Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. Welcome to That's Not Metal. We are your
weekly heavy music podcast, and welcome here to addition to Hyperblasts,
where we come at you every Friday with the week's
news and going's on. We let you know what we
make of the stuff that's been going on and boys
that particularly spicy this week. I suppose we also hit
you up at the end of it with a list
of the week's releases that you may want to check out.
Everything under the banners of rock, heavy metal, hardcore, etc.
Let's get into all of that. My name is Paren
Hish and joining me as you have been of late
on these Hyperblasts.
Speaker 2: Mark Sanderson is across me. How you're doing.
Speaker 3: I'm all right, mate, I've not had an eventful week.
I saw the back rooms yesterday. That was pretty you
made it out. You didn't get lost. I didn't get lost.
Picture of this mate, whatever space was liminal? Did you
imagine that? Pretty fucked up? I could barely fathom.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a pretty good week.
Speaker 1: I continued on from last week's Live Black Metal Antics
because last weekend, the last weeks show, I was talking
about going to Fortress Festival, all the good stuff going
on there swiftly following on from that, this week I
went to see the debut UK show of Ebony Pendant,
which is a band who in the last like kind
of five six years, like in the twenties, really have
been one of your one of the sort of again
the underground, upcoming sort of names, like they've done splits
with Lampa, Murmur and some of these type bands and
then from the US, and like I said, they've did
I think they did two UK shows this week and
the one in Manchester was the first one and I
went on that and that.
Speaker 2: Was very cool.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed them very much. Lots of you know, big
capes that kind of vibe, but you know, pretty straightforward
traditional black metal, but they play it really well. They've
got some sick riffs. I'm waiting to see if I've
been cursed because it was it was a strange follow
me on this. There was a strange little support bill
for this ever dependant show, which included two noise acts
and then the other black metal band on the bill
was literally a one man band with him just playing
guitar and like the rest of it on like you know,
programmed drums and stuff like that. But it completely fucking
fell apart and went to shit. It was kind of
a name like it was. It was a bit of
a calamity every dependent likes. That was really good. But
one of the two noise acts who was playing is
an act called Absolute Key from Finland, which I think
is a great name. Absolute Key sounds like you're describing
something that's particularly great. And you know, we often talk
about jingling keys in a like, you know, kind of
keep people entertained, entertained the babies type way. This was
literally a guy jingling keys into a microphone to a
start off this like harsh noise set, but to all
the end of his set, he he got a like
a book out and was ripping pages out of this
book and throwing them at like the people in the
front row of the audience. And one of these pages
like landed at my feet, so I picked it up
and the words were like entirely in finish, which so
I cannot even begin to pass what it might say
on it, and then scrawled like over the text. It
was like a drawn like red occult symbol, so it
looked like something like the Evil Dead or something like that.
And I like, I touched this page just into my pocket,
and I was like, that's a spookult item, isn't it.
But I'm I'm waiting to see you basically if I
get like drag me to held you know what I mean,
Like because I'm holding the cursed item.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's good luck. Have you flipped of coin
since maybe I'll be heads all the way?
Speaker 1: No, No, I haven't, but I trust it would be
absolutely key if I do.
Speaker 2: So that was my week.
Speaker 1: It might maybe by the end of it I will
have like, you know, spontaneously combusted or fucking fallen down
a manhole or something. The lammia will have claimed me.
Speaker 2: But there we go.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the week's news, and it's we've got
a lot to get through. It's not very often that
the absolute biggest story, like the story that everyone here
will be aware of, that has dominated the week's discussion
in a way that honestly, only a few stories a
year dominate their you know, respective weeks of discussion revolves
around around man in a banana costume. It's very very
rare that such a thing occurs. But here we go.
Like I said, it's the biggest story that's been going
around that everyone's having their their say on, so we're
gonna stop and have ours. I suppose what you might
roughly call Banana Mangate Banana Gates end it the hardcore
band who released a like pretty decent album last year.
I feel like it was well liked, it was pretty
you know, went down pretty well. In that scene, they
were playing a show in Toronto this week and a
man in the front row who was wearing one of
those full body banana costumes they singled him out, said
something on the lines of like, hey, you'd be looking
for attention by you know, wearing this big banana costume.
Now you've got it, and summoned the rest of the
crowd basically to rip the banana costume off of this
man in question. And this happened at like the weekend.
We are now, you know, basically entering into the follow
up weekend, and this fucking discourse machine is still it's
still going, it's still powering forward. Like I said, everybody
here I'm sure knows and has heard this story. It's
the fallout from it that I suppose we are going
to try and wade into a little bit. And it
is still going, still developing. But I suppose let's approach
this in stages, because I think there are kind of
levels of this to get through. It has genuinely split
the certainly the internet, but the hardcore community areas you know,
adjacent looking into the hardcore community as well, Like very
few things I can remember, to be honest, you know,
summoning these strong reactions either you know, for or against,
going both ways. So let's try and get to the
bottom of this. As I said, approach us in stages.
First of all, so before we get to maybe the
severity of the incident and what kind of you know,
developed there, what happened to the banana man we will
address in a minute, But first, putting aside the way
that this you know turned possibly nasty, let's discuss banana
men overall. And by banana men we mean anyone who
is wearing you know, a similar goofy you know, over
the top, you know, daft festival type costumes to a show.
Because this is obviously something that people feel strongly about.
Because when end it, you know, pulled this move and
this video went out, many people were celebrating essentially the
you know, de bananaing of the the unpeeling of the
bananaman and it's something that feel people feel very strongly about,
Like people have almost in built or built up resentment. Yeah,
you know, a real frustration with these you know this
this kind of species of person basically at particularly let's say,
underground shows, like a hardcore show. So when this happened,
people were like, yeah, fucking get them a lot of
the time. So let's try and get into that.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 1: What is your immediate gut response to, as I say,
not what actually happened to the banana man in question
here we all addressed that in a moment, but just
the the phenomenon of these silly characters appearing at small,
underwearing hardcore shows and stuff.
Speaker 3: Like that gut feeling that's a bit annoying. Like I
don't have the full on, like frothing at the mouth
hatred for this sort of stuff. I just find it
disruptive and annoying, like when those guys were doing the
magic the gathering shit, yeah a few years ago. It's
just like I hate the term main character syndrome, but
it's that it's tapping into that sort of just like
you're making the whole show about you, well done, like
what do you what do you want to pat on
the head is just like and it is a big
part of it is where it's turning up so a
little like hardcore show in a club or something that's
so much different than like, fuck yeah, do this that
steps show in an area?
Speaker 2: Fuck it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's stupid.
Speaker 2: It steps.
Speaker 3: I like Steps a lot, but you know, you know
what I mean. The venue in which they're choosing to
be a banana is incongrugous congregou yes, is just a
bit like what is the point in this?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I I think that's a huge part of it. I am,
in principle anti banana man, not necessarily you know, this
specific banana man in you know, uh as his whole
situation unfolded. But the wider athlete, the archetype, the type
of guy that is the banana man at the show, which,
as you've identified, is broader than literally just bananas. I
was thinking, you know, other fucking I'm wearing a SpongeBob costume,
I'm wearing a hot dog costume, I'm playing magic, the
gathering in the I'm filming the show on my three ds.
You know, any of these like weird chronically online attention seeking,
you know, behaviors at shows. This is what we are roughly.
