Speaker 1: Okay, we continue on ed.
Speaker 2: Eric Dickerson joins the show, and Eric, good Monday to you.
Speaker 1: Good Monday, Fred, Good Monday. Ridingey, how you doing right on,
Speaker 1: right on, right on? E D. When do you uh
Speaker 1: when you headed to New Orleans? Get some of that
Speaker 1: Ben yet, I'm in Houston. I'm I'm in Houston, Texas
Speaker 1: right now. Uh the weather's beautiful down in Houston. I'm
Speaker 1: leaving for New Orleans tomorrow. Uh here know that way.
Speaker 1: I just got a call a minute ago asked me
Speaker 1: would I present something at the NFL honors, Uh for
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's gonna be Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: So that might be a hint that maybe a sake
Speaker 1: one Barclets someone may maybe maybe win that honor. Since
Speaker 1: they asking me to do it, they don't ask me
Speaker 1: to do nothing, So.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say what you're basically from They never
Speaker 3: called you for anything.
Speaker 1: Oh man? You know, man, man, they don't come here.
Speaker 1: I know they don't like me. I'm too I spoken
Speaker 1: for them. I was smoking for the NFL. You know,
Speaker 1: I just I tell you they don't like it. Don't
Speaker 1: like me. Tell the truth. You know, it's like and
Speaker 1: keeps it too real. Hey, that's what it is. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got to keep it real. I mean, people know
Speaker 1: when you line, when you're making stuff up. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's like if I said, oh, you know what, I think,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to I'm ready to make a comeback. I
Speaker 1: can come back. I can run for fifteen hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty three years old. They'll be like, come on, man,
Speaker 1: be for real. Now, you sound ridiculous. It's so funny
Speaker 1: that people do say that.
Speaker 4: Man, the way the game is played today, I could
Speaker 4: be playing out there right now. I could go out
Speaker 4: there and play right. I tell you, I tell you.
Speaker 1: I had had a discussion with Richard Dent Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer Richard Dent and Ricky Jackson, and both of these
Speaker 1: fellas said, man, I'm telling you watching this game. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm watching. I'm watching the game. Richard said, Man, I
Speaker 1: can go out and get a sack right now. I say, Richard,
Speaker 1: you sound like a fool. Man, I say you. I say,
Speaker 1: them young boys be knocking you right. You know you
Speaker 1: said old man getting pushed around and say, man, wait
Speaker 1: that old man like that. That ain't even right. I
Speaker 1: said that would be your hear But ou sideways and
Speaker 1: everything else.
Speaker 4: Oh man, because your mind telling you what your body
Speaker 4: can do. Your mind said, I can get it. Yeah, Oh,
Speaker 4: I can get that.
Speaker 2: That's right, all right, Eric, What do you think of
Speaker 2: the Anthony Davis trade and Luca Donti is coming to
Speaker 2: la And here, before you answer, I say, it made
Speaker 2: me think about when the Rams traded you to the
Speaker 2: Colts and dick Enberg said, you can never trade one
Speaker 2: of the greats. And I remembered that when I heard
Speaker 2: that that deal had gone through, that Dallas traded one
Speaker 2: of the greats.
Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, I think be my personal opinion,
Speaker 1: and I think that Dallas, I mean the Lakers got
Speaker 1: the better part of that deal. I mean I think
Speaker 1: that Luca Donna's coming to the Lakers. He's younger. One
Speaker 1: thing about Anthony Davis and like, I like Anthony Dad.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, but I'm Charles Barkley said this.
Speaker 1: He said, they call him street closed Davis, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: why they kind of street clothes because he always in
Speaker 1: the street clothes. He always hurt. So I mean, I
Speaker 1: look at this trade. I mean, he's younger. The only
Speaker 1: thing about about about Luca Donega is Donic. I say,
Speaker 1: Donnick or Donnick, you Donnick, donc luk Luka dantech is
Speaker 1: that he doesn't come in in shape, and it reminds
Speaker 1: me of almost like the Shaq and Kobe thing when
Speaker 1: Kobe would push for Shaq to you know, hey, man,
Speaker 1: come in, you know, come in and be ready. If
Speaker 1: I think if if he came in and he's twenty
Speaker 1: five years old, that's a you know, that's a plus.
Speaker 1: He's he's a he's he's a young player after Davis
Speaker 1: is thirty one. You know, when you come in in shape,
Speaker 1: man Fred, I'm telling you, it's it's a great feeling
Speaker 1: because you know, I'm ready to go right now. And
Speaker 1: I feel like with the Lakers, you know, with Lebron
Speaker 1: James and the players they have. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: he's a big asset. I think he's I think it's
Speaker 1: a big plus. I think it's I think it's a
Speaker 1: win for the Lakers. To be honest with you, I
Speaker 1: don't see why they did it, Dallas did, but hey,
Speaker 1: they it and I think I think it's a plus
Speaker 1: for them because I saw say, I saw Charles Barker
Speaker 1: say this. He said that he when he played with
Speaker 1: the with the rockets. He said, Mosam alone told him.
