WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:05.320 Welcome to the Gods I View podcast. I'm your host, Trevor. 2 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:08.160 I don't know what's going on with my intro music 3 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:13.519 website I use. Probably they made it so you can't 4 00:00:14.119 --> 00:00:18.920 screen record their sample sounds that you're supposed to pay for. 5 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:22.120 I don't know, or something's wrong with my computer. So anyway, 6 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:29.920 sad day, sad day in the podcast world the potosphere. 7 00:00:31.480 --> 00:00:37.640 John C. Devorak passed away. I think yesterday, perhaps I'm 8 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:43.640 not exactly sure. If you don't know who that is JCD. 9 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:50.799 I started listening to him about in twenty twelve, so 10 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:54.600 that would have been what fourteen years ago. I remember 11 00:00:54.640 --> 00:00:58.159 it was my first job out of grad school. I 12 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:04.359 was a physical therapist, and I already kind of knew 13 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:07.239 I was unhappy, you know. So I found a job 14 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:10.040 where I only had to treat patients like two days 15 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:14.000 a week, and then I would work in the office 16 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:17.079 like auditing charts, charts and stuff three days a week. 17 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:21.680 It was fine. I mean, I didn't like it, but 18 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:25.319 but it was it was home health, you know, and 19 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:28.120 so like Tuesdays and Thursdays, I'd be in the car 20 00:01:28.159 --> 00:01:32.840 all day. And I had already I already loved podcasts. Sorry, 21 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:34.640 I am gonna tell a little bit of a tale, 22 00:01:34.719 --> 00:01:36.879 So I'm sorry. You know, if this is your first 23 00:01:36.879 --> 00:01:40.000 time listening to the show, probably not a good episode 24 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:43.280 to start with. It's gonna be a lot of personal anecdotes. 25 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:46.359 We will We're gonna play a clip later that I 26 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:50.760 think should be interesting. But but you know, if this 27 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:54.120 is your first time, jump to another episode. Check out 28 00:01:54.159 --> 00:01:56.400 the last episode. I thought that was great about the 29 00:01:56.400 --> 00:02:01.000 double slit experiment. Anyway, So I I had developed a 30 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:06.319 real love for audio podcasts because you're in the car, 31 00:02:06.359 --> 00:02:09.800 you don't want to be watching YouTube, you know, And 32 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:13.280 I think I was. This was at the time I 33 00:02:13.360 --> 00:02:17.280 mentioned before, I was like really obsessed with trying not 34 00:02:17.400 --> 00:02:20.560 to work, so I was into entrepreneurial stuff. I was 35 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.599 listening to a podcast called Bigger Pockets, which was like 36 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:30.240 about real estate. All the Motley Fool podcasts. There was 37 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:34.000 a there was a podcast with the host was named 38 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:39.800 Frank Curzio and it was on the Stansbury Research whatever, 39 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:43.879 and he was fine, but he interviewed this guy named 40 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:48.800 Andrew Horowitz. He had a podcast named The Discipline Investor. 41 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.439 All these podcasts, man, it's so funny. Even back then, 42 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:59.599 there's a million of them, and he Andrew Horowitz, discipline investor. 43 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.080 I listened to him for like a year, and he 44 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:05.719 kept mentioning the show he had called dh Unblugged dh Unblogged, 45 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.080 and so I was like, let me check this out. 46 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:12.280 And it was him Andrew Horowitz with a co host 47 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:18.280 named John C. Devoak and Andrew Horowitz. His show was fine, 48 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:20.080 you know, he had like a lot of good information, 49 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:24.680 but dh Umblugged was funny, you know. And humor is like, 50 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.240 that's everything to me. If you're funny, like I will 51 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.039 forgive a lot of sins, you know, like you can 52 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:33.719 have a lot of problems if you're funny. It's like, ah, 53 00:03:33.800 --> 00:03:36.680 it's fine, you know, oh yeah, you stole my credit card, 54 00:03:36.680 --> 00:03:42.520 but come on, you're hilarious anyway, nothing worse since stealing 55 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:44.159 my credit card at not being funny, you know what 56 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.840 I mean. Anyway, So I really liked I liked him. 57 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:49.400 He's kind of cranky. He's like a crotchety old man, 58 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:54.080 you know. And uh, he kept plugging this show. It's 59 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:57.800 just the cycle of podcast recommendations is so funny. But 60 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:03.840 he kept plugging his show