You know, the banana man is kind of the figurehead
in this scenario for this kind of behavior.
Speaker 3: It also applies to like the people who'd go on
stage to take selfies. Yeah, that thing, just anyone who
disrupts a show, to.
Speaker 1: Make sure, because that's the reason people don't like it. It's
the attention seeking, self centering.
Speaker 2: Haha, look at me.
Speaker 1: Isn't this I don't know, this show we're in, isn't
this more fun and wacky because I am here dressed
in this way? You know, I do think you know
that there are points where people say it's not disruptive
to a show. Fundamentally, there is an element of the
banana costume particularly is fucking tall and has a big
like you know, stalk sticking out the head of it.
So it's it's not fun to stand behind banana man
a show like he is genuinely disrupting your view of
the show. And like, you know, if you're just a
tall person, like I'm a fairly tall person, there's not
you know, you can do your best to maneuver yourself,
but you can't change you know, how your height or whatever.
Speaker 2: But if you are.
Speaker 1: Literally turning up to a show artificially inflating your height
by like a foot or something because you're wearing a
stupid fucking banana costume.
Speaker 2: Is that genuine?
Speaker 1: Like, is that adding enough to the experience to warrant
annoying someone, you know, obstructing a view in that way?
I completely agree that there is a totally different set
of kind of etiquette going on here to like a
outdoor fest, even a big arena show. But I recall
a machine head at Bloodstock last year. I believe I
remember correctly that there was you know, Rob Flynn being
a character who on stage or like you know, he'll
point people out in the crowd and stuff like that
and have a bit of back and forth with them
in a very fun you're like, oh, we're all here
having a beer kind of way, you know what I mean.
I recall at Bloodstot last year they're being a banana
man in the crowd and Roblin was like, come on,
banana man, come up on you thrown in pikes or whatever,
and like yeah, at a big festival, particularly like a
camping festival, where there's a certain air of like throw
off the laws of like everyday life and you can
be whatever you want to be.
Speaker 3: It's mad Max out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that is a totally different thing to
a small club show. If you're getting on the fucking
bus or the tube to go to a small venue,
either you know, wearing the banana costume or you've tucked
it away in your bag or something to you know,
put on at the venue to go and see applic
in this case relevant to point out a politically minded
hardcore band that is a totally different like banana man.
Like I say, a festival, do not give a shit, right,
I wouldn't do it, But I'm not gonna in no
way I'm upset to see those people in that environment.
But if if the venue is small enough that literally
one person in a banana costume is like visible to
everybody in the room, yes, then there might be a problem.
And as we've said here, there is a major I
think a subcultural sort of element and distinction that should
be taken into play here. And I think that the
people who are you really like within the hardcore world,
who have taken so much like umbrage with these type
people appearing in their shows, this is kind of the
mindset there. I'm about to say something that I think,
you know, has the potential to come off as really pretentious,
but I think fundamentally there is there is truth in it. Music,
and specifically subcultural music that is outside of the mainstream
that develop its own home and community, right is a
underground countercultural art form, and I think everyone would enjoy
that more and get more out of it if we
just took that more seriously, you know what I mean,
Like there was there's been kind of you know, some
of the comments flying back the other way talking about
basically people like policing what people wear.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, are you talk of such a
big game of being like an anti police, anti cop,
you know, fucking subculture where then you come out and
you want everyone to perform to a certain way of
appearing and you don't want to, you know, trying to
police what people wear whatever. I think part of the
appeal of a subculture, a musical subculture, is immersing yourself
in its environment, and I think it does cheapen it.
You know, if you add this like real clownishness into
that mix, like it it mars what you are taking in.
You know, if you are going to like, if you
imagine like a fucking eighties goth show, right, if you like,
dial your mind back, go in a time machine, You're
going to see season the Banshees or Christian Death or
something in the eighties, and there's a guy in a
fucking banana costume. Like that is not the vibe that
you want for that vision that that subculture took itself seriously.
We don't have as much as this problem in like
black metal shows, for example, because that subculture does take
itself and you know, has a certain air air around it,
but it would be the same thing, but like, what
the fuck are you doing? Like this is not the
vibe for this, And yeah, a counterculture that has a
right to take itself seriously. I think there are people
who are like, why are you taking it so seriously?
Speaker 2: But as a.
Speaker 1: Countercultural art form, there is a certain level of like
this is something that has drawn us all together, you
know what I mean, And this has its own you know,
kind of esthetic and its own texture, you know. Turning
that into the attention seeking clown show is something that
I personally I bounce off of, Like I am repulsed
by that idea, Like I genuinely am and I think
people you romanticize like old vintage hardcore clips like you
can pull up like his Agnostic Throat or Earth Crisis
or something playing in X venue in X year in
the eighties or nineties, and you watch this and it's
like an awe inspiring document of like this culture, you know,
because there's no fucking banana meen in there. There's no
one playing magic, the gathering in the pit, there's no
one filming on a free DS.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: This is a similar thing to when recently, or you know,
a year or two ago, there was an instant where
the band Drain called out people who were doing one
of the rowing pits right because the rowing pit, like
I say, in the right environment, if you're watching a
mono math doing the song that they specifically wrote because
of the phenomenon of rowing pits, like, yeah, that's the
place to do it, but don't do it a fucking
Drain show, you know what I mean. There is a
element of performative, self centering, forced fun that I think
actually sucks some of the authenticity of the subculture and
what it's kind of trying to stand for out of
the show. You know what I mean, and like I said,
I think there are people who will be like, why
you taking it so seriously? That's a really pretentious viewpoint,
but I think that's part of what gives this music
and these kind of shows power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you think hardcore specifically, so much of
hardcore is rallying. It's about all being you know, as one, uniting,
you know, being there for each other, rebelling against something
bigger than you. If you're taking something that's supposed to
be this is all of us, we're all one, and
being like, oh look at me, I'm dressed as a
melon or whatever. That's just not You're not part of this.
You're not taking not that you're taking it seriously because
there's a gig. It's supposed to be fun. You're supposed
to you know, have fun at it. But it is
a bit you know, you're detracting from the actual message,
in the actual vibe of this by being like me, me, me, me, me,
look at my tiktoks, follow me on Instagram. Fuck off
with that is so annoying. And sure if you because
I've seen people you know, sort of argue against that
and be like, oh, it's just music. It's not that serious.
Let's just take it just like you know, time and place.
Let's argue that, like you say, this is festival shit.
You wouldn't take a lawn chair and a chili dog
to a trash talk show like you went.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't dress as a banana go into a fucking
art gallery, no.
Speaker 3: Ah, exactly. It's I don't know. It's lame, isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's just lame.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the I believe the guy in question
because there was a response you know, that he put
on Instagram afterwards. He appears to have some kind of
Instagram account where he's like regularly wearing this banana costume
to like lots of shows and you do, you man,
But it just kind of sucks, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Like it?
Speaker 1: It's just like it's just not cool. And I think
it is, like you're kind of putting forward there. I
think it is a little demeaning to the actual art
in question. And that's clearly why a band like end It,
who are, as we said, you know, trying to get
across some serious shit within their songs, right when there
is something distracting from that in such a just sort
of like read the rum type way. You know that
clearly would be really fucking annoying. And I completely agree
that it does. I say it kind of it sucks
some of the the air of being like, oh, I
am immersed in at this show and its environment, in
its community. Some of that is, even if it's just
a tiny bit, you know, yeah, he's not actually hurting anyone,
but even if it's just a tiny bit, some of
that atmosphere of that is, you know, it wavers because
of the person doing the stupid fucking you know, social
media clout shit in the pit, you know what I mean.
