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Speaker 1: Well, hello everybody, and welcome to for Crying Out Loud.
I'm Stephanie Wilder Taylor and in for Lynette Corolla, which
I'll get to in a minute, is my one of
my besties, but also starting to become a frequent flyer
on this show.
Speaker 2: Tamramello, Hi everybody. Hi Stephanie. I feel like I haven't
seen you in so long.
Speaker 1: Because we really haven't seen each other in a while. Now,
normally we would do this over lunch at the Yardhouse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we've been like two ships passing in the night.
Speaker 1: Yes, because a lot's been going on in your life.
One of the things is something that you're going to
talk about on Patreon. Yes, I'll come out tomorrow. But
your sister just had a baby.
Speaker 2: Yes, my baby sister just had a baby, my little niece.
She's in the nic you, but she's she's doing well,
she's getting stronger, and so we're hoping she gets to
come home soon.
Speaker 1: Now I don't know if this is too personal, but
so what happened. So she just started to go into
labor early.
Speaker 2: Yes, So she went to the hospital on Wednesday, she
just went in for a stress test and then they
were like, oh, the baby's heart rate seems to be dropping.
We're gonna have to do a C section like immediately,
So like all hands on deck, everybody drops, everything, goes
to the hospital and then they're like, you know what,
things is like leveled out.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 2: They were able to give the baby some steroid and
her heart leveled out, and then it was like, we're
just going to keep you overnight for observation and then
you can go home in the morning. And then in
the morning, I get like a panic call they're doing
the sea section at ten, and so I rush over
there and I got there in time they pushed her
sea section. So anyway, baby was born on Thursday, and
she was like a decent wait for being a month early.
She was like five towns eight dunces. But she started
to struggle a little bit with like blood sugar, and
she was jaundice and some stuff like that. So she's
in the nickeo, but you know, she's in very good hands,
and my sister's doing well. She gets to come home today.
So yeah, so we're all excited about this new little
baby and we're all so worried about her.
Speaker 1: But so she's having blood sugar changes, but other than that,
she's fine. And the jaundice that's all they all get. JNDAE.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So right now she's in a little
tanning bed with tiny sun glasses on, and yeah, it's
her blood sugar. And then something else was a little
oh she was she wasn't keeping food down. She was
she was spitting up, and so she hasn't really been
able to nurse. But as of the last couple of days,
she's she's taking bottles of breast milk and so hopefully
we'll get her on the boob soon. But at least
she's eating and she's keeping it down.
Speaker 1: When my twins were in the NICU, the funny thing
was that Sadie, who was born only two pounds, was
just chilling. All she needed was her temp regulated, uh huh.
Whereas Xander was it what needed some extra oxygen. He
was twice the weight of Sadie. So interesting, yeah, but
he needed a little bit more intervention. But then when
he got that intervention, he was out quicker and Sadie
was just there longer. How much does Xander weigh when
he was born he weighed for like four and a
half pounds.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, so significantly more than Sadie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Sadie weigh like two and a half to Sadie
weigh two point four, I want to say, and Xander
weigh four point six something.
Speaker 2: Like that, so almost twice as much as her.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my little sister was just a little over two
pounds when she was born. Interesting, right, and now she's
you know, a good six inches taller than me.
Speaker 1: Oh really wildly unfair. Now you are probably what are you?
Five to one?
Speaker 2: I think I'm five to two. It was funny the
other day I had I had lunch with some girlfriends
who are all of normal height, and they were all
talking about, like, you know, like when kids are like
like barely over five foot, like doing interventions and like
giving them growth hormones and like how disc the cold.
One of my friends was like, it's really.
Speaker 3: Difficult for my twelve year old because she's only five
to three, and da da da, And I'm like, Okay,
I'm going to address the elephant in the room here,
which is your five to two friend, and I'm fine.
Speaker 2: I have never felt disabled. I have never felt like
I needed to be taller.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're five to two. I'm just gonna
go ahead and say it. Sadie is only five to one,
and I do not think you're that much taller than Sadie.
Speaker 2: I've probably shrunk in my old age, but I'm hanging
on to that five to two. It's on my driver's license,
and you can't prove me wrong.
Speaker 1: It's funny because you know, Sadie is one of those
people who was on the growth hormones. But and our
listeners know this, this was a I mean, they went
through with me, but we really went back and forth
because my feeling was if she's even going to be
four eleven, which they had said she she'll probably well
they said between four nine and four eleven, and so
I was like, so let's say she's for eleven. That's fine.
