WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.319 Okay, we continue on ed. 2 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:07.200 Eric Dickerson joins the show, and Eric, good Monday to you. 3 00:00:09.119 --> 00:00:12.679 Good Monday, Fred, Good Monday. Ridingey, how you doing right on, 4 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:17.719 right on, right on? E D. When do you uh 5 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:21.480 when you headed to New Orleans? Get some of that 6 00:00:21.559 --> 00:00:25.760 Ben yet, I'm in Houston. I'm I'm in Houston, Texas 7 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:30.160 right now. Uh the weather's beautiful down in Houston. I'm 8 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:33.560 leaving for New Orleans tomorrow. Uh here know that way. 9 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:36.759 I just got a call a minute ago asked me 10 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:40.560 would I present something at the NFL honors, Uh for 11 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:42.880 I don't know if it's gonna be Player of the Year, 12 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:45.719 So that might be a hint that maybe a sake 13 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:48.920 one Barclets someone may maybe maybe win that honor. Since 14 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:50.359 they asking me to do it, they don't ask me 15 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:51.119 to do nothing, So. 16 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:55.079 I was gonna say what you're basically from They never 17 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:55.880 called you for anything. 18 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:58.079 Oh man? You know, man, man, they don't come here. 19 00:00:58.079 --> 00:00:59.520 I know they don't like me. I'm too I spoken 20 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:01.679 for them. I was smoking for the NFL. You know, 21 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:03.679 I just I tell you they don't like it. Don't 22 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.400 like me. Tell the truth. You know, it's like and 23 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:10.200 keeps it too real. Hey, that's what it is. I mean, 24 00:01:10.200 --> 00:01:12.200 you got to keep it real. I mean, people know 25 00:01:12.239 --> 00:01:14.799 when you line, when you're making stuff up. It's like, 26 00:01:14.959 --> 00:01:17.200 that's like if I said, oh, you know what, I think, 27 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:19.159 I'm ready to I'm ready to make a comeback. I 28 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.280 can come back. I can run for fifteen hundred and 29 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:22.799 sixty three years old. They'll be like, come on, man, 30 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:25.840 be for real. Now, you sound ridiculous. It's so funny 31 00:01:25.879 --> 00:01:26.840 that people do say that. 32 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:28.719 Man, the way the game is played today, I could 33 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:30.920 be playing out there right now. I could go out 34 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:34.079 there and play right. I tell you, I tell you. 35 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:36.439 I had had a discussion with Richard Dent Hall of 36 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:39.319 Famer Richard Dent and Ricky Jackson, and both of these 37 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:43.480 fellas said, man, I'm telling you watching this game. I'm like, 38 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:46.359 I'm watching. I'm watching the game. Richard said, Man, I 39 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:48.359 can go out and get a sack right now. I say, Richard, 40 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.280 you sound like a fool. Man, I say you. I say, 41 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:53.439 them young boys be knocking you right. You know you 42 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:55.719 said old man getting pushed around and say, man, wait 43 00:01:55.799 --> 00:01:58.239 that old man like that. That ain't even right. I 44 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:01.000 said that would be your hear But ou sideways and 45 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:01.680 everything else. 46 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:04.400 Oh man, because your mind telling you what your body 47 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:08.479 can do. Your mind said, I can get it. Yeah, Oh, 48 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:09.280 I can get that. 49 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:14.960 That's right, all right, Eric, What do you think of 50 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.639 the Anthony Davis trade and Luca Donti is coming to 51 00:02:17.800 --> 00:02:21.120 la And here, before you answer, I say, it made 52 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:24.439 me think about when the Rams traded you to the 53 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:29.719 Colts and dick Enberg said, you can never trade one 54 00:02:29.759 --> 00:02:33.000 of the greats. And I remembered that when I heard 55 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:36.000 that that deal had gone through, that Dallas traded one 56 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:36.560 of the greats. 57 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:41.360 What do you think, Well, I think be my personal opinion, 58 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:44.080 and I think that Dallas, I mean the Lakers got 59 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:47.159 the better part of that deal. I mean I think 60 00:02:47.199 --> 00:02:50.840 that Luca Donna's coming to the Lakers. He's younger. One 61 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:54.080 thing about Anthony Davis and like, I like Anthony Dad. 62 00:02:54.080 --> 00:02:57.039 Don't get me wrong, but I'm Charles Barkley said this. 63 00:02:57.520 --> 00:02:59.560 He said, they call him street closed Davis, and I'm like, 64 00:03:00.199 --> 00:03:02.120 why they kind of street clothes because he always in 65 00:03:02.120 --> 00:03:05.400 the street clothes. He always hurt. So I mean, I 66 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:07.960 look at this trade. I mean, he's younger. The only 67 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:11.599 thing about about about