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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody. Welcome to That's Not Metal. We are your

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weekly heavy music podcast, and welcome here to addition to Hyperblasts,

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where we come at you every Friday with the week's

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news and going's on. We let you know what we

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make of the stuff that's been going on and boys

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that particularly spicy this week. I suppose we also hit

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you up at the end of it with a list

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of the week's releases that you may want to check out.

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Everything under the banners of rock, heavy metal, hardcore, etc.

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Let's get into all of that. My name is Paren

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Hish and joining me as you have been of late

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on these Hyperblasts.

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Speaker 2: Mark Sanderson is across me. How you're doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm all right, mate, I've not had an eventful week.

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I saw the back rooms yesterday. That was pretty you

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made it out. You didn't get lost. I didn't get lost.

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Picture of this mate, whatever space was liminal? Did you

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imagine that? Pretty fucked up? I could barely fathom.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a pretty good week.

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Speaker 1: I continued on from last week's Live Black Metal Antics

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because last weekend, the last weeks show, I was talking

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about going to Fortress Festival, all the good stuff going

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on there swiftly following on from that, this week I

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went to see the debut UK show of Ebony Pendant,

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which is a band who in the last like kind

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of five six years, like in the twenties, really have

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been one of your one of the sort of again

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the underground, upcoming sort of names, like they've done splits

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with Lampa, Murmur and some of these type bands and

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then from the US, and like I said, they've did

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I think they did two UK shows this week and

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the one in Manchester was the first one and I

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went on that and that.

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Speaker 2: Was very cool.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed them very much. Lots of you know, big

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capes that kind of vibe, but you know, pretty straightforward

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traditional black metal, but they play it really well. They've

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got some sick riffs. I'm waiting to see if I've

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been cursed because it was it was a strange follow

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me on this. There was a strange little support bill

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for this ever dependant show, which included two noise acts

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and then the other black metal band on the bill

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was literally a one man band with him just playing

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guitar and like the rest of it on like you know,

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programmed drums and stuff like that. But it completely fucking

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fell apart and went to shit. It was kind of

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a name like it was. It was a bit of

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a calamity every dependent likes. That was really good. But

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one of the two noise acts who was playing is

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an act called Absolute Key from Finland, which I think

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is a great name. Absolute Key sounds like you're describing

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something that's particularly great. And you know, we often talk

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about jingling keys in a like, you know, kind of

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keep people entertained, entertained the babies type way. This was

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literally a guy jingling keys into a microphone to a

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start off this like harsh noise set, but to all

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the end of his set, he he got a like

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a book out and was ripping pages out of this

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book and throwing them at like the people in the

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front row of the audience. And one of these pages

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like landed at my feet, so I picked it up

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and the words were like entirely in finish, which so

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I cannot even begin to pass what it might say

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on it, and then scrawled like over the text. It

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was like a drawn like red occult symbol, so it

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looked like something like the Evil Dead or something like that.

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And I like, I touched this page just into my pocket,

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and I was like, that's a spookult item, isn't it.

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But I'm I'm waiting to see you basically if I

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get like drag me to held you know what I mean,

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Like because I'm holding the cursed item.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's good luck. Have you flipped of coin

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since maybe I'll be heads all the way?

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Speaker 1: No, No, I haven't, but I trust it would be

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absolutely key if I do.

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Speaker 2: So that was my week.

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Speaker 1: It might maybe by the end of it I will

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have like, you know, spontaneously combusted or fucking fallen down

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a manhole or something. The lammia will have claimed me.

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Speaker 2: But there we go.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into the week's news, and it's we've got

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a lot to get through. It's not very often that

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the absolute biggest story, like the story that everyone here

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will be aware of, that has dominated the week's discussion

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in a way that honestly, only a few stories a

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year dominate their you know, respective weeks of discussion revolves

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around around man in a banana costume. It's very very

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rare that such a thing occurs. But here we go.

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Like I said, it's the biggest story that's been going

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around that everyone's having their their say on, so we're

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gonna stop and have ours. I suppose what you might

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roughly call Banana Mangate Banana Gates end it the hardcore

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band who released a like pretty decent album last year.

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I feel like it was well liked, it was pretty

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you know, went down pretty well. In that scene, they

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were playing a show in Toronto this week and a

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man in the front row who was wearing one of

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those full body banana costumes they singled him out, said

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something on the lines of like, hey, you'd be looking

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for attention by you know, wearing this big banana costume.

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Now you've got it, and summoned the rest of the

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crowd basically to rip the banana costume off of this

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man in question. And this happened at like the weekend.

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We are now, you know, basically entering into the follow

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up weekend, and this fucking discourse machine is still it's

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still going, it's still powering forward. Like I said, everybody

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here I'm sure knows and has heard this story. It's

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the fallout from it that I suppose we are going

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to try and wade into a little bit. And it

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is still going, still developing. But I suppose let's approach

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this in stages, because I think there are kind of

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levels of this to get through. It has genuinely split

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the certainly the internet, but the hardcore community areas you know,

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adjacent looking into the hardcore community as well, Like very

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few things I can remember, to be honest, you know,

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summoning these strong reactions either you know, for or against,

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going both ways. So let's try and get to the

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bottom of this. As I said, approach us in stages.

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First of all, so before we get to maybe the

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severity of the incident and what kind of you know,

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developed there, what happened to the banana man we will

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address in a minute, But first, putting aside the way

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that this you know turned possibly nasty, let's discuss banana

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men overall. And by banana men we mean anyone who

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is wearing you know, a similar goofy you know, over

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the top, you know, daft festival type costumes to a show.

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Because this is obviously something that people feel strongly about.

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this video went out, many people were celebrating essentially the

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you know, de bananaing of the the unpeeling of the

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bananaman and it's something that feel people feel very strongly about,

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Like people have almost in built or built up resentment. Yeah,

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you know, a real frustration with these you know this

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this kind of species of person basically at particularly let's say,

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underground shows, like a hardcore show. So when this happened,

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people were like, yeah, fucking get them a lot of

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the time. So let's try and get into that.

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Speaker 2: A little bit.

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Speaker 1: What is your immediate gut response to, as I say,

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not what actually happened to the banana man in question

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here we all addressed that in a moment, but just

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the the phenomenon of these silly characters appearing at small,

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underwearing hardcore shows and stuff.

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Speaker 3: Like that gut feeling that's a bit annoying. Like I

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don't have the full on, like frothing at the mouth

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hatred for this sort of stuff. I just find it

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disruptive and annoying, like when those guys were doing the

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magic the gathering shit, yeah a few years ago. It's

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just like I hate the term main character syndrome, but

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it's that it's tapping into that sort of just like

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you're making the whole show about you, well done, like

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what do you what do you want to pat on

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the head is just like and it is a big

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part of it is where it's turning up so a

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little like hardcore show in a club or something that's

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so much different than like, fuck yeah, do this that

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steps show in an area?

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Speaker 2: Fuck it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's stupid.

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Speaker 2: It steps.

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Speaker 3: I like Steps a lot, but you know, you know

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what I mean. The venue in which they're choosing to

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be a banana is incongrugous congregou yes, is just a

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bit like what is the point in this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I I think that's a huge part of it. I am,

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in principle anti banana man, not necessarily you know, this

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specific banana man in you know, uh as his whole

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situation unfolded. But the wider athlete, the archetype, the type

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of guy that is the banana man at the show, which,

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as you've identified, is broader than literally just bananas. I

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was thinking, you know, other fucking I'm wearing a SpongeBob costume,

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I'm wearing a hot dog costume, I'm playing magic, the

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gathering in the I'm filming the show on my three ds.

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You know, any of these like weird chronically online attention seeking,

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you know, behaviors at shows. This is what we are roughly.

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in this scenario for this kind of behavior.

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Speaker 3: It also applies to like the people who'd go on

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stage to take selfies. Yeah, that thing, just anyone who

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disrupts a show, to.

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Speaker 1: Make sure, because that's the reason people don't like it. It's

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the attention seeking, self centering.

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Speaker 2: Haha, look at me.

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Speaker 1: Isn't this I don't know, this show we're in, isn't

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this more fun and wacky because I am here dressed

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in this way? You know, I do think you know

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that there are points where people say it's not disruptive

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to a show. Fundamentally, there is an element of the

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banana costume particularly is fucking tall and has a big

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like you know, stalk sticking out the head of it.

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So it's it's not fun to stand behind banana man

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a show like he is genuinely disrupting your view of

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the show. And like, you know, if you're just a

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tall person, like I'm a fairly tall person, there's not

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you know, you can do your best to maneuver yourself,

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but you can't change you know, how your height or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But if you are.

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Speaker 1: Literally turning up to a show artificially inflating your height

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by like a foot or something because you're wearing a

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stupid fucking banana costume.

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Speaker 2: Is that genuine?

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Speaker 1: Like, is that adding enough to the experience to warrant

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annoying someone, you know, obstructing a view in that way?

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I completely agree that there is a totally different set

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of kind of etiquette going on here to like a

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outdoor fest, even a big arena show. But I recall

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a machine head at Bloodstock last year. I believe I

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remember correctly that there was you know, Rob Flynn being

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a character who on stage or like you know, he'll

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point people out in the crowd and stuff like that

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and have a bit of back and forth with them

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in a very fun you're like, oh, we're all here

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having a beer kind of way, you know what I mean.

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I recall at Bloodstot last year they're being a banana

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man in the crowd and Roblin was like, come on,

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banana man, come up on you thrown in pikes or whatever,

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and like yeah, at a big festival, particularly like a

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camping festival, where there's a certain air of like throw

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off the laws of like everyday life and you can

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Speaker 3: It's mad Max out there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that is a totally different thing to

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a small club show. If you're getting on the fucking

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bus or the tube to go to a small venue,

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either you know, wearing the banana costume or you've tucked

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it away in your bag or something to you know,

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put on at the venue to go and see applic

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in this case relevant to point out a politically minded

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hardcore band that is a totally different like banana man.