You know, I know a lot of people, a lot
of women who are for eleven. It is not a big,
a huge deal. They're adorable. It's super cute for women
to be short, Like, why not, it's so gone to
sun me listen that the discriminatory attitudes are mostly about
short men. You do not hear people putting down short women.
I never I've never heard it. I've never heard anybody
be like, Ooh, I would never date like a short woman.
I've never heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you're right. And honestly, like,
as an actor, it actually helped me because there are
a lot of very very short male actors running around,
so like a lot of times we would have to
do like height tests and stuff, and so actually being
shorter was an advantage for women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So in my opinion, in my mind, I was like,
I don't think that's going to be huge. I'm not
going to give this child. I'll put them on growth
hormones every day for years so that they'll be five
to one. If they're going to be four eleven, who cares.
It wasn't until and that was when she was three.
They started telling us that, like, you can, you have
the option to do growth hormones and we were like, well,
why there could be side effects. There's like a lot
of reasons not to do that. It wasn't until she
was seven, I want to say that we were like,
this kid has never reached the growth chart. Right at
this rate of growing, there's no possible way this kid's
going to be even four nine. This is not you know. Yeah.
So then we went and got a second opinion, and
that was the head of the Department of endochronology. We
were just like, this is ridiculous. We want to see
the head of the department. We're getting such like you're fine,
you're fine, You're fine. And then he said, no, this
kid's going to be maybe four seven, Like maybe.
Speaker 2: For second course, if you got to do it to
intervene is there and make her quality of life better,
then you take it.
Speaker 1: And we took it and then she but she had
to do shots every single day, seven days long for
seven years. Whoa from seven to fourteen? Wow?
Speaker 2: So they do it and tell their growth plates closed?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how you know how Wow, it's a long time.
Speaker 1: Well it worked, it worked. But my point is like
now she's still really small, she's probably just not quite
five to one, but it's totally fine. She's fine with it.
She's it's much better than being four six or four seven.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because there's a line, like what's the line
where it's considered a disability, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the line is, but then you
need special pedals right around there. Yeah, And we were
like our whole thing was, look, if she becomes an
adult and she's disabled, and she's like, wait, hold on
a minute, right, you could have put me on growth
hormones when I was seven and I would have just
been a normal person. Yeah. Yeah, Now I'm being like ablest.
I don't mean a normal person. I just mean you
could have prevented me from having this hardship more difficult
life pretty easily, but you just chose not to. I
was like, I think she would be more mad than
she will. She'll get used to the shots. And she did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think you did the right thing. And
like being five to one or for me who's much
taller at five two, you know, I think of that
sometimes where I'm like, you know, like I'm moving chairs
across the kitchen to stamp on them to get something.
But I've been doing that for my whole life, so
it's not like I notice a difference. Like I've never
I've never been tall, so the way I deal with
like getting things that are up high as I stand
on stuff, and it's never it's never felt odd to
me or like that's not fair. Like I like having
tall friends because then they can just get stuff for me.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think it's interesting being so I was always
five five and a half and now I'm five four,
and I just there's certain things that I think we
all have that you just don't notice. You just don't notice.
Like I guess I'm average height. I've never felt tall.
I've never felt short. Yeah, fantastic, It's just my height
is what it is, which I guess I'm kind of relieved,
like I've never had to think about certain things either way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like most people don't think unless,
you know, when when kids are growing and like the
girls are taller than the boys. Like I think there's
probably a level there of like you know, awkwardness and stuff.
But I imagine once you get to the height, you're going
to be Like I have friends that are like six
four six five. They're just used to ducking all the time,
you know what I mean. Think it doesn't occur to
them like this is weird, this sucks.
Speaker 1: They just duck. Yeah. I do have a friend though,
a female friend who's very, very very tall, and it
sucked for her. It was awful as a woman to
be crazy tall because that's all she would hear about.
Like people have no issue with just being rude and
saying like, oh my god, how's the weather up there,
and like stupid stuff. And it's hard to date because
you have to only date other well you don't have to,
but I guess it's more comfortable because of this thing
that I'm saying where men feel like they don't want
a woman who's way taller than them, makes them feel,
I don't know, emasculated. It's a weird society thing because
now I got a son who's five to five, and
you have a son who's so shorter a son too,
and you know that's it's hard, you know, especially I
get my feelings hurt on his behalf when I hear
people women say even will sometimes make a comment and
be like about a guy and be like, well he's
really short. I'm like, right, yeah, who cares?
