Speaker 1: Cindy Crawford, my guest for the evening. You know exactly
Speaker 1: where you can find her at. Cindy Crawford links to
Speaker 1: all of our social media in the episode description. Please
Speaker 1: make sure you support the creators that come on this show,
Speaker 1: otherwise they don't come on this show anymore. Cindy, it's
Speaker 1: such a pleasure to have you on tonight.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. How are you doing tonight?
Speaker 1: I am not bad. We will get into why I
Speaker 1: am so excited to have you on in the second
Speaker 1: segment when I really want to tackle this project that
Speaker 1: you're getting into. But you are one of my all
Speaker 1: time performers. I'm thirty eight years old, so you know
Speaker 1: some of the first porn DVDs I ever bought at
Speaker 1: six eighteen? Uh were you were a baby?
Speaker 2: A baby?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I you know, I grew up, you know, with a
Speaker 1: whole cast and crew that you were involved in. And
Speaker 1: I want to bring up some more of them later
Speaker 1: on too, because I have a couple of little games
Speaker 1: to play that hopefully, hopefully we can get some traction
Speaker 1: moving on something. So let me start with my first
Speaker 1: question here, Cindy, this is kind of a weird one.
Speaker 1: But with all that you do, what do you consider
Speaker 1: your job title to be?
Speaker 2: Number One? I am the creator of pleasure. That's what
Speaker 2: I was born to do. That's I believe my that's
Speaker 2: my purpose in life.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, so talk me through it and maybe
Speaker 1: this will give us reason. You know why you found
Speaker 1: out or how you found out, were a giver, a
Speaker 1: creator of pleasure. Can you talk me through how you
Speaker 1: initially decided to get into the adult entertainment industry? What
Speaker 1: were your steps? Did you have friends that pulled in.
Speaker 1: Did you need money so you decided to do it.
Speaker 1: Were you just always sexy so you were like, fuck it,
Speaker 1: let's get paid.
Speaker 2: No, actually I was. I was working three jobs. I
Speaker 2: was top five percent of the state of Nevada. I
Speaker 2: was in the National Honor Society. I was flown to Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. I'm at the President Clinton. They take me
Speaker 2: to the basement. I was the only one that knows
Speaker 2: that there's a fucking seventeen story building underneath the fucking
Speaker 2: White House. Uh. I was, you know, I was all
Speaker 2: on top of it. And then I went into college
Speaker 2: for forensic science, and then my mom was like I
Speaker 2: felt her dying. So I and then in the middle
Speaker 2: of like forensic science where we were like dissecting bodies
Speaker 2: and my mom had just died, I'm like, I'm out.
Speaker 2: I'm like, book this nonsense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's rough. That's rough timing, especially.
Speaker 2: Since I was only six credits away from graduating. And
Speaker 2: so I'm like, I'm like, huh, what else could I do?
Speaker 2: What else could I do?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: Well, I wasn't never allowed to cut my hair as
Speaker 2: a child, so it was like lady could dive it long,
Speaker 2: and so when she died, I fucking chopped it off.
Speaker 2: It was like, well now it's like long again. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the story. And so after she died, I was like,
Speaker 2: I just want to go to the beach. You know.
Speaker 2: I took a bible. I packed a Bible and a map,
Speaker 2: and I was racing a corvette on the freeway and
Speaker 2: son Sylvia tried to get in the mix, you know,
Speaker 2: and because my windows were too so tinted, they couldn't
Speaker 2: tell if I was a man or a woman. I
Speaker 2: smoked that fucking corvette because Sylvia fucking smokes me. And
Speaker 2: so like when we finally got into traffic, I'm I
Speaker 2: rolled down my window about this much. I'm like, Ouck's dude,
Speaker 2: it's a hot dude. And he rolled down his windows.
Speaker 2: Oh it's a chick. It's hot. I take I'm like,
Speaker 2: pull the fuck over, just pull over. So we pulled
Speaker 2: over at State line and I got out and we hugged,
Speaker 2: and I ended up saying, if you get me into
Speaker 2: the porn industry, I'll fuck your brain's out. So the
Speaker 2: next day he took me to Sin City. He happened
Speaker 2: to be the editor for Sincity and been married to
Speaker 2: him for twenty five years.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, Okay, that did not turn. That didn't go
Speaker 1: the way I thought it was gonna go. That was
Speaker 1: great though. Wait, so did he indicate to you that
Speaker 1: this sounds like no offense if the movie the movie
Speaker 1: stinks apparently? No, no, no, no, this sounds like the movie
Speaker 1: stripped teas almost a little bit where you're like, oh, girl,
Speaker 1: trying to find my way and they're like, no, not strip,
Speaker 1: what is it? No? No, no, no, no, I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it. Is that the one not strip tease?
Speaker 1: What's the other one? Oh with the girl from Saved
Speaker 1: by the Bell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is stripped Jesse from Save.