And I do think that there is an element of
a subculture like hardcore has its own community and its
own practices and for decades, right, it's been around for
a long time now, and it's wavered, a lot of weathered,
a lot of different you know, eras there is an
element of it has to police itself against kind of
outside cheapification, you know, for its cultures and its values
to survive in any seriousness, like, it has to enforce
these kind of values or it ceases to be. And
I know that sounds like really high and mighty and
really gatekeeping. When the specific incident we're talking about is
just a guy in a banana costume who's not actually
hurting anyone, But that is the principle that is being
kind of you know, put forward here that people. That's
why people are so like vigorously against a you know,
a banana man at a hardware show, you know what
I mean. And you are seeing so many people rally
to the cause of, like, let's keep this goofy shit
out of hardcore because if your crowd ceases to have
any meaningful difference with that you know, big festival crowd
where people are you know, behaving and present themselves in
that kind of way, then what space are you actually
playing to, you know, when you're in your own hardcore space.
Speaker 3: Yes, the fact that he's a serial banana I don't
know if that makes him more annoying. I think it does.
The fact that this is a thing he does at
every show does sort of rub me up the wrong way.
It's like, do you even like punk or do you
just like being a quirky, jungus wacky guy on Instagram?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we're saying.
Speaker 1: All of this, and I think if anyone is listening
and is you know, took great offense to what happened
at that show on the behalf of the Banana Man.
You might be listening to us right now and thinking
that we are, you know, adding our voices to the
chorus of those who are like, yeah, fuck the Banana Man.
That guy deserves everything that came his way. I think
I'm trying to speak more to and voice the the
you know, the attitude and the principle that has led
people to be so as I say, you know, vehemently
anti Banana Man and all that stuff, because I am
one hundred percent with it in that way, I agree,
but all of that kind of high minded, subcultural theorizing
in reality, whether you agree with that or not. There's
also the element that what happened here was assault, you know,
and there has been lots of debate, you know, again,
as is part of the steam rolling, you know, snowballing
element of this discourse, lots of debate over the last
week or so about the level of seriousness of the assault,
you know, where essentially a lot of the crowd on
the you know, the the orders of the singer of
end It jumped on this guy and like ripped off
his his banana costume, and as I said, you know
that the level of the seriousness what kind of assault
you might want to described that has been you know,
people have come up that in different ways, but what
it have to be, you know, baseline established is that
you know, non consensual violence happened against this man, and
what else do you call that but assault? And I, yes,
I have the exact same response to his like you know,
Instagram response and all this kind of stuff. But I
can I can believe that Banana Man is probably a
decent enough guy who doesn't want to upset anyone. We
might think he's cringed, we might think he's not understanding
the environment he's in properly, but he's you know, he's
probably not a bad guy. I imagine that he's probably
had a very rough week becoming the like global focus
of the entire heavy music community, you know what I mean,
in such a negative way. And you know, in some
sense you could claim, yeah, you wanted that attention, You've
stepped into that arena. But I doubt he ever imagined
it would come to this, you know. And I think
it's that's part of the the escalation of social media
as well, because if this similar story had happened decades ago.
If someone in two thousand and two got a banana
costume ripped off of them, no one will fucking know.
It'd be a bit of public shaming in their local scene,
maybe enough to snap him out of that and be
go going, Okay, I won't do that again. But nowhere
near the extent that he goes to now where, like
I said, we are here on the other side of
an ocean talking about it, because it's been all the
fucking you know, heavy music community talk about for the
last week or so. I imagine that is sincerely, like
very upsetting and scary to go through. I don't think
there is any instance of you know, specific intent. For example,
he was going to an ended show. They have these
political songs, they have a you know, a black singer
as well, which is something that has been brought up
here in regards to, you know, kind of again diminishing
the political voice, as we say, of what's going on
there by going and dressing in a stupid fucking costume.
I doubt there's any element of that going through this
guy's head at all, because, as we established, he dresses
as his bananas go to every fucking show, you know
what I mean. But you know, like Death Grips stop
playing live for a while because people wouldn't stop wearing
fucking propeller hats and filming on three DS's. You know,
like this kind of weird content, grind irony culture has
permeated so much of the music landscape. I think when
you've got radical political songs, it's not the time to
dress silly. You know, like you have to read the
room a bit, you have to I think take the
art more seriously. I think you should let a subculture
be itself without diverting it into a me MEI me,
fucking clown show, you know what I mean. Like dance
by all means, that's what people do at hardcore shows,
but the clownshit is what sheepens the experience in the environment.
I do think that shame has a cultural purpose, essentially
to police this stuff and get people to stop doing
stupid shit. But do we want to open the Pandora's
box of inciting violence on people in the crowd.
Speaker 2: That's a different question.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is what's twicky about this, because I feel
like both of us are of the opinion that kind
of both things. We don't like either side of it. Obviously,
they're not like being a bit annoying, isn't you know,
equal to well assault essentially? Is it too far?
Speaker 2: Probably?
Speaker 3: Though, But it is interesting how this one has blown
up in a way that a lot of other similar
incidents haven't. Backlash wise, like when Draine Man calls for
people to jump on the rowers, everyone loves that.
Speaker 1: I think there's something particularly visceral to the guy having
essentially his outfit stripped off of him, you know what
I mean, and like he was, he was wearing clothes underneath.
And that's why when some people have said that this is
a sexual assault, I'm not entirely convinced of that. But
there is particularly a visceral nature to everyone dog piling
a guy to tear his clothes off of him.
Speaker 2: You know, that's true.
Speaker 3: It does conjure something more extreme, I guess. Yeah. It's funny.
When I knew we were going to talk about this,
I was like, how much could possibly get out of
something that I don't think I have that much of
an opinion on. No, I'm realizing, like, yeah, there's so
much to start dig in and sort of grapple with here.
Speaker 2: It is a very complicated subject.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have an answer. I don't particularly condone
what happened, but I don't I'm not gonna cancel end it,
you know, I'm like, get them kicked off campaign to
get them kicked off tours.
Speaker 2: I mean, they might have canceled themselves.
Speaker 1: We'll fucking get onto this in a second, but it
just you know, I'm going to quote another host here,
who's who put costume. Guys are annoying office nutters, and
I'm almost never pleased to see them. But if you're
on stage and you call upon an audience to attack
an individual in the crowd, you're a coward. And I
think that's fairly succinct. I don't think anyone's coming out
this particularly well. You're like, no one is covering themselves
in glory here, Like Banana Man is a lame loser,
and I feel bad saying that, considering the bad week
he's had you know already, But end It have incited,
as I say, you know, assault upon a random member
of the crowd, and they haven't even done it themselves.
You know, they've summoned the rest of the crowd to
do their dirty.
Speaker 2: Work for them.
Speaker 1: I think that you know this Banana SpongeBob hot Dog costume,
influencer culture at specifically again like subcultural countercultural shows like
hardcore should die. I think people should stop doing that.