Speaker 2: I know. I hope that there's a change that's happening
where it just starts to not matter as much to people,
you know, like as we move into where I hope
is a more inclusive era of like, you know, we're
seeing more body positivity. I hope that height thing kind
of goes away a little bit, although I don't know
that it will.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it's a lot easier as a man
to be short in the gay community because then somebody
gets to has to be the short one. Yeah, I
think so thinks really uneducated of me, or.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know that we're both educated because I
think so.
Speaker 1: These are things I wonder to myself, you know, Yeah,
somebody has to.
Speaker 2: Be the short one to the bottom of it, or
we could just ask somebody.
Speaker 1: I just feel like lesbians would not give a fuck.
Speaker 2: No, no, well, listen, I would need to know.
Speaker 1: Lesbians are just people.
Speaker 2: Some of them might like talk women, some of that
may not.
Speaker 1: But then that would be such a personal preference and
not like a thing like, oh my god, you don't
want to be like a short lesbian like you're that's
probably never occurred to anybody, right, maybe to get canceled camera,
And you're.
Speaker 2: Gonna help me with many people. So let me say
short people check tall people, check lesbians check gay men
check short men.
Speaker 1: Like we've we've run the gamut. Yeah, no, we're I'm
not insulting short men. I'm saying I'm I'm pro shortman.
That's what I just want. If you take nothing else
from this conversation, it's let's stop. Let's let's leave short
men alone. They're awesome and listen. It just needs some confidence,
you know. Yeah, I don't think we're helping. It's always
bothered me, this thing of like, I don't know, I've
always been sensitive for when women make a lot of
jokes about like penis size, I always just feel bad
because these are things that people cannot help about themselves,
you know. And when people are like, I'm proudly a
size queen. I only like big dicks.
Speaker 2: It's like, why I'm I'm in no way a size queen.
But I will tell you I've had a little experience
with like I'm going to go ahead and say microfallis,
Like I think it was like a legitimate, like a
are you in situation?
Speaker 1: And that wasn't great for me, right, yeah, But let
me ask you this. Were you surprised by the micro situation? Yeah,
I was surprised.
Speaker 2: And here's the thing. It really it didn't change my feelings.
It didn't change like how I felt about this person.
It wasn't great, you know, but it was only one
side of the relationship, so it wasn't It wasn't that
big a deal.
Speaker 1: But it is worth noting now I have this happen
to me too.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is if anyone I've ever dated
is listening to this, they're wondering if I'm talking about them.
Speaker 1: I think they would know, right, Like, if you have
a legit situation, a tiny situation, you know, you know.
Speaker 2: But it's still the people who who don't have that situation,
they still might be thinking I'm talking about them. We'll
see what kind of text I get.
Speaker 1: That's because all men who have penises probably fear that
it's not they're not enough. Yeah, unless they're super well endowed.
I bet you're somewhere out there there's a guy with
like a ten inch penis who's like, oh, it feels
kind of small like sometimes. But here's here's what happened
with me. I dated somebody with a very very with
probably a micro situation, who told me about it ahead
of time. Okay, oh to situations. Two situations happened. One
was a guy who we were on a date and
we were making out. I thought this guy was so hot.
I really liked him, and he kind of at one
point we were making out, kind of rubbing up against
each other. Maybe I don't know. I was in my
twenties and he sort of rolls away and he says,
what would you say if I told you I'm not
well endowed? And I kind of started laughing because I
thought he was I thought he was making a joke,
you know what I mean. It was like the way
this situation was, I thought he was being kind of
funny and I started laughing and he got super offended
and was like, uh, wow, that's that's rude or something.
And then I was like, no, no, no, I I
were you being serious. I thought you were kind of
joking and he was like and then it moodkiller.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a real moodkiller.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other than that guy, I never heard from
him again. He was mad. Another situation happened though, where
I was definitely dating this guy and he said I
need to tell you something and then he said, I
have a really really small penis. And then now in
that case, I wish I'd just been surprised, because the
idea like knowing it started making me feel scared, right like,
this is a big enough deal that he had to
tell me about it, and now my reaction is going
to be He's going to be hyper aware of what
my reaction is going to be. Yeah, so now I'm
self conscious. Right, it was really small?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Was it smaller than expected?