Speaker 1: By the Bell. No, no, it's not No, it's not
Speaker 1: strip tease. Is Demi Moore? That show Girls is what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about? You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: such a great So, now did you indicate to him
Speaker 1: at all that you were interested in porn or that
Speaker 1: he was involved in porn or did you just throw
Speaker 1: it out there, like if you can get me into porn?
Speaker 1: And then he's thinking, I gotta fuck this girl. How
Speaker 1: do I get her into porn?
Speaker 2: Well, so, I don't want to be like tragic or anything,
Speaker 2: but after my mom died, I went into stripping, so
Speaker 2: it was a stripper for a little while. And so
Speaker 2: I kind of had this girl, you know where we
Speaker 2: were the Zebra Twins and we were the only ones
Speaker 2: allowed in the state of nevad to wear a cowboy hat.
Speaker 2: It was a fucking I don't know. They're like they're
Speaker 2: the Zebra Twins, that's it. And she was like, we
Speaker 2: have this like five bedroom house that I can't pay
Speaker 2: for because her husband, his best friend, had died in
Speaker 2: some tragic tractor accident, so he was in like a
Speaker 2: deep depression and all he would do is just play
Speaker 2: video games and stuff like that. And I'm like you
Speaker 2: have to, you have to confront him, tell him to
Speaker 2: get off his ass and fucking pay for some shit.
Speaker 2: And so, you know, we partied together or whatever, and
Speaker 2: so he's like, I'm gonna kill myself. I'm gonna kill myself.
Speaker 2: And this went on for like three years, like he
Speaker 2: was just bringing her down, bringing I So one day
Speaker 2: I'm like, if you're gonna kill yourself, just just fucking
Speaker 2: do it. And then I heard a gunshot and I'm like.
Speaker 3: Oh, oh, oh, oh, hey yeah, and so I meanwhile,
Speaker 3: me and her were fucking strip male strippers on the
Speaker 3: side from upstairs from Olympic Garden.
Speaker 2: And so we rushed over there and it's like great, great,
Speaker 2: And so that's that's what happened. And so when the
Speaker 2: male stripper that she was dating said that he was
Speaker 2: in love with me and said I was no longer
Speaker 2: allowed at the house, I don't know if he thought
Speaker 2: I was gonna like talk him at a suicide or something,
Speaker 2: but I'm like, I'm out of here. Like I got
Speaker 2: on the road. I packed a Bible and a fucking map,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm going to California. And that's what happened.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, you seemed like such a natural right off
Speaker 1: the bat. If you watch some of your early scenes
Speaker 1: and I want to know, though, what was the first
Speaker 1: speed bump you hit where someone made an offer to you,
Speaker 1: or it was a specific type of scene or a
Speaker 1: niche scene and you were kind of like shaky on it?
Speaker 1: But then maybe how did you push through and fucking
Speaker 1: really like, like, this is a career. It's not fun.
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna be hard work, so I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do the hard work.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me tell you something. Every single step for
Speaker 2: the first probably six seven years was a fucking like
Speaker 2: a speed bump. Like when I first got in, I
Speaker 2: was too thin. They said, oh, you look like a crackhead.
Speaker 2: It looks like your own speed, looks like all this bullshtit.
Speaker 2: So I was signed with Simon Wolf and then and
Speaker 2: then my friends and my family hit Everyone was like
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars a month is you can't do that?
Speaker 2: So I did a few films with him and had
Speaker 2: to cancel that. And then I was offered Playboy TV.
Speaker 2: And the thing about that is on Playboard TV is
Speaker 2: they have to have the rights to show the videos
Speaker 2: when I'm offering it up. But nobody would nobody would
Speaker 2: give the rights. So I'm like, check this video out
Speaker 2: of somebody else, and there was no videos of me,
Speaker 2: so next to that, and then so I was like,
Speaker 2: I want to go hardcore. So I went to Hustler.
Speaker 2: There was only three women that were offered this opportunity
Speaker 2: for a new contract star for for Hustler, and I
Speaker 2: went in and I swear like this entire apartment complex
Speaker 2: was his his, fucking this fucking like this is your office,
Speaker 2: Like this is crazy, So I can't. I came in,
Speaker 2: I sat down and he was you know, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I really like your look. He's like, come around and
Speaker 2: take your clothes off. I'm like, no fucking problem. And
Speaker 2: he was like filling me up. And if anybody had
Speaker 2: told me at the time that I was supposed to
Speaker 2: suck his dick, I would have so, but I was uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I was like, what do I do. Do I suck
Speaker 2: his dick and be unprofessional or do I let him
Speaker 2: fill me up and say, oh, yeah, you're right for
Speaker 2: the job. I did not get on my knees at
Speaker 2: the wheelchair at that time, and nobody got the nobody
Speaker 2: got the contract that nobody got that can I.