Speaker 1: He said, man, he said, one thing about you is
Speaker 1: you're fat and you're lazy. And he said, I went
Speaker 1: home and I cried. I went home and cried. But
Speaker 1: you know what, sometimes it takes someone like that. And
Speaker 1: you saw how Charles Barker's career came out. He's an
Speaker 1: Nbay Hall of Famer. Sometimes it takes someone to tell
Speaker 1: you the truth, to let you know, hey, this is
Speaker 1: what you need to do to be there. I mean
Speaker 1: a lot of these young players, you know, they just
Speaker 1: there for the money. They you know, they don't want
Speaker 1: to play all the time. And it's very few guys
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna say, like a Kobe. Kobe was there
Speaker 1: every Monday, Tuesday, whatever you played. It's very few guys
Speaker 1: like that. I think when you talked to sh Shaquille O'Neil,
Speaker 1: I think Shack regrets, you know, not coming in ready
Speaker 1: to play at all times. Because one thing is Rightney,
Speaker 1: you know this as well as I do. We all
Speaker 1: have a window, that window of opportunity. You can't go
Speaker 1: back and be twenty five years old anymore. You can't
Speaker 1: get three years old. Yeah, I think that's the big thing.
Speaker 4: It's twenty five, you know, you know how it is
Speaker 4: the reason most guys retires that you know, when they
Speaker 4: get in their thirties or whatever, late thirties, is that
Speaker 4: that time that you got to train in the off season,
Speaker 4: all that time you got to spend, and when you
Speaker 4: get older, you got to you gotta spend extra time
Speaker 4: training and getting ready for training camp. The games are fun,
Speaker 4: you want to play the game, but it's getting ready
Speaker 4: for all of that. And when you're twenty five and
Speaker 4: they're already talking about you not being in shape and
Speaker 4: not working hard, that that's kind of can be chronic
Speaker 4: and unless you unless you, like Edie said, get around
Speaker 4: somebody that changes your ways and pulls you along like
Speaker 4: they're hoping. I think Lebron does for Luca and have
Speaker 4: that guy saying, no, man, come on, don't go out.
Speaker 4: You know, don't know, we're gonna get on a diet,
Speaker 4: We're gonna get on a plan. No, we're not hanging
Speaker 4: out in the club. Now we're gonna go We're gonna
Speaker 4: up at four o'clock to go work out instead of
Speaker 4: seven o'clock. I mean, it's it's guys like that that
Speaker 4: he needs to be around, especially at twenty five. Otherwise
Speaker 4: you know, by the time he's thirty, he's gonna be
Speaker 4: a shell of what he is right now.
Speaker 1: You got it. And that's what it takes. Like you said, Lebron,
Speaker 1: And you know Lebron is what is glove run thirty
Speaker 1: seven or thirty eight, thirty eight? Fred? You know Hull,
Speaker 1: he's forty, Man, he's forty Okay, Lebron, Okay, Lebron is
Speaker 1: forty years old. Lebron does not look like a play
Speaker 1: like a forty year old, not even close. Lebron thirty
Speaker 1: one or thirty two, maybe even twenty eight. I mean,
Speaker 1: so when you get on a team with guys like that,
Speaker 1: I mean it, it sometimes it changes your mentality. One
Speaker 1: thing about Ages, I'll never forget it. I was a
Speaker 1: big Muhammad Ali fan. I mean, I love Muhammad Ali.
Speaker 1: I just loved him, and I won't forget when I
Speaker 1: saw him. When it's one of his last fights, I think,
Speaker 1: I think I can't do it. God, he got beat
Speaker 1: up really bad by Larry Holmes, Larry Larry, Larry, Larry Holmes,
Speaker 1: Larry Holmes, Larry Holmes. And and that's when I say, man,
Speaker 1: he's old. Now, I mean, and you never think about
Speaker 1: your heroes getting old. I mean, and that's what it
Speaker 1: comes down to, you know, And and it happens to
Speaker 1: all of us, you know, age age. It never loses,
Speaker 1: it's never lost the ball and never will lose the battle.
Speaker 1: We all get old in that right field. Look that
Speaker 1: go te You got that great go tea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I played tickle ball and almost snapped my knee off.
Speaker 4: But here's here's the thing. You know you talked about
Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait, wait wait, you almost snap your knee
Speaker 4: playing fickleball.
Speaker 1: Friend, I don't want to go into that. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go into it ice and advilt.
Speaker 2: So anyway, uh you mentioned Shaq, and uh, look at
Speaker 2: you know, if Shaq had taken better care of himself.
Speaker 2: And I said in the first hour, well maybe this
Speaker 2: is like a slap in the face to Luca to
Speaker 2: wake up. You know, when Shaq went to Miami, he
Speaker 2: did get into shape. That was the wake up call
Speaker 2: for Shack. He did get the shape because he realized
Speaker 2: what he had lost.
Speaker 1: Right, he got it, said it. But imagine playing he
Speaker 1: he wanted to do. That's it, that was I said,
Speaker 1: that was the motivation. But but but think about he
Speaker 1: had he had, he had a Kobe, he had a
Speaker 1: I mean, don't get me wrong, the Miami Heat and
Speaker 1: the l A Lakers. I mean, who you think is
Speaker 1: the better organization. I mean, I'm sorry I got to
Speaker 1: go to l A Lakers. I mean I'm here the Laker.
Speaker 1: I mean, he brand, I know, I mean he could
Speaker 1: have what I'm saying, the brand, the brunch about the brand,
Speaker 1: the brand itself. He could have. He could have sent
Speaker 1: them since cemented himself as the greatest Lakers center of
Speaker 1: all times just by doing getting ready to play, not
Speaker 1: coming in, you know, half assed ready and me I
Speaker 1: love Shack. I mean, I think Shaq is one of
Speaker 1: Shack is one of the nicest guys, the greatest guys.