But I regret that this person was targeted in this
way to make that point. I think that's a sad outcome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of being a lame loser as a crime, then
lock me up as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, get guilty as charge. Not the same kind of
lame loser, to be clear, but guilty as charge. And
then yeah, like I said, the fucking snowballing of this
is I'm not quite sure where this information has come from,
but it seems to be that there was a Hate
Breed tour Hate Breed with Life of Agony. People think
that end It were going to be announced as the
opening act on that bill, and they have now not
been included on that bill. So now we've got a
little like mini backlash going building up against Hate Breed
for supposedly removing end It from the tour in the
wake of this ongoing banana man, you know, discourse and
stuff people like that's not very hardcore. How would you,
you know, remove the band from from the bill for
this kind of thing. On the other side of that
there is, they might be deemed a liability right now,
like this is, this story has gained so much notoriety
in such a short space of time, you know, and
it does involve, as we say, like calls for violence.
You don't know what direction legally or whatever that might go,
the unwanted publicity or whatever. And then the latest development
as we are recording right now is end. It appears
to have deleted their Facebook page, and if you go
to where that was, it just comes up saying, you know,
this page is is not available. So it would be
fucking meant to have ended broke up and like you know,
combusted in a long line of like unflatteringly combusting hardcore
bands over stupid shit in recent years, you know what
I mean. I do hope that's not the case, because
this would feel like a particularly like you know, if
you're going to die on that, fucking die on it,
you know, like, don't disband over getting the blowback from you.
I don't know, it's just had. It's hard to say
where this one's going, but it is continuing to spiral
out of control. I think our position that we've come
to some agreement on is that the thing that incited
the frustration. Here is valid frustration, and we share it absolutely.
We are of the same position. But bit far lads,
come on, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: The punishment does not fit the crime.
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: Lots of new music and more announcements to get into.
I suppose we'll keep it in Harcore first of all,
because while that world's continues to stay dramatic, we have
got news. Just in the last come a couple of
you know, days or so. There is a new band
that is appearing under the name single Print Index, which
appears to be several members of the now currently as
we know, defunct Code Orange. Do not currently know which
members of Code Orange. I think we can take it
generally educated guests. That is the same members who have
been continuing to work together creatively in other projects recently,
and not for the other ones who have been going,
you know, in other directions. So I would imagine this
is at the very least Jamie and Shade. Perhaps we've
got you know, Dorm or one of the other members
involved in there as well, but members of Code Orange.
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 1: The band is called single Print Index. This appeared where
they are playing a show they are opening for a
band called Pain Clinic who recently members of Code Orange
have like you know, crossed over and done a little
bit of guesting and collabing with anyway. That show is
happening on June the twentieth, the first single print Index show.
It does say in little brackets underneath them, Code Orange.
So they are genuinely terming this as something of a like,
at least a you know who we are, We're continuing
kind of what we were before kind of vibe. But
there is also now in the last couple of hours,
a track that has appeared on their you know, general
sort of combined you know, Creative Universe YouTube channel, Recover
the Mindset, and like, yeah, if if you put this
on not knowing who it was, you would go, wow,
that really sounds like Code Orange, you know, like down
to Obviously Jamie's vocal is there, but the production that
kind of like dig hardcore style that they were really
leaning into, certainly around like Underneath for example, and onto,
you know, the heavier tracks of the above as well,
the mechanized crack on the drums and that churning guitar sound.
Speaker 2: It is. It does.
Speaker 1: It's the first thing they've done Postcode Orange that you
could genuinely go that sounds like Code Orange.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might as well be a called Orange song.
Like I think it's brilliant.
Speaker 2: It's like you.
Speaker 3: Say, it's got the sort of is that forever underneath
sort of even opens like multiple Corde Orange songs have
in the past. It's so good and it's got that
like I think like halfway through there's a proper like panteray,
like wuilling squalling riff that's really sick, and like, ah,
the breakdowns are great. The beatdown at the end is
so heavy it is funny, just like listening to this
and being like, oh shit, it's like they're never left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did think.
Speaker 1: I mean when you say that the intro sounds like
so many Code Orange songs before that, or like it
builds up and then there's like a sudden slip into
the up tempo when Jamie's scream comes in that that's
like the same trick they've pulled on, you know, like
Swallowing the rabbit Hole or countless other songs that it
does firmly click you back into like a ramping up
Code Orange intro kind of mode. It does feel the
fact that we're almost like referencing things they've done before
there as like you know what it sounds like, it's
I think it's stiffer. It's more straight ahead than Code Orange.
Maybe it's because they've done you know, Nowhere to Run,
where they've been going really all out on the kind
of experimental like electronic stuff, you know what I mean.
This is like this is for the mosh. This very
much feels like this is like the side of what
these guys creatively do for the hardcore fests, you know,
like this is us playing the kind of music that
we came up playing in the mid twenty tens, you
know what I mean, like fully immersing ourselves in these
hardcore environments in front of harkore crowds and stuff like that.
Like it is very much evoking the feel of how
these guys write hardcore music, which is like no other
you know, band in their scene of their generation. But
it is very very like within their world, it's very familiar,
you know what I mean. Like it's kind of it's
ahead of so many other bands. It's kind of nostalgic
from their point of view, right, Like it's very much
it's them throwing back to like, hey, remember Code Orange,
and it's weird to describing code Orange or you know,
a continuation of as nostalgic.
Speaker 3: It's sort of like last year all of us said
similar things about the Deftones record, like do you hear
lots of bands borrowing elements and trying to rip off
elements from the Death Dones and called orange, But when
you actually hear the people themselves doing it, you're like, ah,
there's juice here, there's something like you can't replicate this chemistry.
I get, well, we don't even know who's in the band,
but certainly Jamie you can't replicate him in the same way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it does feel very deliberate as a like,
you know, first track from this thing and the way
that we know that you know these guys. The first
singles from every album is always like there's there's a
statement that like there's been deliberately chosen, even if it's
been a standardone single like an out for Blood, you
know what I mean, Like there is a deliberateness to
the message that's been putting across here and like this
being called you know, it's them essentially starting a new
hardcore band after their last like generational hardcore band went
down in smoke with a lot of their audience turning
against creatively what they had done. There is something very
deliberate about like here's new track. It's called Recover the Mindset,
and like I haven't seen the full lyrics, but the
ones that I was, you know, like catching as it
was going by saying things like remember what's yours?
Speaker 2: Take it back by force? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like there is something in the lineage of like they're
particularly pointed Code Orange songs about the scene that they
are a part of Right Out for Blood is one
with the you know you were motherfucker, I am all
that stuff grooming my replacement from the above, which was
again one of the first tracks they released from that
wasn't it felt very much in that kind of worlds,
like almost like you guys are waiting for us to
fail so you can thrust up like the next new
big band to take our place, and then Code Orange
having you know, died a death and then coming back
with We're going to take it back by force. With this,
it's very like even though it is as we say,
it's kind of nostalgic in the tools of their own arsenal.
They are playing with it does feel very like pointed
and like it has a particular you know, purpose in
them putting this one out at this time, which I
think is always good coming from this camp. I think
maybe cynically you could say that this is almost like
what Code Orange fans who rejected the last couple of
records and just romanticize like forever I Am King or whatever,
like this is a track that is it is less
challenging to those you know, mosher sensibilities than what Code
Orange ended up doing, and so this could go down
a lot easier, I think. But as someone who's spent
you know, a lot of the last ten years whatever
listening to Code Orange, it does hit a like familiar
cozy spot for me, you know, like it does hit
that spot. The production is killer, the snare tone like
no one's done it like them since, as we say.