Speaker 1: Ask you, do you remember the other two girls?
Speaker 2: Or no, I do not, I do not, Okay, it
Speaker 2: was it was just a sign in sheet.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha? Gotcha? Okay. So okay, So you had like
Speaker 1: almost that, and I don't know, maybe you've had it
Speaker 1: many times. Maybe you don't want to talk. It's almost
Speaker 1: like they talk about that casting couch kind of experience
Speaker 1: in real life A little bit, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But but I was so new, I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know, like if somebody, like if my agent
Speaker 2: had been like, okay, going, you got this, drop to
Speaker 2: your knees, suck as fucking wiener, do whatever you gotta do,
Speaker 2: massage's fucking feet, you know I would have done that.
Speaker 2: But nobody fucking told me that. So I walked in
Speaker 2: thinking I don't want to be just another slut coming
Speaker 2: in taking a clothes of its sadden as dick, you know.
Speaker 1: So sure, sure, okay.
Speaker 2: Had they told me that, they should have told me that,
Speaker 2: I would have done that, no problem.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a couple more questions. Then we're
Speaker 1: going to dive into that company that we're talking about
Speaker 1: and what exactly we're doing. But you notably use your
Speaker 1: real name on stage, I believe is that correct?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Funny story behind that also is the supermodel Cindy Crawford.
Speaker 2: That's not her real name. Her real name is Cynthia Crawford,
Speaker 2: Cynthia Ann Crawford. And when I was first starting out,
Speaker 2: they made a real doll of me, and I had
Speaker 2: a toy line from Topco which we had seventeen new
Speaker 2: you know, adult stuff that I designed that I named
Speaker 2: and I was the first part start ever to be
Speaker 2: sent to China to promote this. Now when I when
Speaker 2: I showed up in China, there was a two story
Speaker 2: billboard of me, and when I stood up to the
Speaker 2: to the to the show, there were five five Asian
Speaker 2: women with a dozen roses each just to thank me
Speaker 2: for coming. And I was like, this is fucking amazing.
Speaker 2: So I get on the podium, I start to sign
Speaker 2: my autographs. I signed about seven and then they start
Speaker 2: to write Chinaman, just a sea of Chinaman, just grabbing
Speaker 2: and pushing it, and they knocked over the podium and
Speaker 2: so I was rushed out to the to the back
Speaker 2: of the building into a limo. And that was my experience.
Speaker 2: I got to sign seven fucking autographs and then yeah,
Speaker 2: and then Sydney Crawford, the model stided me the toy
Speaker 2: line and they didn't have money to fight it. And
Speaker 2: so from then till now, I think she owes me
Speaker 2: some fucking money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think so too. That's your birth name.
Speaker 1: She's just co opting and it sounds like.
Speaker 2: Just didn't have enough money to fight it, but we do.
Speaker 1: Now there you go, there you go at all. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you, though, do you think do you think
Speaker 1: as everything went more digital, do you think that actually
Speaker 1: hurt you more than it helped you? Or did it help?
Speaker 1: Because once Google starts putting in like safe search and
Speaker 1: this and that, this Cindy Crawford, the Cindy Crawford I
Speaker 1: grew up loving you is not going to be populated
Speaker 1: at the top of that now, right.
Speaker 2: The only thing about social media, like the social media platforms. Okay,
Speaker 2: people need to understand this, Okay. So when you go
Speaker 2: to let's say I'm an eighteen year old male, okay,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at porn for the very first time,
Speaker 2: top ten percent of porn hub is hired by let's say,
Speaker 2: skank bank brawsers. And the only reason why they hire
Speaker 2: those those women is because of their social media following.
Speaker 2: They have to have a high social media following so
Speaker 2: that they can sell the movies for them. So top
Speaker 2: ten percent of brasers. Porn Hub is top ten of
Speaker 2: like social media following. Now you can buy social media following,
Speaker 2: you can pay I e. People And most of the
Speaker 2: time it's not even the real chick that's like, you know,
Speaker 2: responding to you. But if she has a high social
Speaker 2: media following, the producers want to hire them because they're
Speaker 2: fucking lazy and they want the chicks to sell the
Speaker 2: movies for them. Now they're cutting out everybody else, including me.
Speaker 2: Brassers won't hire me as a former I get the
Speaker 2: the b rules like my grandma or our mills, you know, oh,
Speaker 2: don't fuck my daughter type of bullshit. You know, it's
Speaker 2: like that's fucking nonsense. And so Sam, an eighteen year
Speaker 2: old male just coming into porn, I'm being brainwashed into
Speaker 2: thinking that these women are the top and that's what
Speaker 2: I should love because you know that they're trending and
Speaker 2: that's everybody else loves. But nine times out of ten,
Speaker 2: when you get on set with these women, they're all
Speaker 2: about the money. They're all about the rules, like don't
Speaker 2: kiss me in the face of let me know, but
Speaker 2: don't touch my hair. You know, it's like, what are
Speaker 2: you an internet prostitute? Like, get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2: I don't want to know about the Mercedes payment.