called No Agenda, And so finally, 61 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:06.439 like I'm going through all my podcast one day and nothing, 62 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:10.120 there's nothing I want to listen to Man Springspack Memories, 63 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:12.800 just sitting in the car, like I know all the 64 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:17.439 shows I liked, you know, and I was like, okay, 65 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:21.720 I'll check it out. And it was like nothing I 66 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:25.920 had ever listened to before. It was just so so 67 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:30.000 unbelievably different. Like these two guys are funny, have a 68 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:33.399 lot of chemistry. They're like breaking down news stories, very 69 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:38.160 like alternative, you know, like their takes were always very unique, 70 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:43.079 very different, and they had clips, they had audio clips 71 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.160 that they played all the time, and they were funny 72 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.600 and lots of inside jokes. It took me like a 73 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:52.279 year of listening to really like grasp what was going on. 74 00:04:53.759 --> 00:04:56.519 And then I find out the co host, Adam Curry, 75 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:01.680 he's the inventor of podcasting. He basically gave podcasting to 76 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:08.199 Steve Jobs for free. And I think probably from two 77 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:14.399 thousand and twelve to twenty twenty three, I didn't miss 78 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:18.560 a single episode. And it was two episodes a week 79 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:22.040 and they're over three hours long. Usually now at the 80 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:26.759 time every week, like Monday or Tuesday, I'd leave for 81 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:29.480 a work trip and maybe I'd drive to San Diego, 82 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:33.079 which was a couple hours, or this town called El Centro, 83 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:36.079 which was like four hours. It's on the Arizona California 84 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:43.120 Mexico border, or San Francisco, Napa Valley area, like Snoma County, 85 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:49.879 reading southern Oregon, Medford, and I would drive. At first, 86 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:53.439 I flew, but then I realized my work, I wouldn't 87 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:57.000 really notice if I just rented a car because the 88 00:05:57.040 --> 00:06:00.240 company we used during cars you had unlimited miles, so 89 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:09.560 like they just never really noticed. Again'm trying to tell 90 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:14.040 if my son just woke up or if that's my dog. Sorry, 91 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.560 they would never really notice if I put like fifteen 92 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:18.319 hundred miles on the car in a week, you know. 93 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:20.560 And uh. 94 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.240 Anyway, so I was just always in the car always, 95 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:28.240 So it was such a blessing to have like six 96 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:32.079 hours of podcasts at my fingertips. I listened to a 97 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:36.680 lot of books that way too. Anyway, So he was 98 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:38.879 just a really funny guy. He wrote, he did a 99 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.319 blurb on the front of my book. My book is 100 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.800 God's I View. If you're interested, you can see it 101 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:50.519 on there. I asked Adam Curry, the inventor of podcasting, 102 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:55.040 John's co host to do the book cover blurb, and 103 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:56.959 I think he just kind of ignored. I don't remember 104 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:58.839 if he ignored the email or what happened. So then 105 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:04.920 I sent him the physical book and he's like, oh, yeah, 106 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:06.759 he asked me to do the blurb, but I don't know. 107 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:10.279 And John was like, why wouldn't you do the blurb? 108 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:12.839 And Adam was like, well, I haven't read the book. 109 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:17.800 And he was like, so what, which I thought was 110 00:07:17.800 --> 00:07:19.639 funny because personally, I think it's a good book and 111 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:21.759 I thought Adam probably would have enjoyed it, you know. 112 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:24.399 But Adam's like, so what, So what if you haven't 113 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:26.040 read the book, Like, what does it cost you to 114 00:07:26.160 --> 00:07:31.279 just say, you know, read this book, Adam Curry? And 115 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:33.399 so I was like, you know what, screw Adam. No, 116 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:37.160 I'm just kidding. But I sent an email to John. 117 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:38.759 I said, hey, what do you think about this blurb? 