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<v Speaker 2>the dog having kind of like big patches of fur

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<v Speaker 2>missing that looked all like scratched up and kind of scabby.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was the same thing that I saw on

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<v Speaker 2>where like the fur was gone and it was just

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<v Speaker 2>and it just looked like in such poor health. Like

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<v Speaker 2>it was like, you know, I'm out there struggling, and

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<v Speaker 2>and then I was thinking, is this thing always following me?

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know, he's feeling sorry for me trying to

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<v Speaker 2>getting up this ridge, up this hill all the time?

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<v Speaker 2>Was there like a sympathetic thing, you know, like when

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<v Speaker 2>I walked through, he walks through just to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>see if I can make it or is he you know,

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<v Speaker 2>somehow kind of like sublimly like encouraged me to keep

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<v Speaker 2>going every time that I'm you know, struggling trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get through, and basically, you know, he went over the ridge,

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<v Speaker 2>I lost sight of him, and then uh, I had

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<v Speaker 2>to spend it like the next three or four hours

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<v Speaker 2>almost like trying to figure out how to get up

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<v Speaker 2>to that spot where I saw the thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And it was very difficult as a high steat ridge.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had a micing it, hiking ahead about a

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<v Speaker 2>quarter mile trying to find a way up, couldn't find

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<v Speaker 2>nothing where I could because it's so vertical steep. I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't get up there. So then I had hiking back

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<v Speaker 2>about a quarter mile backwards, and I found a little

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<v Speaker 2>small kind of game trail, but was still pretty steep,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was able to get up the hillside by

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<v Speaker 2>just like pulling on the roots of different trees and

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<v Speaker 2>little shrubs. I got myself up there, and I got

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<v Speaker 2>to the spot where he had smacked his head on

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<v Speaker 2>that branch and just reached up and just broke that

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<v Speaker 2>whole branch. And the first thing I noticed that that

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<v Speaker 2>branch was like four or five inches stick. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very bottom branch of the tree of

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<v Speaker 2>a big, big tree, so it was a nice stick branch.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was thinking, how did it snap that? And

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<v Speaker 2>then I went closer, got up there, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to grab it to see, you know, just how

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<v Speaker 2>stiff or whatever the branch was. That's when I realized

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<v Speaker 2>that the branch was so high up. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>only five ten, and I put my arm up as

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<v Speaker 2>high as I could put it up, so that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's another foot and a half up

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<v Speaker 2>or so, and I couldn't even touch the branch. I

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<v Speaker 2>had to pull out my little hiking stick, the telescoping

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<v Speaker 2>one I had, and with it just like one slot

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<v Speaker 2>like halfway out, so I had had about another foot

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<v Speaker 2>and a half or so. It's you know, the height

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<v Speaker 2>of my arm. I was able to smack that branch,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a live green tree. Where the break was,

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<v Speaker 2>it looked really fibrous. You can see like the fibers

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<v Speaker 2>in the tree like splintering open, and even had like

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<v Speaker 2>a slight bit of sap kind of oozing out by then, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a totally fresh tree big so a society

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<v Speaker 1>will be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I started thinking about like when I'm doing bushcraft,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes I don't feel like really soalling through material

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<v Speaker 2>to build for you know, certain structures or for just

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<v Speaker 2>firewood or kindling whatever. A lot of times I'll find

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<v Speaker 2>a tree or two trees next to each other or

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<v Speaker 2>kind of wedge into v shape, and I'll take dead

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<v Speaker 2>standing wood that I find, it's maybe two three inches

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<v Speaker 2>in diameter, and I'll wedge it down between the tree

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<v Speaker 2>and then I use my upper body to press against

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<v Speaker 2>it and then kind of use a pendulum. You'll use

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<v Speaker 2>a little leverage to just snap the tree. But that

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<v Speaker 2>only works on dead trees. You know, if it's something

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<v Speaker 2>live green tree, you're gonna be pulling at It's just

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<v Speaker 2>gonna aband and bend and not snap if anything is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna you know, shove me back on the ground. So

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<v Speaker 2>then I was just so confused about that. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what to do. I just looked everything start stared

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<v Speaker 2>there for a while. Realized it was already getting pretty

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<v Speaker 2>dark at that point because it took me forever to

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<v Speaker 2>get up there, and I'm like, well, either I had

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<v Speaker 2>to keep going forward to get to my shelter or

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<v Speaker 2>head back to the truck. And I just didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>didn't feel like staying there with only having a Ruger

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<v Speaker 2>ten twenty two rifle on me, and that's I used

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<v Speaker 2>to carry a survival knife a bushcraft night from the

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<v Speaker 2>Rugerten twenty two, but that was mostly used for just

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<v Speaker 2>planking and squirrel hunting and rabbit hunting. I just had

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<v Speaker 2>like a big fear of me whatever this thing was

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<v Speaker 2>able to, you know, just completely snap that branch that

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<v Speaker 2>by twenty two was going to do nothing. So I

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<v Speaker 2>decided to leave and I hiked back out. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>basically the the first half of my encounter with Andre.

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<v Speaker 1>Just really interesting. This is a very unique account. You

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<v Speaker 1>would say I haven't gotten many like these. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>going to refer to as Andre. Was Andre wearing any

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<v Speaker 1>clothes then, or was it like pretty much nothing? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Nothing?

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned at one point there was fur this individual.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it covered with fur or hair or what did

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<v Speaker 1>you notice in that?

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like kind of like my old high school

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<v Speaker 2>gym teacher, like he'd take his shirt off and he

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<v Speaker 2>just had his hair his whole body. But the thing,

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<v Speaker 2>it was crazy. I've never seen somebody with that much

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<v Speaker 2>hair over their chests and their arms and their neck

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<v Speaker 2>and all that without you know, it's always like curly hair.

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<v Speaker 2>All this hair was straight. It was a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>hair over the whole body, except for like over the

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<v Speaker 2>pecks of the chest, like where the nipple would be.

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<v Speaker 2>It was kind of bald right there, and then on

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<v Speaker 2>the center like where the belly would be kind of

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<v Speaker 2>kind of balding right there. But all the hair was straight.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no curly hair. It was all real straight,

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<v Speaker 2>really fine hair.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha. Is there a color that kind of stood out

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<v Speaker 1>about Andre?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if anything, I would say it was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a reddish brown, but kind of like like if

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<v Speaker 2>you have like a chocolate lab or something. But it

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<v Speaker 2>was like that, but like if it was really aged,

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<v Speaker 2>like very old, like if a lot of that hair

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<v Speaker 2>had already turned like gray and white. You know, like

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<v Speaker 2>if it was younger, it would have been like looking

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<v Speaker 2>like a chocolate lab But it just looked so old,

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of the hair had turned gray and

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<v Speaker 2>it was really faded.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how tall would you say it was.

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<v Speaker 2>For the higher the head where that branch was, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just estimating probably about eight and a half foot up

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<v Speaker 2>to where that branch was where it smacked its head on.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, did you notice anything about the arms, the arm lengths,

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when he put his like forearm up to put

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<v Speaker 2>his hand on the branch to like push the branch

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<v Speaker 2>out of the way that it smacked its head on,

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<v Speaker 2>the arms still had like really huge muscles in the arms.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, you know, it was, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>Schwarzenegger back in the day, but just like a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of hair. It looked extremely muscular, but at the same

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<v Speaker 2>time it looked like if it was like overweight. You know, now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a big guy, you know, so I was just

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<v Speaker 2>like kind of judging off myself of you know, how

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<v Speaker 2>my body structure looks. You know at that time being

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<v Speaker 2>about three point fifty and prior I did do a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of wrestling in MMA fighting. I did use

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<v Speaker 2>to train, but I never got extremely yoked. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was never a bodybuilder, but I know it's like

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<v Speaker 2>to have some muscle mass with fat over it and

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of looking from what I saw compared to

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<v Speaker 2>that height to the like the build of my body

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<v Speaker 2>and all that. You know, I was honestly nothing had

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<v Speaker 2>weigh you know, seven hundred pounds or something, or eight

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<v Speaker 2>hundred pounds at least, you know, but I did. I

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<v Speaker 2>did see a lot of good amount of muscle, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, were there any points where it was walking

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<v Speaker 1>and you saw the arms they were kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>down by its side at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Almost the whole way that it was walking, the arms were,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, hanging down towards the waist. It never put

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<v Speaker 2>its arms up until it hit the tree branch. The

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<v Speaker 2>whole time I was walking, I was just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like walking with his arms down on his side, but

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<v Speaker 2>they were kind of slightly swaying maybe back and forth

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<v Speaker 2>about a foot foot and a half or so. But

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like swinging its arms as it was walking.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just kind of just swaying them side to

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<v Speaker 2>side as it was facing me.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you had to imagine, like, let's imagine the

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<v Speaker 1>hands are, you know, the arms are by the side

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<v Speaker 1>it's walking. How far down would the tips of the

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<v Speaker 1>finger on the hands go. Are they going above the

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<v Speaker 1>knee or are they going way down the leg past that?

421
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<v Speaker 2>Probably like choosing knee.

422
00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay, interesting, hands were massive. Were the hands covered with

423
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<v Speaker 1>with fur or hair or could you see like the

424
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<v Speaker 1>actual fingers?

425
00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:18.359
<v Speaker 2>And I could I could see, I could see fingers

426
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:21.920
<v Speaker 2>of the hands, you know, and then I couldn't really

427
00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:26.000
<v Speaker 2>see fingernails though. But I do remember when it put

428
00:23:26.039 --> 00:23:28.599
<v Speaker 2>its forearm in front of it to grab that tree,

429
00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:33.200
<v Speaker 2>it looked like his fingers almost touched each other on

430
00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:35.039
<v Speaker 2>the other side of the tree branch when it was

431
00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:38.119
<v Speaker 2>going to break it, because the side I was looking at,

432
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:41.839
<v Speaker 2>I was on the side that the I was between

433
00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:44.759
<v Speaker 2>him and the tree branch, you know. So he put

434
00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:47.880
<v Speaker 2>put his arm up, his fingers went around the branch,

435
00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:50.359
<v Speaker 2>and on the other side it looked like his fingers

436
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:54.000
<v Speaker 2>almost touched. And when I went up there, that tree

437
00:23:54.039 --> 00:23:57.960
<v Speaker 2>branch was you know, four or five inches stick. You know,

438
00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:01.079
<v Speaker 2>maybe six inches. I thought I was six with probably

439
00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:04.079
<v Speaker 2>four or five inches stick. And as I'm sitting there,

440
00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm holding the handle of the little walking stick that

441
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:09.319
<v Speaker 2>I got, and it's kind of like a bicycle grip size,

442
00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.240
<v Speaker 2>you know, And I'm holding onto that in my hand,

443
00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:14.359
<v Speaker 2>and I'm looking at it like me and my fingers

444
00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:18.000
<v Speaker 2>wrapped around my thumb, touch my you know, index finger

445
00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.519
<v Speaker 2>and my thumbs barely touching there, hold on that bike

446
00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:23.000
<v Speaker 2>grip thing. And I'm looking at that thing, and I

447
00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:24.720
<v Speaker 2>was thinking, how big is a hand have to be

448
00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:28.079
<v Speaker 2>to go around that big old piece of tree and

449
00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:31.960
<v Speaker 2>touch the fingers? You know? Oh?

450
00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely? Did you notice I don't know if you got

451
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the chance to count, but how many fingers it had

452
00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:40.480
<v Speaker 1>on each hand?

453
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I looked it just looked like a normal human hand,

454
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:47.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of like it did look like it had a

455
00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:52.119
<v Speaker 2>thumb and five, you know, four fingers. You know. I

456
00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:55.799
<v Speaker 2>didn't see any look like extra or less that I

457
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:58.319
<v Speaker 2>could tellence look like kind of like a human.

458
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<v Speaker 1>Hand, got it. You mentioned there was a time when

459
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<v Speaker 1>you were actually having prolonged eye contact as you both

460
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:13.599
<v Speaker 1>were walking. Did you so I would imagine that you're

461
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:16.160
<v Speaker 1>able to you were able to look into the eyes.

462
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<v Speaker 1>Do you remember were there any whites to the eyes

463
00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:23.119
<v Speaker 1>at all or was it maybe all dark?

