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<v Speaker 1>They got wonderful reporting there, including the reporting from White

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<v Speaker 1>House correspondent. Welcome back, Nick Gilbertson. It's a pleasure to

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<v Speaker 1>have you back on the program.

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<v Speaker 2>Nick. I hope you're doing well. Hey, Brian, doing very well.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks great, great to be here and.

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<v Speaker 1>A good topic of conversation. Was an interesting revelation from

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times. I don't think they necessarily intended

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<v Speaker 1>the article to turn out this way, but boiled Down

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<v Speaker 1>effectively points out that Biden actually did not individually approve

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<v Speaker 1>the names that a lot of the folks that he

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<v Speaker 1>pardoned via the auto pen. Now this has been widely

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledged that the auto pen was used rather than Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden actually sitting down on a document and signing his

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<v Speaker 1>executive orders, they have a machine that mimics his signature.

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<v Speaker 1>That is okay to use many presidents have used it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you must specifically authorize the use of the auto

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<v Speaker 1>pen for something that you know what's in it. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't just say there's no blanket authorization to use the

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<v Speaker 1>autopen for some something. Some random individual in the administration

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<v Speaker 1>decides he needs to be signed. But that sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. Nick, break it down from our listening audience,

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<v Speaker 1>would you please.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, Brian. So, there were like four batches of

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<v Speaker 3>these pardons that Biden kind of issues here in the

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<v Speaker 3>last few months as president. And three of the four batches,

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<v Speaker 3>where you know, has to do with these categorical pardons

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<v Speaker 3>that were like large sweeping pardons over these swaths of criminals.

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<v Speaker 3>And the last, of course, was that those preemptive pardons

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<v Speaker 3>on the last day in office of family members and touch.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, the New York Times they buried it very

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<v Speaker 3>very deep in the article here, which was it was

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<v Speaker 3>written pretty I think friendly to Biden. Yeah, but quote,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Biden did not end visually approve each name for

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<v Speaker 3>the category oracle pardons that applied to large numbers of people.

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<v Speaker 3>He and AIDS confirmed. So that's Biden admitting that for

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<v Speaker 3>the Times rather, after extensive discussion of different possible criteria,

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<v Speaker 3>he signed off on standards he wanted to be used

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<v Speaker 3>to determine which convicts would qualify for a reduction in sentence.

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<v Speaker 3>But apparently they were still getting this information after Biden,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, had given his instructions and criteria from the

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<v Speaker 3>Bureau of Prisons, and the list kept getting of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>who's going to get pardon, kept getting edited, there were

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<v Speaker 3>small changes to it, and quote according to The Times,

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<v Speaker 3>rather than ask mister Biden to keep signing revised versions,

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<v Speaker 3>his staff waited and then ran the final version through

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<v Speaker 3>the auto pen, which they saw as a routine procedure.

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<v Speaker 3>He aids said, So that's Biden's not seeing the final

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<v Speaker 3>list of who he's signing off on to be pardoned there,

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<v Speaker 3>and it just calls into you know question, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, many are questioning the legitimacy of these pardons

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<v Speaker 3>now that have happened, and you have Oh, go ahead, Brian, Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, I was gonna you conclude your thought. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I interjected prematurely.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, no, no worries.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but I guess we're in an uncharted We're in

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<v Speaker 1>uncharted waters. Here is this ever come up in a

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<v Speaker 1>prior administration. I guess for as long as auto pens

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<v Speaker 1>have been around, this is a potential issue, but I

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<v Speaker 1>don't recall this ever coming up. That's somehow, in some

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<v Speaker 1>way an executive order signed by auto pen might be

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<v Speaker 1>void or negated because it didn't receive specific approval from

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<v Speaker 1>the president.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and there's I guess there was this process to

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<v Speaker 3>which this kind of what would go through according to

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<v Speaker 3>the Times, and you know their sources and emails they reviewed.

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<v Speaker 3>But so I guess Biden would you know, indicate in

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<v Speaker 3>these meetings what criteria he wanted for these you know,

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<v Speaker 3>batches of pardons to top advisors like cheapest staff Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 3>Siance and White House counsel Ed Ciskel, and then they

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<v Speaker 3>would relay so that like those wishes from Biden to

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<v Speaker 3>their assistants I guess, who reportedly weren't in the meetings themselves.

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<v Speaker 3>Then the assistance would craft reports that would get reviewed

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<v Speaker 3>by senior advisors like Science and Ciscol, as well as

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<v Speaker 3>others in the meetings, and then they'd make their way

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<v Speaker 3>to this woman, Stephanie Feldman, who is the White House

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<v Speaker 3>Staff Secretary and was reportedly in charge of the auto

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<v Speaker 3>pen So it's kind of like, you know, zience and fiscal.