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Like I say, a festival, do not give a shit, right,

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I wouldn't do it, But I'm not gonna in no

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way I'm upset to see those people in that environment.

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one person in a banana costume is like visible to

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everybody in the room, yes, then there might be a problem.

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And as we've said here, there is a major I

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be taken into play here. And I think that the

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people who are you really like within the hardcore world,

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who have taken so much like umbrage with these type

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people appearing in their shows, this is kind of the

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mindset there. I'm about to say something that I think,

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you know, has the potential to come off as really pretentious,

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but I think fundamentally there is there is truth in it. Music,

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and specifically subcultural music that is outside of the mainstream

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that develop its own home and community, right is a

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underground countercultural art form, and I think everyone would enjoy

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that more and get more out of it if we

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just took that more seriously, you know what I mean,

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Like there was there's been kind of you know, some

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of the comments flying back the other way talking about

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basically people like policing what people wear.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, are you talk of such a

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big game of being like an anti police, anti cop,

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you know, fucking subculture where then you come out and

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you want everyone to perform to a certain way of

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appearing and you don't want to, you know, trying to

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police what people wear whatever. I think part of the

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appeal of a subculture, a musical subculture, is immersing yourself

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in its environment, and I think it does cheapen it.

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You know, if you add this like real clownishness into

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that mix, like it it mars what you are taking in.

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You know, if you are going to like, if you

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imagine like a fucking eighties goth show, right, if you like,

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dial your mind back, go in a time machine, You're

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going to see season the Banshees or Christian Death or

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something in the eighties, and there's a guy in a

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fucking banana costume. Like that is not the vibe that

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you want for that vision that that subculture took itself seriously.

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We don't have as much as this problem in like

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black metal shows, for example, because that subculture does take

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itself and you know, has a certain air air around it,

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but it would be the same thing, but like, what

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the fuck are you doing? Like this is not the

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vibe for this, And yeah, a counterculture that has a

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right to take itself seriously. I think there are people

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who are like, why are you taking it so seriously?

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Speaker 2: But as a.

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Speaker 1: Countercultural art form, there is a certain level of like

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this is something that has drawn us all together, you

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know what I mean, And this has its own you know,

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kind of esthetic and its own texture, you know. Turning

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that into the attention seeking clown show is something that

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I personally I bounce off of, Like I am repulsed

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by that idea, Like I genuinely am and I think

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people you romanticize like old vintage hardcore clips like you

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can pull up like his Agnostic Throat or Earth Crisis

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or something playing in X venue in X year in

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the eighties or nineties, and you watch this and it's

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like an awe inspiring document of like this culture, you know,

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because there's no fucking banana meen in there. There's no

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one playing magic, the gathering in the pit, there's no

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one filming on a free DS.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: This is a similar thing to when recently, or you know,

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a year or two ago, there was an instant where

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the band Drain called out people who were doing one

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of the rowing pits right because the rowing pit, like

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I say, in the right environment, if you're watching a

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mono math doing the song that they specifically wrote because

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of the phenomenon of rowing pits, like, yeah, that's the

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place to do it, but don't do it a fucking

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Drain show, you know what I mean. There is a

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element of performative, self centering, forced fun that I think

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actually sucks some of the authenticity of the subculture and

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what it's kind of trying to stand for out of

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the show. You know what I mean, and like I said,

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I think there are people who will be like, why

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you taking it so seriously? That's a really pretentious viewpoint,

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but I think that's part of what gives this music

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and these kind of shows power.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you think hardcore specifically, so much of

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hardcore is rallying. It's about all being you know, as one, uniting,

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you know, being there for each other, rebelling against something

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bigger than you. If you're taking something that's supposed to

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be this is all of us, we're all one, and

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being like, oh look at me, I'm dressed as a

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melon or whatever. That's just not You're not part of this.

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You're not taking not that you're taking it seriously because

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there's a gig. It's supposed to be fun. You're supposed

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to you know, have fun at it. But it is

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a bit you know, you're detracting from the actual message,

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in the actual vibe of this by being like me, me, me, me, me,

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look at my tiktoks, follow me on Instagram. Fuck off

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with that is so annoying. And sure if you because

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I've seen people you know, sort of argue against that

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and be like, oh, it's just music. It's not that serious.

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Let's just take it just like you know, time and place.

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Let's argue that, like you say, this is festival shit.

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You wouldn't take a lawn chair and a chili dog

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to a trash talk show like you went.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't dress as a banana go into a fucking

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art gallery, no.

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Speaker 3: Ah, exactly. It's I don't know. It's lame, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's just lame.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know the I believe the guy in question

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because there was a response you know, that he put

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on Instagram afterwards. He appears to have some kind of

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Instagram account where he's like regularly wearing this banana costume

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to like lots of shows and you do, you man,

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But it just kind of sucks, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Like it?

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Speaker 1: It's just like it's just not cool. And I think

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it is, like you're kind of putting forward there. I

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think it is a little demeaning to the actual art

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in question. And that's clearly why a band like end It,

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who are, as we said, you know, trying to get

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across some serious shit within their songs, right when there

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is something distracting from that in such a just sort

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of like read the rum type way. You know that

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clearly would be really fucking annoying. And I completely agree

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that it does. I say it kind of it sucks

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some of the the air of being like, oh, I

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am immersed in at this show and its environment, in

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its community. Some of that is, even if it's just

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a tiny bit, you know, yeah, he's not actually hurting anyone,

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but even if it's just a tiny bit, some of

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that atmosphere of that is, you know, it wavers because

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of the person doing the stupid fucking you know, social

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media clout shit in the pit, you know what I mean.

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And I do think that there is an element of

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a subculture like hardcore has its own community and its

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own practices and for decades, right, it's been around for

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a long time now, and it's wavered, a lot of weathered,

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a lot of different you know, eras there is an

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element of it has to police itself against kind of

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outside cheapification, you know, for its cultures and its values

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to survive in any seriousness, like, it has to enforce

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these kind of values or it ceases to be. And

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I know that sounds like really high and mighty and

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really gatekeeping. When the specific incident we're talking about is

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just a guy in a banana costume who's not actually

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hurting anyone, But that is the principle that is being

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kind of you know, put forward here that people. That's

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why people are so like vigorously against a you know,

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a banana man at a hardware show, you know what

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I mean. And you are seeing so many people rally

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to the cause of, like, let's keep this goofy shit

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out of hardcore because if your crowd ceases to have

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any meaningful difference with that you know, big festival crowd

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where people are you know, behaving and present themselves in

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that kind of way, then what space are you actually

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playing to, you know, when you're in your own hardcore space.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the fact that he's a serial banana I don't

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know if that makes him more annoying. I think it does.

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The fact that this is a thing he does at

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every show does sort of rub me up the wrong way.

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It's like, do you even like punk or do you

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just like being a quirky, jungus wacky guy on Instagram?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we're saying.

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Speaker 1: All of this, and I think if anyone is listening

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and is you know, took great offense to what happened

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at that show on the behalf of the Banana Man.

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You might be listening to us right now and thinking

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that we are, you know, adding our voices to the

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chorus of those who are like, yeah, fuck the Banana Man.

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That guy deserves everything that came his way. I think

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I'm trying to speak more to and voice the the

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you know, the attitude and the principle that has led

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people to be so as I say, you know, vehemently

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anti Banana Man and all that stuff, because I am

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one hundred percent with it in that way, I agree,

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but all of that kind of high minded, subcultural theorizing

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in reality, whether you agree with that or not. There's

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also the element that what happened here was assault, you know,

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and there has been lots of debate, you know, again,

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as is part of the steam rolling, you know, snowballing

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element of this discourse, lots of debate over the last

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week or so about the level of seriousness of the assault,

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you know, where essentially a lot of the crowd on

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the you know, the the orders of the singer of

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end It jumped on this guy and like ripped off

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his his banana costume, and as I said, you know

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that the level of the seriousness what kind of assault

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you might want to described that has been you know,

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people have come up that in different ways, but what

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it have to be, you know, baseline established is that

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you know, non consensual violence happened against this man, and

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what else do you call that but assault? And I, yes,

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I have the exact same response to his like you know,

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Instagram response and all this kind of stuff. But I

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can I can believe that Banana Man is probably a

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decent enough guy who doesn't want to upset anyone. We

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might think he's cringed, we might think he's not understanding

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the environment he's in properly, but he's you know, he's

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probably not a bad guy. I imagine that he's probably

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had a very rough week becoming the like global focus

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of the entire heavy music community, you know what I mean,

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in such a negative way. And you know, in some

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sense you could claim, yeah, you wanted that attention, You've

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stepped into that arena. But I doubt he ever imagined

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it would come to this, you know. And I think

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it's that's part of the the escalation of social media

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as well, because if this similar story had happened decades ago.

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If someone in two thousand and two got a banana

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costume ripped off of them, no one will fucking know.

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It'd be a bit of public shaming in their local scene,

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maybe enough to snap him out of that and be

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go going, Okay, I won't do that again. But nowhere

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near the extent that he goes to now where, like

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I said, we are here on the other side of

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an ocean talking about it, because it's been all the

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fucking you know, heavy music community talk about for the

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last week or so. I imagine that is sincerely, like

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very upsetting and scary to go through. I don't think

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there is any instance of you know, specific intent. For example,

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he was going to an ended show. They have these

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political songs, they have a you know, a black singer

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as well, which is something that has been brought up

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here in regards to, you know, kind of again diminishing

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the political voice, as we say, of what's going on

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there by going and dressing in a stupid fucking costume.