464
00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:28.720
<v Speaker 2>No, it was like really yellow. Kind of remind me

465
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:33.599
<v Speaker 2>of we had a neighbor for a while that was

466
00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:36.400
<v Speaker 2>a really bad alcoholic and you had all kinds of

467
00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.799
<v Speaker 2>kidney failure and he was constantly like going in for

468
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.960
<v Speaker 2>a dialysis and you know, filter in his blood off

469
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:44.680
<v Speaker 2>machines and all that. But I don't know what they

470
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:47.119
<v Speaker 2>it was, what it was called, but he had something

471
00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.799
<v Speaker 2>that when your kidneys go bad, stops filtering. But uh,

472
00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:53.400
<v Speaker 2>your eyes go all yellow and kind of red like

473
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.880
<v Speaker 2>bloodshot looking right or was it not jaundice or I

474
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<v Speaker 2>can't remember what it was called. Uh, but it looked

475
00:26:00.680 --> 00:26:03.200
<v Speaker 2>like my neighbor that was like the bad alcoholic, just

476
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.119
<v Speaker 2>really yellow eyes, and the pupils were just like solid

477
00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:12.119
<v Speaker 2>like dark brown or black, just really yellow and just

478
00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:16.400
<v Speaker 2>looking like sick, like you know. I didn't see no

479
00:26:16.440 --> 00:26:17.440
<v Speaker 2>bright white at all.

480
00:26:17.759 --> 00:26:24.839
<v Speaker 1>Okay, were but it definitely had a pupil, yes, Okay.

481
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Did the head have a shape to it at all?

482
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:32.559
<v Speaker 2>It looked just like Andre the Giant from wrestling from

483
00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:34.960
<v Speaker 2>back in the eighties as far as like the way

484
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:38.039
<v Speaker 2>his forehead came down and like his eyebrow line how

485
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.200
<v Speaker 2>it kind of came out, and like the kind of

486
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:44.119
<v Speaker 2>wier nose on his face and everything like really similar

487
00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:45.920
<v Speaker 2>to like Andrea the Giant.

488
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:50.400
<v Speaker 1>So definitely from what I'm hearing, I'm hearing not like

489
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:54.279
<v Speaker 1>a conical shape head, just like a big old head.

490
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

491
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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, what kind of neck did this I have?

492
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:06.200
<v Speaker 2>It was really short. It was like almost like the

493
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:09.519
<v Speaker 2>head was just like right on the collarbone, like there

494
00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:11.720
<v Speaker 2>wasn't I didn't really see too much of a neck

495
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:12.880
<v Speaker 2>at all.

496
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Did you notice any details about the forehead or the

497
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:25.880
<v Speaker 1>the area above the eyes when you were looking at it, Just.

498
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:29.319
<v Speaker 2>How the forehead kind of came down and then where

499
00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.799
<v Speaker 2>the eyebrows were be it looked like, you know, like

500
00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:37.039
<v Speaker 2>the bones like around the eye socket were like kind

501
00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:40.319
<v Speaker 2>of like overemphasized, like you know, they were really large,

502
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:43.480
<v Speaker 2>like behind where your eyebrows would be like if almost

503
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 2>there was like a finger like under the skin. You know,

504
00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:50.319
<v Speaker 2>they were like, you know, not like a roll of pennies,

505
00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:53.319
<v Speaker 2>but it was like, you know, just something way larger

506
00:27:53.519 --> 00:27:56.640
<v Speaker 2>under the eyebrows that made that part of the lower

507
00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:58.480
<v Speaker 2>part of the forehead stick out so far.

508
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.440
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like definitely a pronounced brow ridge, kind of

509
00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>like when you see those old movies with Neanderthals and

510
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 1>you just got that really large bone structure right above

511
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 1>the eyes where just kind of a roll of pennies

512
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:17.440
<v Speaker 1>is a good way to say it. Did you notice

513
00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.599
<v Speaker 1>anything out of the ordinary about the nose?

514
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Just that it was wide, That was about it. And

515
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>there was no hair on the nose at all. I

516
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:31.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't see any hair on there or no hair coming

517
00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.920
<v Speaker 2>out from the nose either, And there was like no

518
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:39.279
<v Speaker 2>like mustache. Really. All the hair was from like the

519
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.480
<v Speaker 2>lower lip downward and kind of high up on the cheeks,

520
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:45.119
<v Speaker 2>but there was nothing on the nose or the upper

521
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 2>lip as far as hair was.

522
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.240
<v Speaker 1>The nose smushed like it'd been smushed against the face.

523
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>I remember it being really broad and wide, and it

524
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.720
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really sticking out far for as white as it was.

525
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.319
<v Speaker 2>You think it'd be like, you know, kind of proportionate

526
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:05.720
<v Speaker 2>like with the length, but it wasn't really sticking out

527
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:07.480
<v Speaker 2>that far compared to how white it was.

528
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:15.160
<v Speaker 1>Had nostrils like hooded, Yeah, yeah, gotcha. Anything out of

529
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.319
<v Speaker 1>the ordinary with the mouth, was it was it wide?

530
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Anything you noticed it wasn't too overweight.

531
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:25.599
<v Speaker 2>But I kept remembering trying to look to see if

532
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.240
<v Speaker 2>I could see teeth, and then especially when it yelled,

533
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:33.079
<v Speaker 2>it opened its mouth, but I didn't see teeth. I

534
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:34.960
<v Speaker 2>was trying to see if it had like animal teeth

535
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.359
<v Speaker 2>or like human teeth, but I just never saw teeth.

536
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.759
<v Speaker 2>I remember I kept looking trying to see if I

537
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:41.759
<v Speaker 2>could see teeth, but I just never saw teeth.

538
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:46.519
<v Speaker 1>Okay, interesting, So there was never a like bearing teeth

539
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 1>at you or anything like that.

540
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:53.240
<v Speaker 2>No, No, the only the whole time it was just

541
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:56.759
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know if I like being watched, like

542
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:58.519
<v Speaker 2>if he was watching me, like you know I had

543
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.359
<v Speaker 2>like a security guard following me, or if he was

544
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 2>just watching me to make sure I wasn't like a threat,

545
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, just like he was doing security you know,

546
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:09.480
<v Speaker 2>like he's the one like, hey, you need I see you,

547
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.240
<v Speaker 2>like you better stay back, you know. But I never

548
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 2>during that whole incident, I never felt any threat. And

549
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.359
<v Speaker 2>even when he yelled when he hit his head, I

550
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:23.799
<v Speaker 2>didn't get scared, like he was.

551
00:30:23.799 --> 00:30:26.759
<v Speaker 1>Yelling at me big for society will be right back.

552
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:44.039
<v Speaker 1>After these messages, I.

553
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:46.559
<v Speaker 2>Could tell that obviously he was just he yelled at

554
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 2>the tree like he was at the tree like stud

555
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.720
<v Speaker 2>your dough. You know. It's just like an outburst, you know,

556
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:55.200
<v Speaker 2>from pain exactly, you know. But it wasn't directed. It

557
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:59.319
<v Speaker 2>wasn't he wasn't looking downward towards me when he yelled

558
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>or anything. It was directed towards me at all. So

559
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I never got that fear of, oh, you know, he's

560
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:07.119
<v Speaker 2>coming for me, you know anything like that.

561
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 1>Sure, different creatures have different ways of walking, right, every

562
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:16.920
<v Speaker 1>everything has its gait, its way of walking. Did you

563
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>notice anything about the way that the Andre creature was

564
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:24.400
<v Speaker 1>walking that You're like, man, that is really unique. There's

565
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:27.319
<v Speaker 1>something different about the way that it's moving.

566
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:33.759
<v Speaker 2>I just noticed that when it it started to walk.

567
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>After like I was just looking around and I first

568
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:40.559
<v Speaker 2>spotted it when it first started to pace me. When

569
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 2>I when I was like what and I started to

570
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:43.960
<v Speaker 2>walk and I was staring at it. Then when it

571
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.480
<v Speaker 2>first started to walk, it was limping, like if it

572
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:50.039
<v Speaker 2>was favoring one leg over the other, like a lot,

573
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:54.599
<v Speaker 2>like if one leg had an injury or something. You know,

574
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:58.119
<v Speaker 2>like if you like you got a cast on one foot,

575
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:00.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, with the one was walking boots or whatever,

576
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.960
<v Speaker 2>and you're just like walk in anyways. But you know

577
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:05.559
<v Speaker 2>one's not working, right.

578
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:09.319
<v Speaker 1>I gotcha, I gotcha. Uh did it have good posture

579
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.440
<v Speaker 1>at all? Or was it you know, no.

580
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.680
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of kind of slunched over a bit,

581
00:32:15.880 --> 00:32:20.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, wasn't It wasn't really like humped back, you know,

582
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:23.839
<v Speaker 2>like not tre dome, you know, but it looked like

583
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>it was the whole time. It was slunched a bit forward.

584
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:35.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's that's really interesting. So Artura, this is this

585
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:40.759
<v Speaker 1>is such an interesting one, and I almost have to ask, like,

586
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:43.759
<v Speaker 1>do you think you were looking at a bigfoot or

587
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.799
<v Speaker 1>a sasquatch or do you think you were looking at

588
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:46.480
<v Speaker 1>something else?

589
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 2>Uh? The whole thing of bigfoot and sasquatch never really

590
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>came to my mind until I started doing research. But

591
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.400
<v Speaker 2>what I thought, really, I thought I saw a caveman

592
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.359
<v Speaker 2>or like a giant, right because thinking to Andre the giant.

593
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:05.519
<v Speaker 2>So I started doing a lot of research on giants,

594
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I got found out about giganticism and

595
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.960
<v Speaker 2>things like that, and I thought it was maybe that

596
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:14.200
<v Speaker 2>for a little bit, But then a lot of the

597
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 2>research I was looking at that most people with giganticism

598
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.880
<v Speaker 2>don't live that long because they're you know, pituitary glands

599
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.920
<v Speaker 2>whatever their body is like overgrowing so quick that they

600
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:28.000
<v Speaker 2>most people die like in their twenties or thirties, you know,

601
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.720
<v Speaker 2>and this thing was really old man's status, you know,

602
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.519
<v Speaker 2>like there was you know, a normal human had there

603
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:36.880
<v Speaker 2>been eighties or nineties, you know, maybe pushing a hundred.

604
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.319
<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, there's no way this could be a

605
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>person with gigantism because they die so young, you know,

606
00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>because they're the way their body overgrows and they just

607
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:48.559
<v Speaker 2>can't handle it and their heart gives out. So I

608
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:51.079
<v Speaker 2>was looking at that, and then I started getting these

609
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:55.640
<v Speaker 2>stories about the giants that were found on Catalina Island

610
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:59.279
<v Speaker 2>and some of New Mexico in a cave that the

611
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 2>natives had battling for a while. And that kind of

612
00:34:02.400 --> 00:34:06.839
<v Speaker 2>caught my interest because they said that those the you know,

613
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:10.360
<v Speaker 2>tribe of giant people that the locals had been fighting,

614
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 2>had red hair, big red beards and long red hair,

615
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 2>and what I saw had kind of that reddish chocolate hair.

616
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:19.079
<v Speaker 2>So that so I started, you know, I started going

617
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.199
<v Speaker 2>down that path, you know, trying to find out about

618
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:26.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, these giants that had been supposedly you know

619
00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:29.679
<v Speaker 2>fighting the natives, and they cornered him in his cave,

620
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and instead of losing anybody else, they built a big

621
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.880
<v Speaker 2>giant fire in front of the cave to smoke him

622
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.199
<v Speaker 2>out and you know, just kill them by you know,

623
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:42.519
<v Speaker 2>carbon monoxide poisoning or whatever. And so that kind of

624
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 2>led me down that path for a while. And then

625
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.639
<v Speaker 2>and then from that it started turning towards cryptids, you know,

626
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:53.239
<v Speaker 2>doing research kind of. And then Bigfoot came up quite

627
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.000
<v Speaker 2>a bit of times, but I never really just put

628
00:34:56.039 --> 00:34:58.000
<v Speaker 2>my figure on it, say oh I saw the Bigfoot,

629
00:34:58.280 --> 00:35:01.079
<v Speaker 2>because in my mind, it's just, you know, was always

630
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:01.599
<v Speaker 2>a caveman.