Luca Donega is Donic. I say, 68 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:17.560 Donnick or Donnick, you Donnick, donc luk Luka dantech is 69 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:21.199 that he doesn't come in in shape, and it reminds 70 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:23.840 me of almost like the Shaq and Kobe thing when 71 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:26.120 Kobe would push for Shaq to you know, hey, man, 72 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:28.520 come in, you know, come in and be ready. If 73 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:31.360 I think if if he came in and he's twenty 74 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:35.960 five years old, that's a you know, that's a plus. 75 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:37.879 He's he's a he's he's a young player after Davis 76 00:03:37.879 --> 00:03:40.120 is thirty one. You know, when you come in in shape, 77 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.840 man Fred, I'm telling you, it's it's a great feeling 78 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:44.960 because you know, I'm ready to go right now. And 79 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.759 I feel like with the Lakers, you know, with Lebron 80 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:50.319 James and the players they have. I mean, I think 81 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:52.360 he's a big asset. I think he's I think it's 82 00:03:52.360 --> 00:03:53.719 a big plus. I think it's I think it's a 83 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.319 win for the Lakers. To be honest with you, I 84 00:03:56.360 --> 00:03:59.319 don't see why they did it, Dallas did, but hey, 85 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:01.759 they it and I think I think it's a plus 86 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:05.879 for them because I saw say, I saw Charles Barker 87 00:04:05.919 --> 00:04:08.479 say this. He said that he when he played with 88 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:12.280 the with the rockets. He said, Mosam alone told him. 89 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:14.400 He said, man, he said, one thing about you is 90 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.959 you're fat and you're lazy. And he said, I went 91 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:20.519 home and I cried. I went home and cried. But 92 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:23.560 you know what, sometimes it takes someone like that. And 93 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.519 you saw how Charles Barker's career came out. He's an 94 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:29.279 Nbay Hall of Famer. Sometimes it takes someone to tell 95 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:32.160 you the truth, to let you know, hey, this is 96 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:33.959 what you need to do to be there. I mean 97 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:35.959 a lot of these young players, you know, they just 98 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:37.519 there for the money. They you know, they don't want 99 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:40.879 to play all the time. And it's very few guys 100 00:04:40.920 --> 00:04:43.600 like I'm gonna say, like a Kobe. Kobe was there 101 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:47.519 every Monday, Tuesday, whatever you played. It's very few guys 102 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:49.759 like that. I think when you talked to sh Shaquille O'Neil, 103 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:53.120 I think Shack regrets, you know, not coming in ready 104 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.720 to play at all times. Because one thing is Rightney, 105 00:04:55.759 --> 00:04:57.480 you know this as well as I do. We all 106 00:04:57.480 --> 00:05:00.639 have a window, that window of opportunity. You can't go 107 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:03.600 back and be twenty five years old anymore. You can't 108 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:07.000 get three years old. Yeah, I think that's the big thing. 109 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:09.879 It's twenty five, you know, you know how it is 110 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:12.920 the reason most guys retires that you know, when they 111 00:05:12.959 --> 00:05:16.519 get in their thirties or whatever, late thirties, is that 112 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:18.879 that time that you got to train in the off season, 113 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:20.959 all that time you got to spend, and when you 114 00:05:20.959 --> 00:05:23.160 get older, you got to you gotta spend extra time 115 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.879 training and getting ready for training camp. The games are fun, 116 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:28.199 you want to play the game, but it's getting ready 117 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.000 for all of that. And when you're twenty five and 118 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.120 they're already talking about you not being in shape and 119 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:38.800 not working hard, that that's kind of can be chronic 120 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:43.160 and unless you unless you, like Edie said, get around 121 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:47.079 somebody that changes your ways and pulls you along like 122 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:50.759 they're hoping. I think Lebron does for Luca and have 123 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:53.079 that guy saying, no, man, come on, don't go out. 124 00:05:53.199 --> 00:05:55.759 You know, don't know, we're gonna get on a diet, 125 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:58.319 We're gonna get on a plan. No, we're not hanging 126 00:05:58.319 --> 00:06:00.000 out in the club. Now we're gonna go We're gonna 127 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:02.279 up at four o'clock to go work out instead of 128 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:04.879 seven o'clock. I mean, it's it's guys like that that 129 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:08.480 he needs to be around, especially at twenty five. Otherwise 130 00:06:09.079 --> 00:06:11.319 you know, by the time he's thirty, he's gonna be 131 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:13.199 a shell of what he is right now. 132 