Speaker 1: Well? I was just so nervous about the whole thing.
I was already kind of not into it because now
I'm all prepared for it made it so serious, you know,
I don't think I genuinely don't think I would have
cared that much had it not been presented to me
as such a big deal. And then I felt pressured
about it. And then I didn't really like the guy anyway.
And it was not because of his penis, but he
thinks it is, of course. Yeah, for sure, I was
looking into like penis enlargement technology. Huh.
Speaker 2: I wonder if he did it? Can we get him
on the phone.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you his name? No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: I know, as we're doing this, I'm like, really, the
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you all all on. Lynette is a not feeling well today.
She has she's really sick. She had a fever, so tamer.
You may not know this, but poor Lynette, her dog
phil Is he had to have surgery too. He had herniate,
three herniated discs in his spine. No yes. And so
a week ago today, Lynette and I were recording and
she said that that morning her dog couldn't walk, he
couldn't put any pressure on his back legs. And so
when she got home that day, I guess he still
couldn't walk. So she took him to the vet and
it was kind of an emergency situation, and he was
running a fever and he had to have this emergency surgery.
So he had the surgery, and he still can't quite
feel his back legs, so it's kind of a wait
and see situation. But he was running a fever this morning.
And then also at the same time, while Lynette's freaking
out about this, she starts running a fever. She didn't
get it from from Phil, but she started running a fever.
She's sick. So today she texts me and she says, uh,
I have a really bad cough. Okay, well that's going
to require a lot of editing. So she started, she wented.
She did a telehealth thing yesterday and she got anti biotics,
so she'll be she'll be feeling better by next week.
But that's what's going on with Lynette. But I was
so thrilled that you could do the podcast today. It's
already been Yeah, me too.
Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here. I'm thinking good thoughts for
Lynette and her puppy.
Speaker 1: How old is he he's ten? Oh, I know he's
a big lab. He's a big uh, like one hundred
pounds lab.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm probably the super active and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now you have two dogs that I think
you just had to escort out of the room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just had to drag them out of the
room because they were wrestling behind me. But one of
them is border Collie, and I worry about her because
she's going to be eight and she still like jumps
straight up in the air to like snatch a frisbee
and like twist, and I'm so worried about her hips
and her spine because she's like a wild lady.
Speaker 1: So tell everybody the story, since we're dog storying it
of you getting tell them about getting both your dogs,
because you've told me these stories. They're good stories, and
they kind of and the second one reminds me a
little bit of Bob.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a similar tale my first one, the
border Collie. My son really wanted a border Collie and
I don't know why, but he did, oh because he
met one in Montana. And then so I started looking
and I and I put like border Collie rescue poppy
or whatever into the Internet, and a picture of like
this perfect eight week or six week old like border
collie puppy popped up, and I.
Speaker 1: Was sure it was a catfish. I was sure of.
Speaker 2: It, but anyway, she wasn't. We got her from a
rescue and she was just she and her littermates have
been abandoned and so a rescue pulled her and we
got her, which was great, but you know, like the
rescue charged us eight hundred dollars for the dog, and
so I'm always like, did I buy a dog? I
feel a little bit like I bought a dog. And
so then the next time around, when it came to Bird,
our little Australian shepherd, she was actually at the shelter
that Yuki, our first one, had been pulled from, and
she just came up across my like Border Collie rescue page.
They were like, this is a courtesy postings. This assie
is going to be put down tomorrow if nobody gets her.
And so I got her, and you know, this beautiful
nine month old Australian shepherd.
Speaker 1: But did just you have to talk Polo into it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I had to talk him into it. I kept
showing him the picture, and I kept showing my son
the picture and being like, what do you think what
about this dog? And my son was like, I don't
want another dog. It's going to make Yuki feel bad.
She's gonna feel like she's replaced. And I finally just
wore them both down and they were like, go get
your fucking dog, just like leave us alone, Go get
your dog. But the funny thing, well, I'm not funny.
It was actually tragic. When I pulled into the parking
lot at the shelter, I had Yuki with me because
the shelter said that I had to bring her to
make sure the dogs got along. And as soon as
I pulled into the parking lot, Yuki started freaking out,
like shaking and crying like she's somehow still, I guess
based on the smell of it, like she knew where
she was and she knew she had been there before.