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I doubt there's any element of that going through this

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guy's head at all, because, as we established, he dresses

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as his bananas go to every fucking show, you know

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what I mean. But you know, like Death Grips stop

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playing live for a while because people wouldn't stop wearing

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fucking propeller hats and filming on three DS's. You know,

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like this kind of weird content, grind irony culture has

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permeated so much of the music landscape. I think when

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you've got radical political songs, it's not the time to

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dress silly. You know, like you have to read the

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room a bit, you have to I think take the

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art more seriously. I think you should let a subculture

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be itself without diverting it into a me MEI me,

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fucking clown show, you know what I mean. Like dance

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by all means, that's what people do at hardcore shows,

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but the clownshit is what sheepens the experience in the environment.

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I do think that shame has a cultural purpose, essentially

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to police this stuff and get people to stop doing

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stupid shit. But do we want to open the Pandora's

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box of inciting violence on people in the crowd.

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Speaker 2: That's a different question.

476
00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:37,839
Speaker 3: Yes, this is what's twicky about this, because I feel

477
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,720
like both of us are of the opinion that kind

478
00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:46,839
of both things. We don't like either side of it. Obviously,

479
00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:51,200
they're not like being a bit annoying, isn't you know,

480
00:23:51,759 --> 00:23:58,480
equal to well assault essentially? Is it too far?

481
00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:59,519
Speaker 2: Probably?

482
00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:02,759
Speaker 3: Though, But it is interesting how this one has blown

483
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,799
up in a way that a lot of other similar

484
00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:13,960
incidents haven't. Backlash wise, like when Draine Man calls for

485
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,200
people to jump on the rowers, everyone loves that.

486
00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: I think there's something particularly visceral to the guy having

487
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,559
essentially his outfit stripped off of him, you know what

488
00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:24,680
I mean, and like he was, he was wearing clothes underneath.

489
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,039
And that's why when some people have said that this is

490
00:24:26,039 --> 00:24:29,279
a sexual assault, I'm not entirely convinced of that. But

491
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:33,599
there is particularly a visceral nature to everyone dog piling

492
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:35,079
a guy to tear his clothes off of him.

493
00:24:35,079 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 2: You know, that's true.

494
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:44,559
Speaker 3: It does conjure something more extreme, I guess. Yeah. It's funny.

495
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,759
When I knew we were going to talk about this,

496
00:24:47,839 --> 00:24:51,200
I was like, how much could possibly get out of

497
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,039
something that I don't think I have that much of

498
00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:56,519
an opinion on. No, I'm realizing, like, yeah, there's so

499
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,440
much to start dig in and sort of grapple with here.

500
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: It is a very complicated subject.

501
00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:05,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have an answer. I don't particularly condone

502
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,440
what happened, but I don't I'm not gonna cancel end it,

503
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,480
you know, I'm like, get them kicked off campaign to

504
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,720
get them kicked off tours.

505
00:25:16,319 --> 00:25:17,559
Speaker 2: I mean, they might have canceled themselves.

506
00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: We'll fucking get onto this in a second, but it

507
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,359
just you know, I'm going to quote another host here,

508
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,039
who's who put costume. Guys are annoying office nutters, and

509
00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:26,759
I'm almost never pleased to see them. But if you're

510
00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:28,599
on stage and you call upon an audience to attack

511
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:31,319
an individual in the crowd, you're a coward. And I

512
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,359
think that's fairly succinct. I don't think anyone's coming out

513
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,839
this particularly well. You're like, no one is covering themselves

514
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,720
in glory here, Like Banana Man is a lame loser,

515
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:44,359
and I feel bad saying that, considering the bad week

516
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,640
he's had you know already, But end It have incited,

517
00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:51,960
as I say, you know, assault upon a random member

518
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,759
of the crowd, and they haven't even done it themselves.

519
00:25:53,799 --> 00:25:56,759
You know, they've summoned the rest of the crowd to

520
00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:58,559
do their dirty.

521
00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: Work for them.

522
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: I think that you know this Banana SpongeBob hot Dog costume,

523
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:08,480
influencer culture at specifically again like subcultural countercultural shows like

524
00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,519
hardcore should die. I think people should stop doing that.

525
00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:14,640
But I regret that this person was targeted in this

526
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,880
way to make that point. I think that's a sad outcome.

527
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, of being a lame loser as a crime, then

528
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:22,359
lock me up as well.

529
00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:26,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, get guilty as charge. Not the same kind of

530
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:28,599
lame loser, to be clear, but guilty as charge. And

531
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,359
then yeah, like I said, the fucking snowballing of this

532
00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,880
is I'm not quite sure where this information has come from,

533
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,319
but it seems to be that there was a Hate

534
00:26:37,319 --> 00:26:41,279
Breed tour Hate Breed with Life of Agony. People think

535
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,559
that end It were going to be announced as the

536
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,319
opening act on that bill, and they have now not

537
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,319
been included on that bill. So now we've got a

538
00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:54,920
little like mini backlash going building up against Hate Breed

539
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,680
for supposedly removing end It from the tour in the

540
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,799
wake of this ongoing banana man, you know, discourse and

541
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:04,839
stuff people like that's not very hardcore. How would you,

542
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:06,640
you know, remove the band from from the bill for

543
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,480
this kind of thing. On the other side of that

544
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:12,200
there is, they might be deemed a liability right now,

545
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,000
like this is, this story has gained so much notoriety

546
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,119
in such a short space of time, you know, and

547
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,400
it does involve, as we say, like calls for violence.

548
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,119
You don't know what direction legally or whatever that might go,

549
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,720
the unwanted publicity or whatever. And then the latest development

550
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,039
as we are recording right now is end. It appears

551
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:30,759
to have deleted their Facebook page, and if you go

552
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:32,440
to where that was, it just comes up saying, you know,

553
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,640
this page is is not available. So it would be

554
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,559
fucking meant to have ended broke up and like you know,

555
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:47,680
combusted in a long line of like unflatteringly combusting hardcore

556
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,160
bands over stupid shit in recent years, you know what

557
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,119
I mean. I do hope that's not the case, because

558
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,559
this would feel like a particularly like you know, if

559
00:27:54,599 --> 00:27:56,160
you're going to die on that, fucking die on it,

560
00:27:56,200 --> 00:28:00,400
you know, like, don't disband over getting the blowback from you.

561
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:02,759
I don't know, it's just had. It's hard to say

562
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:05,839
where this one's going, but it is continuing to spiral

563
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,519
out of control. I think our position that we've come

564
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:12,799
to some agreement on is that the thing that incited

565
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:18,279
the frustration. Here is valid frustration, and we share it absolutely.

566
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,240
We are of the same position. But bit far lads,

567
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,119
come on, yes, yeah.

568
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: The punishment does not fit the crime.

569
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go.

570
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: Lots of new music and more announcements to get into.

571
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,519
I suppose we'll keep it in Harcore first of all,

572
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:39,680
because while that world's continues to stay dramatic, we have

573
00:28:39,759 --> 00:28:42,240
got news. Just in the last come a couple of

574
00:28:42,359 --> 00:28:45,279
you know, days or so. There is a new band

575
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:49,279
that is appearing under the name single Print Index, which

576
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:53,119
appears to be several members of the now currently as

577
00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:57,519
we know, defunct Code Orange. Do not currently know which

578
00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:59,920
members of Code Orange. I think we can take it

579
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:04,519
generally educated guests. That is the same members who have

580
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,119
been continuing to work together creatively in other projects recently,

581
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,559
and not for the other ones who have been going,

582
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:13,759
you know, in other directions. So I would imagine this

583
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:16,440
is at the very least Jamie and Shade. Perhaps we've

584
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,160
got you know, Dorm or one of the other members

585
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,720
involved in there as well, but members of Code Orange.

586
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:22,359
Speaker 2: I said.

587
00:29:22,359 --> 00:29:25,359
Speaker 1: The band is called single Print Index. This appeared where

588
00:29:25,359 --> 00:29:28,960
they are playing a show they are opening for a

589
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,799
band called Pain Clinic who recently members of Code Orange

590
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:33,200
have like you know, crossed over and done a little

591
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,799
bit of guesting and collabing with anyway. That show is

592
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:40,279
happening on June the twentieth, the first single print Index show.

593
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:42,559
It does say in little brackets underneath them, Code Orange.

594
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,680
So they are genuinely terming this as something of a like,

595
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,079
at least a you know who we are, We're continuing

596
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,799
kind of what we were before kind of vibe. But

597
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:53,759
there is also now in the last couple of hours,

598
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:56,960
a track that has appeared on their you know, general

599
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,720
sort of combined you know, Creative Universe YouTube channel, Recover

600
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:04,640
the Mindset, and like, yeah, if if you put this

601
00:30:04,759 --> 00:30:07,680
on not knowing who it was, you would go, wow,

602
00:30:07,799 --> 00:30:10,160
that really sounds like Code Orange, you know, like down

603
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,079
to Obviously Jamie's vocal is there, but the production that

604
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,440
kind of like dig hardcore style that they were really

605
00:30:17,559 --> 00:30:20,400
leaning into, certainly around like Underneath for example, and onto,

606
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,559
you know, the heavier tracks of the above as well,

607
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:27,279
the mechanized crack on the drums and that churning guitar sound.

608
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:29,079
Speaker 2: It is. It does.

609
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: It's the first thing they've done Postcode Orange that you

610
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,720
could genuinely go that sounds like Code Orange.

611
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might as well be a called Orange song.

612
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:42,039
Like I think it's brilliant.

613
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,039
Speaker 2: It's like you.