Speaker 1: But you know, you still, I guarantee you. We all
Speaker 1: look back sometimes in our career and say, man, I
Speaker 1: just wish I did that a little different sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: cause he said, hey, you know, we get older, you
Speaker 1: start thinking about right and say, we could have won.
Speaker 4: We could have won five six in a row, you know,
Speaker 4: if the big fellow would have gone and gotten shape,
Speaker 4: you know, and they could have stuck together. But that
Speaker 4: that tension didn't allow him stick together. And you know,
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know, uh both of them have egos
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff. But yeah, I think
Speaker 4: that's frustrating sometimes too. You know, Eric, you know, guys, man,
Speaker 4: if that cat just get get going, man, that catch
Speaker 4: could be up beat, and they just don't.
Speaker 1: They just don't have it sometimes. Man, I won't forgive
Speaker 1: when what cly go ahead, Fred, go ahead, or go
Speaker 1: go well, Clyde Drexler. He told me when Shaq came
Speaker 1: in the league and tracks played for the Rockets and
Speaker 1: the chem Olajuwan was was was covering it. He said, Eric,
Speaker 1: I've never heard a Keem say this. He said, Shaq
Speaker 1: was down low with him he see and se uh
Speaker 1: Drek said, man, don't he said, boy, Keim said, don't
Speaker 1: leave me down here by myself with him. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't control him by myself. Now. That goes to
Speaker 1: show you right there. That tells you how talented Shaq was.
Speaker 1: When a Keeme to me, a great sense, but he
Speaker 1: could not handle Shack alone. Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, when the trade came down, everybody said it
Speaker 2: was done in secrecy, and uh luka Doncha's father complained
Speaker 2: and said it was secret and Uh, somebody should have
Speaker 2: known something, maybe the players involved. And Rodney made a
Speaker 2: point in the first hour and Eric, I'm curious to
Speaker 2: get your take that this is a situation because in
Speaker 2: the NBA, the players have the control. I mean, if
Speaker 2: somebody's going to be traded in the NBA, normally you
Speaker 2: go to their agent and see if the guy would
Speaker 2: be interested in going. The agents put deals together. But
Speaker 2: this was a time where the Mavericks took back control.
Speaker 2: I said, we are we are in charge here and
Speaker 2: we're going to make this move. He was eligible for
Speaker 2: a three hundred and forty five million dollars super Max extension.
Speaker 2: We're not going to pay that. We're not going to
Speaker 2: be held hostage, because I read at some point everybody said, well,
Speaker 2: you know, that's just kind of the way it is.
Speaker 2: Guys up super max. You give it to him. Guys
Speaker 2: up Max, you give it to him because now you
Speaker 2: got them. Whether they're in shape, whether they or not,
Speaker 2: you just pay them because they're yours. And do you
Speaker 2: think this was, in some small way an attempt to
Speaker 2: regain control by the team.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a way to take control by
Speaker 1: the team. I think it was just a smart deal.
Speaker 1: I think they looked at this guy and say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we can't depend on him to come in
Speaker 1: and be the guy that he could possibly be. Now,
Speaker 1: maybe we get rid of him, he might become that guy,
Speaker 1: but we can't take a chance on And that's what
Speaker 1: it is. It's a gamble. I mean, I'm gonna pay
Speaker 1: you three hundred million dollars and we don't know if
Speaker 1: you're gonna show up to play basketball. You know you're
Speaker 1: gonna you you overweight, basically, you're fat, you know, and
Speaker 1: you're talented. Don't get me wrong, He's very talented. But
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that. I feel like
Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe this, you know what, this may be
Speaker 1: a wake up call for him. Just like you said
Speaker 1: Shaq went to Miami and got in shape. Well, maybe
Speaker 1: this would be a wake up call for him to say, hey,
Speaker 1: if I really want to get paid by the Lakers,
Speaker 1: if I really want to be that guy, and then
Speaker 1: think about it. It's different from being in LA and
Speaker 1: being in Dallas, Texas. So it's a big LA is
Speaker 1: the market. The Lakers are are the team. I mean,
Speaker 1: you might not like them. They might not even be
Speaker 1: the best team in basketball, well, when the Lakers do something,
Speaker 1: it's different in post when the mat when when the
Speaker 1: Mavericks do something. So for sure, I think this is
Speaker 1: a way for the Mavericks to say, hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: we're not willing to put all this money out. If
Speaker 1: somebody else wants to do it and he turns out
Speaker 1: to be great, great for him, but we're not willing
Speaker 1: to do that. And on top of that, they're still
Speaker 1: getting a very good basketball. Yeah, I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1: It's an extra hundred million dollars that they would have
Speaker 1: to pay him. Yeah, they could, they they could pay
Speaker 1: him so and you know, hopefully that Anthony Davis can
Speaker 1: go down and stay healthy. But I mean, I'm I
Speaker 1: think it's a great move for the Mavericks and for
Speaker 1: the Lakers. For the Mavericks pocketbook, yeah oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Now eventually the Lakers are gonna have to pay him,
Speaker 2: but by that point in time, if he is what
Speaker 2: they want him to be, he will be their next
Speaker 2: star and he will be here for years to come
Speaker 2: because of his age. I mean, it's it's right in
Speaker 2: the Laker wheelhouse. This is how they do it. Who's
Speaker 2: the star? We always have one good one yeah, the
Speaker 2: next one too. They usually have the next one.