118 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:41.600 Read this book all caps, exclamation mark, John C. Devorik 119 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:46.480 the No Agenda Show. He said, perfect, do it, and 120 00:07:46.800 --> 00:07:48.720 we had a couple of email conversations. I just I 121 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:53.720 just thought he was a cool guy. So anyway, he 122 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.199 was doing pretty good on Sunday. I think he had 123 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:00.360 a show and he seemed fine. But now I haven't 124 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:04.759 really been listening as much lately, just been super busy, 125 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:08.079 and I don't know, politics have taken on like a 126 00:08:08.120 --> 00:08:14.800 weird edge. I don't really enjoy it anymore. It used 127 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:19.759 to be more fun, you know? Is that just me? 128 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:21.759 It seems like politics used to be a little bit 129 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:26.360 more fun. Now it's kind of I don't know anyway, 130 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.680 So rip JCD. There's something else I was going to 131 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:34.039 bring up, but I can't remember. I guess what was 132 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:38.720 gett into the clip. This will be a short episode. 133 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:40.840 My wife is starting a new jobs, so she's out 134 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:44.120 of town. I'm beat, so I've got you know, I'm 135 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:49.360 watching my kids, but I mean I'm always watching my kids. 136 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:51.759 I'm not like a DeBie dad. I'm always helping. But 137 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:55.639 it's more than usual, you know, because my wife's not here. 138 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:59.360 It's not like there's more. It's not the taking care 139 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:03.080 of them on my own that's difficult. Like I got 140 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:07.080 the meals thing down, that's all fine. It's not like 141 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:09.480 that I'm doing all the chores because I'm not. I'm 142 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:12.600 just letting stuff accumulate. It's a disaster. It's it's like 143 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:18.600 a hazard. In my house. It's just like having another 144 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:24.679 adult around to like triangulate, you know, like good cop, 145 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.159 bad cop. You kind of take turns being the bad cop. 146 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:29.159 You kind of take turns losing your shit. You know. 147 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:35.320 Sorry for the language, Like when it's just you, you don't 148 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:39.919 have that. I total like amazing, huge respect for single parents. 149 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:44.120 It's it's no joke. It's not for the week. Fortunately, 150 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:47.159 I've got really good kids. But still, you know something 151 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:49.120 that just don't always listen. It's like, hey, get your 152 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:54.960 shoes on. No, it's like like, just please God, just 153 00:09:55.039 --> 00:09:59.840 please do what I say. Uh, I'm when the ver 154 00:10:00.039 --> 00:10:03.600 you're breaking down anyway, let's uh, enough of my issues, 155 00:10:03.679 --> 00:10:06.799 let's get let's get into the clips. So this is 156 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:11.759 again our friend Sabine. Now, this is a paper that 157 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:18.720 I'm sort of kind of familiar with, but to be frank, 158 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:21.200 I don't know the ins and outs, like I know 159 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.320 some of the highlights, and I have not listened to 160 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:25.759 this clip. And I usually try to listen to the clip. 161 00:10:25.759 --> 00:10:30.480 And here's why. Because you'll hear something, you'll criticize it, 162 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:32.559 and then the next word out of the person's mouth 163 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:36.840 is addressing why your criticism is stupid. So then in 164 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:40.639 real time you're made to look like an idiot. But uh, 165 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:42.720 like I said, I'm tired, so I haven't had to 166 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:46.759 I haven't watched this, but the title leads me to 167 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:49.639 believe that we will enjoy it. And the title is 168 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:54.080 physicists prove that the universe is not a simulation. Dun't, 169 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:58.320 dun't dun Here's the thing, this is important. Let me 170 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:03.159 give you all some advice that I rarely take. It's 171 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:09.600 important to not decide what you think about something if 172 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:13.919 you're not. Here's what we do. We kind of search, 173 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:17.519 almost like an AI algorithm. I think. I think our 174 00:11:17.639 --> 00:11:21.519 language center does sort of work like an AI algorithm. 175 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:26.240 It must. People sort of confuse my take on consciousness. 176 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:29.600 It's like, no, the brain is a computer of sorts. 