614
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,359
Speaker 3: Say, it's got the sort of is that forever underneath

615
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:51,920
sort of even opens like multiple Corde Orange songs have

616
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,559
in the past. It's so good and it's got that

617
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,160
like I think like halfway through there's a proper like panteray,

618
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:06,160
like wuilling squalling riff that's really sick, and like, ah,

619
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:09,240
the breakdowns are great. The beatdown at the end is

620
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:13,240
so heavy it is funny, just like listening to this

621
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:17,319
and being like, oh shit, it's like they're never left.

622
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:19,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did think.

623
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean when you say that the intro sounds like

624
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,240
so many Code Orange songs before that, or like it

625
00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,559
builds up and then there's like a sudden slip into

626
00:31:25,599 --> 00:31:28,559
the up tempo when Jamie's scream comes in that that's

627
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,799
like the same trick they've pulled on, you know, like

628
00:31:30,839 --> 00:31:33,640
Swallowing the rabbit Hole or countless other songs that it

629
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,000
does firmly click you back into like a ramping up

630
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,240
Code Orange intro kind of mode. It does feel the

631
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:42,799
fact that we're almost like referencing things they've done before

632
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,319
there as like you know what it sounds like, it's

633
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,640
I think it's stiffer. It's more straight ahead than Code Orange.

634
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,119
Maybe it's because they've done you know, Nowhere to Run,

635
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:55,000
where they've been going really all out on the kind

636
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,119
of experimental like electronic stuff, you know what I mean.

637
00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:01,200
This is like this is for the mosh. This very

638
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:04,400
much feels like this is like the side of what

639
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,519
these guys creatively do for the hardcore fests, you know,

640
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:11,000
like this is us playing the kind of music that

641
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,079
we came up playing in the mid twenty tens, you

642
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,720
know what I mean, like fully immersing ourselves in these

643
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:19,960
hardcore environments in front of harkore crowds and stuff like that.

644
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,000
Like it is very much evoking the feel of how

645
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:28,480
these guys write hardcore music, which is like no other

646
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,839
you know, band in their scene of their generation. But

647
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,599
it is very very like within their world, it's very familiar,

648
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,319
you know what I mean. Like it's kind of it's

649
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:41,599
ahead of so many other bands. It's kind of nostalgic

650
00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:43,319
from their point of view, right, Like it's very much

651
00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:45,720
it's them throwing back to like, hey, remember Code Orange,

652
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,000
and it's weird to describing code Orange or you know,

653
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:50,279
a continuation of as nostalgic.

654
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 3: It's sort of like last year all of us said

655
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,960
similar things about the Deftones record, like do you hear

656
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:02,079
lots of bands borrowing elements and trying to rip off

657
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:05,640
elements from the Death Dones and called orange, But when

658
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:11,160
you actually hear the people themselves doing it, you're like, ah,

659
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:16,680
there's juice here, there's something like you can't replicate this chemistry.

660
00:33:16,759 --> 00:33:18,680
I get, well, we don't even know who's in the band,

661
00:33:18,759 --> 00:33:24,880
but certainly Jamie you can't replicate him in the same way.

662
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:29,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it does feel very deliberate as a like,

663
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:30,799
you know, first track from this thing and the way

664
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:35,000
that we know that you know these guys. The first

665
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,400
singles from every album is always like there's there's a

666
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,960
statement that like there's been deliberately chosen, even if it's

667
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,720
been a standardone single like an out for Blood, you

668
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:43,279
know what I mean, Like there is a deliberateness to

669
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:45,079
the message that's been putting across here and like this

670
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,200
being called you know, it's them essentially starting a new

671
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:52,440
hardcore band after their last like generational hardcore band went

672
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,400
down in smoke with a lot of their audience turning

673
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,039
against creatively what they had done. There is something very

674
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,839
deliberate about like here's new track. It's called Recover the Mindset,

675
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,480
and like I haven't seen the full lyrics, but the

676
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,559
ones that I was, you know, like catching as it

677
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,000
was going by saying things like remember what's yours?

678
00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: Take it back by force? You know what I mean?

679
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: Like there is something in the lineage of like they're

680
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,239
particularly pointed Code Orange songs about the scene that they

681
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,119
are a part of Right Out for Blood is one

682
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,360
with the you know you were motherfucker, I am all

683
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,920
that stuff grooming my replacement from the above, which was

684
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,400
again one of the first tracks they released from that

685
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,199
wasn't it felt very much in that kind of worlds,

686
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:30,719
like almost like you guys are waiting for us to

687
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,000
fail so you can thrust up like the next new

688
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:36,760
big band to take our place, and then Code Orange

689
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,639
having you know, died a death and then coming back

690
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:40,760
with We're going to take it back by force. With this,

691
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:43,639
it's very like even though it is as we say,

692
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,440
it's kind of nostalgic in the tools of their own arsenal.

693
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,280
They are playing with it does feel very like pointed

694
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,639
and like it has a particular you know, purpose in

695
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,679
them putting this one out at this time, which I

696
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,119
think is always good coming from this camp. I think

697
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,920
maybe cynically you could say that this is almost like

698
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:03,559
what Code Orange fans who rejected the last couple of

699
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:06,960
records and just romanticize like forever I Am King or whatever,

700
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,679
like this is a track that is it is less

701
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,719
challenging to those you know, mosher sensibilities than what Code

702
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,639
Orange ended up doing, and so this could go down

703
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:19,400
a lot easier, I think. But as someone who's spent

704
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,440
you know, a lot of the last ten years whatever

705
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:24,880
listening to Code Orange, it does hit a like familiar

706
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,360
cozy spot for me, you know, like it does hit

707
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,719
that spot. The production is killer, the snare tone like

708
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,159
no one's done it like them since, as we say.

709
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:38,519
Speaker 3: Even the obnoxious sort of confidence. Yeah, lots of hardcore

710
00:35:38,599 --> 00:35:43,599
bands have confidence and like bravado, But like you say,

711
00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:46,280
the way Cold Orange do it is just so It's

712
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,880
so cozy, it's so nostalgic and comfy. I love hearing

713
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,599
it again. Yeah, even though yeah, I guess it does

714
00:35:54,639 --> 00:36:01,480
sound like the type of song that purposefully ruffle feathers

715
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,320
with Yeah, with the mashers, But I think it is

716
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,440
a great track. I'm excited to see more.

717
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and obviously we will see if a

718
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:13,400
record or anything in the way of a single print

719
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,000
intex does come in the future. This is a cool announcement.

720
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:21,199
Burnt by the Sun have reunited, joining the ranks of

721
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,119
bands of that era and style. We are talking kind

722
00:36:24,159 --> 00:36:26,880
of metalic hardcore of the nineties and early noughties, bands

723
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,440
like Botch and Dead Guy, who recently have you know,

724
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:32,880
reappeared and made waves again. But By the Sun are

725
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,119
back and their reinvigorated lineup features Bill Kelleher of course

726
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:40,920
of mastered on on guitars Mark. But By the Sun

727
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,920
are they one of those as just described the kind

728
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,079
of you know, the realm of band that they exist in.

729
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,639
I have like an affinity and enjoyment for burn by

730
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:50,599
the song. Are they one of those bands that you

731
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:51,840
have like passed by much?

732
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, absolutely, They're not my favorite band, but they're great.

733
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:02,960
You know, just anything that is from the turn of

734
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,960
the century has a bit of mathcore and metalcore and

735
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,480
sometimes even like borders on groundcore once, like really extreme

736
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:18,159
hardcore music from the term of the century. I always

737
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,159
just love that and always like have a soft spot

738
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:26,079
for it. By the Son are really extreme for the era,

739
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,760
so they're a really cool band. I didn't even realize

740
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,119
like how long they've been away.

741
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really enjoyed, like you know that the first

742
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:37,440
EP by Burn with the Sun and like the first

743
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,039
couple of albums and stuff. I mean, they're all pretty good,

744
00:37:39,079 --> 00:37:42,719
but like that's the real the sweet spot stuff. I

745
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,119
got into them, Like I remember, it's very appropriate the

746
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:50,400
announcement that's happened here because I remember I probably imagine

747
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,840
Bill from Mastard On citing them as like an influence

748
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:57,039
on some of the like you know, the more scrounky,

749
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:00,480
weirder like heavy you know, the Gnaria mastered on riffs

750
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,360
and stuff, right, But by of a sudden was a

751
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,280
band that was like thrown out there and I was like, oh,

752
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,360
that's cool. I got to check them out, and I

753
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,360
remember going and finding like the first EP and stuff

754
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,920
like that. They also have Dave Witter on the drums

755
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,199
from like Municipal Waste, Human Remains Discordant Access, like one

756
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:17,239
of those great multi purpose kind of extreme drummers.

757
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:17,679
Speaker 2: You know what.

758
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:19,679
Speaker 1: I mean, but with that in mind, like I said that,

759
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,079
they're the kind of band you know, say like today

760
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:23,360
is the Day and stuff like that where you can

761
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,679
envision them being part of that like late nineties sort

762
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,639
of millennial underground American scene where bands like Masterdon and

763
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:31,639
stuff were bubbling up and they were part of that framework.

764
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,119
And so there is a nice you know, full circle

765
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,400
happening here with them coming back with hey Bill from

766
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,719
Masterdon on guitars.

767
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: Now.