Speaker 1: It was so sad. It was when I brought her in.
Speaker 2: Like they take you into the little like like meet
and greet room, and Yuki just hid behind a chair
shivering and crying. And then they brought Burden and she
was an even bigger mess. But when she saw Yuki,
she started like like wagging her little like nub of
a tail, her little wigglebuts started going, so they let
us have her. Ah yeah, yeah, she did, okay, fit
there was a learning fur. But now they're best friends.
Speaker 1: I love that story. Yeah, you know you paid eight
hundred dollars, but I ended up paying basically twelve hundred dollars. Yes,
let me ask you this is a scam. It's probably not.
This just happened this morning. First of all, update on Bob.
He's doing fantastic. He sneezed just the sweetest. So but
I have a broken foot, as I think I announced
last week, so I can't walk him. I cannot walk him.
But what I can do is go in my backyard
and throw the ball with him, which she really likes.
So I taught him how to play ball. Penelope never
played ball before. I literally taught him. I showed him
the ball, I threw it for him. He didn't have
any idea what I was talking about. So I went
over with him and I put the ball in front
of him and I was like, this is a ball,
and then I threw it. I was like, go get it.
And then we did that a few times where he
didn't do it, and then all of a sudden he
caught on and now play. So now he if I
throw the ball, he gets really excited and he goes
and gets it, and then I have to go like
cook Boy Bob, and he takes the ball at heap
it back to me and he presents his mouth for
me to take the ball out, and then.
Speaker 2: And he lets you take the ball.
Speaker 1: Yes, and I've never that, never, not one time did
Penelope play with a toy or play ball.
Speaker 2: Oh well, this is exciting news because it's a great
way to exercise him without having to do too much. Yeah,
how was his obedience class?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was so ridiculous. It was not good.
And this is not to say that obedience classes are
not probably great, but maybe we got a bad one. Okay,
But before I tell you about the obedience class, I
just want to say, so, when I got Bob at
the shelter, they said, here's the microchip number. So you're
going to want to go to this website called like
twenty four something and register put in your information so
that they have you on file. So I go to
the thing and then you have to you have to
figure out whatever. I go to that website and I
put in the microchip number and it says this dog's
already registered, So I'm like okay, and then it says
you have to call this number to transfer it or
to change the information. Okay, So I call the number
guy answers. The guy gets on the phone and he's like, hey,
so so okay, yeah, no problem, I can help you.
I said, Now, the shelter told me that this dog
is microchipped and that they registered the microchip for me,
but not with my name. It's registered basically come back
to the shelter with whatever. But they couldn't add me
from somehow they couldn't add me. So he goes, yeah,
no problem, I can do handle all that for you.
But you know, so do you want to sign up
for like by the year or like a lifetime like registration.
So I had to pay one hundred and nineteen dollars
to have him registered for life. And I was like,
is this a scam? Because the Pound did not say
anything about that. They said, all you have to do
is go on this website and put in your information
so that you are the registered owner. Yeah. I sit
to him. I go, they didn't tell me that. I
didn't know there was a fee. And he's like, well yeah,
otherwise it just goes back to the shelter, like then
they're the owners, Like they didn't pay money. I said, well,
right here, it says that for seven dollars and fifty cents,
that's what you're paying for the microchip registry. And he goes, No,
that shelter goes through our company and it's our software.
It's like holding all the information. I don't know. But
what was I What was I going to do? He's like,
you couldn't. You don't have to. He goes, it'll just
but and then the shelter, if the shelter has record
of you, then they can And I was like, well,
I'll just pay.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I don't remember for ever having to
pay that much. I don't remember ever having to pay
more than like twenty five bucks. But maybe maybe I'm
not remembering correctly.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I paid to get a license.
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: Like I would have no idea who the company even
is that has microchipped my dogs. I have no idea, Like,
I'm just assuming if a dog gets out, they will
scan and someone will call me. Like that's how it works.
Speaker 1: Right, that was going to be my assumption, except that,
like I said, the shelter was very clear on you
need to put your information in at this company and
then right they'll know to contact you.
Speaker 2: Right now having to do that. But I don't remember
first of all talking to a human or paying one
hundred and nineteen dollars. I think I got scammed, but
what you may have gotten scammed.
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure out a way to not do it, though,
because when I put in the microchip information, it did
come up with that company. So they're all registered to
a company, and it showed me this microchip comes up
for this, and it was the one that's in my
shelter paperwork. And they were giving me no other option.