Speaker 4: And sometimes they get an agy one, but they usually
Speaker 4: get the next one. Like, Okay, Kareem's in his prime.
Speaker 4: He's still got ten years left. Let's go get him
Speaker 4: while he still got it and still dominant. They still
Speaker 4: will They got shack when he's still in his prime,
Speaker 4: you know. But yeah, they always have that draw, that
Speaker 4: marquee name that they can put up on the on
Speaker 4: the marquee and draw people in, and he's the next one.
Speaker 1: I was shocked when I heard it. I mean I
Speaker 1: was really shocked. Somebody said, what do you think about
Speaker 1: the Laker trade? I'm like, what Laker trade I for? No?
Speaker 1: Then i started, I'm like, I'm like, wow, to me,
Speaker 1: this was this is this is a Doctor Buss move.
Speaker 1: It really was, I mean, and and to me, Doctor
Speaker 1: Buss was to me one of the the I think
Speaker 1: the greatest owner in in NBA basketball because he was
Speaker 1: that guy. He was he was a player's owner. He
Speaker 1: tried to do right by his players. He wanted to
Speaker 1: and he wanted to win. He was he was a
Speaker 1: winning owner. You know a lot of owners, I don't
Speaker 1: think they really want to win. It's like an NFL.
Speaker 1: But I think you have some guys, some owners that
Speaker 1: you know, this is La. We want stars and we
Speaker 1: want to win too, because you have to have you
Speaker 1: have to have a you have to have a big product,
Speaker 1: and you know, living in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1: Today.
Speaker 2: Uh, we're talking about the ad deal. What really went
Speaker 2: down in Dallas. Let's find out. Let's bring out Mike
Speaker 2: Curtis of the Dallas Morning News and Mike, thanks for
Speaker 2: being here.
Speaker 5: Today, Thank you for having me. Thank you all right,
Speaker 5: let me.
Speaker 2: Give you my initial take. You tell me if I'm
Speaker 2: right or wrong for the Mavericks to trade a player
Speaker 2: like Luka Doncic, a transformative player. He really pissed somebody off.
Speaker 2: Something happened. Otherwise there's no way they even consider trading him.
Speaker 1: So what happened?
Speaker 6: I mean from a couple of people who I've been
Speaker 6: talking to that I really trust, the Mavericks had concerns
Speaker 6: when it comes to Luca Chain, how they wanted to
Speaker 6: commit to him long term. Obviously, he was able for
Speaker 6: the Supermax this summer, eligible for a three hundred and
Speaker 6: forty five.
Speaker 5: Million dollar deal.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of commitment when you signed a guide
Speaker 6: to a contract like that. I know there's a lot
Speaker 6: of speculation out there about his conditioning.
Speaker 5: He did.
Speaker 6: He arrived in training camp this year in pretty good shape,
Speaker 6: but once he suffered at calf and injury in training camp,
Speaker 6: they kind of set everything back. And of course he
Speaker 6: got injured again on Christmas Day when he suffered a
Speaker 6: left calf strain that was pretty much non contact. So
Speaker 6: his unavailable ability definitely played a role in them not
Speaker 6: wanting to commit.
Speaker 1: Well termed.
Speaker 4: So okay, here's my question, how in the world in
Speaker 4: twenty five did they keep this thing quiet? How did
Speaker 4: they keep this thing quiet?
Speaker 1: All this?
Speaker 4: I mean I know Sham's broke it, but man, how
Speaker 4: do they keep something like this quiet when everybody talks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that that's a surprising thing about it, because everything
Speaker 6: leaks nowadays. Rob Polenka and Nico Harrison, they go back
Speaker 6: all the way. So when Nico is at Nike, obviously
Speaker 6: they have a pretty close relationship, so they were able
Speaker 6: to kind of keep things between them. This happened, This
Speaker 6: was weeks in the making. I think as far as
Speaker 6: back is when the Lakers were in Dallas in early January.
Speaker 6: I think those when those are when those conversations start
Speaker 6: picking up a little bit. So I think one thing
Speaker 6: led to another and here, here, here we are. Nico
Speaker 6: Harrison actually told the Dallas Morning News I was on
Speaker 6: the phone call when it happened that he just slowed
Speaker 6: the idea out there. What what what if we were
Speaker 6: to do this and one thing led to another and Luka,
Speaker 6: Doncic is now and Anthony Davis is now, Maverick and.
Speaker 2: Mike did you get the sense and you mentioned it
Speaker 2: three hundred and forty five million dollars a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Did you get the sense they didn't want to pay
Speaker 2: him or do you get the sense that's just not
Speaker 2: how they're going to roll anymore, and they don't want
Speaker 2: to pay anybody that kind of money.
Speaker 5: I didn't get that sense.
Speaker 6: I mean, Nico was asked if he had any inkling
Speaker 6: or inclination that Doncis wouldn't sign. He said he didn't
Speaker 6: get anything verbally. But there's also nothing's guaranteed in this league.