768
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: Obviously Bill has a full time gig right, very big

769
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,800
popular touring, literally releasing an album we spoke about a single,

770
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,800
you know, last week type band. So I don't know,

771
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,599
is this going to be, for example, a dead guy

772
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:54,840
situation where we like, hey, well here's new material and

773
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,039
then we're actually going to come back and be like

774
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:58,239
a full time band again. Or is it a botch

775
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,679
situation where they come back maybe a little bit material,

776
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:02,119
but they come back and play some shows and then

777
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,920
they go out again. I'm not sure. Obviously, I can't

778
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,239
imagine it's going to be. You know, they're kind of

779
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,719
you know, middle aged, old hardcore guy so a lot

780
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,400
of those bands do do a kind of part time

781
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:11,719
approach to it anyway, which is fine.

782
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,159
Speaker 2: Is cool.

783
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,519
Speaker 1: If you can come out and you know, put on

784
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:16,400
some sick shows and stuff, I would certainly I would welcome,

785
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,119
but mother some material, I would certainly welcome seeing them live.

786
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like I love even just the press photo

787
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,039
of them. They just look like a cool bunch of lads,

788
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:34,360
especially with Bill there. Bill always looks fucking swag as hell. Yeah,

789
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:38,119
it's funny because these situations often do like poison the well,

790
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,719
like dead Guy. They do often become like live only

791
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,280
and then they decide, ah, fucking let's thinker about in

792
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,440
the studio. So who knows the kind of it starts

793
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,280
as a live only thing. Maybe we will hear a

794
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,519
record like and I'd be excited to hear it. Like

795
00:39:56,519 --> 00:40:01,880
like you say, I never really two and two together before,

796
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,079
But you're right that sort of stronky to use your

797
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,159
word matter dom riff. It is really similar to like

798
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,320
I can see the influence now. So to have you

799
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,599
know that guy that will tell her in the band,

800
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,559
I'm sure if they were to go into the studio

801
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,360
there'll be some pretty cool riffs coming out of it.

802
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,639
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I mean that guy is a fucking riff king.

803
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,559
Of course, we all know that, so yeah. I mean,

804
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,119
it's one more cool band in the world as of

805
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:32,079
this piece of news, So good news.

806
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 2: There.

807
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:35,599
Speaker 1: There is a whole we've already spoken about the single

808
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:39,039
print Index track considerably already had a very busy week with.

809
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:39,559
Speaker 2: Them last week.

810
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: There's a whole load of other single and albu announcements

811
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,440
and stuff that I suppose we are going to run

812
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,719
through as quick as we can here. First one that

813
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,840
I know many people will have been like long awaiting

814
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:54,800
is Unpeople, the UK rock band who have been kicking

815
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,079
around for about three years ish, I think, I think

816
00:40:58,119 --> 00:40:59,760
if you go and look when they released their first track,

817
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,280
it was twenty twenty three, one of the most like

818
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:08,960
spoken about, hotly tipped bands from the UK rock underground,

819
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,360
I suppose they have finally announced their debut album. It's

820
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,679
called We Are Unpeople. It's coming out of October the

821
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,079
ninth via Sharp Tone Records, and they've along with this

822
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:21,880
announcement they put a track called Friends and Mark. I

823
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,960
don't remember if we, as in me and you together

824
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,159
have spoken about Unpeople before. I for a while have

825
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,320
been observing this and it's felt like a party that

826
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,880
I've not been invited to, you know, and then I've

827
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,840
been waiting for it to kind of, you know, leave

828
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,400
the station and go somewhere else. And it's just been

829
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,239
from where I've been sitting dragged out, like I've just

830
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,760
been hearing they're the best band. They're the best band

831
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,599
in the UK. They're the best band in the UK.

832
00:41:43,639 --> 00:41:45,960
They're gonna blow up, They're gonna be huge. You get

833
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,920
about on the Unpeople train, They're gonna be huge, and

834
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,159
they they're gonna be the biggest.

835
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: Band in the UK.

836
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: They seem to play three sets at two thousand trees

837
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,559
every single year to hundreds of people who knew every

838
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:56,599
single word. And then I go, okay, cool, have you

839
00:41:56,599 --> 00:41:59,840
got any records? And just crickets for fucking ages like

840
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,480
I've seen them once and that was like two years ago,

841
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,760
and fuck alls happened in that time, apart from more

842
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,920
of what I've just described to you. So my position

843
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,039
on this as an Unpeople agnostic just waiting for something

844
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:16,840
to happen is finally, this interminable prelude period will come

845
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,800
to an end and we can get an album and

846
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,199
actually properly talk about an Unpeople record, and I can

847
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,000
you know, make more of a personal decision or whatever

848
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:26,440
on my feelings on the band, whatever there, But that

849
00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:29,760
is my observation of Unpeople, and that's why I'm very

850
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,960
happy to finally have an album announcement.

851
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very similar in that Unpeople should be a

852
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,119
band from all the talk you see and how people

853
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:41,639
talk about them and describe them. Should be a very

854
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:47,239
you know me, I should love this. I've always struggled

855
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,320
to connect with them. Really, I don't really know what

856
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,679
it is. I do feel is sort of exemplified my

857
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,760
feelings on this by the two songs they've put out,

858
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,239
which I think for this record of two singles which

859
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,320
I think are the best things they've done. The one

860
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,840
that came out the other day I think is the

861
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,519
best Unpeople song. But it's this thing with them I

862
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,239
have where it's like I listened to that song and

863
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,840
I'm like, oh, great, it reminds me of all these bands. Okay,

864
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,960
this is the Unpeople thing. I can get my head

865
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,599
around that. But then I listened to another on People

866
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:27,280
song and it's like, oh, this is just a whole

867
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:33,480
other different bunch of bands. I can't pin down the

868
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:37,880
Unpeople identity. I can't really figure out what their thing is.

869
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,519
But now with the latest two songs, they have choruses.

870
00:43:43,559 --> 00:43:46,280
I like, where before where it was like, oh yeah,

871
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:48,400
I get, I get, this is a cool sound. They're

872
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,679
bringing in lots of cool ideas. That energy is there,

873
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,119
but there's no real identity. Plus the choruses aren't there.

874
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,920
I struggled with that, But now they like the songwriting

875
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:03,239
seems to evopt and there was a great confidence to them. So,

876
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:05,679
I mean, I was going to listen to the debut

877
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:09,519
album anyway because they're a very talked about, hyped band,

878
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:14,039
but I'm actually now quite excited to hear it because

879
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:18,440
I think they're finally releasing things.

880
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: I like, Yeah, I could definitely imagine on People being

881
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,039
a band that you in particular would vibe with, because

882
00:44:24,039 --> 00:44:25,760
I listened to this track and it's like bouncy riffing

883
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,719
and just sunny vibes, you know what I mean, which

884
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,159
I think is the flavor that they are going for.

885
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,599
What you were describing there, like is not like not

886
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,079
really being able to be together. What un People's like

887
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:37,800
musical thing is, you know. I think part of that

888
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,199
for me is the fact that it was just like

889
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,840
these scant singles released over like a period of years,

890
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,880
you know, and what I need an album in front

891
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,719
of me, a fully cohesive body of work to be like, Okay,

892
00:44:47,039 --> 00:44:49,440
now from this, I can gauge what.

893
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,599
Speaker 2: Your dealers, you know what I mean.

894
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: And that's why I've been like waiting to make up

895
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,440
my mind for what felt like a very very long time,

896
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:56,119
and like I've not really been able to make up

897
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:57,559
my mind from like just you know, one or two

898
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,360
songs that we've been out from this, but the fact

899
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,320
that we actually now a date for an album where finally,

900
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,960
like that you know, whole that waiting period can come

901
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:06,679
to an end, that I can dive into a record

902
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,760
and be like, Okay, cool, this is what you people are.

903
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,079
That is what I'm looking forward to. So October the ninth,

904
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,000
one of the most spoken about upcoming Deaily records of

905
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:18,400
the I imagine on People's record will finally be coming out.

906
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,599
We also have news of a new chat Pile record,

907
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:22,920
who are very regular these days. You know, I say

908
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,360
these days have not been going for that long, But

909
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,679
what I mean is like every two years we have

910
00:45:26,679 --> 00:45:29,239
been very reliably getting a record, and every time they

911
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,800
are you know, very spoken about, very popular band right

912
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,840
now coming out of the underground. They have got their

913
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:35,880
new record which is called Who Loves the Sun. It's

914
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,280
coming out September the fourth. It's the follow up to

915
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,199
Cool World, which came out end of twenty twenty four.

916
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:44,159
Great record. There's a track from it called Deep Blue.

917
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:48,360
And I don't think they are judging from this single.

918
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,480
I don't think Chat Parlor a band right now who

919
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,679
are going to be moving too far from like outside

920
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:54,920
of their core sound, you know, And I think that's

921
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:58,639
a good thing. The core Chat Pile sort of cell

922
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,119
of like this is like God Flesh meets corn and

923
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:05,960
meets the Jesus Lizard kind of just like really like

924
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,440
lovepum smashing you over the head, noise rock with the

925
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:12,599
riff in this song has got this immediate, like dissonant

926
00:46:12,679 --> 00:46:15,920
kind of dowurness to it, you know, Like I don't

927
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,039
think this song is a revelation in that, but if

928
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:20,559
you like Chat Pile, this is exactly what you're wanting

929
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:21,960
them to keep on doing.

930
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there is slight I don't know, things that

931
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,760
remind me of other stuff I like that are teeny

932
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,480
tiny like evolutions or nice additions to the Chat Pile bleakness.

933
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:40,760
Like there's a bit halfway through with a proper like dissonant,

934
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,719
pinched harmonic laden riff that really reminds me of like

935
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:49,280
Domestica by Cursive, that kind of like there's a bit

936
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,239
of emoy in it. There's a bit of slint in it,

937
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,440
but I guess there is sometimes splint in the chat Pile.