631
00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's extremely interesting. Did you ever look to

632
00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:09.599
<v Speaker 1>see if there had been other sightings in that same

633
00:35:09.679 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 1>area of things that are the ordinary like what you saw?

634
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:20.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, well, let me get to the second part of

635
00:35:20.239 --> 00:35:22.360
<v Speaker 2>the Southern California thing. Oh.

636
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, after that.

637
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.239
<v Speaker 2>After that incident, I'm gonna say probably I was almost

638
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.400
<v Speaker 2>like exactly about fourteen years ago to the day, almost

639
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 2>my birthdays. We'll just say my birthday is this week,

640
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.760
<v Speaker 2>and it was the same week of my birthday in

641
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:43.119
<v Speaker 2>twenty ten, and I had made it out to my

642
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:47.719
<v Speaker 2>bushcraft shelters hang out overnight. And I was actually like

643
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.360
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of a breakup with the girlfriend and

644
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:52.159
<v Speaker 2>all that. I was like, you know, I'm just going

645
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.239
<v Speaker 2>to disappear for a while. I'm gonna go out in

646
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.280
<v Speaker 2>the woods, you know, unwine relaxed. So I got me

647
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:02.199
<v Speaker 2>a bottle of Jack Daniels and got me some mrs.

648
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.519
<v Speaker 2>For a couple of days, there's a freeze drive food.

649
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you know, I'm gonna go hang out the creek.

650
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.679
<v Speaker 2>And I was out there in southern California has a

651
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of wildfires, you know, it's the same with Oregon

652
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.079
<v Speaker 2>where I'm at currently. But there was night that I

653
00:36:16.119 --> 00:36:19.119
<v Speaker 2>was sitting there sleeping. I had just finished you know,

654
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.679
<v Speaker 2>hanging out, chilling and drinking, and I had a little

655
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:27.159
<v Speaker 2>portable bluetooth speaker with the MP three player that you know,

656
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.199
<v Speaker 2>you download the music whatever, and I listened to that

657
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 2>and my battery died on the MP three player. So

658
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:35.159
<v Speaker 2>I was like, well, I guess that's a wrap. You know,

659
00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 2>it's it's time to go to bed. So I had

660
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 2>laid down in the little raised bed I'd built in

661
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:44.679
<v Speaker 2>my shelter, and I had a small fire going in

662
00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:47.559
<v Speaker 2>my shelter, but like in the cave entrance part to

663
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:49.559
<v Speaker 2>where you know, like I was saying, the smoke would

664
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 2>pull away and all that, I just get a little

665
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.360
<v Speaker 2>little radiant heat, little light. But it was like a

666
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.119
<v Speaker 2>really hot night, so I wasn't really had a big

667
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.480
<v Speaker 2>fire going, so I could smell the smoke from my fire,

668
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.719
<v Speaker 2>but not really too bad. And I'd been laying down

669
00:37:01.760 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 2>for about a half hours, almost asleep, and then I

670
00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 2>heard like a thump the side of my shelter. I

671
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.039
<v Speaker 2>was like, what was that? Is like if a bird

672
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:13.639
<v Speaker 2>flew into the side or something. And I was thinking, oh, well,

673
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of owls around there, and there's a

674
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of bats from the caves around there, and I

675
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 2>was like, way, be a howl or bird or something

676
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:25.320
<v Speaker 2>flew into the shelter. About a minute goes by, I

677
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.960
<v Speaker 2>heard another one, another one. Then it starts getting louder,

678
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's like a more faster, just like a rapid

679
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:33.880
<v Speaker 2>pace of things hitting the side of my shelter. I

680
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:35.360
<v Speaker 2>guess to the point where I could hear the things

681
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.760
<v Speaker 2>hitting my shelter and then kind of rolling the way

682
00:37:39.000 --> 00:37:41.360
<v Speaker 2>down the slope. So I was like, so we're throwing

683
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:44.159
<v Speaker 2>rocks at my you know, at my spot. I was like,

684
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:46.880
<v Speaker 2>what the And by then I had already stopped carrying

685
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:50.239
<v Speaker 2>my Ruger ten twenty two and started carrying my glock

686
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:54.760
<v Speaker 2>to forty five APC with some heavy hard cast bullets,

687
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.599
<v Speaker 2>some buffalo boards, you know, plus beefs, you know, some

688
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.679
<v Speaker 2>bear stopping rounds, because they had only been a lot

689
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.280
<v Speaker 2>of spottings of mountain lions in the area and a

690
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.719
<v Speaker 2>couple mountain biers that had been attacked on the Orange

691
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:10.199
<v Speaker 2>County side of the mountain. So I had my pistol.

692
00:38:10.199 --> 00:38:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I was like, you know, I'm gonna go outside, maybe

693
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:15.159
<v Speaker 2>just pop around off on the dirt, chase the people off,

694
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:20.320
<v Speaker 2>and then go to sleep. And then there became an

695
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.159
<v Speaker 2>urgency to it. Right as I'm like trying to debate

696
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:23.719
<v Speaker 2>whether or not to go out of the shelter and

697
00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:26.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe yell, scream a little bit or whatever,

698
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, all right, well, something's got to be done.

699
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 2>So right as I'm like putting my headlamp on and

700
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>turning the light on on my firearm, I go to

701
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:42.239
<v Speaker 2>stand up in the shelter and there's a pause for

702
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.360
<v Speaker 2>a minute and then it rock hits my shelter. That

703
00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.280
<v Speaker 2>was so big it broke the wall down on the

704
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 2>entry like could be the I don't know, the southwest

705
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.840
<v Speaker 2>corner of my structure, but the very outside corner there's

706
00:38:56.880 --> 00:38:59.840
<v Speaker 2>a couple pieces of timber that came out further right.

707
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Things off on the outside, you know, hanging Europe or

708
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 2>swimming in the creek, you know, hang up the shorts

709
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:07.960
<v Speaker 2>up pair to dry off or whatever. But a rock

710
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.039
<v Speaker 2>had got thrown out the shelter that was so big,

711
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.960
<v Speaker 2>so hard that it ripped that whole wall and my

712
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.960
<v Speaker 2>shelter open. So all of a sudden, I'm standing there

713
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:19.920
<v Speaker 2>and the whole left wall my shelter just gets ripped open,

714
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:24.880
<v Speaker 2>leans over and as the boards are like still attached

715
00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.519
<v Speaker 2>together because I had used a pair of cord five

716
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:31.760
<v Speaker 2>fifty cord to lasso the walls together, but it hit

717
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:34.559
<v Speaker 2>hard enough or it ripped out all the pair of

718
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.599
<v Speaker 2>cord up and down the steam. The wall stayed intact,

719
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:40.079
<v Speaker 2>and it just ripped the wall open, like two feet

720
00:39:40.199 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 2>three feet open. That's when I was like, what could

721
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 2>possibly do that? Like you had to hit it with

722
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 2>the truck or something. So I go swing the do

723
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.039
<v Speaker 2>open to go out of the shelter, and I looked

724
00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:52.599
<v Speaker 2>to that side because that's where the wall came off.

725
00:39:53.000 --> 00:39:54.760
<v Speaker 2>It was pitch black, nothing, and then I realized that

726
00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:57.360
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of smoke everywhere. I look back to

727
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:01.239
<v Speaker 2>the right that's going down the valley wards where the

728
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:03.840
<v Speaker 2>road is where I hike in, and I noticed that

729
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:07.400
<v Speaker 2>the whole hillside is on fire, all the way up

730
00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.519
<v Speaker 2>the valley, all the way up the creek, where my

731
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.760
<v Speaker 2>whole path where I go to get in there is

732
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:16.840
<v Speaker 2>completely on fire. Then fire's coming up the hill. You know,

733
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.199
<v Speaker 2>it comes uphill a lot quicker than down here, but

734
00:40:19.239 --> 00:40:22.519
<v Speaker 2>the fire's coming uphill towards me. So I freak out,

735
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.800
<v Speaker 2>get in my shelter. I throw on my this Alice

736
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.360
<v Speaker 2>pack I'd gotten from a buddy. Then Military is my

737
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.880
<v Speaker 2>favorite pack. But anyways, I throw my Alice pack on

738
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:34.639
<v Speaker 2>go out of the shelter. I'm looking around, looking around,

739
00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what's going on. That's when I

740
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:41.599
<v Speaker 2>see this massive rock on the floor that's like over

741
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:45.039
<v Speaker 2>a foot maybe foot and a half a diameter, laying

742
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:48.239
<v Speaker 2>right outside on the side of the wall the shelter.

743
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:51.000
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, that rock is what broke the wall.

744
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And then I started thinking what could have thrown that rock.

745
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:56.280
<v Speaker 2>You know how that rock could have fallen off the hill,

746
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:58.639
<v Speaker 2>would have came down and hit the roof of my shelter.

747
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:01.519
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's all thrown from an angle from like

748
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:04.400
<v Speaker 2>from the creek. I'm looking at this big rock. I

749
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.639
<v Speaker 2>freak out. I see the fire getting closer. I'm just

750
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:11.360
<v Speaker 2>like screw this. Started going up the valley, up the

751
00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:16.039
<v Speaker 2>hill towards where the dried out waterfalls were, and they

752
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:18.079
<v Speaker 2>had a rope that was tied to the side, and

753
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.079
<v Speaker 2>sometimes in the waters high the kids will go up

754
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.039
<v Speaker 2>there and swing off the rope and jump into the creek.

755
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:26.320
<v Speaker 2>But I knew if I got to where that rope was,

756
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:29.039
<v Speaker 2>I could pull myself up the dry waterfall and I'd

757
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.960
<v Speaker 2>beat to an area that was only grass and dirt,

758
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and there was no trees or shrubs, you know, nothing

759
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:37.159
<v Speaker 2>made her to catch fire. So I made my way

760
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.320
<v Speaker 2>over there, and I got over there, and I was

761
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.920
<v Speaker 2>having a lot of difficulty firing that rope. I was

762
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:44.639
<v Speaker 2>looking in a panic stake. You know, I'm already out

763
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.000
<v Speaker 2>of breath. You know. I just hooked it like a

764
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.360
<v Speaker 2>good you know, quarter mile, half a mile as quick

765
00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:53.800
<v Speaker 2>as I could to get to that waterfall as the

766
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:56.840
<v Speaker 2>fire fall of me. Then I started noticing the hillsides

767
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.760
<v Speaker 2>around me. I could see some light from the fire trucks,

768
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:04.039
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't see a water dropping helicopter, but usually

769
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:06.280
<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't drop water at night. Usually the only fly

770
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.440
<v Speaker 2>in the daytime. So I'm like looking around, looking around.

771
00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.760
<v Speaker 2>I finally find the rope, get up that little waterfall.

772
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I get to a dry flat spot and then I

773
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:17.239
<v Speaker 2>just sit down in the dirt and I'm watching the

774
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.000
<v Speaker 2>fire go up through the up through the little valley

775
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:22.199
<v Speaker 2>and then exactly where that band was when my shelter was.

776
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 2>That whole thing just burst into flames ript roaring, and

777
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting up there on the dirt looking watching my

778
00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:32.000
<v Speaker 2>whole shelters burn to the ground. And then I was

779
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of just like shocked at all, man. I just

780
00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:36.679
<v Speaker 2>all that work I've been putting into for you know,

781
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 2>six seven months building that shelter, It's just burnt to nothing.

782
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:43.559
<v Speaker 2>And then I started thinking about, well, what through that rock.

783
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.800
<v Speaker 2>And then right as I'm thinking that, my dog does

784
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:49.400
<v Speaker 2>this thing where he just kind of starts flipping out,

785
00:42:49.440 --> 00:42:52.239
<v Speaker 2>like you hears something. My dog goes taking off running again.

786
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I was like dude, get back here, get back here,

787
00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 2>and he goes taking off, running kind of towards the fire.