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:17.160 You got it. And that's what it takes. Like you said, Lebron, 133 00:06:17.199 --> 00:06:19.959 And you know Lebron is what is glove run thirty 134 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:24.399 seven or thirty eight, thirty eight? Fred? You know Hull, 135 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.959 he's forty, Man, he's forty Okay, Lebron, Okay, Lebron is 136 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:32.519 forty years old. Lebron does not look like a play 137 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:37.040 like a forty year old, not even close. Lebron thirty 138 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.800 one or thirty two, maybe even twenty eight. I mean, 139 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:42.639 so when you get on a team with guys like that, 140 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:46.839 I mean it, it sometimes it changes your mentality. One 141 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:49.519 thing about Ages, I'll never forget it. I was a 142 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:52.519 big Muhammad Ali fan. I mean, I love Muhammad Ali. 143 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:55.079 I just loved him, and I won't forget when I 144 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.160 saw him. When it's one of his last fights, I think, 145 00:06:57.240 --> 00:06:59.800 I think I can't do it. God, he got beat 146 00:06:59.879 --> 00:07:04.879 up really bad by Larry Holmes, Larry Larry, Larry, Larry Holmes, 147 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.680 Larry Holmes, Larry Holmes. And and that's when I say, man, 148 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:11.839 he's old. Now, I mean, and you never think about 149 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:14.199 your heroes getting old. I mean, and that's what it 150 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.439 comes down to, you know, And and it happens to 151 00:07:16.480 --> 00:07:19.319 all of us, you know, age age. It never loses, 152 00:07:19.360 --> 00:07:21.360 it's never lost the ball and never will lose the battle. 153 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:23.240 We all get old in that right field. Look that 154 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:24.839 go te You got that great go tea. 155 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:28.480 Yeah, I played tickle ball and almost snapped my knee off. 156 00:07:29.360 --> 00:07:31.360 But here's here's the thing. You know you talked about 157 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:34.879 Wait wait, wait, wait wait, you almost snap your knee 158 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:35.560 playing fickleball. 159 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:37.319 Friend, I don't want to go into that. I don't 160 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:39.439 want to go into it ice and advilt. 161 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:45.000 So anyway, uh you mentioned Shaq, and uh, look at 162 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:47.120 you know, if Shaq had taken better care of himself. 163 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:49.439 And I said in the first hour, well maybe this 164 00:07:49.519 --> 00:07:51.680 is like a slap in the face to Luca to 165 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:54.399 wake up. You know, when Shaq went to Miami, he 166 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:58.079 did get into shape. That was the wake up call 167 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:02.279 for Shack. He did get the shape because he realized 168 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:04.600 what he had lost. 169 00:08:05.600 --> 00:08:10.519 Right, he got it, said it. But imagine playing he 170 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:13.759 he wanted to do. That's it, that was I said, 171 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:15.680 that was the motivation. But but but think about he 172 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:17.839 had he had, he had a Kobe, he had a 173 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:20.279 I mean, don't get me wrong, the Miami Heat and 174 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:22.199 the l A Lakers. I mean, who you think is 175 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:24.319 the better organization. I mean, I'm sorry I got to 176 00:08:24.360 --> 00:08:27.560 go to l A Lakers. I mean I'm here the Laker. 177 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:30.720 I mean, he brand, I know, I mean he could 178 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:33.480 have what I'm saying, the brand, the brunch about the brand, 179 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:35.960 the brand itself. He could have. He could have sent 180 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:40.919 them since cemented himself as the greatest Lakers center of 181 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:44.840 all times just by doing getting ready to play, not 182 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:47.759 coming in, you know, half assed ready and me I 183 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:49.399 love Shack. I mean, I think Shaq is one of 184 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.759 Shack is one of the nicest guys, the greatest guys. 185 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.639 But you know, you still, I guarantee you. We all 186 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:57.519 look back sometimes in our career and say, man, I 187 00:08:57.519 --> 00:08:59.679 just wish I did that a little different sometimes, you know, 188 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:01.440 cause he said, hey, you know, we get older, you 189 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:06.240 start thinking about right and say, we could have won. 190 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:09.039 We could have won five six in a row, you know, 191 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:11.559 if the big fellow would have gone and gotten shape, 192 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:13.919 you know, and they could have stuck together. But that 193 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.679 that tension didn't allow him stick together. And you know, 194 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:21.159 I'm sure you know, uh both of them have egos 195 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:24.039 and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, I think 196 