Speaker 3: Full the star as.
Speaker 2: Fucked because we like to fuck. I mean, like the
Speaker 2: attention and these bitches come in like I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: take a picture of my butt at the Taco Bell
Speaker 2: drive through. This is my butt at the beach, and
Speaker 2: this is my butt and a song, and this is
Speaker 2: my button a different color song. It's like, it's fucking afraid,
Speaker 2: get on with that nonsense.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you, though, has the shift to
Speaker 1: everything being like fully digital. Has that helped or hurt
Speaker 1: performers in a sense, if you can get your only
Speaker 1: fans up and you know, build your own content, there's
Speaker 1: performers that don't have to tie into the studio system, right.
Speaker 2: But yeah, those are the girls that are not doing
Speaker 2: hardcore scenes. Those are the girls that are you know,
Speaker 2: those are the girls who are building relationships with let's
Speaker 2: say they're subscribers, so it's more like a girlfriend experience
Speaker 2: where they upload something every day. This is me, this
Speaker 2: is needed. So these men come into this delusion to
Speaker 2: where it's almost like I'm connected to her. We're kind
Speaker 2: of like girlfriend and boyfriend. I'm I need this every
Speaker 2: single day, whereas you know, if you want to fuck
Speaker 2: you know. So the girls that are making and they
Speaker 2: say one hundred thousand dollars, that's fucking bullshit. I looked
Speaker 2: it up, and I have like five lawyers on my
Speaker 2: team now, and they fucking looked it up. And anyone
Speaker 2: that says that they're making millions of dollars not only fasts,
Speaker 2: they're full of fucking garbage. They're lying to you. Show
Speaker 2: me a statement, show me your big statements, show me
Speaker 2: every time that you've downloaded. I want to pay out, payout,
Speaker 2: pay and they can't produce that because they're fucking not set.
Speaker 2: There's nobody making millions of dollars on only fans, especially
Speaker 2: if you're not showing your ass.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to do a thing called stat check
Speaker 1: that I do on this show, and basically we go
Speaker 1: through the Adult Entertainment or the Internet adult film database,
Speaker 1: and that covers any of your mainstream scenes that you've shot,
Speaker 1: all of that, Okay, the performers you've worked with. Okay,
Speaker 1: So for you total.
Speaker 2: What side? Are you going to use.
Speaker 1: The Internet Adult Film Database IAFD.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, do that one.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, amount of scenes you've shot five hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty two, that is impressive. Okay, the amount of
Speaker 1: guys you've worked with one hundred and sixty two.
Speaker 2: However, however, if you go to Adult Film Database, it's
Speaker 2: like six hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1: So okay, all right, well okay, well I'll need to
Speaker 1: recalculate in the field. Let me just base it on
Speaker 1: these numbers, because of already pulled them in. I want
Speaker 1: to make sure you know. Oh man, I didn't know
Speaker 1: there were two of those, by the way, I thought
Speaker 1: there was just the one. So that's impressive. Scenes five
Speaker 1: sixty two guys you've worked with one sixty two girls
Speaker 1: you've worked with one fifty six. I have, and I
Speaker 1: just do AVN because it's the easiest way to track.
Speaker 1: I have six nominations and one win. Is that accurate?
Speaker 2: Are you're talking about yourself? You have six nominations in
Speaker 2: one win?
Speaker 1: No, I was talking about you. I thought that was accurate.
Speaker 1: Is that inaccurate?
Speaker 2: Inaccurate?
Speaker 1: Okay? What's inaccurate about that? Dina?
Speaker 2: I have six nominations and two wins.
Speaker 1: Two wins. My apologies. I will fix that. Two wins,
Speaker 1: that's the.
Speaker 2: And I just this has not been validated yet, but
Speaker 2: I just learned that I was. I won some XRCU award. Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't know, like five years ago, but nobody told
Speaker 2: me about.
Speaker 1: That's impressive you're winning. When yeah, you're winning, Why not
Speaker 1: even paying attention?
Speaker 2: No, nobody notified me. It wasn't like like I'm just
Speaker 2: living my life, doing my thing, and then I was
Speaker 2: just looking up shit on the internet. I'm like, huh,
Speaker 2: that's interesting, I won an award that nobody told me about.
Speaker 2: There you goucking bizarre, right.
Speaker 1: That's because you're a legend. You just keep going legend.
Speaker 1: I always say legend for performers that were around when
Speaker 1: I was younger, but it's it almost is insulting. I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't want to put an age that
Speaker 1: you still want.
Speaker 2: Great people do call me legend. Even when I'm on
Speaker 2: set just doing the b roll for like brassers and stuff.