177 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:34.360 You know, there is computation going on in your mind, 178 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:38.600 in your brain at least, but that doesn't mean subjective 179 00:11:38.600 --> 00:11:42.159 experience is explained by computation, right, I can even like 180 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:50.039 some emotions. Certainly memory perhapsble aspects of memory at least, 181 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:56.600 not like experiential memory, like the memories of how you 182 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:02.159 know something felt or looked, but you know, like declarative 183 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:09.399 memory or procedural memory. I would think would be computational language. 184 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:14.840 All these I mean, basically, the underlying hardware is computational, right, 185 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:18.480 but then there's something on top of that, more deeper 186 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.159 than that, that is like a passenger in your mind 187 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:25.240 experiencing all of these things. And we've talked about this 188 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:26.759 at length. You don't need to get into it, but 189 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:30.159 I do just sort of think it's a category err 190 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:37.279 to assume that the computational engine that helps you do math, 191 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:44.159 let's say, or navigator room is the same thing as 192 00:12:44.200 --> 00:12:48.679 the experience of doing math or navigating a room. Right. 193 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:55.279 It's it's it's to me very different, and so that's 194 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:57.720 why I've always kind of appealed to these ideas like 195 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:02.679 orchestrated objective or or even stuff that's way more out there, 196 00:13:02.759 --> 00:13:08.960 like transmission theory or transduction theory. So so that's kind 197 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:12.279 of my natural bent. That's what I'm attracted to. So 198 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:15.480 when I read a title like Sabine's, which is physicists 199 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:20.360 prove that she actually spelled it all wrong, Physicists prove 200 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:28.200 that universe is not a simulation, now my instinct is 201 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:31.159 to say, I disagree with that. That doesn't sound right. 202 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:35.919 It's hard for me to fathom that that's true. But 203 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:39.000 you gotta take a beat. I mean, do we do 204 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:43.840 I think that the universe is a simulation? Well, I've 205 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.360 said things like that before, but but you gotta think 206 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:51.200 a little bit more deeply. What do I mean? Do 207 00:13:51.279 --> 00:13:55.279 I mean there is something like a computer somewhere generating 208 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:00.519 a a virtual world. Now, and we'll clarify as I've 209 00:14:00.559 --> 00:14:03.360 also said, it's like a virtual world too, a virtual 210 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:09.960 world that we exist in, and that things are algorithmically 211 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:20.039 computed and presented to me. No, that's no, it's not okay, listen, 212 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:23.080 this is tough stuff. These are deep waters. But no, 213 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:26.799 of course that's not what I what I think. Instead, 214 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:33.480 it's more like this universe has the virtue of a 215 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:38.279 created world. You know. I think the double slits experiment 216 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:42.960 supports that idea. I think just basic like logic supports 217 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:47.919 that idea, Like the calomn cosmological argument. I think entanglement 218 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:53.080 supports that idea. We talked about that last episode. I 219 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:55.960 think really all of physics kind of supports this idea. 220 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:02.879 The existence of a rule set a beginning. Things that 221 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:07.039 have a beginning have a cause. What is the first cause? 222 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:13.039 You know, some sort of creator that made this virtual world. 223 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.159 And again I'm not using the word virtue like technological. 224 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:20.679 I mean it has the virtue of being truly real 225 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:23.120 at its base level, but in fact it's not, and 226 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:26.200 we know it's not because we can zoom all the 227 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:29.080 way in and there's just nothing that past the ground level. 228 00:15:29.080 --> 00:15:33.039 There's just nothing more like there is no smallest building block. 