I was like, is there a free option? And they're
like no, right, anyway, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong because as you know, like when
you first get a dog, you're just hemorrhaging money. Oh yeah,
you know for everything, for the vet, for the obedience classes,
all the things.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So okay, so here's how my how my class went.
Hold on a second, Bob is eating my shoe and
I need John to come. John and I have a
little joke that goes my shoe my shoe, which is
a very old private joke having to do with like
my brother's ex girlfriend who won said that. So now
anytime you try to say something about your shoe. John'll
be like, I'm sorry what, And then I have to
go my shoe, my shoe.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it means.
Speaker 1: So many stupid private jokes that like, for some reason,
we used to make fun of the cartoon character Ziggy
a lot, and Ziggy was I want to say, Ziggy
was kind of a like office character, and so Ziggy
always said organized like instead of organized. So now if
I say, oh, I need to organize this, John will
be like, you have to what. I'm sorry what? Then
I have to go organizze.
Speaker 2: Do you have to sometimes think twice about the right
way to pronounce it? Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, so this obedience class was so dumb, Tamra, I
have to I need to sign up for a place
like the zoom room or it goes to the park
or something, because this was ridiculous. Okay, So we get there.
It's at the pet store, right. Yeah, I don't want
to name Nate, I don't even want to say which
pet store, and I'm not going to name the person's
name because she sure meant well. But we get there
with Bob and also, and there'd been like a lot
of miscommunication because when I first got Bob and looked
into this. I was like, he can't come yet because
he's sick. Now he's better, And I picked a date
and then I continue to get texts going, Okay, are
you coming, and I was like, no, I'm coming on
such and such a date. And then anyway, get to
the We get to the class and there's only one
other person in the there's supposed to be two other dogs.
Because kind of part of the point was I wanted
Bob to have I wanted it to be kind of socializing. Yeah,
I feel like, if it's simple obedience training, you can
literally do that off YouTube. I bring your percent. You
don't need somebody literally teaching you how to get your
dog to sit or stay, or you don't. You could
either hire a trainer or you can look at YouTube
videos and teach your dog how to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we hired a trainer for Yuki after the Zoom
Room because she's a wild maniac. But then when we
got Bird, Yuki trained Bird, I didn't even I didn't
have to train that dog. Youki just showed her the
ropes and she's perfectly well behaved. Well.
Speaker 1: The thing about Bob, Bob is very smart and I
think he needs some mental challenges, and I thought it
would also just be a good engaging thing for his brain.
And he likes to learn, he loves to play, so
I thought this would be really good. And I thought,
but my main thing was being around a couple other dogs.
I thought that'd be good for him. So anyway, we
get there, it's just sort of looks like it's just
like a room, and then there's some chairs and then
the girl was very young who was our dog trainer.
Let me put it this way, she didn't really have
the riz that I feel like it takes to be
a dog.
Speaker 2: Driner right right to the alpha in the group.
Speaker 1: She was so not an alpha. She was very sweet.
She was like, Hi, oh, who's this? You know. We're like,
this is Bob and she's like, oh my goodness, well
aren't you sweet? And then I'm like, this is not
what I've seen on any TV shows about doctor.
Speaker 2: The Milan does not see their milan energy.
Speaker 1: No. I was like, Bob is not going to listen
to this lady. But whatever. So then the other people
come in with their dog, and right away their dog
is seems is really barking. Is not the roll to
see another dog. So she's like, Okay, I'm going to
put up this like divider. So she puts up this
divider in the middle of the room, which totally I
get it, but I'm like and then she says, okay,
so there's to be one more dog, but I don't
think they're gonna make it today. So I'm like, okay,
so it's just us in this asshole. Like. So then
this couple, they seem nice enough, but they were like,
so our dog, they had a lot going on. They
were like, our dog just got her nails trimmed, and
now she's been limping since her nails got trimmed. But also,
we just got back from out of town, and we
think our dog is like mad, she's not behaving well.
So let's call let's call let's call this dog trainer,
let's call her Flower. So Flower is just like, oh no,
why do you have such a bad attitude? This is
how she's talking to the dog. What kind of dog
was this other dog? Like a small shepherd type dog. Okay,
So she's like, oh no, what you have an attitude?