Speaker 2: There was this new performer and I was supposed to
Speaker 2: be the milf uh and I'm supposed to walk in
Speaker 2: on and you know, fucking in the night, I said,
Speaker 2: let's do this instead of me like freaking out, Let's
Speaker 2: do a fake thing. And so I throw myself on
Speaker 2: the floor and I'm like, oh oh, somebody roses into
Speaker 2: a wet cloth, and I mean it was amazing, And
Speaker 2: so I get up so that they can do their
Speaker 2: actual sex scene. And I'm walking down the stairs as
Speaker 2: somebody goes Sidney Crawford, You're the goat. And at this
Speaker 2: time I didn't know what goat meant. So I went last,
Speaker 2: and I didn't find out until like two days later
Speaker 2: that the greatest of all time. I'm like, how stupid?
Speaker 2: How stupid do I sound? Right then? Like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but at least like the newbies, you know, they recognize
Speaker 2: who I am.
Speaker 1: Sure, it's just.
Speaker 2: It's just trying to get everybody else in line.
Speaker 1: You know. If this is too personal, don't bring it up.
Speaker 1: I've only seen you mention it in another interview, so
Speaker 1: I'm okay asking it. But if again, if you don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about that's fine. You were out of
Speaker 1: me in the street for twelve years, right eight thirteen
Speaker 1: years thirteen? And what led to you stepping away? When
Speaker 1: was the actual decision to not when, but what caused
Speaker 1: the actual decision, Like I need to stop doing this
Speaker 1: for a.
Speaker 2: Bit, okay. So so when my entire family died, you know,
Speaker 2: in succession, and I went into porn. And I was
Speaker 2: doing okay for a while. But when you come to
Speaker 2: a fact that, you know, when it sets in that
Speaker 2: everybody's gone and everybody's dead, you kind of go into
Speaker 2: this self destructive mode. And so I started. That's when
Speaker 2: I got the tattoos, I started the brandings, I started slashing,
Speaker 2: I started doing heavy, heavy drinking on set, and just
Speaker 2: I was a fucking mess, you know. And so when
Speaker 2: I when I decided to step away my very last year,
Speaker 2: I was actually pregnant two thousand and eight, and that's
Speaker 2: the year that I won two awards, and I couldn't
Speaker 2: accept the awards because my ride, Jim Lane, that was
Speaker 2: my only ride home because I was like, I was
Speaker 2: so destituted. I was like and so like, I've got
Speaker 2: to get out of this shit, you know. So I
Speaker 2: stepped out and I did like high price escorting, but
Speaker 2: that was even worse because it was almost too degragating.
Speaker 2: So at that point I stopped, I stopped bathing, I
Speaker 2: stopped brushing my hair. I stopped doing my makeup. I
Speaker 2: just let my hair grow, you know, black, and it
Speaker 2: got so redded up that it was like an enormous dreadlock,
Speaker 2: like I couldn't There was no brushing it out, there
Speaker 2: was nothing. So I remember just sitting in the bathroom
Speaker 2: and it was just so heavy and so pulling on me,
Speaker 2: and my husband just came up with the with the
Speaker 2: like cutters. He's like Gan and like all my fucking
Speaker 2: like half of my head just fell off, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: we we have to do something about this. This is
Speaker 2: not working. So from then then point on, I started
Speaker 2: working out and I'm like, you know what, I have
Speaker 2: more to give. I have more to give. I'm fucking hot.
Speaker 2: And so it took me three years propositioning every fucking
Speaker 2: company with updated pictures, updated with it, for Jim Lane
Speaker 2: to finally give me a fucking shot and my first
Speaker 2: scene back with a seven black eyed game. Bang. So
Speaker 2: I went with one oh one fucking nonsense, don't even
Speaker 2: get me started with that. I have a lawsuit against
Speaker 2: uh one on one because friand defamation of character needs
Speaker 2: to be docked. So I went from one on one
Speaker 2: and then I went from another one and then I
Speaker 2: went with te Reals Agency was his ideal image models,
Speaker 2: and so then he's like, I know you are not
Speaker 2: what people perceive you to be before, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: thank you. So then he gave me a shot and
Speaker 2: then I came back and now here we are.
Speaker 1: There you go. So when you did that seven guy gangbang,
Speaker 1: was that a lot to jump into? Like how did
Speaker 1: you feel the next day? Were you exhilarated? Where you
Speaker 1: fucking wiped? Like? What was that? Like?
Speaker 2: Okay, after thirteen years, I'm not having huge black dix
Speaker 2: in your butt. The nervous system beforehand was like I
Speaker 2: don't know if I can do this, Like your what
Speaker 2: your sweat your ass off? You're like you're like, but
Speaker 2: I was like, you got this, you got this. We
Speaker 2: practiced at home. We practiced at home. But it's like
Speaker 2: once you get back into it, like the first scene
Speaker 2: back you're like, oh, I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: What the fuck am I doing? But then the next
Speaker 2: one you're like, oh, I know.