229 00:15:35.159 --> 00:15:38.320 This is essentially information at the bottom. And we have 230 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:41.720 a smallest unit of space, which is basically a pixel, 231 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:46.279 and we have a smallest unit of time. And when 232 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:50.960 you multiply those two things together, is it multiply No, 233 00:15:51.039 --> 00:15:57.320 that's not right when you multiply or when you divide anyway, 234 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:01.840 I don't know. But from those two values you can 235 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:04.720 calculate the speed of light, which is exactly how a 236 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.080 virtual world would work if it were generated by a computer. Granted, 237 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:13.559 but I'm not taking the metaphor that far, you know, 238 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:18.000 I think that would be like a fallacy to equate 239 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:25.320 whatever creation is with whatever our current most useful metaphor is. 240 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.039 And I would say, like a computer simulation probably is 241 00:16:29.080 --> 00:16:33.000 our current best metaphor, but that's just because it's our 242 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:35.799 current best technology. Like in the Enlightenment, people compare the 243 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.879 universe two a clock because it rotates and there's like 244 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.240 constellations which are sort of like the you know, the 245 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:47.720 numbers on the dial, and so they kind of conceived 246 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:51.039 of it as being wound up, you know, which you 247 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:52.960 kind of could you can imagine it being like wow, 248 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:55.000 all the way back to the Big Bang, like spiraling 249 00:16:55.080 --> 00:16:57.960 back together, right, You could kind of conceive of it 250 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:01.559 as that way. Like our meta as an analogies get 251 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:04.480 better as time goes on. But I don't think we're 252 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:10.240 anywhere close to really understanding what this is. But the 253 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:13.200 fact that things like particles don't really seem to have 254 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:17.519 definite states. They when you observe them, you pull them 255 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:22.359 from a probabilistic distribution of potentialities. To me, that does 256 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:27.519 sound like a simulation, granted a much more complicated simulation 257 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:31.799 that we're than we're currently able to produce. And so 258 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:33.759 I have a feeling I haven't watched the video, so 259 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:36.359 this whole preample could be totally stupid, but I have 260 00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:42.200 a feeling what they're going to disprove is that this 261 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:46.920 is not a computer simulation, and I would agree with that. 262 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:50.880 So let's see, well, best current knowledge all matter in 263 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:54.599 the universe is made of the particles in the standard model, 264 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:57.920 plus potentially some more for dark matter. They are held 265 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:03.480 together by full fundamental interactions, the electromagnetic, the strong and 266 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:08.160 weak nuclear force, gravity, and the strange attraction among people 267 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.359 who can't count to four. But maybe this isn't all 268 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.799 there is. Maybe we need a theory of quantum gravity, 269 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:18.559 or a unified theory, or more things named dark to 270 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:22.279 make the maths work out. But either way, we expect 271 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:25.960 the theory of everything in the universe to ultimately be 272 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.400 a bunch of equations and equations you can put on 273 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:33.759 a computer and use an algorithm to calculate what the 274 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:38.160 equations do. This naturally brings up the question of whether 275 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.960 the entire universe with us in it, may be a 276 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:46.920 computation run by some advanced species and we're just part 277 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:47.839 of the algorithm. 278 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.160 Okay, so I'm already feeling good about my prediction because yeah, 279 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:55.160 that's definitely not what I think, and I actually think 280 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:59.400 it's kind of asinine to think this, and I think 281 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.960 I've made this case before, Like, okay, so you're looking around, 282 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.240 you see your rules, You see this strange behavior of 283 00:19:06.359 --> 00:19:10.359 particles at the you know, sub atomic level, and maybe bigger, 284 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:14.920 maybe even at the macroscopic level. Entanglement doesn't really make 285 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:17.640 sense unless it's like, you know, the best of the 286 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:22.119 best metaphor, the best way I could imagine producing entanglement 287 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:27.799 would be with a computer with code. That's the only 288 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:30.960 way I can imagine information, you know, two systems that 289 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:34.319 are separated by some huge distance being able to interact immediately. 