Speaker 3: Even the obnoxious sort of confidence. Yeah, lots of hardcore
bands have confidence and like bravado, But like you say,
the way Cold Orange do it is just so It's
so cozy, it's so nostalgic and comfy. I love hearing
it again. Yeah, even though yeah, I guess it does
sound like the type of song that purposefully ruffle feathers
with Yeah, with the mashers, But I think it is
a great track. I'm excited to see more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and obviously we will see if a
record or anything in the way of a single print
intex does come in the future. This is a cool announcement.
Burnt by the Sun have reunited, joining the ranks of
bands of that era and style. We are talking kind
of metalic hardcore of the nineties and early noughties, bands
like Botch and Dead Guy, who recently have you know,
reappeared and made waves again. But By the Sun are
back and their reinvigorated lineup features Bill Kelleher of course
of mastered on on guitars Mark. But By the Sun
are they one of those as just described the kind
of you know, the realm of band that they exist in.
I have like an affinity and enjoyment for burn by
the song. Are they one of those bands that you
have like passed by much?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, absolutely, They're not my favorite band, but they're great.
You know, just anything that is from the turn of
the century has a bit of mathcore and metalcore and
sometimes even like borders on groundcore once, like really extreme
hardcore music from the term of the century. I always
just love that and always like have a soft spot
for it. By the Son are really extreme for the era,
so they're a really cool band. I didn't even realize
like how long they've been away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really enjoyed, like you know that the first
EP by Burn with the Sun and like the first
couple of albums and stuff. I mean, they're all pretty good,
but like that's the real the sweet spot stuff. I
got into them, Like I remember, it's very appropriate the
announcement that's happened here because I remember I probably imagine
Bill from Mastard On citing them as like an influence
on some of the like you know, the more scrounky,
weirder like heavy you know, the Gnaria mastered on riffs
and stuff, right, But by of a sudden was a
band that was like thrown out there and I was like, oh,
that's cool. I got to check them out, and I
remember going and finding like the first EP and stuff
like that. They also have Dave Witter on the drums
from like Municipal Waste, Human Remains Discordant Access, like one
of those great multi purpose kind of extreme drummers.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: I mean, but with that in mind, like I said that,
they're the kind of band you know, say like today
is the Day and stuff like that where you can
envision them being part of that like late nineties sort
of millennial underground American scene where bands like Masterdon and
stuff were bubbling up and they were part of that framework.
And so there is a nice you know, full circle
happening here with them coming back with hey Bill from
Masterdon on guitars.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Obviously Bill has a full time gig right, very big
popular touring, literally releasing an album we spoke about a single,
you know, last week type band. So I don't know,
is this going to be, for example, a dead guy
situation where we like, hey, well here's new material and
then we're actually going to come back and be like
a full time band again. Or is it a botch
situation where they come back maybe a little bit material,
but they come back and play some shows and then
they go out again. I'm not sure. Obviously, I can't
imagine it's going to be. You know, they're kind of
you know, middle aged, old hardcore guy so a lot
of those bands do do a kind of part time
approach to it anyway, which is fine.
Speaker 2: Is cool.
Speaker 1: If you can come out and you know, put on
some sick shows and stuff, I would certainly I would welcome,
but mother some material, I would certainly welcome seeing them live.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like I love even just the press photo
of them. They just look like a cool bunch of lads,
especially with Bill there. Bill always looks fucking swag as hell. Yeah,
it's funny because these situations often do like poison the well,
like dead Guy. They do often become like live only
and then they decide, ah, fucking let's thinker about in
the studio. So who knows the kind of it starts
as a live only thing. Maybe we will hear a
record like and I'd be excited to hear it. Like
like you say, I never really two and two together before,
But you're right that sort of stronky to use your
word matter dom riff. It is really similar to like
I can see the influence now. So to have you
know that guy that will tell her in the band,
I'm sure if they were to go into the studio
there'll be some pretty cool riffs coming out of it.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I mean that guy is a fucking riff king.
Of course, we all know that, so yeah. I mean,
it's one more cool band in the world as of
this piece of news, So good news.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: There is a whole we've already spoken about the single
print Index track considerably already had a very busy week with.
Speaker 2: Them last week.
Speaker 1: There's a whole load of other single and albu announcements
and stuff that I suppose we are going to run
through as quick as we can here. First one that
I know many people will have been like long awaiting
is Unpeople, the UK rock band who have been kicking
around for about three years ish, I think, I think
if you go and look when they released their first track,
it was twenty twenty three, one of the most like
spoken about, hotly tipped bands from the UK rock underground,
I suppose they have finally announced their debut album. It's
called We Are Unpeople. It's coming out of October the
ninth via Sharp Tone Records, and they've along with this
announcement they put a track called Friends and Mark. I
don't remember if we, as in me and you together
have spoken about Unpeople before. I for a while have
been observing this and it's felt like a party that
I've not been invited to, you know, and then I've
been waiting for it to kind of, you know, leave
the station and go somewhere else. And it's just been
from where I've been sitting dragged out, like I've just
been hearing they're the best band. They're the best band
in the UK. They're the best band in the UK.
They're gonna blow up, They're gonna be huge. You get
about on the Unpeople train, They're gonna be huge, and
they they're gonna be the biggest.
Speaker 2: Band in the UK.
Speaker 1: They seem to play three sets at two thousand trees
every single year to hundreds of people who knew every
single word. And then I go, okay, cool, have you
got any records? And just crickets for fucking ages like
I've seen them once and that was like two years ago,
and fuck alls happened in that time, apart from more
of what I've just described to you. So my position
on this as an Unpeople agnostic just waiting for something
to happen is finally, this interminable prelude period will come
to an end and we can get an album and
actually properly talk about an Unpeople record, and I can
you know, make more of a personal decision or whatever
on my feelings on the band, whatever there, But that
is my observation of Unpeople, and that's why I'm very
happy to finally have an album announcement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very similar in that Unpeople should be a
band from all the talk you see and how people
talk about them and describe them. Should be a very
you know me, I should love this. I've always struggled
to connect with them. Really, I don't really know what
it is. I do feel is sort of exemplified my
feelings on this by the two songs they've put out,
which I think for this record of two singles which
I think are the best things they've done. The one
that came out the other day I think is the
best Unpeople song. But it's this thing with them I
have where it's like I listened to that song and
I'm like, oh, great, it reminds me of all these bands. Okay,
this is the Unpeople thing. I can get my head
around that. But then I listened to another on People
song and it's like, oh, this is just a whole
other different bunch of bands. I can't pin down the
Unpeople identity. I can't really figure out what their thing is.
But now with the latest two songs, they have choruses.
I like, where before where it was like, oh yeah,
I get, I get, this is a cool sound. They're
bringing in lots of cool ideas. That energy is there,
but there's no real identity. Plus the choruses aren't there.
I struggled with that, But now they like the songwriting
seems to evopt and there was a great confidence to them. So,
I mean, I was going to listen to the debut
album anyway because they're a very talked about, hyped band,
but I'm actually now quite excited to hear it because
I think they're finally releasing things.
Speaker 1: I like, Yeah, I could definitely imagine on People being
a band that you in particular would vibe with, because
I listened to this track and it's like bouncy riffing
and just sunny vibes, you know what I mean, which
I think is the flavor that they are going for.