Speaker 4: What the fuck I'm doing. Almost like riding a bike
Speaker 4: with one pedal, it's like and then you get the
Speaker 4: next pedal and you're like oh, I remember this.
Speaker 2: Exactly what I do.
Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about what you are currently doing. So
Speaker 1: you're back full time now with a mission, and that
Speaker 1: is resurrecting an iconic brand, Anarchy Films. Now, the first
Speaker 1: porn DVD I ever bought was an Anarchy Films DVD. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was hor Gaggers too. And you know what's so funny.
Speaker 1: I look back at all my favorite performers and so
Speaker 1: many of them were on that DVD. So I think
Speaker 1: it's like almost a first impression what you get and
Speaker 1: you go, oh, I'm locked into this person for life.
Speaker 1: Now I love this person, I love this performance.
Speaker 2: I can almost Yeah, this is my first.
Speaker 1: Dy So let me ask you, what was Anarchy's calling card?
Speaker 1: Why is this so important for you to bring it back? Like?
Speaker 1: Was it? I should ask you because I don't know
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes. Is this a label that you
Speaker 1: owned at the time, or you participate? I know you
Speaker 1: did a lot of shoots for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like playing with Sydney Crawford. That whole line
Speaker 2: is huge. Okay. So Anarchy Films was just like a
Speaker 2: production company back in the day, and they have like
Speaker 2: the four hundred and fifty six titles now the owner
Speaker 2: of Anarchy Guy. I'm not gonna say his last name
Speaker 2: because he won't even let me take a picture of
Speaker 2: him because I fucked him earlier and he's in a
Speaker 2: different industry now and it won't mix. But Guy and
Speaker 2: his dad and the wife, they owned Anarchy, Python and
Speaker 2: Fifth Element Films. Now, out of the blue, he contacts
Speaker 2: me and he says, I want to get out of
Speaker 2: the porn industry and there's nobody in this industry that
Speaker 2: I feel would be better to give my entire company too.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, are you freaking serious? So we met
Speaker 2: and there was a huge I mean, it took us
Speaker 2: five days to empty this storage unit with like three
Speaker 2: guys working non stop just to get all of the content,
Speaker 2: all of the cams, the DVDs, the you know, everything
Speaker 2: out And so I'm like, why are you doing this?
Speaker 2: Why are you getting this to me? He's like, because
Speaker 2: I know you are the one that's going to take
Speaker 2: this somewhere. I'm like, well, thanks for the vote of confidence.
Speaker 2: Can I get a signature all that ship? So signed
Speaker 2: the paperwork right on his Mercedes and that was done.
Speaker 1: Wow, all right?
Speaker 2: And yes, and yes I did have sex with him
Speaker 2: earlier today, but that was just because I like him.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping for the indeed to be inducted into the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: So have you Have you been told there's a chance
Speaker 1: of that yet? Are you up for it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it's not. It's not a thing that you're
Speaker 2: up for. You know. It's not like a nomination. It's
Speaker 2: not like but I think I'm going to get it
Speaker 2: this year. I think I'm gonna be inducted into Amian
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. Everybody crossed your fingers.
Speaker 1: Well if you feel if you don't get in and
Speaker 1: you feel bad, just remember this that Tupac got into No,
Speaker 1: don't do that. Tupac got into the Rock and Roll
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame before Ozzy did.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, who the fuck is running that shit?
Speaker 1: That's what I mean. So look if for some reason.
Speaker 2: Pepper Yes got in like two years ago, like.
Speaker 1: What it's it's yeah, it's crazy. So look, if you
Speaker 1: don't get in this year, you will eventually get in
Speaker 1: because you are that legendary performer. So take me through
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do with this newfound company? And
Speaker 1: let me ask you, is it just the Anarchy brand
Speaker 1: or is it the two other brands as well that
Speaker 1: he owned.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's Anarchy, Anarchy Pictures, Python Pictures, and Fifth Element Films.
Speaker 2: It's like there's three brands. However, just going to hone
Speaker 2: in on Anarchy as for now because they have the
Speaker 2: most titles. Fifth Element Films is more of like like
Speaker 2: the Blacks, the Asians, the you know, the that type
Speaker 2: of stuff. Python Pictures didn't do a lot of titles,
Speaker 2: but I was thinking about changing the name to Python
Speaker 2: Histures like PI s Stures and making it full gay
Speaker 2: gay like kink stuff like gay kink like pissing and
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, and I and I
Speaker 2: brought it up. I brought it up the guy today
Speaker 2: and he's like, why the fuck didn't we think of that?