788
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:00.440
<v Speaker 2>And then I was thinking that was Andre. That had

789
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.519
<v Speaker 2>to have been Andre. That was, you know, throwing those

790
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:05.960
<v Speaker 2>little rocks at my shelter, trying to like warn me,

791
00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.440
<v Speaker 2>and I was just ignoring it. So that's when it

792
00:43:08.559 --> 00:43:12.000
<v Speaker 2>just threw that massive rock and just busted the whole

793
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 2>wall down to tell me, like, hey, get out of there,

794
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, you gotta go. And then that's when I

795
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.079
<v Speaker 2>was like, that thing just saved me. A thing just

796
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:21.960
<v Speaker 2>saved my life, you know. Then I came over this

797
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:26.280
<v Speaker 2>like overwhelming like emotional feelings where like I almost busted

798
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 2>down in tears, almost crying. I'm just sitting there and

799
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:31.920
<v Speaker 2>I just sat there on that ridge all night till

800
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.119
<v Speaker 2>the sun came up, watching the watching everything burned down.

801
00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:38.519
<v Speaker 2>And that morning, once the sun was up real good,

802
00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I was able to find a nice path to hike out,

803
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:45.679
<v Speaker 2>and hiked out and left and I've never been there since,

804
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's been almost about fourteen years since the day.

805
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:55.119
<v Speaker 1>That is incredible. I mean, it honestly sounds like Andre

806
00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:56.199
<v Speaker 1>wanted you saved.

807
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:03.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I can't if anything else that would have. You know,

808
00:44:03.239 --> 00:44:05.679
<v Speaker 2>I was capable of doing that, you know, or would

809
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 2>have done that, you know, just the physical ability of

810
00:44:09.280 --> 00:44:11.719
<v Speaker 2>lifting the rock that large and throwing it so hard

811
00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 2>that it busted a whole wall off my shelter. You know,

812
00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I built that thing well, you know.

813
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Is there a reason that you haven't been back

814
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:24.719
<v Speaker 1>in fourteen years or it just just hasn't happened.

815
00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, after everything burned down, I was so confused about

816
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.920
<v Speaker 2>what Andre was and all that, you know, And I,

817
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.280
<v Speaker 2>like I said, never felt threatened by him. But I

818
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.079
<v Speaker 2>was like, well, if there's one, there might be more,

819
00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.920
<v Speaker 2>And what if the other ones aren't looking out for me?

820
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, this was able to do so much stuff

821
00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:51.559
<v Speaker 2>to help save me, protect my life. You know, how

822
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:54.000
<v Speaker 2>quick could one of those take my life? You know,

823
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.320
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, my forty five didn't seem like

824
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.639
<v Speaker 2>it was going to do anything, you know, so I

825
00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>just got real cautious and I was like, you know,

826
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I got to figure out what's out there, you know,

827
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:09.760
<v Speaker 2>And I started getting close to there, like, and I

828
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:12.079
<v Speaker 2>had a neighbor that worked in those orchards over there

829
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.400
<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the hill, and we were talking

830
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:18.400
<v Speaker 2>about the fire. One day and he was an older bicycay,

831
00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:21.159
<v Speaker 2>older Mexican guy. I'm half Mexican, and we were talking

832
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:24.280
<v Speaker 2>in Spanish and then he was telling me. He was like,

833
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.440
<v Speaker 2>oh and I saw him like, oh, I had a little,

834
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, a little cabin there and all that. And

835
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.840
<v Speaker 2>then he said, oh, we'll be careful when you're out there.

836
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:34.840
<v Speaker 2>And I said, well why and then he's like, oh, well,

837
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.079
<v Speaker 2>he said, you know, and that's when he said, he said, hey,

838
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:41.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, the the mountain people were there and all that, Like,

839
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:44.039
<v Speaker 2>were you talking about? You know, I didn't acknowledge anything

840
00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.719
<v Speaker 2>of you know, what I saw Andre, And then he

841
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:50.159
<v Speaker 2>just said, oh, there's there's just some big scary people there,

842
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:53.119
<v Speaker 2>so we just we avoid that area. He's like, yeah,

843
00:45:53.199 --> 00:45:55.559
<v Speaker 2>just be careful when you're out there. You know. That's

844
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:59.559
<v Speaker 2>the only reference that I heard from anybody of you know,

845
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:02.239
<v Speaker 2>anything being in that area.

846
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Wow, it sounds like sounds like you knew something was

847
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 1>going on for sure. That is really interesting. I think

848
00:46:12.239 --> 00:46:16.280
<v Speaker 1>this interview might open up so I'm not sure what

849
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:21.400
<v Speaker 1>to think about our turo. This is a really really

850
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 1>interesting one to be interesting to see what the comments

851
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:25.199
<v Speaker 1>are like on this one.

852
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:25.800
<v Speaker 2>For sure.

853
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Man, I've never heard it described like that before. Just

854
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:37.320
<v Speaker 1>the way it looks. It's really weird. Thank you for sharing.

855
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:39.800
<v Speaker 2>No problem.

856
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:47.039
<v Speaker 1>The one that we were talking about before a few

857
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:57.039
<v Speaker 1>hours ago. That Yeah, that one is incredibly I want

858
00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 1>to hear the whole story of this one coming up.

859
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, Well fast forward to this Actually happened

860
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.159
<v Speaker 2>like at the beginning of the whole Rona deal and

861
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:11.159
<v Speaker 2>all that, you know, during lockdowns and all that. But

862
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:15.840
<v Speaker 2>prior to that, I had been working for a sanitation

863
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:21.719
<v Speaker 2>company doing porta potties and pumping out RVs and holding

864
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:24.239
<v Speaker 2>tanks and things like that for one of the larger

865
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 2>companies in southern Oregon. But I had a pretty thorough

866
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:34.119
<v Speaker 2>background and off roading and things like that. And the

867
00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.320
<v Speaker 2>boss found out that, you know, I had a lot

868
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:40.519
<v Speaker 2>of you know, skills with the equipment in you know,

869
00:47:40.760 --> 00:47:45.280
<v Speaker 2>deep woods, sand trained, desert, snow mud, you know, the

870
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 2>red clay, all kinds of stuff. And I was one

871
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:50.320
<v Speaker 2>of the newer guys and they had sent me on

872
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:53.679
<v Speaker 2>a call to where a lot of people had gotten

873
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:55.880
<v Speaker 2>stuck in the trucks because those trucks are pretty heavy,

874
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, most of them. We have about a thousand

875
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:02.039
<v Speaker 2>gallon holding tank and maybe four hundred gallon freshwater tank

876
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.679
<v Speaker 2>for cleaning the units out and refilling the water and

877
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:07.679
<v Speaker 2>all that. But they're pretty heavy. Most of them are

878
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.480
<v Speaker 2>only tool driving fibers get stuck everywhere. And the boss

879
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:13.800
<v Speaker 2>was just tired and paying toe bills to recover all

880
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:15.519
<v Speaker 2>these trucks. And then he said, hey, one of the

881
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:17.880
<v Speaker 2>guys said that, you know, you know your you know

882
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.079
<v Speaker 2>your way around off road and all that, and I

883
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:22.199
<v Speaker 2>said yeah, and he said, hey, we got a bunch

884
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:24.400
<v Speaker 2>of units toilets. This guy had that paid his bill

885
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:27.159
<v Speaker 2>in months, and we sent a couple of people out

886
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:29.559
<v Speaker 2>there to pick them up. But everybody gets stuck trying

887
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:31.719
<v Speaker 2>to get out there. You know, you think you could

888
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.679
<v Speaker 2>do it. So I went out there and lower tire pressure,

889
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.119
<v Speaker 2>used low gears and everything, and with the two wheel

890
00:48:37.239 --> 00:48:40.760
<v Speaker 2>drive three fifty, I got out there, got the units,

891
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:43.480
<v Speaker 2>bought them back, and then from that day on, after

892
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.119
<v Speaker 2>that first week of working, they're like all the rural

893
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:50.239
<v Speaker 2>mountain routes and all the four off locations, those became

894
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:55.880
<v Speaker 2>my routes. There was this valley in southern Oregon where

895
00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:59.719
<v Speaker 2>quite a bit of grow sites and there's a lot

896
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:03.400
<v Speaker 2>of gold mines. You know a lot of claims out there,

897
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:07.239
<v Speaker 2>but it was all off four service roads and little

898
00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:10.039
<v Speaker 2>plots of private property, but most of it was in

899
00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the you know US Forestry Service and things like that,

900
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:16.639
<v Speaker 2>or off the edges of you know, state parks and stuff.

901
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 2>So I ended up getting this route going out to

902
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.480
<v Speaker 2>these locations where basically you go to these locations, the

903
00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 2>directions would be, you know, three quarters a mile down

904
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:27.880
<v Speaker 2>this road and you see fork in the road, you know,

905
00:49:27.960 --> 00:49:31.840
<v Speaker 2>look for the tree maker right, you know, go down

906
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:36.320
<v Speaker 2>to the you know, abandoned double wide, make a left.

907
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.199
<v Speaker 2>You know, they're all no addresses or anything like that.

908
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.760
<v Speaker 2>And I got real good at navigating out there, and

909
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:45.599
<v Speaker 2>over a point of about four and a half five

910
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:48.960
<v Speaker 2>year period of going out to these real rural sites

911
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:53.599
<v Speaker 2>where whether they're gold mining or growing, security is like

912
00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:57.480
<v Speaker 2>of the utmost thing. Like everybody there's real, you know,

913
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:04.039
<v Speaker 2>real unfriendly to newcomers and outsiders and all that. And

914
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:06.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, people will start driving up the hill and

915
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:08.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the people they'd get on their CB

916
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:10.760
<v Speaker 2>radios start talking like, hey, there's you know, a white

917
00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.639
<v Speaker 2>truck coming up the hill. You know, anybody expected visitors

918
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.599
<v Speaker 2>or we see a new vehicle or you know there's

919
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.639
<v Speaker 2>a sheriff on the highway or whatever it was. Everybody

920
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:21.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of watched out for each other because they all

921
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.280
<v Speaker 2>had their things going on, you know, legal or unlegal,

922
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>but everybody was real hushed about it. But uh, no

923
00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:31.639
<v Speaker 2>matter how tight security is, you know, everybody loves the guy.

924
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.400
<v Speaker 2>You know. That's one thing you need. You know, all

925
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.239
<v Speaker 2>those growth sites, gold mines, they all have porta potties

926
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.639
<v Speaker 2>or RVs that need to be pumped out, you know,

927
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:42.880
<v Speaker 2>so like you go up the mountain to service them.

928
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:44.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, some would be on a weekly basis and

929
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.719
<v Speaker 2>would be once a month, you know, depending on what

930
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:52.320
<v Speaker 2>was going on. But you know, being being the porta

931
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:54.159
<v Speaker 2>partty guy, you get access to a lot of spots

932
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:57.960
<v Speaker 2>where nobody's allowed it. You know. I became pretty close

933
00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:59.840
<v Speaker 2>friends with a lot of these old timers up there,

934
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:06.360
<v Speaker 2>and one of them, uh we'll just say, uh, there

935
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:10.079
<v Speaker 2>are a lot of old like Vietnam vets and things

936
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:12.719
<v Speaker 2>like that, majority of them and a couple of Moon

937
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:17.239
<v Speaker 2>sinners up there. But uh, there's one gentleman in particular

938
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.880
<v Speaker 2>that when I used to go start services site, he

939
00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.119
<v Speaker 2>had a old camper trailer that hadn't been from like

940
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:27.000
<v Speaker 2>the seventies or eighties falling apart, just you know, the

941
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.840
<v Speaker 2>whole roof was like three tarps, you know, glued on

942
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:35.960
<v Speaker 2>duck dape. He had this old Dodge pick up and uh,

943
00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:38.159
<v Speaker 2>just really run down camp. But I'd go out there

944
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:41.079
<v Speaker 2>and he had a porta party that I would service,

945
00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:44.480
<v Speaker 2>and then he also had his harve that i'd pump out,

946
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:48.719
<v Speaker 2>and when the winter had come, we'd get good enough

947
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:52.320
<v Speaker 2>snow and all that that that even the customers up

948
00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:54.119
<v Speaker 2>there would have trouble getting out, so they kind of

949
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:56.960
<v Speaker 2>stock upon supplies for you know, a month and a half,

950
00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:59.480
<v Speaker 2>two month periods sometimes where they couldn't get out either.