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:27.559 that's frustrating sometimes too. You know, Eric, you know, guys, man, 197 00:09:27.720 --> 00:09:30.039 if that cat just get get going, man, that catch 198 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:32.559 could be up beat, and they just don't. 199 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:37.480 They just don't have it sometimes. Man, I won't forgive 200 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.080 when what cly go ahead, Fred, go ahead, or go 201 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:47.159 go well, Clyde Drexler. He told me when Shaq came 202 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:50.679 in the league and tracks played for the Rockets and 203 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:54.759 the chem Olajuwan was was was covering it. He said, Eric, 204 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.879 I've never heard a Keem say this. He said, Shaq 205 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:00.960 was down low with him he see and se uh 206 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:05.360 Drek said, man, don't he said, boy, Keim said, don't 207 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:08.279 leave me down here by myself with him. I can't. 208 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:10.919 I can't control him by myself. Now. That goes to 209 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:14.639 show you right there. That tells you how talented Shaq was. 210 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:18.320 When a Keeme to me, a great sense, but he 211 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:21.080 could not handle Shack alone. Uh. 212 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:24.080 You know, when the trade came down, everybody said it 213 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:28.159 was done in secrecy, and uh luka Doncha's father complained 214 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.200 and said it was secret and Uh, somebody should have 215 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:34.240 known something, maybe the players involved. And Rodney made a 216 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:36.000 point in the first hour and Eric, I'm curious to 217 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:40.679 get your take that this is a situation because in 218 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.080 the NBA, the players have the control. I mean, if 219 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:45.120 somebody's going to be traded in the NBA, normally you 220 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:47.759 go to their agent and see if the guy would 221 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.759 be interested in going. The agents put deals together. But 222 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.440 this was a time where the Mavericks took back control. 223 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:58.399 I said, we are we are in charge here and 224 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:00.960 we're going to make this move. He was eligible for 225 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.960 a three hundred and forty five million dollars super Max extension. 226 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:06.200 We're not going to pay that. We're not going to 227 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:09.840 be held hostage, because I read at some point everybody said, well, 228 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:11.039 you know, that's just kind of the way it is. 229 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:14.360 Guys up super max. You give it to him. Guys 230 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:16.320 up Max, you give it to him because now you 231 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:18.840 got them. Whether they're in shape, whether they or not, 232 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:23.080 you just pay them because they're yours. And do you 233 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:28.559 think this was, in some small way an attempt to 234 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.960 regain control by the team. 235 00:11:34.320 --> 00:11:38.360 I'm not saying it's a way to take control by 236 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:40.759 the team. I think it was just a smart deal. 237 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:43.320 I think they looked at this guy and say, hey, 238 00:11:43.919 --> 00:11:46.399 you know, we can't depend on him to come in 239 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:49.840 and be the guy that he could possibly be. Now, 240 00:11:49.919 --> 00:11:53.080 maybe we get rid of him, he might become that guy, 241 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:55.519 but we can't take a chance on And that's what 242 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:57.840 it is. It's a gamble. I mean, I'm gonna pay 243 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:00.559 you three hundred million dollars and we don't know if 244 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.480 you're gonna show up to play basketball. You know you're 245 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:07.159 gonna you you overweight, basically, you're fat, you know, and 246 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.720 you're talented. Don't get me wrong, He's very talented. But 247 00:12:12.120 --> 00:12:13.720 I don't have a problem with that. I feel like 248 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:15.840 maybe it's maybe this, you know what, this may be 249 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:17.480 a wake up call for him. Just like you said 250 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:20.279 Shaq went to Miami and got in shape. Well, maybe 251 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:22.159 this would be a wake up call for him to say, hey, 252 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.240 if I really want to get paid by the Lakers, 253 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:25.879 if I really want to be that guy, and then 254 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:28.559 think about it. It's different from being in LA and 255 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:32.000 being in Dallas, Texas. So it's a big LA is 256 00:12:32.039 --> 00:12:34.000 the market. The Lakers are are the team. I mean, 257 00:12:34.039 --> 00:12:36.039 you might not like them. They might not even be 258 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:38.360 the best team in basketball, well, when the Lakers do something, 