Speaker 2: But my silent partner as for now says, we need
Speaker 2: to tackle one thing at a time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I get it. That makes sense. That does
Speaker 1: make sense. I think Archy's the strongest name out of
Speaker 1: them too, Like it makes me recognize, hey, this is
Speaker 1: a this is a thing that's going to be exciting. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, if you go on any search, any you know
Speaker 2: platform that you buy adult movies on, type in Anarchy Films,
Speaker 2: and there's tons of that tons and I own every
Speaker 2: single one of them.
Speaker 1: So that's really cool, and that's really nice. And again,
Speaker 1: you went through your troubles and and the stuff you
Speaker 1: had to deal with, but you seems like you're coming
Speaker 1: out the other side, Like you've already come out the
Speaker 1: other side. But now we're growing from there. You know,
Speaker 1: you were buried for a while. You're crawling. You crawled out.
Speaker 1: Now it's time to start scaling that mountain, you know.
Speaker 1: And absolutely, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I own the world at one point, we're going to
Speaker 2: own everything.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. If some guy calls you a
Speaker 1: news office to try and give you the world, what
Speaker 1: you gotta do? What do we what did we learn
Speaker 1: we have to do now? If someone is in an
Speaker 1: office and they're trying to give you something, make sure
Speaker 1: it's worth it. Oh I was gonna say, suck is dick?
Speaker 2: Uh make sure it's worth sucking it?
Speaker 1: Then that's fair enough. Yeah, you should you should verify
Speaker 1: first that. Uh yeah yeah. So okay, so what is
Speaker 1: the plan. Are we going to just start doing things
Speaker 1: under that title? Are you getting a domain name and
Speaker 1: are you going to build like a pay site with it?
Speaker 1: Are we just going to take the full collection of everything,
Speaker 1: and uh put it online so people can access all
Speaker 1: of that, like what maybe early days, but what is
Speaker 1: the plan for it?
Speaker 2: Okay, so there are tons and tons of content unreleased,
Speaker 2: you know, behind the scenes, photos, scenes, all kinds of
Speaker 2: stuff that has not been released yet. Titless like these,
Speaker 2: we're going to continue like the like Nutbusters series or
Speaker 2: Pop that Cherry. We're going to incorporate the new girls
Speaker 2: and we're going to continue those lines. Now. My idea
Speaker 2: is I want to do like It now and then
Speaker 2: type of thing where because the newbies, like the millennials,
Speaker 2: they don't fucking know what porn is. What I want
Speaker 2: to do is I want to splice something really really
Speaker 2: fucking old, like Nina Hartley, and I want to put
Speaker 2: Nina Harley in a scene and then splice it with
Speaker 2: a brand new scene and then an old scene and
Speaker 2: a new scene, old scene, new sing so that they're
Speaker 2: you know, comparative to what you know porn should be.
Speaker 2: Now that's one line, and then of course we're going
Speaker 2: to continue with like like Chocolate Lovers and let's see
Speaker 2: young young, young hip humpsters. I want to I might
Speaker 2: change a few of the titles there but but sweets
Speaker 2: brown Sugar. You know, we have I'm represented by ideal
Speaker 2: image models right now, and uh, September wants to be
Speaker 2: one of our you know, first shot scenes. And she's
Speaker 2: actually posting a toy drive here in Las Vegas, and
Speaker 2: you know, and like a Naho, you know, these new
Speaker 2: girls we want to we want to incorporate everybody. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be one of those companies like
Speaker 2: porn Hub. You know. I don't want the top ten
Speaker 2: percent just because they're fucking hot. I want everybody that
Speaker 2: loves a fuck, you know. I want everybody old, young,
Speaker 2: you know, new, you know whatever, fat, you know, because
Speaker 2: porn is not about just fucking on camera. It's about
Speaker 2: loving the experience of having an intimate sexual relationship, with
Speaker 2: loving yourself and loving your partner. And if that helps
Speaker 2: somebody who's watching it come out of their stell and
Speaker 2: do the.
Speaker 1: Same, I think that. I think that's great.
Speaker 2: Our new model is is we fuck everyone, including the system.
Speaker 1: Oh and that's great for anarchy. I think that's great.
Speaker 1: I really do. I think that's a great tagline. That's
Speaker 1: so funny. Oh I well, Cindy, we gotta wrap this
Speaker 1: one up. I'm out of time. But you, like I
Speaker 1: said before, legend, I think you're gonna do great with this.
Speaker 1: I really do. I think you have the drive for it.
Speaker 1: I think you had to have the for it when
Speaker 1: you got into this industry. You succeeded. You went all
Speaker 1: the way to the top. You've got an awards that
Speaker 1: you don't even know you got, apparently, And I don't know.
Speaker 1: When I see performers like you from my I don't
Speaker 1: want to say childhood, but my college time, okay, over eighteen,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, damn, there should be more opportunities
Speaker 1: for them to grow in this industry, to age in
Speaker 1: this industry. I got. If they tell you to play
Speaker 1: a mom, you don't look like an old lady mom,
Speaker 1: but take it because I want to see you in
Speaker 1: more scenes. I need to see more content of you.