290 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:36.960 You know. It's that they are not two systems or 291 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:41.839 one system described by one you know, piece of computer 292 00:19:41.880 --> 00:19:45.240 code that applies to both things regardless of where they 293 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.960 are in those in the virtual world. So yeah, I 294 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:52.960 certainly see, you know, yeah, it's making sense. I'm with you, computer, computer, computer, 295 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:56.880 But then to take the step and say, well, you know, 296 00:19:57.319 --> 00:20:01.400 it could be then it advanced a and civilization is 297 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:08.079 simulating our reality, and it's like a bag your pardon, 298 00:20:08.400 --> 00:20:12.240 you know, like now listen, sure we can, we can 299 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:15.400 leave it on the table. Fine, But to me, that's 300 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:21.519 not like the most intuitive first guess, like when you 301 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:25.079 observe this kind of seems like a simulated world, which 302 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:27.799 again just means created, Like this just seems like a 303 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:32.039 created world. Well, we've already kind of got stories for that. 304 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:37.279 They're pretty old. They've been around for a while, you know, 305 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:41.440 and that is sort of that sort of fits the 306 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:44.000 way we interact with the world, Like things with the 307 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:49.519 beginning have a cause, and that's you know, if they 308 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:54.680 if they appear to be designed for a purpose, they 309 00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:59.799 usually have a designer. And then of course, like all 310 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:02.000 the other examples I've made already, there's all these other 311 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:07.359 parallels between this and like a virtual world. Why would 312 00:21:07.359 --> 00:21:12.240 the simulators, like why would we assume that they're in 313 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:16.640 here with us, you know, and why would they assume 314 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:21.960 they're like alien? And people say, well, there's parts of 315 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:25.559 the universe that are a billion years older. It's like, okay, 316 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:28.559 but but that, but that means they're in the simulation 317 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:30.920 with that like that, they've been in the simulation with 318 00:21:31.039 --> 00:21:36.359 us longer. So how how do they make the civil 319 00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:38.559 you get what I'm saying, Like that the billion years 320 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:42.279 older thing is irrelevant because if they're in here with us, 321 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:47.160 then they didn't make it. It's totally bad. I don't 322 00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:49.640 even get it, Like I am I missing something? To me, 323 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:54.680 this seems like too ridiculous to be real. And so 324 00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:57.279 I'm relieved that this is a direction she's going because 325 00:21:57.279 --> 00:21:58.599 I thought they were going to be like, we know 326 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:02.759 for sure that that you know, I don't know, there's 327 00:22:02.799 --> 00:22:05.960 no of course, I'm kind of joking because there's no 328 00:22:06.039 --> 00:22:09.160 way that could really disprove this, because I think it's 329 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:15.279 true and I think are The evidence sort of points 330 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:16.799 to that and will continue to point to that, but 331 00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:17.599 let's listen. 332 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:22.799 The idea is called the simulation hypothesis. The philosopher Nick 333 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:27.519 boster Me in particular, has argued that since one real 334 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:33.799 conscious being can simulate potentially trillions of artificial consciousnesses, we 335 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:37.559 are much more likely to be simulated than not. The 336 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:42.119 big problem with the simulation hypothesis is the question of, well, 337 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:45.480 how could you possibly ever falsify it? And if not, 338 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:50.400 isn't it just empty pseudo scientific blather. This is where 339 00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:53.519 the new paper comes in. The authors say that we 340 00:22:53.759 --> 00:22:58.880 can't live in a computer simulation because of Goodle's theorem. 341 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:03.319 Their argument goes like this, we already know that anything. 