938
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:59,400
But the thing that about them that I really like

939
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,039
what they do when they do and they do it

940
00:47:02,039 --> 00:47:04,639
brilliantly on this song is when the song is just

941
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:08,559
so low, low end and blunt and like tar, and

942
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:11,679
then a clean vocal sort of meanders on top of

943
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,039
it and it creates this sort of like it doesn't fit,

944
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,199
you know, there is this uncandy valley sort of thing.

945
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,440
I really like that, and I really like the one

946
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,760
in this song. Like you say, it's not reinventing the wheel,

947
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,039
but chap Pil are great, right like, and no one

948
00:47:27,039 --> 00:47:30,800
else sounds like Chackpile. I'll take another great chat Pile song.

949
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

950
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: The quote from the member of the band for this

951
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,079
song is he's described this as Chatpile doing a Billie

952
00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:40,679
Squire song It's Our Lonely as the Night, which is

953
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:42,840
actually a fake Led Zeppelin song. So who the hell

954
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,280
knows what we're actually doing here. The answer is you're

955
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,239
just chatting because it doesn't sound like lonely as the

956
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,800
Knight does it your fucking maniacs. But there is a

957
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,400
little bit of melody in there, you know, so I

958
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,039
can see like in the confines of noisy horrible chat

959
00:47:56,079 --> 00:48:00,719
pile shit. Yeah, it's a vaguely marmalogic song, but yeah, like,

960
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,840
I'm sure the record will be good because the track

961
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,599
is good. So that's coming out in September. Like they

962
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:08,800
knew that you would be rejoining me this week, Mark,

963
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:11,199
I saw this and I just had to put it

964
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,360
in for you. Electric cow Boy have linked up with

965
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:18,519
none other than The Offspring for a single called let

966
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:19,559
the Good Times Roll.

967
00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: Now.

968
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,039
Speaker 1: This immediately confused me because I saw this was like, well,

969
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,199
don't the Offspring already have Let the Good Times Roll?

970
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:27,239
It isn't that already a fucking song?

971
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

972
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: And then I had to go back and I was like,

973
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,119
oh no, it's like the Bad Times role. But isn't

974
00:48:31,119 --> 00:48:33,599
it confusing that like within I don't know, three four

975
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:35,519
years of their last record or whatever, that you know

976
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:38,320
that let the good Times roll, that the bad Times roll?

977
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 3: You know?

978
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: What I mean, Like, it's very confusing to me.

979
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: The offering immediately came out with a track like they

980
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:45,119
haven't already got that in their catalog.

981
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I spent ages trying to figure out is

982
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,719
this a reference? But I think it's just a coincidence

983
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:58,280
that it's called that. Yeah, you know, I like this song.

984
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,719
It's a bit, it's a bit, I don't know. It's

985
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,800
a nice breezy thumper. It's got a nice bounce to it.

986
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,920
It's sound great at the festival. The second half of

987
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,519
the chorus with the woe does get a little too

988
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,760
radially for me. But also I'm like, yeah, but it's

989
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,239
electric cowboy, Why do you care about that mark? The

990
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,440
song is great, you're dancing along, you're having a laugh.

991
00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:25,920
That's kind of enough for me. I do like it,

992
00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:30,360
although when Dexter Holand comes in, there's so much processing

993
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,320
on his voice that he sounds like he's singing that

994
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,559
as through the ether, like he's like he's in the

995
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:39,440
TV and Portergeist. When he appears on the verse.

996
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: My thought was excellent, the Mbre was a long time

997
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,719
ago like this. This feels like they're they're trying to

998
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,320
harken back to like, you know, Cruise in California will

999
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:53,920
hit that offspring through a more computerized like like what

1000
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:55,519
you know what I mean?

1001
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:58,159
Speaker 3: Why I like it?

1002
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,559
Speaker 1: You know, probably we don't normally, you know, I think

1003
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,320
that trick Corby. I already about a couple singles from

1004
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,360
this album, like the eighth single, I know, but I

1005
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,400
just saw that link up and I was like, what

1006
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,719
am I gonna do? Not get Mark to talk about?

1007
00:50:12,119 --> 00:50:15,760
So that's gonna be from track Corboy's records Tans Needs,

1008
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,360
which has coming out in August. It keeps going on,

1009
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,280
the good times, keep rolling on. Viewing Mouth have announced

1010
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,519
their new album called The Ringing Bell, which has a

1011
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:26,880
fucking sick cover art. It's one of those like that

1012
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,480
if you've seen it, it's like one of those just

1013
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:32,679
like late Night Midnight I've stumbled into and taken a

1014
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:34,400
photograph of a church on my phone, like one of

1015
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,119
those type images, but with their logo on it. It looks

1016
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:38,400
super fucking cool and has a track called a Blaze

1017
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,480
of Nihilism. But the real partner's headline that turns the

1018
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:42,519
heads is that they have been joined on this album

1019
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:46,440
in their lineup by Jay Weinberg, who I suppose has,

1020
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:49,519
you know, he obviously he was out of Slipknot then

1021
00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:51,360
I suppose he must have finished his like you know,

1022
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:55,760
community allotted time playing in suicidal tendencies, which everyone does.

1023
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,800
But now he's joining a you know, obviously someone who

1024
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,360
is a big name has spent time in literally some

1025
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,559
of the biggest bands in our world, joining a relatively

1026
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:08,079
small like death metal, cume hardcore band and ripping out

1027
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,280
a HM two rager like this, that's just pretty fucking

1028
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,280
cool for febing wealth.

1029
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, good, good for them. Also, like Jay is putting

1030
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,079
in some work, Like even from the intro of this song,

1031
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:24,679
you're like, fucking hell, this lad is hitting hard as

1032
00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:28,079
he always does, but like, yeah, this is sick. Like

1033
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:34,360
it's nice hearing him play on something so like death metal,

1034
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,920
like actually death metally yeah, and with that tone like

1035
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:43,000
two yeah, oh yeah, the chainsaw on it really goes.

1036
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,800
But something else I love about the song is like

1037
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,639
when the clean guitar solo comes in and it's like

1038
00:51:50,039 --> 00:51:55,480
so not HM two coded. You know, you never hear

1039
00:51:55,519 --> 00:51:59,000
a guitar that sort of sol ring in a song

1040
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:01,079
this scuzzy and fun. I thought that was a really

1041
00:52:01,159 --> 00:52:02,039
nice touch as well.

1042
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: Well, that's a bit female mouth of kind of like

1043
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:08,440
on their last record they've kind of played somewhat in

1044
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:11,800
those sort of capacities, doing more like melodic league guitars

1045
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,280
and you know, bit Gothy Doo or whatever.

1046
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:14,679
Speaker 2: Kind of influence.

1047
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,599
Speaker 1: I think, Like I've thought Femalew for a while are

1048
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:18,960
like a decent band. They're not one of my favorites

1049
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,480
to have come out of this whole HM two type wave,

1050
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:23,079
but it's nice to have someone doing it. And the

1051
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:25,000
breakdown part towards the end of this, when Jay is

1052
00:52:25,039 --> 00:52:27,559
like hammering on the ride symbol is like tough, you

1053
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:29,000
know what I mean. It's just a get a cool

1054
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,440
headline and yeah, a good record that I imagine we'll

1055
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,079
be coming out in July when the Ringing Bell comes out.

1056
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:39,880
We had two this week too, surprise EP drops from

1057
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,199
bands within the metal underground that will quickly with through

1058
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,119
as well. Iron Reagan have put out a thin nine

1059
00:52:46,199 --> 00:52:49,159
or ten minute EP six songs in that time called

1060
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:52,880
Demonetization and Iron Reagan. You you know you may remember

1061
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,760
Cross Ever, thrash band from the twenty ten's, primarily featuring

1062
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,360
members of Municipal Ways about some other bands they went

1063
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,440
away for like a good period, like they were inactive

1064
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:05,079
like after COVID, but they've recently got back together, started

1065
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:07,119
playing shows. They got the original lineup of Iron Raking

1066
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,159
back together, and this is the first music they've put

1067
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:12,000
out like since the twenty tenths basically, and the first

1068
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,199
music with that original lineup. It's like their first record.

1069
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:16,719
So that's why it's like, oh cool, I had reagnaback

1070
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,119
and yeah I put this on and Tony Forest's voice

1071
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,840
on like one to two minute songs, I'm home, that's

1072
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,280
a happy place for me. I love in you know,

1073
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,519
the tackle track demonetization, if that is a kind of

1074
00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:31,559
comment on just the general sort of like horrible grind

1075
00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:33,519
hustle culture that we currently live in, which feels like

1076
00:53:33,519 --> 00:53:35,760
a very cross flover thrash, you know, politically savvy thing

1077
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,159
to be commenting on the chorus of Demonetization, The Devil

1078
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:41,320
wears a suit and tie just sounds fucking cool coming

1079
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,880
out of Tony's mouth. And that's enough of me for this.

1080
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is sick. I didn't realize they've been away that.

1081
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,639
Speaker 2: Long, but yeah, last record was twenty seventeen.

1082
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:57,320
Speaker 3: Fuck me, that's no, Oh my god. Well we're all

1083
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:01,320
that this is great man. Like like you say, it's

1084
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,000
nine to ten minutes. I've listened to it twice in

1085
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:06,079
a row. I went for a walk and it was

1086
00:54:06,119 --> 00:54:08,400
really motivating me. It's just nice to have that, like

1087
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:14,559
I don't know crossover thrash, two step to power you along.

1088
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,440
I don't have much like you know in depth analysis.

1089
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,840
It's just like parts are known as a banger. God

1090
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,199
don't like it as a banger. These are great, like

1091
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,360
fun songs. And like you say, he just just hear

1092
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,760
him Tony's voice. I just love hearing him spit like

1093
00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:32,840
it's so good.