How come you're acting like this? How come you're acting
so like? Uh, how come you're acting so so like
giving me so much attitude, you liked me last week,
little flower. And meanwhile, okay, this is what she's taught
us so far. She's like okay, oh well, first of all,
we get to a long intake of just like, so,
what do you guys want to learn and we're like, oh,
come on. So we're like, I don't know, just so
like obedience training, just like she goes, okay, have you
already taught him how to sit? And we're like, well,
we didn't really teach him, but he does he will sit.
You know. Okay, what do you want to mainly what
would you like to learn? And we're like, well, you
know what we want to learn recall because I think
that's really important because I'm scared if he gets off
the leash or whatever. Want him to come. Oh yeah,
that's really important. That's so important. That's good. That's good
that you guys want to learn that. Like okay, she's like, okay,
so here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna we got
treats and we're gonna have Bob sit and then she
goes it no, yeah, and then she's like, and here's
what you do. You take the treat and you put
it like you put you put it on top of
their nose so that their head goes back so that
they sit. Okay, that's fine. But then she's like, and
then you're gonna take a step back and you're gonna
say stay, and then you're gonna if he stays, then
you're gonna go back to come over to him. Sorry,
that's him shaking his color, and you're gonna give him
the treat. And you're gonna say, give him the treat. Okay.
That's literally all we learned. It's an hour long class.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she sounds like she's just making it up
as she goes along. My god, she does not feel qualified.
Speaker 1: No, so we practiced that, you know, and then she
went off to go deal with the dog with the
attitude who was mad at its owners and was there
for so long like just kept and oh my, you
know what it reminded me of like when you have
a friend who's got a kid who's kind of misbehaving,
and instead of like making a boundary and going like
if you if you continue to behave like that, you're
going to have a timeout or something and then give
the time out, it's you know, the people that are like,
oh my god, Tommy, stop doing that. Can you not
do that anymore? She was talking like that to the dog,
like she just kept going, Oh, he's really like not happy. Huh.
He's really mad at you guys, isn't he. He's so
mad at you guys. I'm sure they were as frustrated
me as we were the other couple, because they were like, yeah,
but what do we do, right, And she's like, yeah, hmm,
he's just really not acting well, he's not really listening,
is he. I was getting so mad. Yeah. John was
kept practicing our you know, sit and day too. John
was he was practicing sit and stay over and over.
But at a certain point, I'm like, Bob started losing focus,
which you're only really supposed to work on training with
a dog for like ten minutes at a time. They're
not meant to be like spend forty five minutes. It's
not calculus, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And if
it was calculus, they're not gonna they can't. They can't
take that. They need something they need to like. So
then I started getting like should we just go because
she was not even talking to us on the other
side of the room, and john'said we should just wait
till she kind of comes back over. I was like, well,
I don't know what else. So finally I say, should
we just go? And I'm not being mean or anything.
She goes, yeah, I mean, well, we don't really want
to overwhelm Bob, like you know, and I go, yeah, yeah,
I know, so we can't keep like he's starting to
lose focus, he's not really listening anymore. And she's like, yeah,
I mean you do have like another five minutes, but
I mean you don't want to try to overwhelm them
with too many skills.
Speaker 2: No, because she learned a single skill.
Speaker 1: This girl was probably i'm gonna say nineteen like twenty
uh huh.
Speaker 2: So she had neuro training for the dollar and there's this.
Speaker 1: Is a major pet store chain, Like I'm like, is
there no no one overseeing? Like their their trainer. They
offer classes through. It was weird. So then I came
home and I'm like, we have five more of these classes,
but I don't know if I really want bah. I mean,
I mean, I shall you get your money back? I
should ask? Huh you should ask.
Speaker 2: I don't know about these these pet store trainers. I
can tell you that my mother has the most poorly
behaved dogs I've ever met, and this is consistent throughout
my lifetime. And she was thrilled because the trainer that
she met at a pet store agreed to be her
private trainer. And all that training consists of is like
squirting the dog in the face with like a bottle
of water. And so now if you go to my
mom's house, it's like mark and like squirting the dog
and bark, bark, bark and squirting the dog and so
the dogs are soaking wet but still barking.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's not great. It's not great. So that
was That's been my takeaway from like getting your dog
trained at a pet store. I don't think you're getting
like like the quality you're wanting.