342 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.079 I hate Goddle's theorem. Roger Penrose talks about it all 343 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:09.359 the time in my mind's like, okay, I guess, so 344 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:10.839 hopefully we can. 345 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:14.359 Heng theory, which can describe everything in our universe is 346 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:20.079 sufficiently complex to fulfill the assumptions of Girdle's theorem. This 347 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:24.400 then means that there are two statements in the theory 348 00:23:24.440 --> 00:23:28.279 for our universe that we can't prove to be true 349 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:32.759 within the theory itself. This is what Goirdle's theorem says, 350 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:36.559 that there are two statements that can't be proved too 351 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.759 within a given theory. So far, that's just maths. The 352 00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:46.359 authors then argue that such true but unprovable statements can 353 00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:50.279 be settled by observations. An example they name are the 354 00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:54.000 detailed properties of what goes on inside of black holes. 355 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:57.319 We know that whatever goes on there has very high, 356 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:02.039 possibly unbounded complexity, and maybe even quantum gravity can't tell 357 00:24:02.119 --> 00:24:04.920 us just what happens, but we could, in principle go 358 00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:08.640 and measure it, hopefully not by jumping into a black hole, 359 00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:12.680 but by measuring what comes out when it evaporates. And 360 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:16.680 there are other examples which physicists have explored where an 361 00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:21.720 observable quantity is uncomputable, such as the properties of certain 362 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:27.240 materials when temperature changes. They are uncomputable not just because 363 00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:30.519 we don't know how to compute them, but because one 364 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:35.000 can prove that any computation would take an infinite amount 365 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:38.359 of time. I talked about this in an earlier video. 366 00:24:39.839 --> 00:24:43.240 This is something like this with you know quantum systems, 367 00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:46.720 that you can achieve true randomness with the quantum system 368 00:24:46.759 --> 00:24:51.960 it is just truly indeterministic. There is no math formula 369 00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:56.799 to determine the way a nucleus will decay, for example. 370 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:59.480 I think that would be a good example. You know, 371 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:01.960 the direct the particle would be ejected, or the rate, 372 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.240 and I think the rate is predictable, but maybe not 373 00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:06.759 the direction. I don't know. But the point is you 374 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:11.799 do have something like true randomness in quantum systems, so 375 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:17.640 you could not compute them. That is true. I think 376 00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:23.119 that's interesting. I don't personally think it's related to just 377 00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.759 a general idea that I kind of like to put 378 00:25:26.799 --> 00:25:29.799 out there on the show. But let's keep listening. Now. 379 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:34.000 The authors of the new paper say, so, Goodle's theorem 380 00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:38.319 tells us that there are some truths about physical properties 381 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:42.559 which we can't prove to be true, but we could 382 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:47.480 go and measure them. Therefore, humans can do something which 383 00:25:47.559 --> 00:25:53.440 the mouths alone can't predict. Consequently, we ourselves can't be 384 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:57.880 computed by an algorithm, and the universe can't be a 385 00:25:57.920 --> 00:25:58.960 computer simulation. 386 00:26:00.039 --> 00:26:03.519 It's just funny because I would never suggest that, you know, 387 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.000 actually I think, I actually think I'm to be one 388 00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:09.400 hundred percent of of be inside here. I'm looking for 389 00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:13.720 like a position to take against her, and I keep 390 00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:15.720 trying to put up arguments, and I'm realizing, no, it's 391 00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:18.480 because she's not arguing against me like she's She's arguing 392 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.160 against something else which I agree with, which is that 393 00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:28.599 you know reality thing you know, certainly not certainly not 394 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:34.920 the fundamental aspects of reality, like at the sub atomic level, 395 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:39.680 or certainly not like at the conscious level. They can't 396 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:43.839 be computed because they're not algorithmic. That that's like, that's 397 00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:47.680 actually kind of like a core, a core tenant of 398 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:51.640 sort of like what I believe about the universe. So 399 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:53.519 so far, so far, so good. Let's see. 400 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.960 This is very similar to the argument that Penrouse has 401 00:26:57.039 --> 00:27:00.720