951
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:02.840
<v Speaker 2>And but basically the way to get service did either

952
00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:05.760
<v Speaker 2>be on a set schedule or they'd call for service,

953
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:10.159
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes they wouldn't be able to you know, call

954
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:12.000
<v Speaker 2>for service. Whatever would be in the area, and if

955
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.280
<v Speaker 2>it was kind of customer we were used to going to,

956
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:16.360
<v Speaker 2>the boss would be like, oh, we'll swing by a

957
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.239
<v Speaker 2>X location see if they need service, you know, while

958
00:52:19.280 --> 00:52:23.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm up there, you know. And at one point winter

959
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:26.440
<v Speaker 2>had started passing, and I came back up at the

960
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:30.440
<v Speaker 2>beginning of the next spring, and I noticed that that

961
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.480
<v Speaker 2>the whole guy. We'll just stay Whiskey Pete whatever, because

962
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:37.320
<v Speaker 2>he did his own shine, moonshine and all that stuff too.

963
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:40.039
<v Speaker 2>But Whiskey Pete. I go up to Whiskey Pete and

964
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.239
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have this beat up old Dodge ram anymore

965
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.639
<v Speaker 2>in his nineteen seventies trailer. All of a sudden, he's

966
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 2>got a brand new four F five fifty super duty

967
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 2>four by four. His old beat up John Deere tractor

968
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:56.920
<v Speaker 2>he has. Now he's got brand new skid steer, like

969
00:52:56.960 --> 00:53:01.320
<v Speaker 2>a forty foot big text trailer with a brand new

970
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Kbota tractor sitting on there, and really nice fifth wheel trailer,

971
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:08.280
<v Speaker 2>all brand like, all equipment, everything on the whole site

972
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:10.239
<v Speaker 2>was all brand new everything. And I'm like, hey, what's

973
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 2>going on? Bro? I was like, I thought I was

974
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:14.559
<v Speaker 2>at the wrong spot, and I started talking to him

975
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.039
<v Speaker 2>and then he just told me, He's like, yeah, things

976
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.159
<v Speaker 2>have been crazy around here, you know, that's why, so

977
00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:20.559
<v Speaker 2>why I came to meet you at the bottom. I

978
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.760
<v Speaker 2>was just sure who was coming up and their whole

979
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:25.880
<v Speaker 2>normal paranoid thing, and that's when I was kind of confusing.

980
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.880
<v Speaker 2>He came down with that brand new F five fifty.

981
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.800
<v Speaker 2>So I ended up going up there go to pump

982
00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:33.159
<v Speaker 2>out his new trailer and all I'm looking around, like, dude,

983
00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:34.760
<v Speaker 2>how did you get all this stuff? And then he

984
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:36.800
<v Speaker 2>told me he's just like, hey man, and a lot

985
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:38.119
<v Speaker 2>of the guys want to talk to each other a

986
00:53:38.159 --> 00:53:40.679
<v Speaker 2>lot of things, but like everybody saw me as an outsiders,

987
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.199
<v Speaker 2>like you know, the safe guy, you know, the porta

988
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:45.800
<v Speaker 2>potty guy, so they confided me a lot of things.

989
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:47.159
<v Speaker 2>And he just tells me, he's like, hey man, I

990
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.440
<v Speaker 2>hit a vein. I said, what does that mean. He's like, dude,

991
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:53.199
<v Speaker 2>I found some gold. I was like, you say that

992
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:54.960
<v Speaker 2>every week when I'm up here, you know. And he's like, no,

993
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:57.760
<v Speaker 2>I found gold. I s how I bought all this stuff.

994
00:53:58.159 --> 00:53:59.760
<v Speaker 2>And he's telling me that, yeah, I've already sent a

995
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:02.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of money to my family. And he's like, but yeah,

996
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I hit a vein. And I'm like, all right, well,

997
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:07.880
<v Speaker 2>cool man, congrats and all that stuff. And I was like,

998
00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:09.559
<v Speaker 2>that was just a lot of equipment, you know, just

999
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:11.159
<v Speaker 2>that f I fifty. I was like, I don't know,

1000
00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:14.039
<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand dollars truck, you know. And he was

1001
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:16.800
<v Speaker 2>telling me, he's like, everything's paid in full. That's when

1002
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:18.519
<v Speaker 2>I was like, man, man, he really did get lucky.

1003
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:22.280
<v Speaker 2>And then when I really started like setting in and

1004
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:24.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm like all right, well, you know it's gonna be

1005
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:26.840
<v Speaker 2>a while before I see him again, I'm like, all right, well,

1006
00:54:26.880 --> 00:54:29.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I dropped off a holding tank fir him.

1007
00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:31.840
<v Speaker 2>It's a large, like one hundred and fifty gallon tank

1008
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:33.960
<v Speaker 2>you just put on the floor and run your RV

1009
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.639
<v Speaker 2>to it for a little extra you know, storage to

1010
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.360
<v Speaker 2>last through the snow. And then I was getting ready

1011
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:42.719
<v Speaker 2>to leave and then the guy gave me a three

1012
00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:45.360
<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars tip, right, and I'm like sweet man, and

1013
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:46.920
<v Speaker 2>he's like, yeah, you know, get something for the kids

1014
00:54:46.960 --> 00:54:49.239
<v Speaker 2>for Christmas. I'm like cool, man. I had a lot

1015
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.400
<v Speaker 2>of customers who would dipped me twenty bucks here and there,

1016
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 2>or you know, hey, we're barbecuing, you know, you want

1017
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:55.719
<v Speaker 2>some ribs or something like that. But I'd never really

1018
00:54:55.760 --> 00:54:59.159
<v Speaker 2>gotten any large tips before, so I was like, all right, cool.

1019
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.079
<v Speaker 2>I pocketed it and anything, and I took off, went

1020
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.199
<v Speaker 2>on route, started talking to other people. And as soon

1021
00:55:04.239 --> 00:55:07.159
<v Speaker 2>as I started going to the other pro sites and

1022
00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:12.000
<v Speaker 2>too the other you know, mining claims, everybody started drilling

1023
00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:14.360
<v Speaker 2>me questions right away, like hey, what did you see

1024
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:16.760
<v Speaker 2>up there? What's going on? But I'm like, no, I

1025
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:18.920
<v Speaker 2>went up there service for them. They're like, hey, did

1026
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.119
<v Speaker 2>you see where you know? Where's the new tractor? Where's

1027
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the people were asking all these questions like what's going on, dude,

1028
00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:25.880
<v Speaker 2>like for reals, and they said, oh, well, we know

1029
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:29.559
<v Speaker 2>he found gold, but he's he's basically closed off the camp.

1030
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Nobody's come up here with the camp for a while.

1031
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:33.960
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't let anybody in anymore, like or like you're

1032
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the first person who's been up there in the months.

1033
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:38.639
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't let anybody in there anymore, and he barely

1034
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 2>gets on the radio to communicate anymore. And I'm like,

1035
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:43.559
<v Speaker 2>oh no, I'm like I don't know. He's doing his

1036
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:45.559
<v Speaker 2>thing or Whateverybody didn't really want to talk about it,

1037
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and uh, I just finished the route whatever. Winter I

1038
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:53.639
<v Speaker 2>end up wrapping up. I am not going up there

1039
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:55.960
<v Speaker 2>for like about two months or so. I went back

1040
00:55:56.039 --> 00:56:01.800
<v Speaker 2>up there, and the gentleman, the same whisky Pete, came

1041
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:03.480
<v Speaker 2>at me with the offer and he said, hey, man,

1042
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:05.519
<v Speaker 2>I've been people who have been trying to rob me.

1043
00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:07.360
<v Speaker 2>You know. He's like, I can't even go down the

1044
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:10.320
<v Speaker 2>mountain now without people stopping me, trying to rob me.

1045
00:56:11.960 --> 00:56:15.440
<v Speaker 2>And then I noticed that he had a AK forty

1046
00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:18.519
<v Speaker 2>seven pistol at draco just slung over her side and

1047
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.119
<v Speaker 2>he just had it on him. And before that I'd

1048
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.800
<v Speaker 2>see him carry a revolver once in a while, you know.

1049
00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.639
<v Speaker 2>But he was like really getting scared, you know. He

1050
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:29.840
<v Speaker 2>was like really high up in intensity. And he told me, yeah,

1051
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:31.480
<v Speaker 2>he's like I've been doing real good. And he said, hey,

1052
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:33.280
<v Speaker 2>I need you to talk to your boss about something.

1053
00:56:33.880 --> 00:56:35.559
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you're the only person who can get up

1054
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and down this mountain without question. And he's like, hey man,

1055
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:42.280
<v Speaker 2>And he showed me this big concrete slab with it

1056
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:44.960
<v Speaker 2>just looked kind of like a sludge and whatever shit

1057
00:56:45.039 --> 00:56:47.280
<v Speaker 2>on there, with some water on it. And he told me,

1058
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:49.199
<v Speaker 2>he's like, hey, do you think your truck could pump

1059
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.079
<v Speaker 2>this stuff up? I said, yeah, it's just you know,

1060
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:55.880
<v Speaker 2>this is no big rock, so you know clogged the

1061
00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.320
<v Speaker 2>clogged the pump up or the valve. Yeah, you know,

1062
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:00.519
<v Speaker 2>it sucked that into the tank. I was like, is

1063
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:03.800
<v Speaker 2>that suwage or what? He said, No, it's uh, you know,

1064
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:05.880
<v Speaker 2>he's like, it's tailings whatever, it's crushed. He said, there's

1065
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:08.679
<v Speaker 2>golden here. So there's golden there. And he's like, yeah,

1066
00:57:08.679 --> 00:57:10.400
<v Speaker 2>it's not hasn't been cleaned out yet, but there's a

1067
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:13.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of golden here. And the guy was trying to

1068
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.000
<v Speaker 2>convince me to ask my boss if I could take

1069
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:20.280
<v Speaker 2>a load up there, just pump out this big slab

1070
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:23.119
<v Speaker 2>with the sludge and water on it, and then take

1071
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:26.880
<v Speaker 2>it to a you know, undisclosed location. They said, they's

1072
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.760
<v Speaker 2>gonna be probably about one hundred miles away, and then

1073
00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:31.800
<v Speaker 2>just dump out the whole holding tank. He said, yeah,

1074
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:35.079
<v Speaker 2>come up here, empty, you know, close the takeout, clean

1075
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:37.840
<v Speaker 2>it out, come up here. Just suck this whole ground up.

1076
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Take it to the place. And he's I'll tell your boss,

1077
00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:43.159
<v Speaker 2>I'll give him five thousand bucks. I'll give you five

1078
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:45.679
<v Speaker 2>thousand bucks. You know, it's one hundred mile drive. And

1079
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:48.199
<v Speaker 2>I was like, that's good money, you know, sucking up

1080
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:49.800
<v Speaker 2>this and I was like, this is really I'm staring

1081
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:51.559
<v Speaker 2>at it. I don't see any gold in there, but

1082
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:53.199
<v Speaker 2>he's telling me there's a lot of gold in there.

1083
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:55.599
<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, yeah, I'll talk to my boss about it.

1084
00:57:55.679 --> 00:57:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Talk to my boss about He said, no way, we're

1085
00:57:57.400 --> 00:58:00.840
<v Speaker 2>not doing nothing with it, forget about it. I'm like,

1086
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:03.400
<v Speaker 2>all right, cool, conversation done. I went back to the

1087
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:05.239
<v Speaker 2>next week, told him, hey, I can't do nothing. You know,

1088
00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:07.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe call a different septic company and maybe can talk

1089
00:58:07.840 --> 00:58:10.000
<v Speaker 2>somebody else into it, but Boston can let me use equipment.

1090
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:14.679
<v Speaker 2>He's like, all right, So that passes in. I'm really

1091
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:17.119
<v Speaker 2>really like, man, this guy's really got a lot of

1092
00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:20.000
<v Speaker 2>gold going on. If he's trying to have it pumped

1093
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:23.159
<v Speaker 2>into a sewage truck to transport it down the mountain

1094
00:58:23.199 --> 00:58:26.280
<v Speaker 2>without anybody knowing that, he's bringing gold out of his sight.

1095
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.039
<v Speaker 2>So then I'm like, this is getting crazy with this guy.

1096
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:31.760
<v Speaker 2>That's gold, right, He's got a lot of gold. You know.