Speaker 1: Right. Well, she was very she was only into positive. Oh,
but we were asking our questions like, okay, so what
do we do. We're worried about leaving Bob home alone
in the house because we're scared because he is very
much into eating paper. He would like he will eat
papers that are loose that he can find, and he
likes to go in the trash. And she's like, well,
one thing that is good is distraction method. I's like, okay,
so what does that entail? And then she tells us
but it's so like she's like, dogs have really bad fomo.
So if your dog is in the trash, what you
do is you go like, oh my gosh, I'm doing
a really fun thing over here, and then your dog
will look up and come over to what you're doing,
and then you give them a treat. And I was like,
We're like, okay, so you just.
Speaker 2: Have to hire professional distractors to stay at your house
when you're not there.
Speaker 1: I was like, but what if we come home and
we find that our dog, like, you know, shit on
the rug and ate all of our mail. Oh, We're
like yeah, what then? Flower? You got an answer for that?
It was pretty useless. I'm like, we could ask chat you,
we could chat, GPT would train. Bob's so much faster
than Flower parblic totally.
Speaker 2: You gotta get out from under that Flower.
Speaker 1: You know what?
Speaker 2: You could take him to do two once, like he's
got his basic commands. I took Yuki to agility training.
I want to do her by your house. There's the
park by your house, and there's a woman that does
agility training.
Speaker 1: There and it was great.
Speaker 2: I can't remember if it was once or twice a week,
but she would like set up with all of the
obstacle courses and the slides and the tunnels and it
was super super fun. I was like, such a good
way to get their brains engaged, to tire them out.
Speaker 1: I used to see that. I think she does it
on I forgot what day of the week, but I
used to see her set up all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ask her next time she's set up.
I can't remember how I found her. It was like
down some rabbit hole on the internet that I managed
to find her. But just go talk to her. She's
a bad ass's she's no flower, She's an oak tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I'm really excited to do stuff like that
with Bob though, because I feel like Penelope was already
old when we got her and just not interested in
stuff like that. She just didn't care. But Bob seems
like he would be so down for like classes, and
he's just he's just super mellow with other dogs. And
that's today he barked for the first time he did. Yeah,
it was really cute. I mean, listen, I will it
be great all the time. No, but he'd been scared
to bark. He hadn't barked. One time somebody came to
the door like a salesperson and he started barking, like
like this is my house.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh good for Bob. It's always like like with bird,
I was like, I don't think this dog barks. That's amazing.
Now that bitch will not shut up. It's a careful
what you wish for situation.
Speaker 1: All right, Listen, Tamra, you have an amazing jewelry business.
Thank you. It is on Etsy. Tell everybody to find it.
What you got.
Speaker 2: Well, the name of my business is Gray by Tamra Mellow,
So you can find me at Gray by tamramellow dot
com or you can find me on my Instagram which
is Tamramello. And yeah, like I work mostly in bronze
on some silver and some copper, and I make custom pieces.
So if there's something that you know, if you go
to my shop and you're like, oh I want this
one thing but I don't see it, just reach out
to me. I can probably make it for you.
Speaker 1: And also you make those fabulous the necklace with the
guitar pick. Can you personalize the guitar picks because one
thing I realized I was just on your site earlier
and the X. I thought that X was for Xander.
But it's for ten for a ten year anniversary gift. Yeah,
it's so.
Speaker 2: Ten is the ten year anniversary. So that's why it's
it's on a tin pick. But when you were looking
for a gift for Xander, like, oh my god, I
could just make him this, So yes, they can be personalized.
I make everything from scratch, so you can have whatever
you want on a guitar pit.
Speaker 1: I love it, and my son loves that necklace. He
wears it to almost all his gigs, so that those
are fabulous presents if anybody is looking for something, especially
for a guy, because guys need to be hard to
shop for.
Speaker 2: They're really hard to shop for, and so that necklace,
I mean, I also just sell it as a guitar pick,
and it comes like in a little leather case or
I do a keychain out of it, because not all
guys like to wear jewelry. But like, if you have
like someone in your life who's a guitar player, I
put it in this little leather case that has a
keychain on it, so they can just carry a pick
around with them in case they need one. I love that, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love that. Okay, well, please check out Tamar's business
and she is going to do our Patreon that'll be
up tomorrow and then you're gonna come back and do
the Friday show. But don't you guys, don't worry about
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Emeraldbloomtherapy dot com. All right, thanks everybody. You're a parent, now,
do not it up. It's good letting