Speaker 1: You're one of my favorite performers of all time. Let
Speaker 1: me ask this last question, what do you think the
Speaker 1: end game is? Are you going to be doing this
Speaker 1: till you're seventy five shooting guilf porn or do you
Speaker 1: have a number you'd be set at and you want
Speaker 1: to step away? Do you have an age that you think,
Speaker 1: oh if I get here, and I'd like to just
Speaker 1: be entirely behind the camera at this point. What's like
Speaker 1: the future for Cindy Crawford in terms of staying in
Speaker 1: the industry.
Speaker 2: Okay, for me, this is my life. This is what
Speaker 2: I was born to do. There is no set out game.
Speaker 2: When I am dead is when I am out. If
Speaker 2: I'm no longer accepted in the industry, I will find
Speaker 2: another way in period. I'm not quitting. I'm not stopping.
Speaker 2: And even if I were to get an accident, a
Speaker 2: car accident tomorrow, I would find another way. Paraplegic porn. Fine,
Speaker 2: this is my drive, this is my life, this is
Speaker 2: my living, This is what I was set to do.
Speaker 2: This is my purpose in life.
Speaker 1: Shallow, No, not at all, Not at all. I respect it.
Speaker 1: You know what you want to do and you're reaching
Speaker 1: out to do it, folks if you want to check it.
Speaker 2: Not stopping till und No, not at all.
Speaker 1: Do we have an kind of what should we do
Speaker 1: to watch for these updates on Anarchy? Are you gonna
Speaker 1: be posting them on Twitter? Are you gonna post them
Speaker 1: on your only fans? Like the fans want to know
Speaker 1: you got to give them a little something on like,
Speaker 1: when this stuff's kicking off, are you gonna tease them
Speaker 1: a little? If anyone knows how to tease, it would
Speaker 1: be Cindy Crawford.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course. So ABN dot com is the best
Speaker 2: for the news as to when we shoot our first scene,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be headline news. Other than that, like the
Speaker 2: the stuff that we're shooting now, which is the first
Speaker 2: week of January right before ABN, we're kind of keeping
Speaker 2: it hush hush because we want it to be like
Speaker 2: a like a blast. We don't want to be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: something's coming up and maybe starring these people, it's going
Speaker 2: to be a complete blast. So right before Avian Avian
Speaker 2: is the adan show, I should say, is Tory one
Speaker 2: through the twenty fourth. So right then we're gonna shoot
Speaker 2: the very first movie I should say, five scenes, okay,
Speaker 2: all mixed mixed up, meaning blacks, whites, Asians. I've even
Speaker 2: got a gay guy that that's gonna do a woman
Speaker 2: and a man at the same time, So okay.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, well, folks, I will also retweet anything
Speaker 1: I come across about this. I'll put it out there
Speaker 1: because again I wasn't bullshitting like I know my first title,
Speaker 1: like I said, by name, I know the all of
Speaker 1: the performers that were on it, and it was an
Speaker 1: anarchy film. So I'm excited. And then on top of that,
Speaker 1: I'm excited for a performer that I respect, like you,
Speaker 1: to be taking on the reins of that, and I
Speaker 1: think it's a great challenge. And you know what, it
Speaker 1: won't on knock on would But if it doesn't work out,
Speaker 1: I know Cindy Crawford is just gonna pivot to find
Speaker 1: something new. You can't keep her out of this, folks.
Speaker 1: You can't keep her out of this. Remember, if you
Speaker 1: want to check her out, it's at Cindy Crawford, exactly
Speaker 1: where you think it is. Okay. Links to that are
Speaker 1: going to be in the episode description include all the
Speaker 1: links for everything she's doing. And that initial article about
Speaker 1: you launch relaunching anarchy film, I thought it was great.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really really good. I was so excited.
Speaker 1: It was honestly like I went back in a fucking
Speaker 1: time machine. If I'm being honest with you, it was
Speaker 1: like Cindy Crawford anchy. I'm used to getting flooded with
Speaker 1: the ten biggest social media girls, right and so I
Speaker 1: see that and I go, oh my god, this is like,
Speaker 1: this is like two thousand and seven, two thousand and
Speaker 1: nine all over again. I love this shit. So I'm
Speaker 1: very I'm very excited to see where you go from here.
Speaker 1: And again, even if you decide no, this isn't the path,
Speaker 1: but we're going to do this. I think you're going
Speaker 1: to do just fine. I think you're going to do
Speaker 1: just fine.
Speaker 2: And it's very hard to get on the front page
Speaker 2: of Baby And by.
Speaker 1: The way, again a big deal shout out to.
Speaker 2: Beth, Thank you, thank you very much, Dan Miller
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen this year, come on,