Speaker 6: And just because you put a contract with a lot
Speaker 6: of money in front of someone's face. I mean, I'm
Speaker 6: not the best person at math, but I would probably
Speaker 6: go with the larger number over what I can get
Speaker 6: with a different team.
Speaker 5: But there's no guarantee.
Speaker 6: That Doncis was going to sign the super Max this summer.
Speaker 6: And I think that he pretty much said, we got
Speaker 6: it in front of like what would probably be a
Speaker 6: tumultuous summer with just the uncertainty that comes along with
Speaker 6: waiting on a guy to make a choice. So I
Speaker 6: think they wanted to get in front of that before
Speaker 6: it became a bigger problem.
Speaker 4: You mentioned that, you know, he came in in pretty
Speaker 4: good shape and then he had the injury and it
Speaker 4: just kind of then it set him back and he
Speaker 4: went back to you know, Luca kind of doing this
Speaker 4: thing and and you know the reputation that he has
Speaker 4: of not really being intense about his workout. And I
Speaker 4: listened to the press company Nica said, you know, defense
Speaker 4: wins championships when guys committed to that. And obviously Lucas
Speaker 4: is it is a tremendous offensive player, but certainly lacking
Speaker 4: the effort on defense. Was that something that they said
Speaker 4: for press conference reasons or is it more to it
Speaker 4: that they didn't feel like he was gonna make the
Speaker 4: commitment to be the superstar or the face of the
Speaker 4: franchise going forward in terms of being available, being in shape,
Speaker 4: being all those things.
Speaker 6: I mean, the defensive end is a topic of discussion
Speaker 6: when whenever it comes to luc Doncic. Believe it or not,
Speaker 6: he was actually having his best defensive season of his
Speaker 6: career this year, which is saying a lot. So there
Speaker 6: are times when when he definitely commits to that end
Speaker 6: of the floor. Whenever he's not as interactive as he
Speaker 6: used to be with the referees. I think that's another
Speaker 6: thing to watch out for the kind of constant nit
Speaker 6: picking and complaining.
Speaker 5: But when he is locked in and dialed in on.
Speaker 6: That end, like he's a big body he's six seven,
Speaker 6: and he's able to stay in front for the most part.
Speaker 6: He had a really good playoff, sorry postseason run where
Speaker 6: he was playing defense. But there are there are those nights,
Speaker 6: especially earlier this season, when they let a guy blow
Speaker 6: right by him. So I think that that definitely played
Speaker 6: a factor as well. And then you add a guy
Speaker 6: like Anthony Davis who's all NBA and all defenses, especially
Speaker 6: for the last few years. I think that's gonna change
Speaker 6: the trajectory of Dallas thinks now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it probably will. Accept You know, he's his injury
Speaker 2: prone as don't Fred not the last couple of years. Fred, No,
Speaker 2: but he corner. No, he's missing, he's missing. He turned
Speaker 2: the corner though, Fred, he has he's turned the corner,
Speaker 2: which is fair, but he does get dinged up.
Speaker 6: Mike, Yeah, yeah, And and Miko is also asked about
Speaker 6: that his latest abdominal strain. He said it wasn't it
Speaker 6: wasn't a big concern. They didn't think it was going
Speaker 6: to be anything long term. I think he's supposed to
Speaker 6: get reevaluated sometime this week. I think the Lakers said
Speaker 6: that he was initially going to be out for a week,
Speaker 6: So we'll see whenever he's able to be on the floor.
Speaker 5: But that's going to be the whole key to this thing.
Speaker 6: You make a move like that, your your best players
Speaker 6: are now Kyrie Irving, Anthony Davis, and if Klay Thompson
Speaker 6: can kind of get back to what he's been known
Speaker 6: for in the past, they got a good chance to
Speaker 6: do something special.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he's gonna ask.
Speaker 4: Do you think part of it too was Look, they
Speaker 4: look at it that the defense is a big part
Speaker 4: of it and we're trying to win this thing now.
Speaker 4: You think that had something to do with it in
Speaker 4: trading Luca and given the fact that Luca, you know,
Speaker 4: hurt the cap a little bit, you know, twice this
Speaker 4: season and defense was not as strong suit.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they're looking at this window. Whenever we
Speaker 6: talked to Nico over the past year, he's talked about
Speaker 6: a timeline and he talked about certain guys being on
Speaker 6: the same timeline.
Speaker 5: Like the next two three years.
Speaker 6: I think that's why Clay was able to sign a
Speaker 6: three year deal. So they're looking at this window that
Speaker 6: they have right now with this corps to try to
Speaker 6: compete for championships or be in that mix. Every year
Speaker 6: for the next three or four years, and I think
Speaker 6: this move definitely does it, just depending on health. But
Speaker 6: when it comes to you never know what's gonna happen
Speaker 6: on a given night. A guy can get hurt. Kyrie
Speaker 6: has been out I think ten games, well last think
Speaker 6: last night eleven and we'll see if he continues to
Speaker 6: miss time with that right shoulder soreness. But yeah, in
Speaker 6: order for this thing to actually work, they're gonna have
Speaker 6: to be healthy, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Mike.
Speaker 2: So it was a guy that's with them all the
Speaker 2: time and covers him every day. And after you get
Speaker 2: off over the shock of what happened, if you can
Speaker 2: take a step back and look at it, do you
Speaker 2: think this trade right now and for the next year
Speaker 2: or two makes the Mavericks better.