What you were describing there, like is not like not
really being able to be together. What un People's like
musical thing is, you know. I think part of that
for me is the fact that it was just like
these scant singles released over like a period of years,
you know, and what I need an album in front
of me, a fully cohesive body of work to be like, Okay,
now from this, I can gauge what.
Speaker 2: Your dealers, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And that's why I've been like waiting to make up
my mind for what felt like a very very long time,
and like I've not really been able to make up
my mind from like just you know, one or two
songs that we've been out from this, but the fact
that we actually now a date for an album where finally,
like that you know, whole that waiting period can come
to an end, that I can dive into a record
and be like, Okay, cool, this is what you people are.
That is what I'm looking forward to. So October the ninth,
one of the most spoken about upcoming Deaily records of
the I imagine on People's record will finally be coming out.
We also have news of a new chat Pile record,
who are very regular these days. You know, I say
these days have not been going for that long, But
what I mean is like every two years we have
been very reliably getting a record, and every time they
are you know, very spoken about, very popular band right
now coming out of the underground. They have got their
new record which is called Who Loves the Sun. It's
coming out September the fourth. It's the follow up to
Cool World, which came out end of twenty twenty four.
Great record. There's a track from it called Deep Blue.
And I don't think they are judging from this single.
I don't think Chat Parlor a band right now who
are going to be moving too far from like outside
of their core sound, you know, And I think that's
a good thing. The core Chat Pile sort of cell
of like this is like God Flesh meets corn and
meets the Jesus Lizard kind of just like really like
lovepum smashing you over the head, noise rock with the
riff in this song has got this immediate, like dissonant
kind of dowurness to it, you know, Like I don't
think this song is a revelation in that, but if
you like Chat Pile, this is exactly what you're wanting
them to keep on doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there is slight I don't know, things that
remind me of other stuff I like that are teeny
tiny like evolutions or nice additions to the Chat Pile bleakness.
Like there's a bit halfway through with a proper like dissonant,
pinched harmonic laden riff that really reminds me of like
Domestica by Cursive, that kind of like there's a bit
of emoy in it. There's a bit of slint in it,
but I guess there is sometimes splint in the chat Pile.
But the thing that about them that I really like
what they do when they do and they do it
brilliantly on this song is when the song is just
so low, low end and blunt and like tar, and
then a clean vocal sort of meanders on top of
it and it creates this sort of like it doesn't fit,
you know, there is this uncandy valley sort of thing.
I really like that, and I really like the one
in this song. Like you say, it's not reinventing the wheel,
but chap Pil are great, right like, and no one
else sounds like Chackpile. I'll take another great chat Pile song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: The quote from the member of the band for this
song is he's described this as Chatpile doing a Billie
Squire song It's Our Lonely as the Night, which is
actually a fake Led Zeppelin song. So who the hell
knows what we're actually doing here. The answer is you're
just chatting because it doesn't sound like lonely as the
Knight does it your fucking maniacs. But there is a
little bit of melody in there, you know, so I
can see like in the confines of noisy horrible chat
pile shit. Yeah, it's a vaguely marmalogic song, but yeah, like,
I'm sure the record will be good because the track
is good. So that's coming out in September. Like they
knew that you would be rejoining me this week, Mark,
I saw this and I just had to put it
in for you. Electric cow Boy have linked up with
none other than The Offspring for a single called let
the Good Times Roll.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: This immediately confused me because I saw this was like, well,
don't the Offspring already have Let the Good Times Roll?
It isn't that already a fucking song?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And then I had to go back and I was like,
oh no, it's like the Bad Times role. But isn't
it confusing that like within I don't know, three four
years of their last record or whatever, that you know
that let the good Times roll, that the bad Times roll?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: What I mean, Like, it's very confusing to me.
Speaker 1: The offering immediately came out with a track like they
haven't already got that in their catalog.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I spent ages trying to figure out is
this a reference? But I think it's just a coincidence
that it's called that. Yeah, you know, I like this song.
It's a bit, it's a bit, I don't know. It's
a nice breezy thumper. It's got a nice bounce to it.
It's sound great at the festival. The second half of
the chorus with the woe does get a little too
radially for me. But also I'm like, yeah, but it's
electric cowboy, Why do you care about that mark? The
song is great, you're dancing along, you're having a laugh.
That's kind of enough for me. I do like it,
although when Dexter Holand comes in, there's so much processing
on his voice that he sounds like he's singing that
as through the ether, like he's like he's in the
TV and Portergeist. When he appears on the verse.
Speaker 1: My thought was excellent, the Mbre was a long time
ago like this. This feels like they're they're trying to
harken back to like, you know, Cruise in California will
hit that offspring through a more computerized like like what
you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Why I like it?
Speaker 1: You know, probably we don't normally, you know, I think
that trick Corby. I already about a couple singles from
this album, like the eighth single, I know, but I
just saw that link up and I was like, what
am I gonna do? Not get Mark to talk about?
So that's gonna be from track Corboy's records Tans Needs,
which has coming out in August. It keeps going on,
the good times, keep rolling on. Viewing Mouth have announced
their new album called The Ringing Bell, which has a
fucking sick cover art. It's one of those like that
if you've seen it, it's like one of those just
like late Night Midnight I've stumbled into and taken a
photograph of a church on my phone, like one of
those type images, but with their logo on it. It looks
super fucking cool and has a track called a Blaze
of Nihilism. But the real partner's headline that turns the
heads is that they have been joined on this album
in their lineup by Jay Weinberg, who I suppose has,
you know, he obviously he was out of Slipknot then
I suppose he must have finished his like you know,
community allotted time playing in suicidal tendencies, which everyone does.
But now he's joining a you know, obviously someone who
is a big name has spent time in literally some
of the biggest bands in our world, joining a relatively
small like death metal, cume hardcore band and ripping out
a HM two rager like this, that's just pretty fucking
cool for febing wealth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, good for them. Also, like Jay is putting
in some work, Like even from the intro of this song,
you're like, fucking hell, this lad is hitting hard as
he always does, but like, yeah, this is sick. Like
it's nice hearing him play on something so like death metal,
like actually death metally yeah, and with that tone like
two yeah, oh yeah, the chainsaw on it really goes.
But something else I love about the song is like
when the clean guitar solo comes in and it's like
so not HM two coded. You know, you never hear
a guitar that sort of sol ring in a song
this scuzzy and fun. I thought that was a really
nice touch as well.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a bit female mouth of kind of like
on their last record they've kind of played somewhat in
those sort of capacities, doing more like melodic league guitars
and you know, bit Gothy Doo or whatever.
Speaker 2: Kind of influence.
Speaker 1: I think, Like I've thought Femalew for a while are
like a decent band. They're not one of my favorites
to have come out of this whole HM two type wave,
but it's nice to have someone doing it. And the
breakdown part towards the end of this, when Jay is
like hammering on the ride symbol is like tough, you
know what I mean. It's just a get a cool
headline and yeah, a good record that I imagine we'll
be coming out in July when the Ringing Bell comes out.
We had two this week too, surprise EP drops from
bands within the metal underground that will quickly with through
as well. Iron Reagan have put out a thin nine
or ten minute EP six songs in that time called
Demonetization and Iron Reagan. You you know you may remember
Cross Ever, thrash band from the twenty ten's, primarily featuring
members of Municipal Ways about some other bands they went
away for like a good period, like they were inactive
like after COVID, but they've recently got back together, started
playing shows. They got the original lineup of Iron Raking
back together, and this is the first music they've put
out like since the twenty tenths basically, and the first
music with that original lineup. It's like their first record.