1097
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:34.639
<v Speaker 2>Me and myself, I went paying once or twice in

1098
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.320
<v Speaker 2>the creek. I never even found a spectacle, not a flight, nothing,

1099
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:41.480
<v Speaker 2>you know. So I'm like, all right, whatever. A little

1100
00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:46.480
<v Speaker 2>while goes on later and I'm maybe two three months passed.

1101
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:48.800
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't call. He's a call for servers, AND's a

1102
00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 2>call for servers, and there's my boss is like, hey,

1103
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:53.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, why don't you go up there? Take a look.

1104
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:55.760
<v Speaker 2>I go to go up there. The whole entry gate

1105
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.480
<v Speaker 2>is like barricaded, off. He's got a bunch of big

1106
00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:00.800
<v Speaker 2>boulders in the front, and then his track parked behind

1107
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:03.559
<v Speaker 2>the boulders. Like, there's no way I'm getting up there.

1108
00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:05.599
<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, all right, skip it, mark it off

1109
00:59:05.599 --> 00:59:09.119
<v Speaker 2>as a you know, lockate, no service, go leave. Winter

1110
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.280
<v Speaker 2>comes around again, so now it's about a year since

1111
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:15.719
<v Speaker 2>he's you know, hit a vein as he put it

1112
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.679
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and the boss says, hey, you need to

1113
00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:20.519
<v Speaker 2>go up there. We haven't services guy for a while.

1114
00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So I get up there. I go to service him,

1115
00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:28.599
<v Speaker 2>and the gates open, those bowlers are moved, and the

1116
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:31.960
<v Speaker 2>tractor's just like off to the side, almost like in

1117
00:59:32.000 --> 00:59:34.159
<v Speaker 2>the ditch, like half in the ditch. I drive up there,

1118
00:59:34.280 --> 00:59:38.599
<v Speaker 2>look around. His whole camp is just tossed up. There's

1119
00:59:38.639 --> 00:59:41.719
<v Speaker 2>just equipment laid over all. His shipping containers are open,

1120
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:46.719
<v Speaker 2>wide open, things thrown on the floor everything. I'm like,

1121
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:49.599
<v Speaker 2>what's going on. I'm like, well, obviously, you know, I'm

1122
00:59:49.880 --> 00:59:52.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm hitting the horn. He doesn't come out, and I'm like, yeah,

1123
00:59:52.480 --> 00:59:55.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, something wrong here. I'm leaving. I turn around,

1124
00:59:55.199 --> 01:00:00.199
<v Speaker 2>I leave, I go to the next spot, and we'll

1125
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:02.960
<v Speaker 2>just call this guy the preacher, right, So I go

1126
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:07.840
<v Speaker 2>to the preacher's mining claim. Very religious man, and so

1127
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:11.760
<v Speaker 2>is a whiskey Pete and I go over there, and

1128
01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen this guy take a sit for alcohol

1129
01:00:15.199 --> 01:00:19.119
<v Speaker 2>or smoke or anything the pastors. I go over the pastors.

1130
01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:21.639
<v Speaker 2>He's sitting on his front porch. This guy smashed. He

1131
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:25.920
<v Speaker 2>just hammered, just like plastered, drunk, like what's going on?

1132
01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:29.320
<v Speaker 2>And you know, and he's just crying. He starts crying.

1133
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.400
<v Speaker 2>He's like bawling crying. And he starts confiding in me

1134
01:00:33.440 --> 01:00:35.400
<v Speaker 2>that he feels so bad and he doesn't know if

1135
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:37.840
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna get into heaven now because is what he's

1136
01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:41.000
<v Speaker 2>done and all this what's going on. And then he

1137
01:00:41.039 --> 01:00:44.960
<v Speaker 2>starts telling me that they lost communication with Pete for

1138
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:48.280
<v Speaker 2>a while over the radio with everybody on the mountain,

1139
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:50.280
<v Speaker 2>and they noticed that he wasn't coming out no more

1140
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.840
<v Speaker 2>at all. So a couple of guys that were good

1141
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:57.559
<v Speaker 2>friends of his decided to go up there. And they

1142
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:00.199
<v Speaker 2>went up there and they found him dead in his

1143
01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:04.000
<v Speaker 2>fifth little trailer, laying in the bed dead, just like

1144
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:06.039
<v Speaker 2>he had already been dead for like a week or

1145
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:08.360
<v Speaker 2>two when they found him. You know, the whole trailer

1146
01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:11.800
<v Speaker 2>was already smelling like, you know, dead flesh. The body

1147
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.400
<v Speaker 2>was like real bloated and all that, and they go

1148
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:17.679
<v Speaker 2>outside and they're like, oh, well, we need to call

1149
01:01:17.719 --> 01:01:20.199
<v Speaker 2>the cops. You know, we need to you know, notify

1150
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:23.119
<v Speaker 2>the family or call you know, paramics or somebody to

1151
01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:24.920
<v Speaker 2>come up, you know, come get his body and this

1152
01:01:24.960 --> 01:01:28.119
<v Speaker 2>and that. And one of the guys mentioned like, hey,

1153
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:32.039
<v Speaker 2>well should we look around first, And the other guy said,

1154
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:33.840
<v Speaker 2>what do you mean, Like, well, he's got allless gold.

1155
01:01:33.920 --> 01:01:35.719
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's got to be somewhere here, so we

1156
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.760
<v Speaker 2>look for the gold first. So they decide, all right,

1157
01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:40.800
<v Speaker 2>we'll start, let's look real quick, and then we'll call.

1158
01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:43.400
<v Speaker 2>And I guess it became this thing where they're up

1159
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:46.679
<v Speaker 2>at his at his at his spot, had his claim

1160
01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:51.880
<v Speaker 2>for like four or five weeks, carrying it up inch

1161
01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:54.480
<v Speaker 2>per inch, and that's where all that damage dress ball was,

1162
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:57.960
<v Speaker 2>everything tossed over. They were looking for his gold because

1163
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:00.159
<v Speaker 2>he had it, came down the mountain for months to

1164
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:02.639
<v Speaker 2>cashing gold, and they know he was bringing a lot

1165
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:05.119
<v Speaker 2>of golds, so they're like, this gold has got to

1166
01:02:05.159 --> 01:02:08.199
<v Speaker 2>be somewhere. So they're looking around, looking around, and they're thinking,

1167
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:11.559
<v Speaker 2>but if it's under his bed, you know. So they

1168
01:02:11.679 --> 01:02:14.960
<v Speaker 2>told me that they literally rolled over his body on

1169
01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.320
<v Speaker 2>the bed. At this point, he'd already been dead for

1170
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:20.719
<v Speaker 2>six seven weeks, you know, maybe two months at this point.

1171
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:23.519
<v Speaker 2>They rolled his body over and fold the mattress in

1172
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:26.000
<v Speaker 2>half so they could lift up under his bed and

1173
01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:29.599
<v Speaker 2>look under his bed for gold. They couldn't find any

1174
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.039
<v Speaker 2>anything in there that was gold at all. So as

1175
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:35.280
<v Speaker 2>they were putting the unfolding the mattress, putting it back,

1176
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:38.199
<v Speaker 2>they noticed that he had his little notepad and his

1177
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:41.119
<v Speaker 2>bible and his back pocket and he had his little

1178
01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:44.239
<v Speaker 2>bible he carried all the time. He'd write different things,

1179
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.440
<v Speaker 2>highlight things in there and stuff and this little notepad

1180
01:02:46.440 --> 01:02:48.840
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, oh, the notepad. So they grabbed the

1181
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:53.039
<v Speaker 2>notepad and the bible out of his pocket. They're looking

1182
01:02:53.039 --> 01:02:55.400
<v Speaker 2>through the notepad and they can't really find anything, find anything.

1183
01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:57.679
<v Speaker 2>And they go look in his bible and there's like

1184
01:02:57.719 --> 01:02:59.880
<v Speaker 2>a little passage written like a note to his son

1185
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.719
<v Speaker 2>with the GPS coordinates, and he told us for his son.

1186
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:05.079
<v Speaker 2>He's like, hey, I love you, you know, I'm sorry

1187
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:06.960
<v Speaker 2>for things in life this and that, and he's like,

1188
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:09.159
<v Speaker 2>but you know, go to the spot. This is Will

1189
01:03:09.239 --> 01:03:12.320
<v Speaker 2>change your life. So they read that and immediately thinking,

1190
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:15.320
<v Speaker 2>this is where the guy buried the gold. This is

1191
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:17.400
<v Speaker 2>the cordinate's right here, this is where the gold is.

1192
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:19.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a note for his son to get

1193
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the gold. This is the gold. Let's go look. So

1194
01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:26.199
<v Speaker 2>they go back. The guy yanks his GPS out of

1195
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:29.920
<v Speaker 2>his pickup truck. They start walking around the GPS they

1196
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.760
<v Speaker 2>put the coordinates in and they find this spot that

1197
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:36.599
<v Speaker 2>leads them to the GPS coordinates. They go out there

1198
01:03:36.599 --> 01:03:39.039
<v Speaker 2>with shovels and pickaxes, and there was a spot where

1199
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:41.559
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't really get in with the a tractor or

1200
01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:43.599
<v Speaker 2>any equipment. It's kind of like on the side of

1201
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:46.880
<v Speaker 2>a hill. They have to spot. They start looking around,

1202
01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:50.159
<v Speaker 2>looking around, and they got a metal detector too, and

1203
01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:54.239
<v Speaker 2>then they find this rock hammer. But he says, basically

1204
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.039
<v Speaker 2>like the hammer one side is like it's a small hammer,

1205
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:59.440
<v Speaker 2>like a little balping hammer kind of but on one

1206
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.039
<v Speaker 2>side it's like a little pick and the other side

1207
01:04:01.079 --> 01:04:02.679
<v Speaker 2>is kind of like a ball being like a flat

1208
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:06.079
<v Speaker 2>hammer or whatever. But they find this hammer like buried

1209
01:04:06.239 --> 01:04:09.000
<v Speaker 2>just like two inches under the dirt. So like, oh,

1210
01:04:09.039 --> 01:04:11.880
<v Speaker 2>this has got to be a you know X Marx spot,

1211
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.719
<v Speaker 2>they move a hammer, they start digging. At this point,

1212
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:17.599
<v Speaker 2>they'd already talked to a lot of other guys in

1213
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:19.679
<v Speaker 2>the mountains, and now there's like six dudes out there,

1214
01:04:20.320 --> 01:04:22.920
<v Speaker 2>all from like fifty years old to like ninety years old.

1215
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Bunch of really old dudes, old timers, digging with shovels

1216
01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.559
<v Speaker 2>and pick axes. They get down about three or four

1217
01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:33.880
<v Speaker 2>feet and they find a large bone and they're like,

1218
01:04:34.000 --> 01:04:36.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, did you know they knew he's had bottle

1219
01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:38.039
<v Speaker 2>with people trying to rob him. And they're like, well,

1220
01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:40.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, did he kill somebody who was trying to

1221
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:42.880
<v Speaker 2>rob her, you know, and bury the body? And they're like, well,

1222
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:45.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's not a human bone, you know, Let's keep looking.

1223
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:47.679
<v Speaker 2>So they keep digging, and they start to find more

1224
01:04:47.719 --> 01:04:50.719
<v Speaker 2>bones and like, hey man, these bones are like really big,

1225
01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:54.599
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, well, like, well, maybe he buried the

1226
01:04:54.639 --> 01:04:57.440
<v Speaker 2>gold under the body, you know, thinking if somebody dug

1227
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:00.199
<v Speaker 2>down and found a body, they're gonna stop digging and

1228
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:02.280
<v Speaker 2>the goal is going to be under the body, you know.

1229
01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:05.239
<v Speaker 2>So they amongst each other they discuss it and they're like,

1230
01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:09.719
<v Speaker 2>all right, let's keep digging. They continue to dig a

1231
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:11.840
<v Speaker 2>little bit more. And that's when they find the skull,

1232
01:05:12.400 --> 01:05:14.440
<v Speaker 2>and they realize that the skull is way bigger than

1233
01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:17.159
<v Speaker 2>the normal human skull and it's not shaped the same

1234
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:21.039
<v Speaker 2>as a regular human skull. They get, they get, they

1235
01:05:21.039 --> 01:05:23.360
<v Speaker 2>get all real confused, and they're just discussing what to do,

1236
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and then one of them just says it's fasquatch, and

1237
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:30.719
<v Speaker 2>they all look at each other like no, and they're

1238
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:33.480
<v Speaker 2>like standing at the skull, stare at the skull, and

1239
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:36.239
<v Speaker 2>they're like, very it. Cover it back up, cover it

1240
01:05:36.239 --> 01:05:38.480
<v Speaker 2>back up. So they started throwing all the bones back

1241
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.079
<v Speaker 2>in the hole, but all the dirt over it. They

1242
01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:44.519
<v Speaker 2>threw that rock camera at the bottom down where they'd

1243
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:50.199
<v Speaker 2>found those bones, covered the whole thing up, left the

1244
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:53.320
<v Speaker 2>whole mind, the whole site altogether. They never found any goals.