259 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.000 it's different in post when the mat when when the 260 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:42.759 Mavericks do something. So for sure, I think this is 261 00:12:42.799 --> 00:12:44.600 a way for the Mavericks to say, hey, you know what, 262 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:46.600 we're not willing to put all this money out. If 263 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:48.679 somebody else wants to do it and he turns out 264 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:50.399 to be great, great for him, but we're not willing 265 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.559 to do that. And on top of that, they're still 266 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:55.960 getting a very good basketball. Yeah, I mean, think about it. 267 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:58.240 It's an extra hundred million dollars that they would have 268 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:00.480 to pay him. Yeah, they could, they they could pay 269 00:13:00.519 --> 00:13:03.519 him so and you know, hopefully that Anthony Davis can 270 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:05.679 go down and stay healthy. But I mean, I'm I 271 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:07.519 think it's a great move for the Mavericks and for 272 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:12.559 the Lakers. For the Mavericks pocketbook, yeah oh yeah. 273 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:14.639 Now eventually the Lakers are gonna have to pay him, 274 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:16.919 but by that point in time, if he is what 275 00:13:17.000 --> 00:13:19.159 they want him to be, he will be their next 276 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:21.240 star and he will be here for years to come 277 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:23.600 because of his age. I mean, it's it's right in 278 00:13:23.639 --> 00:13:26.559 the Laker wheelhouse. This is how they do it. Who's 279 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:30.159 the star? We always have one good one yeah, the 280 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.039 next one too. They usually have the next one. 281 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:35.399 And sometimes they get an agy one, but they usually 282 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:38.240 get the next one. Like, Okay, Kareem's in his prime. 283 00:13:38.320 --> 00:13:40.759 He's still got ten years left. Let's go get him 284 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:44.000 while he still got it and still dominant. They still 285 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:47.559 will They got shack when he's still in his prime, 286 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:52.399 you know. But yeah, they always have that draw, that 287 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:54.639 marquee name that they can put up on the on 288 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:58.279 the marquee and draw people in, and he's the next one. 289 00:14:00.279 --> 00:14:01.639 I was shocked when I heard it. I mean I 290 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.679 was really shocked. Somebody said, what do you think about 291 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:06.519 the Laker trade? I'm like, what Laker trade I for? No? 292 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:09.360 Then i started, I'm like, I'm like, wow, to me, 293 00:14:09.559 --> 00:14:12.879 this was this is this is a Doctor Buss move. 294 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.480 It really was, I mean, and and to me, Doctor 295 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:18.759 Buss was to me one of the the I think 296 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.279 the greatest owner in in NBA basketball because he was 297 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:25.000 that guy. He was he was a player's owner. He 298 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:26.879 tried to do right by his players. He wanted to 299 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:29.159 and he wanted to win. He was he was a 300 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:31.519 winning owner. You know a lot of owners, I don't 301 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:33.240 think they really want to win. It's like an NFL. 302 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.159 But I think you have some guys, some owners that 303 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.639 you know, this is La. 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He'll give us 315 00:15:08.720 --> 00:15:13.679 the inside behind the trade from Dallas bred Rogan or 316 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:14.960 Rodney Pete. 317 00:15:14.519 --> 00:15:15.840 And Eric Dickerson. 318 00:15:15.879 --> 00:15:16.240 Today. 319 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:20.840 Uh, we're talking about the ad deal. What really went 320 00:15:20.919 --> 00:15:23.919 down in Dallas. Let's find out. Let's bring out Mike 321 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:26.759 Curtis of the Dallas Morning News and Mike, thanks for 322 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:27.320 being here. 323 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.879 Today, Thank you for having me. Thank you all right, 324 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:30.159 let me. 325 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:31.759 Give you my initial take. You tell me if I'm 326 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:34.879 right or wrong for the Mavericks to trade a player 327 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:40.919 like Luka Doncic, a transformative player. He really pissed somebody off. 328 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:46.960 Something happened. Otherwise there's no way they even consider trading him. 329 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:48.120 So what happened? 330 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:53.720 I mean from a couple of people who I've been 331 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:58.240 talking to that I really trust, the Mavericks had concerns 332 00:15:58.679 --> 00:16:03.519 when it comes to Luca Chain, how they wanted to 333 00:16:03.559 --> 00:16:06.720 commit to him long term. Obviously, he was able for 334 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.519 the Supermax this summer, eligible for a three hundred and 335 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:11.240 forty five. 336 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:12.000 Million dollar deal. 337 00:16:12.919 --> 00:16:15.519 There's a lot of commitment when you signed a guide 338 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:19.039 to a contract like that. I know there's a lot 339 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:21.440 of speculation out there about his conditioning. 