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<v Speaker 2>On the list.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it looks like they're the gatekeepers to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what Biden said, and and you know, and they're they're

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<v Speaker 3>relaying the information. So I think it comes down to

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<v Speaker 3>it looks pretty interesting here this process through through which

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<v Speaker 3>through which these approvals went through.

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<v Speaker 1>So it sounds me like assuming that Biden was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>coherent enough and capable enough of deciding what criteria he

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<v Speaker 1>wants in connection with these just literally thousands of convicted criminals,

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<v Speaker 1>he says something to the effect, Okay, if they're convicted

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<v Speaker 1>for a non violent drug charge and fill in the

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<v Speaker 1>blank xyz, then I would approve a pardon, but not

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<v Speaker 1>naming a specific person. So you take the list of criteria, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they meet these check marks, ABC and D, and Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>Science writes them down on a list and decides who

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<v Speaker 1>the people are that actually meet the criteria without Joe

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<v Speaker 1>Biden seeing it, approving it specifically, and then off it

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<v Speaker 1>goes to the secretary in charge of the autopen and

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<v Speaker 1>it's signed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And certainly that's what the Times report indicates, even

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<v Speaker 3>though they don't say it write that explicitly, they kind

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, play oh yeah, play around with the

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<v Speaker 3>work a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I read the article.

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<v Speaker 1>They dance around it as well as they can, but

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<v Speaker 1>I I mean, they did write that this is what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>So it puts these things on in the focus of

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<v Speaker 1>maybe trying to find them to have them legally declared void.

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<v Speaker 1>Now moving over from the prisoners, and we can argue

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<v Speaker 1>all day long and whether or not those they're appropriate,

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<v Speaker 1>But the preemptive pardons, it was the autopen used for

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<v Speaker 1>the likes of Fauci for example, because I know, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess Senator rand paul Is is going to go take

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<v Speaker 1>a crack at relaunching the criminal investigation into doctor Fauci.

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<v Speaker 1>So was the autopen used for those? Because I read,

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<v Speaker 1>at least in multiple places that Joe Biden actually wielded

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<v Speaker 1>his own pen when he signed a pardon for his

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<v Speaker 1>son Hunter.

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<v Speaker 2>But what about the other ones?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know Hunter was earlier than the other ones.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Ones came on January nineteenth, and those were you know,

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<v Speaker 3>some family members I think doctor Fauci as well, and others.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's pretty interesting because so you know, we don't

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<v Speaker 3>know exactly how involved by the you know, Biden held

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<v Speaker 3>a meeting till late in the evening of January nineteenth.

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<v Speaker 3>According to the article about who you know certain pardons

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<v Speaker 3>he wanted, and one antidote in there too is pretty

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<v Speaker 3>interesting is Jim Clyburn, you know, actually who was instrumental

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<v Speaker 3>in getting South Carolina to flip for Biden in the

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty Democratic primary, spoke with the president or was

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<v Speaker 3>with the president earlier that day and convinced him to

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<v Speaker 3>add somebody to the pardon list. So pretty interesting. It

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<v Speaker 3>kind of I think it shows how impressionable.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Biden was malleable.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, exactly right. So this pardon list gets I

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<v Speaker 3>believe it came from a Cisco aid, you know, And

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<v Speaker 3>this is very shortly after this meeting concludes. Her is

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<v Speaker 3>still going at like ten pm at night, and it

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<v Speaker 3>gets from a Cisco aid and I think over to

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<v Speaker 3>a Zience aid and it gets forwarded over to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Zience and Feldman, who is again the White How Staff

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<v Speaker 3>secretary in charge of the pen and apparently within three

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<v Speaker 3>minutes of receiving this draft of apparently you know, a

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<v Speaker 3>draft summary of some pardons Science hits quote reply all

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<v Speaker 3>according to the Times, and then he wrote, quote, I

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<v Speaker 3>approve the use of autopen for the execution of all

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<v Speaker 3>the following parties. So I yes, approve the use of

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<v Speaker 3>autopen for the execution of all the following parts. Not

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<v Speaker 3>I Joe Biden, right, Not I approved this with Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 3>I ran this by Joe Biden. I I personally approved.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that's I mean, that's a major issue.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think too, as you know, this kind of

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<v Speaker 3>web kind of you know, people pull strings here and