So that's why it's like, oh cool, I had reagnaback
and yeah I put this on and Tony Forest's voice
on like one to two minute songs, I'm home, that's
a happy place for me. I love in you know,
the tackle track demonetization, if that is a kind of
comment on just the general sort of like horrible grind
hustle culture that we currently live in, which feels like
a very cross flover thrash, you know, politically savvy thing
to be commenting on the chorus of Demonetization, The Devil
wears a suit and tie just sounds fucking cool coming
out of Tony's mouth. And that's enough of me for this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is sick. I didn't realize they've been away that.
Speaker 2: Long, but yeah, last record was twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: Fuck me, that's no, Oh my god. Well we're all
that this is great man. Like like you say, it's
nine to ten minutes. I've listened to it twice in
a row. I went for a walk and it was
really motivating me. It's just nice to have that, like
I don't know crossover thrash, two step to power you along.
I don't have much like you know in depth analysis.
It's just like parts are known as a banger. God
don't like it as a banger. These are great, like
fun songs. And like you say, he just just hear
him Tony's voice. I just love hearing him spit like
it's so good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a song featuring the band hagus Who.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you are familiar with Haggis. They
are like the one of the pivotal bands at the
moment in a very niche subgenre of gorgrind called mincecore.
I enjoyed seeing them feature on this. I thought that
half I'll have to give it another listen to really
pick it out more. I was expecting halfway through that
song to get a full gorgrind poop vocal, you know,
based on that feature, And unless I went completely fucking
death during the duration that song, that didn't hit me
and I was surprised by that fun EP though. And luckily,
if we were lacking for poop there and if we
were needing poop, we were also just hit with a
surprise EP drop from Devourment. The Gods of Slam arguably
the originators of that particular niche subgenre of brutal death metal,
one of the most as I say, legendary bands in
the brutal death metal world. Their last album Obscene Majesty
from twenty nineteen, and this is their first music since then,
so again a good seven years, you know, without means
of development that last record. Considering, as I say, their
record like my lesting of the Capiteta from the nineties,
I was like, you know, really pioneering records. Legitimately could
be their best record ever, which in turn could also
make it one of the best slam records of all time.
That production coming back on this EP where this feels
like a continuation of Obscene Majesty era development.
Speaker 2: Just a beautiful sound. It's so heavy.
Speaker 3: Mate, this is absolute key. I obviously Majesty is the
best brutal death metal album. I don't care. Is fucking
jaw droppingly heavy. It is so it's almost comical, how
heavy it is. I love that record and yeah, just
even like it's the simple things hearing those really fucked
up sub drops back Oh I'm Home.
Speaker 1: But also like a way to mix sub drops and
have them still feel kind of organic, you know, when
there are some records we complained about recently, we're bands
doing stuff like that, and it clipping the next of
these kind of things like this is this is how
a sub drop should hit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these subdrops have such a specific like they feel
like a wave of sewage washing over you. Like it
feels it feels like a wave, you know. It's it's
so stinky, it's so horrid and grown. The songs are indistinguishable,
but god it's good.
Speaker 1: Absolutely killer drum performance as well. The fucking swings all
over the place. And at the very end of the EP,
like the final bit of the third track, it's just
this mental snare bit snare goes genuinely hysterical, like it's
so funny, how ridiculous the drugs sound, but it's so cool.
Speaker 3: Two track two has a really fucked up, like continuous
dive bomb section where the authority of them on top
of each other.
Speaker 1: It's so sick Yeah, Magicy is a fucking brilliant record
and this EP is just an extra dose from that
beautiful full development business. And so yeah, a double surprise
EP dropped from us there from the world of underground metal.
Not mad about either of them, and with all of
those new tracks taken into account, we also know that
as this show goes out, it looks like there is
going to be new Cult of Luna.
Speaker 2: So we will be.
Speaker 1: Here next week to see if there is a Cult
of Luna album announcement or something of the sort, which
would be beautiful if that were so, wouldn't it ye?
But does look like this time tomorrow now if you're
hearing this, there is going to be Cult of Luna
out as well. Awesome handful of show announcements to bring
our news section to a close. Knocked Loose, who had
already announced they were doing some like off date shows
from their tour Metallica doing a few headline shows in
the UK. There was one city that was conspicuously missing
from that, that being Manchester, and it turns out that's
because Outbreak have somehow looped them in to perform the
after show to the Friday of Outbreaks. So the Friday
of that break is the all emo day. It's the
day at the front bottoms and bouncy composure and Tigers
Draw and those type bands are playing. Knocked Loose are
playing the Albert Hall in Manchester, doors at midnight, at
half midnight on like early Saturday morning, essentially going through
into you know, the the Appsolute Dead of Night. A
lip Critic are going to be supporting as well. Who
are another band who are playing on the outbreak bill?
Speaker 2: This confuses me.
Speaker 1: It's listed as like a no barrier type show right
at the Albert Hall in Manchester. We've been to the
Albohl together Marke. It's the venue where we saw blooding
Hantation last year. It's the one. It's the one that's
like the inside of a converted church almost with the
sting glass windows, which is fucking cool for not lose
considering the whole church, like you know, aesthetic of the
last record and stuff. But how the fucking have a
no barrier show in there? The stage is really tall,
like it's so high. The stage is as tall as me,
Like I have trouble climbing up onto the regular outbreakstaste
enough that was like twice as tall.
Speaker 2: No one's going to be able to get up there.
Speaker 3: It's as tall as a banana guy.
Speaker 2: It's fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So I'm not quite sure how the whole no barrier
stage diving type setup might work in that particular venue.
But great venue and obviously a hell of a get
to get not Loose the play a big late night
after show. I'm going to be heading into you know
the city for Outbreak on you know, the Friday night.
Speaker 2: And I looked at this and I was like, do I.
Speaker 1: Arrive into town and snag a ticket to go see
the really late night not loose show? And then I
pulled it up and it said ends at four point
thirty and I was like, I'm gonna go to Best
considering there's a full there's like a there's like an
Outbreak run that some people have signed up to at
like eight or nine am the following day as well,
like some kind of sponsored run. It's like if you
if you're doing that and then have also snagged a
you know, three am whatever, it might end.
Speaker 2: Up not lose ticket. That is brutal.
Speaker 1: There is a full day as obviously a festival to follow,
but the cheeky, very late night mosh from Not Loose
at the Albert Hall is going to be an event
to remember. Absolutely oath Breaker around so they have played
road Burn, they will be playing up Tangent. I believe
they have now also played prepared the Ground Festival, which
is the one in Toronto. If you are really still
wanting to see them play their current raya run that
they have been doing and you're not at any of
those things I've just mentioned, there are five European headline
club shows that have been announced. The first like actual
headline your oath Breaker only shows that have been announce
since their return in Paris, Cologne, Berlin, Carlsruhe and Ghent,
so all in you know the Germany, France, Belgium area
known in the UK right now obviously I imagine that
Tangent is the UK exclusive there. But if you are
really you know, wanting to go out of your way
to go see Oathbreaker, those shows are happening in December.
Portrayaler Guilt are supporting on that as well.
Speaker 2: Here in the UK.