1245
01:05:54.159 --> 01:05:57.599
<v Speaker 2>All of them left and decided to like do a

1246
01:05:57.639 --> 01:06:00.639
<v Speaker 2>pack of secrecy that nobody's gonna discuss. That's what happened

1247
01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:03.559
<v Speaker 2>there is gonna wait for somebody else to find the body.

1248
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:07.039
<v Speaker 2>They're not even gonna know acknowledge that he's dead. You

1249
01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:10.440
<v Speaker 2>know nothing. They were never there, you know, everybody you know,

1250
01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:16.199
<v Speaker 2>hush and uh. But basically, the you know, pastor of

1251
01:06:16.239 --> 01:06:19.519
<v Speaker 2>the creatures, you know, sitting there crying, balling, and just

1252
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:22.119
<v Speaker 2>telling me about how he you know, he's going to

1253
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:25.840
<v Speaker 2>go to hell because uh, you know, the guy was

1254
01:06:25.880 --> 01:06:28.760
<v Speaker 2>dead up there, and you know, they just hit it,

1255
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:31.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, and let his body brought away and wasn't

1256
01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:33.960
<v Speaker 2>able to you know, the family wasn't able to grieve

1257
01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:36.719
<v Speaker 2>and bury him or anything, and just out of their

1258
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:39.239
<v Speaker 2>pure greed for gold. And he started telling me how

1259
01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:41.840
<v Speaker 2>like you know, you know, once you once you get

1260
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:43.800
<v Speaker 2>a little gold in your hand, he went more and more,

1261
01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:46.840
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the nugget is never big enough, you know.

1262
01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:49.159
<v Speaker 2>And he starts telling me about, like, you know, how

1263
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:52.199
<v Speaker 2>he got addicted to gold mining, you know, twenty plus

1264
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:54.400
<v Speaker 2>years before and I spent his whole life since. And

1265
01:06:55.039 --> 01:06:56.800
<v Speaker 2>he was just crying and balling, and I'm like, man,

1266
01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:59.000
<v Speaker 2>is this real? Like is this true? But then I

1267
01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:02.039
<v Speaker 2>was thinking about what ill with the whole campsite. Everything

1268
01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:04.840
<v Speaker 2>just ripped up and tore up. So I'm like, man,

1269
01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:06.960
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, you know, I'm like, well, why

1270
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:08.679
<v Speaker 2>don't you call the cops or something? You know, it

1271
01:07:08.800 --> 01:07:11.480
<v Speaker 2>just anonys me. And then he said that one of

1272
01:07:11.480 --> 01:07:14.280
<v Speaker 2>the other guys had already called and that they had

1273
01:07:14.320 --> 01:07:19.280
<v Speaker 2>just been up there like the week before and took

1274
01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:23.719
<v Speaker 2>in the whiskey Peach's body. They had already just notified

1275
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.920
<v Speaker 2>the Mexican and they're waiting for a Mexican to come

1276
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:31.199
<v Speaker 2>out to the property and all that stuff, And it

1277
01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:34.239
<v Speaker 2>just kind of blew my mind that I was more

1278
01:07:34.639 --> 01:07:38.079
<v Speaker 2>blowing away to the greed of them having this dead

1279
01:07:38.119 --> 01:07:41.440
<v Speaker 2>body sitting there while they're tearing up this guy's property

1280
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:44.400
<v Speaker 2>looking for golds, and then the whole thing of them

1281
01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:47.519
<v Speaker 2>like turning the body over to look under the bed

1282
01:07:47.559 --> 01:07:50.400
<v Speaker 2>for gold because they were so struck by having to

1283
01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:54.199
<v Speaker 2>find golds, you know, and the whole story of everything.

1284
01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:56.800
<v Speaker 2>I thought about it, you know, and I was like,

1285
01:07:56.840 --> 01:07:59.599
<v Speaker 2>that's crazy. And then I started thinking about this. I

1286
01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.440
<v Speaker 2>have a had fast watch on his property, Like did

1287
01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:05.079
<v Speaker 2>he kill a fast watch and bury it? You know?

1288
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:07.199
<v Speaker 2>And then I was like, oh man, this is just crazy.

1289
01:08:07.599 --> 01:08:09.360
<v Speaker 2>After that, I told my boss. I was like, hey, man,

1290
01:08:09.400 --> 01:08:13.039
<v Speaker 2>I can't do that route anymore. You know, Uh, just

1291
01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:17.239
<v Speaker 2>tired dealing with customers, too far between locations, you know,

1292
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:19.399
<v Speaker 2>I don't get home till after dark. I'm just I'm

1293
01:08:19.399 --> 01:08:21.680
<v Speaker 2>not going to do the route anymore. So I stopped

1294
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:25.600
<v Speaker 2>doing that route and same thing. I've never been back since.

1295
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Arturo. That's that's the wildest hold on. That's the wildest

1296
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:42.960
<v Speaker 1>thing I've ever heard on this podcast. Do you think

1297
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:45.840
<v Speaker 1>there's a buried sasquatch skull in that area?

1298
01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:51.760
<v Speaker 2>It could be or it really could have been, you know,

1299
01:08:51.920 --> 01:08:54.760
<v Speaker 2>just a larger person. You know, maybe he did kill

1300
01:08:54.840 --> 01:08:57.680
<v Speaker 2>somebody that was trying to rob him after he got

1301
01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:01.039
<v Speaker 2>all that gold, you know, or maybe you know, could

1302
01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:03.239
<v Speaker 2>have been a sasquatch. But then I was thinking back

1303
01:09:03.279 --> 01:09:05.760
<v Speaker 2>at it. At the beginning of his property, like in

1304
01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:09.479
<v Speaker 2>in southern Oregon, a lot of people have sasquatch stays,

1305
01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:11.920
<v Speaker 2>a little like wooden figurines, and they a lot of

1306
01:09:11.960 --> 01:09:14.279
<v Speaker 2>people have this thing. It's like a big cardboard cutout,

1307
01:09:14.760 --> 01:09:17.199
<v Speaker 2>like you get, like, you know, a four by ten

1308
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:19.399
<v Speaker 2>sheet of plywood and they kind of cut out the

1309
01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:22.319
<v Speaker 2>outline like a big stancil of a sasquatch, and then

1310
01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:24.680
<v Speaker 2>they painted black or brown and they screw it on

1311
01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:27.039
<v Speaker 2>the trees. You know. I see it all over Oregon.

1312
01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:31.000
<v Speaker 2>At the beginning of his driveway to go up to

1313
01:09:31.119 --> 01:09:33.640
<v Speaker 2>Pett's place, he had one on each side of the

1314
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:38.000
<v Speaker 2>driveway since before, like when I just started and and

1315
01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:42.319
<v Speaker 2>it said, you know, you know, keep out, beware, I'm watching,

1316
01:09:43.119 --> 01:09:45.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, all that stuff. But that wasn't a big

1317
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:47.680
<v Speaker 2>thing because everybody in southern Oregon has some kind of

1318
01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:51.720
<v Speaker 2>sashquatch something, you know. And then thinking back to it,

1319
01:09:53.000 --> 01:09:55.479
<v Speaker 2>I do remember him a couple of times talking like, yeah,

1320
01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:57.600
<v Speaker 2>we'll be carefully there. You know, i'd be leieving kind

1321
01:09:57.600 --> 01:10:00.880
<v Speaker 2>of lady to be careful, you know, assquatch out in

1322
01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:04.000
<v Speaker 2>the woods, and you know, little quotes and stuff like that.

1323
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:06.119
<v Speaker 2>But he never really told me Pacific p like hey,

1324
01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.720
<v Speaker 2>I've seen I've seen a squatch or I killed a

1325
01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:11.119
<v Speaker 2>squatch or anything like that. But it was kind of

1326
01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:15.920
<v Speaker 2>just kind of you know, common knowledge or just spoken normally,

1327
01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:18.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, in that general area. So I never really

1328
01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:22.000
<v Speaker 2>overfunk it, you know. But then after they say his

1329
01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:24.880
<v Speaker 2>tassquatch and all that, I started thinking back to like, yeah,

1330
01:10:24.920 --> 01:10:27.640
<v Speaker 2>he had a lot of big foot stuff on his property,

1331
01:10:28.600 --> 01:10:32.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, little wind chimes with bigfoot and just different

1332
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:35.279
<v Speaker 2>little things, you know, bigfoot sticker on the side of

1333
01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:37.920
<v Speaker 2>his old trailer before he got the new one and

1334
01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:40.479
<v Speaker 2>all that. So I'm like, hey, he probably was a believer,

1335
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:43.600
<v Speaker 2>But was he a believer because he found one and

1336
01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:44.079
<v Speaker 2>killed it.

1337
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:48.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, man, so many I don't know, so many

1338
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:52.439
<v Speaker 1>questions we will never get the answer to, absolutely never

1339
01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:55.000
<v Speaker 1>get the answer. I bet whiskey Pete has some wild

1340
01:10:55.079 --> 01:10:59.119
<v Speaker 1>big foot encounters up there on that mountain. My goodness,

1341
01:10:59.199 --> 01:11:00.560
<v Speaker 1>that wild.

1342
01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:05.039
<v Speaker 2>It's just like a wild West up there. Man, Like

1343
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:09.479
<v Speaker 2>they like everybody's this sss you know, shoot shovel, shut up.

1344
01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:13.119
<v Speaker 2>And that could be everything from uh, you know, people

1345
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:15.359
<v Speaker 2>sneaking on to the gross sites, getting caught in the

1346
01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:17.920
<v Speaker 2>gold mining clams. You know, they shoot you and they

1347
01:11:17.960 --> 01:11:20.600
<v Speaker 2>bury you. You know, it's like as common knowledge, like

1348
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:23.600
<v Speaker 2>they never call the cops, you know, there's any problems

1349
01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:27.199
<v Speaker 2>beast between neighbors Hillside and the hillside. You know, I

1350
01:11:27.399 --> 01:11:31.000
<v Speaker 2>rarely hear stories of anybody calling authorities for any problems

1351
01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:33.199
<v Speaker 2>that's going on there. You know, they they take care

1352
01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:36.680
<v Speaker 2>of everything themselves. So the fact that there's somebody buried

1353
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:39.800
<v Speaker 2>there wasn't really too much of a shock to me.

1354
01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:42.479
<v Speaker 2>But the fact that they said they was giant, and

1355
01:11:42.520 --> 01:11:46.279
<v Speaker 2>his skull was real huge and looked different. And then

1356
01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:49.199
<v Speaker 2>then they said, oh, well, the guys mentioned it's a taskquatch,

1357
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:51.279
<v Speaker 2>and they're like, oh, they all panicked and just start

1358
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:52.119
<v Speaker 2>burying it. You know.

1359
01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:53.680
<v Speaker 1>That's so wild.

1360
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:55.000
<v Speaker 2>That kind of threw me off.

1361
01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, They're like, nope, we're not in this at all.

1362
01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:01.079
<v Speaker 1>Bury it up. That is so crazy. Can you even

1363
01:12:01.560 --> 01:12:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is such an intense story. Can you

1364
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:05.359
<v Speaker 1>even share what county it is in? Then?

1365
01:12:07.960 --> 01:12:15.359
<v Speaker 2>Uh? Well, we'll say it's uh an, We'll say like

1366
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:20.359
<v Speaker 2>near the border of Josephine County in Douglas County.

1367
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Gotcha, man, that's this is I got. I got.