1094
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a song featuring the band hagus Who.

1095
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you are familiar with Haggis. They

1096
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,159
are like the one of the pivotal bands at the

1097
00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:46,320
moment in a very niche subgenre of gorgrind called mincecore.

1098
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,039
I enjoyed seeing them feature on this. I thought that

1099
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:54,000
half I'll have to give it another listen to really

1100
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:57,119
pick it out more. I was expecting halfway through that

1101
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,519
song to get a full gorgrind poop vocal, you know,

1102
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,480
based on that feature, And unless I went completely fucking

1103
00:55:04,519 --> 00:55:06,159
death during the duration that song, that didn't hit me

1104
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:09,559
and I was surprised by that fun EP though. And luckily,

1105
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,760
if we were lacking for poop there and if we

1106
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,519
were needing poop, we were also just hit with a

1107
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:20,599
surprise EP drop from Devourment. The Gods of Slam arguably

1108
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,719
the originators of that particular niche subgenre of brutal death metal,

1109
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:28,199
one of the most as I say, legendary bands in

1110
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:32,199
the brutal death metal world. Their last album Obscene Majesty

1111
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:35,039
from twenty nineteen, and this is their first music since then,

1112
00:55:35,079 --> 00:55:36,760
so again a good seven years, you know, without means

1113
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,320
of development that last record. Considering, as I say, their

1114
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,199
record like my lesting of the Capiteta from the nineties,

1115
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,679
I was like, you know, really pioneering records. Legitimately could

1116
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:49,000
be their best record ever, which in turn could also

1117
00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:50,920
make it one of the best slam records of all time.

1118
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:55,079
That production coming back on this EP where this feels

1119
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:57,920
like a continuation of Obscene Majesty era development.

1120
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 2: Just a beautiful sound. It's so heavy.

1121
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:11,679
Speaker 3: Mate, this is absolute key. I obviously Majesty is the

1122
00:56:11,679 --> 00:56:15,559
best brutal death metal album. I don't care. Is fucking

1123
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:21,480
jaw droppingly heavy. It is so it's almost comical, how

1124
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:25,719
heavy it is. I love that record and yeah, just

1125
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,519
even like it's the simple things hearing those really fucked

1126
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:33,159
up sub drops back Oh I'm Home.

1127
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: But also like a way to mix sub drops and

1128
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:38,360
have them still feel kind of organic, you know, when

1129
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,159
there are some records we complained about recently, we're bands

1130
00:56:40,159 --> 00:56:41,480
doing stuff like that, and it clipping the next of

1131
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:43,119
these kind of things like this is this is how

1132
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:44,119
a sub drop should hit.

1133
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, these subdrops have such a specific like they feel

1134
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:52,440
like a wave of sewage washing over you. Like it

1135
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:57,320
feels it feels like a wave, you know. It's it's

1136
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,719
so stinky, it's so horrid and grown. The songs are indistinguishable,

1137
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,360
but god it's good.

1138
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 1: Absolutely killer drum performance as well. The fucking swings all

1139
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,039
over the place. And at the very end of the EP,

1140
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,880
like the final bit of the third track, it's just

1141
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:20,639
this mental snare bit snare goes genuinely hysterical, like it's

1142
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:26,599
so funny, how ridiculous the drugs sound, but it's so cool.

1143
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 3: Two track two has a really fucked up, like continuous

1144
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,960
dive bomb section where the authority of them on top

1145
00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:34,480
of each other.

1146
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: It's so sick Yeah, Magicy is a fucking brilliant record

1147
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:42,559
and this EP is just an extra dose from that

1148
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:46,840
beautiful full development business. And so yeah, a double surprise

1149
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:49,199
EP dropped from us there from the world of underground metal.

1150
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,840
Not mad about either of them, and with all of

1151
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,239
those new tracks taken into account, we also know that

1152
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:57,639
as this show goes out, it looks like there is

1153
00:57:57,679 --> 00:57:59,360
going to be new Cult of Luna.

1154
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:00,519
Speaker 2: So we will be.

1155
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,719
Speaker 1: Here next week to see if there is a Cult

1156
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,079
of Luna album announcement or something of the sort, which

1157
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:07,119
would be beautiful if that were so, wouldn't it ye?

1158
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:10,719
But does look like this time tomorrow now if you're

1159
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,239
hearing this, there is going to be Cult of Luna

1160
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:16,159
out as well. Awesome handful of show announcements to bring

1161
00:58:16,199 --> 00:58:20,760
our news section to a close. Knocked Loose, who had

1162
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,079
already announced they were doing some like off date shows

1163
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:25,119
from their tour Metallica doing a few headline shows in

1164
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:28,599
the UK. There was one city that was conspicuously missing

1165
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:31,159
from that, that being Manchester, and it turns out that's

1166
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:35,719
because Outbreak have somehow looped them in to perform the

1167
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,280
after show to the Friday of Outbreaks. So the Friday

1168
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,760
of that break is the all emo day. It's the

1169
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,079
day at the front bottoms and bouncy composure and Tigers

1170
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:48,000
Draw and those type bands are playing. Knocked Loose are

1171
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:53,480
playing the Albert Hall in Manchester, doors at midnight, at

1172
00:58:53,519 --> 00:58:58,119
half midnight on like early Saturday morning, essentially going through

1173
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,280
into you know, the the Appsolute Dead of Night. A

1174
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,199
lip Critic are going to be supporting as well. Who

1175
00:59:03,239 --> 00:59:05,599
are another band who are playing on the outbreak bill?

1176
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: This confuses me.

1177
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Speaker 1: It's listed as like a no barrier type show right

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at the Albert Hall in Manchester. We've been to the

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Albohl together Marke. It's the venue where we saw blooding

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00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:18,519
Hantation last year. It's the one. It's the one that's

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00:59:18,519 --> 00:59:20,559
like the inside of a converted church almost with the

1182
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:22,760
sting glass windows, which is fucking cool for not lose

1183
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,760
considering the whole church, like you know, aesthetic of the

1184
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,079
last record and stuff. But how the fucking have a

1185
00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:30,480
no barrier show in there? The stage is really tall,

1186
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,360
like it's so high. The stage is as tall as me,

1187
00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:38,840
Like I have trouble climbing up onto the regular outbreakstaste

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enough that was like twice as tall.

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Speaker 2: No one's going to be able to get up there.

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Speaker 3: It's as tall as a banana guy.

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00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: It's fucking ridiculous.

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00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: So I'm not quite sure how the whole no barrier

1193
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,679
stage diving type setup might work in that particular venue.

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00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,199
But great venue and obviously a hell of a get

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00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:01,880
to get not Loose the play a big late night

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01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:04,559
after show. I'm going to be heading into you know

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01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:07,159
the city for Outbreak on you know, the Friday night.

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Speaker 2: And I looked at this and I was like, do I.

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Speaker 1: Arrive into town and snag a ticket to go see

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the really late night not loose show? And then I

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01:00:13,639 --> 01:00:15,280
pulled it up and it said ends at four point

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01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:16,960
thirty and I was like, I'm gonna go to Best

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01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:22,360
considering there's a full there's like a there's like an

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01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,440
Outbreak run that some people have signed up to at

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01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,400
like eight or nine am the following day as well,

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01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,960
like some kind of sponsored run. It's like if you

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01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:31,360
if you're doing that and then have also snagged a

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you know, three am whatever, it might end.

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Speaker 2: Up not lose ticket. That is brutal.

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Speaker 1: There is a full day as obviously a festival to follow,

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but the cheeky, very late night mosh from Not Loose

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at the Albert Hall is going to be an event

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01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,880
to remember. Absolutely oath Breaker around so they have played

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01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,880
road Burn, they will be playing up Tangent. I believe

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they have now also played prepared the Ground Festival, which

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01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,639
is the one in Toronto. If you are really still

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01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,760
wanting to see them play their current raya run that

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01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,079
they have been doing and you're not at any of

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01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:05,840
those things I've just mentioned, there are five European headline

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01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,519
club shows that have been announced. The first like actual

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01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:12,000
headline your oath Breaker only shows that have been announce

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01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,840
since their return in Paris, Cologne, Berlin, Carlsruhe and Ghent,

1223
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:20,719
so all in you know the Germany, France, Belgium area

1224
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:22,440
known in the UK right now obviously I imagine that

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01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:25,400
Tangent is the UK exclusive there. But if you are

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01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,000
really you know, wanting to go out of your way

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01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,000
to go see Oathbreaker, those shows are happening in December.

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Portrayaler Guilt are supporting on that as well.

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Speaker 2: Here in the UK.

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Speaker 1: This is a pretty crazy announcement. There is a headline

1231
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,840
tour co headline tour. I guess perhaps one band is

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01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:42,119
this to supporting the other I'm not sure. Basically Soulflyer,

1233
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:46,119
nail Bomber touring together in the UK, which is going

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01:01:46,159 --> 01:01:49,920
to be happening in September in Southampton, London, Birmingham, Glasgow

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01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,840
and Manchester. Soulfly build you know at the top of that,

1236
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:55,760
But that does obviously that means double Max. That's a

1237
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:57,920
hell of a hell of a workload for the man.

1238
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:00,679
That's a big, big commitment to be doing it all,

1239
01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:03,119
all of that in one night. But nail Bomb they're

1240
01:02:03,159 --> 01:02:04,760
in the UK show they played since the like you know,

1241
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:08,159
Reactivation was the Bloodstock one last year. And then you

1242
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,400
get a cheeky sulfly set afterwards with you know, presumably

1243
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,519
maybe even some sepultury classics. As a selfly has was

1244
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:16,320
often done, this has potential to be a full on

1245
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,159
night of Max Mayhem.