340 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:22.759 He did. 341 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:27.000 He arrived in training camp this year in pretty good shape, 342 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:32.039 but once he suffered at calf and injury in training camp, 343 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:34.480 they kind of set everything back. And of course he 344 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:37.720 got injured again on Christmas Day when he suffered a 345 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:41.080 left calf strain that was pretty much non contact. So 346 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:45.720 his unavailable ability definitely played a role in them not 347 00:16:45.759 --> 00:16:46.440 wanting to commit. 348 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:47.000 Well termed. 349 00:16:47.039 --> 00:16:52.679 So okay, here's my question, how in the world in 350 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:57.320 twenty five did they keep this thing quiet? How did 351 00:16:57.320 --> 00:16:59.159 they keep this thing quiet? 352 00:16:59.559 --> 00:17:00.080 All this? 353 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:02.879 I mean I know Sham's broke it, but man, how 354 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:05.759 do they keep something like this quiet when everybody talks. 355 00:17:07.400 --> 00:17:10.559 Yeah, that that's a surprising thing about it, because everything 356 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:16.039 leaks nowadays. Rob Polenka and Nico Harrison, they go back 357 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:20.119 all the way. So when Nico is at Nike, obviously 358 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:23.279 they have a pretty close relationship, so they were able 359 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:27.000 to kind of keep things between them. This happened, This 360 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:29.599 was weeks in the making. I think as far as 361 00:17:29.599 --> 00:17:34.200 back is when the Lakers were in Dallas in early January. 362 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.680 I think those when those are when those conversations start 363 00:17:37.720 --> 00:17:40.799 picking up a little bit. So I think one thing 364 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:44.359 led to another and here, here, here we are. Nico 365 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:48.680 Harrison actually told the Dallas Morning News I was on 366 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:52.720 the phone call when it happened that he just slowed 367 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:55.720 the idea out there. What what what if we were 368 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.039 to do this and one thing led to another and Luka, 369 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:03.359 Doncic is now and Anthony Davis is now, Maverick and. 370 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:05.160 Mike did you get the sense and you mentioned it 371 00:18:05.200 --> 00:18:07.599 three hundred and forty five million dollars a lot of money. 372 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:09.599 Did you get the sense they didn't want to pay 373 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:11.720 him or do you get the sense that's just not 374 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:13.319 how they're going to roll anymore, and they don't want 375 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:14.759 to pay anybody that kind of money. 376 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:18.480 I didn't get that sense. 377 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:21.799 I mean, Nico was asked if he had any inkling 378 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:26.519 or inclination that Doncis wouldn't sign. He said he didn't 379 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:33.279 get anything verbally. But there's also nothing's guaranteed in this league. 380 00:18:33.359 --> 00:18:35.559 And just because you put a contract with a lot 381 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:37.519 of money in front of someone's face. I mean, I'm 382 00:18:37.519 --> 00:18:39.559 not the best person at math, but I would probably 383 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:42.480 go with the larger number over what I can get 384 00:18:43.079 --> 00:18:44.000 with a different team. 385 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.200 But there's no guarantee. 386 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.440 That Doncis was going to sign the super Max this summer. 387 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:51.119 And I think that he pretty much said, we got 388 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:53.400 it in front of like what would probably be a 389 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:58.279 tumultuous summer with just the uncertainty that comes along with 390 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:00.960 waiting on a guy to make a choice. So I 391 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:02.720 think they wanted to get in front of that before 392 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:04.319 it became a bigger problem. 393 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:08.119 You mentioned that, you know, he came in in pretty 394 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:09.640 good shape and then he had the injury and it 395 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:12.039 just kind of then it set him back and he 396 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:16.279 went back to you know, Luca kind of doing this 397 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:19.599 thing and and you know the reputation that he has 398 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:24.279 of not really being intense about his workout. And I 399 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:27.799 listened to the press company Nica said, you know, defense 400 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:32.440 wins championships when guys committed to that. And obviously Lucas 401 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:36.119