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<v Speaker 3>kind of follow along where this story goes. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like some of these people in the Biden administration will

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<v Speaker 3>probably start, you know, turning on each other here as well,

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<v Speaker 3>so we'll see, you know, you never know, but well,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>The vehicle as an attorney, I'm wondering the vehicle that

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<v Speaker 1>would end up, you know, addressing this in front of

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<v Speaker 1>a court standing becomes an issue. But I guess if,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, if you take Rand Paul's illustration he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to go after doctor Fauci criminally, Fauci will assert his

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<v Speaker 1>preemptive pardon as a defense to that, and then Rand

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<v Speaker 1>Paul would say no, that presidential pardon is null and

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<v Speaker 1>void because Joe Biden didn't give specific authorization for the

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<v Speaker 1>autopend use on it. So that would be a vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>to litigate whether or not these are void.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that would be a brilliant vehicle. Absolutely, And I

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<v Speaker 3>think you just laid it out there perfectly, Brian. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Rand could absolutely explore, h explore that option.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, well, well, and I guess there are other

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<v Speaker 1>criminal investigations could be looked into too, like the multiple

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<v Speaker 1>Shell corporations that were behind the scene, which seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be the vehicle to blunder a whole bunch of money

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<v Speaker 1>to the Biden family.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely, to all those Shell companies that buy and

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<v Speaker 3>was or Hunter Biden was involved with, you know, Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Biden's brother there was involved with just just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>really amazing stuff here and it uh yeah, just again,

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<v Speaker 3>this this, this whole situation here with the auto pen

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<v Speaker 3>with these clemency decisions, just I think calls into question

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<v Speaker 3>even more so. You know, you know, as this scrutiny

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<v Speaker 3>builds in the in the mainstream media, because we you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we've been scrutinizing by mental acuity, you know, throughout the administration. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, kind of getting on board here and finally,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, ending the game of pretend that nothing was

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<v Speaker 3>nothing seemed to be wrong. Yeah, I think it just

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<v Speaker 3>one of you tied it all together. It raises monumental questions.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think President Trump kind of pointed to that

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<v Speaker 3>yesterday too when when he said, you know, this is uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe quote, this is a tremendous scandal and maybe

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<v Speaker 3>something we haven't seen in fifty two one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 1>If ever, right, Well, and certainly that would be the case. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a a congressional committee that's been put together

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<v Speaker 1>to look into this. I guess I'm wondering because at

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<v Speaker 1>be subpoena or asked to testify about what happened and

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<v Speaker 1>whether or not Biden actually gave his specific authority for

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<v Speaker 1>the autopen use. Someone's going to testify about this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Absolutely. So we'll see if Science or Feldman get

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<v Speaker 3>you know, get called in here to what one of

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<v Speaker 3>these committees to you know, get questioned by Congress about

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<v Speaker 3>this and you know, tell their side of the story

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<v Speaker 3>or give testimony, and it will be interesting to see,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, what you can get out of get out

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<v Speaker 3>of them in those committees as well as you know

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<v Speaker 3>how willing some of them may or may not be

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<v Speaker 1>And that goes so that goes to your point about

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<v Speaker 1>the wheels maybe falling off on this is if Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>give specific authority and it was Jeff who specifically authorized it,

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<v Speaker 1>lying to Congress. So I guess we'll have our popcorn

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<v Speaker 1>out and wait and see what unfolds on this one. Nick,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what else we can say about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree. I think we just got to follow

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<v Speaker 3>And I think it's not going to end up in

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<v Speaker 2>Or some of the people who were pardoned.

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<v Speaker 1>He might Oh yeah, well, Senator round Paul, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>and we want it soon. And I know where we'll

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<v Speaker 1>read about the answer, and that'll be at Breitbart dot com,

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<v Speaker 1>where we're reading. Nick will be reporting on a Nick

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<v Speaker 1>Gilbertson the White House correspondent at Breitbart. I really appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>your time and that you follow this story. And again

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<v Speaker 1>going back to your point, you've been following this mental

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<v Speaker 1>that in the mainstream media of the legacy media, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's why we love Breitbart. Nick, have a great day,

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<v Speaker 1>and thanks for your time this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>As always, Ryan, thanks for having me, have a great one.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks brother. It's eight eighteen right now, fifty five kc

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<v Speaker 1>DE talk station. We're gonna get to Daniel Davis deep

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<v Speaker 1>dive coming to the bottom of the air of Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give weapons to Ukraine this week as well

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<v Speaker 1>as maybe sanctioned Russia, although we have fifty days to

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