Speaker 6: Whenever you take a generational talent out of a lineup,
Speaker 6: that's pretty hard to say you got better with everything
Speaker 6: that I guess the Mavericks.
Speaker 5: Were concerned about Luca. There's a ton of good that
Speaker 5: he brings to the floor as well, his shot making.
Speaker 6: Ability, his ability to get his teammates involved his gravity
Speaker 6: that he attracts on a night and basis the guy
Speaker 6: like Luca made Klay Thompson's night easy every night.
Speaker 5: I don't think.
Speaker 6: I think there was a quote earlier said he's never
Speaker 6: been as open as he was when.
Speaker 5: Luca was on the floor.
Speaker 6: So whenever you take away a guy like that, that
Speaker 6: that's definitely gonna hurt that this team is going to
Speaker 6: have to find a way to build chemistry quick. But
Speaker 6: right now, I think, right now I would say the
Speaker 6: Lakers want to deal.
Speaker 4: Uh okay, So now Luca comes to La and listen,
Speaker 4: no disrespect to the Dallas Mavericks, but the Lakers are
Speaker 4: in your town like the Cowboys, right where everything is
Speaker 4: about the Cowboys and the focuses on the Cowboys and
Speaker 4: the Lakers. Here in La, the focal point is the
Speaker 4: Lakers more than any other team, maybe other than the Dodgers.
Speaker 4: The Dodgers, you know, run the city basically along with
Speaker 4: the Lakers. But the scrutiny is going to be ten
Speaker 4: times what it was in Dallas, and I know it was.
Speaker 4: It was intense in Dallas, but it's going to be
Speaker 4: even more here in La. Can he handle the La market?
Speaker 6: I think we're gonna wait and find that out. He's
Speaker 6: gonna have his press conference for the first time tomorrow morning.
Speaker 6: That's gonna be the first real test that I'm gonna
Speaker 6: be watching to see how he handles the market at LA, because,
Speaker 6: like you mentioned, it's a different beast, it's a different animal.
Speaker 6: You got the New York's of the world, you got
Speaker 6: the Las of the world.
Speaker 5: I think this is.
Speaker 6: Gonna be the real test because he's gonna be face
Speaker 6: with those hard questions on the nightly basis he was
Speaker 6: also he was he was faced with that in Dallas, obviously,
Speaker 6: but there's a lot more national media in LA, and
Speaker 6: I think tomorrow is gonna be the first opportunity we
Speaker 6: get to see how he handles it.
Speaker 3: Hey, Mike, great stuff.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on and you know, filling us in
Speaker 2: on the feeling there and what we might look forward
Speaker 2: to here.
Speaker 1: So we appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no problem, guys, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you appreciated, Mike. And by the way,
Speaker 2: that news conference will be nine a m. Tomorrow morning,
Speaker 2: and you're good pal here at a five seven.
Speaker 4: Ain't gonna carry it live because that's the kind of
Speaker 4: guys we are, Rodney, that's what we do. Fred, come on,
Speaker 4: now we have step in. Fred gonna show you running.
Speaker 4: I mean you are a member of the media. You
Speaker 4: will be a member of the media. You will listen
Speaker 4: into the news conference.
Speaker 3: Will you have a question?
Speaker 2: You will not be allowed to ask because you will
Speaker 2: not be there, but you can yell it out loud
Speaker 2: and maybe somebody will ask it while they're they're.
Speaker 4: Going I might show up with my credential. You might
Speaker 4: go on down Yeah, I might go on down there.
Speaker 4: Check him out, See what's what?
Speaker 1: Check out Why I shouldn't check out that cab not
Speaker 1: to see how long he's gonna take this away? You
Speaker 1: get back.
Speaker 3: You want to do a live report. I want to
Speaker 3: do live report.
Speaker 1: Now we do remote? Why not you think we should
Speaker 1: have tomorrow?
Speaker 4: I'll go back to nineteen eighty seven, Fred Rogan everywhere
Speaker 4: everywhere remote in the day, the locker room on the court,
Speaker 4: in the locker room on the court, and kicked out
Speaker 4: of gym's and getting kicked out of stadium.
Speaker 1: Fred out of Super Bowls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, going into the wrong locker room when you're not
Speaker 4: supposed to and no credential. You was You was just
Speaker 4: like a honoery Fred. You were just You're just bad.
Speaker 4: You're like a bad kid. I told you the way
Speaker 4: that always went the places you weren't supposed to go.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Told you the way to do it, and anybody that
Speaker 3: wants to try this you'll see it.
Speaker 2: A play dumb, yeah, play dumb, look very unassuming and
Speaker 2: act completely confused.
Speaker 1: You all three. It was not a stretch for you,
Speaker 1: was it. No? I mean That's why I've lived my life,
Speaker 1: So that was fine. Hey, Ding, you know that ain'tnna work.
Speaker 1: That ain't gonna work for us though, Rodney, No, no, no, no, sir.
Speaker 1: Put your hand behind your back. What are you doing here? Sir?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Who are you with? I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear it? Uh? Fred told me to come in.
Speaker 1: I'm with Fred Rogan. You know Fred?