Speaker 1: This is a pretty crazy announcement. There is a headline
tour co headline tour. I guess perhaps one band is
this to supporting the other I'm not sure. Basically Soulflyer,
nail Bomber touring together in the UK, which is going
to be happening in September in Southampton, London, Birmingham, Glasgow
and Manchester. Soulfly build you know at the top of that,
But that does obviously that means double Max. That's a
hell of a hell of a workload for the man.
That's a big, big commitment to be doing it all,
all of that in one night. But nail Bomb they're
in the UK show they played since the like you know,
Reactivation was the Bloodstock one last year. And then you
get a cheeky sulfly set afterwards with you know, presumably
maybe even some sepultury classics. As a selfly has was
often done, this has potential to be a full on
night of Max Mayhem.
Speaker 3: Yeah take me there sounds sick like sign me up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. Sorry, No, you guys.
Speaker 3: Is in that category of man like Shane Henbury, where
I'm like, I just always assume he's playing two sets
at night. He's just in a million bands.
Speaker 2: It's back to back. There's no band building between them.
Speaker 3: Damn Warrior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you want to see nail Bomb and
some selfly action as well. That's coming around and over
in the US, Whitechapel have announced a twentieth anniversary tour
for their band. Overall, a big milestone for a band
such as their's, you know, emerging in the twentieth twenty
first century, and it's a very death Cory Bill dialing
it back as well, with Chelsea Grinn, the Acasia Strain and.
Speaker 2: Nether Walker all coming together.
Speaker 1: So death coret warriors out there over in the US
twentiethnniversary Whitechapel tour with those bands in tow very good
over on the that's Patreon this week. We are in
the coming days, like in a few days time from
when you are currently hearing this, if you're listening to
it on the day, we are going to be putting
together and putting out the third part of our Corn
Band Special, where we are dialing into the late two
thousand's and the very beginning of the twenty tens, which
if you are up on your corn knowledge you know
that means a fascinating little run of albums. So I
won't go too big on the cell here this time,
but that is what we have got coming up in
the immediate future in a few days time. Corn Part
three webwb wobwb we indeed right, let us end today's
show with the release roundup for the twelfth of June.
And I've got a lot of names written down here.
It doesn't feel like there's too many, like really big names,
but it's a very populated list. Like, so, whatever you're into,
whatever corner of the tea world that you're coming from,
there is likely a band here or release here that
you might be interested in checking it out.
Speaker 2: So let us go through these.
Speaker 1: First of all, Sublime are back with their you know,
their first record in Forever, also their final record the
you know, current livelineup of Sublime. We had this announced
a while ago. Their album Until the Sun Explodes the
kind of I suppose you could treat this sort of
a Sublime epitaph. I suppose that record is out. Sleeping
with Sirens have also got an album out, the post
hardcore staples with that or for Worse from the late
northeas into the twenty tens and ending in itself is
that Pussy Riot, the like political Russian punk band. They
released a track featuring even sevenfold like a week or
two ago and it was I'm gonna say not good,
but it was out there. Their album is called c
y Ka. The album is out. Yes are back the
seventies procker rock legends. This is like their twenty fourth
album or something. I'll shock you. I have not heard
all twenty four, but if you are a Yes Warrior,
I bet Elliott has Their album Aurora is out. Continuing
on the high establishment names here, Tire is back, of course,
the former Nightwish singer her album Free Song Noir. Will
it be as good as her last album, which was
her metal Christmas album?
Speaker 2: I cannot say right now, I sure hope.
Speaker 1: So Swiss Army Wife this is a band that I
had kind of forgotten about and forgotten existed. But we
reviewed this band a couple of years ago. They were
an emo band and so we had one of their
albums on the show. So if you enjoyed that Swiss
Army Wife record from when we spoke about that, I
presume a follow up to that, called I Love You
But I Hate It Here is out. Then we have
Kennis their self titled record, one of the great current
heavy metal, epic doom type bands. Looking forward to getting
my teeth into that one. Joseph Thole, who is one
of the guitarists in Tribulation, has played in several like
Swedish heavy metal bands. He's got a solo album of
kind of you know, a mixture of all sorts of
metal and rock and roll, the type stuff called it
might be art then in the kind of techy like
futuristic prog thrash like think Voivode, that kind of stuff.
Nuclear Tomb are a band who have emerged in that
kind of realm in recent years and their record Epoch
Inhumane is Out. Genghis Tron the former cyber Grinders who
these days have evolved in something maybe a little bit
more meditative. They are back with Signal Fire in the
post rock world. One of the biggest names in that
world Mono, the Japanese post rock band. They have got
their album called Snowdrop into kind of experimental noise, you know,
sludge type territory. Big Brave have got in Grief or
in Hope. We move into the death metal world, and
first of all there we've got flesh Crawl, one of
those longgoing veteran bands from the nineties. Flesh Crawl from
Europe epitome of carnage, is their's into a more sort
of like modern clean melo death like melodic death metal
kind of realm a boank called Fires in the Distance
and their album's Circadian promise, and then we go over
to Japan for some Japanese death metal from Defiled and
Altered State in the black Metal Realm. One of the
big releases of the year I think for this genre
comes out today. It's from storm Keep, featuring Isaac from
Blooding Cantation and Wayfarer and other such bands. The second
full length storm Keep album called The Nocturns of Iswelin
going to be very intrigued to see what the consensus
on that one turns out. Being Veyamont's, the medieval epic
French black metal band who we have spoken about again
some years back on the show. They have got out
an album called ascierg which is a full re recording
of their debut album. Their debut album is the one
of theirs that hasn't been available in streaming or whatever,
and for whatever reason they decided to revamp and maybe
bring out some more elements of those compositions. But rerecording
of the debut Veyamont's album is out in the German
black metal scene. There's a band called fion Esque with Eosa.
Then into EPs we have called had the double of
surprise EPs. We had dropped on us this week, so
we had Iron Reagan with Demonetization, which is the crossover
thrash band featuring members of Municipal Waste. And we had Devourments,
the slam brutal death metal ogs with Pious Impiety. Finally
on the EPs front, we have Still Remains. I've got
another one out called spirit Breaker.
Speaker 3: They played a at that show. They played a new song,
then announced it as a new song, and then the
most disgusting two five synth starters.
Speaker 2: Yes we're back boys, Okay.
Speaker 1: I hope that you find that track on this thing.
And then there is a split from the veteran Brazilian
black metal band Mystifier and the newer UK black metal
band craven Idol. But those two have got a split
together called Demystification of the Fallen Soul. So pick whichever
sings to you the most out of those and go
and enjoy them this weekend. Cheers everybody for listening. I
presume they won't be hearing this because they're all in
a field right now. But anyone who's at download this weekend,
I hope that you enjoy and have a good old time.
We're not, but you know that is happening this weekend
and everybody can go.
Speaker 2: Crazy at that one.
Speaker 1: We will be back next week with more of this action.
As I said, We've got Corn Part three coming to
the Patrum very soon, and then before the end of
the month, we'll have more reviews bag as well to
dive into what our favorite records from this month are.
But cheers everybody for listening to this one. Let us
know what your thoughts are on the whole Bananagate scenario
that we spent the first like half of this show
talking about, because that is of course the story of
the week. But lot's a great new music as well,
not to excite the announcements, so good stuff. Cheers everybody,
Bye bye,