1368
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.439
<v Speaker 2>But I believed him because because I I had never

1369
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:38.000
<v Speaker 2>seen that man smoke a cigarette. Do you know, I've

1370
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:41.439
<v Speaker 2>never seen the preacher, you know, pastor do anything of

1371
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:44.920
<v Speaker 2>mind altering anything. In years of going up there, you know,

1372
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:47.840
<v Speaker 2>they'd even have little community to get togethers where they'd

1373
01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:51.399
<v Speaker 2>hang out and barbecue and everybody'd be sitting on shine

1374
01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:54.720
<v Speaker 2>or you know, hanging out, you know, smoking and whatever.

1375
01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:56.399
<v Speaker 2>He never touched anything. And that's time I up there

1376
01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:59.359
<v Speaker 2>and he was just belligerent, drunk, crying and all that.

1377
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:01.439
<v Speaker 2>That's when I was like, man, this guy is serious.

1378
01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:05.039
<v Speaker 2>You know, something serious is going on. After I had

1379
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:06.960
<v Speaker 2>just left the other place that was torn up, you know,

1380
01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.439
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, you know, I was just believing like

1381
01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:12.520
<v Speaker 2>him word for word, you know that he doesn't seem

1382
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:16.239
<v Speaker 2>like he's never seemed like a dishonest person in any sort,

1383
01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:19.720
<v Speaker 2>you know. And the worst part about all this is

1384
01:13:21.439 --> 01:13:24.399
<v Speaker 2>I heard from the next guy that took over that route.

1385
01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:27.319
<v Speaker 2>They'd sent one guy. He got lost everywhere, couldn't find

1386
01:13:27.319 --> 01:13:29.760
<v Speaker 2>any of the locations because they're real hard to find.

1387
01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:31.880
<v Speaker 2>So then they told me like, hey, you know, you

1388
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:33.439
<v Speaker 2>want to do a ride along with the next guy

1389
01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:35.720
<v Speaker 2>who's going to take over the route, so you could

1390
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:37.640
<v Speaker 2>show him the route. And I said, no, not really,

1391
01:13:38.439 --> 01:13:41.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going up there no more. And so they

1392
01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:44.159
<v Speaker 2>found another guy that worked with the company that used

1393
01:13:44.199 --> 01:13:48.640
<v Speaker 2>to do that route prior to me working there. They

1394
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:52.079
<v Speaker 2>sent him up there, and when he came down the mountain,

1395
01:13:52.920 --> 01:13:56.600
<v Speaker 2>he was talking about the Yeah, the preacher committed suicide.

1396
01:13:58.199 --> 01:14:01.199
<v Speaker 2>I said what I said, I said, past like, pastor,

1397
01:14:02.159 --> 01:14:04.680
<v Speaker 2>I was like, you know, the well, you know whatever,

1398
01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:07.479
<v Speaker 2>the you know, the yellow car and this, you know,

1399
01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.279
<v Speaker 2>like that guy is a yain. He blew his head

1400
01:14:10.279 --> 01:14:15.119
<v Speaker 2>off shotgun. Nobody knows. Nobody knows why he blew his

1401
01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:15.560
<v Speaker 2>head off.

1402
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:16.960
<v Speaker 1>He could he couldn't live.

1403
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And I remember him just telling me how

1404
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:25.640
<v Speaker 2>he's he's going to hell for, you know, desecrating that

1405
01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:29.119
<v Speaker 2>man's body and not calling the authorities, and you know,

1406
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.840
<v Speaker 2>he was just crying and balling, and I'm like, I

1407
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:34.560
<v Speaker 2>could totally see him doing that, just in a drunken

1408
01:14:34.640 --> 01:14:38.720
<v Speaker 2>stupor just you know, upset about what happened, and I

1409
01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:42.119
<v Speaker 2>could totally see that happening, you know, But I personally

1410
01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:45.039
<v Speaker 2>haven't not been back up there since. But you know,

1411
01:14:45.079 --> 01:14:48.159
<v Speaker 2>I that's what I heard, is you know pastor uh,

1412
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:50.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, opted out, shall we.

1413
01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:55.239
<v Speaker 1>Say, Arturo?

1414
01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:55.880
<v Speaker 2>This is.

1415
01:14:57.560 --> 01:15:02.560
<v Speaker 1>It is, without a out, the most intense story I

1416
01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:08.600
<v Speaker 1>have heard in the last five years. And I don't

1417
01:15:08.600 --> 01:15:11.600
<v Speaker 1>even want to think of what's going to come from

1418
01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the comments on this one. I mean, I'm sure maybe

1419
01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:19.399
<v Speaker 1>other people know parts of this story that that you

1420
01:15:19.479 --> 01:15:23.640
<v Speaker 1>didn't know because it happened later, and man, who knows

1421
01:15:23.640 --> 01:15:26.159
<v Speaker 1>where this is going to go next? But Artaro, thank

1422
01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:30.560
<v Speaker 1>you for sharing what you've experienced over the years. This

1423
01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:31.720
<v Speaker 1>is absolutely wild.

1424
01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:36.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've been wanted to talk about with somebody for

1425
01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.720
<v Speaker 2>a long time and since I lived out here in

1426
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:42.119
<v Speaker 2>southern Oregon. Though when we first moved out here, we'd

1427
01:15:42.159 --> 01:15:46.960
<v Speaker 2>moved to Grasspath Oregon, right we first first moved up here,

1428
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:51.760
<v Speaker 2>and they're like they have these big caveman statues around town,

1429
01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:55.960
<v Speaker 2>like the tow truck company is Caveman Towing, and the

1430
01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:58.800
<v Speaker 2>high school football team or like the Caveman or whatever.

1431
01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:01.119
<v Speaker 2>Like all this cave man stuff, I'm like, is just

1432
01:16:01.119 --> 01:16:03.079
<v Speaker 2>just rubbing it in my face. You know, Like when

1433
01:16:03.079 --> 01:16:04.640
<v Speaker 2>I moved away from Soak, I was just kind of

1434
01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:06.640
<v Speaker 2>trying to block out of my mind forget about it.

1435
01:16:07.239 --> 01:16:10.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing all this caveman stuff, right, and I'm still

1436
01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:12.960
<v Speaker 2>on an impression that you know, hundred that I saw

1437
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:16.720
<v Speaker 2>with some kind of caveman or some giant or you know,

1438
01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:19.039
<v Speaker 2>something like that. Right, And I see all this big

1439
01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:20.960
<v Speaker 2>foot stuff all the time. I'm like, hen, he's idiots

1440
01:16:20.960 --> 01:16:24.000
<v Speaker 2>believing in bigfoot, right, So I'm like the idiots with

1441
01:16:24.039 --> 01:16:27.720
<v Speaker 2>their bigfoot stuff, but I'm seeing all this caveman stuff.

1442
01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:30.640
<v Speaker 2>But I would sit back at you know, bonfires, hanging out,

1443
01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:33.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, capping with the boys, and I'd heard people

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<v Speaker 2>kind of talk a little little stories here and there

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<v Speaker 2>about bigfoot and all that. But you know, me personally,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm you know, I still don't consider that I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>a big foot. I saw something else, you know. But

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<v Speaker 2>out here, it's like bigfoots just common knowledge. Some people,

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01:16:46.760 --> 01:16:49.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know, not out of ten would be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a myth and that's the greatest host of all times,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know whatever, it's just serious. Say he's saying

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<v Speaker 2>enough people everybody thinks it's true, you know, and then

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01:16:57.920 --> 01:17:00.560
<v Speaker 2>like one out of ten people like, yeah, yeah, they're real,

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<v Speaker 2>Like oh my uncle had one at the back of

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<v Speaker 2>his property, you know, and that's just you know, common No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it's not a big deal. But like the

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<v Speaker 2>other night, people you talk to you are like, you're ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So I never mentioned to anybody what I

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01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:16.119
<v Speaker 2>saw in southern California with Theaudrey jokes. I just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be rig called, like oh you saw a

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<v Speaker 2>cave man, you know, So I just never really mentioned it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just kind of listen to other people's stories

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, but out here, I've never seen nothing

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01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:31.720
<v Speaker 2>in Oregon personally, I've never seen nothing in a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of black bears, yeah, things like that. But yeah, well

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<v Speaker 2>take it for what it is. But you know, the

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01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:40.680
<v Speaker 2>look in that man's face, I believe what he was

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<v Speaker 2>telling me.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think he made the right choice just

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01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:48.520
<v Speaker 1>walking away from all that. I don't think that would

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<v Speaker 1>have gotten any better for you. Just there's too much,

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01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:56.760
<v Speaker 1>too much going up in that area that is not

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01:17:56.760 --> 01:17:58.479
<v Speaker 1>not what you want to mess with for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I realized that Gold makes people crazy. Yeah crazy

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01:18:05.159 --> 01:18:05.600
<v Speaker 2>for Gold.

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<v Speaker 1>Such a sad story, but also such a I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's wilder than most of the movies I've seen,

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01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:21.479
<v Speaker 1>to be honest, it's an incredibly intense arturo. Thank you

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01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:25.079
<v Speaker 1>so much for coming on the show and for sharing

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01:18:25.239 --> 01:18:29.399
<v Speaker 1>what you've experienced over the years. I greatly appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>That problem. I feel a lot better, you know, getting

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01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:34.119
<v Speaker 2>it off my chest.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something

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<v Speaker 1>directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've

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01:18:43.720 --> 01:18:46.560
<v Speaker 1>seen something that no one can explain, or if you're

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01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:49.880
<v Speaker 1>a National park ranger or forestry worker who's been told

1488
01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:53.319
<v Speaker 1>to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something

1489
01:18:53.399 --> 01:18:56.319
<v Speaker 1>strange down on the ground, or if you're with the

1490
01:18:56.439 --> 01:19:00.359
<v Speaker 1>FBI a federal agency, or working intelligence and you dumbled

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01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.239
<v Speaker 1>upon something you're not allowed to talk about, and if

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01:19:03.239 --> 01:19:06.800
<v Speaker 1>you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's

1493
01:19:06.840 --> 01:19:10.439
<v Speaker 1>heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense. If

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01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:14.159
<v Speaker 1>you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field,

1495
01:19:14.319 --> 01:19:17.319
<v Speaker 1>or a trucker with government contracts and you've had something

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01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:20.840
<v Speaker 1>happen that you've never told a soul. And if you're

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01:19:20.840 --> 01:19:24.720
<v Speaker 1>a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under

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01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:28.079
<v Speaker 1>contract who has found evidence you're not allowed to report.

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01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:31.119
<v Speaker 1>If you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a

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01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.640
<v Speaker 1>spiritual retreat and you saw something that shook your faith,

1501
01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:38.439
<v Speaker 1>or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA or

1502
01:19:38.479 --> 01:19:41.840
<v Speaker 1>anything with clearance and you've seen what the public hasn't,

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01:19:43.199 --> 01:19:46.640
<v Speaker 1>then I want to talk to you, even if it's anonymous.

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01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:52.000
<v Speaker 1>You can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>The world needs to hear what you've been forced to

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01:19:54.880 --> 01:20:00.479
<v Speaker 1>carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story,

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01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:05.039
<v Speaker 1>We've got the mic. See you in the woods. Thank

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01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:07.920
<v Speaker 1>you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is

1510
01:20:10.439 --> 01:20:13.600
<v Speaker 1>bigger and stranger than we think, and that the truth

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<v Speaker 1>is often Hiding just Beyond the tree Line. If you

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1515
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<v Speaker 1>if you or someone you know has had a Bigfoot sighting,

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01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:43.279
<v Speaker 1>please I'd love to hear from you, so email me

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01:20:43.399 --> 01:20:46.800
<v Speaker 1>at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com and let's start

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01:20:46.800 --> 01:20:49.640
<v Speaker 1>the conversation. If you haven't gotten a chance yet, check

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<v Speaker 1>out our membership community over at www dot Bigfoot Society

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<v Speaker 1>episode today early in ad free and members only episodes

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<v Speaker 1>every week. Also, it's a place to connect with other

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01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:06.720
<v Speaker 1>people that are into the Bigfoot subject as much as

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01:21:06.800 --> 01:21:09.479
<v Speaker 1>you are. Thanks again for following along with the Bigfoot

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01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Society until next time, Keep your eyes open, trust your gut,

1530
01:21:13.039 --> 01:21:15.279
<v Speaker 1>and never stop asking what else might be out there?

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<v Speaker 1>And see you in the woods.