Speaker 2: You know Fred, you sort of have to have like
Speaker 2: a glazed look like you're confused and.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: I've used this so many times. Do you actually think
Speaker 2: I would try to sneak in here? Do you think
Speaker 2: I'd be here if I didn't have to? I always said,
Speaker 2: do you really?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: You think I'm trying? Do you think i'd be here
Speaker 2: really if I didn't have to? I just got lost, Freddie,
Speaker 2: it's the super Bowl. I don't care. You think i'd
Speaker 2: actually show up?
Speaker 1: For this.
Speaker 2: If I didn't have to and I got lost, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I always say that. Yeah, I got a point there, sir,
Speaker 2: you got a point there. I guess you wouldn't really
Speaker 2: want to be here if you didn't have.
Speaker 3: To, Okay, Game seven of the World Series.
Speaker 2: I I didn't know. I mean, I want to get
Speaker 2: some popcorn. How did I know I'd be standing in
Speaker 2: the clubhouse. That guy down there told me to make
Speaker 2: a laugh.
Speaker 1: I did. Oh, shockingly, that worked for you, Fred more
Speaker 1: time than not. We should go to game plan all
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, all the.
Speaker 2: Time, and and you know, and just walking around in life.
Speaker 2: If there's a line, I don't know how it happens
Speaker 2: because I'm the first one to say go ahead of me.
Speaker 2: But because I'm just so lost half the time, I
Speaker 2: just end up in the front of the line. I
Speaker 2: have no idea why. I just kind of wander around
Speaker 2: and stop and now I'm there.
Speaker 1: You just you always had a dumb look on your
Speaker 1: face for it. Yeah, you have to help me.
Speaker 3: I don't know anything. Where should I stand? Can I
Speaker 3: stand here?
Speaker 1: Oh? Man? Yeah, I'm always that's not a stretch for you,
Speaker 1: hun Freddy.
Speaker 3: No, Hey, it's the way I've lived my life all right,
Speaker 3: Let's see, it's.
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Speaker 1: So here's the deal.
Speaker 2: If you're a referee or an umpire, you should not
Speaker 2: bet on the game. If you're a referee or an umpire,
Speaker 2: you probably really shouldn't associate with anyone who bets. And
Speaker 2: if you do, you get what we'll tell you about next.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Ford NFL Spotlight Rodney Pete, Fred Rogan, Hall
Speaker 4: of Famer Eric Dickinson On a Monday a Blockbuster Trade Monday.
Speaker 4: Come on, Freddy, all right, So he told you the
Speaker 4: story of umpire Pat Hoberg, and he's been in the majors,
Speaker 4: an accomplished umpire, and all of a sudden they pulled
Speaker 4: the plug out him and said he'd been gambling.
Speaker 2: They've been gambling. Well that we know, asked him, Donahey
Speaker 2: of the NBA. That's not going to work. There's no
Speaker 2: gambling if you're a player, and there's certainly no gambling
Speaker 2: if you're an official. So anyway, they said you're done.
Speaker 2: He appealed, and then they brought in a third party
Speaker 2: to investigate. And here's what the third party found. Hulbert
Speaker 2: did not bet on baseball. He's an umpire. But what
Speaker 2: he did do was he did share information with a
Speaker 2: poker player who is a gambler and a buddy of his.
Speaker 2: So he didn't bet, and they're not even suggesting he
Speaker 2: told the guy anything that would alter the games. So
Speaker 2: the umpire did not alter the outcome of the game.
Speaker 2: And they found that in the investigation.
Speaker 1: Wait did that?
Speaker 4: What information did he share with his poker is he
Speaker 4: said itself a poker player, Yeah, a buddy, a poker player,
Speaker 4: a guy the buddy that's.
Speaker 1: A poker player. Player. It must be a professional poker
Speaker 1: player or something like that.
Speaker 2: Not only does he play poker, wait, not only does
Speaker 2: he play poker, but this guy does bet on baseball.
Speaker 2: He was accused of sharing betting accounts with a friend
Speaker 2: who bet on baseball. There is no direct proof that
Speaker 2: he bet himself, but it's been determined that he had
Speaker 2: access to the account which made bets on baseball, which
Speaker 2: led to his firing, and they met playing Wait.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait the umpire. What's the guy's name? Pat Holberg?
Speaker 1: Pat Hobert, Pat.
Speaker 4: Holbert had access to the gambling account or the betting
Speaker 4: account of his friend.
Speaker 1: M h. Okay, then that's that's a diff story. But
Speaker 1: but but but really okay, but he didn't bet, he
Speaker 1: didn't bet. He didn't bet. He didn't he didn't bet
Speaker 1: on the games. He didn't. So so the information he
Speaker 1: gave him, it didn't change the games. I mean, it
Speaker 1: wasn't like like like he said, Okay, well I know
Speaker 1: that they said so, and so it's going to pitch tonight.
Speaker 1: But he has a bombed shoulder, so they may have
Speaker 1: him as a pitcher, but he's not going to pitch
Speaker 1: that kind of information. I mean, that's that could be
Speaker 1: that that's game changing now, But was it that kind
Speaker 1: of information or what? Yeah?
Speaker 4: What was shared an account? A gambling account? No, I
Speaker 4: know that what information on the game did he give
Speaker 4: his friend? It doesn't but he would.
Speaker 1: So did did he? Is he fired in a company
Speaker 1: or as you're coming back.