1246
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah take me there sounds sick like sign me up?

1247
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. Sorry, No, you guys.

1248
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 3: Is in that category of man like Shane Henbury, where

1249
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,559
I'm like, I just always assume he's playing two sets

1250
01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:35,480
at night. He's just in a million bands.

1251
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,599
Speaker 2: It's back to back. There's no band building between them.

1252
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 3: Damn Warrior.

1253
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you want to see nail Bomb and

1254
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:46,159
some selfly action as well. That's coming around and over

1255
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,280
in the US, Whitechapel have announced a twentieth anniversary tour

1256
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,960
for their band. Overall, a big milestone for a band

1257
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,880
such as their's, you know, emerging in the twentieth twenty

1258
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,840
first century, and it's a very death Cory Bill dialing

1259
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,039
it back as well, with Chelsea Grinn, the Acasia Strain and.

1260
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: Nether Walker all coming together.

1261
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: So death coret warriors out there over in the US

1262
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,559
twentiethnniversary Whitechapel tour with those bands in tow very good

1263
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:14,199
over on the that's Patreon this week. We are in

1264
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,480
the coming days, like in a few days time from

1265
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:18,239
when you are currently hearing this, if you're listening to

1266
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:20,360
it on the day, we are going to be putting

1267
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,599
together and putting out the third part of our Corn

1268
01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:27,199
Band Special, where we are dialing into the late two

1269
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,840
thousand's and the very beginning of the twenty tens, which

1270
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:31,760
if you are up on your corn knowledge you know

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01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:36,079
that means a fascinating little run of albums. So I

1272
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:38,000
won't go too big on the cell here this time,

1273
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:39,920
but that is what we have got coming up in

1274
01:03:40,039 --> 01:03:42,559
the immediate future in a few days time. Corn Part

1275
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:47,360
three webwb wobwb we indeed right, let us end today's

1276
01:03:47,519 --> 01:03:50,480
show with the release roundup for the twelfth of June.

1277
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And I've got a lot of names written down here.

1278
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:55,599
It doesn't feel like there's too many, like really big names,

1279
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,840
but it's a very populated list. Like, so, whatever you're into,

1280
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,079
whatever corner of the tea world that you're coming from,

1281
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,079
there is likely a band here or release here that

1282
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:05,559
you might be interested in checking it out.

1283
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:07,599
Speaker 2: So let us go through these.

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01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: First of all, Sublime are back with their you know,

1285
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:14,639
their first record in Forever, also their final record the

1286
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:17,320
you know, current livelineup of Sublime. We had this announced

1287
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,679
a while ago. Their album Until the Sun Explodes the

1288
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:22,400
kind of I suppose you could treat this sort of

1289
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:27,440
a Sublime epitaph. I suppose that record is out. Sleeping

1290
01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:30,880
with Sirens have also got an album out, the post

1291
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,840
hardcore staples with that or for Worse from the late

1292
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,000
northeas into the twenty tens and ending in itself is

1293
01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:42,239
that Pussy Riot, the like political Russian punk band. They

1294
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,440
released a track featuring even sevenfold like a week or

1295
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,360
two ago and it was I'm gonna say not good,

1296
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,239
but it was out there. Their album is called c

1297
01:04:53,639 --> 01:04:57,199
y Ka. The album is out. Yes are back the

1298
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,440
seventies procker rock legends. This is like their twenty fourth

1299
01:05:01,559 --> 01:05:04,800
album or something. I'll shock you. I have not heard

1300
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,119
all twenty four, but if you are a Yes Warrior,

1301
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:13,639
I bet Elliott has Their album Aurora is out. Continuing

1302
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,239
on the high establishment names here, Tire is back, of course,

1303
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,599
the former Nightwish singer her album Free Song Noir. Will

1304
01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:23,400
it be as good as her last album, which was

1305
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,320
her metal Christmas album?

1306
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:28,519
Speaker 2: I cannot say right now, I sure hope.

1307
01:05:28,599 --> 01:05:31,119
Speaker 1: So Swiss Army Wife this is a band that I

1308
01:05:31,159 --> 01:05:33,320
had kind of forgotten about and forgotten existed. But we

1309
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,119
reviewed this band a couple of years ago. They were

1310
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:36,840
an emo band and so we had one of their

1311
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,559
albums on the show. So if you enjoyed that Swiss

1312
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:42,239
Army Wife record from when we spoke about that, I

1313
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,960
presume a follow up to that, called I Love You

1314
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:47,679
But I Hate It Here is out. Then we have

1315
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:51,840
Kennis their self titled record, one of the great current

1316
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:54,880
heavy metal, epic doom type bands. Looking forward to getting

1317
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,199
my teeth into that one. Joseph Thole, who is one

1318
01:05:58,239 --> 01:06:01,519
of the guitarists in Tribulation, has played in several like

1319
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:04,280
Swedish heavy metal bands. He's got a solo album of

1320
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:05,920
kind of you know, a mixture of all sorts of

1321
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,199
metal and rock and roll, the type stuff called it

1322
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,960
might be art then in the kind of techy like

1323
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:15,320
futuristic prog thrash like think Voivode, that kind of stuff.

1324
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,880
Nuclear Tomb are a band who have emerged in that

1325
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,360
kind of realm in recent years and their record Epoch

1326
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,239
Inhumane is Out. Genghis Tron the former cyber Grinders who

1327
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,960
these days have evolved in something maybe a little bit

1328
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,039
more meditative. They are back with Signal Fire in the

1329
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:32,039
post rock world. One of the biggest names in that

1330
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:35,239
world Mono, the Japanese post rock band. They have got

1331
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,880
their album called Snowdrop into kind of experimental noise, you know,

1332
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,559
sludge type territory. Big Brave have got in Grief or

1333
01:06:43,679 --> 01:06:45,920
in Hope. We move into the death metal world, and

1334
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,599
first of all there we've got flesh Crawl, one of

1335
01:06:48,639 --> 01:06:51,360
those longgoing veteran bands from the nineties. Flesh Crawl from

1336
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,039
Europe epitome of carnage, is their's into a more sort

1337
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:58,760
of like modern clean melo death like melodic death metal

1338
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,519
kind of realm a boank called Fires in the Distance

1339
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,920
and their album's Circadian promise, and then we go over

1340
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,679
to Japan for some Japanese death metal from Defiled and

1341
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,920
Altered State in the black Metal Realm. One of the

1342
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,119
big releases of the year I think for this genre

1343
01:07:14,599 --> 01:07:18,239
comes out today. It's from storm Keep, featuring Isaac from

1344
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,360
Blooding Cantation and Wayfarer and other such bands. The second

1345
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,159
full length storm Keep album called The Nocturns of Iswelin

1346
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,320
going to be very intrigued to see what the consensus

1347
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,599
on that one turns out. Being Veyamont's, the medieval epic

1348
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,480
French black metal band who we have spoken about again

1349
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,280
some years back on the show. They have got out

1350
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:41,280
an album called ascierg which is a full re recording

1351
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,000
of their debut album. Their debut album is the one

1352
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:45,679
of theirs that hasn't been available in streaming or whatever,

1353
01:07:45,719 --> 01:07:47,800
and for whatever reason they decided to revamp and maybe

1354
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,079
bring out some more elements of those compositions. But rerecording

1355
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:54,599
of the debut Veyamont's album is out in the German

1356
01:07:54,679 --> 01:07:57,719
black metal scene. There's a band called fion Esque with Eosa.

1357
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:00,920
Then into EPs we have called had the double of

1358
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,239
surprise EPs. We had dropped on us this week, so

1359
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:06,320
we had Iron Reagan with Demonetization, which is the crossover

1360
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,639
thrash band featuring members of Municipal Waste. And we had Devourments,

1361
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:13,400
the slam brutal death metal ogs with Pious Impiety. Finally

1362
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:16,159
on the EPs front, we have Still Remains. I've got

1363
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:18,520
another one out called spirit Breaker.

1364
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,399
Speaker 3: They played a at that show. They played a new song,

1365
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:24,119
then announced it as a new song, and then the

1366
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:26,880
most disgusting two five synth starters.

1367
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,319
Speaker 2: Yes we're back boys, Okay.

1368
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: I hope that you find that track on this thing.

1369
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,600
And then there is a split from the veteran Brazilian

1370
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,279
black metal band Mystifier and the newer UK black metal

1371
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:43,319
band craven Idol. But those two have got a split

1372
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:48,000
together called Demystification of the Fallen Soul. So pick whichever

1373
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:49,720
sings to you the most out of those and go

1374
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,399
and enjoy them this weekend. Cheers everybody for listening. I

1375
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,239
presume they won't be hearing this because they're all in

1376
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:57,640
a field right now. But anyone who's at download this weekend,

1377
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,319
I hope that you enjoy and have a good old time.

1378
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,880
We're not, but you know that is happening this weekend

1379
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:02,920
and everybody can go.

1380
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 2: Crazy at that one.

1381
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: We will be back next week with more of this action.

1382
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:09,920
As I said, We've got Corn Part three coming to

1383
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:11,760
the Patrum very soon, and then before the end of

1384
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,520
the month, we'll have more reviews bag as well to

1385
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,079
dive into what our favorite records from this month are.

1386
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:18,960
But cheers everybody for listening to this one. Let us

1387
01:09:19,039 --> 01:09:22,600
know what your thoughts are on the whole Bananagate scenario

1388
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,640
that we spent the first like half of this show

1389
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:26,079
talking about, because that is of course the story of

1390
01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:27,520
the week. But lot's a great new music as well,

1391
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,000
not to excite the announcements, so good stuff. Cheers everybody,

1392
01:09:30,039 --> 01:09:30,359
Bye bye,