Speaker 4: The question of him propriety and you're done. Here's the
Speaker 4: thing though, if well, the smoking gun is that they
Speaker 4: shared an account of betting account, that's the problem because
Speaker 4: if the guy, because we all know people and we
Speaker 4: don't always know what they do behind closed doors. So
Speaker 4: if you're talking to your buddy, you're out having a
Speaker 4: beer or whatever, and he's like, yeah, yeah, I got
Speaker 4: this game tomorrow night and so and so was supposed
Speaker 4: to start, but then he's hurting. They said, he may
Speaker 4: be out, or he's got information in the show or whatever.
Speaker 4: You may say to your buddy. You don't know he
Speaker 4: has a uh betting account or he bets on baseball.
Speaker 4: You may just havingim, you know, having a conversation. But
Speaker 4: the fact that he has a shared account with him,
Speaker 4: I think that was probably the big red flag or
Speaker 4: share betting account.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh, that's different. That's different. That's different. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but you know, like, all right, the NFL
Speaker 1: guys bet on city you're playing football. You say you
Speaker 1: bet on a baseball game, that's the league in the NFL.
Speaker 1: That makes no sense to me. But you don't bet
Speaker 1: on football. I mean, but you can get suspended for that.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you tell me, does that is that true?
Speaker 1: Baseball on other sports? Can't? Uh huh no, if im,
Speaker 1: I understand you can't. Let's just let's let's say you bet.
Speaker 1: Let's say you beten on you say you out for
Speaker 1: the season, and you bet not on your team, you
Speaker 1: bet on another team. I'm betting. I don't hate like
Speaker 1: the cowboyd you can't. Sure, you can't do football. But
Speaker 1: but but but this issue is that, for instance, what
Speaker 1: does that guy to I don't, I'm I don't. I'm
Speaker 1: just betting. But I get it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, but you're you're involved, like you're an employee
Speaker 4: of that of the league. So it looks as if
Speaker 4: you got inserted information.
Speaker 1: But you can't bet.
Speaker 4: Like baseball players they got these you know, they all
Speaker 4: got fantasy sports and they got all got you know,
Speaker 4: betting on on on football.
Speaker 1: And and all that kind of stuff. It's a big deal.
Speaker 1: A lot of baseball players bet on football games. I believe.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I don't think. I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think football you can bet on anything. You can't
Speaker 1: bet on anything. It's a game. It said, gambling. That's
Speaker 1: that's that covers everything. Well, I mean you can you
Speaker 1: can go to Vegas. Yeah, you can go to horse racing.
Speaker 1: You can bet on horses. You've all done that.
Speaker 4: A lot of people, A lot of guys have horses
Speaker 4: that that have been in the league that race horses.
Speaker 4: I mean, it was the guy I played with, Dig Delone,
Speaker 4: Dick Delon had quarter horses. He raced them in derbys
Speaker 4: all over the country, and his family would would they
Speaker 4: would all bet on those horses and stuff. But but yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know, they tell you to be careful when
Speaker 4: you go to Vegas, but they can't stop you from
Speaker 4: going to the Vegas and betting, not on football.
Speaker 1: But you can bet and gamble.
Speaker 4: So I don't know what how they can stop you from.
Speaker 4: You know, if you're in one sport betting on the other,
Speaker 4: is it that difficult not to bet?
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
Speaker 2: In other words, if you're an athlete. To to remove
Speaker 2: any question of impropriety, you just don't bet when you're
Speaker 2: an athlete. When you're done, do all the betting you want.
Speaker 1: I mean on sports.
Speaker 4: But gambling is a big part of downtime and support
Speaker 4: because everybody plays cards.
Speaker 1: You gamble when you play cards, and you do all
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 4: A lot of guys go to Vegas. We're going to
Speaker 4: go on to Vegas for years and and betting on everything.
Speaker 4: But but betting on your sport, Yeah, that's a whole
Speaker 4: different animals.
Speaker 1: On sports period, go to Vegas.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, horse racing, separating that from cricket and soccer
Speaker 4: and you know, baseball. Maybe if you're if you're a
Speaker 4: football player.
Speaker 2: That what I'm saying is, if you're a football player
Speaker 2: during the term of your career, can you with withhold
Speaker 2: betting on the NBA and Major League bad I'm just asking,
Speaker 2: is that even humanly possible or.
Speaker 4: If you need to bet, you need to bet. No,
Speaker 4: it's humanly possible unless you're an addict. You know, unless
Speaker 4: you're addicted to gambling, then you know, it may be
Speaker 4: very difficult for you to stop it. But yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: if it's you know, if you know in your in
Speaker 4: your contract, and then everything every place you walk in
Speaker 4: has got an NFL logo on it says gambling is illegal.
Speaker 4: Youve got big signs say gambling is illegal.
Speaker 1: Do not.
Speaker 4: You cannot bet on on uh on on. It says
Speaker 4: bet on football, but it says bet on. I forget
Speaker 4: what the specific specific language is, but I don't know
Speaker 4: if you can't. You can't bet like on other sports.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's I don't know what rule
Speaker 4: that's or falls under, but I do know that the
Speaker 4: gambling part of it on on your sport is absolutely prohibited,
Speaker 4: even if you're not playing in the game. If you're
Speaker 4: betting and you're hurt or you're out, you're betting on
Speaker 4: the Cowboys and the Giants and.
Speaker 1: You you play for the Eagles, No, you can't do that.
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